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#rockbox log for 2013-12-18

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04:39:32KatuIs there a good solid reference for the resistance values of various docks on iPods? For example, 66KOhms for Line Out docking, etc
04:40:30JdGord|wi beleive they are in the *cough* leaked accessory protocol spec doc
04:41:33KatuAhh, I see I see. I suppose that is not super easy to get ahold of?
04:42:28KatuWait, I think I found it
04:44:11KatuI suppose the better question to ask would be this: I am building a Line Out dock, and I would like to charge at the same time. If I just solder up the appropriate pins for +5 and GND, is that good enough, or do I need to do more for charging?
04:44:37JdGord|wi dunno :D
04:44:51Katuhaha, fair enough
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04:52:52KatuPoo. The iPod accessory protocol page that is linked off of Rockbox.org only has the hex codes. Nothing for resistance values :(
04:58:02[Saint]http://irq5.io/2012/06/25/the-apple-30-pin-dock-connector/
04:58:13[Saint]The Internet knows all about this.
04:59:13[Saint]blargh. pasted the wrong link.
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05:01:07[Saint]Here's the one I was looking at, sorry: http://www.hardwarebook.info/IPod_Dock
05:02:06[Saint]says you'll want 1.0 kΩ across 21 to ground to convince it its a docking station (and presumably allow charging)
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05:43:25KatuCool deal Saint. I had run across that page before, I just wasn't sure whether it would force the rockboxed iPod into the HID mode, which it seems to readily do with most modern docking stations that I have tested with
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05:44:17[Saint]Well, you could always just disable HID.
05:44:23[Saint]Or, build without it entirely.
05:44:49KatuYeah, unfortunately for me I have become quite attached to HID mode while connected to the computer hahaha
05:45:21KatuI tend to not own keyboards with multimedia keys, so I like having the iPod act as a set, for when I am at my comp, the iPod is often there as well
05:45:57KatuI suppose I can just get hands on a few snap-together 30-pin connectors and just make one and find out though
05:48:28[Saint]Those 30pin ridax connectors are cheap as chips.
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06:07:23KatuSo this is so far the site I have found for the bare 30-pin connector assembly. Do you have any other sources?
06:07:26Katuhttps://www.sparkfun.com/products/633
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09:12:27^7heotoehser: thanks for the info. So if I format my card(s) from Linux, and then use them on windows sometimes, that should work alright, shouldn't it?
09:13:10^7heo(FAT32 formatted, ofc, but who the hell would need more than 4GB per file with a MP3 player with such a tiny screen? :P)
09:13:25^7heo(I mean, even a complete album in flac, that's still under 4GB.)
09:13:59^7heo(and if you put your whole music collection into one big flac compressed file, that kinda defeats the purpose of a MP3, doesn't it?)
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09:42:10^7heookay, I did mix the names, I have two sansa clip +, not two sansa clip zip...
09:42:39^7heobut from what I read on the backlog, it doesn't matter.
09:43:03^7heoWell, proceeding with the installation of rockbox on the second model :)
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10:47:01^7heookay... I have some errors with my oldest Sandisk Clip +
10:47:19^7heo(usb related errors, with "undefined instruction" messages)
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10:49:48^7heoit seems to be related to the microsd card
10:50:06^7heo(i.e. when I remove it, if I plug the device in, everything works like a charm)
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10:53:06^7heomaybe it would be meaningful to display a warning when installing rockbox: "please remove any memory card and other extensions attached to your rockbox device."
10:53:20^7heosince it can pretty much cause stupid errors to happen.
10:59:08copperdid you select the correct mount point?
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18:41:02*[Saint] boggles at "Even more EQ bands are necessary for many users"
18:41:16[Saint]...and I thought 10 would keep them happy.
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19:02:24copper[Saint]: audiophools, probably
19:02:47[Saint]ZThe post that comes from is brilliant.
19:02:51[Saint]-Z
19:03:17[Saint]Your mob over at Hydrogenaudio, get 'em. :p
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19:05:48*copper learned how to replicate his desktop setup with just 2 parametric bands :)
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21:48:46wodz[Saint]: You opened can of worms adding more eq bands definitely
21:49:25[Saint]Its not like there aren't other opportunities for users to do stupid things.
21:49:45[Saint]It certainly can be used sanely. Users just by and large...don't.
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21:50:29wodzsure, but this particularly
21:51:01wodzwooo, now I have 1000000 bands available lets us'em all
21:51:08[Saint]Well, I'm absolutely fine with making it configurable with a sane default.
21:51:21[Saint]That should please evryone.
21:51:28[Saint]*everyone, too
21:52:18wodzThe only solution I can see now is to provide visual feedback of the filter response (aka true graphic eq)
21:52:20[Saint]The idea of using 10 bands was to allow users to easily port settings from most commercial equipment and software, but the desire to enable all the bands seems to strong.
21:52:30[Saint]Even after removing all the presets.
21:52:43[Saint]*too
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21:55:39wodzI wonder how those people measure such frequency response of headphones.
21:56:18[Saint]witchcraft.
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22:03:05bluebrotherno, they trust their totally trustworthy ears :)
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22:04:45wodzbluebrother: That too. If you post measurements from pro FRAs they respond that they hear the difference which equipment can't catch :-)
22:05:12bluebrotherit's always good to hear things the equipment cannot output :)
22:07:07[Saint]Like CIA cancer beams?
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22:13:35wodzkugel: (log) Do I understand correctly that the first 3 fields of buflib cookie are const for given allocation (L,H and C from the comment at the beginning of buflib.c) ?
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22:15:39tertu|netout of curiosity, is there anything i could do when i connect a non-working accessory to my ipod that would help the debugging process?
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22:35:57wodzkugel: If I free test alloc from debug screen am I going to promote cascade of move_block() ?
22:36:45wodzhmm, apparently no
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23:10:11wodzok, with my very simple buflib cookie integrity checking I see cookie corruption when returning from usb screen in simulator
23:11:42wodzI need to study this somewhat more to be 100% sure that cookie checking is correct
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23:18:10wodzChanging themes also triggers corruption but not always (I can switch cabbie with failsafe just fine).
23:19:31gevaertsIt should be possible to add some logging to the theme engine to see what exactly it's parsing and displaying, as well as running the check at each of those iterations
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23:21:08kugelwodz: seems consistent with the bug reports
23:22:14kugelwodz: in the debug screen, a click on the first alloc frees it, a click on all others makes a temp alloc (which is freed immediately). This one causes a move for all allocs
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23:25:20Stefan____Hi, I'd like to update FM presets for Munich/Germany. Can anyone please add me to the WikiUsersGroup?
23:26:36Stefan____P.S.: My WikiName is: StefanB
23:35:12wodzkugel: I am looking at buflib_compact(). Is it safe to do block += len in main loop? len is uninitialized when the loop is entered
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23:44:44saratogaStefan____: that screen where it says your account will be deleted if its not your real name, its not kidding :)
23:45:07saratogaif you fix your name let me know what it is and i'll enable it
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23:49:50Stefan____@saratoga: Thanks, but I usually don't reveal my real last name in the Internet (except for my homepage). Thus I can't contribute my updated FM presets here.
23:50:59saratogaif you change your mind, let me know
23:52:22saratogawhats the easiest way to update my git checkout without throwing away all my changes?
23:53:04gevaertssaratoga: possibly git stash / git stash pop
23:53:09pamaurywodz: len is not used uninitialised
23:53:11gevaertsWith the update in between
23:53:22pamaurywodz: it is assigned in the first iteration
23:54:31wodzwell, it is almost ever better to commit locally then to stash
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23:54:46wodz*even
23:54:50saratogaif they're changes i don't want to ever commit to rockbox what should I do
23:55:02Bagderyeah, create a branch and commit everything there, then checkout master again and update there
23:55:12wodzexactly
23:55:43*gevaerts just pushes his weird proof of concept experiments to gerrit :)
23:55:43wodzyou can always cherry-pick parts of later if you change your mind
23:56:00wodzgevaerts: which subject?
23:56:21gevaertswodz: I mean, when I have stuff I don't want to lose
23:56:25gevaertsNot *not* :)
23:56:32wodzah
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23:56:42gevaertsThings like the streaming setup or the loopback usb stuff
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