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#rockbox log for 2013-11-02

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04:42:14Andrew_SSansa Clip Zip owners, I just purchased one and want to know if anyone else has the same symptoms I'm hearing...
04:43:45Andrew_SWhen playing back audio of any sort (various formats, bitrates, sample rates tested so far), I hear random "click" or "tick" sounds.
04:44:48Andrew_SThe sounds are not periodic, sometimes come in clusters of several clicks within a second, sometimes are isolated by several seconds between.
04:46:57Andrew_SThose familiar with audacity could reproduce the sound of the symptom by taking any waveform, zoomed into show individual samples, and drag a random single sample way off toward the top or bottom of the track, away from its neighbors.
04:47:42Andrew_SSo the problem, I'm guessing, is manifesting as single sample playback errors by some part of the audio hardware.
04:49:23Andrew_SHeadphone's are secure. Doesn't appear a bitrate issue (which shouldn't matter anyway, if the codec and hardware are conforming). I can play these files on my PC with foobar2000 off the device and they sound normal.
04:50:14Andrew_SI also ran an md5sum across the versions copied to the Clip Zip, compared with the md5sum of my copies on my PC, and confirmed they transferred identically.
04:51:43Andrew_S"Click" symptom stops when I'm not playing any audio. Resumes with audio playback. Rare when using the FM receiver, but I've heard a few clicks there also.
04:54:04Andrew_SThe product was new out of the box last night, preloaded with 01.01.21A. Installed Rockbox 3.1.3 using the 01.01.20 firmware. Symptom manifest on either Rockbox or OF.
04:54:59Andrew_SI also tried reloading the original .21 firmware and verified it's there also. Seems to be a hardware fault. Anyone ever experienced this with their own Clip Zip's?
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05:04:20Andrew_SI'll just add for clarity: it appears these random "click" or "tick" sounds (what I suppose I'll call - single sample errors) are not related to the media file at all.
05:05:28Andrew_SIf I take a given media file, and start it playing, let it play on a while listening to the timing and noting the pattern of the clicks, then rewind to the start, the click pattern will be different each time.
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05:07:23Andrew_SIt's a subtle sounding problem: the clicks tend to get masked by loud music like techno or rock, etc. But I listen to a lot of talk, ambient, and classical, and these clicks cannot be ignored there (quite distracting).
05:08:48Andrew_SI am about to presume the device was bad-out-of-box. But before I take it back into store, I want to sample other owners out there to get a sense whether I am likely to encounter this again if I request a simple exchange for a different Zip.
05:09:42Andrew_SThank you to anyone providing a response. I will be standing by.
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06:01:13Andrew_SI have to depart now on other business, but if any Clip Zip owners out there have response to my question above from earlier, do write your comments and I will scrape the irc log later for them. Thanks!
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07:44:54copperAndrew_S: I'm afraid I don't have an anser, but if you could record the artifacts and upload it somewhere, that might help
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11:52:47Szczepanciopamaury: My windows8 was configuring driver after your trick, but no any disk was show at my computer.
11:52:57Szczepancioshown*
11:54:19pamaurydamn, so it still shows as Media device ?
11:55:04SzczepancioAs media? No, just don't show anything.
11:55:07SzczepancioIf you mean that.
11:55:27pamauryah sorry, we are talking about which one ? the E380 ?
11:55:32SzczepancioYup.
11:56:20SzczepancioBut I prefer the e470. This trick will work at it?
11:56:27pamauryno
11:56:33pamauryok cool, can you go into the device manager and tell me how it is detected ? If I'm right it should be detected as HID device
11:56:43Szczepancioe380?
11:56:48pamauryyes
11:57:02pamauryin recovery mod, it should be listed as a HID device
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12:01:24Szczepanciopamaury: I see a HID device's, but there are 8 option's, and I see: device supported by hid,
12:01:56Szczepanciox2, usb input device x4, user controlling device x2
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12:04:15SzczepancioI think I found this, after event's,
12:04:25pamauryit should have id 066f_3780
12:04:41pamaurysomething like this in the "details panel" HID\VID_066F&PID_3780\6&1B19E9B4&0&0000
12:06:28SzczepancioUSB\VID_066F&PID_3780&REV_0001
12:06:44pamaurycool perfect
12:07:04pamaurythat's good, it means this device could be ported quite easily
12:07:22SzczepancioMeh, it's sound fun, but...
12:07:31pamaurynow the next step is to extract the firmware out of it
12:08:05SzczepancioHow?
12:09:09pamauryYou need a program I wrote, I haven't tested it under windows though, I'm not sure it compiles
12:09:25pamaurywait a minute
12:10:35pamauryok, apparently it should run under windows when compiled with MinGW. I can compiled it for you if you don't mind running a binary, otherwise you can try to compile it yourself
12:11:47SzczepancioGive a link.
12:12:07pamauryok, give a few minutes to run my windows box and compile this
12:14:30pamauryfu******* windows just crashed in my virtual box, that must be the first time in years
12:15:50pamaurysorry for the delay
12:16:25SzczepancioYep, I know that feeling.
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12:17:10Szczepanciopamaury: I was using a Linux Mint with mate for 10 month's, and I really liked it. But I got windows 8 for birthday and I don't wanna move to another OS.
12:18:10pamauryNo problem, it's the same for me with Linux, now I just cannot use any other OS :-/
12:19:52pamauryOne day I should switch to Windows 7 in my box, XP is becoming a bit obsolete...
12:20:08SzczepancioXP will be unsupported, in 2014?
12:21:43pamauryyes I think they extended the deadline for one year
12:22:50pamauryI need more RAM to run Win7 in a box though, it's much more hungry than XP
12:23:00SzczepancioIn a Virtualbox, yep?
12:23:08pamauryyes
12:23:19SzczepancioHow much RAM do you have?
12:23:52pamaury4GB
12:24:55SzczepancioMe too.
12:25:18Szczepancio2GB is enough to run Win7 in a virtual environment, I think.
12:25:37SzczepancioOr use Wine.
12:25:47pamauryWhen you run one VM + several thousands pages PDF of doc + build things, you quickly get out of memory or you swap hard, currently my XP only has 512MB in its box
12:26:12pamauryWine is not always ok when you actually want to test things under windows
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12:33:12pamaurydamn, MSYS is soooooooooo slow
12:33:29pamaurymaybe I should try cygwin one day
12:33:44SzczepancioUse cygwin instead :> But it cannot run at another device without lib(s).
12:34:21pamauryok compiled, let me try it on one of device to see if it actually works
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12:35:07pamauryof course it detected it as MTP, I hate windows for this
12:37:17pamaurydid you manage to make the trick to detect MTP device as Mass Storage work ? You might need it on the E380 if it gets detected as MTP :-/
12:37:48SzczepancioIt will work's at e380 and e470, right?
12:37:54bluebrotherwhy are you using MSYS?
12:38:02SzczepancioTo compile program for windows.
12:38:37bluebrothernormally you don't need that. MinGW is sufficient.
12:38:50bluebrother(and msys is intended as environment to build MinGW)
12:39:02bluebrothermost programs can also be cross compiled on a Linux box :)
12:39:22pamauryyeah, I should cross compile these days
12:39:39pamaurySzczepancio: yes it should work on both, I'm trying it right now on my Sansa Fuze+
12:39:45bluebrothercompiling Rockbox Utility on Windows with MinGW is slower than using mxe on Linux :)
12:40:05bluebrotherand mxe is really nice to use these days
12:40:45pamauryis mxe packaged on debian or you need to download it ?
12:40:54Szczepanciopamaury: Can you post it again, because I lost a log?
12:41:09pamaurywith on earth is windows so slow ?
12:41:09pamauryYes:
12:41:21SzczepancioThis method to make device in VMS/MSC mode or what it is called.
12:41:50pamaurygot into device manager, right click on device > Properties > Drive Tab > Upgrade driver > Don't use windows update > Advance method > Choose from list > Choose Mass Storage
12:42:16pamaury*Driver Tab
12:42:34pamaurythis is for windows XP but it should be the same on Windows 7 at least and 8 probably
12:43:07bluebrotherpamaury: no idea if Debian provides a package. Generally mxe is a set of Makefiles to build the toolchain.
12:43:15SzczepancioI think I did it.
12:43:17Szczepancio:D
12:43:21bluebrotherjust clone the repository and make <whatyouneed>
12:43:37pamauryyou're lucky, mine is still installing it...Let me upload the binary
12:43:41bluebrotherhttp://mxe.cc
12:43:56SzczepancioI did it at e470, so the binary will work at e470?
12:44:29SzczepancioOr first try it at e380?
12:44:40pamauryno, only on e370, for E470 you need a different binary
12:44:43pamaury*E380
12:47:48SzczepancioTurn it into revoery mod or not, pamaury?
12:48:15pamauryno
12:48:26pamauryhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/kyr8qbanicmdto9/scsitool.exe
12:49:06pamaurynormal mode but mass storage otherwise it will not work
12:49:54pamauryto run it: in a console run "scsitool.exe -i D:", replace D: with the driver letter
12:50:39Szczepanciopamaury: What the e380 is named without recovery mod?
12:50:45SzczepancioI can't find it in device manager.
12:52:34pamauryno idea, it should be listed under storage device if the trick worked
12:52:50pamauryyou might need to push the "search for new device" button
12:52:57pamaury(in device manager)
12:53:15SzczepancioThe trick worked at e470.
12:54:05pamauryI'll build the binary for the E470 later, I think I need to fix it for windows before
12:54:18SzczepancioThank's :)
12:54:31pamauryand the E380?
12:54:45SzczepancioWhat?
12:55:05pamaurydid you manage to put in mass storage mode and run the tool ?
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12:58:46lebellium"invalid option −− i"
12:59:37lebelliumwhy doesn't it work here?
12:59:55pamaurydid you put "-i" or "−−i" ?
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13:01:24lebellium[12:49]pamauryto run it: in a console run "scsitool.exe -i D:", replace D: with the driver letter
13:01:40lebelliumso just -i
13:02:52pamaury-i tells to print info and then you must put the path to the device
13:05:30pamauryI'm rebooting my windows, it's completely dead but I see no reason why -i would be an invalid option while it is one on linux
13:06:43Szczepanciopamaury: I still cant find the mp4 but tool is working.
13:06:44pamauryor maybe I uploaded the wrong version ?
13:06:57pamaurySzczepancio: what does it print ?
13:07:14pamauryuse http://paste.pm/ if it's more than a few lines
13:07:41SzczepancioI mean I can run the tool, but it's uselless until i can't find this tool.
13:07:46Szczepanciofind this mp4?
13:07:49Szczepanciomp4*
13:08:09pamauryright
13:09:32pamauryIf you open "My Computer", does it show a Media device or an new Disk ?
13:10:01SzczepancioI tried to put it down, search device button, put it again, search device button, and tada, I thinked it should shown.
13:10:04SzczepancioBut it doesn't.
13:10:22lebellium"D:\Users\Ludo\Downloads\scsitool.exe is not a valid Win32 application"
13:11:22pamauryah sorry, I upload the wrong version, my mistake
13:11:34SzczepancioC:\Users\Szczepancio\Downloads>scsitool
13:11:35Szczepancio '\n' Usage: scsitool [options] <dev> <command> [arguments]
13:11:46Szczepancio('\n' means newline)
13:13:02pamaurynew link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kyr8qbanicmdto9/scsitool.exe
13:14:00lebelliumhehe works now
13:14:10SzczepancioIt's looking diffrent that version uploaded before.
13:14:10pamaurySzczepancio: so nothing happen when you plug your player ?
13:14:15SzczepancioYes.
13:14:41pamauryand did you find where it is listed in the Device Manager ? It must appear somewhere
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13:15:04SzczepancioOh yea i have access to disk of player :)
13:15:22Szczepanciomy computer - walkman - storage media
13:15:40lebelliumI tried on my Japanese A855
13:15:43lebellium"D:\Users\Ludo\Downloads>scsitool.exe -i G:
13:15:44lebellium←[1;34mInformation
13:15:46lebellium←[1;30mTransport error: Le d?lai de temporisation de s?maphore a expir?."
13:15:46pamaurylebellium: Szczepancio: you might want to run "scsitool.exe -n -i D:", otherwise it will print weird character ^^
13:16:06SzczepancioD: is my second drive ^^
13:16:24pamaurywell replace D: by the drive letter, when you manage to get it work
13:16:25SzczepancioI don't know how named is the e380
13:16:49SzczepancioHow named is disk of e380
13:16:51pamaurySzczepancio: My computer > WalkMan > Storage Media looks like MTP
13:17:02SzczepancioMeh, i was thinking about it.
13:17:34lebellium"D:\Users\Ludo\Downloads>scsitool.exe -n -i G:
13:17:34pamauryoh let's do it another way: what are the disk listed under "Disks" ?
13:17:35lebelliumscsitool.exe: invalid option −− n" Oo
13:17:43pamaurysorry, "scsitool.exe -c -i G:"
13:18:05*pamaury should use consistent option names accross his tools
13:18:46SzczepancioC:\ and D:\
13:18:53SzczepancioThey are my harddisk's of course.
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13:19:02pamauryok so it's not detected as mass storage
13:19:13pamaurycan you retry the trick with device manager and driver upgrade ?
13:19:21pamaurymaybe you need to reboot
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13:20:42pamaurylebellium: if will probably not work on your A855 anyway, this tool only applies to the imx233 based players which I doubt A855 is
13:20:49lebelliumAh
13:20:52lebelliumthat's why :)
13:21:01lebelliumI wanted to extract the firmware
13:21:36lebelliummaybe I can try on my S615F
13:21:38pamauryIt is not possible to extract the firmware on the other sony nwzs this way unfortunately
13:22:11pamauryyou can just print a lot of (very useful) information
13:23:18lebelliumhehe works on S615F
13:23:32lebelliumwell not really
13:24:28lebelliumVendor: SONY Product: WALKMAN
13:24:30lebelliumCannot get protocol version: 2 ; Cannot get chip major revision id: 2; Cannot get rom revision id: 2; Cannot get logical table: 2
13:25:10pamauryyeah that was to be expected
13:25:32lebelliumok so this tool can only work with my E360
13:26:18pamauryyes
13:31:24pamaurySzczepancio: any success ?
13:33:01pamauryI wonder if this tricky can be turned into a tool, with all the APIs windows has, there must be a way to achieve this
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13:37:08lebelliumdo you need these info for S545 pamaury or is my firmware extract enough?
13:38:06pamauryfirmware extract is enough, I already have the firmware but I don't have the time and the device
13:39:11lebelliumok
13:42:55lebelliumThe NWZ-S630 looks great. Maybe I'll buy one
13:46:24pamauryis it a recent player ?
13:46:36lebelliumNo, 2009
13:47:26lebelliumI can't afford recent Sony players, they are too overpriced :)
13:49:35pamauryyeah clearly
13:53:33Szczepanciopamaury - My cousin visited me, so I was busy for a moment.
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14:10:38K1773Rwhy is there no category for iPod Classic at http://themes.rockbox.org/ ?
14:13:19[Saint]Because there's no Rockbox-sanctioned installation method.
14:14:25[Saint]Just use Video/Beast/etc. themes.
14:14:34[Saint]anything 320x240
14:15:14K1773Rthanks :)
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14:34:32Szczepanciopamaury: I'm here.
14:34:40SzczepancioFree and not busy :)
14:35:03[Saint]That doesn't mean he's either or both, though. ;)
14:35:59[Saint]I'm quite sure he saw your highlight earlier, he'll get to you - he can't resist reverse engineering things for too long.
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14:43:11parafinhi there. Where I can find instructions about how to install rockbox on iPod classic?
14:45:29parafinshall I follow this http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic ?
14:47:19K1773Rparafin: yes, worked well for me
14:47:57parafinOK, will try it then
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15:01:03parafincool, it worked
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15:08:13parafinare ther themes for ipod classic? or themes for ipod video will work?
15:08:18parafin^ther^there
15:14:11K1773Raccording to [Saint] anything thats 320x240 works. so check the iPodVideo section
15:14:40K1773Ralso you may need to install the fontpack depending on what theme u want -> http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.13/rockbox-fonts-3.13.zip
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15:17:23pamaurySzczepancio: ok
15:17:42pamauryso same problem as before: you need to be able to see the device as Mass Storage
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15:29:42Szczepanciopamaury: Is it possible to make it under Linux easily?
15:29:53SzczepancioJust asking.
15:33:13pamauryyes, trivial mostly
15:33:29pamaurybecause the hardware will be recognised as mass storage and not mtp
15:33:50pamauryyou can run it from a live disk for example
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15:48:59Szczepanciopamaury: VirtualBox is ok?
15:50:47pamauryshould be as long as you can "give" a usb device to the virtualbox. I know it works for windows in box and linux as host but I don't know for the converse
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15:52:09*Szczepancio trying it to make nwz-e470 recognized as mass storage.
15:52:16SzczepancioUnder windows, of course.
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15:58:35SzczepancioMeh, pamaury - i still don't know how device is named.
15:58:41SzczepancioIt will be under HID, yep?
15:59:14pamauryno, if you plug it normally it should list under storage or media device
15:59:28pamauryHID is only for recovery mode and this tool does not work with recovery mode
15:59:40Szczepancioah, understood, thanks :)
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16:02:23Szczepanciopamaury: got it, it was under "portable devices" (or like that, translated from polish).
16:02:40SzczepancioI managed to got it with e47x.
16:02:54SzczepancioI think I will try your tool under e38x.
16:03:12SzczepancioWhen you will post a scsitools for e470?
16:06:34pamaurylater, I have stuff to do right now, if you run it from linux though I can post a binary right away
16:10:36Szczepanciopamaury: save this link somewhere http://pastebin.com/jdmYj82x
16:10:57SzczepancioIt's a scsitools -i from the e380.
16:13:06pamaurySzczepancio: perfect, now can you run:
16:13:06pamauryscsitool -x firmware.sb
16:13:31pamauryit should extract the firmware and save it in a file called firmware.sb, then upload the file if it worked
16:16:51pamaurySzczepancio: would you mind rerun scsitool -i -c ?
16:17:07pamaury(the -c option disable color and will remove all those weird characters)
16:21:42SzczepancioRight. I don't wanna to hack e380, but if this will help community I can do these thing's.
16:22:13pamauryThat would be very useful for other users, since it is the only way to extract the firmware on this model
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16:25:34Szczepanciopamaury: http://pastebin.com/HRjLQNkm - scsitool -i -c H:
16:26:30Szczepanciopamaury: What is the best uploading site?
16:27:03pamauryI use dropbox since I have an account, otherwise any
16:27:08Szczepanciopamaury: In old times I was uploading everything at rapidshare, but that was many time ago. I don't know what is the easiest and the best site.
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16:28:22lebelliumHum looks like we have a parrot here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,43005.0.html ...
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16:43:31pamaurySzczepancio: I built the tool for the nwz-e470, I'm uploading...
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16:44:57pamauryhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/j5esti9we9tgnfw/scsitool-nwz.exe
16:45:20pamaurythis one a bit more complex, you can play with it but basically there is one very important command that you can run:
16:46:41pamauryscsitool-nwz.exe -c H: get_dnk_nvp kas
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16:50:16Szczepanciopamaury: The e380 FW https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3vhejvnw8ql3bj/firmware.sb
16:51:37SzczepancioAre you sure that it's get_dnk_nvp kas?
16:51:43SzczepancioIt's saying "unkown command".
16:51:52WaterHow much money would (any of you) want to change the Fuze+ button code like this: When the device is on hold, the Volume-Up key still works, but it's function is changed to Pause/Un-pause. (the key returns to volume up when not in Hold mode)...???
16:53:10Szczepanciopamaury: The e380 FW, again: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pv4hydsicr3it53/firmware.sb
16:53:50pamaurySzczepancio: let me see...
16:54:57Szczepanciopamaury: Oh sorry, third link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9odlgi9bgbs8itm/firmware.sb
16:55:09SzczepancioIt's working correctly in 100%. Sorry for spaming ;>
16:56:03pamauryWater: it is not a question of money but rather time, this is very low priority compared to other tasks and as such no developper like me had a look at it
16:57:07pamaurySzczepancio: this command works under linux for me, and I'm pretty sure I uploaded the correct file this time
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16:59:18pamaurySzczepancio: thanks for the firmware, I can decrypt it, good work :)
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16:59:32Szczepanciopamaury: It was so easy :D
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17:00:41pamaurywhat about the scsitool-nwz.exe ? What is the output if you just run it without any command ?
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17:02:46copperlol
17:02:52SzczepancioEhm, I was changing music, sorry.
17:03:17SzczepancioI must download it to my mp4, because I lose time at every change (about 15s).
17:04:18Szczepanciopamaury: http://pastebin.com/NdmG4u6a
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17:07:20pamaurySzczepancio: ok strange, what about this ? scsitool-nwz.exe -c H: get_dnk_nvp
17:08:28Szczepanciopamaury: My mistake
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17:08:39SzczepancioI wrote get-dnk-nvp instead of get_dnk_nvp.
17:09:46Szczepanciopamaury: http://pastebin.com/zPSirdEw
17:10:03pamauryweird
17:10:07SzczepancioI can paste it there, it's only one line, but... better if this will have copy at internet.
17:13:26pamaurySzczepancio: can you run these ones (replace "kas" by each of them): ser, ufn, ubp, rnd,
17:14:14SzczepancioRND is displaying 4 lines of FF's.
17:14:25SzczepancioSmall ff .
17:14:38Szczepancioser is displaying nothing.
17:14:50SzczepancioUfn: 00 04 00 20 02 6d 5e b4 ... .m^.
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17:15:39SzczepancioUBP will be interesing for you: http://pastebin.com/Nkx602cX
17:17:10pamaurystrange, it does not seem to match what I would expect, maybe it uses a slightly different protocol...
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17:18:56pamauryif you are highly motivated what you can do is this: for each number <n> between 1 and ~80, run:
17:18:57pamauryscsitool-nwz.exe -c H: get_dnk_nvp <n> 1024 1
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17:19:33pamaurythe tool comes with a default map (kas is a shortcut for 32 64 0 for example) but this map does not seem to apply to this device
17:21:17SzczepancioWrite 1 or <1>?
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17:23:21Szczepanciopamaury: My e470 device is under F: disk.
17:23:25SzczepancioH: is e380.
17:23:43SzczepancioStupid mistake, nothing more.
17:24:36pamauryah, I'm kind of relieved ^^
17:25:00pamauryif you are highly motivated the, you can try to run all possible commands of the tool
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17:33:36pamaurySzczepancio: what si the output on the E470 then ?
17:34:50SzczepancioI was disconnected for while, is something new? pamaury
17:35:18pamauryyou told us you run the command on the wrong device, or I misundertsood ?
17:35:37SzczepancioNo, I run command on correct.
17:36:02SzczepancioI knowed that you posted H: and I changed it to F:.
17:36:10pamaurydid you try to run the commands with all the numbers ?
17:36:14SzczepancioJust wrote it to told you that make mistake.
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17:42:04Szczepanciohttp://pastebin.com/NdhXUnbx There is 1/2 of it (1-40).
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17:47:05SzczepancioLol, my device crashed at 88 line.
17:47:08Szczepancio88 number*
17:47:16pamauryyeah, some commands might crash it
17:47:39pamauryhum I made a terrible mistake: the command is get_dnk_nvp <n> 1024 0
17:47:58pamauryotherwise the tool exact the amount of data to match perfectly, which explains the "Device didn't send the expected amount of data" lines
17:48:00SzczepancioShit!
17:48:33pamaurysorry, I don't know why I read the wrong line in the code
17:48:53SzczepancioOh, understood.
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17:56:38Szczepanciohttp://pastebin.com/YJJhWNws 1/2
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18:02:08pamaurygreat, so apparently I was right: the data is there just the map is different
18:02:33Szczepanciopamaury: http://pastebin.com/UUxAkFfz
18:02:35Szczepancio2/2
18:02:54SzczepancioDo it after 80?
18:03:09SzczepancioI mean, make more tries higher than 80?
18:03:32pamaurythanks. Probably not
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18:38:28Szczepanciopamaury: How work is going?
18:39:30pamauryon what ?
18:40:13SzczepancioYou know how to make anything with e470?
18:41:45pamaurynot right away, I only did preliminary work on the linux based nwz, the port is very far from done :-/
18:43:40SzczepancioMeh, sound's bad.
18:44:23Szczepanciopamaury: or... E380? How port is going?
18:45:04pamauryI need to disassemble the firmware a bit to see what is the situation, ask me in a week or so
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18:46:04SzczepancioOk.
18:46:44Szczepanciopamaury: Say what I can do for helping a e470 port.
18:46:47SzczepancioI have a time.
18:47:09SzczepancioBut I think you have much done work, that only you understood.
18:49:02pamauryfor e470 not much because these devices are pretty easy to brick and hard to recover without special tools, I wouldn't advise it at this point
18:49:12SzczepancioGot it.
18:49:26SzczepancioAnother question: Can I delete firmware.sb from my dropbox?
18:49:40SzczepancioIf it's really needed, I will save it here.
18:52:29pamauryyes, I downloaded it
18:54:34SzczepancioThank's :)
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19:16:14Szczepanciopamaury: Do you know state of iPod Nano 5G hacking?
19:16:37Szczepanciopamaury: Or it's unprofitable?
19:16:54SzczepancioI mean, it's hard to hack and nobody have interest in it?
19:17:13[Saint]both of those two, yes.
19:17:49[Saint]There's no exploit I'm aware of for this device.
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19:21:23SzczepancioI have this device too, it's nice, and it should be very nice to have rockbox or some software on it, too.
19:21:45[Saint]You have some software on it. :)
19:22:12copper[Saint]: is there a major difference between the iPod Classic and an iPod Touch?
19:22:27[Saint]Anyway - even if there /was/ a usable exploit, right now, its many, many hundred man hours work.
19:22:29copperas far as reverse engineering and porting Rockbox goes
19:22:55[Saint]copper: No.
19:23:12copperthough I suspect iPod Touch owner would not like to forego every iOS app just to run Rockbox alone
19:23:18copperowners*
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19:23:32[Saint]I was pretty much just typing that. :)
19:23:35copperhehe
19:23:41coppermy brain still works! \o/
19:23:49SzczepancioI mean software other than default :)
19:23:53Szczepanciocopper: XD
19:24:11[Saint]It wouldn't be terribly difficult to compile the playback engine for iOS and wrap a new UI around it and whack it up on cydia.
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19:24:30[Saint]Or, just as a commandline utility.
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19:24:57[Saint]But, ...iOS. Which approximately no one here cares about in the slightest.
19:25:30copperStrange… I've seen Android developers use iPhones as their primary phone.
19:29:19[Saint]That's certainly true, but the developer base here doesn't reflect this.
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19:48:21bluebrotherwtf ...
19:48:24bluebrotherremote: aborting due to possible repository corruption on the remote side.
19:48:36bluebrotheris this just me or are others getting that as well?
19:49:00bluebrotherBagder, Zagor?
19:49:53gevaertsI have that too
19:52:02bluebrotherouch
19:54:52funmangit fetch just gave me 27111d83be815602ac35354e6a8e4e158c5968f9
19:56:02bluebrotherhttp://pastebin.com/UNwMUtSC
19:56:24bluebrotherquite a bunch of errors :(
19:57:53funmanwhat's the most recent commit you have ?
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20:00:18bluebrother51ed6da
20:00:39bluebrotherI think that's the most recent clone
20:01:40funmanhttp://chui-pas.net/~fun/patches/
20:04:57bluebrotherah right, my buildclient has a more recent clone
20:07:42funmanif that makes a difference I run git version 1.8.3.4 (Apple Git-47)
20:08:50bluebrotherI'm on 1.8.1.4 and 1.8.3.msysgit.0 on the other box
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20:16:21bluebrotherok, works on the other machine with git 1.8.3.1
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20:27:36bluebrotherhmm, git 1.8.4.msysgit.0 doesn't work either
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22:03:25gevaertsHmmm
22:04:07gevaertsThe usual reply for request for a volume limiter is to use the EQ precut, I believe
22:04:27gevaertsHowever, that one doesn't do anything to the voice volume it seems
22:05:22gevaertsSo what is the *complete* answer to "I want a volume limiter!"?
22:06:01[Saint]"Use precut, and turn voice off" :)
22:06:14gevaertsIn this case, voice is essential
22:07:03[Saint]FWIW - I always *hated* the pre-cut argument to volume limitation, its fine if you already use the EQ, if not, it seems like overkill.
22:07:11[Saint]But, its all there is, so. :-S
22:07:27gevaertsespeak has a volume option it seems, do all TTS systems have that?
22:07:53[Saint]I believe so.
22:08:02gevaertsEasy to use? :)
22:08:17[Saint]RbUtil will let you mess with the gain when generating voice/talk files iirc.
22:09:23[Saint]I'm not really in a position to check that right now though.
22:09:30gevaertsI don't see that
22:09:35gevaertsWell, not for espeak anyway
22:09:43[Saint]Hum.
22:10:02*gevaerts asks bluebrother^ for help with this :)
22:10:23gevaertsThere's "volume" in the encoder settings
22:10:35gevaertsBut I don't think I can go *lower* than the default
22:11:09[Saint]Ah, right. My mistake, sorry.
22:11:57*gevaerts considers just adding a hard limit to this build...
22:12:16[Saint]really we need an "attenuate voice" option.
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