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#rockbox log for 2013-08-05

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01:53:07lebelliumcould Rockbox support USB DAC?
01:53:46lebelliumon Hifiman HM602 for example
01:55:52lebelliumI read somewhere "[...]Moreover it has USB DAC. Can't wait for Rockbox to be finalized on this device".
01:56:33lebelliumI'm not sure there is a link between USB DAC support and stable port :)
01:58:09lebelliumoh
01:58:10lebelliumhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HifimanPort
01:58:15lebelliumUSB DAC (602/603/801) 100% Working
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06:02:49*[Saint] has sucessfully cleaned up the problem he had with the volume change animation blocking seeking with a disturbingly beautiful/simple conditional statement.
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12:11:13jlbiasinipamaury: ping
12:12:30pamauryjlbiasini: pong
12:13:04jlbiasiniI have a question, did you already send me back my old fuze+?
12:13:25jlbiasinithe one with the intern memory problem?
12:13:28pamauryno, but I can
12:13:55jlbiasinithat would be nice because I just lost/get stolen of my actual one
12:14:25pamauryoh that's sad, can you PM me your address ?
12:14:43jlbiasiniregarding the bootloader you told me you found a way to have it boot from the sd
12:15:12jlbiasinibut will i'll be able to upgrade it to the last version?
12:15:38jlbiasiniok I will pm you
12:16:29pamauryYes, i'll explain the procedure to you, actually it's pretty simple under linux, just proper partitioning of the card and a dd command
12:17:14pamauryUnfortunately I don't have a spare micro sd card otherwise I would have sent you a one with it
12:19:13jlbiasiniI will have to buy one anyway...
12:19:37jlbiasinithat's great
12:19:50jlbiasinithanks
12:20:27jlbiasinifor the moment I'm still travelling but I will have time to go on with my patches next week
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12:31:15mortalislebellium: Usb DAC works on Hifimans only because it's absolutelly hardware controlled on those DAPs. Rockbox itself doesn't have any USB DAC related code. Though AFAIK pamary did some work in this direction.
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12:45:35lebelliummortalis: oh ok interesting. But how does it work with Rockbox then?
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12:47:06lebelliumif there is no rockbox code, I wonder how it works
12:55:15pamauryI don't know how the hifiman works but that be achieved in many ways. The obvious one is a usb bridge which does mass storage + dac at the same time and thus all usb is hardware controlled. Or it could be a usb hud with one device being the dac and the other the chip itself (software controlled)
12:55:37pamauryI would need to see the inside of the hifiman to know exactly or know the chips inside
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13:12:00mortalislebellium: pamaury: There is chip cm108ah. And there are to usb ports on DAP, one for the storage another for usb DAC, connected to this chip. There is also tumbler on DAP, which switches source for I2S traffic (rk27xx/cm108ah)
13:13:18pamauryah, then it's not a mystery
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13:57:17[Saint]JdGordon: ping?
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14:00:27[Saint]Apparently I'm misremembering.
14:01:03[Saint]It seems there's no way to be able to switch foreground colors conditionally in a partial line?
14:02:24[Saint]As in, you can do "04foo 09bar 02baz01", on a single line, in the same viewport, can you?
14:02:38[Saint]*can't
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14:08:25JdGordon[Saint]: correct
14:08:30JdGordonumm
14:08:45JdGordonwell, using %vF (?) *might* work
14:08:48JdGordonbut probably not
14:09:54[Saint]its supposed to deal with an entire line, or until the next color tag, else the whole viewport - I seem to be misremembering.
14:10:29[Saint]I had a vague idea it was possible to do this, but I'll just split the sections out into viewports, no biggie.
14:10:45[Saint]I just wanted to check I wasn'
14:10:51[Saint]t missing something.
14:13:39JdGordonit might be possible, depends how the tag works
14:13:42JdGordonerrr... yeah no
14:13:49JdGordonthe whole line is drawn in one hit
14:13:50JdGordonso no
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18:27:53godzirraHi guys.
18:30:04godzirraI've googled a bit, but can't find anything about it. I have a Sansa Clip Zip, and ofr some reason I keep hearing what I can only describe as "blips". I'm not sure what I can do to fix it or if its a known problem.
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18:35:43coppergodzirra: that sounds like "CPU noise"
18:35:49copperwhen switching tracks?
18:35:49amayergodzirra: what version of rockbox are you running?
18:35:51copperpausing?
18:36:02godzirracopper: no, just in the middle of the song playing.
18:36:05godzirraamayer: One moment, let me check.
18:36:26godzirra3.13
18:37:27amayervery odd
18:38:47[Saint]godzirra: how often do these "blips" occur?
18:40:06godzirraAround every 30 seconds or so? Give or take.
18:40:35godzirraIts not a uniform time.
18:40:39[Saint]what type of files are you playing?
18:40:50godzirraone sec, switching servers.
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18:43:44godzirraSo yeah. Every few minutes.
18:43:58[Saint]what type of files are these?
18:44:01godzirraerr every 30ish seconds.
18:44:02godzirramp3.
18:44:29[Saint]Hum. So its probably not rebuffering.
18:45:00[Saint]and I doubt it to be cpu noise as the cpu basically never needs to boost in this thing.
18:45:07[Saint]it may be, though.
18:46:25godzirraIs there anything I can do to test what it may be or to affect it?
18:57:11pamaurythe clip+ is subject to storage noise I think, maybe the clip zip is too
18:58:21godzirraWell that's unfortunate. :/ Is there another cheap player that can actually be bought in this day and age that doesn't?
18:58:35godzirraAssuming there's nothing I can do about this one?
18:58:52Kohlrabirockboxable, you mean?
18:59:30godzirraOf course.
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19:02:23Kohlrabiwell, the list is here: http://www.rockbox.org/
19:02:49KohlrabiIME unstable ports are good enough
19:12:23pamauryTheSeven: here is an example of what a lua script for the patcher look like: pamaury/6157618">https://gist.github.com/pamaury/6157618
19:13:18godzirraIME unstable? Okay.
19:13:32godzirraThere's nothing I can do about the blips currently?
19:13:58pamaurybertrik knows a lot of clip zip, maybe he knows
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19:18:25godzirraI'll hold out for him and see if he knows hten.
19:18:29godzirraI appreciate your guys' help.
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19:45:22saratogawhat do these artifacts sound like?
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20:12:18SovonHalderCooper: Hi, if you are here,pls reply.
20:13:18SovonHalderI saw you modified the theme. do I need to update your older one in my iPod ?
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20:16:39copperthe name's copper
20:16:52copperneed to? no
20:17:31copper"UPDATE 2013/07/21: fixed the blinking line bug. UPDATE 2013/08/01: smaller icon set, more appropriate for the chosen font and size (reload the theme to take effect)."
20:17:34copperthat's it
20:17:41copperthe icons look better
20:17:55copperyou already got the blinking line bugfix
20:18:21copperthere's no reason you should not update
20:18:27copperunless you can't be bothered
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20:22:04godzirrasaratoga: I can't really describe it. Kind of like a blip/scratch?
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20:24:31SovonHalderOo...sorry I missed with your name..forgive me
20:25:12godzirraHuh?
20:25:33coppernp
20:25:40godzirrasaratoga: oh. you joined after I was talking about it, so were you talking about me?
20:25:41coppergodzirra: can you record it maybe?
20:25:43godzirraerr. to me?
20:25:49godzirracopper: How do I record? I can try.
20:25:58copperdo you have a sound card with a line-in?
20:26:03godzirraI do not. :/
20:26:15godzirraI was hoping there was a way to do it within the player.
20:26:28copperhmm, not that I know of
20:26:48copperdo you have a sound card at all?
20:26:55copperdo you have a PC or laptop?
20:27:01godzirraAt home. I guess I can plug it into the mic on my macbook and see if it works.
20:27:19copperI think the macbook has a line-in
20:27:37godzirraIt has a mic input. Not sure if that's the s ame as a line in.
20:28:14copperugh, the current macbook pro only has a headphone out
20:28:15coppergeez
20:28:32godzirraMine has mic in.
20:28:37godzirraI have last gen.
20:28:49copperanyway, you can try to record it with a mini-jack to mini-jack cable, and Audacity: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
20:29:21godzirraHa. Its using my mic on the macbook, not the line in.
20:29:46copperthe recording doesn't necessarily need to be perfect
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20:29:54copperjust good enough to get an idea of what you're hearing
20:32:45SovonHalderCopper: Is there any way you could consider adding a little play-pause indicating button beside the '-dB' that could indicate if songs are being played or is it paused? And a 'Next Song' indicator could be the ultimate touch. However the desicion rests entirely upto you, I'm just saying that I have my utmost faith in your work here, so whatever you choose to do, I'll have to use it.
20:32:48godzirraHrm. My 30 second clip has no blips in it. I can't seem to get it to blip again. :/
20:32:55godzirraI've got to run for a meeting, but I'll try again as soon as I get back.
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20:33:17copperSovonHalder: yeah the play/pause thing has been in the back of my head for a while
20:33:52copperSovonHalder: I'll see what I can do, I'll just drop you an email when I have something, ok?
20:34:26coppergodzirra: that's usually how it goes
20:34:42copperyou always get the bug when you don't want it, and when you want it, it's gone :D
20:34:45SovonHalderMay I ask the approximate time when I can expect the mail from you?
20:34:52copperlol
20:34:58copperwhat?
20:35:11copperthis isn't… like… an office
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20:36:12copperSovonHalder: I'll also tell you what [Saint] told me: learning how to code Rockbox themes isn't all that hard, you could easily modify whatever theme you like, for yourself
20:36:17SovonHalderI mean when do you think your work on that would be finalized.that's all..nothing heavy..I'm requesting..nothing else
20:36:33copperI can't give you an ETA
20:36:34coppersorry
20:36:45SovonHalderit's okay
20:37:29saratogaif the sound cuts out its probably some kind of problem with the file or the CPU being overloaded and skipping
20:37:52SovonHalderhow to code rockbox theme anyway /
20:37:55SovonHalder?
20:38:36copperSovonHalder: download a theme, check out the files, and read this: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS
20:39:03coppernot saying I'm not going to look into your suggestions, just sayin' it isn't hard to modify a theme exactly to your liking
20:39:21copperI had my own needs, so that's what I did
20:39:34coppermy themes are just that: themes that meet my own needs
20:39:39copperif other people like them, cool
20:44:37SovonHalderWell..thank you for the link.. It's like an entire Chinese dictionary to me..
20:46:56coppernah
20:47:01copperit really isn't that complicated
20:47:17SovonHalderis there no GUI based application ?
20:47:22copperlook at the files of a simple theme (mine is pretty simple), look up the codes on that wiki to see what they mean
20:47:35copperI'm afraid not.
20:54:36godzirracopper: Story of the life of a software developer.
20:56:06bluebrother^copper: not exactly: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ThemeEditor
20:56:15copper<godzirra> Well that's unfortunate. :/ Is there another cheap player that can actually be bought in this day and age that doesn't?
20:56:23bluebrother^though unfortunately it hasn't been updated in quite a while
20:56:26copperthere's the Fuze+, which I like very much, but most people don't.
20:56:49copperbluebrother^: you're telling me NOW? :D
20:56:53godzirraAh ha
20:56:53godzirragot one
20:57:13bluebrother^sure. Should I have done that earlier?
20:57:21copperjust messin' with you
20:57:50bluebrother^didn't take that too serious anyway :)
20:58:16bluebrother^but it would be nice if soneone wants to pick up maintaining the editor
20:58:29godzirraHrm. Where's a good place to uplaod it to?
20:58:52coppergodzirra: got no Google Drive or Dropbox?
20:59:01copperI thought everyone had that
20:59:09godzirranot on my work macbook :)
20:59:23godzirraaudiour.com ftw
20:59:52copperwhy did you ask then?
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21:00:01godzirraI asked before I googled. My mistake. :/
21:00:04copperlol
21:00:05godzirrahttp://audiour.com/playlist/4tb2wizp
21:00:07godzirra14 seconds in.
21:00:11bluebrother^not asking would have been too easy :)
21:00:13godzirraThat's what it sounds like.
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21:00:37coppersounds like a corrupted MP3
21:00:52godzirraIt doesn't happen at the same point every time though. Could a corrupted mp3 do that?
21:01:01copperor corrupted filesystem
21:01:13godzirrasame question as above. :)
21:01:18godzirrabut for filesystem.
21:01:56copperwell, the playback system sounds like it's getting bad data
21:01:57coppersomehow
21:02:09godzirracrap.
21:02:12copperI'll let someone else venture a guess as to why
21:02:13godzirraIt is happening at the same time.
21:02:17godzirraEvery time.
21:02:20godzirraSo you may be right.
21:02:23copperoh.
21:02:23godzirraI'll try re-copying it.
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21:02:32copperplay it on your mac
21:02:36coppersee if you get a glitch
21:02:44godzirraLet me plug it in and copy.
21:02:48godzirraCrap. I hope I have a micro sd cable.
21:03:16godzirraof course not.
21:03:18godzirralet me find someone with one
21:04:01copperhow did you copy the file in the first place?
21:05:45godzirraAt home :)
21:08:12godzirraFigures. Everyone's at lunch.
21:13:17saratogayeah that sounds like a bad frame in the mp3 file
21:14:04saratogaits usually a good idea to make clear when you hear an obviously digital artifact like that that its digital and not something like analog noise
21:14:15saratogaotherwise people will tend to assume its analog noise since you dind't mention it
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21:49:27coppersaratoga: how would normal people know the difference?
21:49:42saratogaa digital effect versus analog?
21:49:46copperyeah
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21:50:06saratogai think most people can tell the difference?
21:50:14copperI know the difference from years of hearing such stuff
21:50:37copperand spending days on audio forums and trying all kinds of shit
21:50:44saratogaeven just using digital TV compared to old analog
21:51:10copperI don't think "normal" people make the association
21:51:30copperI don't think normal people have any idea what's going on when they hear that
21:52:14copperwhich is probably why audiophools think USB cables make a difference :D
21:52:18saratoganormal people don't mod firmware either :)
21:53:02copperI kinda feel bad for calling Rockbox users "normal people" ;)
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21:54:05copperseriously though, that's the reason audiophools don't know what a digital glitch sounds like
21:54:34copperand why they believe digital cables made of silver improve high frequencies
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21:55:01copperI don't know what goes through their mind when they see and hear a digital TV glitch
21:55:33godzirraHa.
21:55:52godzirrasaratoga: I didn't know the difference...
21:56:01godzirraI'm not normal though either I guess.
21:56:32copperI'm not even sure people know that their TV feed is digital to begin with
21:56:39godzirraHeh.
21:56:41godzirraProbably not.
21:56:45godzirraMost people don't think about it.
21:56:48coppermaybe it's not that they don't know, more like they don't even think about it to begin with
21:56:51copper^^
21:57:07godzirraAgreed.
21:57:32copperand kids these days might not even know what "analog" means!
21:57:53copperthey're too young to have owned walkmen
21:58:30copperand the others probably think "analog" = "vinyl"
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21:58:44godzirraDid you ever read the article of the dad who took away his kids ipod and gave him a walkman?
21:58:50copperhaha, no
21:59:09coppersounds like a proper punishment
21:59:41godzirranot the one I was thjinking of, but interesting... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8117619.stm
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22:02:59godzirraOkay.
22:03:02godzirraSo its definitely in the mp3 file.
22:03:19godzirrait handles it better on the computer than it does on the sansa, but the blip is there.
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22:10:23godzirraSo yeah.
22:10:27godzirra100% bad mp3 file. My bad. :/
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22:23:59godzirraMan. This is so much better without digital artifacts.
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23:10:20pamauryTheSeven: debugging my patcher is not fun :(
23:10:54*TheSeven knows that feeling :P
23:11:11TheSevendebugging non-working USB stubs isn't terribly much more fun I guess
23:14:01pamauryyeah, it wasn't, but now it is even worse because I'm fighting bugs in a rather long toolchain: logic <- script <- lua < hwpatcher <- elf/sb/imx, error could be anywhere ^^
23:14:33TheSevenwell, do unit tests for each step :)
23:14:50TheSevenshould be fairly easy if you have a failing integration test case
23:14:58pamauryyeah but you see i've been debugging my sb read/writer for two years and still found a bug today ^^
23:15:22TheSevendon't ask me how many emCORE bugs I've found in that manner :)
23:15:39pamauryhopefully this one was easy: my sanity check caught the bug but now i'm facing another one which is much harder
23:15:42TheSeven"ah, THAT's why it has been crashing once in a blue moon for years..."
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23:15:59pamauryoh yeah I had this one, bad alignement somewhere
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23:37:14pamaurydamn, I swear that code was working one hour ago and it has not changed !
23:37:50bertrikone of those cases where something stops working when you change something and it's still not working when you change it back :)
23:39:08pamauryahhhhhhhh, /me go killing himself
23:39:37pamauryAs always the problem is between the chair and the keyboard
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