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#rockbox log for 2013-04-21

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12:19:14pamauryhum, this is puzzling, I can correctly read the ATA storage of the ZEN V but bootloader usb mode always timeout
12:20:47bertrikmaybe something related to system setup, like interrupts, or tick tasks?
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12:41:25pamauryenumeration works, it's only bulk transfers which fail, not sure what happen really
12:51:20pamauryapparently the problem comes from usb, not ata :-/
12:53:33pamaurydamn, stmp36xx sdram controller cannot sustain high speed transfer, it needs to source from iram
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14:22:02pamauryhaha, it works ! I now have work ATA on imx233 :) It's damn slow in PIO mode but at least it works
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14:32:22pamauryunfortunately, the zenv seems to use a custom file system and not a FAT one !!
14:42:08gevaertsThe same one that the zen vision m uses?
14:42:19gevaertsOr is my memory confused?
14:43:45pamauryI think so, it's called "cfs"
14:44:24pamauryit's inside a partition with a custom mbr, called "KLBM" and the system files use the "minifs" filesystem :(
14:44:43pamauryI wonder what is the best approach: implement cfs ? erase the cfs and use fat instead
14:44:47pamaury?
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20:36:37pamaurygevaerts: are there targets where we reformat the fw "main" partition to FAT ? some ipods perhaps ?
20:36:49gevaertsNo
20:36:53gevaertsWell
20:36:58gevaerts*we* don't
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20:37:11gevaertsUsers have to do it on HFS ipods
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20:38:39gevaertsOf course, the OF doesn't mind much in that case
20:38:59bluebrotherusually itunes does that for the user
20:39:00pamauryit handles both ?
20:39:08gevaertsThe OF handles both, yes
20:39:36bluebrotherif you restore an ipod with itunes on a Mac you get hfs+. If you use itunes on Windows you get FAT
20:39:47pamauryhum, I really don't know what do to with this zenv, i'm pretty sure the OF doesn't handle FAT
20:40:03pamauryand I don't want to implement an undocumented file system in rockbox
20:40:08bluebrotherhow does the OF handle file transfers? MTP only?
20:40:34pamaurymtp only + option to present a file as ums but then the OF does nothing of it
20:41:26pamaurymaybe an option would be to add an extra partition and resize the fw partition, so the OF is still happy and we are too, but then OF and RB cannot share files
20:43:20bluebrotherbut how to resize the OF partition if the filesystem is unknown?
20:43:24bluebrotheror, undocumented?
20:44:16pamauryresize the "partition" and then ask the recovery mode to reformat its partition
20:44:23pamaurymaybe it can work
20:44:37pamaurysome people did some work on this FS but i'm not sure how complete it is
20:44:44bluebrotherhmm. But that means loosing all data
20:45:25pamauryin any case that will be the case or we have to handle this FS
20:45:30bluebrotherif that "file presented as UMS" is some kind of file containing a FAT partition and can be accessed easily that might also be an option
20:46:04pamaurythat means OF can break RB at any time
20:46:10bluebrothertrue
20:46:14pamaurywhen asked to tweak this magic file
20:46:26pamauryand also that we have to handle R/W to this file which is on undoc FS
20:46:29bluebrotherit also heavily depends if that file is actually easily accessible
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20:47:06bluebrotherhmm. If it is a file containing a FAT filesystem that shouldn't be a problem
20:47:17bluebrotherthough I'm suspecting that this isn't the case
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20:47:51pamauryit's just a file containg a FAT image but i'm don't know how complicated the FS is
20:49:16bluebrotherdo we need to handle the FS? If it's just a contiguous block on the disk we might be able to get around this
20:49:28pamauryi don't know, i'll need to check
20:49:49bluebrotherwhich was my original (though rather optimistic) thought
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21:05:23saratogapamaury: there was once a driver for the CFS (i think creative file system) mostly working
21:05:30saratogano idea if it still exists though
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21:08:27saratogaor at least i think so
21:08:31saratogasome mention of it here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,3320.msg131096.html#msg131096
21:14:14pamauryas far as I understand, it's just a C++ problem which can work on dump file, it nowhere near a "real" filesystem driver, and I don't know if it works
21:14:27pamaurynot to mention that our code is very fat centric
21:14:32saratogayeah
21:14:36saratogai think there was more at some point
21:14:38saratoganot through rockbox
21:14:57saratogasomeone else in the mid 2000s reverse engineered it long before we were interested in creative devices
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21:15:20saratogaif you really wanted to implement support for CFS, maybe that could help
21:15:26saratogabut then again thats a lot of work for little gain
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22:09:41wodzpamaury: I guess you saw this: https://gist.github.com/joemck/816115
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22:28:06pamaurywodz (logs): no, thanks, I really just run into the issue, didn't have time to search about it
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