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#rockbox log for 2013-05-01

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03:46:51madcat1990If you're cloning the Rockbox git for the first time, you're gonna have a bad time
03:48:02[Saint]If you say so...
03:48:45[Saint]"git clone git://git.rockbox.org/rockbox" isn;t exactly rocket science.
03:50:31[Saint]If you were to be more specific, someone could certainly help you.
03:52:14madcat1990noo, I'm more than able to clone it. I'm just shocked at the ammount of objects :P
03:52:25madcat1990and since I have a cable connection, I'm getting 14KB/s
03:52:40madcat1990You guys've been busy o-o
03:53:12[Saint]The source is tiny in comparison to some projects.
03:53:22[Saint]...go clone the Android tree. :)
03:55:06madcat1990... I Don't even want to imagine
03:56:17[Saint]For what reason was my post in the Playlist Frustration thread shit-canned?
03:57:20madcat1990link?
03:57:46[Saint]Here...I'll just link you to the thing that doesn't exist anymore...yep ;)
03:57:58madcat1990...
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04:00:21[Saint]Hmmm. It seems the thread was "rewound" a day or so, but I can't think of why. One post in particular from OP could've been canned, but I'm not sure what happened to warrant erasing a day or so of history.
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04:17:44madcat1990well, im leaving my VM cloning git
04:17:52madcat1990and im going to bed
04:17:55madcat1990cya!
04:17:59[Saint]It *still* hasn't finished?
04:18:02madcat1990nope
04:18:13madcat1990going at 26Kb/s
04:18:21[Saint]Do you have insanely slow disks?
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04:18:52madcat1990running this vm in a dedicated SSD
04:19:29[Saint]Since you /probably/ don;t care about any older revisions, it might make more sense for you to kill it and restart with −−depth 1
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04:20:50madcat1990awesome it is going faster
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04:22:03madcat199012% so far
04:24:02FLACvestHello, I was hoping someone would be kind enough to add me to the WikiUsersGroup ?
04:24:19[Saint]FLACvest: real name?
04:24:25FLACvestLeoHensleeIII
04:25:47[Saint]Done, welcome, Leo.
04:26:24FLACvestThank You, [Saint], I have found some spec sheets for the RK26xx that I wanted to add to the Wiki
04:27:26FLACvestthey're located at this address, if anyone is interested: http://mympxplayer.org/pafiledb/uploads/41df47adf97182330efa9b81571ec4d5.pdf
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04:35:21saratogaFLACvest: since that chip doesn't have a real CPU in it, I don't think people at this project are going to be very interested in it
04:36:02FLACvestsaratoga: i see... thanks though
04:36:37FLACvestI had been hunting for the RK Nano B chip datasheet, but haven't found that yet
04:37:19madcat1990isnt this rockchip one of those generic mp3 player chips?
04:37:39FLACvestyes it is
04:38:25madcat1990I remember finding tools (Back in the old days) to customize the GUI. Though doubt any work will be done on it.
04:39:43saratogathe wiki says the Nano B is a cortex M3
04:39:54saratogathose chips don't have DRAM support AFAIK, which would limit what could be done with one
04:42:07FLACvestah... well that's too bad. I was thinking it would be nice to have rockbox on the Hisound nova and teclast x30 type players
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04:44:43saratogaif you find a datasheet you can check, but i'd probably start with a chip that you knew was suitable and had a datasheet
04:45:10FLACvestsaratoga: sounds like a plan. thanks for the advice
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04:51:15madcat1990Hey Saratoga, if I wanted to make new graphics for rockbox, who should I talk to?
04:51:30saratogawhat kind of graphics?
04:52:56[Saint]Yes - what kind?
04:53:31[Saint]Assuming the default theme - you'd need to slide that past a LOT of people, and have it available to all devices.
04:53:43[Saint](which is no small task)
04:54:18madcat1990well, anything really. I wanna help with anything I can
04:54:28madcat1990if you all need new graphics for logos, themes, whatever
04:54:30madcat1990I can help
04:54:42[Saint]Well, when you figure out what you want to do - let us know.
04:54:57madcat1990Well, I wanna make a theme or two to start with. And an icon set
04:55:08saratogai would say the best thing to do is either mail the list, or else ask in this channel during the late afternoon or early evening in Europe when more people are awake
04:55:10[Saint]Well, you don;t have to talk to anyone to do that.
04:55:18saratogaof course you can work on anything you want and show it to us afterwards as well
04:55:28[Saint]You can make all the themes and icon sets you want.
04:55:49[Saint]They won;t enter the default image, but, you can make 'em...sure.
04:56:04madcat1990and ofc, use uisim to check them
04:56:55[Saint]As for the logo, I would think there would be some resistance to change there, for historical reasons.
04:57:18[Saint]For themes, it won;t enter the main binary - so, you can do what you want.
04:57:25madcat1990by logos I mean, the USB Logo on my ipod. not THE rockbox logo
04:57:30*[Saint] looks sternly at his ; key
04:58:07[Saint]What's wrong with the USB logo?
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04:58:27madcat1990I get really tired of themes really easy. :X
04:58:40madcat1990I actually admit to have looked around my .rockbox folder to see if it would be easy to change
04:59:03[Saint]looking around there won't tell you much at all really.
04:59:13madcat1990figured that much :P
04:59:34[Saint]The only images you'll find in there are for the default theme and a few for plugins.
04:59:48madcat1990indeed.
04:59:59[Saint]the others *are* present, of course, but you won't find them as nice, obvious image files.
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05:00:07madcat1990heh
05:00:38[Saint]To edit those, you'd need to do it prior to compilation.
05:00:59madcat1990I see. I'll stick to themes then
05:01:09[Saint]Eventually the USB screen will be themeable. Eventually.
05:01:18madcat1990Not a priority atm, I know
05:01:20[Saint]There's a few issues there though.
05:01:26madcat1990with usb?
05:01:48madcat1990I know. Usually the mac mini at work's usb stops responding if I use USB HID with my ipod
05:01:54madcat1990and I have to reboot it
05:03:03[Saint]That wasn't actually what I was referring to, but curiously there another bug that can take down a system when a Rockbox'ed DAP is present on a system during POST
05:03:08[Saint]that's a fun one.
05:03:33madcat1990I have another one for you then
05:03:36saratogathats not really a bug is it?
05:03:45saratogaisn't that just someone setting their BIOS to boot off of USB drives?
05:03:52madcat1990my home asus laptop refuses to finish POSTing if rockbox'ed ipod mini 2g is connected
05:04:12[Saint]saratoga: It happens here on my laptop and one of my desktops. Neither of which boot from USB.
05:04:14madcat1990saratoga Some bioses do look for boot in USB devices
05:04:23[Saint](well, they can, but it isn't set as a boot option on either)
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11:27:11lorenzo92i know it isn't a rb related thing, but anyway i try :D
11:27:27lorenzo92i'm having an issue with precompiler, i'm not really fond of it ^^
11:28:02lorenzo92i have something like this: #define TOUCH_UP 180, 660, 45, 125
11:28:24lorenzo92and then another define that computes some values: #define ADAPT_TO_VIEWPORT(cx, cy, rx, ry)
11:28:57lorenzo92I don't understand, well I actually do but i don't find the solution, why I cannot do ADAPT_TO_VIEWPORT(TOUCH_UP)
11:35:54lorenzo92finally I decided for the alternative of using a serious function :)
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11:41:43pixelmathe freeze of (especially older MacOSs) with USB HID enabled is nothing new and the option to disable it was included for this. Older versions of OSX (up to 10.4) weren't able to deal with this kind of USB devices, composite I believe they were called. So if he's running that, then it's not a Rockbox bug per se
11:42:24pixelma(about the discussion earlier)
11:43:13[Saint]pixelma: the OS is irrelevant in this case - is it not?
11:43:28[Saint]The instances I was talking about were pre-boot.
11:44:19[Saint]Ah - no, two seperate cases. Whoops.
11:45:05pixelmaI was referring to what madcat1990 said about his Mac mini
11:46:37pixelmajust that I remember helping debug this issue back in 2009 or 2010 when I had to use Macs at work and tried connecting my rockboxed c200 ;)
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17:40:16copperpamaury: does the 3-D effect on the Fuze+ do anything? I don't hear any difference.
17:40:26pamauryyes
17:40:37copper?
17:40:39pamaurybut i'm not sure it's implemented on trunk
17:40:41pamaury^^
17:40:54pamauryit is in my branch, which I should commit soon
17:41:02copperalso, http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=100657&hl=
17:41:31coppernothing conclusive
17:43:34copperexcept maybe the suggestion that the ratio between full scale and the hiss is > 96 dB but I'm not sure how that's possible
17:44:20copper(I don't think I understand it at all)
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18:28:00madcat1990pamaury : is treble/bass boot broken in iPod mini 2G? I remember there being a change in GIT to include them somewhere so they'd show up in the settings list, but changing them does nothing in the latest commit
18:28:26gevaertsmadcat1990: it's git, not GIT :)
18:28:47madcat1990*shrugs* my bad =/
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18:51:36bluebrotherhuh? Now I get a "no partition found" error on the mini2g. Connecting it to the PC clearly shows the partition to exist :o
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18:58:14pamaurymadcat1990: I don't know, I don't have an iPod mini 2g
18:58:44madcat1990bluebrother, did you plug your USB before Rockbox was done booting?
18:59:05bluebrothermadcat1990: sure, I had to use EDM to install Rockbox :)
18:59:29madcat1990then unplug it and plug it back in
18:59:33madcat1990make sure to disable HIDs as well
18:59:34madcat1990it SHOULD work
18:59:34copperElectronic Dance Music? What?
18:59:44madcat1990copper, Emergency
18:59:47madcat1990*Emergency Disk Mode
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19:00:01bluebrotheryes. Without Electronic Dance Music I cannot transfer files with a broken Rockbox installation :D
19:00:16bluebrothermadcat1990: I'm not in Rockbox USB mode.
19:00:33bluebrotherat least not at that point on that Ipod
19:00:46madcat1990Well, with your ipod, do you see 2 partitions?!
19:00:55madcat1990one that's roughly 32MB and another one with the rest of your stuff?
19:01:07bluebrotheryes.
19:01:30bluebrotherno need to help me with that, I've manually restored minis a few times :)
19:01:52bluebrothertrying to find more information about FS #12857 ...
19:01:53fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12857 3Data abort error on iPod Mini 2G (bugs, unconfirmed)
19:02:14madcat1990oh.
19:02:26madcat1990I was able to have it again while changing the contrast in my screen
19:02:29madcat1990it seems to happen randonly
19:02:37bluebrotherthis time I'm using a mini2g with HDD.
19:02:47madcat1990And it still does it?
19:03:13bluebrotherwhich also exhibits problems starting with said revision. First I got the crash, now I get "no partition found"
19:03:19bluebrotherwhich is somewhat better than a crash :)
19:03:47madcat1990o-o weird..
19:03:57madcat1990re-install bootloader? </stupid suggestion>
19:04:18bluebrotherno. Rockbox boots fine for older Rockbox versions
19:05:06madcat1990so that only happens when using a new build? not 3.13?
19:05:19bluebrotherfun! With 850491a I now get a "partition not found" instead of the crash I see on the CF-modded one
19:05:41bluebrotherso my attempt to fix the problem obviously didn't fix it at all :'-(
19:06:21bluebrotherand I still can rolo that version fine (when copied from a running Rockbox installation), but after a shutdown it doesn't boot up.
19:07:09*bluebrother will revert 850491a later
19:08:21bluebrotherbut I can clearly see the problem to show up starting with 95e23de. Since it isn't −−gc-sections (or at least only partially) there is something else that has to be different in the output
19:09:50madcat1990I'm just glad It's not just me
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19:10:02madcat1990I'd look like a fool if it were
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19:11:03bluebrotherbut why did that make the problem go away for me at first?
19:11:35bluebrotherit's good someone is (a) still using development versions and (b) reports problems ...
19:11:36madcat1990removing the −−gc-sections?
19:12:21bluebrotherI wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't been working on the id3 tag bug just around that time −− I rarely update my mini
19:12:24bluebrotheryes
19:12:40madcat1990Well, it sorta did with mine as well. But then I changed the contrast on my LCD and it happened again
19:13:09madcat1990now that I remember, the Disc icon on the top right corner was constantly lit, and i wasn't playing anything
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19:24:40mortalisbluebrother: This reminds me similar issue ('no partition found', data aborts) we had on rk27xx beacuse of buggy commit_discard_idcache().
19:33:00madcat1990mortalis, wasn't that commit 72ebcbf
19:33:01madcat1990?
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19:34:45mortalis72ebcbf was wrong fix, the right one was in b19b250de70cc4
19:36:56bluebrotherbut why is the problem triggered by moving fixedpoint.c to a lib?
19:39:05mortaliswell, if it's cache like with rk27xx problem could trigered even by inserting one nop somewhere.
19:42:39bluebrotherI would expect that to have shown earlier then though. mini2g has been stable for years.
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20:34:15madcat1990bluebrother^, and the mini2g is still stable in 3.13
20:34:29madcat1990so, whatever was done to "Break" it, can be fixed
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