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#rockbox log for 2013-11-13

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00:25:46lonoxmontandypotter: it appears to be using a custom cable, i think its called MEDIA-IN (stupid name imo)
00:26:31lonoxmontits a big chunky manypinned connector on the vw side, and a standard ipod connector on the other
00:26:45lonoxmontdoesnt appear to be usb
00:26:51lonoxmonti could be wrong though
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00:27:34JdGordondo we support the tall ipod nanos?
00:28:07JdGordongen5 nano
00:28:22gevaertsNo
00:28:49JdGordonthats a shame, the wife just found hers from a few years ago :p
00:28:53gevaertsStill the old lineup. 1g and 2g
00:29:05gevaertsStill with the non-working USB on the 2g
00:29:07lonoxmontoh, its called mdi cable i guess
00:29:12lonoxmontfucking inconsistent manual
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00:37:30lonoxmontandypotter: the vw part number for the cable i have is 5N0 035 554 B
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00:38:40lonoxmontits got some pretty heavy integration with the head unit though, so this isnt going to be an easy fix at all, but possibly it will improve other peoples lot who have similar head units
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00:52:18MarcAndersenHi. I see that something should be ready now for my zen x-fi. Can someone guide me through installing?
00:53:12gevaertsYou'll need pamaury for that, but I don't know if he's still awake
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00:57:37MarcAndersenthe biggest problem is the recovery menu. I am blind and as such I can't read where the correct option is
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01:04:44dfktis it just my newly set up system, or is building RAAA generally quite outdated and needs lot of fixes to build without errors?
01:05:33gevaertsI don't think it needs a lot of fixes. I'd say one or two should do it :)
01:06:02gevaertsThe problem I'm aware of is that newer android sdks dropped some of the scripts we're using
01:06:16dfktwell, i had to hunt down the old 4.4.3 arm-eabi, had to find a source of the apkbuilder script, some 4-5 symlinks, and a few changes in /app/action.c
01:06:17dfkt:)
01:06:39gevaertsBy "aware of", I mean I know there's an issue :)
01:07:01dfktyeah, the issue is mainly in the sdk, shuffling files/folders around, and ditching some stuff
01:07:51dfktbut it seems i just did a successful build on debian x64, with latest sdk and ndk
01:10:36dfktjsut pushed it... yep, it works :)
01:13:52lonoxmonthmm, im betting theres no public pinout for this adapter cable
01:14:21lonoxmontgues sill have to get a 30pin breakout and map it to the vw side
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01:21:22lonoxmonttheres definitely more than 4 pins hot though, so im pretty sure it isnt usb
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01:50:58dfktmy android thing has that nasty bug that when the backlight turns off while rockbox is the active app, it won't turn on again - only a reset or adb reboot helps
01:51:12dfktwould action.c and/or buttons.c be the place to look for a fix?
01:51:44dfkt*button.c
01:54:28JdGordonhaha lovely
01:54:32JdGordonhow does that happen?
01:54:50dfkti have no idea... on two other android things it works fine
01:55:26dfkton this one (galaxy tab 7.7) it never wakes the backlight, no matter if stock firmware, CM, PAC, whatever
01:56:23dfktwhen those lines are commented out in action.c, it builds, when not, the following error ensues: http://pastie.org/8476218
01:56:36dfktand i guess that's the issue right there
01:57:17dfkt(i just had to comment them out right now, on my new setup, on my old machine it built fine with those lines in, but the results were the same)
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02:01:26JdGordonwtf is set_backlight_on_keypress_oracle()?
02:04:54dfktaction.c is Copyright (C) 2006 Jonathan Gordon.. you better ask him ;)
02:05:59JdGordonThat function sure aint one of That Crazy Clown's
02:06:09dfktweird indeed
02:07:58dfktdid another git pull, and the oracle went away
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02:11:56dfkti never touched that file... well, it built fine.
02:12:35dfktbut still no waking up of the screen, ffs
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02:24:58[Saint]JdGordon: ...Wile. E. Coyote is a committer?
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02:25:37JdGordonhe may have slipped through the real name policy?
02:25:39[Saint](if anyone gets that, well done)
02:35:30[Saint]Oh. Heh.
02:35:46[Saint]So...the E380 *is* just a rebranded E370.
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11:46:42pamauryMarcAndersen: hi
11:47:41pamaury[Saint]: yes it appears so, but we need to test on target to be sure
11:48:01[Saint]pamaury: were you so stuck in RE mode you missed it?
11:48:30pamaurymissed what ?
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11:59:13pamaury[Saint]: except if you have some information I don't have, I don't know how you could tell for sure this is the case
11:59:45[Saint]I don't...I'm going entirely from information you have given.
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12:00:15[Saint]I was given the impression that for now at least you were fairly convinced they were one in the same.
12:01:19[Saint]Which made me wonder how that happened, since (afaik) they were both being reversed at approximately the same time.
12:01:40pamauryI reversed the E370 way before the E370
12:01:42pamaury*E380
12:02:24[Saint]Ah - I see. I got the impression they were fairly close to each other, relative to time.
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12:03:10pamauryI disassembled the E370 a few weeks ago already. I only gave a shot at the E380 last week end and it was pretty obvious from the code that it was the same: same lcd, same pins, (same crap)
12:04:42pamauryIt is just that I created the forum thread and wiki pages approximately at the same time ^^
12:14:43lebelliumpamaury: some typos: E360port "The point of the recovery procedure is too reinstall" E360: "The Sony NWZ-E370 features 11 hardware buttons"
12:15:04lebelliumhum bold fail
12:15:23lebelliumI wanted to highligh "too" and "E370"
12:16:47pamaurylebellium: thanks, will fix that
12:16:59pamaurylebellium: do you have a E380 ?
12:17:36lebelliumNope. Not sure it's worth buying it since it's worse than my E360. I rather consider buying some E4xx series
12:18:00pamauryyeah you're right
12:18:46pamaurywhich E4xx do you have ?
12:19:10lebelliumfor now none
12:19:32lebelliumBut I'm looking for a cheap 8GB Sony player.
12:19:45lebellium4GB on my E360 is not enough
12:20:05pamauryyeah, no micro-sd port is really bad
12:20:44*[Saint] simply couldn't go back to "conventional" flash storage.
12:21:09[Saint]Unless someone makes a very high capacity Rockboxable device in the near future, which I doubt.
12:21:41pamauryyou have 64GB sd cards now ;)
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12:21:59[Saint]That's still a quartar of what I'm used to. :)
12:22:09[Saint]*quarter, even
12:22:18pamaurywe need a player with four micro-sd ports then :D
12:22:24[Saint]:)
12:22:25lebelliumdo you think only the E440 can be handled or a more recent model like the E470 could be too?
12:23:33[Saint]Maybe I could get a uSD RAID card and a string of adapters to turn MSATA into uSD? :)
12:23:42pamaurylebellium: E440 is imx233 based but unfortunately it uses raw NAND (instead of eMMC) and I haven't reverse the FTL
12:24:22lebelliumarf
12:24:24pamaury[Saint]: I think on principle you could have a msata to µsd adapter but I wonder where you would put the ssd then ^^
12:24:36[Saint]Huh...uSD RAID cards are actually disturbingly cheap.
12:25:00[Saint](likely sue to being crap, and really, really weird)
12:25:28[Saint]pamaury: duct taped to the player - no larger than my personal amp. :)
12:25:59pamaurywoa, didn't know it existed ^^
12:26:21pamaurylebellium: E470 is based on linux, awful similar to E460 it seems
12:26:28[Saint]I found them about a year ago, but they weren't this cheap back then.
12:26:38[Saint]And I still think the same as I did then; "why?"
12:26:55pamauryyeah, why, why would you want to do that ?!
12:28:07lebelliumpamaury: the E470 looks very different from the E460. I don't know inside though
12:28:45pamaurythey are both based on linux and I think it is safe to think we can handle most if not all sony nwz linux players at once, at least the recent ones
12:29:00pamaurylebellium: just to be clear, I have a lot of interest in reversing the FTL (because of E440 and Zen X-Fi2) but it's huge task really
12:29:45lebelliumI can imagine. But on the X-Fi 2 there is a sd slot as workaround right
12:30:23pamaurywhen I had a look at how it's implemented on the E460, it was obvious that they put some effort into abstracting the hardware so that their software is independent of the actual player. That way they can sell you more crippled players :-/
12:35:18pamaurylebellium: so at the moment, the best you can do would be to find a very cheap E460 so that I can do the port and you test it/help me. And when it's more ready, you buy more expensive linux based players
12:36:51lebelliumyeah, the only problem is "cheap" :D Look, 35€ for 4GB :S http://www.leboncoin.fr/image_son/554482847.htm?ca=12_s
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12:41:58pamaurylebellium: http://www.leboncoin.fr/image_son/561214551.htm?ca=12_s, don't know the model though
12:42:23pamaurylebellium: E470 brand new, 8GB: http://www.leboncoin.fr/image_son/560426011.htm?ca=12_s
12:43:19lebelliumthe 1st one could be a E454
12:43:26[Saint]pamaury: if you need the(se) device(s), can The Fund not compensate you for them?
12:44:06[Saint]I realize lebellium will probably buy this device (and every other in existence) anyway, but, you could get your own.
12:44:16lebelliumlol
12:44:32lebelliumI already told him to ask for the fund
12:44:40lebelliumhe deserves it
12:44:48[Saint]Certainly.
12:44:58pamaurylol yeah, I should probably ask the fund to give a little money back for the Creative players I bought
12:49:55lebelliumok I ask for the €40 E474. It's tempting^^
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12:50:28pamauryindeed
12:50:44pamauryif you don't I will :p
12:51:18lebelliumbut 40€ + shipping costs could be the same as 50€ in Paris http://www.leboncoin.fr/image_son/567789275.htm?ca=12_s
12:52:04pamaurygood point, is this one 8GB ?
12:52:13lebelliumyes, both are 8GB
12:52:37lebelliummaybe one for you, one for me :D
12:53:25pamaurypikc the one on Paris then, since I'm abroad, I'll need the seller to send it by post anyway
12:54:50lebelliumok, first I will see what the guy from nantes says about shipping and payment method
12:55:01lebelliumI let you know
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13:30:05lebelliumwhat's the difference between "button code" and "prereq button code" in keymap-nwz?
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13:31:13[Saint]iirc, the prereq things are things like "button does foo, but only when bar is held"
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13:34:13pixelmaI think it's more like if "blah happens or is true before", which could be holding another button before or together but it's also used to separate long or short button presses IIRC
13:35:38lebelliumfor example I see
13:35:40lebellium" { ACTION_STD_OK, BUTTON_PLAY|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_PLAY },"
13:38:41lebelliumI'd like to fix the E360 keymapping since pamaury seems to be short of time but this looks a bit difficult to me. Sometimes the "prereq button code" is "BUTTON_NONE" and sometimes it's the same as the "button code"
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13:40:33lebelliumand I don't understand "BUTTON_REL" either. "Button release"?"
13:45:49pixelmayes, button release. If you have an action on a long press of a button (with BUTTON_REPEAT) and one for a short press of the same button you have to make sure that a long press doesn't trigger both
13:45:56pixelmathat's what it is used for
13:48:01lebelliumok
13:48:07pixelmaI forgot the details a bit though :\
13:48:38lebelliumthe prereq button code is still unclear to me though
13:52:23lebellium"if there's no need to check the previous button's value, use BUTTON_NONE"
13:52:31lebelliumthat should help me to understand
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13:56:56lebellium{ ACTION_WPS_PLAY, BUTTON_POWER|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_POWER } -> here I understand that first button_power needs to be check to know if it's on play or pause status.
13:56:57lebellium { ACTION_WPS_SKIPNEXT, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_RIGHT } -> But here I don't understand why it's needed. Why not BUTTON_NONE?
13:57:43[Saint]fastforward, sweetie. :)
13:58:05[Saint]need to check if its a skip or a seek.
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14:00:15pixelmathere probably is an action with BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REPEAT - as [Saint] says probably seek forward
14:00:43lebelliumthere is " { ACTION_WPS_SEEKFWD, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_NONE }
14:00:51lebelliumbut why this one doesn't need to check then?
14:06:19pixelmathere are also some inconsistencies in the code, I remember them too. I'm not sure but the latter is probably correct whether you have BUTTON_NONE or BUTTON_RIGHT as prerequisite or not. The first is necessary so that you don't skip forward if you release the button after seeking, I believe - so in this case necessary. Unfortunately my memories are a bit blurry about this now
14:08:04pamauryI don't remember either, I think you can put BUTTON_NONE or BUTTON_RIGHT in the case of a repea
14:08:05pamauryt
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14:10:10pamauryso basically the rule of dumb is:
14:10:10pamaury1) want some action on release of X -> { ACTION_xxxx, BUTTON_X | BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_X}
14:10:10pamaury2) want some action on repeat of X -> { ACTION_xxx, BUTTON_X | BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_NONE}
14:10:10DBUGEnqueued KICK pamaury
14:10:10pamaury3) want some action on press of X -> {ACTION_xxx, BUTTON_X, BUTTON_NONE}
14:10:11[Saint]button_right/left needs to be the prereq for seeking, no?
14:12:45pixelmawell, if you are already detect the button repeat, the button must have been pressed before, no? I think that's implicit
14:12:57pixelma*detecting
14:14:48pamaurylebellium: just inspire from the other keymaps and everything should go well :)
14:15:19[Saint]and when inspiration fails, c/p.
14:15:43[Saint](cut and paste...not the other kind, that'll get you arrested)
14:17:46MarcAndersenpamaury: I am here now if you could help me with that zen x-fi.
14:18:38pamauryMarcAndersen: about the zen x-fi, you will need voice files I guess but I don't know how to generate them
14:19:13[Saint]RbUtil can do it.
14:19:47MarcAndersenis there a dev build of rbutil which contains the x-fi?
14:19:51pamaurycan it for unusable targets ?
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14:20:39[Saint]I was under the understanding it didn't need to take target staus into account and just looked for the lang files on the device.
14:20:48[Saint]*status
14:21:16MarcAndersenoh, maybe. that would be so cool
14:22:44[Saint]pamaury: it definitely can for the Classic, but that was added as a special case.
14:23:04pamauryok, let me try with my zen x-fi and dev build of rbutil
14:23:10[Saint]To do so I think one might have to lie to RbUtil a little and say its another device in order to give it a mountpoint to work with.
14:24:08MarcAndersenmaybe this is a stupid question, but why do you call the x-fi unusable when it can run rockbox?
14:24:10pamauryhum, actually I think RbUtil doesn't even know about the zen x-fi yet
14:24:48pamauryMarcAndersen: we have three status for targets: stable, unstable and unusable. Targets usually start in unusable
14:25:37MarcAndersenok
14:26:27[Saint]It basically means "Hey, normal users - don't use this unless you know exactly what you're doing, or are doing so under supervision"
14:27:10[Saint]A slightly veiled way of saying "You might possibly have a very bad time using this"
14:27:34pamauryMarcAndersen: for now there are two majors issues: you cannot really dual-boot, and you cannot charge (you need to use recovery mode to charge)
14:27:47pamauryand you will loose all your files currently on the device
14:27:56[Saint]pamaury: is there frequency scaling yet?
14:28:13pamauryno, so battery life is probably not great either
14:28:20CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
14:28:20*[Saint] nods
14:28:39[Saint]I recalled tht being an issue, but I've missed a bit of recent development.
14:28:51MarcAndersenmy x-fi is already empty
14:29:11pamauryit works on imx233/stmp3780 but not on stmp3700 yet, I just need to do the work
14:29:31pamaury[Saint]: so you say I should trick Rockbox Utility into thinking it's another device ?
14:29:39MarcAndersenwhich chip does the x-fi use?
14:30:02[Saint]pamaury: assuming it works the way I think it does, that should suffice yes.
14:30:18pamauryMarcAndersen: stmp3700
14:30:37[Saint]I don't think it cares about the device, but you need to specify a device type to give it a mountpoint iirc.
14:31:12MarcAndersenok. should we try to install the bootloader on mine?
14:32:08pamauryjust trying the voice files first, give me a minute
14:32:21MarcAndersenpamaury: sure
14:33:08pamauryI have selected sansa e200, creating voice files...let's see if it works
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14:35:50pamaury[Saint]: I created the voice files but now it won't let me install them, claiming the rockbox on my device is a development version
14:36:34[Saint]Oh. Crap. Well, that was unexpected. Do they sit in the cache?
14:38:09pamaurycannot find them, strange
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14:39:06pamaurybluebrother: here ?
14:39:16pamaurylet's ask our RbUtil expert
14:39:40pamauryah wait
14:39:45pamauryin fact it installed them
14:40:09pamauryso "create voice files" actually mean "create and install voice files", nice to know
14:40:20[Saint]Possibly-premature-Huzzah!
14:40:21lebelliumpamaury: ok I successfully changed the keymap. Only the volume in SBS doesn't work I don't know why. Maybe because of "#ifdef HAVE_VOLUME_IN_LIST" ?
14:40:50pamauryMarcAndersen: ok it works :)
14:41:02MarcAndersenpamaury: great!
14:41:04[Saint]Actual-Huzzah!
14:41:37[Saint]I was fairly certain I had used the "trick RbUtil" method before, but not certain enough to say "this will definitely work"
14:41:50[Saint]Its nice when ones memory isn't wrong for a change.
14:42:01pamauryhowever I don't know it does voice files and directories, maybe you know that ?
14:42:09pamaury*I don't know how it
14:43:10MarcAndersenThat's no problem. I just need to get rockbox installed, the voice stuff I should be able to work out
14:43:16pixelmafor directories and file names there should be "create talk clips" or somesuch. There's also the option to have them spelled out which works if you have a voice file installed
14:43:19[Saint]isn't there a "create .talk clips" thing in accessibility section?
14:43:28[Saint]Or am I parsing the question incorrectly?
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14:44:02pamauryah yes
14:44:02pamauryok, let's go then ^^
14:44:03pamauryMarcAndersen: are you using Windows ?
14:44:35MarcAndersenpamaury: if we need to use rbutil, then yes because that is not accessible on anything else
14:44:48[Saint]that's untrue.
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14:45:13[Saint]It runs on all major flavors.
14:45:45[Saint]...
14:45:50MarcAndersensorry, i mean for screen reader users, we call that as being accessible, sorry.
14:45:57[Saint]Suddenly I get the sense I parsed that incorrectly.
14:46:04[Saint]Ah.
14:46:54copperNote to self: don't mention to SanDisk tech support that you're using a SanDisk microsdxc card with a SanDisk DAP that doesn't officially support it.
14:47:36[Saint]...because they might want to know how, and then tell you to GTFO when they find out? :)
14:47:43copperat some point, running Rockbox becomes "obvious" and "normal"
14:47:47pixelmaI think the Utility is supposed to be accessible on all systems but doesn't work the same with the different screen readers
14:47:59copper[Saint]: I got off easy, they only told me that I shouldn't do it :D
14:48:30[Saint]Remind them of the pitch bug, say they owe you.
14:48:36[Saint]:)
14:48:38copperlol
14:49:24lebelliumpamaury: can you have a look at https://www.dropbox.com/s/53u3qgqqq8o7xvr/keymap-nwz.c :)
14:50:07pamauryMarcAndersen: you need to download three files: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zh6h6oetw85zog0/firmware-zenxfi.nk
14:50:25pamauryhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/9vwc4qdyh0c6e0p/sendfirm.exe and https://www.dropbox.com/s/t96injmo9d2jhgt/MTP_DLL.dll
14:51:17pamaurylebellium: thanks, I'm going to check that, can you briefly explain what you did/change/add ?
14:54:11MarcAndersenpamaury: got them.
14:54:23lebelliumplay/pause > play button instead of power. Short press on power: quickscreen (added). Long press on power: context menu (changed). Short press on back: browse (changed). Long press on back: home menu (changed). Volume up/down: up/down + volume up/down (added). But volume doesn't work in SBS I don't know why.
14:55:14pamauryMarcAndersen: now you need to enter recovery mode on the zen x-fi. The only bulletproof way to do that is to use a paper clip/pen to press the reset button, then hold the play button and slide the power button (while holding player)
14:56:17lebelliumpamaury: you should check if it works with E370 too since this one has no volume buttons
14:57:23pamaurylebellium: what do you mean by volume doesn't work in SBS ?
14:57:28pamauryyou mean in WPS ?
14:57:32lebelliumno
14:58:10lebelliumin WPS it works but in SBS it doesn't work, maybe because you did not define: HAVE_VOLUME_IN_LIST
14:58:15[Saint]That's only for targets with dedicated volume keys (ones that don't chare any other action) or touchscreens.
14:58:23[Saint]*share
14:58:36lebelliumwe know that [Saint] :)
14:59:13pamauryDidn't I define HAVE_VOLUME_IN_LIST for the E360 ? Pretty bad overlook
14:59:28lebelliumI used the same keymap as for Fuze+ (also has dedicated volume buttons) so since it doesn't work, it's probably because of the lack of HAVE VOLUME
14:59:36[Saint]I thought lebellium said he tried enabling that, my mistake.
14:59:44[Saint]No, it won't work without that defined.
14:59:53[Saint]Nor should it.
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15:00:06lebelliumI don't see it here pamaury http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=firmware/export/config/sonynwze360.h
15:00:17pamauryindeed one needs to be care with keymap-nwz because it handles both E360 and E370 which has not dedicated volume keys; ok sorry for that
15:01:00lebelliumI don't know if a conditional is used or if the E370 will simply skip my decicated volume buttons-related lines
15:01:06lebelliumyou should double check
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15:01:17pamauryyou have to use a conditional because it will not compile on E370
15:02:01MarcAndersenpamaury: how do i know if it's in recovery?
15:03:15lebelliumah indeed "/home/ubuntu/rockbox/apps/keymaps/keymap-nwz.c:68: error: ‘BUTTON_VOL_UP’ undeclared here (not in a function)". So I let you add the conditionnal before commiting the new keymap^^
15:05:39pamauryMarcAndersen: well, you cannot tell for sure unfortunately
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15:06:18MarcAnderseni first pressed reset, then held play while sliding power, correct?
15:06:26pamauryyes
15:06:34MarcAnderseni've done that now
15:08:12pamauryok assuming you are in recovery mode, it is a menu with four options: Clean Up, Format All, Reload Firmware, Reboot. So you need to press down three time, press select, it will ask you for confirmation, press up once to go to Yes and then press select
15:08:49pamauryIt usually takes a few seconds to erase firmware and then you are back to the menu. At which point you can connect it your computer
15:09:19MarcAndersenisn't it 2 times, or does it start above the first option?
15:09:26pamauryyeah sorry
15:09:37MarcAndersenok, doing it now...
15:11:51pamauryactually it is not entirely true, there is one way to distinguish between recovery mode and OF: if you plug the device in OF, it will give you a proper disk with 4/8/16 GB storage, whereas if you plug in recovery mode, it will not show up as a disk or as a very small disk (~60MB)
15:12:14MarcAnderseni connected it, and there is a creative zen x-fi under portable devices in device anagement
15:12:17pamaurybut you'll agree that's not a very convenience way...
15:13:11pamauryok, now make sure the sendfirm.exe and MTP_DLL.dll files are in the same directory. You need to use the command line promp (cmd.exe), and run "sendfirm.exe firmware-zenxfi.nk"
15:13:24MarcAndersenyes! it is 60 mb!
15:13:48pamauryperfect ! I wasn't sure Windows would display this information but apparently it does
15:14:34MarcAndersenbut it is not a drive letter, it is still a portable player
15:14:43MarcAndersenshould i still do it?
15:14:50pamauryyes, that's normal in recovery mode
15:14:59MarcAndersenok, doing it now
15:15:50pamauryUpload will take as long as one minute, if I remember correctly the windows tools has a progress indicator but it shows unreliable figures
15:16:40pamauryOnce it is uploaded (sendfirm.exe might report an error but ignore it), it will take possibility a few minutes to upgrade on the player itself and then it should reboot by itself and show up as a mass storage device if everything went well
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15:17:43pamauryIf after a few minutes nothing seem to happen, press reset; sometimes booting into rockbox from the recovery mode in unreliable
15:18:31MarcAndersenwow! it comes up asking if i want to format the disk
15:18:50pamauryperfect, you should say yes
15:19:06pamaurymake sure to use FAT and not NTFS
15:19:14pamaury(if you have a choice)
15:19:21MarcAndersenfat32 or exfat?
15:19:36pamauryfat32
15:20:16MarcAndersenwhat about the sector size or what it's called in english, it is on 4096 byte, is that ok?
15:20:54pamaurythat must be cluster size, the default value should do, it's not crucial
15:21:32MarcAndersennow it's formatting
15:22:32MarcAnderseni made a full format, it takes some time
15:27:01MarcAndersenit's going to take about 20 minutes
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15:45:56MarcAndersenok, it's finally done. what now?
15:47:32pamaurynow you need to install a nightly build of rockbox: download http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-creativezenxfi.zip
15:47:46pamauryand unpack it at the root of the drive
15:48:27pamauryif later you want to upgrade rockbox, you just need to redownload and unpack it again, you don't need to change the bootloader (or only very rarely when we release new bootloader versions)
15:49:36MarcAnderseni have unpacked it
15:50:10pamauryyou should have a folder called ".rockbox" at the root of the drive now, correct ?
15:50:17MarcAndersenyes
15:50:18[Saint]probably best to avoid updating if voice strings are going to change, no?
15:50:37[Saint]At least until there's official support (without trickery) for this device in RbUtil.
15:50:55pamauryvoice strings don't change very often anyway, but yeah it's safer to recreate them on update
15:51:25pamauryMarcAndersen: now you need to download Rockbox Utility, the latest stable version should do
15:51:42MarcAndersenand create voice files for the e200?
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15:53:11pamauryyes, in the UI select any stable device like the e200, select the correct mount point and in the "accessibility" panel, press create the voices
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16:01:32MarcAndersenthe voice has been created, and is 2112 kb
16:03:25MarcAndersenshould i disconnect the player?
16:03:37pamauryyes
16:05:30MarcAndersenit didn't say anything after i disconnected it
16:05:57pamaurythe speaker is not hanled, you need to use the headphones
16:06:00pamaury*handled
16:06:17MarcAndersenwill it be at some time?
16:06:43MarcAndersenguess what, it speaks! yeeeeees!
16:07:16pamauryyes it will, since speaker is low priority (rather poor quality) I haven't done the work to support it yet. Good :)
16:08:07MarcAndersenand you said i couldn't charge it in rockbox, how do i then get to and from charging mode?
16:08:40pamauryyou charge, enter the recovery mode: shut down rockbox, hold play and power on, then plug usb
16:08:46pamaury*to charge
16:08:59[Saint]Ohhhh - that's nasty.
16:09:10pamaurybe sure to plug usb *after* power on, you cannot enter recovery mode if usb is plugged
16:09:25MarcAndersenand how do i get back to rockbox?
16:09:26*[Saint] stops typing a variant of the above.
16:09:42pamauryunplug and power off (slide power of a few seconds)
16:09:48pamaurythen power on normally
16:10:04pamaurycharging is definitely the most outstanding issue at the moment
16:10:17[Saint]Does the unit charge while powered down?
16:10:22pamauryno
16:10:22[Saint](I know some do)
16:10:29[Saint]AH, bummer.
16:11:24MarcAndersenwow! do you know when you will make the speaker? what was my biggest reason of moving from my clip zip
16:11:30MarcAndersenthat was*
16:11:31pamauryMarcAndersen: just one very important detail, charging is not implemented and battery readout is not calibrated so I advise you recharge regularly just in case, because if you reach a very low battery level, you might not be able to enter recovery mode easily
16:11:59pamauryhum, I can have a look at it tonight, in theory it is easy to add
16:12:30MarcAndersenanyway, will it require a new bootloader?
16:12:41pamauryno
16:12:49MarcAndersenok. nice.
16:21:02MarcAnderseni just shut it down and now it will not start up again
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16:24:08pamauryMarcAndersen: try reset ?
16:25:38MarcAndersenthat worked, i'm so stupid
16:26:36pamauryI noticed that after booting from recovery mode, strange thing happen. In normal circumstances though, nothing start strange should happen. else reset is your friend ^^
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16:39:44MarcAndersenis it correct that the zen x-fi is in recovery and charging when there is a creative zen x-fi under portable devices?
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16:40:57pamauryMarcAndersen: yes
16:41:47MarcAndersenpamaury: thanks for all your help! i am so happy that I didn't sell my x-fi
16:43:21pamauryyou're welcome, thanks for trying :)
16:43:42MarcAndersenoh, will the charge thing require a new bootloader?
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17:02:38pamauryMarcAndersen: only to charge in the bootloader, but not to charge in rockbox itself
17:02:38pamauryso eventually yes, but in the short term
17:03:18MarcAndersenok
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17:35:51Szczepanciopamaury: how to install bootloader into e380?
17:36:05Szczepanciopamaury: it's having .sb file format
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17:50:07SzczepancioOk, i'm here :>
17:53:38pamaurySzczepancio: boot into the OF, put it at the root of the internal storage, make sure it is named firmware.sb, eject properly and reboot
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17:53:53Szczepanciopamaury: thankls
17:53:59SzczepancioOF is recovery mode?
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17:54:41lebelliumOF is the original (sony) firmware
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17:55:29SzczepancioAh, thank's.
17:55:31SzczepancioNice name
17:55:55pamauryyeah, strong habit, writing original firmware is too long ^^
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18:00:22Szczepanciopamaury: It's running, woo hoo.
18:00:40pamauryare the buttons working as expected ?
18:00:59pamaurylike is up actually up and so on or they seem mixed up ?
18:01:33SzczepancioThey arent mixed up.
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18:02:27SzczepancioBut why there are any games and so?
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18:02:49pamauryis sound working ?
18:02:53SzczepancioIt's early port, so no games/apps implemented for this hardware (resolution, procesor, etc.)?
18:03:13pamauryI haven't written the keymaps for the games, so they are disabled
18:03:27Szczepanciosound is working
18:03:29pamauryStupid but very practical reason :-/
18:03:52SzczepancioColors are other than at sansa clip.
18:03:53pamauryok, can you check backlight: go into settings and try the different backlight values
18:04:54Szczepanciothey are working
18:05:32pamauryok, last check: can you go into debug menu > fm tuner or fm registers, don't remember how its called
18:06:04Szczepanciofm radio
18:06:18SzczepancioHW detected: yes
18:06:21pamauryright, what does it display ?
18:06:23SzczepancioSTRFM1000 regs:
18:06:30Szczepanciochipid: 0x12
18:07:13lebelliumrebranded player bouuuh :)
18:08:05pamauryok thanks, so it's indeed STFM1000, TB2 to be precise
18:08:14pamaurythe radio was the only point I was not sure about
18:08:21pamauryso it's really the same player
18:08:24Szczepanciopamaury: Understood.
18:08:51lebelliumpamaury: does that mean that it should be possible to install the E380 firmware on E370 to get the AAC support?
18:09:45pamaurylebellium: yes, with some little trick about firmware version though
18:10:22pamaurySzczepancio: great thanks, if you want to restore the OF for your dad, it is a very similar procedure: download https://www.dropbox.com/s/ph4a0uaf8pjvgsw/sonynwze380_1.0.0.firmware.sb, boot into OF (power down and then press back for one second), put this file at the root of the player (name it firmware.sb), reboot into OF once again
18:11:15pamaurylebellium: because on the E370, there are two versions of the OF: 1.0.0 and 1.0.1, and the OF checks version on upgrade. On the E380 it is 1.0.0 so to upgrade 1.0.1 E370 to E380, you need to change the version number
18:11:32pamaury(assuming Sony didn't put any more checks)
18:11:51lebelliumdowngrade is not possible then?
18:11:52Szczepanciopamaury: No problem, you don't really must thank's, I must thank's for you :)
18:11:53pamauryAt least I'm sure I will never buy the E380 now :)
18:12:14Szczepanciopamaury: Because it's the same hardware, yep?
18:12:15Szczepancio:D
18:12:34Szczepanciopamaury: I am still waiting a hack for a e470, u know.
18:12:47pamaurylebellium: not without modifying the version number. That's just a number, it is not related with the actual code. That is you can repack firmware 1.0.0 with version 1.0.1, it is still 1.0.0 but it pretends to be 1.0.1 for the upgrade
18:13:11[Saint]Szczepancio: Now, if only waiting for things worked - you'd be set!
18:13:14[Saint]:)
18:13:49lebelliumpamaury: and how can you do that? hex-edit the firmware.sb file?
18:14:26pamaurylebellium: it is a bit more complicated that hex-edit but it's the same idea
18:14:41pamauryWe my tools, it's actually pretty trivial to do so
18:15:12pamauryI can write you the instructions somewhere if you want to try, assuming you can compile things from the repository
18:15:18Szczepancio[Saint]: You mean waiting is the best thing i can do? My english is just awful.
18:16:13lebelliumpamaury: no no, it was just by curiosity :)
18:17:38[Saint]Szczepancio: No, I mean waiting is entirely unprofitable when you want something to happen, it has no bearing on it happening or not.
18:18:16[Saint]Best is to get stuck in to it yourself up to your elbows, because someone who wants something badly enough is the ebst person to implement it. :)
18:18:24[Saint]*the best
18:18:56Szczepancio[Saint]: So, the best thing I can to do it myself?
18:18:58lebelliumassuming we can all do what pamaury does. I'll get stuck to waiting :)
18:19:23SzczepancioBut, i think like lebellium, so, yes, we are waiting for pamaury :D
18:19:57[Saint]Well, although it makes a fun tale to believe so - pamaury wasn't borm with superhuman reverse engineering powers. :)
18:20:04[Saint]*born
18:20:19[Saint]He learned, we can too.
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18:20:49Szczepancio[Saint]: I got it :0
18:20:53Szczepancio:)
18:21:21[Saint]...though, there is a chance pamaury reverse engineered *himself*, in order to be better at reverse engineering.
18:21:28[Saint];)
18:21:47[Saint]The Patron Saint of RE.
18:22:39pamauryI'm sure there are other people as good if not better than me at RE, I'm just crazy enough to try and succeed
18:22:56lebelliumDo you know the global division of labour theory by Ricardo [Saint] ? That's how I think. Why would I do the same thing as pamaury if he can do it much better and faster than I do. I would rather do something I'm better than him, for example themeing (not even sure about that though^^).
18:23:29pamaurylebellium: I will never, ever, theme rockbox, not even under torture :D
18:23:51[Saint]I don't necessarily think about it being a "better at" or "worse at" thing.
18:24:00[Saint]I just think of it as doing something you enjoy.
18:24:53[Saint]If people thought that way you descibed all the time, there wouldn't ever be any advancement.
18:25:58pamauryWhen I started, I thought the people writing rockbox and doing RE were some kind of dark sorcerer with supernatural knowledge ^^
18:26:09[Saint]Yep.
18:27:26pamaurytook me two years to do the Fuze+ port but now I can do many ports way faster :D I knew a lot of things about computer already, admitted
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18:32:33lebelliumHum I forgot you had a Zen V (Plus) pamaury. You haven't done anything on these ones right?
18:33:17pamaurylebellium: yes I did, but it's stmp3600 based and the current stmp3600 is broken (even though it used to work), I promised lorenzo I would have a look at it
18:33:31pamauryI have the Sansa Express on my list too
18:33:41pamauryI wanted to commit stmp3700 work before
18:33:52pamauryand solve major issues like charging
18:34:19[Saint]...will we get a network stack then? :P
18:35:35pamaurynot sure about this ^^ The X-Fi is the only player I know with Wifi and only the most expensive 16GB have one
18:35:44pamaury(mine has :p)
18:36:16pamauryif someone wants to port some IP/TCP stack why not, I'm not sure what to do with it though
18:36:37pamauryI will *not* port Firefox to rockbox !
18:36:42Szczepanciopamaury: Can I help you with keymaps for e370/e380?
18:36:53SzczepancioFirefox at rockbox, lol.
18:36:59SzczepancioNet over usb? Non-sense.
18:37:04[Saint]I guess porting IwIP is feasible.
18:37:05pamaurySzczepancio: you should see that with lebellium, he is the new keymap expert
18:37:13lebelliumlol
18:37:30SzczepancioAhh, i didn't saw, net over wifi. Nice.
18:37:35pamaury[Saint]: yeah I think so. However one needs to reverse the wifi driver first, I couldn't find any documentation about the chip
18:37:45*[Saint] nods
18:37:58[Saint]*LwIP
18:38:04lebelliumpamaury: I'm not sure how to add the conditionnal for E370. I would prefer if you do it (since anyway I can't commit anything myself)
18:38:08[Saint]stoopid letters, all close together and stuff.
18:38:30pamauryit is some bcm chips, probably with some custom firmware like bcm always do
18:38:30pamaurylebellium: wait a second, I will upload an example
18:40:06lebelliumpamaury: and there are other players with Wifi such as Zune HD, Sony X1050 etc :)
18:40:19pamaurylebellium: pamaury/7453149">https://gist.github.com/pamaury/7453149
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18:41:06pamaurynotice that the volume in list I keep the HAVE_VOLUME_IN_LIST conditional and in WPS I test to see if there is a Volume UP button defined
18:41:16*[Saint] thinks there shouldn't be a Zune port on principle alone.
18:41:29pamaurya yes, but I'm not sure if we know how to run code on the Zune HD
18:41:50pamauryand isn't X1050 Android based ?
18:42:08[Saint]I believe so.
18:42:24lebelliumno
18:43:02pamaurywhat is the SoC inside this ?
18:43:04[Saint]Then they went to great lengths to gie the impression it was.
18:43:15[Saint]The UI is quite Android-esque.
18:43:23[Saint]*give
18:43:24lebelliumyou mix up with the android-based Z1000
18:43:34lebelliumthe X1050 was released in 2009
18:43:40lebelliumit has wifi but no android
18:43:56lebelliumcompetitor to the Cowon S9 and Samsung YP-P3 back to the time
18:44:28[Saint]Hmmmm. Looking at images of it, I can definitely see why I thought it was Android based.
18:45:02[Saint]Damn Sony, you make some *ugly* DAPs.
18:45:20lebelliumpamaury: ok interesting! you took my file as basis right? So i'll try to compile with your now
18:45:28lebelliumyours*
18:45:43pamaurylebellium: yes, it's your file
18:45:52pamaurythe X1050 is linux based, it is in the Sony open source center
18:46:08pamaurychances are that it's the same soc as other sony players
18:46:26lebelliumSzczepancio: I can compile a E370 build with my improved keymapping if you want
18:46:50Szczepanciopamaury: How much I will wait for e470 port? I can change a e380 for e470, but I really prefer e470.
18:47:06pamaurySzczepancio: no idea, I cannot tell
18:47:13[Saint]With ports, always assume "anywhere between now and never"
18:47:25[Saint]and its much safer to assume never.
18:47:31SzczepancioI don't wanna to be urgent, u know.
18:47:43Szczepanciolebellium: Can you compile it with plugins?
18:47:53lebelliumNo
18:47:59[Saint]...not without hours of work first.
18:48:10lebelliumpamaury disabled them and explained to you why, I don't know how to enable them
18:48:44pamauryyou cannot enable them, they just don't compile right now, you need to write the keymap
18:49:30pamauryI can explain you how to enable compilation of them and compile and then you'll need to go through each of them. It's rather tedious but I would appreciate it a lot
18:50:31Szczepanciopamaury: I must write keymap's for the apps?
18:50:33lebelliumnot sure I have the courage to do that now. Maybe later :)
18:50:38SzczepancioOr just compile?
18:50:48pamauryif you want them yes
18:50:49lebelliumdefine the keymap for each plugin yes
18:50:51SzczepancioAhh, I understood.
18:51:07pamauryit is very tedious as there are many plugins
18:51:09SzczepancioCompile, and next test it and write keymaps for it, and next compile, test it, etc.
18:52:47pamauryyes, unfortunately there is not way (afaik) to disable some plugins easily, it's either all or none
18:52:58pamauryexcept if you compile them yourself one by one
18:54:20foolshOff topic, but wasn't there a unified key map structure thingy in the works at one time?
18:54:29lebelliumSzczepancio: you can try this build with improved keymapping: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5cnex3a31v980u/rockbox_NWZ-E370_131113.zip
18:54:39foolshStill parts left here and there
18:55:35foolshInstead of adding more and more "#ifdefine"s for every new port. It will one day get out of hand
18:56:10pixelmathere are pluginlib actions but those only work (and were limited again to this later on) to plugins that only need basic actions like directional keys, menu, select
18:56:19[Saint]...wouldn;t a unified keymap just be a giant clusterfuck of ifdeffs, though? :)
18:56:52[Saint]seems like avoiding a problem by simply amassing it all in one hideous space.
18:57:03foolshYeah but only one collective cluster fuck in one file, manageable from one place
18:57:13[Saint]"manageable"
18:57:41pixelmanot manageable due to major differences in keymaps -> "fix one, break others"
18:57:43pamauryit's unsolvable: for basic action pluginlib is good but some plugins requires complex combo because of the lack of buttons
18:57:55pamauryand because of the physical layout of the keys
18:58:11*foolsh nods
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18:58:25[Saint]If you think you can make a single unified keymap that is "manageable"...go for it.
18:58:27pamauryif you play doom for example, some configurations might make sense but just don't fit well the physical layout of some players
18:58:36[Saint]But I rather suspect you'll eventually give up.
18:58:42[Saint]...or go insane.
18:58:46pamaurysomeone tried and gave up iric
18:58:47pamaury*iirc
18:59:14pamaurythough some plugins might be converted to pluginlib because they were written before it, maybe
18:59:23pamaurylike battery bench
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19:01:57pixelmano, someone even started but went back to the basic action approach, because there were some plugins converted and partially broken for some players (I remember metronome) with the fix being "introduce more and more exceptions and more contexts with the result of having the same thing as before but even harder to read"
19:02:14pixelma*we went back
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20:10:44cereal_killer[Saint]: Congratulations to your 256GB iPod Video. May I ask which SSD you use and which guide you followed, to install the SSD? I want to replace the HD of my rockboxed iPod too.
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20:14:07MarcAndersenwill there be a windows simulator for the zen x-fi on the rasher site at some point?
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20:16:51[Saint]cereal_killer: 240GB 40pin ZIF SSD someone left at my local hackerspace that I kind-of-sort-of manage, sometimes.
20:17:05[Saint]Renixe? Renice? ...something like this.
20:17:11[Saint]Renice.
20:17:14pamauryMarcAndersen: the simulator compiles so I guess it's a matter of asking rasher
20:17:46rasherIIRC, it doesn't compile with mingw
20:17:47[Saint]cereal_killer: its certainly not something I would *buy*...heck no. Those mothers are *expensive*
20:17:48pamauryI don't know how rasher generates those simulators
20:17:53pamauryrasher: really ?!
20:18:08pamaurydo you the compile log ?
20:18:12pamaury*do you have
20:18:13rasherWell, I'm not sure of the model, but a bunch of them don't compile
20:18:17rashersadly no
20:18:25rasherI did pastebin some manual runs
20:18:31[Saint]gigabeat and...shit, somethinng.
20:18:32lebelliumrasher: that's the Fuze+/Ondia/Gigabeat no?
20:18:40[Saint]Two of the targets in the list at the bottom.
20:18:42rashershrug
20:19:04rasherI'm guessing it's all of the missing ones - probably the same problem too
20:19:05cereal_killerLucky you. And did you have to format it first, or did you just put it into the iPod and let iTunes restore it?
20:19:13[Saint]cereal_killer: as for which guide I followed, I didn't. Its a straight replacement.
20:19:23[Saint]iTunes restore.
20:19:29lebelliumthe Zen X-Fi should be added to a file as it's still a unusable target (like we did for Zen X-fi 2/3)
20:19:39lebelliumbut I don't remember which file
20:19:47rasherHm, looks like the pastebin is gone
20:20:13MarcAndersenI think there is a windows sim for the x-fi 2 and 3 but not the original x-fi
20:20:25lebelliumMarcAndersen: yes
20:20:38lebelliumbecause we added the X-Fi2/3 to the necessary file
20:20:58MarcAndersenthey are also unusable, right?
20:21:03lebelliumyes
20:21:29MarcAndersenwhy doesn't the x-fi simulator compile with mingw then?
20:21:37lebelliumI'm not sure it doesn't
20:21:38rashermaybe it does
20:21:39cereal_killerthank you for the information [Saint], and how about the fitting? Did you need some padding with foam, or changed the backplate?
20:21:51lebelliumrasher talks about the Fuze+/Onda/Gigabeat
20:21:59lebelliumnot about the X-Fi I think
20:22:02rashertools/release/sims.pl is the file to add unusable targets, that can compile the sim
20:22:12lebelliumah!
20:22:15MarcAndersenoh sorry. so the x-fi windows sim will be made at some point?
20:22:17lebelliumthat's the one I was looking for
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20:22:50lebelliumrasher: so we just need to add the X-Fi there :)
20:22:57rasherProbably
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20:23:17[Saint]cereal_killer: the IO isn't as great as I would've expected (~100MB/s read, ~80MB/s write), but it beats the pants off the original disc. As for the sizing, I stole the foam padding from an old 4G ipod and cut it up and stuffed it in the back of the "fat" Video case.
20:23:28[Saint](I didn;t have a spare "thin" case backing)
20:23:42[Saint]But you reminded me I should order one. :)
20:24:33lebelliumpamaury: you can add the new creative targets there and it should be enough for the rasher website :)
20:24:39Szczepanciopamaury: Do you know how to shutdown e370?
20:24:47SzczepancioOption button don't work, only lock it.
20:25:02lebelliumSzczepancio: did you try my build?
20:25:13Szczepanciolebellium: w8
20:25:24lebellium?
20:25:38celaJust been trying out the X-Fi port, Anyone getting a display issue? Mine goes white after a few minutes of use.
20:26:04cereal_killeryes, a thin backplate is a good idea, but the headphone jack does not fit then, right?
20:26:20pamaurySzczepancio: press "power" button for a few seconds
20:26:52pamaurycela: you mean when backlight shut down ?
20:27:08pamaurylebellium: ok i'll do
20:27:51celaYes if you press a button to wake up the display after a few minutes.
20:28:38pamaurycela: I'm not sure I understand, does the display goes dark after some inactivity time or does the screen just stays white when you wake up ?
20:28:51celaor use the caption backlight to wake it
20:29:03[Saint]cereal_killer: I believe the backings are interchangeable, but I shall cross this bridge when I come to it.
20:29:04lebelliumMarcAndersen: if there is no mingw issue, the X-Fi sim should be there soon, once pamaury added it to simp.pl
20:29:08celaYes when you wake it up agian
20:29:24[Saint]If not, I would need to purchase a new switch assembly, but that's no biggie.
20:29:39pamauryok, so lcd init problme apparently, I will have a look at it, it was a common problem when I developped the port, I thought I solved the problem
20:30:08cereal_killerok, thank you for sharing the information and have fun.
20:31:39celaI have a 8GB X-Fi non wifi version, but I guess that makes no difference, Easiest way to test for display problem is to set the caption backlight and wait a few minutes.
20:32:19pamauryI don't have this problem, it may be a timing issue, such problem can be pretty random or even depend on PCB versions (wifi vs non-wifi) or things like this ^^
20:34:02pamaurybe back soon
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20:45:14MarcAndersenpamaury: what do you mean with need glue code to enable the speaker on the zen x-fi?
20:51:16[Saint]I'm not sure if its universal, but, I usually use the term to refer to a section of code that would normally be considered an ugly hack were it not the only option.
20:52:22[Saint]Hmmm...though, I also use it to refer to a section of code with no functional value other than pointint two or more other sections of code at each other.
20:52:41[Saint]The latter is probably the more "accepted" term, I would guess.
20:53:11[Saint]s/pointint/point/
20:53:31[Saint]Lets see what a dictionary thinks...
20:53:49[Saint]Aha, close: "In programming, glue code is code that does not contribute any functionality towards meeting the program's requirements, but instead serves solely to "glue together" different parts of code that would not otherwise be compatible. Glue code often appears in code written to let existing libraries or programs interoperate, as in language bindings or foreign function interfaces like the Java native interface, or when mapping objects to a
20:53:49[Saint]database using object-relational mapping, or when integrating two or more commercial off-the-shelf programs. Glue code may be written in the same language as the code it is gluing together, or in a separate glue language."
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20:57:09MarcAndersen[Saint]: thanks for the explanation
20:57:25[Saint]Wikipedia did it much better than I did. :)
20:57:37MarcAndersenhaha
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21:07:59kimyaHi, I get "Not enough space for music DB" on my Sansa Clip+. Any ideas what to do?
21:08:17[Saint]Freeing up some space might be an idea.
21:08:28[Saint]...just sayin'.
21:08:51kimyaI can't mount my device. :(
21:09:16[Saint]But Rockbox can delete files and folders, so it doesn't matter.
21:09:49kimyaI have OF on the device.
21:10:06[Saint]So, this is unrelated to Rockbox at all?
21:10:39kimyaYes
21:11:19[Saint]I would suggest talking to SanDisk then.
21:12:26[Saint]If you have an sdcard (with media) attached to the device, eject it, and try that - if that fails, no idea, and SanDisk would be much better suited to offer you support.
21:13:36kimyaI have eject my media. I have also tried must of the unbrick tips I have found on Internet. Nothing works.
21:14:48[Saint]Do NOT try ANY of the unbricking instructions you find on our wiki, it *will* end badly.
21:14:58[Saint]Talk to SanDisk.
21:16:40kimyaI haven't tried the more advance unbrick instructions (taking apart the device). I thought there should be some clever combinations to press...
21:16:51kimyaI will talk to SanDisk.
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21:17:46kimyaThank you for your time and guidelines!
21:17:51[Saint]did you try searching the term you posted here? That gives me a lot of helpful information, from SanDisk, no less.
21:18:03[Saint]first hit: http://kb.sandisk.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/848/kw/not%20enough%20space%20for%20music%20db
21:19:13kimyaYes, I have search for that term. Alot of people have the same problem.
21:20:18[Saint]Your issue seems to be compounded by the fact that you cannot mount the device, and I can only speculate on the reasoning for that - as I have no idea what steps you have or haven't taken to resolve this.
21:20:56[Saint]WHatever the reason for that is, unfortunately, this isn;t really the place for it. If you were running Rockbox, not only would this be relevant here it would be trivial to fix.
21:20:59[Saint]But, alas.
21:21:20gevaertsThe thing with rockbox is that one of the reasons we like it is that we don't actually have to know anything about using the original firmware
21:21:37kimyaI tried something I read on rockbox: Connect USB, when logo comes up, deattach USB, then the menu should apper, but it didn't.
21:21:43[Saint]That's it in a nutshell.
21:21:54gevaertsSo, maybe counterintuitively, we tend not to know a lot about it
21:22:22[Saint]Exactly, my solution for this is "use Rockbox"...which is of no use to you. :)
21:23:25kimyaMy goal is to use Rockbox. It looks great. But I have to solve my problem first.
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21:26:45[Saint]It may be worthwhile to see if you *really* have a space issue or not.
21:27:00[Saint]A botched allocation table could also cause this.
21:27:14[Saint]Oh - heh, ..but, you'd need to be able to mount it for that. Gah.
21:28:16[Saint]See? Hopeless. :) Talk to SanDisk, even if they have no idea what to do they'll be able to tell you this in an official capacity.
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21:28:52kimyaI think I have a bad filesystem on my device.
21:29:33gevaertsDoes the OF work
21:29:33gevaerts?
21:29:40gevaertsIf so, can't you format from there?
21:29:55[Saint]It doesn't get that far.
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21:30:07gevaertsRight
21:30:13kimyaNo, logo comes up, then the error message "Not ..."
21:32:43[Saint]One would think "Hey, there's no space for the Database, we'll let you boot so you can actually do something about it" would be a saner approach.
21:33:16kimyaYes
21:33:49[Saint]But if original firmwares weren't crap, Rockbox wouldn't exist. ;)
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21:34:19gevaertsWell, these are the same people who on the c200 said "Oh, the FAT superblock is corrupt. Let's believe what it says about device size instead of reading it from the sd chip so we report a negative size over USB"
21:35:23kimyaI would realy like to switch to Rockbox. My device have been "bricked" for over a year. When I found Rockbox, I thought I give it a try to unbrick it.
21:36:03gevaertsIt's definitely worth it, but that doesn't really help you...
21:41:30kimyaTrue. My win xp box is having trouble format my device. Do you think I have better results with win7?
21:52:19kimyaThank you for time and god ideas. I will try win7 and some other tips I read about. Here in Sweden it's soon 10 PM. Have a good night and thanks again!
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22:17:12pamaurylol, funny things happen when you toggle by mistake the chip enable pin of the sdram ^^
22:18:37gevaertsWhat happens? Can you remember? ;)
22:19:13pamauryeverything went black ;)
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22:20:55[Saint]I knew it!
22:21:04[Saint]Robot!
22:21:30wodzpamaury: Could you please look at atj213x usb core register map? Maybe you will spot some similarities with cores you know. fw_update_4_brom_fage_verify/adfu/include/adfuserver_63.h has some defines.
22:22:03pamaurywodz: I had a look iirc and it's wasn't obvious for me I saw it before
22:22:20pamauryit bears some far similarly with some cores, like in "it's a usb core" ;)
22:22:25pamaury*similarity
22:23:01pamaurylet me recheck
22:23:48pamaurygevaerts: what do you think I should do about the NWZ-E380 ? As far as we know it is just a rebranded NWZ-E370 so how should I handle it ? Create a new target anyway ?
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22:25:23wodzI found some realtek? SoC which has similar reg map for otg but now I can't find my notes what SoC it was :/
22:25:39gevaertspamaury: I don't think so. It's similar to the 1st and 2nd gen ipods I'd say
22:26:32pamaurygevaerts: so just keep E370 and tell people the E380 is just a E370 ?
22:26:43pamauryby create a new target I mean add an entry in configure
22:26:47pamaurymostly
22:27:02pamaurybut it's a bit stupid to compile twice the same code
22:27:09gevaertsI'd leave new targets for actually different things
22:27:20pamauryor so call it E370/E380 in configure then ?
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22:27:38gevaertsThat probably makes sense
22:27:43*bertrik agrees
22:28:01wodzHa, found it. It is ralink rt-n56u not realtek
22:28:08gevaertsOr call it E3[78]0 :)
22:28:09Szczepanciopamaury: I think the E370/E780 is best name for it.
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22:28:25SzczepancioIt don't have sense to create two target's for the same device, I think.
22:28:35pamaurywodz: do you have the DS for it ?
22:28:39gevaertsOr E3⅞0
22:28:45pamaury(for the ralink)
22:28:54wodzpamaury: no only linux source
22:29:02SzczepancioE370 and E380 is like a PSP 1000 and PSP 2000, both are the same, only few changes isnide.
22:29:13pamauryok
22:30:01wodzpamaury: https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/target/linux/ramips/patches-3.9/0162-USB-MIPS-ralink-add-rt5350-mt7620-UDC.patch?rev=37058
22:30:16Szczepanciowodz: Polak?
22:30:39wodzSzczepancio: yes
22:30:45Szczepanciowodz: Me too :)
22:36:38pamaurywodz: that's a long patch !
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22:42:41pamaurylebellium: I added some targets to sims.pl
22:42:58MarcAndersenThanks pamaury
22:43:24lebelliumgreat
22:45:31pamaurynext you see with rasher :p
22:46:16[Saint]I think that's the end of the process.
22:46:21lebelliumindeed
22:46:33[Saint]I don't think there's any intervention to be done other than adding targets to the "magic file".
22:46:41lebelliumthe targets will automatically be added tomorrow
22:46:54lebelliumat next build round
22:47:58[Saint]I don't think they're generated per-round.
22:48:26[Saint]I believe it may well be daily?
22:49:22lebelliumyes that's what I meant actually. I know that it's only once a day max
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22:51:56lebelliumwould be great to fix the Fuze+/Gigabeat/Onda sim stuck to April, 1st but I don't remember what's the exact issue.
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22:56:16pamauryis there any convention on how speaker volume should be treated ?
22:56:55MarcAndersenon the x-fi? just decibel i should think
22:56:56pamaurythe only targets with speaker at the moment just don't seem to have to handle this issue but on imx233 once can independely select headphone and speaker volume
22:57:52pamauryMarcAndersen: no I mean should we have independent volume control or unified, we don't have even have speaker mute on headphone insertion as far as I know
22:58:25wodzI would say combined volume + mute on hp insert
22:58:47pamaurymute on hp insert should be handled by app
22:59:21MarcAndersenoh. that is a good question.
22:59:28pamauryit's a combination of HAVE_SPEAKER and HAVE_HEADPHONE_DETECT + setting which says speaker disabled/disabled on hp/enabled at all time
22:59:49pamauryI guess I'll have to write it
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23:01:04MarcAndersenI wish i could do some C programming, but I'm only doing scripting at the moment.
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23:03:15andypotterlonoxmont: a custom cable is good as it probably is IAP over Serial.
23:03:17andypotterHave you managed to build your own rockbox binary? If so, creating a build that includes (a)dvanced and (l)ogf should allow for capturing the IAP commands to a file that we could then examine and see where it barfs.
23:05:55pamaurywho knows things about audio signals ? The manual says "This bit field controls the left volume of the lineout, LOL. The first 16 combinations allow for adjusting the lineout peak to peak voltage in small steps. Each lsb change in this range changes the RMS output voltage by 25mV under these conditions. This allows the block to tweak out gain errors in the system or to potentially save power in applications not requiring a large outpulevel. The
23:05:55pamaury next 16 values decrease the gain in 2dB steps. The decrease is cumulative with the first 16 settings. (11111)=-35dB.". I understand the setting >=16 but I don't understand the relationship between 25mV RMS and dB, probably ignorance
23:07:22gevaertsI suspect you want saratoga
23:07:38pamauryif I read correctly, if you set it to (11111)=31 you are doing (31-16+1) -2dB steps so that's -32dB and then it means each of the first step actually reduces by -0.2dB but why -0.2dB == -25mV RMS ?
23:07:43pamauryYes but he is not there :(
23:08:11gevaertsKnowing him, he might appear at any moment :)
23:21:15pamauryhum, I think my reasoning is just wrong in fact, the first settings are not dB, they linearly decrease the volume whereas dB would decrease it in a logarithmic fashion
23:21:30pamauryhopefully saratoga can explain this
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23:35:15wodzpamaury: http://www.cypress.com/?docID=27095&dlm=1 this looks similar also to the core in atj the reg addresses are completely different but general layout is similar
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