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#rockbox log for 2013-12-13

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00:51:05pamaury_I'm confused, gcc choose a weak definition over a non-weak one :-/
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01:16:58mudlordhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24421.0
01:17:00mudlordthis is weird
01:17:04mudlordphilips using rockbox?
01:20:27pamaury_I strongly doubt it
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01:29:35chrisjjpixelma: "the playerpic PNGs are exported from inkscape with the longest dimension set to 80 pixels IIRC" FWIW, I find 81 e.g. gogearhdd1630-small.png
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03:06:31chrisjjlebellium: re your call for device art for "All Creative players, Sony NWZ and Samsung YP-R1/Z5", I added these plus the others I found lacking (Mini 2440 and SanDisk Sansa m200 v4) to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MrSomeonesTodoList .
03:06:46chrisjjLet me know if that's is not the appropriate place.
03:08:21chrisjjBTW, I don't see Samsung YP-R1 and Samsung YP-Z5 in www.git buildserver/builds.
03:15:00saratogamudlord: is there a firmware file for that player available somewhere?
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03:33:42saratogahttp://web.mit.edu/mgg6/www/SA1VBE04K17.7z
03:42:34saratogasbtools does not find a valid encryption key
03:43:01mudlordnot sure if there is
03:44:30saratogaI just posted a link to it
03:44:55mudlordoh
03:45:10saratogasbtools does not decrypt it though
03:45:27saratogaalthough it doesn't look encrypted
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05:12:32boonHi all, has anyone gotten a bootloader error along the lines of "image movement failed"
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05:24:36saratogaload image failed?
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05:45:37boonyeah, it wont install the bootloader
05:45:47boonim thinking it might be my ipod :/
05:50:58saratogawhich ipod?
05:51:05saratogatry to restore it with iTunes if you haven't already
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06:08:32booni have not
06:08:45boonim on linux right now so i cant really get on iTunes
06:08:56boonand its a iPod video 5
06:29:26lonoxmontis it fat32 or hfs+
06:29:38lonoxmontrockbox no worky with hfs+
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10:01:09lebelliumchrisjj: top priority (already partially or fully working and should be added to http://build.rockbox.org/ once we have a pic): NWZ-E360, NWZ-E370/E380, Zen, Zen Mozaic, Zen X-Fi, Zen X-Fi 2, Zen X-Fi 3, . Lower priority (not working yet but should be fairly soon): Sansa Express, Samsung YP-R1, YP-Z5. Not important (inactive ports): Zen Vision: M. Unsure: Sansa M200
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10:05:24lebelliumZen Vision and mini2440 are also inactive ports, not important
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10:29:19kugelhmm, not counting my "for-master" commits, my pthread-audio-library commit is only +500/-150 lines changed
10:29:55kugelthe for-master commits are much more, but these are intended to be upstream sooner or later
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10:31:19gevaertsNot too bad!
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11:19:05albb0920Hi, I just start using rockbox and I really want flac album art support, so I implemented it http://gerrit.rockbox.org/694 . I'm not really good at C, please tell me if there's any problem. thanks!
11:24:16gevaertsalbb0920: I'm not a codec person so I'm not the one to accept this, but it looks reasonable at first sight. Thanks!
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11:34:36kugelalbb0920: does this do the base64 decode thingy?
11:35:09kugeldoesnt look like it
11:35:40kugelIIRC flac files should carry vorbiscomments, and albumart is base64 encoded in vorbis comments
11:36:01kugelthough I remember I read that flac has an alternative for albumart
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11:36:01albb0920http://xiph.org/flac/format.html
11:36:43albb0920it reads METADATA_BLOCK_PICTURE
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11:38:11copperyes that's the native FLAC way
11:38:27copperthe base64 data in VC thing is for non-FLAC (Ogg)
11:39:34kugelalbb0920: your patch looks fine, except for the unpack_uin32 part, a) it doesnt seem endianess-safe, b) I think we already have functions for that
11:40:39gevaertskugel: can you elaborate on a)?
11:40:54gevaertsI mean, I could easily be confused, but it looks OK to me
11:41:13*kugel looks again
11:41:14*gevaerts is not sure now
11:41:28gevaertsBah, why can't these things be easy? :)
11:42:11*gevaerts doesn't do a lot of bit-level stuff these days
11:42:19kugelno i guess it's alright
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11:42:38albb0920I found bytes2int() in mp3data.c, so shoud I include mp3data.h to use it?
11:43:08wodzdo we support png AA? I don't think so
11:43:24wodzAFAIK the only png decoder is in imageviewer
11:43:57kugelalbb0920: metadata-common.h has get_long_be()
11:44:37kugelthough a bit misnamed, it does the right/same thing
11:45:04albb0920kugel: Thanks! I'm revising my patch now
11:46:13kugelwodz: no, we don't decode it (yet)
11:46:13albb0920wodz: I though it's supported when I read parsealbumart() in id3tags.c, so I should remove png check?
11:46:48kugelalbb0920: leave it, no problem
11:47:53wodzkugel: ? What will happen if png AA will be in? Does decoder check signature or something or it will just return garbage?
11:48:35kugelwodz: what do you mean?
11:48:35wodzI'd change if(id3->albumart.type != AA_TYPE_UNKNOWN) to if(id3->albumart.type == AA_TYPE_JPG and we are set
11:49:45kugelwodz: it's alright, we do it the same way for other formats. the appropriate type is checked later
11:50:13wodzah, ok then
11:51:08kugelsee playback.c
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11:59:12albb0920I've updated my patch, Thanks!! http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/694/2/
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12:06:06kugelalbb0920: I'm not sure if it's safe to use id3v2buf
12:06:21kugelIIRC this buffer is used to store artist,album,etc strings
12:09:08kugelalbb0920: you can use id3->path as tempbuffer, as done already above in flac.c
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12:11:07kugelshould be large enough to hold the entire PICTURE_BLOCK (without the actual picture data)
12:20:05albb0920no problem, I'm going to just use the buf pointer, will it be ok? (e.g. buf[picframe_pos])
12:22:01kugelyea
12:25:18albb0920Updated: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/694/3
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12:30:11chrisjjlebellium: Thanks for the device illustration priorities. I added them to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MrSomeonesTodoList "Device illustrations"
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12:35:23lebelliumgreat
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12:37:34kugelalbb0920: thank you
12:38:10albb0920Thanks everyone for helping. m(_ _)m
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12:44:31kugelwodz: re earler: alternatively, you could get png into core :)
12:44:57wodzwhy me :-)
12:45:34kugelwho else?
12:46:08wodzsomeone interested?
12:47:00kugelthe plan should be simple: 1) relocatable plugin, 2) png decoder into core. you worked on both already :)
12:47:11pamauryI am interested in letting you do it ;)
12:47:52wodzcurrently I am more mentally in MIPS to be honest
12:48:31chrisjjGuys, is NWZ-E360 the best name for this target? It implies there is actually a model of such a designation, whereas in fact there is none, and the models are NWZ-E363 and NWZ-E364. Perhaps NWZ-E36X would be better.
12:48:37wodzwhen I'll port rb to atj I'll be able to test MIPS relocations :P
12:49:47kugeljust ignore mips if you do this port just to test relocations
12:49:59chrisjjAnd officially there is no Sony NWZ-E360 series. The containing series is designated Sony NWZ-E.
12:50:22kugelwe never really supported mips so don't let you hinder
12:50:55wodzkugel: I pretty much like early work on the new port so you know
12:51:10kugelok
12:54:20wodz... and also knowing MIPS will leave only 2 significant ISAs to learn (SPARC and PPC)
12:54:55wodzok 3 - I almost don't know x86
12:55:23lebelliumchrisjj: we've done that for years. We also say H100 and H300 instead of H1x0 and H3x0. Nobody complained until then so I guess it's alright like that :)
12:55:50chrisjjIt is never too late for improvement :)
12:56:35lebelliumWell, if you're the only one not to like the current naming scheme, I assume there is no chance we change it :)
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12:57:52pamaurychrisjj: internally sony refers to the E360 series, and many people refer to the E360 series too (replace E360 by any other name)
12:57:53chrisjjlebellium: Who is to say I am the only one? I:)
12:58:25lebelliumI don't see "X" as in improvement. It's as confusing as the current naming scheme. X is not necessary a letter to replace with another. Sony has a X series. There is the Playstation PSX.
12:58:26chrisjj" internally sony refers to the E360 series" I'd be interested to see that.
12:58:27pamaurybut if people prefer E36x I don't care
12:59:15chrisjjlebellium: Good point. Perhaps there's a better way to indicate a class name.
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13:00:35pamaurysees Sony open source center: they have loads of "NWZ-EXYZ series". Of course not the E360 in particular since it has no open source, but even in the OF I found some E360 strings. If we were to rename it, I would prefer E363/364/365 rather than anything else
13:02:12pamauryanyway, I need to go. I'm ok for a "marketing renaming (website, manual)", however I will not change the internal names ^^
13:02:33lebelliumchrisjj: maybe you're not the only one not to like it but at least you're the ony one to say it so as we're unsure how many people really want a change, I don't think it's worth it to change everything now
13:02:53wodzI'd say the actual name is not that important, the description on the frontpage matters
13:03:53chrisjjwodz: the manual frontpage, you mean?
13:04:46wodzwebsite
13:05:14chrisjjpamaury: "If we were to rename it, I would prefer E363/364/365 rather than anything else" The disadvantage of that is it excludes a 367.
13:05:59lebelliumthere is no 367?
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13:07:45chrisjjYet :)
13:08:26lebelliumchrisjj: no. There is a new Sony generation every year. The E360 is the 2009 generation. Since then there has been the E370 and now the E380
13:08:33lebelliumso there will never be a E367
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13:10:44chrisjjBut one cannot wait until each next generation before determining the names of the current.
13:11:00lebelliumthat's why E360 is totally fine for me :)
13:11:16chrisjje.g. E363/364 (before the E370) would have excluded the E365.
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13:13:34chrisjjwodz: "the description on the [website] frontpage matters" Agreed. So I think it might be better if that actually included the model names. E.g. the user searching for his H320 is not going to find it there E.g. using Google. He has to look manually and know that his model is covered by H300 series. And not H340 series! :)
13:14:14chrisjjCorrection: not H320 series.
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13:16:18megal0maniac_afkJust dropping by, I'm getting some spam and it's going to rockbox@mydomain (it's catch-all). So someone has harvested something somewhere. Might be using that address for the mailing list as well though, I'll have to check
13:16:28chrisjjThe description (model identification) in the manual is good e.g. "Iriver H320 and H340" so perhaps that is the one that should go on the front page. Not least for SEO.
13:18:00lebelliumhttp://build.rockbox.org/ here it's also written H320/H340. That's fine with 2 model variants. But with Sony you can potentially have from 3 to 7 so it's not really practical. That's why I think 0 is fine
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13:28:23chrisjjHaving a different scheme for >2 is not good. It would have switched "E363/364" to "E360" when the E367 was added.
13:29:37chrisjj"... I think 0 is fine". lebellium might point out that 0 not necessary a letter to replace with another. :) But of course we have no such letter (character).
13:30:16chrisjjCorrection: when the E365 was added.
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13:37:21chrisjjEnough of that ... :)
13:37:58lebelliumchrisjj: indeed. Some players may have a 0 in their name, not standing for a different memory capacity. Well for example YP-R0 :) but I don't think we should the current naming scheme if it's not *really* better. X is not an improvement. NWZ-E neither
13:38:11lebelliumwe should change*
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13:39:16chrisjj"I don't think we should the current naming scheme if it's not *really* better." Understood. But it would be good to /define/ the current naming scheme, to avoid further inconsistency (apparent or real).
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13:45:29chrisjjAnother special class to cover in such a definition (or policy statement) is a target named after one specific model name but covering more than one e.g. target NWZ-E380 covering device models NWZ-E370 and NWZ-E380.
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13:47:12gevaertschrisjj: *why* do you want to kill the rockbox project with bureaucracy?
13:47:29wodzWell, my experience is that the main project policy is 'best fit'. That is quite smart I must admit.
13:47:43gevaertsWe do *not* need rules for everything. Common sense is usually the best solution
13:47:55wodzDo not define rigid policies, rules and definitions
13:49:09chrisjj"*why* do you want to kill the rockbox project with bureaucracy?" I don't.
13:49:27gevaertsYour actions say otherwise
13:50:29gevaertsYou clearly want us to stop working and start writing down procedures on how to write down procedures
13:50:56wodzchrisjj: little piece of advice - you seem to make great job with svg images. Why don't you direct all your energy into such activity? This would be really productive AND beneficial for the project at the same time
13:51:00chrisjjYou're mistaken, gevaerts.
13:52:24chrisjj"you seem to make great job with svg images. Why don't you direct all your energy into such activity?" Well, I was first planning to write a HowTo for those device illustrations, since I can't find any info about how they should be prepared to slot into the various points in the builds trees...
13:52:57gevaertschrisjj: let me guess, this "IT experience" you speak of consists of a reasonably high minesweeper high score and a strong talent for overly long meetings and endless progress reports
13:53:00chrisjj... but do you think that might be mistaken for bureocracy
13:53:45gevaertsActually, that's not a guess
13:53:58chrisjjYou guessed wrong, gevaerts. Dod you a read that book "Backroom Boys: The Secret Return of the British Boffin"?
13:54:15gevaertsAll I know is you're a troll and a phoney
13:55:29chrisjjCheck out the chapter about the four of us behind the game Elite in 1984.
13:56:01chrisjjAnd please tell me how you know I am a phoney.
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13:56:45gevaertsYour behaviour
13:56:46gevaertsEasy
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14:00:08chrisjjYou might want to try a more reliable method :)
14:00:32wodzchrisjj: To state it simple - your behavior is annoying not only for gevaerts. Do something productive instead
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14:12:26chrisjjCan anyone tell me where the rockbox.git\manual\rockbox_interface\images\*.png files are used, if anywhere?
14:12:54pixelmaIIRC they are used for the html version of the manual
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14:35:57chrisjjThanks.
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14:43:32chrisjjpamaury: FYI: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/compare/Main/SonyNWZE380?rev1=2;rev2=3
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14:45:38nick_pchrisjj: "Check out the chapter about the four of us behind the game Elite in 1984." Were you the Ringo character?
14:45:47chrisjjHe he :)
14:47:16nick_pSorry, couldn't resist ;)
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14:54:00chrisjjAnyone know the source of the list of targets at http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml ? Considering it includes targets for which there are no manuals in buildserver/builds.
14:58:03Zagorchrisjj: tools/builds.pm
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15:21:56toehserIs there either a way to back-convert the fnt format, or an x-ref of where they came from in bdf or ttf or whatever? What I'd _really_ like would just be an editor that could tweak the .fnt files...
15:21:57chrisjjThanks. I guess the inclusion of manual-less targets is not by design.
15:22:43toehserOn that note, the .fnt format docs I saw don't seem to cover the AA fonts... is there a ref for that, or do I have to look at the source?
15:25:30[Saint]source.
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21:01:35treakihi
21:01:55treakihelp my rockbox player is frozen
21:02:09treakijust updated the database and connected to usb
21:03:02treakimy dmesg output shows stuff like:
21:03:04treaki[2835301.296116] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
21:03:17treaki[2835327.224713] scsi 29:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
21:03:37treakiand the usb icon on the display stays even if i disconnect the cable
21:05:55gevaertsI'd start by hard-resetting the player
21:06:05treakimy sansa clip is now completly hanged himself
21:06:13treakihow to do a hard-reset?
21:06:24gevaertshold power for at least 30 seconds
21:06:32treakiok...
21:06:45*treaki is holding the power button...
21:07:00treakithanks
21:07:03treakithat helped
21:07:20treakinow it seams to work again
21:07:51treakii alredy tryed to hold down the power button but not for so long (just around 15 seconds)
21:09:45treakido you think that i should switch off the player before connecting over usb in the next time?
21:10:22gevaertsSwitching off won't change things
21:10:44gevaertsHowever, if USB is unreliable for you, you might boot to the original firmware for usb
21:10:51treakiwhere can i find informations like that you have to hold down the power key for 30 secounds
21:11:48treakii have still used usb with rockbox a couple times without problems.
21:12:26treakii guess this problem happened because the database refresh was still happaning in background as i connected the cable
21:12:34gevaertsHmmm
21:12:48gevaertsThat shouldn't cause this, but then nothing should and it still happened
21:12:52gevaertsSo maybe
21:12:54PaperCatwow, it's was creepy! why Foswiki show that i changed DesktopTools page ? I don't see in browser history that i opened this page for edit! i opened it only at 23:27(UTC+4), and foswiki show 18:34. logged in ~22:27(UTC+4).
21:13:07treakiis there a way to force databace refresh to be in foreground?
21:13:46*gevaerts doesn't know much about the database
21:14:23treakinp
21:14:37treakithanks for help, now it seams to work again
21:15:19treakimaybe the database is a bit overextend because i have 16GB sd card full of music
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