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#rockbox log for 2013-11-11

00:13:01 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
00:18:17lonoxmontcompile issue in debian, scripts want to use /usr/opt, only root can write there normally
00:18:48lonoxmontis possible to change the directory by editing the script, but its clunky and you have to manually add whatever you picked to your $PATH
00:19:05gevaertslonoxmont: I'm assuming you mean /usr/local?
00:19:22lonoxmontyeah that one
00:19:35gevaertsAnd no, you do not have to edit the script. You can just override those environment variables
00:19:53lonoxmontim too dumb to make that work, so i edit the script (。 ‿°)
00:19:57gevaertse.g. RBDEV_PREFIX=/tmp/idontneedthisforlong tools/rockboxdev.sh
00:20:47gevaertsAnd for the other thing, there is *no* place (or there shouldn't be, report bugs to your distro if there is!) in your default PATH that doesn't require root
00:21:55gevaertsSo just pick a place you like in your home directory, use RBDEV_PREFIX to tell the scripts about it, and set PATH in your shell startup files
00:21:58lonoxmontjust wondering if theres a reason why you dont just have all the compiler stuff spit out into a user controlled directory
00:22:25pamaurydamn it, it seems that Creative didn't think right from the beginning that storage could be >4GB so their values are stuck to strange values when it is the case, I don't know how to properly handle that now !
00:23:03gevaertslonoxmont: *which* user controlled directory? /usr/local/ is well-defined and always exists
00:23:30gevaertsAlso, there's quite a lot of precedent for software installing to /usr/local/
00:23:33lonoxmontgevaerts: i would just have it be somewhere in wherever the initial install script is run from
00:23:50gevaertsugh, no!
00:23:56*gevaerts wouldn't like that *at all*!
00:24:18gevaertsThat's *entirely* against what I'd expect
00:24:36lonoxmontah, then i guess the other projects ive dealt with have done it wrong
00:24:52lonoxmontsice you guys are the first project ive found that doesnt just pick one dir and do everything there
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00:25:22gevaertsYou can't just run toolchains from anywhere. They need to know where they are, which implies an "install" step
00:25:34gevaertsThis isn't a random helper binary. This is the *compiler*
00:25:59gevaertsYou'll note that rockbox *itself* isn't handled that way
00:26:08lonoxmontand a compiler cannot ever be run from any dir not owned by root?
00:26:14lonoxmontim just curious
00:26:23gevaertsAgain, YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE ROOT AT ANY STAGE!
00:26:28chrisjjAnyone else find flyspray Lost password is failing? I get "Notice: Undefined property: Swift_Transport_StreamBuffer::$_sequence in /home/apache_chroot/sites/rockbox.org/flyspray/includes/external/swift-mailer/classes/Swift/Transport/StreamBuffer.php on line 236"
00:29:02gevaertschrisjj: send an email to Zagor. (bjorn at haxx dot se). There are some issues with our flyspray installation and he's working on them, so he's the right person for this
00:29:17chrisjjOK, will do - thanks G.
00:29:40lonoxmontwell ill have to set up a dev environment anyhow as the box i was using blew up
00:29:52lonoxmonthopefully the changes are in whatever i pull down
00:31:21lonoxmonti just want my expensive thing to talk to my other expensive thing ( ≖‿≖)
00:32:37gevaertsIf you just want the latest IAP code, get a current development build
00:34:11lonoxmonteh, if changes need making to help with my oddball situation then its easier to do with a local dev environment, i would think
00:34:17lonoxmontthen again >lonox
00:34:19lonoxmont>thinking
00:34:37gevaertsOnly if you manage to set it up and use it properly
00:35:10lonoxmonti know im a moron
00:35:18lonoxmontbut the only way to get less dumb
00:35:21lonoxmontis to do things
00:35:29lebelliumpamaury: ok the E380 user manual is a copy paste of the E370 manual, except some minor translation fixes (at least in French) and AAC-LC support for E380. So I would say it's exactly the same player except a minor software improvement (AAC support).
00:36:39saratogawe also have a virtualbox image with the dev tools setup if you don't want to set them up locally
00:36:51saratogaI should really update it to a more current ubuntu version though
00:36:58pamaurylebellium: thanks for checking
00:37:36gevaertssaratoga: the problem isn't people not wanting to set up development tools, the problem is people asking questions about how to do it and then not reading the answers
00:37:43lonoxmontdesktop or server? i know ubuntu desktop seems to be going more and more stupid with each new release
00:38:07saratogaits the plain the desktop version
00:38:16saratoga400MB download, but it comes with all the tools and a GUI
00:38:29saratogathe annoying thing is stripping it down that small
00:38:40saratogai don't know much abotu ubtuntu so it takes me forever
00:40:26lonoxmontsaratoga: might be worth looking into another os, maybe debian or something
00:40:34saratogayeah probably
00:43:09saratogaso i'm the first person to update teh change log in 5 months
00:43:14saratogai'm sure we've had changes since then
00:44:10gevaertsOh, thanks. I'd forgotten about that!
00:44:23pamauryI knew it! Damn you Creative!
00:46:35lonoxmonthttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling needs updating, what i see in the installer isnt matching the website
00:47:47pamaurySo their file system correctly records the disk size (16GB) but their stupid partition table was obviously written for 32-bit stuff and thus reports a size of 16GB mod 4GiB which is 3GB
00:48:04pamaurybrilliant, absolutelt brilliant
00:50:19saratogalonoxmont: what needs updating?
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00:54:25saratogawe have a lot of new ports that aren't even mentioned on the front page or change long
00:54:27saratogalog
00:54:59pamauryyeah, I'm lazy
00:56:48saratogaadded some of the hifiman ports
00:56:53lebelliumYeah, it's quite impossible to find any NWZ wiki page if it doesn't appear in the latest pages :D
00:57:04saratogaare any of these new devices installable from rbutil?
00:58:50pamauryno
00:59:16pamaurywe need to extract the firmware from them, Sony doesn't provide any firmware upgrade
00:59:46pamauryand i'm not sure it's a good idea to distribute the firmware I extracted
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01:00:02saratogawhat about the rockchip ones?
01:00:02lebelliumsaratoga: I'm not quite sure why you mention the new targets in the major changes since v3.14 most likely won't support them?
01:00:17saratogawe traditionally mentioned when we got sound on a new device
01:00:25saratogawe just cut those out of the release change logs
01:00:32lebelliumah
01:00:37saratogaits major changes for the entire project
01:00:41saratoganot just releases
01:00:44lebelliumok :)
01:01:05saratogaits a little weird because we were doing it back before we were doing regular releases again with 3.xx
01:01:32saratogaback then we didn't even have stable targets, versioned releases, or anything :)
01:02:24saratogai think its important that we keep the major changes page semi up to date so that people have a way of knowing whats going on
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01:02:42saratoganot just users, but also our huge pool of mostly but not always idle contributors too
01:03:21lonoxmontsaratoga: the part where you select what arch to build for, at least thats the obvious thing
01:04:03saratogabecause a was removed?
01:04:09pamaurysaratoga: you're right, mentionning the new ports as major changes could be a good idea
01:04:26lonoxmonta was removed, another one was added but its scrolled away under lines of compiler messages
01:04:38saratogayeah we do a really bad job of letting the community know what we are up to
01:04:52saratogawhich makes us as a project a little inaccessible
01:06:10pamaurycould someone modify the front page to add Creative ZEN, ZEN X-Fi, ZEN Mozaic, Sony NWZ-E370 and E380 as unstable ?
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01:06:22pamauryor maybe unusable to be sure
01:06:32wowanameyay i'm using the onion
01:06:37saratogaemail one of the sweeds
01:06:42saratogaswedes
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01:07:03saratogait helps to commit it to git yourself first too
01:07:21lebelliumpamaury: I don't know who is Andrew Ryabinin but he added (SVG?) pics for HiFi E.T. Maybe he can help us for Creative and Samsung YP-R1?
01:07:22pamaurythe front page is in www/ right ?
01:07:37pamaurylebellium: that would be great !
01:08:13saratogayeah
01:08:16lebelliumit's really a shame the Creative and Sony targets don't show up in the build table
01:08:19saratogaAndrew is the Hifi porter
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01:08:42saratogai fixed the wiki
01:08:47saratogafor compiling that is
01:09:01saratogai also made it more clear that most users probably only want ARM
01:09:02lebelliumwhat's his nickname? is he here?
01:09:15pamaurylebellium: which build table ?
01:09:28saratogahttp://build.rockbox.org/
01:09:30saratogahere
01:09:31lebelliumpamaury: sorry I meant http://build.rockbox.org/.
01:09:32lebellium:)
01:09:50pamauryhum, they do in http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi
01:10:11pamauryI don't know how this page is generated
01:10:18saratogai think they need to be marked as unstable or something like that
01:10:25saratogathe table doesn't show some builds
01:11:29pamauryok I'm going to add some targets to the front page first
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01:12:22saratogaAndrew is "mortalis" btw
01:12:39saratogawho runs the gerrit tracker? Torne?
01:14:45lebelliumsaratoga: ok thanks. I'm not sure those are SVG pics though. I guess he only added small pics for the build table but I don't find any SVG pic for the user manual
01:15:21pamauryI made some (pretty ugly) bmp for the simulators, they can be used as a fallback
01:15:26saratogathere are probably SVG ones somewhere
01:15:29pamauryor maybe takes some pictures
01:15:32saratogaor at least vector right?
01:16:32saratogaalso we should probably update our gerrit
01:16:33lebelliumpamaury: well that would look weird next to all the other SVG pics
01:16:43saratogai see a bunch of "Urgent Security Patch" headings for much newer versions than we run
01:17:08saratogaplus the UI in the version we have is awful, hopefully the newer versions are better
01:18:10gevaertssaratoga: Torne and Zagor
01:18:49gevaertsIIUC Torne knows about a security issue, but he says it doesn't apply to our setup because we don't have repositories that aren't publicly visible
01:18:50saratogaat very least we should cahnge it to only show committs to rockbox
01:18:58saratogaand not the sandbox
01:19:01gevaertsWell
01:19:11gevaertsNot showing the sandbox, sure
01:19:40gevaertsBut I do want www, themes and translate there
01:19:50saratogathats reasonable
01:20:24saratogathe current build of gerrit is still pretty annoying though, like how theres no easy way to just see the whole file (at least that I can find) when looking at a patch
01:20:34saratogakind of hard to review a change if you can only see 5 lines above and below it
01:30:00pamauryDo I need to add the new targets somewhere and mark them as unusable ? I seem to recall with a file for this
01:30:39pamaurygevaerts: can you review g#659
01:30:42pamauryplease ?
01:31:05pamauryand maybe g#660 if you have a built-in html parser
01:31:32lebelliumtools/builds.pm?
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01:33:11lebelliumso yes maybe status must be 2 or 3 to get them showing up in the build table
01:33:57saratogaFWIW, its traditional that we mark a target as "unstable" or higher before adding it to the build table
01:34:09lonoxmontalright, compiled and zipped, now to put it on the ipod
01:34:13saratogaso that means at very least a wiki page and a binary of the bootloader available somewhere
01:35:08saratogapamaury: can you fix one of the wiki links when you update the front page?
01:35:24saratogahttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus#New_Platforms_Currently_Under_De should be changed to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus#New_Platforms_Currently_Under_Development
01:35:26pamauryYes, which one ?
01:35:30pamauryok
01:35:32saratogai think the wiki software update broke that
01:36:23lebelliumpamaury: don't forget the Sony players http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus :)
01:36:49pamauryDon't worry, just give time to this poor internet connection I have here
01:37:01pamaurysaratoga: g#661 looks ok ?
01:37:40saratogayeah looks good
01:39:32pamaurysaratoga: are you editing TargetStatus ?
01:39:38saratogayeah
01:39:41saratogagive me 30 seconds
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01:40:46saratogadone
01:40:58saratogai changed some of the text because we do technically support unstable devices
01:43:15pamauryI added the Sony NWZ to TargetStatus
01:43:22pamauryI'll add a few targets to tools/builds.pm too
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01:46:43saratogaFWIW, I'd be ok with doing a 3.14 sometime around christmas, since i'll actually have some free time then
01:46:52pamaurysounds good
01:47:12pamauryin the mean time I think I can add support for the ZEN X-Fi2 and NWZ-E360/E370
01:49:37saratogagreat
01:49:53saratogadoes anyone remember if thers a simple way to get the frequency response of an IIR filter from the poles and zeros?
01:49:58saratogabeen too long since i did this
01:51:40pamauryunfortunately not, I once knew how to compute the frequency response of a filter, but never did any signal processing course so I don't know what a IIR filter is ^^
01:52:18saratogaa filter with poles :)
01:52:22pamaurysaratoga: can you have a look at g#660 ? It's being late, I might make mistakes
01:52:30saratogayeah i think theres some simple algorithm but its been like 10 years
01:52:55saratogalooks good
01:54:50pamaurywhy do you want to do that btw ?
01:55:12lonoxmontwell it boots into rockboox, good sign eh?
01:55:24lonoxmontgonna go see if it works with the car now
01:56:04saratogawas thinking it would be neat to show what the EQ looks like in rockbox
01:56:57saratogahttp://cnx.org/content/m10548/latest/
01:57:00saratogahere we go
01:57:45saratogaugh how have i forgotten so much about complex analysis
01:58:54lonoxmontas expected, did not work
01:59:40lonoxmonti guess i will just have to use a 3.5 line from the hadphone jack to the line-in on the car
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02:00:36saratogayeah ok since we know the poles and zeros in the EQ code, we could probably just step through 128 frequencies, and compute the gain at each one using the algorithm in that link
02:00:37lonoxmontwould have been nice to have track control from the steering wheel but i guess thats the price of a firmware that respects muh freedums
02:00:56saratogaalthough this would involve me actually learning how to write a plugin which I've successfully avoided doing for about 8 years now
02:01:14saratogaor i guess even how to do GUI stuff in the core
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02:02:53saratogaI guess the most simple thing to do first would be a simple plugin that read in the EQ settings and then plotted the frequency response
02:02:54lonoxmontgevaerts: i can try grabbing the latest devbuild if you (probably rightly) dont trust my dev environment, see if that gets the ipod hookup in my car working
02:02:58saratogabringing that into the core might be a bit harder
02:03:18saratogaif you managed to compile it, you most likely have something no different than the latest dev build
02:03:31saratogadev builds are actually just compiled on users machines via our build system
02:04:24lonoxmontdang
02:04:51lonoxmontso i guess unless one of you happens into some money and buys an identical car to mine, it wont get support :(
02:05:21lonoxmontif i knew how to get the info you need to try and make it work id do it, fwiw
02:06:00saratogai guess probably by putting a lot of debug statements in the code and figuring out where the two devices stop talking
02:06:04saratoganever looked at IAP tho
02:06:18*[Saint] enjoys how other people always have to do things
02:06:24lonoxmontthey talk enough to charge at least
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02:06:51[Saint]Well, that's not related to IAP at all so its not surprising.
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02:07:50pamaury[Saint]: I always have something to do! It's just a matter of choosing which one!
02:08:31lonoxmont[Saint]: so who should i talk to about this? or is it just another "needs of the many" situation?
02:09:17[Saint]Basically, yourself.
02:09:26[Saint]You are in the ideal position to do something about this.
02:09:48[Saint]You have the hardware, you want it done.
02:11:43lonoxmontbut im an idiot, i wouldnt know where to start other than attempt to learn c
02:11:59[Saint]Well, that's a pretty good start. ;)
02:11:59lonoxmontand i guess google around and see if theres some kind of debugging unit to buy
02:13:05lonoxmontor i guess the quick fix of just buy a 3.5mm cable :/
02:13:55pamauryarf, people always have crazy bugs like "WPS crashes when I press select" and it works flawlessly for me
02:14:57[Saint]pamaury: unless its cabbie, I usually ignore such claims.
02:15:11[Saint]themes seem to be able to introduce a lot of variables they shouldn't be able to.
02:17:04pamauryyeah, themes seem to be quite a culprit but it's hard to solve them without any knowledge of the theme engine
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02:18:11pamaurywho can update the front page ? I guess there is Zagor ?
02:21:51lonoxmontso lets take this from another angle, is there any line out dock cables that are known to work with rockbox?
02:23:10saratogayeah, email badger or zagor and ask them to update the front page
02:23:20saratogaany line out cable should work, they're just passive devices
02:23:52lonoxmontand rockbox feeds teh audio to the right pins for it to work?
02:24:01saratogayeah i believe so
02:24:03saratogawhich ipod?
02:24:12lonoxmontipod video, so 5.5g
02:24:20saratogado we have code anywhere in rockbox for plotting something? i think generating a frequency response would be easy, but I'm not sure how to draw that in rockbox without it looking awful
02:24:28saratogaoh yeah that should work, that port is ancient
02:25:09saratogaFWIW line out == headphone out at 0dB in rockbox
02:25:34pamaurymaybe have a look at the plugins, I'm pretty sure with have a plugin plotting something, but it's probably done by hand
02:27:10saratogalooking through the manual nothing jumps out at me as having plots
02:27:23saratogai guess it wouldn't be too hard, although it might be a bit ugly
02:30:03pamaurysaratoga: fft plugin ?
02:30:13pamaurynot exactly plotting
02:31:33saratogayeah actually that might work
02:31:45saratoganot the style i was thinking of but probably just as good
02:32:04pamauryoscilloscope ?
02:34:58lonoxmontsaratoga: i hear the headphone amplifier circuit on my ipod is ass though, and the line out cable bypasses it
02:35:54saratogathats nonsense
02:36:01[Saint]pure nonsense.
02:43:41[Saint]I mean, its no iPod Classic - that's certain. But the output on some of these iPod deices is phenomenal.
02:56:29lonoxmontwell i guess i can alway just buy one of each and a/b test it
02:57:22lonoxmontits like 3bux for a cable, im not too worried
02:57:56lonoxmonti know im too dumb and not enough time in the world to learn c, so this is my option i guess unless someone wants to debug it without physically having it
02:58:02saratogaonly difference is that the headphone plug uses a more powerful buffer amp
02:58:13saratogaotherwise they're identical before that final stage
02:58:19K1773Rlonoxmont: if you say your dump to yourself, you will never get smart...
02:58:33K1773Rlonoxmont: especially if you refuse to change a thing ;)
02:58:41lonoxmontknow your limits and work within them
02:58:44lonoxmontdo one thing and do it well
02:59:16K1773Rexactly... thats not smart :S
02:59:20lonoxmontim smart enough to do my tech support job, and for what i dont know how to do i know enough people to connect them together to get whatever it is done
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03:00:33saratogalearning c is a lot of work for an 8 year old mp3 player unless you want to know anyway
03:01:27lonoxmontnot just learning c, i also would have to grok the entire project as a whole to make sure whatever changes i ended up making didnt brick everything else
03:02:15lonoxmontsince learning c as a first programming language is like being handed an 18-wheeler with no brakes and full throttle only and told to take grandma to the store
03:02:30saratogai learned c first
03:02:33saratogamost engineers do
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04:04:08*[Saint] really needs to go through and fix up the manual
04:04:14[Saint]It really is in a sorry state.
04:05:04[Saint]Can people please start PMing me or addressing me in the logs here with manual errors they find?
04:09:42*[Saint] wonders how the Playlist Catalogue even got committed.
04:09:52[Saint]...seriously.
04:15:55[Saint]Ok. I realize its supposed to be this way anyway, but, can we take a harsh stance on "Documentation or GTFO" from now on?
04:20:40*JdGordon knows the answer to that question!!!
04:20:41JdGordon:D
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05:26:01JJ_hello all
05:27:14JJ_so.... none of the buttons work on my ipod.... is there a way to setup rockbox to automatically start playing...
05:27:49JJ_since I have no way to browse or select anything I would need it to start playing soon as it boots up
05:28:55[Saint]This functionality doesn't exist, no.
05:29:28JJ_there's no config file I can edit to just start playing immediately when booted
05:29:29JJ_:/
05:29:40[Saint]No.
05:29:41JJ_darn...
05:29:53JJ_was hoping there was something so I don't have to trash this thing :(
05:30:11JdGordonwell almost
05:30:18JdGordonwhich ipod?
05:30:20JJ_well thank you for your help and time
05:30:23JJ_ipod video 30gb
05:30:37JJ_5th gen
05:30:39JJ_oldie but goodie
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05:31:05JJ_hm... i think some car stereos let you manage the ipod from the deck
05:31:13JJ_it works fine that way
05:31:14JdGordonnot so much with rockbox though
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05:31:20JJ_my brother has a deck that you can control it from
05:31:57JdGordonif you set the start screen to "resume playback" then all you need is to make the playlist (or start it) from a remote and oyu're good
05:32:16JJ_yeah maybe I can get a remote
05:32:17JJ_of some sore
05:32:18JJ_sort
05:32:26[Saint]if he had a remote he wouldn;t have any issues. :)
05:32:32JJ_exactly
05:32:32JJ_!
05:32:33JJ_:)
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05:32:39JJ_I just need to get a remote then hehe
05:33:17[Saint]It'd cost about the same to get a new iPod.
05:33:29JJ_nah some remotes are only like $10
05:33:40JJ_don't need anything fancy
05:33:51JJ_no need to take it on an expensive date
05:42:30JJ_it got quiet!
05:44:36[Saint]Nah...we're just talking about you in another channel.
05:44:46JJ_figures
05:44:53JJ_might as well
05:45:27JJ_I know this sounds dumb but if I want to reinstall itunes I just need to uninstall rockbox and then click "remove the bootloader"
05:45:32JJ_then itunes will find ipod again?
05:45:58JJ_trying to test something
05:46:15[Saint]iTunes can still use the device as it is.
05:46:21[Saint]There's no need to remve ROckbox.
05:46:32JJ_oh Itunes doesn't even show it exists
05:46:44[Saint]Are you booting the original firmware?
05:47:04[Saint]Oh - hahaha, guess you can't.
05:47:13JJ_hm...
05:47:40[Saint]Yeah, you're pretty screwed without any form of user control.
05:47:44JJ_dunno I just clicked to install booloader and rockbox
05:47:52JJ_how to reinstall itunes now?
05:47:59[Saint]I don't even think a remote would register early enough to be able to dual-boot, though its possible.
05:48:09JJ_hmm
05:48:41[Saint]"iTunes" wasn't ever removed. All you need to do is remove the bootloader and then reboot.
05:48:50[Saint]but, for you, even rebooting is a serious issue.
05:48:51JJ_i'll try that
05:49:12JJ_feel like i'm a rocket scientist here wow
05:49:30JJ_except i'm not the good kind
05:50:35JJ_rockbox utility doesn't have a reboot command...
05:50:39JJ_lol gotta remove the battery
05:51:04[Saint]"[17:48:50] <[Saint]> but, for you, even rebooting is a serious issue."
05:51:05[Saint]:)
05:51:41JJ_yes thank you for pointing that out :)
05:54:47JJ_not my day...... ok good news and bad news... pulled too hard and ripped out the connector the battery plugs into...
05:55:19[Saint]Time for that new iPod...
05:55:26JJ_good news got it back in place barely!
05:55:27JJ_haha
05:56:04[Saint]I know its unlikely, but if you have a heat gun or a reflow station you'd really want to make sure there's a proper connection there.
05:56:26*[Saint] has both of the above, but is almost certainly ina different locale.
05:56:29JJ_ya...
05:56:40JJ_too much work
05:56:53JJ_I have a few other ideas
05:56:57JJ_but a remote is one
05:57:10JJ_also I think there's a program you can control the ipod from your pc
05:57:12JJ_working on that now
05:57:26JJ_then maybe I can start it playing something... and hopefully it will continue....
05:58:20[Saint]No...I don't think so.
05:58:43[Saint]I know you can control media plaback on the PC using Rockbox, but, that requires working buttons.
05:59:00JJ_true...
05:59:35[Saint]The later model net connected i<device>es have remote applications.
05:59:41[Saint]But this isn't one of them.
05:59:41JJ_yeah
05:59:46JJ_and nope it isn't
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06:05:49JJ_trying to see what remotes actually control all the buttons... or work for all the buttons
06:06:10JJ_see one that works for all but the menu button... but I might need that one....
06:06:21JJ_tell me if im' too off topic
06:06:25JJ_I will leave you guys alone :)
06:09:36JJ_sweet my portable dvd player can control it :)
06:15:57JJ_anyways thanks for all your help guys Mainly Saint and JdGordon
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10:29:01mortalisZagor: Will you be able to upload bootloaders anytime soon?
10:30:39Zagorargh, yes. sorry again. :-( where are they?
10:31:01mortalishttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1nI4rgGNPbtQjFKeGxkUVQyR0U/edit?usp=sharing
10:32:58lebelliumhey mortalis. Are the HiFi E.T pics actually SVG pics? And if yes, would you have time to help pamaury for some Creative players SVG pics?
10:34:50Zagormortalis: done
10:35:03Zagorsorry for the delays
10:35:14mortalislebellium: no, it's just png pics I made from photos. Sorry, I couldn't help you with that.
10:35:23mortalisZagor: Thank you
10:38:33mortalisDo we have a flac codec expert?
10:39:21lebelliumAh so it's only a temporary workaround :( For the build table and the user manual you'll actually need SVG pics
10:54:25lebelliumZagor: could you update the front page?
10:56:05lebelliumthanks :)
10:56:06Zagorlebellium: done
10:57:31lebelliumnow we see the huge pamaury work :)
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12:52:42coppervery handy to quickly load different setups for different headphones or uses
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14:38:37copperWell, fuck.
14:38:51copperI managed to screw up my microsdxc card somehow.
14:39:39copperI can write to it with cp or dd, I can delete files, I can repartition it, all without errors, at normal writing speeds (15 MB/s). But the changes are never actually registered.
14:40:00copperWhen I remount the card, it's like I didn't do anything. All the original files are still there.
14:40:25coppernothing works, it's like it's read-only, except it's not, and all writing programs complete successfully.
14:40:42copperDoes anyone have any idea what the problem is?
14:41:16copperI tried using the card via the Fuze+, via the sdhc adapter, with two different card readers, same thing
14:41:38coppercan't actually write or delete anything
14:49:25*[Saint] giggles with glee at his combination of incredibly minimal config and solid state modified iPod Video
14:50:39[Saint]Using mp3 320, even though its not the mst efficient codec, with the config I'm using I squeeze out ever single bit of RAM I can and and up with a ~59MB playback uffer.
14:51:01[Saint]WHen it does eventually touch the disk to rebuffer it takes like a second.
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14:52:36[Saint]Huge bonus being enough space leftover to cram in a massive cordless phone battery. :)
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15:05:11pixelmabtw. I figured my problem this playlist viewer viewport out - I misread the explanation a bit about not having anything else in the viewport. I thought the %Vp things fill the viewport *below* the first appearance of %Vp, somehow missing that it would take the whole viewport even if I put something above that. So the tag info of the currently playing track that I also had in there was drawn above the first %Vp lines. Long story short: putting
15:05:12pixelmaeverything into its own viewport helped
15:06:14pixelma"drawn above" = drawn on top, "covering" the rest
15:07:15[Saint]ah.
15:08:14[Saint]I haven't used the playlist viewer much, I probably wouldn't have caught that myself.
15:12:01pixelmamy neither, I only had this idea with showing song title for skipping forward and back and the list appearance a bit similar to my foobar2000 setup - for my phone WPS (which really hasn't happened yet, just a bit of playing around)
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18:44:15n1sgevaerts: i had a thought about the volume limiter, it might be nice to have a special state for the volume hitting limit in the wps so you can easily see what's going on
18:44:48n1salso i have no idea how the wps stuff works so i dunno if that would be easy or hard to do :)
18:45:00gevaertsWell...
18:45:15gevaertsI *believe* technically you might already be able to do it
18:45:38gevaertsI mean, can't you read arbitrary settings these days, or am I dreaming that?
18:46:16gevaertsAnd if you can do that, it's merely a matter of checking if volume is limited and if so comparing two values
18:46:19gevaertsHmmm
18:46:20*gevaerts isn't sure now!
18:46:37n1sah that's neat
18:46:42gevaertsAh, yes, you can
18:46:52gevaertsPossibly not easily enough for casual themers though
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20:27:09xfiuserpamaury (logs) - trying to build mkzenboot and getting the following errors http://pastebin.com/AiH5HwiD
20:27:32xfiuserhow can I fix this or can you compile abootloader for me ?
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20:29:11pamauryxfiuser: wait a sec, I'm looing at your pastebin
20:29:17xfiuserthanks
20:29:43pamauryI cannot compile a bootloader right now, my internet connection at night is too bad to upload it here, I'll upload one tomorrow
20:30:12pamauryxfiuser: I see, you probably have a crazy compiler for which link order matters, give me a minute to find a fix
20:33:02pamauryhum weird, mkzenboot is using the standard makefile so there should be not problem :-/
20:33:07pamauryxfiuser: what is your system / compiler ?
20:33:31xfiusercompiler not sure but ubuntu 12.10 i think
20:34:05xfiuserI was able to make a build for the xfi ok jsut making mkzenboot doesn't work. even the bootloader built.
20:35:25pamauryxfiuser: can you edit rbuitl/mkzenboot/Makefile ? Replace the line "EXTRADEPS :=" by "EXTRADEPS := -lz"
20:37:17xfiuser-lz: No such file or directory make: *** [mkzenboot] Error 1
20:39:30maysaraHi, I have a Samsung YP-R0 player and I want to try to symlink microSD to internal memory
20:39:41maysaraI'd be grateful if anyone put me on the right track
20:40:48pamauryxfiuser: ok I need 5 more min to look at this, doing this without trying won't work ^^
20:41:54xfiusercool.
20:57:02pamauryxfiuser: ok, let's try a very ugly fix at first, revert the change I suggested, and edit rbutil/libtools.make, at line 111 replace "$(addprefix $(OBJDIR),$(EXTRALIBOBJS))" by "$(addprefix $(OBJDIR),$(EXTRALIBOBJS)) -z"
20:57:24pamaurybe sure to *not* replace the tabulations by spaces or you will break the makefile
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21:05:27pamaurymaysara: why do you want to do that ? I don't think this is possible if the file system of the microsd is FAT
21:06:01xfiuserpamaury: no joy.
21:06:01xfiuserCompiler creates posix binaries LD mkzenboot cc: error: missing argument to ‘-z’ make: *** [mkzenboot] Error 1
21:06:18pamaurysorry it's -lz and not -z, crazy typo
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21:06:52xfiuserseems to have built
21:06:54xfiuserthanks.
21:07:13pamauryok so that's a build a order problem as I expected, thanks for the report, I need to fix that
21:07:31pamaurydamn compilers, I thought in 2013 this would be problem solved
21:08:02xfiuserstephen@stephen-Aspire-6930G:~/Downloads/.rockbox/rockbox/rbutil/mkzenboot$ ./mkzenboot -i ZENXFI_PCFW_L22_1_04_08.exe -b bootloader-zenxfi.creative -o firmware.nk -t dualboot [INFO] MD5 sum of the file: C3 CD DF 84 68 D8 C8 98 2E 93 AA 99 86 C5 A1 52 [ERR] MD5 sum doesn't match any known file [ERR] Cannot determine model type Result: -4
21:08:25xfiuserusing the latest zenxfi download from creative.com
21:08:53pamauryah that's the american version I guess
21:09:37xfiuserill try another version
21:09:50pamaurytry the european version, 1.04.08e
21:09:58pamauryI'll add this one to the list in the mean time
21:11:08pamauryxfiuser: even better, can you wait 1 min so I push a change and you retry with this installer ?
21:11:10maysarapamaury: The file system for both internal memory and microSD is FAT, Why won't it be possible? I want to make the library include the content of the microSD
21:11:16xfiuseryeah
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21:12:08lebelliummaysara: you don't need that for the database
21:12:16lebelliumboth memories are merged
21:12:29pamauryxfiuser: in rbutil/mkzenboot/mkzenboot.c, insert this at line 175:
21:12:29pamaury{ /* Version 1.04.08 */ MODEL_ZENXFI, "c3cddf8468d8c8982e93aa9986c5a152", "1.04.08"},
21:12:37pamaurythen recompile mkzenboot
21:13:13pamaurybluebrother: ping
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21:14:24maysaralebellium: Sorry. I forgot to tell you that I'm using Firmware 1.25
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21:14:54lebellium.... you're on the rockbox chan ;)
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21:15:21lebelliumwe don't care about OF v1.25 here :)
21:18:07pamauryxfiuser: is it working now ?
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21:33:00xfiuseryeah pamaury works now. will test later on and give feedback tomorrow but i have the firmware.nk now. thanks for all your help.
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22:02:45lebelliumrasher: can something be done to fix the sim builds for Fuze+/Gigabeat/Onda? I secretly hope that would automatically add the YP-R0 to the table.
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22:45:25wodzpamaury: I confirmed on device that your atj scrambling/descrambling routine is correct.
22:46:42pamaurycool :)
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23:01:26wodz\o/ dumped 64k of rom and it actually makes sense :-)
23:03:15pamaurygood, is it useful or you already had it in the ATJ material ?
23:04:29wodzGeneral boot scheme is described in atj materials but I much prefer to confirm this in disasm.
23:08:16SrRavenThis may sound stupid, but whats a good modern day mp3 player that doesnt have a fcking touchscreen?
23:08:47pamaurySrRaven: touchscreen or touchpad ?
23:09:10SrRavenwork with gloves (Winter is coming!)
23:09:28pamaurywodz: do we know everything now on atj ? all the formats ?
23:10:38wodzpamaury: I don't understand the question
23:10:59pamaurydo we know everything abut boot scheme and formats of the firmware ?
23:11:07wodzpamaury: no
23:12:06wodzpamaury: I don't know what happens in flash loader and if we are able to inject code there
23:12:43pamaurySrRaven: clip zip, sony nwz-e360
23:13:03pamauryI assume you mean rockboxed
23:15:14pamauryif you allow second hand players, there are many more
23:24:16SrRavenmy clip zip is fcked
23:24:22SrRavenit wont ever charge to 100%
23:24:31SrRavenalways at like..25% max
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