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#rockbox log for 2014-01-13

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00:03:19JdGordonPurlingNayuki: hi! so close to being done :)
00:03:24JdGordonI've got 2 comments thouhg
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00:05:03saratoga_needs a manual entry for the limiter too i think
00:05:58PurlingNayukiJdGordon: Good news;-)one or two more Patchset to merge I think.
00:06:29JdGordonjust updated with comments
00:07:15lebelliuma brand new feature ready for v3.14, that's great :)
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00:12:29PurlingNayukiBut sorry haven't really ever used manual. Will take a look on it.
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00:14:15JdGordonPurlingNayuki: if you're very lucky you might be able to get one of the manual guys/gals to write it up for you :)
00:14:21saratoga_http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=manual/configure_rockbox/sound_settings.tex;
00:14:27JdGordonbluebrother^: or pixelma :)
00:14:33saratoga_put a sentence or two for each option in there
00:14:38saratoga_should be self explanatory
00:15:57kugelIIRC AlexP volunteered for writing manual entries in the past
00:20:13PurlingNayukisaratoga_: Thanks for "advice":-P
00:22:02PurlingNayukiBTW any plan to build the manual in more languages?
00:22:42PurlingNayukiJdGordon: What do you think about the splashf?
00:22:51JdGordonkugel: find_setting() in the quickscreen one isnt wrong, it is seting setting to the defaultvalue
00:23:07JdGordonPurlingNayuki: I was never 100% for it
00:23:18saratoga_i don't think having more languages would be feasible unfortunately given the huge amount of text involved
00:23:45kugelJdGordon: the one in qs_set_default()
00:23:46kugel?
00:23:50JdGordonyeah
00:23:51kugelthat call has no effect at all
00:24:12kugeloh wait, I misread find_setting()
00:24:26JdGordon:)
00:24:50kugelno, wait
00:25:37*kugel is confuzzled
00:25:51JdGordonwhich file is find_setting() in?
00:25:56JdGordonI'm using the web interface
00:26:05kugelsettings.c
00:26:08PurlingNayukiJdGordon: Then kill the splashf
00:26:16JdGordonPurlingNayuki: fine by me
00:26:22PurlingNayukiI don't actually like that
00:26:55JdGordonkugel: it iterates the settings list and puts the setting index into the quickscreens int*
00:27:25kugelright, what effect does that have?
00:27:42JdGordonthe quickscreen uses the index to put the item ont he screen
00:27:54PurlingNayukiBut I also came up with an idea that we count how many times users try to increase the volume over the limit
00:27:56JdGordoninstead of storing a pointer and needing to do lookups then
00:28:11JdGordonPurlingNayuki: then keep the splash and tweak it alter :)
00:28:13JdGordonlater*
00:29:04PurlingNayukiNo use explaining but just see my next patch set:-P
00:29:17kugelJdGordon: ok. fwiw, shouldn't there be an else? it'll still call find_setting with defaultval == NULL
00:29:27kugelPurlingNayuki: so you like the splash or not?
00:29:33kugelI would like to see it removed
00:30:41kugelit's useless because a) the user did explicitly enable the volume limiter so he shouldnt be surprised and b) there are plenty other possible indicators for volume changes (or non-changes)
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00:31:28kugelblocking splashes are generally annoying and should be avoided
00:31:53saratoga_i kind of like it, but maybe just show it the first time they try to go over max?
00:32:49saratoga_i could see how it would get annoying after a while otherwise
00:33:07kugelsplashes should indicate something exceptional, but that the volume is limited is to be expected if the volume limiter is enabled
00:33:39PurlingNayukikugel: IMO users do forget it sometimes so I need a "smarter" indicator.
00:34:02kugelhow do you know?
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00:34:47PurlingNayukiDiscussing groups and forum
00:34:55JdGordonkugel: I guess so, if you want to add an else go for it
00:35:06JdGordonusers ARE idiots :)
00:36:22kugelno, not all
00:36:56PurlingNayukiJust annoyed with users calling out for help while I have done almost everything for them.
00:38:38JdGordonthe reason to not have the splash is so users can be in the WPS and spin the volume wheel to full volume and not have the splash get in the way of the wps
00:39:10kugelon some targets you can change the volume in lists also
00:39:31PurlingNayukiWe have prebuilts, fonts and even pre packed themes but they just simply "Why my Rockbox can't display correctly". Terrible.
00:39:39kugelanyway, I don't see why to put an annoying splash in a situation that is to be expected
00:40:59PurlingNayukiWe count how many times users try to increase volume over the limit. If larger than 20 times we splashf. Is it OK?
00:41:55PurlingNayukiAnd 10 times for non-scrollwheel targets.
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00:42:57kugelthis is getting complex. 20 times per second or per minute?
00:43:02JdGordonif you're going to do that you should limit the spalsh to only showing once every 30s or so
00:43:31*kugel maintains his opinion that it shouldn't be shown at all
00:43:35PurlingNayukiper 3 secs should be fine.
00:44:26PurlingNayukiThat's really complicated and a bit redundant.
00:45:11JdGordonPurlingNayuki: how about adding a splash later on if it proves to be a problem?
00:45:15kugelhow about this one: remove the splash for now and add it if we really get reports of confused users?
00:45:30kugelahh, JdGordon was faster :)
00:45:31*PurlingNayuki is fine with removing it but [Saint] seems to be filled with love in a splashf.
00:45:58PurlingNayukikugel: Agree with you;-)
00:46:16PurlingNayukiJdGordon: And also with you;-)
00:47:27kugelPurlingNayuki, JdGordon: the complex custom menu part of that patch is because the volume isn't a compile time constant?
00:47:47kugelor did I miss something else?
00:48:35PurlingNayukiJust because the maximum and minimum volume varies from targets to targets
00:49:16PurlingNayukiBut we want the limiter to be done in apps/
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01:04:52saratoga_we trigger a build on a manual change? does it actually build the manual?
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02:11:33[Saint]I only wanted a splash IFF the volume displayed to the user was going to be directly misleading.
02:12:28[Saint]But I believed JdGordon mitigated this by always ensuring the volume displayed to the user for selection is within the bounds of the volume limit?
02:13:07[Saint]The problem I had was that it allowed the user to set a value for the volume that would be ignored with zero confirmation.
02:13:21[Saint]If that no longer exists, no splash needed.
02:14:02[Saint]If it is still possible for the user to set a value that will be immediately overridden, I would rather we inform.
02:16:25chrisjjpamaury: re ZEN BSoD, thanks for the good news. Note this issue is slightly different on ZEN v. ZEN X-Fi. Only the latter BSoDs between CREATIVE logo and bootloader text, IME.
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02:18:40[Saint]I think the problem isn't the splash but the fact it needs to exist at all.
02:18:44chrisjj"I have identified the ZEN black-screen-of-death culprit" I'm guessing not power management :)
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02:19:13[Saint]If the user can't ever select a value that is beyond the volume limiter, no need to splash at all.
02:19:31[Saint]PurlingNayuki: JdGordon: ^
02:20:35[Saint]I was under the impression JdGordon made it so the max volume the user can set is the capped limit, not the real limit.
02:20:42JdGordoncorrect
02:20:56[Saint]As long as that's the case, no need to splash.
02:21:25[Saint]I only wanted to splash when it was possible to set a bullshit value that would be silently ignored.
02:25:33[Saint]To recap: As long as the user is never able to select an "out of bounds" volume (higher than the capped limit), and a volume higher than the capped rate is never shown to the user except for the express purpose of setting the volume limiter, there's no need to splash. That would be intended functionality.
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02:34:30[Saint]Let's brainstorm a bit, please.
02:35:04[Saint]A perfect touchscreen theme for Rockbox would include...?:
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02:36:41[Saint](no wrong answers here - what are some UIs you like, why? - what features dies a "good" touch UI include? what information is a priority to you?)
02:39:52lebelliuma perfect touchscreen theme needs the theme engine to work properly for SBS and FMS ;)
02:41:59[Saint]And barring limitations I can't overcome...?
02:42:57[Saint]It is non-trivial to add full playback support to all screens via the .sbs
02:43:31[Saint]it is much more complicated than "it just doesn't work". So lets concentrate on things I can change.
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02:46:34lebelliumhere is how mine looks like http://imageshack.us/a/img62/8586/8t.png
02:46:43lebelliumso it shows what information I need
02:47:43JdGordontouch in th SBS is hard :p
02:47:48JdGordonthough, whats not working about it?
02:48:19[Saint]seek/skip
02:48:54[Saint]the wps_* tags are nuts.
02:49:10lebelliumJdGordon: then start with FMS :p
02:49:23[Saint]they control the UI instead of skipping/seeking
02:49:47[Saint]that's the major issue.
02:50:26lebelliumand the sbs refresh rate is much slower
02:50:58[Saint]I don't think JdGordon ever pushed dynamic refresh.
02:51:04[Saint]...I wonder why.
02:51:45[Saint]At one point he had it so screens only refreshed as often as the skin engine requested it.
02:52:02JdGordonwasnt there problems with it?
02:52:20[Saint]I can't remember.
02:52:28JdGordonG#191
02:52:30fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #191 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/191 : 3skin_engine: Use a smart consistant skin refresh rate for all screens by Jonathan Gordon (changes/91/191/2)
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02:54:35JdGordon[Saint]: can you put up a gdoc braindump of skin problems?
02:54:55JdGordonyou're almost guarenteed to not be online when im motivated enough to fix anything :(
02:55:03[Saint]As for as touch goes. the big outstanding issue which you've said multiple times is incredibly difficult to overcome, is the wps_next/prev tags scrolling through the lists instead of skipping/seeking.
02:55:15[Saint]Yeah, I can do that.
02:55:31[Saint]Kugel took care of a few biggies earlier.
02:55:57[Saint]I need to check to make sure I can discard some ugly workaround code later tonight.
02:56:12JdGordontouch buttons should be fixable
02:56:18JdGordoni just need time and a list
02:56:29JdGordonand an example sbs is always apreciated :)
02:56:32JdGordonLUNCH!
02:56:50[Saint]Right. I'll see what I can do this evening.
02:58:14JdGordonput up a list now so you dont forget :)
02:58:38*JdGordon used to have a mind map tingy on his phone for the different patches/bugs he was working on
02:58:45lebellium[Saint] JdGordon I have an example here https://www.dropbox.com/s/ohhab2fcw31eg9e/lebellium_Samsung-like_Touch_240x400_v0.85.zip There is SBS + WPS + FMS so it's a good basis to fix bugs
02:58:56[Saint]lebellium: that SS looks very feature barron.
02:59:14lebelliumSS?
02:59:15[Saint]It looks like it would force the user back into the lists for too often.
02:59:20[Saint]screenshot
02:59:29[Saint]*far too
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03:00:07lebelliumhum
03:00:22[Saint]Where is quickscren? context menu? playback control?
03:00:29lebelliumtry my link above ;)
03:00:37lebelliumnow time to go to bed
03:00:37[Saint](shuffle/repeat/etc.)
03:01:27lebelliumthere are some shortcuts depending on what area you touch (id3tags, album art etc) but indeed there are fewer shortcuts than with cabbiev2
03:01:32[Saint]the theme looks nice.
03:01:40[Saint]but it seems quite unusable.
03:01:59[Saint]no obvious control elements except for basic playback.
03:02:26[Saint]but it /looks/ nice.
03:02:27lebelliumonce you know which area you have to type, short or long press, I don't see the need of an explicit icon :)
03:02:48[Saint]thats rather broken, IMO.
03:03:13[Saint]touch elements shouldn't ever be invisible. the function should he obvious.
03:03:20[Saint]but that is difficult.
03:03:34[Saint]anyway, sleep well. o/
03:04:52[Saint]The difficult part is making sure users know what is a button, and what function it performs, and making it intuitive.
03:04:55lebelliumThat's a compromise, sure. Once the theme engine is fixed for SBS and FMS, I'll publish it on the theme website and I'll have to explain carefully in the description what area to touch for every shortcut. That's not the best way but wel...
03:05:39[Saint]I have been reading a lot about UI development, and pretty much all my past work is awful. Despite my best intentions.
03:06:40[Saint]I need to make my next candidate simple, without distracting colors, and obvious.
03:06:48[Saint]Simple and obvious.
03:07:04lebelliumAsk Apple :D
03:07:05[Saint]And flat.
03:07:43[Saint]No silly gradients everywhere, no making everything look 3D and rounded.
03:07:58[Saint]Its no longer 2000 :)
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03:08:17lebelliumhehe. Argh 3AM, I really need to sleep. And please don't forget my cabbiv2 progress bar fix :(
03:08:28[Saint]Sleep well.
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03:12:42PurlingNayuki[Saint]: That's true so kill the splashf
03:15:09PurlingNayukiWhere do Rockbox utility read lang strings when building voice?
03:31:00[Saint]langs folder.
03:31:30[Saint]I'm on mobile, cant remeber the exact path. whoops. not very useful.
03:34:06[Saint] /rockbox/apps/lang
03:52:50PurlingNayuki[Saint]: On Windows?
03:53:26[Saint]Oh, sorry. I thought you meant in the source.
03:53:36PurlingNayukiAnd without source
03:53:40PurlingNayuki:-(
03:54:00PurlingNayukiWill it download from rockbox.org?
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04:13:39saratogai think http://download.rockbox.org/daily/voices/
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04:59:42PurlingNayukisaratoga: It's download, not build
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05:13:00JdGordonPurlingNayuki: if you take the splash out and fix up the last comments i'll push it
05:16:25JdGordonit really would be nice if there was a compile time MAX_VOLUME define
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05:26:56VailAZdougI seem to have semi-bricked a sansa zip. The symptoms are: 1.>it will boot into the original sansa software by hitting the volume and power button at the same time. 2.> When just hitting the power button by itself, Rockbox shows the startup screen and does not go any further. I've tried to uninstall rockbox but there still is a boot stub. What do I remove. (will try to re-install rockbox after this mess is fixed) Thanks in advanc
05:26:56VailAZdouge.
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05:41:35PurlingNayukiJdGordon: Wait till tonight. Sorry but I have classes.
05:42:04JdGordoncool
05:45:54PurlingNayukiThis year Illusion be extremely busy with college applyling
05:46:04PurlingNayuki*I'll
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05:51:13PurlingNayukiJdGordon: IMO it shouldn't be diffcult to define one without rewriting tens of head files
05:51:55PurlingNayukiBut is it really of necessity?
05:55:52JdGordonit means we dont need the custom_option() mess
05:56:01JdGordonwhich in turn means it can go in the quickscreen
05:56:11JdGordonthough that isnt necessarily a good thing! :)
05:57:23PurlingNayukiTry this tonight.
05:57:55PurlingNayukiHow to generate needed-by and depends on un gerrit?
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05:58:58JdGordoni think it does it automatically if you push multiple commits instead of just a single one
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06:00:42PurlingNayukiNo wonder that I can't find a way to manually add this.
06:07:13PurlingNayukiWe can use INT_SETTING to setup this volume limiter...yeah it will be nice to have a compile time MAXVOLUME
06:08:08JdGordonit looks like there are only a few files which would need to be touched to add a #define
06:08:11PurlingNayukiAnd it's actually easy to add that.
06:08:19PurlingNayukiyes
06:08:30PurlingNayukiaudiohw.h
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06:49:04saratoga_VailAZdoug: you can either uninstall (see manual) or check the disk for errors and copy a new .rockbox folder over (which may or may not fix it depending on what the error is)
06:52:06VailAZdougsaratoga, I just copied over a clean copy of the sansa zip firmware file to the zip root. It's thinking right now with the normal sansa zip nonsense, creating a media database, which hopefully it will finish doing soon.
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07:41:48kugelPurlingNayuki, JdGordon: there is VOLUME_{MIN,MAX}. should be defined for all targets
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10:10:05gevaertssaratoga: yes, we do build one or two manuals to catch the worst errors
10:12:47PurlingNayukikugel: For all targets or some?
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10:38:26pixelmagevaerts: we do?
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10:42:27pixelmaPurlingNayuki: I haven't followed your code just read the discussions here - does the user get feedback about the volume limiter being enabled at all? I mean I could imagine some icon change in the status bar or so (even the built-in one)
10:43:52PurlingNayukipixelma: The limit is by default set to the maximum volume, and users can set this themselves.
10:44:14PurlingNayukiTo this point, they set the limit by themselves so no need to indicate.
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10:52:13PurlingNayukiJdGordon: G#697, hope this to be the final version.
10:52:15fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #697 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/697 : 3Implement volume limiter feature by PurlingNayuki (changes/97/697/19)
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10:56:09PurlingNayuki...Oops but actually not. Forget to bring the manual.
10:58:26pixelmaI meant for the case they enabled the feature (set a lower limit than maximum). As I imagine it, it would be nice to see at a first glance that something changed which limits what I can do about the volume. Just an idea though after reading the discussion here
10:59:17[Saint]I think its reasonable to expect the user to remember they enabled it explicitly.
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11:00:34lebelliumyou sometimes forget that you changed a setting in Rockbox
11:00:38lebelliumat least, it happens to me
11:01:20[Saint]By that measure, every setting needs a status bar icon.
11:01:20copperdamn it
11:01:25copperI made a mistake
11:02:13pixelmaI thought a simple icon change (somehow "locked volume" instead of the normal volume wasn't to intrusive and is like showing button lock too
11:02:19coppercould someone please replace "UPDATED January 12, 2013" with "UPDATED January 12, 2014" in the theme descriptions of my Googley themes? http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?searchtheme&searchword=Googley-Classic&searchtype=name and http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?searchtheme&searchword=Googley-FuzePlus&searchtype=name
11:03:24[Saint]pixelma: I believe it should be apparent by not being able to set the volume past a level that you _should_ remember setting previously.
11:03:30[Saint]But...maybe you're right.
11:03:49[Saint]It just seems a shame to keep on piling requirements on to this change.
11:03:54PurlingNayukiAny manual volunteer?
11:04:20[Saint]In reality, I suspect only those who actually know what it is will be using it. Like many of our settings.
11:05:25PurlingNayukiThe default is set to the maximum volume which equals to no limit, so I think it's fine not to give basic users any indicator.
11:06:01[Saint]There is a fine line.
11:06:10PurlingNayukicopper: Try upload again with the same name and email address.
11:06:13PurlingNayuki:P
11:06:15[Saint]But yes, we shouldn;t have to remind users they enabled an advanced feature.
11:06:45pixelma[Saint]: didn't you say you read about UI design? ;)
11:07:46PurlingNayukiAgain I'll say if users don't need this or don't understand this they will, or can simply ignore its existence.
11:07:48[Saint]I'm currently only reading about touchscreen flows.
11:08:31PurlingNayukiIf they're curious about this or need this, RTFM.
11:08:41copperPurlingNayuki: I'm not going to update my 14 themes all over again
11:08:58copperthe theme update process is excessively painful
11:09:02PurlingNayukicopper: That's a large work :(
11:09:04[Saint]If we really have issues with users setting it accidentally, post commit, then it would be easy to investigate a custom icon for volume in the status bar and cabbie.
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11:09:34[Saint]But at this stage I wouldn;t worry unless we find out it becomes a problem.
11:09:36gevaertspixelma: see e.g. http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=31dfabf;type=iriverh120manual
11:09:44wodzkugel: Please take a look at upadated g#711
11:09:45fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #711 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/711 : 3buflib: Add crc field protecting buflib cookie integrity by Marcin Bukat (changes/11/711/2)
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11:13:30PurlingNayukiBTW how to build a manual?
11:14:23wodzAnyone feeling like testing g#713 and g#718 on irivers and iaudios?
11:14:24fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #713 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/713 : 3 by Marcin Bukat (changes/13/713/2)
11:14:25fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #718 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/718 : 3coldfire: Implement HAVE_INIT_ATTR magic by Marcin Bukat (changes/18/718/1)
11:15:07wodzpamaury: ping
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11:19:26pamaurypong
11:19:32pamaurywodz: ^
11:20:26pixelmaPurlingNayuki: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebHome?topic=ManualHowto should still be ok
11:24:17wodzpamaury: I was thinking again about rk27xx usb driver. We cannot limit dma engine in how many data it will deliver directly but what about of getting data to intermediate buffer of max possible transfer size and memcpy from it later?
11:24:18PurlingNayukiJust read before you told me. Thanks anyway :)
11:26:27pamaurywodz: sure that's an option, it's just very annoying because you need one buffer per EP/dir, but with buflib it should be easy to allocate them
11:27:14wodzpamaury: We have problem with out EPs only, no?
11:27:26pamauryyeah
11:28:28wodzbut as you mentioned buflib allocated buffer for lowlevel driver I get scared :-)
11:31:08pamauryyou can allocate them statically but that a waste :-/ But yeah I am scraed too ^^
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11:32:15JdGordonthanks PurlingNayuki !
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11:44:43kugelJdGordon: hm. I mentioned that there are compile time defines for VOLUME_MIN and _MAX. thought you would investigate that before pushing
11:48:26PurlingNayukiJdGordon: Thank you and those who helpped me!
11:48:56PurlingNayukikugel: These is for some targets, but not for all.
11:49:18kugelreally? should be defined for all IIUC
11:50:32PurlingNayukikugel: Unfortunately no.
11:50:53PurlingNayukiI will do the job later when I finish meal
11:51:14kugelwodz: why didn't you add a "core_check_valid"?
11:52:34wodzkugel: didn't think about it honestly
11:52:42gevaertskugel: df1704 and pcm1792 have VOLUME_MIN and _MAX. as3514 has it in the c file, but not in a header. That's it
11:54:57kugelhm, perhaps it used to be there for every target? IIRC it controlled the steps the sim shows
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12:01:08gevaertskugel: there are ways to get at the numbers if you care about the actual volume setting, but they depend on deep preprocessor magic, and making those expand to a *different* setting is not at all easy
12:01:15*gevaerts did have a look at that a while ago
12:01:43gevaertsHave a look at how AUDIOHW_SETTING() is used
12:02:55gevaertsBasically the bit that "calls" AUDIOHW_SETTING() is included several times, each with a different definition for AUDIOHW_SETTING(), which then expands to various tables
12:03:30kugelsounds awkward
12:03:55gevaertss/awkward/horrible/ :)
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13:59:56lebelliumkugel (logs) [Saint] JdGordon : On Clip Zip USB seems to work better with my theme now. No issue so far, although I'm still not sure sure the USB screen is supposed to look like that: http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1600x1200q90/801/m1gg.jpg And well, it takes much more time to be recognized by the computer than with cabbiev2 but at least it works.
13:59:58lebelliumRDS issues seem to be gone too.
13:59:59lebelliumBut I have a huge problem with YP-R0. With the latest build, it crashes whenever I want to change the theme or when I go to sound settings.
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14:02:04lebelliumwell, more particularly when I cancel the maximum volume setting
14:04:31lebelliumwhen I want to change a theme it displays "loading" then crash
14:04:48lebelliumwhen I'm in the maximum volume setting and want to go back it displays "cancelled" then crash
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14:35:33funmanlebellium: how is your theme size? smaller than before?
14:37:03lebelliumfunman: hum I did not update my theme
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15:02:37toehser1Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
15:02:37toehser10x0000000000427c76 in volume_limit_is_changed (setting=0x8f5d1c <global_settings+1564>,
15:02:37toehser1 defaultval=0x0) at /home/tom/rockbox/git-tip/rockbox/apps/settings_list.c:681
15:02:37toehser1681 *(int*)defaultval = sound_max(SOUND_VOLUME);
15:02:51toehser1Funny, you guys were just talking about something volume related...
15:03:29toehser1Note, I haven't touched the volume or any settings related to volume...
15:08:09gevaertstoehser1: on boot?
15:08:21*gevaerts notices that the volume limit doesn't survive reboot
15:15:15gevaertsah, at least on shutdown
15:15:42toehser1no, after song skip for a while seeming ok
15:16:38gevaertssimilar. The ata_idle callback then probably
15:16:42gevaertsThat code can't work
15:17:26gevaerts"If this pointer is NULL, then put this value at the address it points to"
15:18:04wodzgevaerts: It will work of course - on arm it will overwrite reset vector most probably :-)
15:18:14gevaertsThere is that :)
15:18:38*gevaerts remembers calling a function pointer on gigabeat F and forgetting to set the pointer
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15:27:50gevaertstoehser1: that one should do it
15:29:52toehser1trying...
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15:32:28toehser1seems ok so far, what was the issue?
15:33:06gevaertsHave a look at the lines I removed, and try to figure out when they could ever have been correct :)
15:33:41gevaertsI suspect there was a distinct lack of coffee when that particular bit was written
15:36:44PurlingNayukiI'm confused with void* defaultval actually.
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15:47:23*gevaerts gives PurlingNayuki more coffee
15:47:36gevaertsThere, that should fix it :)
15:47:59*PurlingNayuki really appreciates it
15:48:04PurlingNayuki:)
15:50:00gevaertsPurlingNayuki: the way I understand it, you can have a pointer to a default value in CUSTOM_SETTING() (fourth argument). You set that to NULL, so you're not using it, but you could have static int somewhere with the default value, in which case the defaultval pointer in volume_limit_is_changed() and volume_limit_set_default() would make sense
15:51:53PurlingNayukiI was not using it because it accepts compile-time constant only :(
15:52:35PurlingNayukiThough I can use sound_max() anytime to get the default value so it seems not to be useful.
15:54:06gevaertsIn this case, indeed
15:54:13gevaertsBut you had some remnants in the code
15:54:28PurlingNayukiSo... remove it.
15:54:36gevaertsI did :)
15:54:51PurlingNayukiI did the bug and you remove the bug :O
15:55:01gevaertsIt happens to everyone!
15:55:10gevaertsI'm claiming it's JdGordon's fault, anyway
15:55:23PurlingNayukiOops... it wasn't.
15:56:13PurlingNayukiI got a brief test on my iPod Nano 2G, Sansa Fuze and Gigabeat S but it did survive. It's a little strange.
15:56:24PurlingNayukiOr it was due to my good luck? :)
15:56:57gevaertsNull-dereferences can be a bit variable on various hardware
15:57:44PurlingNayukiSo the bug varies from targets to targets.
15:58:20gevaertsCould be, yes
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17:13:13MarcAndersenHi. I am using the Danish language of Rockbox but some of the voice clips says something completely wrong, and that does not happen in the English voice file. Can I correct this?
17:13:55gevaertsMarcAndersen: that usually means that the language file is out of date
17:14:40MarcAndersenCan I do something here without a build environment?
17:15:20gevaertsSorry, I mean the voice file
17:15:51MarcAndersenI just rebuilt the voice though
17:16:20MarcAndersenfrom the latest dev build for sansa clip zip. It is correct in 3.13.
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17:36:47toehser1When playing on battery I'm seeing 55% full charge, when plugged into charger it shows only 22% full charge... huh?
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18:02:39copperpamaury: the guy with the LCD bug has a st7783 type display
18:02:59copperweird uh?
18:03:30pamauryyou mean the bug in plugins ?
18:05:08copperthe buffer overflow bug that kugel fixed
18:05:12copperthe video I made
18:05:39copperhttp://youtu.be/9F66xPfTzo8
18:06:55pamauryah ok, I thought you were talking about another bug
18:07:14copperweird that we both saw it but not you
18:07:16pamaurybut now we know the bug was not in the lcd driver
18:07:33pamauryI guess it depend on the displayed strings
18:07:59pamaurywith memory corruption, things can be pretty random
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18:18:10lebelliumkuge: see logs :)
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18:26:38kugellebellium: I already saw. Good news
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18:29:00lebelliumkugel: could you try the latest build on your R0 to see if you can reproduce the crash?
18:29:51kugellebellium: which crash?
18:30:14kugelthe one at the volume limiter setting was fixed, no?
18:30:22lebelliumhum
18:30:45lebelliumlet me check
18:31:25lebelliumI thought it was a different issue
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18:34:58lebelliumoh indeed
18:35:09lebelliumit's fixed
18:37:23lebelliumI mean, the volume limiter setting fix also fixed the crash when switching theme
18:37:34lebelliumI don't understand why but it works :)
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18:44:42kugelcool
18:51:01lebelliumkugel JdGordon However I have an issue in FMS (only): http://imageshack.com/a/img42/9673/ap0r.png the status bar doesn't display properly
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19:35:26felipelunahey, guys
19:35:42felipelunaso I'm just gonna ask this, anyone who knows, please answer
19:36:30felipelunathe nsf reader (based on libgme) loops on a nes "song" twice
19:36:39felipelunaI wanna change this to be N times
19:37:01felipelunaThere's a lot of code to understand and I thought I would ask here first
19:37:26felipelunaif it is already a parameter, it'd be great to know how can I change it
19:50:20kugellebellium: so no issues left apart from the USB screen weirdness?
19:51:43lebelliumapparently not
19:52:07lebelliumbut I wouldn't dare to say the USB connection is fixed after about 10-15 try
19:52:19lebelliumI'd like to try more
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20:41:12fmlIt's known that I'm a TeX maniac :-) In the last commit to wps_tags.tex there is an unneeded space before ".\newline", if I'm not mistaken.
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21:41:08rixonyo! can someone add me to WikiUsersGroup? username PaulKenyon
21:43:46rixonit's so I can add a model to the SigmaTel page
21:44:27AlexPrixon: Done
21:44:48rixonThanks AlexP
21:44:54AlexPyou're welcome
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22:03:53pamaurywodz: because several transfer can happen simultanously ?
22:06:03wodzCan they really? I mean on the wire the communication IS serial so how is it possible to have a few simultanously?
22:06:19wodzpamaury:^
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22:08:16b0hoonZagor, Bagder: (logs): Could you update the main site, please?
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22:22:14pamaurywodz: you can have several transfers per frame
22:22:49pamauryand anyway, the host can send data for EP0 (say) then EP1 on the next frame and in between you didn't have time to copy the data
22:23:13pamaurywith one buffer that would oblige you to really allow only one receive transfer at the time
22:23:38pamaurywhich is pretty much impossible if you don't know in which order they will arrive ?!
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22:31:44b0hoonpamaury: I don't feel strong enough to face with it :)
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22:34:04b0hoonHowever wiki should be updated, it's misleading for a new ports.
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22:37:26b0hoonIt will be better if i'll stick to a simpler tasks :P, right now i'm trying to fix the backlight for the hdd1630.
22:39:22kugelb0hoon: nice to see you back anyway!
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22:40:16kugelb0hoon: I didnt want to put you off, but this target tree pattern split ($manuf vs $soc) has been debated a lot of times, and if it was as simple as renaming it would have been done long ago
22:40:28b0hoonkugel: heh thanks, but time will show how much time i'll have to spend here
22:41:05b0hoonkugel: yeah i know...
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22:42:53kugelbasically nothing has been done because we don't know how to handle PP best (it's a very manifold platform), the older coldfire etc should be relatively simple
22:43:16kugeland it's not a high priority task too
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22:47:07b0hoonyes, i was thinking the same thing, it's not that important, so for now i'll pass.
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