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#rockbox log for 2013-11-19

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00:04:41Torneamiconn: hi :)
00:05:11amiconnHow can I connect different OpenID identities to the same gerrit account?
00:05:40Tornesettings -> identities -> link another account
00:06:47amiconnHmm. That requires to log in as that other account
00:07:22amiconnMakes sense ofc
00:08:05[Saint]Is anyone going to push g#626
00:08:06fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #626 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/626 : 3DSP Compressor: Sidechain, Exponential Atk/Rls by (changes/26/626/4)
00:08:25[Saint]Seems like its just waiting for someone to press the fire button.
00:08:48*[Saint] is trying to kick patches out of his tree
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00:32:27amiconnTorne: Hmm, trying to link always results in "The page requested was not found" and no linking
00:32:36Tornehrm
00:32:45Tornei dunno. we're using an increasingly outdated version of gerrit
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00:44:48Spingebillhello anyone here?
00:46:33[Saint]No.
00:48:02[Saint]Spingebill: Sorry - Yes, yes indeed, there are people here. Many people, in fact.
00:48:36[Saint]As the channel guidelines state (in the topic), ask your question - if someone is available to assist you, they will.
00:48:39Spingebillok any news on the sansa fuze+ port, whens it gonna be stable
00:49:02[Saint]Anywhere between now and never.
00:49:14lebelliumit's stable enough for a daily use
00:49:32[Saint]And, yes. It is.
00:49:54Spingebillthen why does it show up as unstable on the home page?
00:50:04[Saint]Those target classifications are more for internal use.
00:50:09lebelliumbecause unstable doesn't necessarily mean it is unstable :)
00:50:40Spingebillso it will remain unstable forever?
00:50:48[Saint]It could, yes.
00:51:17gevaertsstable/unstable there has no relation with "How often does it crash", really
00:51:25[Saint]But as lebellium said, "unstable" doesn't necesarily mean its unstable at all.
00:51:50[Saint]It simply means it doesn't meet the criteria needed for "stable" yet.
00:51:58[Saint]The details of which will only bore you.
00:52:26lebelliumBut I don't know what keeps the Fuze+ from being a stable port since it has a manual and it works with RBUtil.
00:52:56lebelliummaybe recording
00:53:14lebelliumand touchpad management
00:53:25lebelliumbut I'm not sure we need that for a stable port?
00:53:55Spingebillsometimes when i skip songs, it like freezes, but its fully functional but it wont play
00:54:09Spingebillevery once in a while
00:54:57[Saint]...well, that's not "fully functional" then, is it?
00:55:31[Saint]If part of it ceases to function, then its not fully functional. ;)
00:55:44[Saint]lebellium: possibly neglect?
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00:56:00[Saint]By my understanding of the classification process, it _could_ be promoted.
00:56:45lebelliumWe should ask pamaury and Jbiasini what they think since they work on it but I think it could be promoted.
00:57:23[Saint]AFAIK all we need for stable is "charges in Rockbox or allows booting to the OF if not; bootloader release; tool binaries released; builds through the build system; has a full set of documentation"
00:57:40[Saint]WHat they think doesn;t really matter.
00:57:55[Saint]That's the criteria, and it meets it AFAIK.
00:58:16lebelliumwell, they know better than me or you what is missing or not. I have a Fuze+ but I hate it so I don't use it and don't know if recording is fully working for example :)
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00:58:33[Saint]Its irrelevant if it works or not.
00:58:39[Saint]Its not necessary.
00:59:27[Saint]Woo! I like being right: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetClassifications
00:59:38[Saint]This page certainly seems to agree with me.
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01:00:22 Part Torne
01:00:31[Saint]I even almost got the order right, that's creepy. Anyhoo, yes, it certainly seems as though the Fuze+ could be promoted.
01:01:37lebelliumBut who chooses in the end? :)
01:02:09[Saint]Anyone with commit access could make this decision.
01:03:26[Saint]As gevaerts said, and said it best IMO, "stable" doesn't /really/ have anything to do with the stability of the device whatsoever.
01:03:30lebelliumin RBUtility it's written "Sansa Fuze+ (Unstable)". Does it read the status somewhere or is a new RBUtil version needed ?
01:03:51[Saint]It just means "it meets this set of criteria", and AFAIK, the Fuze+ does indeed meet the criteria.
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01:20:01lebellium[Saint]: according to your criteria, the Nano2G should be a stable target
01:21:20lebelliumthere is no mention of USB in Rockbox in the target classification
01:21:31lebelliumthe user can use OF on Nano2G
01:22:24[Saint]lebellium: its not *my* criteria...
01:22:36lebelliumyes yes sorry
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01:24:59lebelliumbut the point is that the Nano2G should not have been demoted to unstable status according to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetClassifications
01:25:55lebelliumThe reality is that we seem to consider that USB in Rockbox is important, even when dualboot is available
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10:03:28wodzhaha, now I am doing my hobby at work - reverse engineering lpc11c24 rom :P
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10:44:57pamaurywodz: why are you doing this ? :)
10:45:19pamauryHum I did a battery bench of the fuze+ tonight and battery life seems much worse than it used to be
10:45:52copperpamaury: hmmm, I can run one if you like, I'm not using it at the moment
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10:46:03pamauryyeah that would be nice
10:46:09copperwhat codec / bitrate?
10:46:21pamauryI tried with regular mp3, medium quality
10:46:28copperLAME V2 OK?
10:46:40pamauryit doesn't really matter, just make sure the total album size is greater than audio buffer (32MB)
10:46:43pamauryyeah
10:46:50copperright, and set to repeat all
10:46:51wodzpamaury: Documentation is crap and we sometimes hit strange bug which for me looks like some mem corruption when using rom drivers.
10:47:11mudlordquestion about the rockbox simulator for Sansa Clip Zip
10:47:18copperpamaury: volume set to 0dB, no EQ / DSP, no heaphones attached?
10:47:22mudlordi'm guessing it does full arm9 emulation?
10:47:32pamaurycopper: volume to -20dB, with headphones
10:47:54wodzmudlord: not at all
10:48:22wodzmudlord: this is simulator not emulator
10:48:25pamauryyou probably don't need to go through all the test, after 10 or 15 hours if battery level is much lower than 50% then stop, it means we have a regression
10:48:26copperpamaury: er, we have different headphones with different impedance
10:48:54pamauryjust choose one, maybe the cloest to regular headphones
10:49:34copper22Ω
10:49:48copperall my headphones are 20-25Ω anyway
10:50:12copperok, I'll charge my Fuze+ and then run the battery bench
10:50:15copperwill let you know
10:50:25mudlordhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator
10:50:26mudlordah
10:50:29mudlordthat explains it
10:53:28wodzpamaury: btw, I checked assembly of rk27xx hwstub port and I can't see anything suspicious but the code still doesn't work.
10:53:41wodz*disassembly
10:54:38Zagormudlord: yeah, it simulates the interface not the hardware
10:55:15wodzwell, thats a bit more then interface but still not hardware
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11:03:16mudlordso that means for each rockbox build, it has to be specially compiled for the simulator....
11:03:29mudlordgot it
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11:04:54gevaerts"it"?
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11:05:43mudlordit being Rockbox. meaning the project either compiles for the intended target device or the simulator
11:05:48mudlordwhich is how I understand it now
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11:06:57gevaertsYes
11:07:00gevaertsThat's correct
11:07:00wodzmudlord: more or less
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11:10:00copperpamaury: ugh, is the Fuze+ supposed to be a USB Full Speed device? (12 Mbps)
11:10:12copperas opposed to HiSpeed (480 Mbps)
11:10:19wodzcopper: not at all
11:10:30mudlordlol Fullspeed
11:10:37copper"not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub"
11:10:39copperugh
11:10:42mudlordhow is 12mbps full speed?
11:10:51coppermudlord: that's the name
11:10:54mudlordROFL
11:10:56copperFull Speed: 12 Mbps
11:11:00wodzmudlord: thats usb nomenclature
11:11:00copperHiSpeed: 480 Mbps
11:11:08copperSuperSpeed: 5Gbps
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11:14:08wodzcopper: there is also Low Speed (1Mbps ? can't remember)
11:14:43gevaertslow speed is a bit special though
11:15:09gevaerts1.5
11:15:15copperok, for some reason my USB add-on card isn't HiSpeed
11:15:19coppermeh.
11:15:23gevaertsBut you can't do bulk in low speed
11:16:53wodzgevaerts: that is half-true. Officially you can't but windows allows you to do so. Linux is more strict but of course can be patched.
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11:17:14gevaertsWell
11:17:21gevaertsThe spec says you can't
11:17:35wodzIt is pure 'spec' limitation, not hardware
11:17:39gevaertsBut yes, interrupt and bulk are the same on the wire, so you can indeed
11:18:07wodzgevaerts: I did it once so I know it works
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11:34:48pamauryindeed interrupts and bulk are the same on wiki, so you can do bulk on low speed, if the kernel let you do that
11:35:08pamauryThe fuze+ should be High Speed
11:35:27pamauryexcept if for some reason your port is Full Speed or the device wasn't recognised as High Speed
11:35:56pamaurywodz: that's puzzling for the rk27xx
11:36:05pamaurycan you post the code on gerrit so I can try tonight ?
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11:36:33pamauryI was thinking about going full asychronous in hwstub anyway, what do you think about it ?
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11:37:47wodzpamaury: I have no opinion as I can't make hwstub working so I can't try it and see what I really need.
11:38:16wodzpamaury: I can post code later.
11:38:23pamauryok thanks
11:38:33pamaurydo you have a rknano device btw ?
11:38:40wodzpamaury: no
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13:58:20lebelliumpamaury: what about promoting Fuze+ to stable?
13:58:47lebelliumWe discussed it with [Saint] yesterday night, and it meets the criteria. Just need someone with the commit access
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14:03:08wodzIs the manual in place? Usually that is the weakest point of the port
14:03:16wodzlebellium: ^
14:03:25pamauryyes it is
14:03:40pamauryhowever I think we have a power regression on the fuze+
14:03:47pamauryI'm doing a bench now
14:04:32wodzbisect gonna be long process :-)
14:04:39lebelliumyes Jbiasini completed the manual
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14:05:16wodzIt would be much faster to craft usb cable with sensing resistor and measure current consumption directly
14:05:45pamauryyeah unfortunately I'm abroad with no access to tools whatsoever
14:06:06pamaurybut I agree this would be much better
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14:11:32pamaurywodz: do you have detailled explaination on how to build such a cable ? With the minimum required tools, maybe I can hack something
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14:30:14wodzpamaury: basically you need to cut +5V or GND and insert sensing resistor. The resistor should be chosen based on what current consumption you expect. Then you measure voltage drop across resistor and calc current draw based on Ohm's law.
14:30:41pamauryso you need a multimeter
14:30:45wodzyes
14:30:50copperI'm running a lossyFLAC battery benchmark on my iPod Classic, in addition to the Fuze+ MP3 battery benchmark
14:30:50pamaurymost probably an oscilloscope even
14:30:59wodzpamaury: multimeter is fine
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14:31:13pamauryis it going to average correctly ?
14:31:27pamaurybecause there will be a lot of digital "noise"
14:31:55copperpamaury: play a sine wave?
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14:32:51wodzpamaury: unless you expect fast changing signal. The noise is not important for estimated current consumption really.
14:34:08pamauryanyway I don't have a multimeter at my disposal here
14:34:25Zagormost multimeters can measure low currents directly
14:35:25wodzZagor: True but I much more believe in precise/trimmed resistor then in multimeter's internal wire resistor.
14:36:41Zagorwell, that's easy enough to test
14:37:21wodzI state this based on tests of a few multimeters we have at work.
14:37:33wodz*on
14:37:47lebelliumpamaury: just got a rare 2011 voice recorder YP-VP2 with telechips inside, maybe the same tcc7901 as in YP-Q3.
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14:40:14pixelmaI remember amiconn finding the reason for the battery drain on the H300 with an IR thermometer or something - the USB otg chip wasn't turned off and got warmer than the others
14:41:58wodzheh, nice idea
14:46:45amiconnI know that it consumed more than it should, but I didn't know which part caused that
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14:49:15amiconnSo yes, I used an infrared thermometer and checked whether I could find a part that gets warmer than the environment but shouldn't. Turned out to be the usb otg chip - difference was about 7C in rockbox but zero in OF
14:51:38amiconnFixing that still was tricky because the chip select output of the mcf5249 had to be in the correct mode (it can be configured with either R and W signals on separate pins, or one combined CS and one Indicating direction)
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15:27:34gevaertslebellium, pamaury: remember that promoting a target to stable outside a release leads to confusion. We probably need to do a release soonish, so it's probably a good idea to coordinate things a bit
15:28:04lebelliumAh? I thought it would be good to promote it before the release to include it
15:28:06lebelliumsorry
15:28:14lebelliumso yes no problem
15:28:48gevaertsWell, yes
15:28:50gevaertsJust before
15:28:51pamauryyeah I agree that we should promote on release
15:29:00gevaertsThe same day is ideal :)
15:29:47gevaertsWe once did a promotion at a random time, and it lead to lots of confusion
15:29:53gevaertsled
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17:23:28pamauryMy Fuze+ benchmark has been running for 20h and still has 25% battery so in fact batter life may still be ok, just battery calibration seems pretty bad
17:28:16lebelliumResults here http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaRuntime are not constant
17:28:51lebelliumfrom 11hrs to 43hrs
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17:32:55pamaurysome are pretty old too
17:33:01pamauryand my fuze+ is not brand new either
17:35:16lebelliumIs there any schedule planning for release 3.14?
17:35:44pamaurydecember I think
17:36:27lebelliumso the feature freeze should start quite soon?
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17:38:17pamauryalso the 43h test was without headphones...
17:38:37pamauryyeah probably
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21:55:53fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #667 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/667 : 3 by marcin.bukat@gmail.com (changes/67/667/1)
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22:09:29pamauryI'm not too confident about this commut ^^
22:10:12bertrikbah, more "missing log file" messages
22:11:11gevaertspamaury: actually, are those warnings going to stay there for long?
22:12:07pamauryno, I will remove them soon
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22:19:22pamauryhum, hard failure ^^
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22:21:02pamauryI forgot about the bootloaders
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22:41:53pamauryhum, strange errors
22:43:14bertrikit seems my client caused some weird stuff in the previous build round, I'll have a look at that
22:44:30bertrikmaybe a stale build directory?
22:45:37gevaertsbertrik: are you sure?
22:46:30bertrik I meant the build for 0c39477
22:47:32*gevaerts doesn't see it
22:48:07bertriklike this one http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=0c39477;type=sansafuzeplusboot
22:48:28gevaertsDid you see the follow-up commit?
22:49:45bertrikoh, argh, so it was an actual source code problem
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22:50:41bertrik... explains why they were so quick! :)
22:51:35pamauryI don't understand the problem
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23:40:31pamaurymaybe you can try this (in power_init in power-imx233.c I guess):
23:40:50pamauryset DCDC_XFER in HW_POWER_5VCTRL
23:41:14pamauryclear PWDN_5VBRNOUT in HW_POWER_5VCTRL
23:42:10pamauryset EN_BATADJ in HW_POWER_DC1MULTOUT
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23:42:31lorenzo92okay, tomorrow I'll give a look ;)
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23:43:45pamauryalso you need a few more tweaks
23:44:32pamauryset FUNCV to X in HW_POWER_DC1MULTOU where X=(VDDIO-VDD)/8e-3
23:45:30pamaurytypically VDDIO is 3.3V and VDD can safely be set to 1.44V
23:46:10pamauryso I can guess that should be (3.3-1.44)/8e-3=232
23:47:06 Quit lorenzo92 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
23:47:23pamauryhum no let's use the default values, that's simpler
23:47:33 Quit krabador_ (Quit: Sto andando via)
23:47:35pamaurybut it depends on the setup
23:47:46pamauryyou need to dump the power settings first to see what the OF uses
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23:49:54pamauryhum, I don't see how to choose the DCDC mode
23:54:54wodzpamaury: I think I made hwstub working on rk27xx. At least it enumerated
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23:58:12pamaurywodz: good :)
23:58:48wodznow I am compiling pc tool to check

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