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#rockbox log for 2013-10-18

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00:10:46megal0maniac_afkWhat has happened to the build system? No new builds in 9 days now and the last 2 were plagued with errors :/
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00:11:48[Saint]megal0maniac_afk: it only builds when there are commits. No commits, no builds.
00:12:09gevaertsmegal0maniac_afk: the errors have been tracked down and should be fixed for the next build
00:12:36megal0maniac_afkGot it
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02:51:37PartmediaAny committers around?
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03:25:34[Saint]Partmedia: if you have a specific question, just ask it.
03:32:53PartmediaErr... I was just wondering if anyone has been looking at Gerrit these days, I'm kinda impatient :p
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03:33:55PartmediaAlso, I managed to get rockbox compiled under FreeBSD by adding a few missing #includes, but now rockboxui (the sim) keep exiting from sigsuspend()s...
03:39:46saratogathe bsd configure change looks harmless so i'll add it
03:40:03fs-bluebotBuild Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 513914c, 223 builds, 19 clients.
03:40:47Partmediasaratoga, thanks :D
03:42:49Partmediasaratoga, any chance you'll look at Idccbf262 as well?
03:52:23fs-bluebotBuild Server message: 3Build round completed after 740 seconds.
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04:25:10Strife89Is there a way to determine what builds a specific machine contributed (if any)?
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04:54:57[Saint]Hah. That's...interesting.
04:56:36[Saint]I sincerely doubt it was deliberate, at least, I hope not, but there seems to be some form of "scratch resistant coating" on the iPod Video screen. If you scratch that off (which took *ages* :-( ) the screen underneath is virtually indestructable.
04:57:08*[Saint] now wonders if the same is true for the Nano 1G, which in many ways is just a tiny flash based iPod Video
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05:26:23PartmediaStrife89, what do you mean? Determine the host platform?
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05:27:11Strife89Partmedia: I mean what a given build client finished compiling and uploaded.
05:27:18saratogapartmedia: is it ok to include those files on other targets?
05:27:25saratogai didn't think rockbox even had unistd
05:27:27saratoga.h
05:27:55Partmediasaratoga, hmm, really? Because SEEK_END is defined there.
05:28:19PartmediaStrife89, the distributed build system?
05:29:27Strife89Partmedia: Yes.
05:29:53PartmediaStrife89, sorry, I don't know anything about that :(
05:30:02Partmediaother than it exists :p
05:31:05saratogadid you try compiling it for a device?
05:32:13saratogalooking at the code briefly (no grep on this machine) i see that SEEK_END is defined in stdio.h
05:33:16PartmediaYes, this was a simulator build for the c200
05:33:31saratogabut did you try compiling any device builds?
05:33:47saratogai suspect that will fail on an actual arm device
05:34:01saratogasince there will be no underlying BSD system to provide that header
05:34:07PartmediaYou're right, SEEK_END seems to be defined in stdio.h
05:35:27Partmediais stdio provided by rockbox?
05:37:30Partmediait is, firmware/libc/include/stdio.h, I should use "stdio.h" instead of <stdio.h>?
05:38:23saratogai see the encoders all include platform.h
05:38:36saratogamy guess is the platform specific stuff is supposed to come from that
05:40:41PartmediaThe original problem was that the compiler couldn't find SEEK_END, #including rockbox's own stdio *seems* to have fixed it issue
05:41:26saratogayeah but the library should not depend on the firmware
05:41:35saratogasince you might compile it without the rest of rockbox
05:41:55saratogarbcodecplatform-unix.h looks like it was intended to provide things like this on unix systems
05:41:59Partmediagood point, let me try platform.h
05:44:22Partmediaon a side note, inttypes.h seems to be in firmware/libc, but is nevertheless used in the original file
05:45:16saratogaiirc on native builds #include <inttypes.h> would include the system's inttype.h
05:45:47Partmediaright, that's why I was wondering why that was special...
05:45:49saratogaalthough i'm not an expert in these things
05:46:08*Partmedia is totally new to rockbox and embedded programming in general
05:46:09saratogai guess its generic enough that you don't need a special one for firmware builds?
05:46:23*Partmedia just wants a working simulator :-(
05:46:51saratogausually the issue is that you want to avoid including an x86 library on an arm device, so you have your own libraries and headers
05:47:54Partmediayes, could you clarify the issue with including stdio in lib/rbcodec/codecs?
05:48:27saratogayou don't want to include the rockbox firmware version if you're not compiling a firmware build
05:48:45saratogathe codeclib can be run as a standalone windows or unix binary
05:49:08saratogaactually i'm not 100% sure if we're trying to keep them independent
05:49:38[Saint]I _think_ that's the intention.
05:49:40saratogabut i think on a build for linux for instance it would be strange to use the rockbox stdio.h if you're not using rockbox
05:50:06saratogausually doing things like that at best is going to result in redefining a lot of macros
05:50:47saratogaits not clear to me though why linux apparently does not need unistd,h though
05:51:06*Partmedia is confused...
05:51:25Partmedialib/rbcodec/rbcodecconfig-example.h seems to advocate <unistd.h>
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09:12:18megal0maniac_afkHey. Could someone please have a quick look at this log and check that everything is as it should be?
09:12:41megal0maniac_afkIt's a buildclient log. Only thing that's standing out to me is "No upload"
09:13:03megal0maniac_afkhttp://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=PDWgziW5
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09:21:55megal0maniac_afkOh of course. America is sleeping :)
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10:17:51gevaertsmegal0maniac_afk: only main builds get uploaded
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10:21:27gevaertsZagor: do you remember if it would matter much if suddenly all build costs are scaled a bit in the same way? I'm planning to do a new calibration run sometime during the weekend, and I *believe* I haven't done any of those yet on this laptop, which means it will be a rather faster CPU
10:22:09gevaertsI'm considering switching the basic point from one centi-CPU-second to one milli-CPU-second to avoid pushing all the slower clients to 0 or 1
10:23:05Zagorit's going to get a bit confused when the planning and outcome differs a lot, but it should still work and even out after ~5 rounds
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10:25:29gevaertsI could use a different factor to keep the numbers more similar, but going to milliseconds will keep us safe for several more years and benchmark machine upgrades, so I do favour that
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10:29:26Zagoryes, I agree
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15:50:26bertrikI'm getting a HTTP 403 when trying to build the rockbox arm toolchain :(
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15:52:10[Saint]bertrik: when trying to acquire....?
15:54:47bertrikbinutils2.20.1 and a couple of patches on it
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15:57:15[Saint]hmmm.
15:58:08bertrikfrom www.nic.funet.fi
15:58:58[Saint]Argh! Fuck me, that is ugly behaviour that I hope gets changed.
15:59:19bertrikoh, it's in some kind of maintenance apparently
15:59:46[Saint]If you pick up a folder, and hover over another folder with it for 2 seconds, instead of selecting the bottom folder it opens it.
15:59:57[Saint](13.10^)
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16:00:05[Saint]...that's nasty. Ick.
16:00:25amayer[Saint]: hovering opens folders now 13.10?
16:00:47gevaertshm
16:00:49[Saint]if you have something "picked up", yes.
16:00:55*gevaerts points to the topic
16:01:07[Saint]oh dear, whoops.
16:03:04amayer*blames [Saint] for my temporary distraction*
16:03:38[Saint]Good.
16:03:46[Saint]:)
16:03:56lebelliumhum do you also have an issue with the bug tracker?
16:04:26gevaertslebellium: Zagor knows about it
16:04:38gevaertsThe server has been upgraded, and some issues remain
16:04:46lebelliumok
16:07:20lebelliumand is anyone thinking about releasing v3.14?
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16:07:49pixelmaRockbox Pi? ;)
16:08:06*bertrik remembers delaying some feature months ago because a release was supposed to be close
16:08:13bertrikcan't remember the feature though ...
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16:31:02[Saint]bertrik: what arch did you need the toolchain(s) for?
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16:48:23[Saint]bertrik: On the offchance you wanted x64 toolchains, I have them all here - http://goo.gl/PTr5YZ
16:48:53[Saint](its a ~60something-ish .tar.gz archive)
16:49:19[Saint]*~60something-ish MB
16:51:51lebellium[Saint]: did you have time to have a look at my cabbiev2 240x400 fix?
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17:32:54amayeris there a way we can update http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuildHighScores to use gerrit links?
17:33:15gevaertsWhy gerrit?
17:34:20gevaertsgitweb, sure, go ahead :)
17:35:53amayergevaerts: im not sure what the difference is... i just know it points to svn.rockbox.org and that no longer exists
17:36:36amayerand idk how to convert svn numbers to anything else that links to build server or what ever
17:36:46gevaertsgerrit.rockbox.org hosts gerrit, which manages access to our git setup and manages those gerrit patches
17:37:36amayeri just noticed all the links are broken and im not sure where they should be pointing now that svn.rockbox.org is dead
17:38:00gevaertsgit.rockbox.org has the read-only git stuff and hosts a gitweb setup to allow browsing the source
17:42:28gevaertsamayer: if you head to http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=tree and enter the svn revision in the search box, you'll usually end up with the right commit
17:43:12gevaertsYou can then double-check the git-svn-id: line
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18:08:33pixelmatoday I noticed that on the theme site there are 99 themes listed for the Clip (v1, I assume) but 100 for the Clip v2 and the Clip+. Is there a reason for this?
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23:13:30lebelliumWhouh
23:13:34lebelliumgevaerts fixed it! :)
23:13:40gevaertsWell...
23:13:52lebelliumand if I want to flip the display? \o/
23:14:09gevaertsThat had been on gerrit for a while already
23:14:25gevaertsThere is actually a *real* fix, but that's a lot of work
23:14:40kugelgevaerts: better solution: remove it from the built table. it's obvious that nobody cares enough about these targets
23:14:54lebelliumyou mean it's not worth it for the 10 remaining users? :)
23:15:24kugelthose are probably better off with previous releases
23:15:24gevaertskugel: that's not a decision I can make on my own when I'm looking for a commit so I can show megal0maniac_afk that *my* build client is slower :)
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23:19:01lebelliumI didn't even know we have a "morse input"
23:25:04kugelit's probably one of our least known features
23:32:11lebelliumI don't find it in the clip+ manual
23:32:20lebelliumdo we have it on every target?
23:35:06gevaertsNo. Button availability is an issue
23:36:25lebelliumoh I see the setting on my E200
23:37:49lebelliumbut nothing in the manual
23:37:52lebelliumhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1390008.5
23:38:01lebelliumso I don't even know how it works
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23:39:27gevaertsI bet it works "probably" :)
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23:41:47lebelliumseriously, what should I do with the morse input keyboard
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23:43:39lebelliumAm I supposed to press a defined button short or long to add a character?
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23:43:58gevaertsYes, as far as I understand it
23:44:19gevaertsIf you're good at it, I imagine it works *much* better than our usual keyboard
23:44:48lebelliumOk looks like there is keymapping for it on E200 -_-
23:44:55lebelliumno keymapping*
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23:45:33lebelliumIt should be enabled only on targets where it... actually works
23:46:50lebelliumoh my bad
23:46:54lebelliumit works on E200, sorry
23:47:51lebelliumwow
23:47:55lebelliumnot bad
23:48:12lebelliumI typed "test" 2x faster than with the usual keyboard :)
23:48:37bertrikwell that's about the shortest word in morse, isn't it?
23:48:56lebelliumhum
23:49:02lebelliumyes maybe not the best sample word
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23:57:51lebelliumWell the Clip+/Clip zip has as many buttons as the Cowon X5. So I think this morse input could also work on the newer targets

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