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#rockbox log for 2013-06-19

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01:22:47[Saint][19:01:43] <funman> Not sure if I heard of one person who could restore their player
01:23:11[Saint]funman: I have assisted the restore of a good half dozen, and two I have acquired personally.
01:23:30[Saint]It *does* help for some people, but we really need to do some heavy hand-holding.
01:23:46[Saint]saying "it doesn't help anyone" is quite far from true.
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08:34:31*[Saint] wonders if pamaury has the record for simultaneous commits
08:35:36[Saint]44-in-a-row over two days is pretty impressive.
08:36:20[Saint]It would've been near 90 over three days if gevaerts didn't sneak a few in.
08:36:57[Saint]s/3/6/
08:40:07JdGordonthat is easily beatable
08:40:18JdGordons/beatable/scriptable/
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08:49:48[Saint]I could probably do it just by fixing whitespace and spelling errors and pushing each as a seperate commit.
08:49:53[Saint]...but, that's no fun.
08:50:48[Saint]44 legit commits in a row was something I hadn't seen in...ever. At least, not that I can recall.
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12:08:13funman[Saint]: what had happened to these players
12:11:29[Saint]funman: there's no one root cause.
12:11:57[Saint]Not in my experience at least. I have acquired two "hard bricked" AMS players and recovered both.
12:13:11[Saint]Bertrik has also recovered a player in this fashion. As well as JdGordon IIRC.
12:13:37[Saint](+ the half dozen or so faceless individuals I have assisted in recovering devices through here)
12:14:36[Saint]In every instance I have poked my nose in on, as long as the individual managed to expose the "recovery partition", we at least got Rockbox to boot.
12:15:18[Saint]In some instances it seems that the OF can require additional magic the resides on said partition (apparently) to boot.
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13:14:12copper[Saint]: do some DAPs have some sort of failsafe that makes bricking them pretty much impossible?
13:14:31copperlike some kind of EEPROM or something
13:14:49[Saint]any iPod past the Nano2G should be "unbrickable".
13:15:01coppernice
13:15:13[Saint]Including the Nano2G itsel, but there's some fuckery involved.
13:15:28[Saint](opening the device and making a short)
13:15:45[Saint]errrr, not just any short, mind ;)
13:15:54[Saint]A very specific one. :)
13:16:40coppermeh
13:17:18[Saint]As long as the hardware is good, they should always be recoverable. But you could /probably/ deliberately brick one if you tried hard enough.
13:17:43copperit seems like "bricking" their device is a common fear when it comes to installing Rockbox
13:17:45[Saint]You would need to put quite some effort into it I imagine, though.
13:18:06copperand I can't really guarantee them myself that that's unlikely
13:18:32[Saint]for a stable port, the odds _should_ be highly in favor of not bricking the device.
13:18:52[Saint]for anything else, you're rolling dice, really. Unless its an iPod.
13:19:00copperwell I've heard it a lot for the iPod Classic
13:19:06copperwhich happens to be unstable
13:19:25copperwell, labeled "unstable"
13:19:36[Saint]unusable, rather.
13:19:48copperI stand corrected
13:19:57Torneyiou can't actually brick the classic, right?
13:20:00Torneit has ROM DFU, no?
13:20:02[Saint]Nope.
13:20:05[Saint]Yes.
13:20:31gevaertsThe ipods are hard to brick to unbrickable. The iaudios too I believe. The PP sansas can be bricked if the user does something stupid, the AMS sansas are a bit unpredictable (they can be bricked, but I don't think we know the details of what happens), the coldfire irivers are dangerous in the wrong hands
13:22:08copper"cold fire" sounds dangerous indeed
13:22:33gevaertsWell, you can *probably* write code to reflash the ipod EDM code, and that could well brick the things, but nobody's going to do that by accident
13:22:55Torneon the PP ipods, yeah, we could do that
13:22:57gevaertsYou'd need to reverse engineer quite a bit to be able to do it :)
13:23:00Tornewe have it written down somewhere how to do it
13:23:07Tornebut it's not implemented in our code ;)
13:38:39[Saint]Anything with DFU mode can do the whole "Hey, iTunes, I'm *totally* messed up - fix me" thing, though.
13:38:48[Saint]and wiping out EDM wouldn't wipe that out.
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13:41:38funmanwell what I wonder is how can you damage the part of the flash where OF + rockbox bootloader are stored
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15:54:36alienkidis there a (relatively recent ) precompiled apk for rockbox for android (320x480) that someone could give me a link to?
15:55:02gevaertsrasher.dk/rockbox/android/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/android/
15:55:51alienkidthanks
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21:10:32Ashen-Nu-Wurksup bitchez :P
21:12:05funmanAshen-Nu-Wurk: watch your language here, keep this for #rockbox-community please
21:12:31Mode"#rockbox +o funman" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
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21:21:15GodEaterfunman: you've got the hang of this IRC knife drawing now huh? :)
21:21:42funmanGodEater: ^_^
21:21:45Mode"#rockbox -o funman" by funman (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman)
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21:55:48Ashen-Nu-Wurksorry, stupid me didnt notice i had opened the wrong channel >.<
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22:26:17saratogaBagder, Zagor: could one of you upload this to the download server's test_files folder: http://web.mit.edu/mgg6/www/opus/
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23:15:19saratogathe fft sizes are so different in opus, that optimizations that help higher bitrates won't matter much for lower
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