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#rockbox log for 2014-01-29

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08:29:20copperhttps://outpost.fr/Jdp → anythingbutipod.com: New model: Clip Sport - Sansa Clip / Clip+ / Clip Zip - abi>>forums
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10:08:50PurlingNayukikugel: I can't get access to gerrit these days but I want to tell you that G#384 builds and works fine on several non-touchscreen targets.
10:08:54fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #384 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/384 : 3Touchscreen: Show a line separator in lists. by Thomas Martitz <kugel@rockbox.org>
10:11:29PurlingNayukikugel:But there's a small problem, that the second line sperator is actually 2 times the height as configured.
10:19:45kugel_PurlingNayuki: the second?
10:20:05kugel_if you refer to the one below the title then that's intended
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15:17:38chrisjjPurlingNayuki: "fine on several non-touchscreen targets" meaning it takes effect, or it does not?
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16:09:24[Saint]chrisjj: is "works fine" non-obvious?
16:12:50toehserSaw a reference to the clip sport coming in 16GB form... I'm in if it does, gets me from 72 to 80...
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16:13:46copperand with 25h battery life
16:14:10[Saint]but still a happy meal toy.
16:14:13[Saint]:)
16:14:37toehserI can't imagine they would still make the zip, guessing it is a zip+ upgrade that will replace zip?
16:16:03[Saint]odds are its essentially the exact same device(s) with very trivial differences.
16:16:54toehserwww.kernelsoftware.com/products/catalog/sandisk.html lists colors/sizes/prices
16:17:23[Saint]new shell, different screen, and rather miserable storage for today.
16:17:38[Saint]i wish people woukd stop buying them.
16:17:53[Saint]...then they'd stop making them.
16:18:16toehserWhat is better, given the constraint that I keep it in my pant pocket 24x6, so it can't be larger?
16:18:26toehser7
16:18:26ZincAlloyfor some reason people are not into high storage devices. maybe because most don't have that much music to carry around
16:18:55toehserHuh? ClipZip w/ 64gb card and another on a tether is 136GB... 72 at a time
16:19:15toehserI love high storage, as long as it is flash...
16:19:48[Saint]which is why Ibhave a 256GB SSD iPod.
16:19:55[Saint]-b
16:19:56toehserIf I could get a ClipZip with 512GB of flash built in, I would pay $500.
16:20:08[Saint]no you wouldn't.
16:20:12[Saint]thats silly.
16:20:43coppernavigating such large collections on such a small thing is insane
16:21:00[Saint]yep.
16:21:00copperFuze+ or bust
16:21:04toehserFor my needs, yes I would! I have 1.4T of audio, I would love to be able to carry a third of it!
16:21:31toehserI don't have problems navigating. They invented this thing called "subdirectories".
16:21:57[Saint]great when you can see a whole...what, 4 lines at a tine?
16:22:01[Saint]*time
16:22:04[Saint]:p
16:22:17[Saint]must be awesome.
16:23:01toehserThat's why I wrote my own theme. 9 legible lines.
16:23:34[Saint]Ooooohhhh 9, well. I apologize.
16:23:49copperlol
16:24:58toehserOf course, 1 is the status bar and 1 is the directory name, so really only 7. But I would WAY sacrifice form factor in my pocket for this. It isn't even CLOSE for me.
16:26:27toehserOf course, I understand, you're all probably wanting to squint at porn videos on the Fuze+ screen, the Zip just isn't satisfying that way... :)
16:27:19ZincAlloy8 lines here.
16:27:40[Saint]I'd say most of us carry around 4~5+ inches of full HD for video.
16:28:05[Saint]video on a DAP is for amusements sake. Little more.
16:30:16*[Saint] adds "these days"
16:30:36[Saint]DAPs are becoming increasingly irrelevant.
16:35:41copperexcept with smartphones lacking SD card readers
16:35:50copper(yay Google Nexus)
16:36:57copperand iPhones
16:37:08copperand smartphones with large storage are super expensive
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16:39:21copperand battery life sucks, and you might want to store stuff other than music, taking up extra space
16:39:25ZincAlloyand you wouldn't want to carry your expensive smartphone with you in the gym or when running.. I can see why sandisk are trying to sell the new clip to the sporty kind of people..
16:39:46copperI keep my smartphone in my pocket at the gym, but I don't run
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16:40:00copperI use it to write down my performance, and to time myself
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16:45:28*[Saint] points out that data makes storage irrelevant on a mobile
16:46:10[Saint]Every single piece of non-app data on my phone is streamed on demand.
16:46:16[Saint]its 2014.
16:46:58copperyeah and 3G still sucks ass
16:47:15copperI get no signal in half the buildings in my town
16:47:16gevaertsYou only need storage because you have data
16:47:26[Saint]LTE, yo.
16:48:04coppermy smartphone is 2 years old, yo, and I'm not gonna spend €400 or more again, yo
16:48:23copperand 4G coverage is still spotty, yo
16:48:40[Saint]get a new country ;)
16:49:23[Saint](or just a better telco?)
16:49:32copperI don't see why I should pay "rent" for my data
16:49:45copperalso, trains and airplanes, yo
16:50:11coppernothing beats an iPod Classic for 100% availability
16:50:17[Saint]there's this magic thing called a cache.
16:50:49copperif I have enough cache, I don't need to stream
16:51:49copperstreaming is a constraint, not a solution
16:52:18toehserStreaming clouds is an overcomplication for mobile music, I find my Zip a much better approach, for all the reasons mentioned and more.
16:52:27[Saint]the way we're heading, I doubt that feeling is shared by all.
16:52:32[Saint]very much.
16:53:49toehserIf even 5% of users really care for what a DAP provides, Sansa will be able to keep selling enough of them :)
16:54:02[Saint]More and more people are realizing data is cheap and available (sorry if your country sucks. mine doesnt, nor do many others) and that carrying several devices that do exactly one thing each is unnecessary.
16:54:50copper"several devices that do exactly one thing each"
16:54:54copperlike real cameras?
16:55:40toehserYes they make coffee cups with barometers and earmuffs.
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16:55:57toehserUnix philosophy. Each component does one thing well.
16:56:03[Saint]Exactly. For most people, their cell is perfectly fine. We're talking about devices with better resolution than some dedicated cameras.
16:56:14*gevaerts isn't sure how relevant this discussion is for rockbox
16:56:21toehserpoint granted
16:56:24[Saint]More people are realizing this.
16:57:22coppersmartphone cameras suck
16:57:26toehserNo cell phone camera is even close to a $100 dedicated camera. But I'll drop it as off topic...
16:58:06[Saint]...says the guy rocking 2 year old HW.
16:58:16[Saint]But, gah...
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20:41:40gevaertskugel, pamaury: you were most interested in gsoc last year, do you want to try again this year?
20:42:58gevaerts(other devs: feel free to jump in too)
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21:05:38scorche|sheither way, i do not think 2 interested devs are enough
21:05:47scorche|shand i believe pamaury said he didnt have time for it this year
21:06:01gevaertsOh, I agree we need more
21:06:39gevaertsBut I think they're the two most active people at the moment, so if they're out, I think we're definitely out
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21:27:47[Saint]Its kinda sad to be "that guy", but I'm fairly sure we all knew something really extraordinary needed to happen to get a proposal in this year, let along get accepted.
21:28:07[Saint]*let alone
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22:53:44pamaurygevaerts: yeah I'm sorry this year I simply don't have the time, I will have to start writing my PhD soon, lot of work in perspective
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22:57:23[Saint]The last one was /almost/ certainly "the last roll in the hay", as it were.
22:57:33[Saint]s/last one/last one attended/
22:59:14gevaertsMaybe, but it still needs to be discussed I think :)
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