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#rockbox log for 2013-07-09

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08:52:08funmankugel: my fuzev2 seems to work even with http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1817&target=sansafuzev2
08:52:36kugeldid you reduce the usb stack size?
08:52:40funmannope
08:52:52kugelI said multiple times that this is required :)
08:52:53funmani just pulled last commit
08:53:06funmando you have a diff?
08:53:18kugelnot here at work
08:53:23funmani kinda remembered but i wanted to be sure ^_^
08:53:38kugelbut you should be able to manage that on your own though :p
08:54:01funmanhalving should work?
08:54:13funmanDEFAULT_STACK_SIZE / 2+ DUMP_BMP_LINESIZE
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08:54:42kugelI only reduced DUMP_BMP_LINESIZE to match the clip dimensions
08:54:49kugelclipzip
08:55:48funmanthat'd be DUMP_BMP_LINESIZE= 96 then
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08:56:51kugelI did s/LCD_WIDTH/96/
08:57:27funmanoh, rather 48
08:58:39funmandoes it occur 100% of the time?
08:58:58kugelno
08:59:16kugelit's easy to reproduce by doing a screendump but not easy otherwise
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09:01:55funmanbt only shows thread_tskov
09:04:13funmanusb_stack - sp == 280
09:04:55funmanhm i'm still getting it wrong
09:05:11funmanclip zip is 16bpp, so LINESIZE should be 192, not 48
09:05:36kugelstkov doesnt yield a useful backtrace, because the stkov is only ever detected in thread_switch()
09:05:42funmanyep
09:05:50kugelnot when it actually happens
09:06:42kugelbut arent you trying to repro the undef instruction?
09:06:51funmani don't know?
09:07:02funmani think i need clear instructions :)
09:07:02kugelthe root cause might be the same
09:07:54funmanusb_stack - sp = 28
09:08:29funmanon screendump, with DUMP_BMP_LINESIZE changed to 192 in usb.c
09:09:44funmanso screen_dump runs on usb thread
09:10:09kugelyes, that's why the line size is considered in the stack
09:10:09funmanmaybe usb stack is tightly calculated?
09:10:28funmanmaybe we should force an abort in screen_dump to have a correct bt
09:10:32kugelbut clipzip (and apparently fuzev1) show issues without performing screendump
09:10:49funmanfuzev1 doesn't have the same driver though
09:11:04kugelnever does fuzev2
09:11:21kugelor?
09:11:36funman#elif CONFIG_USBOTG == USBOTG_S3C6400X
09:11:36funmantarget/arm/usb-s3c6400x.c
09:12:10funman echo `git grep USBOTG_S3C6 firmware/export/config|cut -d: -f1|cut -d/ -f4`
09:12:10funmanipod6g.h ipodnano2g.h sansaclipplus.h sansaclipv2.h sansaclipzip.h sansafuzev2.h
09:12:15kugeloh, I looked at wrong
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09:18:32funman volatile int *i = (int*) 0x60000000;
09:18:32funman int z = *i;
09:18:38funman-> undef instruction at 3C ..
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09:59:01kugelfunman: huh?
09:59:15kugelthat should be a prefetch abort, not undef instruction
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11:57:50funmanmaybe it was caused by an earlier instruction
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12:33:46coppercan someone sum up why Rockbox downsamples everything to 16 bit / 44.1 kHz?
12:34:22copperso that I can give a proper answer when people ask about it on various boards
12:39:02jhMikeSAs far as 44.1kHz, that's no longer strictly true. For 16-bit, most of this stuff doesn't even perform better than 16-bits of depth anyway.
12:40:09copperwill 48kHz content play at 48kHz on supported hardware with a recent build?
12:40:31preglowi think you need to switch sample rate manually as of yet
12:40:37jhMikeSif you choose that option
12:41:08jhMikeSunder playback settings -> frequency. if most of your stuff is that and the hardware supports, use it
12:41:33copperI see
12:41:35preglowcopper: historically because that's the only sample rate most things had in common, and we didn't support switching yet
12:41:46preglowcopper: also, you'd be surprised how many things handle sample rates the same way
12:42:21preglowit's cleaner in almost all ways, but you ideally want to upsample to a higher rate, which we didn't do for obvious reasons
12:43:04copperwouldn't the next logical step be, to add an option to set playback at 24 bit on capable hardware?
12:43:40preglowmaybe, but i doubt you'd be able to notice a difference
12:44:02preglowusually only high-end dacs can manage to gain anything by using 24 bit output
12:44:08jhMikeSthat's alot more work anyway and doubles memory requirements
12:44:43jhMikeSyeah, most don't get anywhere 96dB S/N ratio
12:44:51preglownot to mention some of our dsp probably assumes less than 24 bit usable output
12:44:51jhMikeS*near
12:46:06*jhMikeS is pleased the build error this round is not his fault :p
12:46:25preglowis anyone in particular dealing with libmad these days?
12:47:30jhMikeSanyone here or someone somewhere?
12:50:10preglowah, here
12:50:23preglowthere's a bug in libmad on arm, and i'm just wondering if anyone noticed
12:50:51copperjhMikeS: unfortunately I haven't seen RMAA results for DAPs at 24 bit
12:51:14copperI think the Hifimans have 24 bit output (and that's likely what audiophiles would ask about)
12:51:29preglowcopper: all datasheets for codecs used in daps seem to indicate you're lucky if you get 15 bits
12:51:32preglow16 bits
12:51:51jhMikeSpreglow: I don't think so. What's the issue?
12:52:16jhMikeSAt least I saw noone say anything
12:52:17preglowjhMikeS: some subtle distortion issue, very noticable with bassy sounds
12:52:29preglowjhMikeS: you seem to get some bass image at around 5khz or so
12:52:49preglowvlc actually has the same issue
12:52:52preglowbut rockbox on h120 does not
12:54:03copperlooks like the chip in the iPod Classic support 24 bit, and Cirrus Logic claims 99dB of dynamic range
12:54:06copperhttp://cirrus.com/en/products/cs42l55.html
12:54:11coppersupports*
12:54:23preglowso 16.7 bits then :>
12:55:05preglowif that's all these is to gain, i'd rather look into improving dither and ns
12:56:02jhMikeScopper: as a guide 1 bit is about 6.02dB
12:56:20copperI know
12:56:49copperand I'd be surprised to see an actual 99dB DR value in a RMAA test
12:56:55*jhMikeS just wondered why 99 seems "impressive" or something :)
12:57:11jhMikeS:P
12:58:26preglowbut yeah, 24 bit output would be nice, but require a nice bit of work
12:59:05preglowmore memory usage, it would break dma on some daps
12:59:27jhMikeSAMS will only get you 18 anyway, so it's probably best left to DAPS that are even worth having it
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13:00:19copperactually the argument that I've come across is that audiophiles would rather not have to convert their high-res material before transfering to their DAP
13:00:29preglow?
13:00:30copperwhich is not a problem with Rockbox
13:00:31preglowdo they have to?
13:00:35preglowah, good :>
13:01:36preglowbut like i said, the dither could probably use some more work
13:01:42jhMikeS"derp, dammit, my 600 channel, 192kHz, 32-bit flac files won't decode on this bag of shit."
13:01:46preglowwhat we have is good enough, but we haven't worked too much on it
13:02:50preglowah, bag of shit
13:03:03copperpreglow: they don't care about dither, when the designer of an audiophile DAP says that his DAP just truncates 24 bit to 16 bit :)
13:03:07preglowtrue gold
13:03:40preglowhaha
13:04:00preglowif you care about good audio and don't care about dither, well, good luck
13:04:28copperI'm not aware of published, successful ABX logs for truncated 24 bit audio
13:05:21preglowshouldn't be too hard to cough up, but why anyone would truncate is beyond me
13:05:52preglow16 bits are enough that you usually don't hear the weird noise, but why risk it when it costs almost nothing most places
13:10:32copperI also wonder how a DAP could display a dynamic range value that's superior to 16 bits, with headphones, and when connected to a line-in, given that they output only 1V instead of the usual 2V for a line-out
13:11:38jhMikeSbecause the noise is half as loud? :)
13:11:53coppereverything's half as loud :)
13:12:02preglowvoltage range doesn't really matter
13:12:12preglowmore is good, but you can still squeeze the performance you want out of it
13:13:05coppera DAP that could output the full 2V would be really nice
13:14:24vsync_jhMikeS: come on! 192/32 is exaggerating! I only have 192/24 at best! ;D don't hate!
13:15:39jhMikeShaha
13:16:38copperah, nice, the FiiO X3 can output 1.7V
13:17:02vsync_but i'm not the kind of an audiophile who plays around with power supplies and audio cables to "improve sound quality"
13:18:16vsync_that's why i can't go to head-fi any longer
13:18:46jhMikeSif I have a crackly connection I ususually mess around with the cables
13:18:48vsync_because of the cluelessness of the place. But oh well. To each his own, or something like that
13:19:02preglowbtw, consumer level is -10 dBV, way less than 2 volts
13:19:20vsync_jhMikeS: well, the 3.5mm plug by design is total dogs**t
13:20:09vsync_it loosens over time, and also the ground part of the connector is fubared on delivery
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13:20:20preglowif you're measuring the headphone output the levels are more arbitrary, but 1.7 volts is probably able to clip some inputs
13:20:56vsync_i meant to say, the ground is fubar'd sometimes, on delivery
13:22:15vsync_and the morons at head-fi, it's not about 'cracking', but their delicate ears seem to pick up differences using $100 cables vs stock ones. Go figure
13:23:00vsync_I think the electrons running on different cables magically transform to more awesome tunes. Of course there are differences in conductivity but seriously...
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13:23:28copperpreglow: erm, where did I get the 2V figure from?
13:23:39jhMikeSand cable talk is definitely OT :)
13:24:14copperwikipedia says that translates into 0.447V peaks
13:24:37copperwhich would mean that an iPod is twice louder than the requirement??
13:24:41copperI'm confused.
13:25:00preglowcopper: most things are slightly louder
13:25:10preglowbut 2v is like 12 db louder
13:25:32preglowit's actually studio level
13:25:34jhMikeSlast thing I recall is the "volts" is P-P
13:25:43preglow0.447 is peak, not peak to peak
13:25:53preglow-10 dbv peak to peak is around 0.9 volts
13:26:18preglowbut peak to peak is a weird measure
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13:36:31copperpreglow: I don't understand. CD players and discrete DACs output 2V, so if you plug an iPod into an AUX port of a hi-fi or an amp or whatever, the iPod will be a lot quieter, which is a problem
13:37:06copperwhy would line-ins expect less than 1V, when everything else outputs 2V?
13:43:37preglow i don't really know what things output, but the consumer line level standard is supposed to be -10 dbv
13:43:47preglownominall
13:43:48preglowy
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13:44:07preglowi know for a fact this is exceeded quite a bit in studio equipment, maybe it is in consumer equipment as well
13:45:01copperthe test is simple
13:45:02preglowmy fireface outputs 13 dbu instead of 4 dbu, for instance
13:45:22copperlisten to a CD on your hi-fi, then play the same song with an iPod on the AUX input, without any additional gain
13:45:26copperthe iPod is a lot quieter
13:45:47preglowi don't doubt it
13:46:04preglowthe ipod doesn't have a line out anyway, so you're just getting what the headphones would be getting
13:46:07preglowno standard on that
13:46:33copper"The impedance is around 100 Ω, the voltage can reach 2 volts peak-to-peak with levels referenced to -10 dBV (300 mV) at 10 kΩ"
13:46:59copperpreglow: the iPod has a so-called Line Out Dock
13:47:16preglow10 kohm load or source impedance?
13:47:26copperwhich is effectively meant to be used as a line-out with compatible gear
13:47:39preglowoh well
13:47:45copperpreglow: I don't understand the sentence I quoted from wikipedia
13:47:48preglowline levels are all over the place and have always been
13:52:19coppermaybe we're confusing inputs that expect the so-called "consumer line level", i.e. expect battery-powered iPods, and line-ins that expect hi-fi gear such as standalone CD players
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13:52:58copperthe former would have some positive gain, and the latter would have none
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13:55:55copperNwAvGuy calls it "a Redbook standard 2 Vrms output"
13:56:48copper"Line outputs that follow CD Redbook standard puts out 2V typical."
13:57:24copper"Output was set at 2V maximum for CD, in Philips original Red Book standard. That means a -60dB signal outputs at 2mV and a -90dB signal at just 63µV – above noise but only just. All silver discs players nominally produce 2V maximum, although a tad more – around 2.6V – is quite common and some players double the figure through balanced XLR outputs."
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14:02:12preglowhaha, yeah, there you go
14:02:14preglowtons of standards
14:08:53copperso I guess that's where I got the 2V value from
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15:21:04kugelpreglow: I noticed heavy distortion on x86
15:24:30preglowi'm talking about quite subtle stuff
15:24:44preglowi can do a quick recording later and show you
15:25:24preglowthere's probably a precision bug some place in the subband code
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17:49:34saratogapreglow: I committed some asm for the subband stuff on ARM a while back.
17:49:40saratogahttp://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blobdiff;f=apps/codecs/libmad/synth_full_arm.S;h=8d312de645b005075c8952c115ebd74af658f6cc;hp=dec437f6660bbb52aa69eade696496bb9a09483b;hb=9929512682a999c440606cc9e4d4074a294ca616;hpb=90d77fb77ac3ad1f8ec24837fe2e0d340b4b5ba9
17:49:45saratogamaybe I screwed up?
17:50:04saratogai checked for errors, but if they were subtle enough or i chose the wrong test file i might not have noticed
17:51:19saratogacan you try with that patch reverted and see if its fixed for your file?
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18:23:54lorenzo92Here my WIP: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/506/
18:24:14lorenzo92it basically works, but as per comment, still to do some refactoring and robustness fixes
18:24:34lebelliumhehe
18:24:40saratogadoes this mean it can be integrated into rbutil?
18:24:42lorenzo92once done, I need to think about cramfs vs windows and then we are able to push our player in rbutils :D
18:24:58lorenzo92saratoga: exactly ;)
18:25:07saratoganice
18:25:25saratogaby the way, are the swedes on holiday? I'd like to get the front page updated and some files added to the download site but haven't seen them in a while
18:26:21copperisn't everyone on holiday?
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18:26:43coppervacation
18:26:53copperI guess those aren't synonyms
18:27:15saratogaaren't they in british english?
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18:33:09madcat1990Guys, can I assume the iMini2G isn't multi-core?
18:33:35gevaertssaratoga: G+ seems to have holiday photos from both of them, yes
18:33:42gevaertsmadcat1990: no, you can't
18:33:57gevaertsIt's dual core
18:34:38madcat1990REALLY?
18:36:02saratogayeah, 2x 80MHz ARM7TDMI
18:36:03madcat1990*updates rockbox*
18:36:05gevaertsThat doesn't mean it's fast though :)
18:38:46saratogathe mp3 decoder is even multithreaded :)
18:39:07coppernice
18:39:50saratogai think we might actually have the only multithreaded mp3 decoder in existence so no one bothers to multithread something that takes 35 MHz
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18:42:08coppersaratoga: does it mean more battery life than with any other codec?
18:42:22saratogait made it mroe power efficient then it was
18:42:31saratogai think its comparable to wma or vorbis though
18:42:36saratogasince those were faster to begin with
18:42:46saratogacheck CodecPerformanceComparison
18:42:55saratogai'm going to blind push something because its so simple
18:42:58saratogalets see if this works
18:43:45saratogaugh with my luck this guy won't be in the CREDITS file
18:44:34saratogaand of course hes not
18:44:36saratogadamn it
18:46:25saratogahuh and why is his name wrong in the git log, its right in gerrit
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18:48:00saratogaalso the build system didn't go??
18:49:00lorenzo92curiosity: i often see here "it takes XX MHz to run" hum...hum...what does this actually mean? It's like if I had a 70 mhz cpu using 35 mhz i'm using 50% of it?
18:51:04saratogayeah
18:51:16saratogaits actually X MHz to run in realtime on a given CPU
18:52:16saratogathe alternative is to express it a percent realtime, in your example that would be 200% realtime, but those units are misleading since its the actual cycles needed that is important
18:52:54saratogaso the difference between 200% and 400% seems equal or larger than the difference between 100% and 200%, when in fact the second is much bigger in terms of power consumption
18:53:19saratogawe used to say realtime actually, but i discouraged it for that reason
18:53:29lorenzo92saratoga: clear, indeed, thanks for explaining ;)
18:53:51saratogano problem
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18:55:47saratogaBertrik: can you commit your reverse stereo patch so people quit bitching about it?
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18:57:05saratogajhMikeS: can the WSPLL patch be committed? I don't have a coldfire device but if that guy is right it seems sensible
18:58:23madcat1990saratoga, to add a font to Rockbox, you guys need a BDF, right?
18:58:41saratogai don't know how the fonts work, but someone else probably does
18:59:19madcat1990a while ago I commited one. I was told to commit it compiled. Then, on gerrit, I was told I needed a BDF, but I don't want to go through the commiting process again
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19:07:39saratogayou mean committed a font to git?
19:07:54saratogado we even want fonts in git? i thought most of them are distributed with themes or in the font pack
19:08:07madcat1990I was told to do it through git ;3;
19:08:53saratogato what end?
19:11:12gevaertssaratoga: the font pack is generated from git
19:14:25saratogaah ok
19:15:25saratogaugh its amazing how bad virtual box is at existing on my computer
19:15:37saratogaeven with all updates disabled it still manages to lose the guest additions
19:16:22preglowsaratoga: hmm, certainly possible
19:18:21preglowsaratoga: vlc actually has the very same bug, and they probably use their own decoder these days
19:18:28preglowi have a feeling it's connected to a loss of precision
19:23:37saratogai don't think the ARM asm should lose precision compared to the c version
19:24:03saratogafurthermore, the filter bank uses 64 bit accumulators, sot he precision is actually very high
19:24:25saratogai rewrote bits of it using a mix of 16 and 32 bit registers, and it still sounded good
19:25:10saratogai think the libmad people designed it to have > 24 bit accuracy
19:25:23preglowoh, it's precise on libmad's part
19:25:35preglowtheir default code sounds just peachy, and as far as i can remember, h120 sounds nice
19:25:38saratogacan you try reverting my changes? i may simply have reverses two registers when i reorganized that filter bank
19:25:39preglowi'll do some tests again soon
19:25:45saratogareversed
19:25:54preglowsure, but not today
19:26:15preglowi'll have to do some recordings and get my build kit running again
19:26:20saratogastill i'm surprised, i spent a lot of time comparing the output of the code in c and arm writing the ARMv5 version, and they were always comparable
19:26:24preglowand i'm going away today
19:26:30saratogaif there was some audible difference i'm really surprised i didn't notice it
19:26:34preglowsaratoga: i suspect this bug is older than 2010
19:26:38preglowprobably my bug
19:26:54saratogayeah i but i even had a test driver that computed the values in c and then in arm asm
19:27:01saratogaany error should have shown up there
19:27:14saratogaunless its specific to some subset of files
19:27:18preglowdo we still have some disk writing capability, btw?
19:27:21saratogayes
19:27:25saratogatest codec can write to disk
19:27:27preglowneat, brb5
19:27:33saratogaand you can compile the codecs outside of rockbox onlinux
19:27:36bluebrother^what's the state of the real name policy these days?
19:27:52bluebrother^seeing commits getting merged that don't contain a full realname ...
19:27:53saratogawhich should give you bit identical output (assuming you enable the same asm paths)
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19:28:17saratogabluebrother^: his real name is in gerrit if you mean my commit
19:28:25saratogai don't know why git didn't pick it up
19:28:33bluebrother^we should either ask contributors to use the real name in the commit or drop that policy imo
19:28:59bluebrother^saratoga: because it's not in the "Author" field in the commit
19:29:19bluebrother^i.e. wrong git configuration
19:29:44saratogai didn't even know there was an author field distinct from the owner field
19:29:49saratogais there some way to check that from gerrit?
19:30:15saratogaoh i see its by the patch itself
19:30:15bluebrother^simply diff the "Commit Message" entry in the patch :)
19:30:35saratogahave i mentioned that i fucking hate gerrit and git
19:30:49bluebrother^maybe, haven't followed that :)
19:30:53madcat1990They're the reason I don't commit anymore... There's too many secure layers
19:31:03bluebrother^secure layers?
19:31:20bluebrother^you just configure your git client once and are good to go. Where's the problem?
19:31:31saratogathe problem i have with it is that i have no idea what will happen when i do anything
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19:31:49bluebrother^I never understood why people configure git differently than gerrit / fs / ...
19:32:01saratogai had no idea that the two lines in different places in the web interface which link to the same page will actually have completely different meanings to git
19:32:17madcat1990bluebrother^, I use git a lot at work, what I do is, git pull, add, commit, etc.. Rockbox's is way different for commiting something.
19:32:20bluebrother^the gerrit UI is a git confusing, yeah
19:32:25saratogaeverything about gerrit seems designed to maximize the odds of doing the wrong thing
19:33:15saratogagit at least is better designed, but its extreme complexity that enables it to handle all these things we never do with it makes it extraordinarily hard for anyone to use it who doesn't already have experience using it with other projects
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19:33:32bluebrother^there is enough other software around for which that applies as well (and possibly even to a greater extend)
19:34:07saratogafor our purposes its essentially just a big wall between the portion of our userbase which do not do linux or android professionally
19:34:33saratogaSVN was this to some extent, but at least it was very simple even if it had its limitations
19:34:54madcat1990I use linux at home. I don't consider myself a pro, but I know how to use it. Same thing with Android.I just don't like to go through a tutorial to commit something :S
19:35:01saratogaone could simply memorize svn commit, diff and up without having to form a detailed mental model of a series of processes they don't need or care about
19:35:30saratogagit on the other hand requires that one understand what git is doing at each and every step of the way
19:35:41saratogaif you do not its almost impossible to figure out what is right from a tutorial
19:36:04saratogasooner or later you will do something wrong, and be lost, or worse commit something that screws up our repo
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19:37:17AlexPmadcat1990: Do you have commit rights?
19:37:20coppergit bissect is pretty neat
19:37:24copperbisect
19:37:42madcat1990AlexP, Unfortunately no. There's not much I can code. what I commit, goes to gerrit, to get aproval
19:37:46AlexPAs if so, you can commit directly through git, no need to use gerrit
19:37:50AlexPRight
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19:37:58AlexPSo you could also e.g. send that to the mailing list
19:38:12AlexPIt is necessarily different to what you do at work, as you don't have rights to our repo
19:38:39AlexPIf you do have rights, it can be exactly the same as you said
19:39:13AlexPHaving said that, git is a million times harder than svn - with git I never have any idea what I'm doing, I just follow pre written lines or our wiki
19:41:06bluebrother^I don't see much of a difference between pushing to gerrit and pushing to master directly
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19:50:06madcat1990AlexP, I followed the GIT Wiki as well =/
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20:00:54preglowgit is annoying
20:01:02preglowi try sticking to mercurial which is at least slightly better
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20:01:57bluebrother^hmm. Seems the bot died a couple of days ago and nobody noticed?
20:03:14madcat1990Yay! New build!
20:04:48gevaertsbluebrother^: I did, but I forgot to complain
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20:20:51FuzzyNuts|LaptopHey, anyone able to help with a Sanza Fuze V2?
20:20:56FuzzyNuts|LaptopIt appears it may be dead
20:21:12FuzzyNuts|LaptopI've tried the normal steps for reset, and nothing
20:21:30FuzzyNuts|Laptopwhen I plug it into the USB port it shows an unrecognized filesystem (0 bytes)
20:28:39madcat1990I Read somewhere around here that it meant it was FUBAR
20:28:42madcat1990I Could be wrong though
20:29:56FuzzyNuts|LaptopBollocks
20:30:02saratogayeah that usually means the memory can't be read
20:30:04madcat1990again, I COULD be wrong
20:30:13saratogacan you get anything out of the screen?
20:30:23FuzzyNuts|Laptopnope
20:30:40madcat1990What didja do to it? o-o
20:30:41FuzzyNuts|Laptopat one point it eventually turned on, seemed to be loading BIOS then switched back off before showing the rockbox logo
20:31:08FuzzyNuts|LaptopI don't even know, I think I pulled the front off at one point but I wouldn't assume I shorted anything
20:31:10saratogai would try to power it on and then leave it until the battery dies and hope it comes back alive
20:31:28FuzzyNuts|Laptopit was working after I took the front off for a day or so so I don't think that's it
20:31:41FuzzyNuts|Laptopsaratoga: it doesnt turn on, I don't get the headphone crackle or anything
20:37:34FuzzyNuts|LaptopI'm going to assume it's bricked
20:40:03FuzzyNuts|Laptop:(
20:46:39FuzzyNuts|LaptopShould I just buy a new one or is there something I can try?
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20:47:54madcat1990I think at this point, you're better off buying a new one
20:47:57madcat1990Sorry m8
20:48:03FuzzyNuts|Laptopits cool
20:48:07FuzzyNuts|Laptopit only cost like £30
20:48:19FuzzyNuts|Laptopshame it only lasted about a year or 2
20:48:36madcat1990You get what you pay for?
20:48:39FuzzyNuts|Laptoptrue
20:48:53FuzzyNuts|Laptopseeing as I used it pretty much every dya
20:49:28FuzzyNuts|LaptopBUT IT'S £30 I COULDA SPENT ON WEED
20:50:27FuzzyNuts|Laptopwhat players do you guys use?
20:55:07madcat1990I use an iMini2G with a 32GB CF
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21:15:29srgHi guys. I have a lot of music in my collection that is formatted in 24-bit/96 kHz FLAC. I was wondering if rockbox could play these files? I'm not concerned about keeping the quality in the output - just concerned about having to transcode all the files to 16-bit/44.1kHz.
21:15:50srgI looked on the wiki, but it doesn't mention 16-bit vs 24-bit at all.
21:18:57saratogayeah we'll play just about anything
21:19:28srgOk, great! I have a Cowon PMP that plays 16-bit flac, but cannot play 24-bit flac. It's been driving me nuts.
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22:20:39bluebrother^g#496
22:20:48bluebrother^hmm? Doesn't work?
22:21:13madcat1990what's g#496?
22:21:26bluebrother^shortcut for a gerrit review
22:21:31bluebrother^and that one crashed the bot
22:21:41madcat1990oh my
22:21:53bluebrother^due to non-ASCII characters :)
22:22:34madcat1990That's the first thing I thought
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22:22:46madcat1990because of the '' in his name
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22:23:14madcat1990g#497
22:23:30madcat1990Wouldn't that normaly work?
22:23:34bluebrother^yes.
22:23:37bluebrother^but something is acting up
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22:23:47madcat1990Are you the one Managing the bot?
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22:24:37bluebrother^I'm running it, yes.
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22:26:18bluebrother^hmm. Editing the script on the wrong machine is unlikely to change things :)
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22:27:57bluebrother^ah, still crashing
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22:44:08fs-bluebotbluebrother: I just crashed
22:44:33bluebrother^ok, that's at least better than before :)
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22:46:55fs-bluebotbluebrother: I just crashed
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22:51:03lorenzo92i cannot really figure out how to mess with a cramfs in windows...the only alternative I can think of, is to do a manual patching of the file via some diffs...I don't know if 1) is easy to do 2) isn't too hacky
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22:52:10fs-bluebotbluebrother: I just crashed
22:52:10lorenzo92well there are mkcframs and cramfsck but there is still the problem of permissions (or are they handled via cygwin?)
22:52:12madcat1990fs-bluebot, are you ok, dude?
22:53:18bluebrother^madcat1990: he's ok. I've just taught him to notify me if something goes wrong (and had to give it a try :)
22:53:40bluebrother^hmm, maybe I should make that a query instead
22:53:56madcat1990let's see if it works, shall we
22:53:56madcat1990g#496
22:53:58fs-bluebotbluebrother: I just crashed
22:54:03bluebrother^works :)
22:54:08madcat1990I'm going to have some fun with this
22:54:46bluebrother^g#495
22:54:48fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #495 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/495 : 3[Manual] Document soft lock for FM by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/95/495/1)
22:54:53madcat1990g#497
22:54:54bluebrother^as expected.
22:54:55fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #497 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/497 : 3Add FM softlock to the fm recorder. by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/97/497/3)
22:55:10bluebrother^ok, there's something broken with non-ASCII characters.
22:55:21madcat1990Did you code this bot yourself?
22:55:28bluebrother^but at least I'll notice when this happens now
22:55:40bluebrother^partly. I've used some library for the IRC part
22:55:54madcat1990well, the IRC part is just getting the number
22:56:05bluebrother^it's mostly a bunch of callbacks to setup with that
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22:56:44bluebrother^hmm, but that doesn't shut it down gracefully
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23:00:33madcat1990I could make fun of it all I wanted, but this isn't the place
23:01:01bluebrother^oh, the bot's already around for about 2 years? Wow.
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23:03:20madcat1990give him 3 more and we can take him to primary school! :D
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