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#rockbox log for 2013-07-05

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02:14:27megakacktusnoobie question here, but has anyone ever gotten "Cannot replace file: Read-Only Filesystem" errors when trying to update rockbox on a Sansa Fuze V2?
02:14:49megakacktusI compiled the latest git version and am trying to install by extracting the zip onto the player
02:22:12[Saint]That /could/ mean the filesystem is corrupt.
02:24:16megakacktusThat's what I thought it could be too
02:24:47megakacktusI have managed to corrupt it before :P
02:26:29megakacktuswould you recommend I reformat it through the official firmware?
02:27:51[Saint]If that is the easiest method for you, then, yes.
02:28:37megakacktusI shall attempt that, then.
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02:29:15[Saint]You don't necessarily _have_ to format it, you could attempt to recover the filesystem damage - but if you have all the media backed up elsewhere then you may as well just format it I guess.
02:34:51megakacktusyeah reformatting worked fine
02:35:34megakacktushow should I prevent corruption / repair corruption, for future reference?
02:37:46[Saint]The only thing you have any control over really, in reference to filesystem corruption, is making sure that you safely eject the disc after mounting it on a computer.
02:38:01[Saint]This ensures that all data gets written out to the disc.
02:38:29[Saint]That is a major cause of corruption, and it is pretty much the only thing you have any control over.
02:38:59megakacktusand to repair?
02:39:14megakacktusis it even possible?
02:40:52[Saint]Yes, it is certainly possible to do so, but not in every case. If you're running Windows, you would want to look at the 'chkdsk' program, on Linux, you would want 'fsck.vfat'.
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02:51:23megakacktusthanks for your help
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19:10:58SrRavenso,same price, sandisk clip or clip+ or zip
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19:21:36dunpealHi. When I listen to audiobooks, sometimes when trying to rewind, I press the "rewind" button too briefly, resulting in the player rewinding all the way back to the beginning of the book.
19:22:15dunpealIs there a way to protect against that? E.g. a setting that if I'm listening to an audiobook, it should only rewind continuously rather than jump all the way back like that.
19:23:24copperSrRaven: Zip has a nicer screen
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19:23:56SrRaventhanks
19:24:07copperyou could have found that out on your own
19:24:27SrRavenwell I was looking for personal opinions
19:24:30SrRavennot facts per se
19:25:00coppermy opinion is that the Clips are too damn small
19:25:17SrRaventhis channel is full of users who are audiophile enough to bother with flashing their mp3 players with 3rd party firmware. So I guess they have validated opinions
19:25:42SrRavenyeah, but its mostly a backup mp3 player and for running
19:26:10copperRockbox users aren't "audiophiles", they're "tech enthusiasts"
19:26:45SrRaventhink so?
19:26:59dunpealyeah, I don't think rockbox offers better sound quality?
19:27:39SrRavenbut enables stuff like flac on mp3 players taht normally dont have it
19:28:49dunpealsure, but an "audiophile" would mostly focus on the hardware quality
19:29:24SrRavensure
19:29:27dunpeali.e. they'd pay $500 for some fancy "hifi" player that would advertise as being better than a $30 Sansa
19:29:41dunpealmost folks here would opt for the $30 Sansa I believe
19:30:00EpicanisMake sure you get "Monster" headphone cables for that Sansa, though :-)
19:30:17SrRavenjust bad luck momenat the moment, my Cowon S9 headphone jack is broke, so I used my clip as emergency backup
19:30:27SrRavenand now that one has a fcked headphone jack as well
19:32:19SrRavenso I have to use my mobile...which obv is...meh
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19:34:37dunpealOK, I found "Prevent Track Skipping". Only problem is, I do want to skip tracks on music, but not with audiobooks. Any solution?
19:36:01copperSrRaven: for running, the Clips are a good choice indeed
19:36:17SrRavenyeh I used one for 3 or 4 years but now its a gonner
19:36:17copperif you don't put too many songs / albums on it
19:36:29SrRavennah,I atm only run for like 15-30 mins
19:36:37dunpealThe Clips are great, period.
19:36:57dunpealNot just for running, they support 64GB memory cards.
19:37:15copperdunpeal: and they suck for browsing large collections that would require a 64GB card
19:37:37dunpealcopper: depends... maybe those 64GBs are mostly audiobooks?
19:37:48dunpealyeah, the screen is small, but that never bothered me too much.
19:37:48SrRavenI can get a fuze+ for the same price as a clip+
19:37:52SrRaventhats just...fcked up
19:38:00dunpealthat's because fuze+ is terrible.
19:38:08SrRavenyeh so I heard
19:38:16dunpealespecially with stock hardware, I'm surprised they can even give these things away for free.
19:38:40dunpealI haven't touched my Fuze+ since I bought it at launch, until I learned of Rockbox.
19:38:48bertrikwodz did a fix for an sd card driver, wonder if a similar fix should be done for AMSv1 sd driver too
19:39:06SrRavenI just hope cowon those little fucks repair my mp3 player quicker this time
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19:39:09SrRaventook them 4 weeks last time
19:39:21dunpealAnyway, does anyone know of a way to limit "Prevent Track Skipping" to audiobooks?
19:39:25copperthe Fuze+ is great with Rockbox
19:39:34coppera lot better than the Clip+
19:39:54SrRavenbut you cant blindly skip tracks on the fuze+ can you
19:40:03copperno, not that I care
19:40:11SrRavenwell for running :)
19:40:44copperI was replying to <dunpeal> that's because fuze+ is terrible.
19:40:55SrRavenI already could throw up at the thought of having to use my mobile for running, touchscreen is the worst thing in the universe to mp3 players
19:41:01dunpealI mostly qualified it for stock hardware
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19:41:27copperyou mean stock firmware
19:41:36copperaka Original Firmware (OF)
19:41:37dunpealyup. Fuze+ is good if you don't need to be too mobile, and install Rockbox
19:42:06SrRavenWell most times I simply put all my music on the mp3 player and let it shuffle through all of it
19:42:14dunpealfor running, Clip+ is probably the best
19:42:15SrRavenbut the fuze+ only has some softcoded lock right?
19:46:30SrRavenmeh,ill just get a clip zip
19:46:50SrRavenit'll have to suffice still I get my Cowon back...which I'll just simply have to try and sell somehow,im sick of it
19:46:58SrRavenits my fifth time i have to send it in for repair
19:48:16copper17:42:16 UTC <SrRaven> but the fuze+ only has some softcoded lock right?
19:48:22copperyes but it only works during playback
19:48:26copper(unfortunately)
19:48:31SrRavenwell,when else would you need it `?
19:48:44copperwhen playback stops while your Fuze+ is still in your pocket
19:48:57SrRavenas in skip to next song ?
19:49:29copperas in, do all kinds of things that you don't want
19:49:33SrRavenhahaa
19:49:37SrRavenmy cowon s9 does that as well
19:49:47SrRaven"oh you shuffling all your tracks ? nah let me put it on your favourites"
19:49:48coppermy phone does that
19:50:02SrRavenClip Zip is ordered
19:50:14copperthough I have found a workaround: slip your phone / DAP in your pants pocket with the screen facing the exterior
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19:50:26SrRavenfeels weird though
19:50:28copperinstead of facing your thy
19:51:49SrRavenoh shit I didnt bother to check what colour it is....oh well red clip zip it is
19:51:55copperlol
19:52:13SrRavenmight actually be helpful, normally I cant find any of my electronics cause all the of it is fcking black and so is my interior
19:52:17copperyou can tell your friends you bought a limited series Red Cross Edition
19:52:23copperfor fighting AIDS in Africa
19:52:33SrRaveneh
19:52:43SrRavenfriends wont believe me i did anything nice
19:52:47copperhaha
19:52:48SrRavenim the guy that loves aids jokes
19:52:56copperwell
19:53:04copperthat would take the AIDS joke to a whole new level
19:53:20coppertell them you support "AIDS in Africa"
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19:54:41SrRavenmy humour is on a jimmy carr level
19:54:46SrRavencant be fucked up enough for me
19:55:18pixelmathat's not funny and also doesn't really belong here
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22:07:36lorenzo92i'm tracking down all the missing dependencies for the arm-app toolchain build, I think that some people were complaining about that...
22:08:29lorenzo92also tweaking the script would be nice, since restarting it after dependecy fail, needs manual directory cleanup
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22:23:31lorenzo92...error here, strange, it worked some long time ago ^^
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22:34:36saratogaAOSP has a neat bot that test merges patches into their tree and lets you know if they merge and if they build
22:34:48saratogai wonder how hard it would be to have something like that for our gerrit
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22:46:40saratogajhMikeS: i'll be back home this week, do you want any help testing the 48k playback engine patch or is it not yet ready for testing?
22:51:08gevaertssaratoga: that shouldn't be too hard. Maybe something to work on during devcon
22:51:56gevaertsWe can already build arbitrary revisions, so all we need is a bit of code to make the clients try the merge (and verify if it worked) and integration
22:52:26saratogasince google has a gerrit bot doing this, there may already be an open source solution to that
22:53:00gevaertsParts, probably. The integration with our build network is the fun part though
22:53:05saratogain theory we dont need to do a full build, just one or two devices that have good coverage (e.g. a coldfire grayscale and an ARM color device)
22:53:16gevaertsI'd do everything :)
22:53:20saratogaah ok :)
22:54:10gevaertsWe can afford to, and there are reasonably many cases where just a few targets aren't enough
22:55:26saratogaalright back to vacation :)
22:55:58gevaertsHave fun!
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