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#rockbox log for 2013-07-25

00:00:14gevaertsHow much are you recording?
00:01:27wipt_I don't very often, but I've used it in the past for lectures and conversations that may last a few hours
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00:05:20gevaertsRight, so probably not always planned well in advance
00:05:37gevaertsSpace may be an issue then, indeed
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01:25:41wipthow would I go about setting up "presets" of settings (volume, compressor, repeat)? I'm often switching between for car use, white noise, and headphones...
01:26:04[Saint]save a preset for each.
01:26:16[Saint]errr, configuration, rather.
01:26:56[Saint]you could then navigate to each and 'run' it by selecting it, or add it to the shortcuts menu.
01:27:33wipt[Saint]: where can I find that in the documentation?
01:27:35[Saint]the manual can help with the shortcuts menu and saving configuration files.
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02:12:17[Saint]no.
02:12:54[Saint]but you could add a specific path to the shortcuts menu.
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02:15:26wipt[Saint]: alright, thanks!
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06:15:09[Saint]Dramatically increased code size (almost 1/3 larger) for increased readability(?). Is it worth it?
06:15:10[Saint]http://pastebin.com/GH8zu5wN
06:15:24[Saint]JdGordon: ^?
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06:15:57*[Saint] spots a trivial error
06:16:35[Saint]ignore any syntax errors for now, is it any more readable like this than, say "%xd(Aa)%xd(Zz) etc?
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06:19:03JdGordonAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
06:19:28JdGordonget rid of the caps
06:19:56JdGordon%xd(BATTERY_ICON,1)|%xd(BATTERY_ICON,1)|%xd(BATTERY_ICON,2)|%xd(BATTERY_ICON,3)|%xd(BATTERY_ICON,4)|%xd(BATTERY_ICON,5)|%xd(BATTERY_ICON,6)|%xd(BATTERY_ICON,7)|%xd(BATTERY_ICON,8)|%xd(BATTER....
06:20:05JdGordon%xd(BATTERY_ICON, %bl)
06:21:47[Saint]can't.
06:22:25[Saint]or is there some way I can do "%xd(BATTERY_ICON, %bl<...but, don't use the last 2 icons in this strip>)"?
06:22:50[Saint]battery/charge icons share a bitmapstrip.
06:22:58[Saint]I guess I could split it out, though.
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06:24:22[Saint]oh, actually, no. I did split it out. derp.
06:24:29[Saint]ok, yes, I can do that, thanks.
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06:29:34[Saint]JdGordon: is there a way to do a similar thing, with one or more blank tuples at the beginning or end? Like, could I do something similar with "%?xx<|$xd(foo)|%xd(bar)|%xd(baz)>" or does it need all tuples to be filled?
06:32:19[Saint]aha, there is.
06:36:16JdGordonyes, there is a thrid param to skip
06:36:29JdGordonbut yeah, use lowercase names for ids
06:36:34JdGordonupper case is not readable
06:37:03[Saint]I think it clearly separates tags and variables and/or idents
06:37:11[Saint]but, sure, I can change it.
06:37:43JdGordonyou can use spaces and punctuation marks if you want
06:37:54JdGordonjust be careful if you use __<id>
06:38:10[Saint]why is that, what's special about __
06:38:13[Saint]?
06:39:15[Saint]ALso, I shouldn;t hit a max_length for idents, should I?
06:39:18JdGordoni think there is one or 2 special __id__'s
06:39:21[Saint](unless I go very OTT)
06:39:29JdGordonnope, they'll be dynamically sized
06:39:33JdGordongo freeking nuts!
06:39:49[Saint]does it trim enough to keep it unique if its larger than N?
06:40:17[Saint]or just not at all (which is cool)?
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06:53:05JdGordonthere is no N
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08:19:32DuperManso... sansa clip+ only ever showing as a 30mb raw partition; crack it open, short the contacts for service mode?
08:20:22DuperManalso, hi
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08:22:11[Saint]JdGordon: Holy balls...I'm impressed.
08:22:30JdGordonwith?
08:22:51[Saint]a 4096 digit random char idne "just works".
08:22:53[Saint]heh.
08:22:59[Saint]*ident
08:22:59JdGordondont do that :p
08:23:05JdGordonstrcmp() is going to suck
08:23:20JdGordonbut yes, like I said, there is no limits, its all dynamically alloced
08:23:25JdGordonlimits are bad mmmkay
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08:23:40[Saint]yes, I was just trying my luck since you said "there is no N"
08:23:58DuperMannot trolling is a limit
08:24:06[Saint]I guess the limit is <available_buffer>
08:24:45DuperManperhaps "don't crash bots and/or services cause it's kinda suck"?
08:24:50DuperManj/k
08:25:17DuperMantried injecting stuff in the ident string?:D
08:25:25[Saint]if you're talking to me, I'm not sure we're on the same page here.
08:25:35[Saint]I'm doing nothing of the sort.
08:27:15DuperManI am, we are not, I'm not wrong though :P
08:27:33[Saint]I was simply experimenting with the Rockbox skin engine, testing if "no limit for idents" actually meant "no limit" or "no realistic limit".
08:27:53[Saint]turns out it is indeed the former.
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08:28:02DuperManah. derp xD no limit, and it has true real random number generation
08:28:33DuperManwhat're idents for there? I know it's dumb but ident makes me think 'irc ident'
08:29:39[Saint]preloading skin elements. basically "%preload blah; %display blah" where blah would be the ident.
08:29:42DuperMan(surely hardware would pose a problem whence the skinning engine limits not)
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08:30:37DuperManah. thought so. so a skin can initiate buffer overflow type fun things, in theory
08:31:39DuperMan(not being a concern troll, just a troll troll:)
08:32:11[Saint]It can, yes, but only by accident - and no one really seems to know why.
08:32:35[Saint]Deliberately trying to steal all the available buffer with a skin is asking for trouble, even if it is possible.
08:32:59[Saint]But there's actually a very nice buffer management implementation in Rockbox, but it isn't without bugs.
08:33:35DuperManbecause Turing. I know, and I prefer my rickety ipod mini rockbox what uses it's computing resources well over an over cautious safe skinning engine
08:34:37DuperManby rickety I mean rockbox is kinda near real-time computing, which is hot
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08:36:43[Saint]A skin can steal as much of the available buffer as it wants to, in theory, but it can't ever claim more than this because the skin engine calculates the worst possible scenario loading for RAM usage if I remember correctly and won't load the skin if it tries to allocate more than is available.
08:37:19[Saint]Oh, actually, I think it used to just refuse to load if it tried to allocate more buffer than was possible, but now I think it loads as many elements as possible.
08:37:48[Saint]the skin/buffer system(s) are really nice.
08:38:06DuperManto calculate it must evaluate, leaving room for execution of stuff
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08:39:39DuperManI'm failing to troll with the "computers are inherently breachable" angle. is the Creative Nomad Jukebox Zen XTRA done yet?:D
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08:42:26[Saint]Not only is it not done, I don't believe it exists in any way, shape, or form.
08:43:48[Saint]Some trivial information is known about it. I'm not sure if any developer owns this device though.
08:43:51kugelhm, we have 2 md5 implementations in the tree
08:44:22[Saint]kugel: oh? I only knew of one.
08:44:27DuperManI know. still an epic dap though. I hate the ipod's cramped bassy dac and fubar'ed a h340
08:44:29DuperMan:(
08:44:57[Saint]well....rockbos does have a full parametric eq.
08:45:03[Saint]*rockbox
08:46:33DuperManwhich rocks, but is limited by hardware in the end of the day. I actually use a portable fiio dac/amp for the ipod. I feel dirty.
08:48:27DuperMan(I know, I know... I'm still silly, as the ipod's line out isn't anywhere near a pure digital signal - but the dock line out dongle shaves most of apple's attenuation off:)
08:49:17[Saint]JdGordon: what the shit is wrong with "%?bp<%?bc<%t(1.0)%xd(CHARGE_ANIMATION,1);%t(1.0)%xd(CHARGE_ANIMATION,2)|%xd(CHARGE_ANIMATION,3)>|%?bl<%xd(BATTERY_ICON,%bl>>"?
08:49:30[Saint]%?bp<...ATION,3)>|%?bl<%xd(BATTERY_ICON,%bl>>
08:49:30[Saint] ^ 'Expected list close' Here
08:49:47DuperMantried the android port the other day btw and DANG it's sweet. but everything we just discarded as inconsequential bites hard in that port's stability
08:49:49[Saint]or is checkwps just borked?
08:49:58*DuperMan shuts up some
08:50:17JdGordon[Saint]: mismatched <>'s
08:50:37JdGordonerr, maybe not
08:51:00JdGordonmissing )
08:51:08JdGordon)>>
08:51:10[Saint]ah. derp.
08:51:14[Saint]*facedesk*
08:52:45[Saint]nah...gah!
08:52:52[Saint]this time I know its trolling me:
08:52:58[Saint]%?ps<%xd(SHUFFLE_ICON)|%?mm<(REPEAT_ICON,%mm,-1)>>
08:53:12[Saint]%?ps<...FLE_ICON)|%?mm<(REPEAT_ICON,%mm,-1)>>
08:53:13[Saint] ^ 'Expected list close' Here
08:55:29JdGordonlooks fine
08:55:29[Saint]*facedesk*
08:55:31JdGordondunno
08:56:21vsync_DuperMan: what
08:56:40vsync_the line out doesn't bypass ipod's dac
08:59:20DuperManso it was all in my head? not cleaner whatsoever?><
08:59:48DuperMansuspected as much, was afraid of the now evident shame. thanks for harshing my placebo vsync_
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09:00:30vsync_DuperMan: well, i do drive my senn 25s out of a classic + e7 also
09:00:58vsync_and i actually prefer the sound through e7 better
09:01:15DuperManhehe so mini 1g + e17 is that bad, but ain't lonely
09:01:24DuperMan(akg q701)
09:01:38[Saint]the mini actually has very nice SQ.
09:01:50[Saint]as does the Classic.
09:02:00vsync_don't know really, guess i'm semi-audiophile, but i find the sound through ipod alone quite shallow
09:02:04[Saint]the Classic's output is wonderfully flat.
09:02:06DuperManthe only thing the amp is really good for is usb or optical input from the tablet :P
09:02:41vsync_i'm using mine at home also to drive my beyerdynamics, but thinking of getting another headphone amp just to sit on the desktop
09:02:55DuperManI like good audio. flat, high definition. tried a classic and a mini and both sound bassy and cramped
09:03:23DuperManwhat levels of output do you require?:P
09:03:26vsync_I actually use some bass gain on the e7 with classic
09:04:07DuperMandubstep. nuff said
09:04:31vsync_i listen to pretty much all kind of stuff
09:04:54DuperManthen why add bass? cans feel weak on it?
09:05:46vsync_senn 25s are by definition a bit darkish
09:05:56vsync_they just need that lil punch on the lower side
09:06:06vsync_even metal sounds way better with a little bass gain
09:06:13DuperManwerd
09:06:23vsync_but i'd say, this all depends on the cans you're driving
09:06:33vsync_what are you using
09:06:36DuperManmetal and eq play take me back to highschool field trips
09:06:41vsync_oh akg's
09:06:51DuperManImma using akg q701. rebranded k701s
09:07:11DuperManwhich I like, or wouldv'e liked had I known of the k701 beforehand:D
09:07:32vsync_I've tried fiddling with the rb eq to reproduce a similar sound without the e7 in between
09:07:49vsync_but it still sounds somewhat shallow, even though the cans are easy to drive
09:08:18vsync_sometimes i just can't be arsed to strap the e7 with me, the combo weighs awfully lot :(
09:08:49DuperManmine are a ton of bricks to drive, which isn't bad. when they work well at all they work great
09:09:01DuperMan64ohm imp. fwiw
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09:09:35vsync_senn 25-1's are 70 ohms, though high sensitivity
09:09:55vsync_and my beyer dt990's are 250 ohms, can't recall on their sensitivity
09:10:02DuperManit's a disease, going high end. I won't upgrade to anything without 96khz 24bit output :(
09:10:04vsync_e7 works well with both
09:10:42DuperManI bought the e17 because I was unaware of the wolfson dac/amp in my samsung note 2 phablet
09:10:48vsync_Not sure if my e07k goes up to 96/24
09:11:19DuperManshould. the 17 gets to 192khz/24 but only through optical iirc
09:11:28vsync_oh wait yeah it probably does
09:11:52DuperManusb maxes out at 96, which ... ahh... IT IS GOOD
09:11:54DuperManderp:)
09:12:06vsync_yh, 192/24 is overkill
09:12:41vsync_probably the audiophiles with their electrostatic stuff will hear... for sure
09:12:55DuperMandunno about overkill, I was sure 48khz and the whole 24bit "thing" were pointless - but clarity is clarity
09:13:25DuperManand hearing the crickets fart outside the studio in your favorite recordings is kinda nice
09:13:34vsync_...
09:13:40DuperMan(not really. you get to hear the limitations of the mastering:P)
09:14:11vsync_I really want to know, who can hear the difference between 96 and 192 khz sample freqs
09:14:36vsync_or maybe my ears have just gone through too much abuse then
09:14:56DuperManby the time you'll buy me enough equipment to see if I can I won't settle for the cheap lot:D
09:15:21vsync_I guess the beyer t1/a1 combo would do
09:15:30DuperMangoogling
09:15:35vsync_I know a guy who has them
09:15:51vsync_Not 100% sure about the amp name, think it was A1 though
09:16:08DuperManit was. youtube has a review - hooray
09:16:27vsync_seriously, to review something like headphones...
09:16:33DuperMangoogling that rig is hard, gotta avoid the headfi
09:16:33vsync_especially on the higher end
09:16:39vsync_is really pointless
09:17:08DuperManlet a machine take measures, yeah
09:17:10vsync_the only things you can objectively review is pmuch just the build quality
09:17:21vsync_and yeah, of course, that
09:17:44vsync_but with headphones it's pretty much subjective and you just have to try them out to see which one you prefer
09:18:01DuperManit's examplified nicely in the e7/e17 comparsion. they're the same rig produced different years
09:18:04DuperManthat's that
09:18:48DuperManbut marketing, therefore made up engeenirng - the worst of the made up sciences
09:19:23vsync_i just threw out t1/a1 in the air because i'd personally never pay €2k for a headphone system :(
09:19:44vsync_unless... i get lucky with the lottery
09:20:48DuperManaye. at least I grew out of my "I want phones encased in wood" phase
09:21:03DuperManlive and learn :)
09:22:00vsync_i would however like to try electrostatic phones at some point
09:22:04vsync_stax maybe
09:22:55vsync_but they're just so cumbersome
09:22:57DuperManwell derp. but so far from reach for me I forgot that sexy tech existed
09:23:19DuperManwell it's cinema/concert speakers on yer ears
09:27:02DuperManheh. shouldn't electrostatic phones pick up static radio signals sans proper shielding?
09:29:25DuperMan"Electrostatic headphones are powered by anything from 100 V to over 1 kV, and are on the user's head. The usual method of making this safe is to limit the possible fault current to a low and safe value with resistors." wikipedia is a nebulous mishmash of audio engineers and audiophiles
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09:41:36copperthe most you can gain (no pun intended) from the E07k and E17 is a 12dB gain for headphones that require more voltage/power than what the iPod can output
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09:41:53copperthey won't improve sound quality
09:44:49DuperMan^ spot on. they won't downgrade it though like pure software gain
09:44:53copperwrt to input gain, they're a big improvement over the E7, which only had 4dB of gain
09:45:14copperthe E7 was really a lackluster in that regard
09:45:39DuperManhmmm... I like the e17 coupled to my laptop/tablet best. but it bsod's win8
09:45:41DuperMan:P
09:46:13copperer
09:46:17copperI forgout output impedance
09:46:24copperforgot
09:46:57copperthe E07k and E17 can help with that as well, with a <1Ω output impedance, vs. 5.5Ω for the Classic (dunno about other iPods)
09:47:14copperthough 5.5Ω is not that high to begin with
09:49:39DuperManI just compared the 17 with the mini, I'm failing to justify the amp (beside the gain)
09:49:46DuperMansadfacebutnotreally
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11:49:17lebelliumJust noticed that themes for RaaA (android) don't show up the charge indicator even when the code is supposed to show it up. Is it a bug?
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11:59:45kugellebellium: in the WPS?
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12:05:17lebelliumkugel: WPS and SBS. And even Rockbox Infos doesn't recognize when the battery is charging
12:06:42lebelliumI tried on Galaxy S2 and a friend tried on ibasso DX100
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12:11:27kugeli know it doesnt show up in the wps, there's litte space (and I didnt consider it important)
12:11:52kugelit does show in the statusbar thorugh
12:12:06kugelwhat sbs are you talking about?
12:12:23kugel(the themes dont have an sbs but use the builtin statusbar)
12:14:25lebelliumI'm talking about dfkt's and my theme
12:14:31lebelliumwe have a SBS
12:14:55lebelliumI'm not sure we talk about the same thing :)
12:15:27lebelliumthe battery indicator shows up but RaaA doesn't recognize the charging state
12:15:44lebelliumso nothing to do with little space or not :)
12:23:55kugellebellium: Oh I thought you talked about the default themes
12:25:37kugelquite possible that charging state isnt implemented yet
12:25:41kugelcant remember for sure
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12:35:42lebelliumkugel: as I can't do it myself, is it easy and quick enough to implement so that a dev would agree to do it? :)
12:39:22kugeldont know off-hand
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14:20:11lebelliumAssuming the M3 is very close to X5/M5, is it a good idea to try to modify all files here http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=91ce4b2a60c4cbe8e3568f79c3a73572461ff40d to add the M3 dualboot? Assuming also I don't really know what I would be doing exactly :P
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14:55:00pixelmaI guess if it was that easy, he'd already done it
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14:56:10lebelliumhum to me it rather looked like the M3 is a very rare target nobody cares about and that it would have been "forgotten" when commiting this patch
14:57:48lebelliumalso, bluebrother^ said here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=34887.0 "As far as I can see from the code this also works for the M3."
14:58:02gevaertslebellium: could be, but amiconn did the m3 port, so...
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17:47:53amiconnImo dualboot is pretty low priority, unless the OF offers something rockbox does not support (yet)
17:48:07amiconnSuch as USB host (iriver H300, iAudio X5)
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17:50:20amiconnIirc there was something that prevents trivially porting M5/X5 dualboot to M3 (heh, it's been two years...)
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