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#rockbox log for 2013-05-06

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08:59:42wodzJdGordon, kugel: How (from the low level point of view) status bar is overlayed in main menu? Is it lcd_partial_update() periodicaly or something else?
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09:00:19kugelif s,lcd_partial_update,lcd_update_rect, then yes
09:00:21JdGordonits drawing in the action loop
09:00:42wodzkugel: yes thats what I mean
09:01:09wodzwhen do we perform full lcd update in main loop then?
09:01:44JdGordonideally, amost never
09:01:54wodzJdGordon: What does 'action loop' mean?
09:02:10wodzbutton events handling or something else
09:02:19JdGordonyes
09:02:58wodzSo every button press redraw statusbar in addition to selection bar redraw, right
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09:06:19kugelwodz: full updates don't usually (or shouldnt) happen. either the statusbar or the list widget is updated, both do partial updates
09:06:27kugelcould be that the wps does full updates
09:10:03JdGordonwodz: are you hunting down a bug? or?
09:14:26wodzI am trying to use dma transfers for partial updates on rk27xx. This introduces strange side effect that with status bar at the top every button press causes flicker of the first ~4 lines AFTER statusbar.
09:14:55kugelupdating 4 lines too much?
09:15:42wodzcould be but the fact that lcdif buffer is 4 lines big is suspicious coincidence
09:16:54kugelsounds to me like that the 4 lines get written with statusbar/random contents and then overwritten when the list widget is drawn (causing flicker)
09:20:44wodzyeah, adding height = height & ~3 in lcd_update_rect() fixes the problem but I am not quite sure it is the right one
09:21:30kugelno, you must only align up
09:21:43wodzaligning up causes flicker
09:22:41kugelyou have to update *at least* the specified area, only more is allowed
09:23:09kugel(other targets are aligning up just fine)
09:23:20wodzI know and that is why I don't understand the behavior
09:23:25kugelI guess you're sending the wrong data for the up-aligned case
09:24:00wodzhow?
09:24:02kugelit should only cause flicker when the data for the excessive lines is different from what the list widget later draws
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09:27:32kugelif the exessive lines correspond to the framebuffer then there should be no flicker
09:28:44wodzI have to double check boundary setup.
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09:33:38wodzhaha, found the bug
09:34:40wodzgram vertical end != height but (y + height - 1)
09:47:01Zagorbluebrother: would you mind removing the $(warning) line you added to rbspeex Makefile?
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10:47:23wodzmortalis: ma9 port looks good for me
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10:51:22quilirohi...does rockbox need blbs on some cases?
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10:51:39quiliros/blbs/blobs/
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11:04:09wodzquiliro: What do you mean by 'blobs'?
11:06:47quilirowodz: binary mixed in with the source because the hardware works only with binaries because it has not been reverse engineered
11:07:13quiliroi was looking for information about the the kernel too
11:07:34quiliro I supose it uses linux. is this true?
11:08:08wodzno, rockbox uses custom rtos kernel
11:08:59wodzWe generally don't use binary blobs but in a few cases we jump directly to Original Firmware to do the job
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11:11:58quilirowodz: thank you very much for your info....where can i read more about that?
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11:12:39quiliroi was looking but couldn't find that specifically
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11:19:00mortaliswodz: Monster Audio made rb port for newcomming MA8. The only difference from ma9 is DAC - pcm1792. https://docs.google.com/file/d/1QHzwllGHuuOldLFGjF9i_opJBmMQOjINBhbUNr9DI8O-rBOLtJdUV7Aw0BJm/edit?usp=sharing
11:20:09mortalisIn this case i think it would be better to rename ma9 port to ma (defines, filenames)
11:21:22mortaliseven audio-ma8.c the same as audio-ma9.c except function names.
11:22:05pamauryquiliro: what kind of information are you looking for ?
11:22:41wodzmortalis: maX maybe :-)
11:22:51quiliropamaury: rtos kernel in rockbox
11:22:59quiliroand binary blobs too
11:23:04quiliroexistent
11:23:33wodzquiliro: We don't use binary blobs. In a few cases we JUMP into OF
11:23:39wodzthats quite different approach
11:23:43pamaurywe don't use any binary blobs, how policy is to reverse engineer everything and still keep the ability to dual-boot so that the original firmware can still be used.
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11:24:02Zagorquiliro: kernel.c: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=firmware/kernel.c
11:24:20mortaliswodz: max is bit confusing, especially for defines, i.e. #ifdef MAX_PAD, #ifdef MAX
11:24:40pamauryabout the rtos, well I would start here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxArchitecture
11:24:51pamauryit might not be up-to-date
11:25:09wodzmortalis: I was joking
11:28:03pamauryquiliro: in a few words we are using a cooperative real-time OS, we don't use virtual memory (or when we use it is, it is only for static remapping and never change) and only make limited use of dynamic allocation; everything is run in supervisor mode and we only support "user" program via plugins (only one can be run at the same time)
11:28:09quiliroZagor: read the file...it didn't apear to be a binary blob :-D it looks as a source blob ;-)
11:28:53Zagorquiliro: of course. where did you get that we would use binary blobs?
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11:30:18quilirooh ...you mean the original firmware you keep is the binary blob
11:30:37Zagorquiliro: what "the binary blob"?
11:30:40quilironot any of the firmware you install
11:31:26Zagorok, I scrolled back to your original question now: No, we don't use binary drivers.
11:31:34quiliroZagor: binary blob=nonfree software that mixed with the source
11:32:46Zagorfor some targets we have for instance not had working USB mode yet. in those cases we simply tell the user to boot into the original firmware to do usb.
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11:34:49quilirowhat you have told me is very instructive.....so does rockbox interface with that binary firmware or does device have to reboot on the original firmaware to use nonfree?
11:35:05Zagorreboot
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11:37:37quiliroso rockbox would qualify as http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html :-)
11:37:53Zagoryes, definitely
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11:38:28quilirodo you think people at rockbox agree to abide by the guidelines?
11:38:51quilirowould you like me to propose to FSF?
11:39:03Zagorpropose what?
11:39:50quiliroto speak with rockbox to be included in the list of FSF promoted distros
11:39:54Zagorwe have been a fully free project for over ten years
11:40:23Zagorwell I don't think they are very interested in that. rockbox is not a distro, after all.
11:40:32quilirotrue
11:40:59wodzand we are not very much interested to be connected with FSF either probably
11:41:12quiliroI know they are interested in recommending all software that abides by those guidelines
11:41:21quilirooh
11:41:35quilirook...it was just an idea
11:41:37Zagorquiliro: they are very welcome to recommend us. I have actually personally chatted to RMS about it.
11:41:57quiliroZagor: what did he say about it?
11:42:53Zagorquiliro: not much. it was in the broader context about what constitutes free hardware, where we disagree.
11:43:34quilirothat is another matter
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11:44:19quiliroso , would like me to talk to them or would you like me not to?
11:44:32quiliroor you don't care
11:44:42quilirowhichever
11:44:47quiliro?
11:45:22Zagormore links and recommendations are always good, so sure go ahead
11:46:06quilirook
11:46:10ZagorI think what wodz meant with "not very much interested to be connected with FSF" is that we are not interested in being part of GNU. and frankly I don't think they are either :-)
11:46:29quiliroi agree on that
11:47:27quilirobut they are interested in promoting those that promote freedom in contrast with those that don't mind freedom but instant gain, with freedom or without it
11:48:17Zagorright, we are very much in the first categoriy
11:48:24quiliroso i think...by what you have expressed, they will want to promote your project :-)
11:49:00quilirocool
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11:49:31quiliro(i am an old time so i still use that word)
11:49:46quiliros/time/timer/
11:49:46Zagorhaha
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12:07:02quiliroI have asked someone at Trisquel to check if Rockbox would quilify al promotable by FSF
12:07:12quilirothey were glad to do it
12:07:28quilirowill get back to you with news
12:07:40quiliroit would be great
12:08:05quiliros/quilify/qualify/
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12:08:43quiliroso many devices in the world would be 100% free
12:09:07quilirois there a way to remove the original firmware?
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12:13:16wodzquiliro: usually yes
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12:16:28quilirowodz: that is even better!
12:17:28quilirothank you guys for doing thisI never knew and you have been here 10 years
12:17:32quiliro2001
12:17:43quiliro12 years
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12:27:03gevaertsquiliro: removing the original firmware depends on the device. On some of them, we patch the flashed original firmware to insert our bootloader, in which case it won't be easy to remove at all, in other cases there's a ROM bootloader that loads some file from disk, in which case it tends to be easy
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12:36:20JdGordonpamaury: I dont suppose you ever got around to fixing the filetree scanner patch did you?
12:38:32wodzmortalis: Do you know by any chance the type of v2 lcd controller in hifimans?
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12:39:14mortaliswodz: no idea
12:40:19wodzmortalis: lcd_set_gram_area() is not implemented for v2 which will be blocking factor for dma partial updates.
12:40:49wodzmortalis: BTW. I realized we don't have to set update window constraints. GRAM pointer should be enough.
12:42:34wodzmortalis: Registers 0x30-0x39 look like update window setup (and GRAM pointer probably) for v2. Do you have contact with hifiman owner with v2 lcd?
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12:46:53mortaliswodz: yes, i have contact
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12:49:46mortalisalso 0x20 seems somehow related to height
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12:56:34mortaliswodz: btw, in lcd_data_transform() LCD_DATABUS_WIDTH define should be used
12:58:20wodzmortalis: yes it should
12:58:29mortalisalso in iomux_lcd() we could replace runtime check with preprocessor check #if
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13:00:07wodzmortalis: true
13:04:11wodzmortalis: Is HX8340B used in v1?
13:04:19mortalisyes
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13:05:23wodzthats strange, DS I am just looking at doesn't match the code then
13:06:57mortaliseleborate
13:08:10wodzregisters dont match
13:08:41mortaliswhich one for example?
13:08:45wodzlike gram write is 0x2c according to DS but in code it is 0x22
13:09:01mortalishttp://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/HX8340-B_T__DS_preliminary_v01_080313.pdf
13:09:05mortalis0x22
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13:10:06wodzI am looking at http://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/HX8340-B_N__DS_preliminary_v01_071203.pdf
13:11:53wodzlovely HX8340BT != HX8340BN
13:12:24mortalisindeed
13:13:24pamauryJdGordon: completely forgot about that
13:13:40JdGordon:) I guessed
13:14:09pamaurycan you poke me again tonight about it, i migth have a look if you do ^^
13:14:32JdGordonprobably not :p I'll be going to bed in an hour ot two
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13:18:41pamauryok, i'll try to remember it
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13:27:33wodzmortalis: This one seems to match v2 lcd http://www.kentecdisplay.com/uploads/soft/Datasheet/ILI9225B_DS_V07.pdf
13:28:49mortaliswow, how did you find it?
13:29:26wodzgoogle dude
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13:31:02wodzhmm, some regs are missing but the interesting ones look sufficiently similar
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13:34:56pamaurylooking for a lcd datasheet ?
13:36:28wodzpamaury: I am trying to match hm60x lcd v2 rev eng code with datasheet
13:37:09pamaurydid you find ? where is the code ?
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13:38:18wodzfirmware/target/arm/rk27xx/lcd-hifiman.c
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13:38:36wodzili9225b looks similar but some regs are missing
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13:40:09pamaurywhat is the lcd size ?
13:40:18wodz220x176
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13:48:51lebelliumwodz , mortalis : I don't understand: Hifi ET make the Rockbox port (that's their official firmware for MA9?) in their own corner?
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13:49:35mortalisno, official firmare base on rockchip sdk
13:49:41mortalis*based
13:50:24lebelliumok, I just saw that http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_7c46c6800101ejp9.html
13:50:43lebelliumis that just for fun or do they plan to ship their player with dual boot?
13:51:48wodzlebellium: In current shape of rk27xx port this would be quite cumbersome
13:52:14mortalisi guess just for fun
13:52:58mortalisit was made by the request of RU distributor of MA9
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13:55:07lebelliumah ok, thanks
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14:00:18pamaurythat lcd seems very ilitek but none of the datasheet I have matches, neither himax, neither samsung
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14:02:47mortalispamaury: i think it's ilitek, maybe not ili9225b found by wodz, but something similar to it
14:03:47pamaurylcd manufacturers tend to copy each other, it looks like ilitek but some registers don't exist in the ilitek DS I have, maybe it's a noname copy
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14:04:14wodzmortalis: Anyway I think it is worth a try to implement partial updates for this type if you have guinea pig with proper device.
14:04:17pamauryI'm looking at sintronix, they are close to ilitek
14:05:18mortaliswodz: sure
14:07:36pamauryis that a TFT panel ?
14:07:52wodzI guess yes
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16:43:06FOADDoes a Rockbox Installer PPA exist? (For Ubuntu etc.)
16:47:40Zagornot an official, at least
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16:52:20FOADToo bad.
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17:35:50FOADThe installer from the site works flawlessly anyhow, thank you guys for the great work!
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19:29:37quilirogevaerts: thank you for the info...from which devices can legacy firmware be removed?
19:29:46quiliroiPods?
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19:33:39gevaertsquiliro: yes, see e.g. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPatcher#Advanced_Rockbox_install_methods_with_ipodpatcher (although it has to be said that the OF's emergency disk mode will remain). Also the ipod classic (but that's not on our "supported" list due to the installation being rather tricky and involving non-rockbox tools) where the entire nand flash is replaced
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19:34:24gevaertsAlso most (but not all) of the PP502x devices, such as the iriver H10, where the ROM bootloader looks for a file on disk to boot
19:34:39gevaertsA complete list would be a bit of work :)
19:36:35pamauryquiliro: in theory we could remove the OF on all the imx233 targets
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19:37:08pamaury(fuze+, many creative devices like the ZEN)
19:37:33gevaertsOne important reason not to remove the OF often is having some sort of way to recover the device if we have a bug or don't understand the hardware
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21:17:52C-StrongA while back, I Rockboxed my iPod Classic 160gig and it worked except for an error I tried addressing to freemyipod.org, who didn't know what the problem was. First off, the firmware would shut off due to a false battery alarm. After I wait a few minutes without charging it, I turn it on and the battery is back to normal. Is there a possible fix for this?
21:19:08gevaertsWhat revision are you running?
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21:20:02C-Strongr859 from freemyipod.org
21:20:24gevaertsWhat *rockbox* revision?
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21:24:09gevaertsRight. That's a year and a half old. I'd recommend upgrading, many stability issues have been fixed since then
21:24:44C-StrongI'll work on that then. Thanks very much for your time.
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21:25:28C-StrongWhere do I find it?
21:25:46gevaertsSee http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodClassicPort
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23:35:44bluebrotherFOAD: there's http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/getdeb_apps/quantal/apps/getdeb/rbutil
23:36:09bluebrotherbut that's unofficial. I've stumbled across it a while back when someone mentioned it in the forumw
23:36:17bluebrotherbut I have no idea who's creating that package
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