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#rockbox log for 2013-09-05

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01:23:01[Saint]Hmmmmmm...
01:23:19[Saint]Why did I have the idea that Rockbox's Database supported sort order tags?
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01:23:44[Saint]All I can find on the topic is a half-baked patch dropped in '11
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02:15:16soapLl was a big fan of that being the solution.
02:15:19wowanameohi
02:21:52scorche|shbanning? - i was considering it
02:23:18*[Saint] wonders if he missed something
02:24:09wowanamei think i did too
02:24:12wowanamesaint hi
02:26:41[Saint]soap: were you referring to Database sort order? I recall LLorean being very vocal about that at the time.
02:26:57wowanamedatabase is fucked
02:27:03wowanamefor ipod classic
02:27:08wowanamei mean it works but is glitchy
02:27:21[Saint]I assure you it most certainly is not.
02:27:27[Saint]Nor is it target specific.
02:27:44[Saint]The Database is only as good as your metadata.
02:27:54wowanamemy metadata is OCD tier
02:28:21[Saint]That means nothing to me.
02:28:24wowaname[Saint]» if i edit/change a theme or do some other odd thing, then aaccess the db, the ipod will crash
02:28:31wowanameso yes i do believe it is target specific
02:28:39wowanamei have an address code for one time it happened
02:28:46[Saint]No, it most certainly is not.
02:28:53[Saint]Regardless what you believe.
02:28:56wowanameohok
02:29:15[Saint]The Database code is the same for every target.
02:29:38wowanamewell somehow something is interfering with the database instruction
02:41:44[Saint]Were I to put on my speculation hat, I would say that that is almost certainly caused by erroneous memory handling.
02:41:52wowanameok
02:42:16[Saint]the theme engine and buflib don't seem to be friends.
02:42:28wowanamehas that been observed previously
02:43:11[Saint]Oh, yes, certainly.
02:43:32wowanamek
02:43:40[Saint]It is exceptionally hard to catch, but there's some work going on presently that could make it a whole lot easier.
02:48:02[Saint]I think the basic mechanics of it involve capturing the RAM state at the time of a crash, but...since the device may be in a varied state of functionality, this is somewhat difficult.
02:48:47[Saint]wodz and pamaury are working on this, but its way over my head.
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09:08:19SomeRandomGuyManHi there, I was on yesterday but no one seemed to be able to help me, here is a recap:
09:08:36SomeRandomGuyManI have some trouble with a rockboxed sansa clip, it was given to me with a "File not found" error on start-up, so I booted into original firmware and reinstalled rockbox with the installer. On reboot rockbox did work, but USB and battery indicator didn't work, so I went back to OF and decided to uninstall rockbox altogether to make a new, clean install. I formatted the flash from OF and reverted to factory settings and reb
09:08:48SomeRandomGuyManAfter reboot the player completely dead for some reason, can't boot to OF or rockbox(obviously). I didn't touch the bootloader. When I connected it to the PC after that I got a 0 byte partition, then I did a hard reset and now I'm seeing ram (few MB raw partition) instead of the flash when connected to a PC.
09:10:28SomeRandomGuyManI could do the pin short thing, but I don't want to open the thing up since it's not mine and that would damage the case. Later on I tried holding the select button when plugging it in to the PC and it detected a 1.9GB raw partition, but it become unreadable shortly after. I managed to format it thinking this was the user-accessible flash that for some reason got corrupted, but it had no effect.
09:11:44SomeRandomGuyManIs there any way to fix this thing without opening the case? Why did this happen in the first place?
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10:25:20Kensu-Desuhi, I just fixed rockbox and I have an ipod classic and trying to get themes on it. I tried the ipod video with the themes a couple of them and they all show jibberish image instead of working
10:25:42Kensu-Desuwhat I did was extracting all the themes to my ipod
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10:28:41copperKensu-Desu: did you install the latest build? http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip
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10:39:10Kensu-Desunope copper what is that
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10:39:25copperthat is the latest Rockbox build for the iPod Classic
10:39:33copperi.e. the one you should install
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10:40:40Kensu-Desummkay I'll try it
10:40:59Kensu-Desuactually I'm not sure if I have it already but I'll give it a shot anyhow
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10:47:43Kensu-Desustill not working properly
10:49:40copperKensu-Desu: go to System -> ROckbox Info
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10:49:51copperwhat does Version read?
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11:06:02Kensu-DesuVersion: f182a11-130902
11:06:08copperok, good
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11:06:34Kensu-Desuwell
11:06:38Kensu-Desuthe problem still remains
11:06:39Kensu-Desulol
11:06:44copperwhen you install a theme, unpack the archive at the root of the iPod, tell your unpacking software to overwrite files
11:07:06copperthen disconnect the iPod, select the new theme, turn the iPod off (long press Play) and turn it back on
11:07:21copperwhat theme did you try?
11:07:31Kensu-Desuretro, rockflow and 1 more
11:07:48Kensu-DesuI'll do the process all over again?
11:08:07Kensu-Desuxplorr is the lasto ne
11:08:17copperfollow the instructions I gave you
11:08:45Kensu-Desuye it's just that I've done that before already
11:08:48Kensu-Desubut I'll try it again
11:10:07*copper is confuzzled about the ratings that some of the themes get
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11:10:58copperer, did my theme get a 0 rating? http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1916&target=ipodvideo
11:11:28Kensu-Desuapparently xD
11:11:45Kensu-Desuand nio
11:11:48Kensu-Desuit's still not working copper
11:11:53copperthis one too I think http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1914&target=ipodvideo
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11:12:15copperKensu-Desu: can you take a picture of what you're seeing, with a smartphone or digital camera?
11:12:29coppersomeone really doesn't like my themes
11:13:12copperwth
11:13:35copperhttp://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1905&target=sansafuzeplus
11:13:38Kensu-Desubleh too much work xD
11:13:43Kensu-DesuI'll just go with the default I guess
11:14:18copperKensu-Desu: getting help takes work
11:14:28Kensu-Desutrue that
11:14:44Kensu-Desubut it's not that big of important
11:14:51Kensu-Desuthanks though copper!
11:15:05Kensu-DesuI might take a photo later
11:15:14Kensu-Desubut I have some errands to do if I have to find my cables and upload it and stuffs
11:15:19copperif you have a smartphone with dropbox or google drive installed, you can easily upload it
11:15:54Kensu-Desulet's see
11:15:58Kensu-DesuI do have a smartphone and gmail
11:16:04Kensu-Desudunno if I have gdrive
11:16:10copperuse the "share" option
11:16:25copperit will give you a list of apps that you can use to share the picture
11:17:14coppergaaah
11:17:19copperthe theme ratings are bullshit
11:17:56coppergrayfog gets only 10/10 ratings (5 of them), and my Googley theme gets a 0 rating?
11:17:56Kensu-Desuwhere do I see
11:17:58Kensu-Desugoogle drive
11:18:02coppermakes no sense
11:18:21copper(grayfog being my first theme)
11:18:58copper0 means, like, completely FUBAR and fucking ugly, or something
11:19:25copperand 10 means "omg this is the most spectacular UI I've ever seen"
11:19:30coppernone of which match reality
11:19:37coppermatches*
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11:22:14copperamayer: may I suggest that you replace ratings with "likes", à la Facebook?
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11:22:48*gevaerts strongly disagrees
11:23:42gevaertsIf you go that way, at least make it more useful and drop it altogether
11:24:15copperI'm not sure I understand what you mean?
11:24:52gevaerts"I hate this theme. It's ugly and it doesn't actually work properly. How do I register my dislike? I know! I'll *not* click on Like"
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11:25:16copperare "dislikes" useful?
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11:25:24Kensu-Desuhttp://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/c1es.jpg/
11:25:37gevaertsMaybe not, but without them likes are *entirely* meaningless
11:25:59copperwhy entirely
11:26:03coppermore likes = more popular
11:26:12copperKensu-Desu: that looks awfully broken
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11:26:34Kensu-Desuwell
11:26:39Kensu-DesuI told you
11:26:44Kensu-Desudunno how much that helps...
11:26:48gevaertscopper: "popular" isn't something we need to care about as far as I can see
11:26:48copperKensu-Desu: I suggest that you wipe the /.rockbox directory, re-unpack the latest build, don't touch the configuration and try loading the theme again
11:27:01wodzInteresting. It is basically fallback theme with the twist :-)
11:27:38coppergevaerts: well ok, "likes" and "dislikes" then, but the ratings are awfully misused right now
11:28:17coppergevaerts: or even, "like", "dislike", "doesn't work", but then we'd need to feedback system to figure out what "doesn't work" really mean
11:28:27coppers/to/some/
11:28:52copperand "doesn't work" could also be misleading
11:28:57Kensu-Desubtw
11:28:58copperi.e. user did something stupid
11:28:59Kensu-Desuwhere are the songs
11:29:03Kensu-Desusuppose to be placed?
11:29:06Kensu-Desuit doesn't matter anywhere?
11:29:09Kensu-Desuor has that been a facotr
11:29:15copperKensu-Desu: at the root of the iPod
11:29:21Kensu-Desuok then I have done nothing wrong
11:29:23Kensu-Desubleh
11:29:25copperpreferably with a decent directory structure
11:29:47gevaertsKensu-Desu: anywhere you like, except inside .rockbox
11:30:06gevaertsDoing that anyway won't really break anything as such, but it's still a bad idea for various reasons
11:30:35copperthis theme getting 4.5/5 makes me cringe: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1315&target=ipodvideo
11:30:44gevaertscopper: WE KNOW BY NOW!
11:30:52gevaertsStop whining
11:31:04coppera rating is completely arbitrary and doesn't convey useful information
11:31:14copperarbitrary/subjective
11:31:43Kensu-Desustill not working
11:31:44Kensu-Desubtw
11:32:29*gevaerts suspects someone else with a classic should try those same themes
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11:33:22Kensu-Desulike rockflow is half working
11:33:25Kensu-Desubut the rest are just jibberish
11:33:27copperKensu-Desu: what's the theme that you use on the smartphone picture?
11:33:34copperused
11:33:35Kensu-Desuthat's retro
11:33:41copperok lemme try it
11:34:18copperretrotape, right?
11:34:24Kensu-Desuyes
11:35:54copperdo you have the font pack installed?
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11:36:16copperhttp://download.rockbox.org/release/3.13/rockbox-fonts-3.13.zip
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11:38:32copperworks fine for me
11:42:30Kensu-Desuno I don't think so
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11:42:51Kensu-Desujust the ones that you told me that I should get
11:42:57Kensu-Desui.e the themes and the 6g bla bla
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11:43:19copperthe theme description clearly states that the font pack is required (though I don't know if that's the problem)
11:43:29Kensu-Desubtw is the ipod charging even though it doesn't give an image? when you have the ipod turned off
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11:45:34Kensu-Desuhey
11:45:37Kensu-Desuit's working now
11:45:38Kensu-Desuthanks lolz
11:45:46copperwhat did you do?
11:46:02Kensu-Desuget the font
11:46:04Kensu-Desuthat you told me to
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11:47:07copperread the theme description next time :)
11:47:33Kensu-Desu:D
11:47:41Kensu-Desuthanks for the help
11:47:42Kensu-Desuand the time
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12:02:26copperif we were to switch to "likes" and "dislikes", I also suggest there be new sorting parameters: likes to download count ratio, likes to dislikes ratio
12:04:59copperthough I still fail to see the usefulness of "dislikes"
12:05:59copperI believe "likes" are more federative than "dislikes"
12:07:15copperapparently, the large majority of ratings are very high ratings
12:08:19copperwoah, wtf
12:08:22copperhttp://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=10&target=ipodvideo
12:08:30copper26 votes, zero star?
12:08:44copperDownloaded 18422 times
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12:19:32pixelmaif you don't like the ratings why do you care? Also, I don't see a big difference if we switch to "likes" and "dislike" - it's just a rating with only 2 options. Number of "likes" and "dislikes" also won't be comparable as you don't know how many people actually looked at or tried the theme which also depends on the time the theme is available and what not.
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12:25:44copperpixelma: "like" and "dislike" convey more reasonable meaning
12:26:08copperand as for the other point, that where "like to download ratio" comes in
12:26:15copperthat's*
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12:31:57copperthe "likes to download ratio" will be a decimal number between 0 and 1, and the higher the ratio, the better
12:32:21copperi.e. number of "likes" per download
12:32:32copperthe absolute maximum being one like for every single download
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12:35:45gevaertsNo
12:35:53gevaertsYou don't have to download a theme to click on a button
12:36:01copperyou should
12:36:15copperhow else can you properly evaluate a theme?
12:36:37gevaertsI thought your complaint was that people don't do that anyway?
12:37:16copperno, my complaint was that, as it stands now, they rate themes "OMG this is the BESTEST THEME EVER", or "omg this is so fucking ugly and utterly broken"
12:37:55copperhaving to download a theme in order to be able to rate it is another matter
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12:42:57coppermeh, any download count or rating system is doomed to be skewed without user accounts
12:43:44copperI think the download count is the more reliable metric, provided that it gets fixed in order to filter out bots
12:44:14copperI have a really hard time accepting that a full THOUSAND people downloaded my Grayfog theme
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12:45:33copperand in order to (mostly) avoid counting the same people twice, using cookies shouldn't be too hard
12:45:49coppereven though it's obviously not 100% reliable
12:47:04copperor maybe logging IP + User Agent data server side
12:47:20copperor something to that effect
12:48:09copperright now, bots and web crawlers could easily inflate download counts tenfold
12:53:58copperwhich could be easily verified by analyzing the logs
12:56:15coppergrep the lines that feature ".zip" from themes.rockbox.org, grep -vE "…" to filter out bots and crawlers, and finally sort -u to remove dupes
12:56:26copperthen compare to the unfiltered line count in the logs
12:57:23copperer, it would need extracting the pertinent parts of the logs, i.e. IP address and User Agent
12:57:30copperfor sort -u to work properly
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17:00:21lebelliumlooks like I'll have to buy a NWZ-E370 \o/
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17:03:00copperhttp://arstechnica.com/business/2013/09/paypal-freezes-45000-of-mailpiles-crowdfunded-dollars/
17:03:08copperthat happened to foobar2000.org too
17:03:25copperI suggest you guys move away from PayPal if you're going to get any kind of significant money
17:04:04lebelliumThat's not the right chan for that copper
17:04:42copperrockbox money -> #rockbox, no?
17:05:23lebelliumoh ok
17:05:36copperRockbox displays a rather visible PayPal button on the homepage
17:06:52copperand Rockbox is exactly the kind of non-corporate project with a sizeable user base that would be targeted by PayPal
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17:42:10copperbeyond potential problems, I wouldn't advertise PayPal at all
17:42:37copperbut, that's a political question that I'm not qualified to answer
17:51:13KotHwhat's news about that? paypal has been known to freez OSS projects money for years
17:52:06KotHand of course freezed money never goes back to the sender, but stays on paypals accounts.. indefinetly
17:53:09coppernothing new, just pointing out that Rockbox is very vulnerable to PayPal fuckery
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17:53:25KotHeveryone is
17:53:49KotHone should not use paypal for anything that you cannot write of as a complete loss
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17:54:24copperexcept here the loss is that of donators
17:54:41KotHand that of a broken project
17:54:50copper?
17:55:00copperwhat's broken about Rockbox or Mailpile or Foobar2000
17:55:20KotHif you are foundraising, and you get a lot of money, you start ordering things. if suddenly your money disapears, you are very broke
17:55:23pamaurylebellium: why NWZ-E370 ?
17:55:44copperbroke != broken
17:55:47lebelliumpamaury: because you're working on it :)
17:55:51KotHcopper: sorry... typo
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17:56:22pamaurylebellium: it has nothing extraordinary, execpt I got it cheap
17:56:46lebelliumpamaury: you know what I'm collecting MP3 players, not all of them are good :)
17:56:50lebelliumthat*
17:57:02pamauryah right ^^
17:57:50lebelliumI'd love to see Rockbox on a non-Android Sony player so if you ever get Rockbox work on it, I'll be one of the first testers :P
17:58:21pamaurythis one will be pretty easy to port
17:58:52pamaurythere is nwz-e360 which is easy also but I don't have one currently
17:59:20lebelliumreally? I only remember unsucessful attemps on older A8x0
17:59:45lebelliumalthough A8x0 is based on Linux like YP-R0 IIRC
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18:01:16pamauryah yes, most of the other models are based on another soc but I basically broke the security if you can put them in UMS mode
18:01:42pamauryso now i'm trying to buy at least one model per "group" (group = set of players with same hardware)
18:02:10pamaurythere are all linux based so port shouldn't be too hard but I don't have the time right now, so all I can do is break the security and gather keys
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18:02:48lebelliumokay
18:02:59lebelliumbut you want a native port, not RaaA port like for R0?
18:03:41pamaurynot sure, native port could be possible but there are some drawbacks like very hard recovery in case of problem and the fact that RaaA is much easier to port, but with native you get more control
18:04:57venus_when might rockbox be OK to use on ipod 6th generation classic? I ruined my ipod and I'm happy to wait to have it run rockbox but I don't want to wait for months and months
18:05:27coppervenus_: it's ok to use right now
18:05:27pamauryvenus_: ask TheSeven
18:05:48pamauryand see freemyipod
18:05:53pamaury.org
18:05:58copperhttp://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip
18:05:59*venus_ thanks
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18:06:30venus_it says on the rockbox website that it's not ready to be used, so check that out an thanks for the websites. i'll be rockboxing all the way to a new dawn
18:08:04copper"unusable" is just a label that isn't meant to be taken literally
18:08:22copperlots of people use Rockbox on their iPod Classic
18:08:35copperincluding me
18:10:40lebelliumpamaury: oh I see it has the same SoC as Fuze+, that's why it would be easy?
18:14:25pamauryyes
18:16:21amayercopper: your blue theme looks very well with the tuxRadar album art (the blues match up nice and the drop shadow looks cool
18:17:10copperhopfully it works with any art
18:17:28copperthough I guess that's a tall order
18:18:04copperwhich is probably the reason music players use neutral colors like black, white and shades of gray
18:19:21amayercopper: it does work good with most of my art.
18:19:39amayerI go out of my way to make sure all my art is square tho
18:20:14copperme too
18:20:32copperhmmm
18:21:38copperis there any way to force the artwork into a square? Though I'm not sure that's desirable
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19:57:22jlbiasinipamaury: ping
19:58:54pamauryjlbiasini: pong
19:59:08pamaurydid kugel comment any of the patches ? can I push them ?
19:59:15jlbiasinipamaury: kugel approuved
19:59:18jlbiasiniyes
19:59:51pamauryok so I should push g#571 and g#569
19:59:54fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #571 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/571 : 3fuze+/keymaps: Implement the ACTION_STD_MENU by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/71/571/1)
19:59:56fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #569 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/569 : 3touch devices: Disable touch on softlock. by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/69/569/33)
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20:00:42jlbiasiniyes they are both ready and approuved
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20:02:21pamaurydone, let's see the errors ^^
20:02:36jlbiasiniohoh!! :D
20:05:02jlbiasiniI have a forum post to write...
20:06:08pamauryoh and I should fix the volume too
20:06:42jlbiasinihow long does it takes before it builds all version and tells about the errors?
20:06:47jlbiasinigood idea!
20:07:15pamaury5 min, but it triggered for the commit, so I guess we'll have to wait 10 minutes or so
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20:17:30copperah, good news, PayPal released the Mailpile funds
20:17:41copperthat was surprinsingly fast
20:18:08coppermaybe the fact that they were tied to crowdfunding website IndieGoGo had something to do with it
20:18:57jlbiasinipamaury: so? done? no errors? this cannot be true!! :D
20:21:20pamauryjlbiasini: don't dream, there are
20:21:35pamaurycowon d2 is missing touchscreen_enable_device()
20:21:40jlbiasiniwhere can we see them?
20:22:09pamaurymr500 too
20:22:13pamauryhttp://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi
20:22:45pamaurysdl app doesn't compile, we are calling touchscreen_enable_device() on sim, that's a mistake
20:23:37jlbiasiniI can fix the 2 first errors
20:23:55jlbiasiniI don't what should be done for the last
20:24:08pamauryi'll fix them, stub the first two and #ifdef for sim
20:25:11pamauryhum, It thought I protected the call to touchpad_enable_device() too in sim
20:27:07pamauryah wait, you define them in common/stubs.c, hum
20:27:09jlbiasiniare you sure cowon d2 is missing the touchscreen_enable_device() in the sim and not in the button- driver?
20:27:58pamaurythat's what the error say
20:28:01jlbiasiniyes because kugel told me to stubs those function unstead of havinthem protected
20:29:45jlbiasiniwhat I don't get is the problem with the mr500: it defines HAS_BUTTON_HOLD so it shouldn't have anything happening
20:30:02pamauryhaha, cowond2 has touchscreen and not button hold
20:30:17pamaury*and button hold
20:30:42pamauryand touchpad/touchscreen_enable is not #ifdef protected
20:31:33jlbiasinipamaury: I forgot the not has_button_hold condition at the end of SOURCES for loading drivers/touchpad.c
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20:33:30jlbiasiniPamaury the cowond2 is one I forgot
20:35:08pamaurycowond2 shouldn't have touchscreen_enable_device() because it has button hold
20:36:08pamauryfirst try at fixing this
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20:37:41jlbiasinipamaury: so you have to add condition in the touchscreen.c .h files to cut out what the patch adds when there is no button_hold
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20:42:34jlbiasinipamaury: I think that it won't be enough because you forgot to cut out the if at the beginning of int touchscreen_to_pixels(int x, int y, int *data)
20:42:41jlbiasiniin touchscreen.c
20:43:32pamauryit seems to work
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20:43:49pamauryexcept for sdl application
20:45:52jlbiasiniany idea why?
20:46:07pamauryno, compiling right now to see
20:46:33pamauryit seems touchscreen.c is compiled on sdlapp
20:47:31pamauryI see, this one is a bit strange: it doesn't use the stubs but it based on sdlapp
20:48:23jlbiasiniyes I just reread your code what I was saying isn't breaking it, just add a useless bool and if
20:48:35pamauryI think i'll just add a stub in app/button-application.c
20:49:07jlbiasiniis it broken on simulator or on normal buid?
20:50:02pamaurynormal build
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20:52:21jlbiasiniis it me or is the build full of warnings and errors anyway?
20:53:38jlbiasinioh it's me :D
20:57:01pamaurysome errors are here because a buildclient is faulty
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20:57:10pamaurybut the owner didn't make the change to fix itr
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20:57:30pamauryyeah :)
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20:59:37jlbiasinithat seems corrected now, isn't it?
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21:00:01pamauryyes
21:00:03jlbiasiniI've made a post on the forum to explain the modification
21:00:29jlbiasininow I will work on that setting stuff
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21:08:25lorenzo92kugel: I remind you g#528 and g#506 if you have time :) I don't know which order is better, I think I would start with safe-mode, or how do you prefer, after one is merged I can fix conflicts later
21:08:28fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #528 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/528 : 3Samsung YP-R0/YP-R1 Safe Mode improvement by Lorenzo Miori (changes/28/528/5)
21:08:30fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #506 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/506 : 3Firmware tools for Samsung YP-R0/YP-R1 (and possibly others) by Lorenzo Miori (changes/06/506/8)
21:10:07lorenzo92can also someone give a look at g#613, this is a trivial fix BUT it may generate paths having a double slash i.e. /mnt/media0// ; in the case of YP-R0 this is fine, but I cannot test other platforms
21:10:10fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #613 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/613 : 3screendump.c: use HOME_DIR instead of the hard-coded "" (root) by Lorenzo Miori (changes/13/613/1)
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21:12:52webguest99Will this work on samsung yp-z5?
21:13:52funmanKotH: if RAM upload works on the D20 you are already pretty far advanced
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21:13:53lorenzo92for yp-z5 of course not, but I'm working on its port (slowly, mainly it's *only* missing NAND support, that is practically all)
21:14:04lorenzo92webguest99: ^^
21:14:53lorenzo92don't get confused by the "and possibly others" :)
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21:18:15KotHfunman: ram upload? upload the firmware into ram?
21:18:49KotHfunman: ah.. yes
21:18:54funmanKotH: did you see saratoga's mail?
21:19:01KotHjust read it
21:19:52KotHfunman: do you know how i can find out any detailed data on the tcc7901?
21:20:02KotHfunman: i only found a half assed datasheet so far
21:20:13KotHfunman: it doesnt even contain a description of the booting procedure
21:20:23funmanabsolutely no idea
21:20:33funmanthough I guess there are plenty of TCC experts here :)
21:20:44funmancan you extract the code for the OF?
21:25:55KotHOF?
21:26:44funmanOriginal Firmware
21:26:54KotHthat's available from the cowon website
21:27:25KotHthough i have no idea how it gets loaded into the processor
21:29:12funmantry to find 2 different versions and diff them to find the code
21:29:46KotHthat wouldnt give much information
21:29:53KotHthere is something special about the bootloader
21:30:12KotHit checks the internal storage for the firmware files and updates if available
21:30:18funmanonce you found the reset vectors you can start disassembling
21:30:57*KotH wonders whether he should build a rig for the jtag connector
21:31:04KotHthat would give me most of the information for free
21:31:18KotHbut it's serious work :-(
21:31:19pamauryKotH: I might have the Tcc7901 datasheet
21:32:13KotHpamaury: how complete?
21:32:27pamauryV1.03, 608 pages
21:32:45KotHthat's a newer version of the one i have
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21:32:59*KotH has V0.01, 577 pages
21:33:06*KotH has V0.10, 577 pages
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21:33:28pamauryI have a V0 version tool, this on looks slightly more complete
21:33:28KotHpamaury: can you send that to me somehow?
21:34:21pamauryPM me your email address
21:36:17pamaurythe first step is probably to descramble the OF if you can
21:37:07funmanpamaury: which targets use this SoC ?
21:37:27pamaurycowond2 only I think
21:37:28KotHpamaury: hmm...
21:37:41funmanah i thought the D2 and D20 were different
21:37:51pamauryno I think there are very similar
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21:37:55KotHpamaury: where are the good old days, where you could just objdump files :)
21:38:08pamaurythat never existed I'm afraid ;)
21:38:19funman^_^
21:38:24KotHyes, the D2 and D20 seem very similar
21:38:36KotHupgraded processor, different nandflash, more ram
21:38:41KotHiirc same audio codec too
21:38:45pamauryKotH: did you look in our codebase if there are tools to deal with cowon firmwares ?
21:38:50funmanon the sansa it's dd + objdump -b binary i guess
21:38:53KotHpamaury: not yet
21:39:10KotHpamaury: i just decided yesterday to give it a try
21:39:23KotHpamaury: dont have much time though, work and uni take precendence over hobbies
21:39:24pamauryI see
21:39:38pamaurywe have tcctool to upload code to ram
21:40:24pamaurynothing else seems to match, so either the firmware uses a very simple format or nobody ever descrambled it or took care to commit the tools
21:40:34pamaurydo you have a link to the firmware ?
21:40:42KotHpamaury: thanks for the datasheet!
21:40:50KotHpamaury: it has a couple of sections more
21:40:56KotHpamaury: like the one for the boot procedure :)
21:41:16pamauryyes the boot section seems detailled enough
21:41:32KotHdo you know whether anyone has gotten openocd to work with the tcc cpus?
21:42:07pamauryno idea, I think someone did for the sansas, but no idea for tcc
21:42:38KotHhmm..
21:43:01KotHtelechips provides linux sources, so i guess someone is doing lowlevel stuff too with them
21:43:08KotHbut maybe telechip only
21:43:26KotHgetting openocd to work on a badly documented cpu is a real pain
21:44:27pamauryI'm downloading the firmware, I'll see if it looks somewhat similar or simple
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21:47:58KotHit's 3 files
21:48:31KotHone apears to be fonts, a second is probably resource data (judging from the file name), the third one has the same header as the d2 and the s9 have
21:49:42KotHoh.. and the firmware is probably not scrambled
21:49:52KotHat least there are too many strings in it
21:50:25KotHsome parts look either like function lists from libraries or debug data
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21:52:57TheSeven"unusable" as in "not fully usability optimized". we should really separate targets which are completely non-working from those that just don't have a manual or whatever ;)
21:53:16lorenzo92TheSeven: indeed!
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21:56:16pamauryKotH: there is some sort of header at the beginning
21:56:24pamaurymaybe a hash/md(
21:56:25pamaurymd5
21:56:36pamauryand some load addresses
21:57:05KotHpamaury: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TelechipsInfo#Firmware_format
21:57:40pamauryoh funny, we have a wiki but no tool
21:58:00KotHnobody wrote it yet :)
21:58:33pamauryit seems simple enough indeed to not use a tool
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22:02:46pamaurybut we have no rbutil support for it right ?
22:02:59KotHno idea
22:03:14KotHi didnt had a look at the tools rb provides yet
22:05:09kugelTheSeven: we have this separation: unstable vs unusable
22:05:36kugeland "completely non-working" shouldn't even be mentioned on the front page
22:05:44TheSevenwell, seems like the criteria don't map well to the real world then :)
22:08:55kugelno, that's not the primary intention which is to keep unwanted bug reports for non-ready targets
22:09:09kugelso yea, the picture might seem worse than it is
22:12:35pamaurymaybe laziness is also an explaination
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22:26:56pamauryKotH: is there a wiki page for the D20 ?
22:27:08KotHpamaury: i didnt find any
22:27:34pamaurycould you create one like this: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CreativeZENXFi3
22:27:48pamaurywith PCB photos if you can disassemble the player sufficiently enough
22:27:58celaTouch keypad lock mod confimed working on both Fuze+ and Zen x-fi2, many thanks to all involved.
22:28:23KotHpamaury: i will, photos are already done
22:28:28pamaurycool
22:29:07KotHi have not disassembleded and broken all kind of devices as a kid for nothing ;)
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23:24:07pamauryKotH: apparently we have a TCC tool in tools/telechip.c, not sure what it does, probably create a valid firmware from any binary file
23:30:53KotHpamaury: i will have a look at it. but unfortunately, i dont have much time this weekend
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23:39:29pamaurysure, that's just to avoid you the search since I stumbled on it
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23:39:53KotHdamn, you figured that out! ;)
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