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#rockbox log for 2013-10-21

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13:22:38pamauryyeah, sound working on Creative ZEN \o/
13:23:58lebelliumgreat
13:24:14lebelliumbut I only have the Zen x-fi style :(
13:27:18pamauryIf you have two of them, I'm ready to buy one, I have been unable to find one
13:30:02lebelliumArf I only have one, gifted by Creative at the time
13:30:50lebelliumhttp://www.leboncoin.fr/image_son/552974554.htm?ca=12_s
13:31:02lebelliummaybe a bit too expensive
13:33:00pamauryAh thanks, I'll try. But many many times I get no answer on leboncoin, we'll see with this one
13:34:17lebelliumOtherwise I can lend mine to you for a few weeks or months. But as you know I can't sell ou gift it since it's part of my collection :)
13:39:49pamauryI'll see if I get this one firs
13:39:51pamauryt
13:41:04pamaurythe other player I *really* want is the Zen X-Fi2 with internal sd model (the other is the nand model). Apparently the NAND model was mostly sold in Europe and the SD model some other places
13:41:35lebelliumHum
13:41:45lebelliumI thought the internal SD model was only the rare 64GB version
13:43:16pamaurymaybe, I don't know
13:43:43pamauryEach time I see a Zen X-Fi2 on leboncoin, I ask the model, never seen a SD model yet. Nor a 64GB version
13:44:01lebelliumI'm pretty sure for the 64GB version
13:44:20lebelliumIt was the cheapest 64GB player on the market
13:44:23lebelliumbecause of that :)
13:44:47pamaurybecause it uses internal sd ?
13:44:52lebelliumyes
13:45:17pamauryhum, internal sd is like nand + controller, how can this be less expensive ?
13:45:29pamauryit must be freaking expensive anyway, and it's not a very good player anyway
13:45:36lebelliumhum
13:45:49lebelliumI thought using a SD card is cheaper than NAND
13:45:59lebelliumanyway, the 64GB version has a specific firmware
13:46:51pamauryI don't know. I know the installer has two firmwares: one nand and one sd, that's all I know
13:46:57pamauryso maybe you are right
13:47:31pamauryThen I'll never find a cheap sd model :(
13:49:31lebelliumthe 64GB version cost "only" $250 back to 2011 http://web.archive.org/web/20110326054402/http://us.store.creative.com/Creative-ZEN-XFi2-MP3-Player-64GB/M/B003G4T508.htm
13:50:24pamauryyeah, "only" :)
13:51:00lebelliumheh, that was the price of a 32GB player at that time :)
13:52:02pamaurythat's still ridiculous when you know the price of a 64GB micro sd card
13:53:03lebelliumindeed
13:53:18lebelliumso I don't know, I hope for you some 16 and 32GB variants also use internalSD
13:53:57pamauryI know one guy with a sd model, I'll ask him what is the capacity. Since the guy lives in brazil or so, development is not quite easy ^^
13:56:43lebelliumthe creative website says
13:56:44lebellium"ZEN X-Fi2 DVP-FL0012, DVP-FL0015/PF2494 (64GB)"
13:56:54lebelliumI don't know how it is supposed to be understood
13:57:07lebelliumI understand it as DVP-FL0015 or PF2494 is only 64GB
13:57:16pamauryI don't know either, I know the installer only has two firmwares, not three
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14:03:27lebelliumWell what I said made no sense. I don't think DVP-FL0015 and PF2494 are 2 different variants. DVP-FL0015/PF2494 is most likely the full reference number of the 64GB variant, the only one SD based :)
14:05:43pamauryI asked the guy to tell me the model written at the back of his player, we'll have a definite answer I hope
14:05:56lebelliumI hope so
14:07:17pamaurydoes the Zen X-Fi Style has a radio ?
14:07:30pamaurythe PCB scan on the wiki suggests not
14:08:01lebelliumYes it has FM radio
14:08:17pamauryhum, then the scan must be incomplete
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14:12:34lebelliumwho took the picture?
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14:38:25wodzAre there nand chips with more the 2 planes?
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15:13:57pamaurywodz: I don't know,
15:14:11pamaurylebellium: Mohammed Tarik, he wanted to do the port but ran out of time apparently
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15:19:03wodzrk27xx OF flash driver does some strange rounding/aligning when translating sector-> flash page. I don't quite understand what it does. This is definitely not ftl stuff.
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15:22:59pamaurywodz: apparently nands may have up to 8 planes
15:23:19wodzyou mean dies, don't you?
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15:28:11pamauryyes I think
15:29:21pamauryTell me if I'm wrong but basically: N bytes = 1 pages, M pages = 1 block, P blocks = 1 plane, Q plane s= 1 LUN, each physical chip mayeb have several LUNs, each LUN has its own chip enable
15:31:27wodzpamaury: I think there are chips which have N dies connected internally (no separate CSs).
15:32:09pamauryThe ONFI specifies that each must have its own CE if I read correctly. But some NAND don't follow the ONFI spec
15:32:09wodzand for plane blocks are interleaved so for two plane nand all odd blocks are in one plane and all even are on the second
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15:33:28wodzRaw nands should die. eMMC/eSD are so much nicer to work with
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15:36:30pamaurysorry, there is one chip enable per device, a device maybe have several LUN and chip may have several devices
15:36:46pamaurythat's all very confusing :-/
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16:17:22pamaurylebellium: got the ZEN X-Fi Style :)
16:17:46pamauryA bit expensive but at least I have it. Just need to wait to receive it
16:19:27pamaurylebellium: the guy's zen x-fi2 model is DVP-FL0015.
16:28:55lebelliumpamaury: maybe the RB fund can help?
16:29:07lebelliumIt's the 64GB variant right?
16:31:25pamauryI don't know, I asked the capacity but he didn't answered
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16:51:25pamauryI don't remember who manages the fund, I would appreciate any help of the fund of course
16:54:20gevaertsZagor
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16:56:21pamaurysounds on the ZEN X-Fi \o/
16:59:12pamaurylebellium: 16GB capacity
16:59:30lebelliumoh
16:59:33lebelliumthat's interesting
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17:00:14lebelliumso at least you're not obliged to buy a rare and expensive 64GB version to get the internalSD variant
17:00:16lebelliumgood news
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17:01:07pamauryyeah, but finding the SD model seems hard in France
17:05:42lebelliumwell it's never referred as "DVP-FL0015" when a Zen X-Fi 2 is for sale so it's quite boring if you have to ask every seller to check the sticker on the back :S
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17:15:15pamaurylebellium: that's what I did for the last 5 or so I saw on leboncoin recently
17:16:02lebelliumI just asked http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251360600725&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:DE:1123
17:16:11lebelliummaybe we'll be more lucky in Germany :)
17:16:25lebelliumI'll let you know
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