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#rockbox log for 2013-09-24

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11:14:28pamaurybluebrother: can you have a look at the rbutil patches for cab ? I uploaded the version which can extract a whole CAB
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12:26:55pamauryfunny, the same firmware seems to be used for all these devices: NWZ-E340,E360,E440,E440K,S540,BB
12:41:41wodzIs the firmware super general or this devices are very closely related?
12:43:35pamauryI'm not sure. There obviously is some code that doesn't apply to the device but there is a lot of dead code too, so either the firmware is super general or the code is super general and some dead code ended up in the build
12:44:01pamauryin any case the devices must be very close
12:44:59pamauryanyway, now this is puzzling: the hold button on the nwz e360 doesn't do anything, I don't know how to detect it, that's...strange
12:48:33wodzmaybe it is read by pmu chip or something
12:49:39pamauryas far as I know there is no pmu, and buttons are already read by lradc so why another chip ? I found some references to a potential other i2c device but when scanning the bus it doesn't appear
12:50:01pamauryand this device has some link to "eu vol regulation", whatever that could mean
12:50:28wodzeuropean volume regulation?
12:50:51pamauryyeah but why on earth is the link between european volume regulation and a non-existing i2c device ?
12:51:35wodzeeprom maybe which contains the flag if the device is to be treated as UE or not :-)
12:52:10pamaurybut I cannot detect this magic eeprom when I scan the bug :-/ Plus it toggles a massive bunch of gpio, that's doesn't make any sense
12:52:16pamaury*bus
12:52:59pamauryAnd I don't see the use of a eeprom either because it seems the model it determined from a couple of pins and the emmc
12:53:14wodzor i2c digital potentiometer
12:53:33pamauryand the pcb shows no sign of such a device
12:54:16pamauryand as far as I know, it only writes to the i2c device, never reads
12:55:19pamauryI may have to patch the firmware to understand this mess
12:56:12wodzwhat is i2c id of this device?
12:57:26pamaury0xb0
12:57:37pamauryit writes two bytes always
12:58:17wodz0xb0 as 7bit address or 7bit + R/W bit?
12:58:37wodzI guess the latter
12:58:39pamaury7bit + R/W I think
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13:01:38pamaurymaybe the device only appear when some pins a high or low but still I don't get it
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13:03:15wodzcould be that some gpio gates power
13:03:30pamauryone explaination could be that some models like E440 have a WM port (similar to iPhone accessory I guess) which exposes a i2c port which tells the dock to limit volume ?!
13:05:41wodzthat would be super weird
13:07:41pamauryif I can get my hands on a e440 maybe everything will become clearer
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13:11:16wodzonly if you buy it with 48h per day powerpack :-)
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13:43:26pamauryor maybe a i2c speaker amplifier ? the s540 has speakers
13:43:38lebelliumyes my S540 has speakers
13:43:40pamaurythat would be strange though because the imx233 already has a builtin amplifier
13:43:41lebelliumand WM port for line out
13:44:15pamaurylebellium: does nwz-bb ring a bell to you ? I'm not aware of such a device
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14:00:16lebelliumpamaury: I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist :)
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14:01:10pamaurymust be a codename then
14:11:38pamaurylebellium: do you tear down players or never ?
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14:41:28lebelliumpamaury: you mean disassemble or destroy? :)
14:42:02pamaurydisassemble
14:43:12lebelliumI sometimes do, but only if the player is already in used/bad condition.
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15:00:29lebelliumpamaury: would you want me to disassemble one?
15:02:25pamauryI'll try to find one first, otherwise maybe i'll ask you, if you agree
15:05:29lebelliumthe S545?
15:06:07pamauryyes and E440 if you have it
15:07:13lebelliumI only have the S545 (doesn't work properly, sometimes it boots up, sometimes not so I can disassemble it without fear^^), the E360 and S615. No E440 so far
15:08:24pamauryif you can disassemble it and takes good photos that would be great, if you feel like doing so
15:08:34pamaurywhat matters is the PCB with the chips
15:08:58pamauryand you can take plenty of photos so you don't have to do it again
15:09:52lebelliumOk
15:09:57lebelliumI'll try when I have some time
15:10:28pamaurythanks
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15:22:39Zagorif you have a flat-bed scanner, that's even better
15:25:41lebelliumreally? I wouldn't have thought about using a scanner for something other than paper :)
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15:34:41redhotHowdy!
15:44:12lebelliumpamaury: there is some glue. I hate player which use glue instead of screws :p
15:44:16lebelliumplayers*
15:44:34pamauryah that's bad
15:44:59pamaurythere is a video on youtube on how to disassemble it, did you check it ?
15:45:13lebelliumyes, I'm currently seeing it
15:45:46pamaurysomething the screws are hidden behind stickers
15:46:36pamauryIf you don't feel like doing so, you can send me the player ^^
15:47:10lebelliumOk glue removed
15:47:14lebelliumthat looks aweful :)
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15:48:03lebelliumdust and glue everywhere, I have to clean up a bit :D
15:51:03lebelliumarf I have to leave now. Hopefully I go on and send you the pics tonight pamaury
15:55:42pamaurylebellium: I have screen, storage and keys working on e360, in the bootloader
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15:57:57lebelliumgreat :)
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16:36:08redhotGuys
16:36:20redhotI will really appreciate if you could help me :)
16:36:37redhotAnd LIKE my contest photo here: http://on.fb.me/198VK2F
16:36:42redhotSorry for offtopic(
16:36:58redhotBut I like rockbox and expect for support from it's members)
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16:39:58gevaertsredhot: please keep this channel on topic
16:42:04redhotgevaerts, sure.. sorry for inconvenience caused(
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16:43:25redhotI promise to donate as a compensation :)
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16:58:30pamaurygevaerts: do you know why is HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ undefined by config.h in bootloader ?
16:58:37gevaertsNo idea
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17:11:49pamaurylebellium: playing sound on the e360 with rockbox :)
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17:44:48redhotbtw has bootspeed been upgradedon ecent DEV release?
17:45:04redhotMy Clip+ is now booting uch faster
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18:14:26webguest57hello~
18:15:28webguest57i'm trying to get tatung elio p810's BL to decode it's firmware,now i have a jtag debugger,but jtag pins on the board is not known
18:16:25webguest57it's a 16 pin socket..i wonder if there is someway to know the pinout...except lift the cpu
18:19:25lebelliumpamaury: I have an issue. The copper cover seems to be soldered http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4548/imuw.jpg . I don't know if it's safe to remove it
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18:20:43webguest57i think it's ok to remove it
18:21:17webguest57you can solder it back,it's easy
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18:21:34lebelliumI don't have soldering stuff and skills
18:22:19webguest57this copper cover just being used as emi shield i think
18:22:30webguest57this player can work with out this
18:22:59lebelliumI hope it's not necessary to get the player working because I won't be able to solder it back
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18:53:52lebelliumpamaury: here are some pictures of the S540 + a text file gathering the chips labels in case you can't read well on the pics. Let me know if it's OK before I reassemble it. https://www.dropbox.com/s/bbbpovte2bqprmi/NWZ-S540_disassembly.zip
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19:57:29pamaurylebellium: thanks, let me have a look
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20:00:53pamaurylebellium: I think you can remove the solder, as long as one of them is still in place it will work as a emi shiel
20:00:54pamauryd
20:05:44pamaurylebellium: everything is good except one chip: can you read the little one next to "9VA18 NW179"
20:05:46pamaury?
20:06:07pamaury(the one opposite to 3113A)
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20:32:34[Saint]I noticed something earlier that annoyed me enough to figure out what was going on:
20:33:03[Saint]Is there any reason why we can't apply replaygain dynamically in the settings menu (like many other settings)?
20:33:26[Saint]It seems to require playback to be stopped/restarted to take effect if the setting is changed.
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20:36:08doug__does rockbox need the m3u index file, or can this be deleted?
20:38:04[Saint]which do you mean, sorry?
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20:38:30[Saint]datadase_idx.tcd?
20:39:29doug__the m3u is an index file that is created when a CD is ripped and encoded to flac, ogg, or mp3
20:39:57doug__I'm thinking of stripping that out from the directory that I've been dropping this in.
20:40:23[Saint]Oh, right, derp. Yes. That's absolutely unnecessary as far as Rockbox cares.
20:41:26copper[Saint]: it is dynamic
20:41:33copperit just takes a couple seconds
20:41:36doug__BTW, Asunder is a painless way to rip and encode CDs to flac. And this is from a person who used to like ripperX. Asunder is easier and faster for me.
20:42:22[Saint]copper: Hmmmm, really? Maybe I wasn't waiting long enough, I'll re-check.
20:42:33copperyeah, wait at least 3 seconds during playback
20:42:53copperthe size of the buffer maybe?
20:42:58coppersame with the EQ
20:43:10[Saint]buffer is ~59MB
20:43:18copperthen I don't know why
20:43:45[Saint]Hmmm, maybe the Classic processes it a lot faster.
20:43:52copper?
20:43:53[Saint]I'm using a Video presently.
20:43:57copperI just tried it in the Fuze+ sim
20:44:09copperbut it's pretty much the same on the actual Fuze+ and the actual iPod Classic
20:44:13coppertakes a few seconds
20:44:38copperI only tried on the sim to confirm my memory of it
20:44:49*[Saint] digs up some IEMs.
20:45:18copperalso I assume you're trying it with a RG gain that's noticeable enough :P
20:46:07[Saint]Oh, no, its plenty noticeable if I stop/start playback.
20:46:25copperdon't
20:46:28[Saint]Right, trying now.
20:46:28copperthat's not needed
20:46:36copperworks in the Video sim too
20:46:44lebelliumpamaury: you mean not "85" or "B5" but the other one? Hum I'll need a microscope for it :D
20:47:22[Saint]Ah, it takes ~12 seconds
20:47:31copperwhaaat
20:47:34[Saint]Way longer than I was expecting.
20:47:44copperthat's… odd
20:47:51*[Saint] stands corrected.
20:48:00copperrelated to the anti-skip buffer maybe?
20:48:17pamaurylebellium: yeah the one very very small
20:48:18*copper is going to stop talking out of his ass
20:48:23[Saint]That's at 3 or 5s iirc.
20:48:42[Saint]5s.
20:48:46*[Saint] shrugs
20:49:03[Saint]I do also have EQ with a precut, but no gain.
20:49:53[Saint]Dunno. But, regardless, you're right. It is dynamic, I just wasn't waiting long enough.
20:50:02[Saint]I'll try again with a Classic when I have one available.
20:50:21[Saint]All I have with me is my Video.
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20:55:20lebelliumpamaury: not sure but under the microscope I would say something like "85Y6" for the 1st line and "1709" for the 2nd line.
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20:59:48pamauryhum, doesn't really help
20:59:56pamauryis there a logo ?
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21:00:36lebelliumor maybe the 2nd line is reverse: "6041"
21:00:40lebelliumno logo unfortunately
21:02:17pamaurythis chip is super weird
21:02:35lebelliumindeed
21:02:47lebelliumthe only specificity on this player is the speakers
21:02:58lebelliumthe rest should be similar to the other walkman
21:03:11pamauryyeah but that would be a rather small amplifier
21:06:10pamaurymaybe an accelerometer ?
21:06:40pamaurythat doesn't quite fit the components next to it
21:07:49lebelliumThere is no accelerometer on this device AFAIK. Or at least it's unused. On the left of 9VAI8 there is also another very small chip with label: "TI9AA03P1 CC3"
21:10:34pamaurylebellium: are you running linux ?
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21:11:02lebelliumI run Win 7 with possibly Ubuntu in VM :)
21:11:18pamauryyou have a copy of our repo in your VM right ?
21:11:27lebelliumyes
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21:12:08pamauryyou could execute a few commands for me, very simple: you need to plug your s540, "give" it to the VM and then compile&run a program to extract the firmware
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21:13:42lebelliumok, I hope it works because as I told you, my S540 doesn't work properly, sometimes it will work, sometimes not (can't startup or blank screen)
21:14:46pamauryif it doesn't work, you can try to boot it in recovery mode but then it will be more complicated and more experimental
21:15:03pamauryand that could also just indicate a hardware failure anyway
21:16:41pamaurytell me if you manage to make it work normally in usb mode
21:17:37lebelliumI need to reassemble it first maybe
21:17:47pamauryah yeah ^^
21:17:56pamauryforgot about this detail
21:18:01pamaury;)
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21:34:52spontalikuHello everybody. I have not responding sansa clip+. Pressing power a long time do not helps. Battery should be not charged - more than a week without charge. fdisk shows 4mb drive. What should I do?
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21:39:17lebelliumpamaury: I have the S540 connected in MSC in Linux. I don't know for how long though. I'm not sure it's quite stable^^
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21:50:00pamaurylebellium: ok, now in the repo, cd into utils/imxtools/scsitools
21:50:02pamauryrun make
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21:55:27lebelliumgcc -g -std=c99 -W -Wall -c -o scsitool.o scsitool.c
21:55:28lebelliumscsitool.c:37:25: fatal error: scsi/sg_lib.h: No such file or directory
21:55:30lebelliumcompilation terminated.
21:55:31lebelliummake: *** [scsitool.o] Error 1
21:55:48pamauryah that's what I was afraid of
21:55:59pamauryyou need to install a package, give me a second to find the name
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21:56:20pamauryapt-get install libsgutils2-dev
21:56:25pamaury(as root or with sudo)
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22:00:23lebelliumpamaury: gcc -g -std=c99 -W -Wall -c -o scsitool.o scsitool.c
22:00:24lebelliumgcc -g -std=c99 -W -Wall -c -o misc.o misc.c
22:00:26lebelliumgcc -o scsitool scsitool.o misc.o -lsgutils2
22:02:38pamaurycool, now as root or with sudo run: "./scsitool -x fw.sb /dev/sdb"
22:02:56pamauryreplace /dev/sdb by the actual device node (use dmesg | tail)
22:04:15lebelliumExtracting firmware... Done for the 1st line. I did not understand for replace...
22:05:21pamauryif the command line, you should replace /dev/sdb by the actual node. If the kernel detected the device as /dev/sdc then it should be /dev/sdc. Anyway, what is the full output, did it report any error or was it successful ?
22:05:33pamauryIf so, it should have created a file called fw.sb in the directory
22:05:42pamaurywhat is its size ?
22:06:04lebelliumubuntu@ubuntu-VirtualBox:~/rockbox/utils/imxtools/scsitools$ sudo ./scsitool -x fw.sb /dev/sdb
22:06:06lebelliumExtracting firmware...
22:06:07lebelliumDone
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22:07:00lebelliumfw.sb is 20,1MB
22:09:29pamaurycool, can you upload it please ?
22:09:45lebelliumyep
22:10:07lorenzo92cool stuff is happening .. 20 ports in a go :D
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22:16:36lebelliumpamaury: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hbvxtmvkdmcbir2/NWZ-S540_extracted_fw.zip
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22:17:41lebelliumLooks like a powerful tool :)
22:19:20pamauryit is, for the sdk based firmwares from sigmatel
22:19:29pamauryit can read from any partition, even the hidden ones
22:19:42pamauryand in the future it will write too, so one can upgrade the firmware
22:20:59lebelliumgreat
22:21:29lebelliumand how can it help you in this case? Find out the hardware inside the S540?
22:23:43pamauryfirst I need to have a quick look at the firmware, if it's close enough to the e360 I'll give you some binaries to run on the device
22:23:58pamaurybut first I'll push more work on the e360/e370
22:26:05lebelliumok
22:32:09lebelliumpamaury: can I reassemble it now, or should I leave it disassembled just in case?
22:32:42pamauryyou can reassemble it, thanks
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22:58:56kugellorenzo92: hey. you pinged me the other day
22:59:20lorenzo92kugel: yes, because of the ypr0 simulator :)
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23:00:54lorenzo92i.e. g#618
23:00:57fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #618 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/618 : 3Simulator for Samsung YP-R0 by Lorenzo Miori (changes/18/618/5)
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