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#rockbox log for 2014-01-10

00:02:29JdGordonwhats this $ printing?
00:04:27kugelJdGordon: see apps/gui/line.h
00:10:48toehser1Seems fixed. At least, 10 minutes of trying to break in on the player, I couldn't break it.
00:12:47kugeltoehser1: nice, we havent heard such a thing in a long time
00:13:32gevaerts:)
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00:14:24toehser1New weird behavior: Some of the scrolling fields seem to "stop being scrolling fields" after a while...
00:15:13toehser1Right now, I'm looking at a display with 5 fields too long and %s ... 1-2-3 are no longer scrolling, but 4-5 are still scrolling.
00:15:40toehser1And that is staying, when I switch songs, still the same ones no longer seem to be scroll-fields.
00:16:08toehser1Going back to the menu / back to now playing restored scrolling in all fields.
00:16:21kugelstill with tomsway2 theme?
00:16:26toehser1yep
00:16:54toehser1Seems to be after several song changes, the scrolling stops on lines 1-2-3
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00:17:10toehser1the title-artist-album lines
00:17:32toehser1Hitting menu-now playing restores it
00:17:40toehser1reproducable so far
00:19:01toehser1Now I got it to freeze only the first 2 lines, the other 3 are scrolling.
00:19:45toehser1Any navigation to a menu and back to the WPS resets it to working right.
00:21:27toehser1The last 2 never seem to fail though.
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00:21:45toehser1I wonder if it is because they have the alignment tags before the scroll tag?
00:21:56toehser1Could it matter, %ac%s vs %s%ac ?
00:22:24JdGordonno
00:22:50toehser1Btw, there's still a USB bug... ijs
00:22:52JdGordonalignement and scrolling dont work together
00:23:12JdGordonif the line fits it wont scroll and will align, if it doesnt fit it will scroll without alignment
00:23:49pamaurywodz (logs): I don't understand your point about .init: the script put at ENDAUDIOADDR
00:24:02toehser1Well, this is obviously a way lower priority than the others - weird, but, only slightly irritating, compared to the segfaults.
00:24:03pamaurywhich means the audio buffer will overwrite the .init section and thus reclaim its spacE...
00:24:45pamaury.init should not overlap with .bss, that would be a complete failure, you need to overlap with something used *after* init
00:24:51toehser1I'll see if I see this in the sim too.
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00:56:32toehser1The sim does the same weird thing -if I'm in a playlist with a lot of long file names, and keep skipping songs, eventually some of the lines in the WPS stop being scrolling lines, and reset to working when I go to a menu and back to the WPS.
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01:18:30RhinosaurHey, I have a problem with rockbox on my sansa clip+. When I turn it on the ''loading'' symbol appears in the top right and does not go away. Then when I go to my database and select ''artist'' or anything else it just freezes.
01:18:42RhinosaurDoes anyone know how to fix this perhaps?
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01:23:51JdGordonRhinosaur: proabbyl filesystem corruption
01:26:07RhinosaurAlright, I suppose reinstalling would help then right? Thanks for the help anyway.
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01:27:59JdGordonRhinosaur: well no
01:28:07JdGordondo a filesystem scan on your PC
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05:15:43chrisjjAlexP: "Could you change the warning you added to the CustomWPS page into English please?" I see you've removed the "It is not known which of the two if any accords with program behaviour." Sorry if you think that wasn't good English.
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07:03:55plain-userHello friends! Video IPOD here, using rockbox on it for a year and a half or so. Happy like an elephant, thank you guys! Although I have noticed that it is becoming slow lately. Especially after I have deleted all the files from it and re-creted my directory structure. Currently it is almost empty, but still takes time to navigate the files both within the player and as you browse the file system from a computer. Also
07:03:56plain-useri noticed it does not handle large video files well (tried to load some lectures recently). Having said that, I would like to ask a couple of questions. 1) How to cleanup the device? Trash-reconfigure the settings, fsck of some sort, reinstall altogether? OR the HDD is simply dying and is having bad blocks? 2) How can I update (if needed at all) the codecs so that it reads my lectures of .random format from the interne
07:03:56plain-usert (some files don't get read properly, sound goes choppy half way the 40 minute file). Great thanks!
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07:06:42[Saint]I am unsure what you mean by "how can I update the codecs"
07:06:52[Saint]This isn't possible at all.
07:07:49plain-user[Saint]: ok, not a problem, i will convert the necessary files. How about the 1st question? =)
07:07:52scorche`plain-user: well, you can always try a check of the disk through your operating system
07:08:06scorche`updating the codecs is done by just updating Rockbox
07:08:28[Saint]The behavior you describe does sound somewhat like it would be worth checking the filesystem for errors. As for as not being able to play certain random file types, you could always transcode to a file type we do support.
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07:09:48plain-userAlright, well i happen to be on a unix like os atm, how can i safely check it, just fsck /dev/sdc2?
07:10:03scorche`that'll work
07:12:09plain-userThe audio part of the file was read ok, just not the video. But i didnt needed it really. The sound went choppy as if the playback is being paused and the resumed in 0.5s again.
07:12:15plain-user/dev/sdc2: 610 files, 73792/1825497 clusters - that it? ))
07:13:02scorche`well, Rockbox's video playing capabilities are quite limited
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07:13:58scorche`you are likely best off demuxing the audio off into a separate file, though that is getting off-topic for this channel
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07:23:38plain-userOk! Thank you for the answers.
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07:44:13wodzpamaury: You are not right WRT .init and .bss overlap. The seqence is as follows: 1) .init section is copied to codecbuffer 2) following noload sections (.stack .bss ...) overlap .init . See imx31 app.lds for details (hint see the address rewinding of .stack). In imx233 linker script there is no sections overlap at all so while you copy off .init to some other place you do not reclaim the space.
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09:01:17fs-bluebotBuild Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 9cd3444, 249 builds, 32 clients.
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11:19:48wodzpamaury: see my comment about app.lds
11:25:39pamaurywodz: I still don't understand your comment
11:25:55pamauryboth .init and .codecbuf are at ENDAUDIOADDR
11:26:07pamaurysorry .codec
11:26:38*wodz looks
11:28:05pamaurymaybe I'm missing something but I'm under the impression that it behaves as expected
11:28:40pamaurythe imx31 does it exactly the same way
11:28:54pamauryexcept it uses an extra memory region but in the end it does the same trick
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11:37:56wodzpamaury: http://pastebin.com/k8SQQsc0 (readelf of f+ build) - segment 03 is .init with PhyAddr 0x600aec44 and size 0x01f40, .stack is placed at 0x600b0b84 (hint 0x600aec44 + 0x1f40) - so the memory occupied by .init IS not reclaimed
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11:46:03SovonHalderwould anyone please look at this ?
11:46:06SovonHalderhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,45688.msg224092.html#msg224092
11:47:03pamaurywodz: ah yes you're right, I forgot to move the stack/bss segment down
11:47:12wodz:-)
11:47:15gevaertsSovonHalder: that looks suspiciously like a bug I fixed a few days ago
11:47:47SovonHalderholy shit..
11:48:04wodzpamaury: if you rearange things a bit you could also reclaim space for .itext
11:48:08SovonHalderI just updated rockbox & when I disconnected the usb, I got the exact same error
11:48:39SovonHaldernormally rockbox asks fot a reboot permission but now my iPod is frozen on that panic screen
11:48:43SovonHalderwhat should I do ?
11:49:22gevaertsJust reset it, and if the new version isn't installed properly, use the fallback image from the emcore menu to try again
11:50:08SovonHalderI hold pressed the menu & play..it rebooted
11:50:26pamaurywodz: you're right again ^^
11:50:27SovonHalderthe system infro also shows current version..should I still be worried ?
11:50:33gevaertsYou were unlucky though, the version you had was just a few hours after that bug was introduced, so if you had installed just half a day earlier, you'd never have seen it :)_
11:52:52SovonHalderyou guys do the heavy works. I will never complain about a bug rather than reporting it..but NOW..i am using 837cad0-140109
11:52:59SovonHalderdo I need to do anything now ?
11:55:51SovonHalder?????
11:56:29wodzSovonHalder: sorry, I don't understand what you mean
11:57:04SovonHalderI mean my iPod. Do I need to do anything else like updating ..rebooting etc.. ??
11:58:15wodzSovonHalder: there was quite a bug squash party yesterday so running current build is recommended in your case
11:58:18wodzthats all
11:58:34SovonHalderthank you..
11:58:51SovonHalderLong Live Rockbox..Long Live Humanity...
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12:01:07SovonHalderBTW, I wanted to ask a dummy question..how do I know if my rockbox is properly installed ?
12:03:03wodzIf it works it is properly installed
12:05:54SovonHalderOkay..thanks.. :)
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12:23:32wodzany objections to unify coldfire lds scripts?
12:33:03pamaurywodz: if you are very courageous, you can try to unify the arm lds scripts, which would be a good idea but not so easy I think
12:37:08wodzpamaury: I'd rather not touch this
12:38:53wodzpamaury: there are considerable differences between various arm systems while coldfires are virtually the same (with the only notable exception of MCF5249 vs MCF5250 iram size)
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15:28:01wodzgevaerts: ping
15:28:38PurlingNayukiJdGordon: Fixed a stupid bug today and no more time to refactory volume limiter with CUSTOM_SETTING() :(
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15:34:44gevaertswodz: pong
15:37:41wodzgevaerts: Currently linker scripts are at fixed location: RAMLDS := $(FIRMDIR)/target/$(CPU)/$(MANUFACTURER)/app.lds. Is it possible to check hierarchically the presence of app.lds? I mean first check if $(FIRMDIR)/target/$(CPU)/$(MANUFACTURER)/app.lds is present and if so use this otherwise use $(FIRMDIR)/target/$(CPU)/app.lds
15:37:59gevaertsHmmmm
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15:38:04gevaertsAlmost certainly :)
15:43:17wodzgevaerts: how to do that?
15:45:13pamaurywodz: you can use a if conditional to set RAMLDS I think
15:46:12pamaurythere is a trick with wildcard:
15:46:12pamauryifeq ($(wildcard <path to file>,))
15:46:12pamauryRAMLDS = blabla
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15:46:12pamauryelse
15:46:12pamauryRAMLDS = bliblibli
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15:46:17pamauryendif
15:46:29gevaertsPossibly vpath
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15:49:47pamauryVPATH is not really a great idea but there is a clear priority in the choice here
15:49:57pamaurybut /me isn't a Makefile expert
15:50:03pamaurys/but/because
15:50:09gevaertspamaury: vpath and VPATH aren't the same :)
15:50:35gevaertshttps://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Selective-Search.html#Selective-Search
15:51:19pamauryah, could work then
15:54:26wodzthats beyond my ability to wrap head around I am afraid
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16:00:53pamaurythe ifeq solution is probably simpler
16:01:09wodzifeq ($(wildcard $(FIRMDIR)/target/$(CPU)/$(MANUFACTURER)/app.lds,)) returns *** invalid syntax in conditional.
16:01:50pamauryah yeah, small typo: ifeq ($(wildcard <path>),)
16:01:59wodzah
16:04:46wodzok, that works
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16:17:08wodzg#713 - tests welcome. I compared rockbox.map before and after change and everything looks ok
16:17:10fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #713 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/713 : 3 by Marcin Bukat (changes/13/713/1)
16:19:55wodzI mean I compared for iaudio x5, m3, iriver h100 and mpio hd300
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18:06:31chrisjjpamaury: Battery info update carried to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/compare/Main/TargetStatus?rev1=330;rev2=331 . Wouldn't it be nice for the port capability tables to be common-sourced? :)
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18:20:54pamaurythat would be a pain, not all port pages display the same information, use different formats
18:21:17pamauryport characteristics only change in the development phase so I don't think that's a real issue
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18:22:15pamaurythanks for the update anyway :)
18:23:26chrisjjUnnderstood, though that solvable, and note the master page does show same info in same format.
18:23:31chrisjjpamaury: at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus I propose to downgrade USB, Display, Button/Touchpad from Yes to Partial, and upgrade Dual Boot to Yes - to accord with the tests results of myself and others.
18:23:53chrisjjFor Creative ZEN and Creative ZEN X-Fi.
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18:34:43pamauryhum, why button/touchpad ? and usb ? And dual-boot doesn't really work because of the file system limitation. The port has huge stability problem because of power management probably.
18:34:57pamauryI have some potential fixes on track
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18:54:22chrisjjbutton/touchpad: incomplete e.g. Quick Screen missing.
18:54:47chrisjjUSB: often crashes on plug/unplug
18:55:14chrisjjDual-boot: ISWYM.
18:56:40chrisjjBTW, amongst five ZEN units here I now have units that demo all the issues on which I've received reports from others.
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18:57:43chrisjjInc. issues for which there is consistent variation between units.
18:58:32chrisjjIf you add a debug menu item displaying the hardware version number(s), I can list the results.
18:59:36chrisjjOutside the RB test suite I have another four units so would probably be able to let you examples of different hardware versions.
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19:00:12chrisjjThat's for Creative ZEN - not Creative ZEN X-Fi, which is far harder to obtain.
19:13:07pamaurythat's more an issue with keymapping, not button driver
19:14:33pamauryand I think the problem with USB is not actually related to USB, but to power management
19:16:25pamauryanyway, yeah it would be nice to try to understand the difference between the units, if there is one
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19:31:17kugelJdGordon: grr, %Vf and %Vg are dreaded tags
19:31:22kugelthey shouldnt exist
19:33:50chrisjj"that's more an issue with keymapping, not button driver" No doubt, but the capability in question is not button driver. It is "Button/touchpad".
19:35:11chrisjjRe USB, understood, I'm referring to the effect on the user rather than the casue seen by the developer. 'Cause I think this table is for the benefit of users more than developers.
19:35:40chrisjj"if there is one". No if about it :)
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19:42:53Guest27097When I plug my ipod into my computer it says that the ipod is empty and has a capacity of 0 bytes
19:43:26Guest27097its an ipod classic with emcore and rockbox v af4c55b-130512
19:47:17chrisjjpamaury: I made the revised update: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/compare/Main/TargetStatus?rev1=331;rev2=332
19:47:42chrisjjZEN X-Fi Display remains Yes.
19:49:36Guest27097nevermind, it finally worked after like 10 trys
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19:52:00chrisjjRe wiki, anyone know why edits fails to create revisions in my page http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Sandbox/TestHistory ?
19:52:46chrisjjpamaury: Thanks again for your great work on the ZENs.
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20:00:23scorche|shchrisjj: it rolls changes within a certain timeframe into the same edit if the author is the same
20:03:03chrisjjOn Port Status e.g. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaFuzePlusPort , first column's label "driver" is inappropriate to content e.g. Manual, Rockbox Utility. Anyone object to amendment to e.g. "Feature"?
20:08:20AlexPI don't expect anyone gives a shit, it isn't remotely important
20:08:26AlexPIf it makes you feel better, sure
20:09:21pamaurychrisjj: I don't mind, I don't think anyone cares
20:09:51chrisjjAnyone else, you mean :) Thanks.
20:09:54chrisjjpamaury: FYI, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/compare/Main/CreativeZENXFiPort Port Status now records my test results on Boot.
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20:13:01chrisjjPS I know three users care about this :)
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21:39:36pixelmakugel: I like %Vf and %Vb, making it easy to change colours of text or graphics (when monochrome bitmaps) conditionally, e.g. printing the volume in red or something when above 0dB - and not having to set up different viewports and change whole viewports around.
21:45:07pixelmaviewports with the same content even
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21:53:26wodz1) I pushed patch to gerrit (g#713) from one machine 2) cherry-picked this patch on other machine 3) developed other patch on top of this 3) when attempting to push this new patch (depended on g#713) I get error ! [remote rejected] HEAD -> refs/for/master (no changes made). What do I miss?
21:53:28fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #713 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/713 : 3coldfire: Use single app.lds script for all coldfires. by Marcin Bukat (changes/13/713/1)
21:53:31fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #713 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/713 : 3coldfire: Use single app.lds script for all coldfires. by Marcin Bukat (changes/13/713/1)
21:54:08fs-bluebotBuild Server message: 3New build round started. Revision d4d3f3c, 249 builds, 34 clients.
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22:08:55kugelpixelma: they are a nightmare to support in the code
22:09:24kugelfor colored text there is %Vs
22:12:09kugelwodz: I found gerrit rejects pushes without any changes
22:12:17kugeltry to push just the new commit
22:13:45wodzkugel: git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master should push just last commit, no?
22:14:40kugelI'm not sure what it's supposed to do, but as you found it doesnt do that
22:15:02wodzhmm
22:16:26wodzso, how am I supposed to push just last commit?
22:17:41kugelgit push origin HEAD:refs/for/master everything up to HEAD that isn't in master already
22:18:03kugelapparenty gerrit doesn't allow that in some cases
22:18:31wodzlovely
22:18:32kugelto push just the latest I think someting like git push origin HEAD..HEAD^:refs/for/master might work
22:18:44kugelperhaps torne messed up some config?
22:19:16wodzerror: src refspec HEAD..HEAD^ does not match any.
22:20:00kugelHEAD^..HEAD?
22:20:23wodzthe same
22:20:28kugelno idea then
22:20:56kugelcan you git push −−force?
22:21:40wodzdoesn't work either
22:22:18wodzmaybe I'll do dummy change to the commit which is on gerrit already
22:26:14wodzha, that did the trick.
22:26:48wodzso g#718 for brave testers
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22:28:57wodzkugel: please review g#711
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22:33:33pixelmato me mono bitmaps and foreground/ background colours is nicer for the effect(s) I usually want to achieve than having to load different bitmaps that just have different colours. Of course that's just the user/themer's point of view but I really don't want to see them gone
22:33:51kugelwodz: IMO entire cookie should be summed
22:33:58kugeli.e. the name field also
22:37:30wodzkugel: why? If something overflows the buffer there is little chance the crc happens to be correct. The second point is that name is variable len. And third is performance wise - smaller crc range = smaller overhead
22:37:53kugelunderflows
22:39:14wodzyou have cookie0|data0|cookie1|data1|... so if allocation 0 overflows it will corrupt cookie1, no?
22:39:27kugelyes
22:39:49kugelI mean bad writes to data1 can corrupt cookie1
22:40:03wodzthat also
22:40:21wodzah, I see what you mean
22:41:02wodzyes in that case name field can be corrupted but not detected
22:41:29wodzbut this is not critical (although bad of course)
22:42:00kugelthe name_len field can be corrupted
22:42:03kugeland this is critical
22:42:11wodzright
22:42:32kugelanyway if we check the cookie why stop halfway?
22:43:53wodzok, I'll look at this
22:44:00bertrikpamaury: another device question: would me getting a creative zen micro help? for hacking? is there *some* kind of chance I can hack it?
22:44:21bertrikI see a lot of these in 2nd hand sales
22:45:40bertrikoh, I see we already have a little bit of information on it :)
22:45:45wodzkugel: maybe simple byte checksum over cookie will be enough (should be faster then computing crc)?
22:47:02pamaurybertrik: what is the soc in the zen micro ? I'm not sure it's imx233
22:47:38bertrikit has a TI TMS 320 according to the wiki
22:48:12kugelcrc32 should be fast enough, especially with the lut approach
22:48:21pamaurywe have a port for it iirc but I don't know how much work it would be
22:48:30pamauryI don't have much interest in it though
22:49:50bertrikpamaury: you mean a compiler for the TMS? or do you mean there is a start of a port somewhere?
22:52:06pamaurybertrik: we have a ARM port for the tms320
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22:52:26pamauryfor the creative ZVM
22:52:44pamauryI don't know the actual state but there is some code
22:57:21wodzsansa connect uses this SoC also
22:58:14bertrikthe hard part is getting some code running and not bricking it IMO, I was hoping that that was already done
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23:02:26wodzbertrik: according to our wiki the hard part is that this particular variant has no free documentation http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TexasInstrumentsTMS320
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