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#rockbox log for 2014-02-02

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00:20:27[Saint]ensemble doesn't actually seem to be a valid tag.
00:20:42[Saint]...why am I not surprised.
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01:38:11diatomHello
01:39:37[Saint]Hi. If you have a (Rockbox related) question, just ask it.
01:39:42diatomGuys, should ibuy a Yp r0 for10$?
01:39:58[Saint]If you want one. Go for it.
01:41:08diatomIs a rockbox Firmware out for the yp r0?
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01:42:09pamaurythere is an unstable port yes
01:42:22[Saint]http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SamsungYPR0
01:42:30[Saint]The YP-R0 port is a bit "special"
01:42:48diatomWhy?
01:42:50[Saint]As its one of the very few times where Rockbox is a full firmware replacement.
01:43:07[Saint]*isn't I mean.
01:45:02diatomThanks for the answer. Should I install rockbox on it or should I just wait until a stable port comes out?
01:45:53[Saint]A "stable" port may never come out. And the "stable"/"unstable"/"unusable" classifications aren't particularly useful to users.
01:46:50[Saint]They don;t necessarily mean what a user thinks they do. Its mostly a set of internal requirements that it needs to meet to reach a particular classification. An "unusable" target, for instance, may be perfectly "usable", and seemingly "stable".
01:47:53diatomSo I can install it without fear
01:48:19[Saint]With the YP-R0, yes.
01:48:31[Saint]There is a 100% recovery rate, IFF the hardware is functional.
01:49:07[Saint](I had one die inexplicably on me, but it had nothing to do with Rockbox at all. It was just that players time to go. :))
01:49:21diatomOkay.
01:49:51[Saint]It is definitely better than the original software.
01:49:58diatomThanks again Guys
01:49:59[Saint]Very much so.
01:50:36[Saint]Come back and see us when it gets delivered. $10 is a pretty good deal if its all working and functional.
01:51:03[Saint]I sold a completely dead one for more than that.
01:51:45diatomThe Guy who wants to sell it to me says that the device is very buggy.
01:52:46diatomI could tell him about Rockbox, but I won't :)
01:55:43[Saint]The original firmware is terrible.
01:55:50[Saint]So, yeah. Socore. :)
01:55:54[Saint]*score
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02:00:21*kuldeepdhaka requested some pudn files, anyone thought of helping the poor guy?
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02:08:47ikeboy<[Saint]> There is a 100% recovery rate, IFF the hardware is functional. Doesn't everything work except the times it fails :)
02:09:17[Saint]Yep. 100% of the time when it works, it works. ;)
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03:11:02chrisjj[Saint]: "ensemble doesn't actually seem to be a valid tag." I think you're mistaken. It works fine.
03:11:41[Saint]tagcache.c does absolutely nothing with it.
03:11:57[Saint]so in turn, I can't see how tagnavi does.
03:13:49[Saint]WHat is the basis for saying "it works fine".
03:13:54[Saint]It works fine *where*?
03:15:36[Saint]Ugh. FUck me. How did I miss that.
03:15:43chrisjj"tagcache.c does absolutely nothing with it." See tagtree.c
03:16:02chrisjjhttp://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e9766477b37579bfa0249fa17818da8d348db7f
03:16:16chrisjj"WHat is the basis for saying "it works fine". Usage results.
03:16:29chrisjj"It works fine *where*?" tagnavi
03:27:26[Saint]Huh. My mistake indeed. Its a clone of albumartist.
03:27:39[Saint]I wonder what purpose that serves.
03:28:35[Saint]I was looking in tagcache.c solely (where it technically is catered for, but not as "ensemble").
03:30:20chrisjjThe purpose I guess is accordance with ID3-compliant TPE2 : "Band/orchestra/accompaniment".
03:32:45chrisjjBye for now.
03:32:48[Saint]I've only ever known TPE2 to be "Album Artist".
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03:36:29chrisjjLet's agree to disagree on the the importance of standards.
03:38:18[Saint]I can't off the top of my head think of any app that doesn't treat TPE2 as album artist.
03:38:32[Saint]If not solely because "its what everyone else was doing".
03:38:40[Saint]Oh. I think Foobar might be the outlier.
03:42:32[Saint]Its all a mess I guess. id3v2.4 makes no mention of "ensemble" anywhere, so I guess its open to interpretation. I suppose something, somewhere, used it for it to be added as an albumartist clone to tagtree in the first place.
03:45:26*kuldeepdhaka got finally got pudn.com account active. happy to help others. :)
03:46:56[Saint]With my understanding of how the tags are used, TPE1 would be a better fit for "ensemble" as I understand the word.
03:47:07[Saint]Yay for odd made up frames.
03:48:38[Saint]TPE2 would just be "Joe Blogs", whereas TPE1 could be "Joe Blogs ft. Sammy, Billy and Bobby" which seems like a better fit.
03:58:30chrisjjThat's a bad fit. TPE1 is Lead performer(s) / Soloist(s).
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04:00:25chrisjj"id3v2.4 makes no mention of "ensemble" anywhere" ensemble is a synonym of group or band. ID3 defined TPE2 using the term band.
04:05:57chrisjjUsing TPE2 for album artist is an abuse, pioneered by iTunes and Winamp. Sadly Mp3tag recently changed to follow that, breaking script/config compatibility.
04:06:40[Saint]Its all getting very meta, but, TPE2 as album artist is what pretty much everything but Foobar does.
04:06:59[Saint]Even Foobar may now, I forget.
04:07:29chrisjjEverything but MP3tag too, until recently.
04:08:16chrisjjBut now recently Mp3tag has switched - breaking compatibility with its own script/config format
04:09:16chrisjjMiika clearly knows his stuff. By covering both uses of TPE2 in tagnavi, he's avoided dumping RB into that mess.
04:10:44chrisjjStrange though that the standard RB tagnavi does not make use of this - to offer Band on the menu.
04:11:13[Saint]Probably because it would be confusing having two identical fields.
04:12:18chrisjjThey wouldn't be identical in name, and the name here avoids confusion on which usage is current.
04:12:52chrisjjIt would be even more confusing to have band appear as Album Artist, as was the case in Mp3tag.
04:13:26[Saint]Sadly, this is a case where, spec or no spec, if you're the minority - you're doing it wrong.
04:14:13chrisjjBecause RB support both ways, it is right regardless.
04:15:23chrisjjWhat was wrong was ID3 dictating a fixed field set. This mistake was not repeated e.g. later by Vorbis comments.
04:15:24[Saint]Right. ANd there's nothing stopping users from editing the tagnavi so it says Album Artist, Band, or Wicky Wacky Woo, but it would be confusing (IMO) if there were two differently named fields with identical content.
04:15:34chrisjjAgreed.
04:15:58chrisjjRB, unlike Mp3tag, has to cover a complete library simultaneously.
04:16:38chrisjjOops, I retract that Agreed.
04:17:05chrisjjWhat I do think would be confusing is a mixture of tracks using the different interpretations.
04:17:22[Saint]They would all end up in the same place.
04:17:50chrisjjTwo menu items showing the same content is less than ideal, I agree, but less confusing to someone who deliberately uses only one.
04:18:20[Saint]whether tagnavi sorts by "album_artist" or "ensemble", its still going to come up with the same results. Regardless how the tag is used.
04:18:34[Saint]as both point to the same tag.
04:18:53chrisjjSure, but at least both kind of user are catered for.
04:19:19chrisjje.g. If you use TPe2 for Band, you ignore Album Artist.
04:19:24chrisjjAnd vice versa.
04:21:25chrisjjMust go.
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05:43:25scorcheforums are going into maintenance mode for a while - going to see about a number of upgrades
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06:00:22scorchesnapshop being created...
06:00:46scorcherather, snapshot created
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07:04:51scorchelooks like themes. and translate. didnt make it past the dist-upgrade - diagnosing now...
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08:13:48scorchethats better - taking another snapshot before attempt to upgrade forums...
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11:20:58kugelthe ypr1 is pretty horrible
11:21:55lebelliumwhat exactly?
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11:23:47kugelthe OF
11:23:52lebelliumah
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11:24:21kugelhw-wise I don't like the lack of microsd and volume buttons on the side
11:24:34lebelliumfortunately you don't have my sample device with beta firmware 0.77. Imagine how bad it is compared to latest v3.07 :D
11:24:35kugeland the proprietary usb cable. why did they do that
11:24:59lebelliumI wrote the wiki page some weeks ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YP-R1
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11:26:51lebelliumabout the USB cable, you don't know the Samsung history enough if you ask that
11:26:54lebellium:)
11:27:20kugelclearly
11:28:29kugelhm, it has a deep sleep mode?
11:28:39kugelcan we possibly use that too?
11:29:00kugellebellium: where is lorenzo92 these days?
11:29:50lebelliumIt has the same sleep mode as YP-R0. And it's a battery killer. I asked Samsung Korea to remove this stupid feature but it was too much work so they said 'no'
11:30:07lebelliumSo I hope we'll never use that sleep mode in Rockbox :)
11:30:29kugelhow's it a battery killer?
11:30:32lebelliumkugel: he's probably busy with university
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11:52:59[Saint]What makes you think I can do any more about it than you can?
11:53:22[Saint]Prodding me to do something you can do yourself is a little crap.
11:53:54[Saint]Newsflash: I have little time for hobby projects.
11:54:03AlexPif someone wants to fix whatever it is I'll commit it :)
11:54:35lebellium[Saint]: I already sent you the dirty fix for progress bar long time ago so that you can check if it's OK and if it is, make a patch or commit it, you know that I can't and won't do that
11:55:07[Saint]then you shouldn't expect me to.
11:55:12[Saint]or anyone else.
11:55:28lebelliumyou could at least tell me if my fix is OK...
11:55:40lebelliumeven if you don't want or don't have time to publish it
11:56:20[Saint]It's a single digit change, it don't recall it needing approval.
11:56:38lebelliumit was more than that...
11:57:03lebelliumfor the cabbiev2 128x128 text position, it's a single digit change indeed, but not for the progress bar in cabbiev2 240x400
11:57:36[Saint]Anyway. Ive had zero time for months. It really isn't my fault you have issues with gerrit.
11:57:40[Saint]Im sorry.
11:57:44[Saint]But it isn't.
11:58:28lebelliumat least now you replied and I understood. It's better than ignoring my words like you did the last times
11:58:46kugellebellium: I'm sorry that he's frustrated but my spare time is limited as well
11:59:09[Saint]we're all getting old. :)
11:59:10kugeland to be honest, it could have been merged earlier if he didn't make the same mistakes again and again
11:59:39lebelliumAlexP: If I send you a new WPS for a minor fix in cabbiev2, is it OK? Or do you necessarily need a gerrit patch?
11:59:50lebelliumcabbiev2 128x128 *
11:59:59kugelI reviewed a lot of his patches, they're fine for the most part (technically) but he repeats the same style guide violations
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12:00:26AlexPlebellium: I'd prefer it as a diff, but it doesn't have to be gerrit
12:00:59[Saint]I'm sure AlexP could "rewrite" it, for licensing's sake.
12:01:55AlexPdoes lebellium not have a real name or something?
12:01:56kugellebellium: you seem to be thinking that [Saint] can commit to rockbox git master which isn't the case
12:02:21[Saint]Not for lack of me mentioning this...
12:03:00lebelliumI just thought he doesn't want to commit to git master, I was not sure about his real rights
12:03:52[Saint]I had no desire to be a committer even when i was active.
12:04:03[Saint]gerrit review suited me fine.
12:04:23[Saint]In many ways its better.
12:05:16lebelliumAlexP: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=wps/cabbiev2.128x128x16.wps;h=86062ab5d9ea0679113cc29ac2643ff149692694;hb=7272a95 just replace at line 51: 70 by 73 so that we get http://imageshack.com/a/img191/8049/p3y3.jpg instead of current http://imageshack.com/a/img835/5600/ubna.jpg
12:05:21[Saint]To be fair, the change log could make who is a committer and who isn't totally non-obvious, though.
12:05:36[Saint]As youd see a from commits from me.
12:05:56AlexPlebellium: ok, name?
12:05:56[Saint]But, thats a bit of gerrit trickery.
12:06:12lebelliumAlexP: I have no real name :)
12:06:27AlexPOh
12:06:38lebelliumwell I have one on the wiki now: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LudovicJacques
12:06:42[Saint]Thats why i said earlier about "rewriting".
12:06:48AlexPuh huh
12:06:50[Saint]Else it gets problematic.
12:06:58AlexPwell for this it doesn't matter
12:07:08AlexPthere's only one way to do that
12:07:26lebelliumwhen people commit something for which I helped a bit, they just write "lebellium"
12:07:50[Saint]Right. But that would break policy here.
12:08:03AlexPnot really in keeping with the real name policy
12:08:22lebelliumlebellium">http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git&a=search&h=7272a95&st=commit&s=lebellium
12:08:22AlexPfor this it is fine, but not other stuff
12:08:27kugellebellium: so what name do you go by at public authorities?
12:08:39lebelliumkugel: nice try
12:08:48AlexPI'm not sure about those
12:09:09AlexPwe've rejected much bigger contributions before for lack of openness
12:09:17[Saint]commit messages dont count.
12:09:32[Saint]we could call you Jane there :)
12:09:39AlexPif someone is unwilling to be open with us, then sorry
12:09:52[Saint]^totally this
12:09:57lebelliumI'm officially Ludovic Jacques on the Rockbox wiki. Use that one if you really want to...
12:10:02AlexPno
12:10:13AlexPas we know it is made up
12:10:30lebelliumthen don't credit
12:10:32lebelliumjust make the change
12:10:35lebelliumI really don't care
12:10:40lebelliumI just want things to be fixed
12:10:41AlexPthat isn't the point
12:10:45[Saint]Knowing that. it shouldn't even exist.
12:10:47AlexPthen be open
12:10:54[Saint]The wiki has a real name policy too.
12:10:59AlexPfor this change it is fine
12:11:13AlexPBut not for more in depth stuff
12:11:30lebelliumAlexP: I will never make more in depth stuff, I'm not a dev
12:11:36AlexPI'll fix that one in a bit when I'm at a computer not a tablet
12:11:42AlexPok then
12:11:54kugellebellium: so you do have a real name but don't want to tell
12:12:10lebelliumkugel: we already discussed that many times here, please...
12:12:24AlexPis a bit sad
12:12:24[Saint]Just remember that this could've been over months ago with a patch submission to gerrit.
12:12:33*kugel didn't take part in that discussions
12:12:45AlexPBut if people are paranoid there isn't much you can do
12:12:49[Saint]Allbfor the sake of a bame thats out there if you look hard enough abyway.
12:12:52[Saint]itbis sad.
12:12:57[Saint]*it is
12:13:54lebelliumI don't see why a website would force me to give my real name. Well, there is google/youtube now... but before rockbox was the only one.
12:14:06AlexPit isn't the website
12:14:12AlexPit is to contribute
12:14:14lebelliumif you don't want my help because I'm not "open" (lol), then don't.
12:14:17[Saint]try,"license requirement".
12:14:23AlexPwe don't
12:14:38[Saint]its not just us makig an arbitrary decision.
12:14:49kugellebellium: I personally don't care about your real name but licensing stuff requires this
12:15:15AlexPanyway, it doesn't matter for this thing, I'll fix it later on
12:15:30lebelliumkugel: just put your name instead, I won't suie you because I'm not credited as the original author or whatever, I don't care
12:18:18lebelliumIt's so boring
12:18:33[Saint]I'm a little uneasy about it being out in the open now that the wiki's realname policy was duped.
12:18:48lebellium[Saint]: nothing new
12:18:57lebelliumbut maybe you didn't follow the discussions like Kugel
12:19:07[Saint]Me knowing it personally was one thing, it being a "fact" now is another.
12:19:38[Saint]Everyone else either abides or maintains the charade.
12:19:47lebelliumdo what you want, that really starts to get on my nerves
12:20:20kugeland uber-paranoid people get on my nerves
12:21:30lebelliumthen delete my account and stop annoying me with that
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12:26:27kugelright, I've suspended your write access to the wiki
12:26:39kugelplease respect our policy even if you don't agree with that
12:27:03lebelliumI won't
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12:29:51lebelliumBut good to see how you encourage the few people still active not to help further you because of a few administratives problems
12:30:05lebellium-you
12:31:12AlexPIt's a very long standing policy
12:31:21AlexPIt is you who are being problematic here
12:31:30AlexPBut anyway, this argument is pointless
12:31:38AlexPI propose it stops now
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12:42:47lebelliumIs there a particular way to reach the steering board?
12:43:20kugelwell, contact any of its members I'd say
12:43:26AlexPI think there is an email address
12:43:31kugelbut the steering board is not needed
12:44:06kugelI guess pamaury just made a mistake or wasn't aware how serious we take the policy. let's hear him first
12:44:27AlexPlebellium: rsb at rockbox.org for referrence
12:44:46kugeloh right
12:45:16lebelliumhe probably thought making an exception so that I can help is more important than respecting stricly the policy without analysing the context
12:45:26lebelliumthanks Alexp
12:45:27kugelI'm not sure what you're on now, you said "do what you want" and that you do not care
12:46:44AlexPI don't want to be difficult by the way
12:46:48lebelliumkugel: I said "do what you want" because I know you have the powers and can do what you want regardless what I say
12:47:11AlexPThe discussion in my opinion is at what point is the cut off
12:47:18lebelliumBut I want to help further the way I have done it for 2/3 years now
12:47:36AlexPIMO it is to contribute code
12:47:42kugelyour help is appreciated (and still is)
12:47:45AlexP(Forgetting the wiki for the minute)
12:47:55AlexPReporting bugs etc., no problem
12:48:15lebelliumI know that coding would be way more useful than what I do currently
12:48:21AlexPThe question comes with what other contributions need it?
12:48:27AlexPAnd I don't know what the cut off is
12:49:20kugelwe only care about real names when touches copyright law, that is code and artistic contributions. we don't need it for testing or bug reports or user support in this channel
12:50:06lebelliumso why do need real name for the wiki?
12:50:22lebelliumI don't have a dev account
12:50:34lebelliumI don't commit anything
12:50:40kugelI respect and accept that you do not want give your name but you have to respect and accept that we cannot take significant code and artistic contributions this way
12:50:53kugelbut you can still help out massively in other ways
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12:51:40lebelliumWhat I edit on the wiki is not a code or artistic contribution (note that I gave my real real name for themes publishing)
12:52:18kugelif you give your real name for theme publishing why don't you give it for the wiki?
12:53:28kugelthat name is presented on our website
12:55:22lebelliumbecause I was obliged to if I didn't want my themes to be removed. Since I really wanted my themes to be available to download, I made this concession but I sweared it would be the only one. What you ask for the wiki or minor wps fixes suggestions is too much
12:55:48copperwhy can't someone else take credit for it?
12:56:47copperif the change is sound and trivial, who cares
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12:58:26kugelcopper: right
12:59:06kugelcopper: we can take trivial things, like said earlier, but nothign significat
12:59:23gevaertsSometimes, yes, on a case by case basis, if someone wants to do it
12:59:29copperI don't quite understand the big deal about "real names" - it's not like you ask for a picture of official ID
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13:00:15gevaertsBut then you don't get to complain if the patch isn't looked at for a while
13:02:07lebelliumcopper: the big deal is that for some reasons I don't want my real name and my nickname to be associated and only Rockbox forced me to do it. Even google hasn't (yet). And I don't want/have to explain why I don't want them to be associated. It's a not a police interview. I'd just like not beeing forced. Internet should let me free to choose.
13:02:24AlexPSure, you can choose
13:02:35copperI know
13:02:35AlexPBut by doing so you eliminate yourself from certain things
13:02:41gevaertsYou *are* free to choose
13:02:45gevaertsso are we
13:02:58ZincAlloyhow about a new nickname?
13:03:03copperlebellium: why didn't you just use a pseudonym from the get go?
13:03:09copperlike "Antoine Valentin"
13:03:15AlexPI can choose not to go to work if I don't feel like it, but then I get sacked
13:03:21AlexPStill a free choice
13:03:46copperAntoine Valentin actually sounds great, now that I think about it :D
13:04:09AlexPSure, we rely on people being honest
13:04:27AlexPSadly some people aren't
13:04:47coppernot to mention, "used name", "akas" have some official value
13:04:58copper"go by" names
13:04:58lebelliumI see that more as blackmail as free choice. To involve into Rockbox I need to give my real name. Do you really call that "free choice"?
13:05:04AlexPyes
13:05:08AlexPYou can choose not to
13:05:18AlexPIf you want to travel you need a passport
13:05:18lebelliumblackmail is the same
13:05:22AlexPIs that blackmail?
13:05:24copperwhat
13:05:25AlexPDon't talk shit
13:05:32gevaertsAre you actually being serious?
13:05:33AlexPIn no way is it blackmail
13:05:38copperlebellium: it's just a restriction
13:05:40kugelas mentioned you can participate with us without giving your real name
13:05:42coppera requirement
13:05:44AlexPTo do lots of things there is a requirement
13:05:58AlexPIf you are going to resort to talking bollocks this conversation really is pointless
13:06:05copperRockbox people won't do something bad if you refuse to give your real name (THAT would be blackmail)
13:06:19lebelliumok true that
13:07:17lebelliumkugel: I noticed that. But I thought I would be limited at a dev level. Here we're talking about basic wiki editing or minor changes.
13:08:28kugelthe wiki is part of our official documentation and knowledge base, this is why we extend the policy to it
13:08:32coppercan't we just settle this with a pseudonym?
13:09:00kugelyes you don't put code there, but other stuff affected by copyright
13:09:04copperit's not illegal to use pseudonyms
13:09:04AlexPcopper: No, not now we know
13:09:10AlexPAs it would be the same thing
13:09:37lebelliumyou already knew. At least it was a public discussion here on this chan
13:09:39lebelliumnothing new
13:09:48lebelliumit was not a secret discussion with pamaury
13:09:56AlexPI didn't at least, hence my question this morning asking for your name
13:10:33kugelthe real name policy has also social value for us, we don't want to be a random crowd of all-anonymous people
13:10:42kugelat least for me
13:12:14lebelliumnicknames have a strong value for me. "Kugel" I directly know who we are talking about. "Thomas blabla" is more difficult to remember, it's more anonymous to me
13:12:45kugelright, that's why we have both :)
13:13:30copperlebellium: just "disappear" and come back in a week with a pseudonym
13:13:37copperproblem solved
13:13:45pamauryI think you are doing too much fuss, why do you care of lebellium and not about Torne then ? The way I see it I prefer someone we *know* to contribute, it's not like lebellium is a complete stranger coming out of the blue
13:14:12AlexPThat very much isn't the policy
13:14:30AlexPAnyway, I'm off now
13:16:15kugelpamaury: torne convinced us that he's going by that name in real life (e.g. when dealing with public authorities)
13:16:22kugelthat qualifies as real name
13:16:25lebelliumI once found the old 2002 mail archives, the real name policy was first introduced so that there is no problem in case of legal issues, court cases etc... what is the risk with me? close to zero. I'm even sure in case someone needs to track me for legal reasons, my nickname would help more than my real name
13:18:08pamaurykugel: open your eyes, lookup for lebellium on google, if a court wants to know who he is, I bet they will have no problem. It's actually better that he calls himself lebellium everywhere, at least we know it's the sale person
13:18:26pamaury*same
13:18:57kugelI'm not going to discuss the validity of our real name policy now. it's in place and I like it the way it is
13:20:10pamauryI'm not trying to discuss it, I'm saying one little exception won't kill anyone
13:22:06kugelgevaerts: do you know if the Player has a binsize limit too?
13:22:13kugellooks like I'm hitting it
13:22:58kugelregion FLASH is full
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13:25:29gevaertskugel: no idea. I'll ask the Swedes some time today
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13:27:06kugelgevaerts: do you see that at fosdem?
13:27:39lebelliumhum many themes are said to be incompatible with the current build. For example here http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=sansaclipzip. An idea?
13:27:57gevaertsBagder is sitting two chairs over, LinusN and Zagor are in a different room
13:28:35kugelgevaerts: perhaps you could bring up the topic of how we can effectively maintain our infrastructure in the face of retiring Swedes if you have time for a quick rockbox-related chat
13:29:05gevaertsAh, yes. I'll have a go at that
13:29:57kugellebellium: probably because i made a change to the bar tag so that the width/height are checked more strictly
13:30:46kugelspeaking of RSB: Do we even have one? we forgot about voting last year
13:31:44gevaertsI'd say we do, although we do need to vote soon
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13:36:40lebelliumkugel: oh indeed, that pointed out an issue in my FMS I never noticed before^^ I put 126px width while the screen is 112px width
13:41:44gevaertskugel: re. the player: yes, there is a similar limit
13:43:01kugelgevaerts: it's not the same error message as for the recorder though. it says FLASH is full even before ucl compression is attempted
13:44:25diatom1Guys i installed Rockbox on my YP-R0. It worked out. I wanted to play some games, but the player crashed. Now, it is stuck in the Samsung loading screen. How can i fix it?
13:44:58kugelrockbox doesnt boot anymore?
13:45:19diatom1Solved the Problem. Just pressed the Reset button.
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13:52:37diatom1Whats the Highest playable Video Resolution for my Yp-R0?
13:53:16[Saint]There's only one resolution playable, and it must match the LCD resolution exactly.
13:53:29chris______Zagor: and any anyone else who maintains the FlySpray config, Reported Version doesn't have the current RButil.
13:54:46lebelliumdiatom1: for video playback, you should rather use the OF (more codecs supported, resolution up to 720x480)
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13:55:28diatom1What is OF?
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13:55:54kugeldiatom1: original firmware, i.e. the official samsung os
13:55:57[Saint]Original Firmware
13:57:54diatom1mp4?
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13:58:13lebelliumdiatom1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YP-R0
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14:00:01lebelliumdiatom: I wrote the wikipedia page so it should be correct but otherwise you can check directly the last page of the user manual
14:00:35diatom1Okay.
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14:00:48diatom1Which formats does Rockbox support?
14:02:30lebelliumdiatom1: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
14:02:43lebelliumI assume you talk about the video formats
14:03:11diatom1yeah
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14:03:53chris______lebellium: <<wrote: "I'm officially Ludovic Jacques on the Rockbox wiki. Use that one if you really want to..." Thanks. Added to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcNicks .
14:04:20lebelliumchris______: it's useless, kugel removed my writing rights...
14:04:30lebelliumso this account should be deleted
14:04:52chris______pamaury: " at least we know it's the sale [sname] person". Except of course that anyone can join this IRC channel under the nickname lebellium :)
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14:05:43chris______"kugel removed my writing rights..." Where's that on record?
14:06:20pamaurychris______: you can request a cloak on Freenode so that's easy to solve
14:06:38JdGordongerrit dead?
14:06:52pamauryJdGordon: yeah apparently
14:07:03gevaertsyou don't actually need a cloak
14:08:29lebelliumchris______: 12:26 GMT +1
14:08:29kugelright, just register with nickserv
14:08:33chris______A cloak solves the problem of impersonation?
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14:11:41lebelliummy nickname is not registered but I don't see why someone would take it instead of me. It's a serious chan here. Maybe some people would do that for fun on other chans
14:11:56chris______lebellium: Thanks. Sad to see suffering from "uber-paranoid people get on my nerves" lead to a ban.
14:12:28[Saint]Its not a ban.
14:12:35[Saint]But lets not get into this agin...
14:12:41lebelliumI'm not banned, I'm here :)
14:12:44*[Saint] throws a random a in there
14:15:44chris______I meant banned from wiki editing.
14:16:03chris______kugel: "I've suspended your write access to the wiki ... please respect our policy even if you don't agree with that"
14:16:14gevaertsit could easily happen to anyone
14:16:47gevaertschris______: why are you polluting the channel with random quotes from earlier?
14:16:51kugelhmm
14:16:54chris______FAOD I'd like to see this policy. I'd not like myself to be banned from editing through an inadvertent breach.
14:16:56kugelwhat's rombox?
14:17:20pamauryhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RomBox
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14:17:31gevaertschris______: you're not actually involved in this
14:17:41chris______I'd not like myself to be banned from editing through an inadvertent breach.
14:20:28diatom1Guys, if you want to download a youtube video without software, just write ss in the link. it should look like this: www.ssyoutube.com/video . Then you can choose a video format and you can download it easily.
14:21:14gevaertsdiatom1: that's quite far off-topic here
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14:21:31diatom1i know, just wanted to say :)
14:21:41gevaertsdon't
14:23:22kugeloh so my changes break rombox
14:24:04gevaertskugel: size?
14:26:44kugelno idea
14:26:57kugelit just says FLASH section is full
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14:29:23gevaertsSounds like size to me. Try disabling a random feature, if it goes away it's size
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14:29:48gevaertsAnd then I'd recommend not caring too much
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14:30:50kugeltry to find a random feature of the Player :)
14:31:07gevaertsshuffle :)
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14:33:34gevaertskugel: in the lds file, you can increase the size of the flash (not to actually usr, just to check that this is the problem)
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14:38:24kugelhm, changing boot.lds doesnt have an effect (?)
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14:40:02kugelwth, firmware/rom.lds is the right file!
14:44:12gevaertsof course :)
14:49:32AlexPIf chrisjj is here can someone tell him I deleted his flyspray bug report from the forums, that isn't the place for them
14:52:13AlexPThere are some others I'm going to delete soon too.
14:52:40AlexPBug reports belong on flyspray, not the forums. Discussion should take place on the bug report, not fragmented across the forums and here
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15:00:10chris______AlexP: You've somewhat defaced http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12950 by deleting the forum message containing the detail of the bug. Perhaps if you still have the text of the message you'd deleted, you'd be kind enough to add it to the task. Thanks.
15:02:17chris______AlexP: "Bug reports belong ... not the forums. " You're mistaken e.g. "Audio Playback, Database and Playlists - Discussion of Playback routines, and bugs relating to them."
15:03:26[Saint]Discussion of bugs is like "Oh, hey - errr, this happens. Is it a bug?"; "Yes, now, go report it on flyspray"
15:03:37[Saint]Not "report bugs here"
15:03:56kugelthe forum description is ambigious and should be changed
15:04:20kugelwho can do that?
15:04:53AlexPkugel: Which description?
15:05:34kugelthe one of the "Audio Playback, Database and Playlists" subforum
15:05:37[Saint]there's quite a few...
15:05:41[Saint]Recording also.
15:05:53AlexPyes, that is ambiguous
15:06:10AlexPIt should be I'm not sure if this behavious is a bug or not before reporting
15:06:35AlexPRBUtil not getting the link to the manuals right does not need discussion about whether it is a bug or intended
15:06:50kugelyes
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15:07:10kugelbut the description suggests this is tolerated regardless
15:07:18AlexPit could be read that way, yes
15:07:23[Saint]There's a lot of heading there that are oddly worded if we want to make it clear that confirmed bugs are out, but its cool if you're not sure if its a bug or not.
15:07:30AlexPI can't change it, it needs an admin
15:07:33AlexPe.g. gevaerts
15:07:40AlexPWhen he's at home :)
15:08:20AlexPIt is of course impossible to get the descriptions to cover everything
15:08:37AlexPBut once pointed out, I would hope people would adhere to what is meant
15:08:56[Saint]I would've thought a Golbal Mod (you're one, right?) could edit such things.
15:09:04AlexPI am, but don't think I can
15:09:19AlexPI have very limited adminy powers
15:09:29[Saint]Yeah, its actually set up well here.
15:09:46[Saint]Unlike other forums I work with that give out *way* too much.
15:09:55AlexPI can do things to people, but not the forums essentially
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15:35:55RohinHi. I have an iPod classic 7th gen. Is there a working port for rockbox.
15:36:25RohinThe iPod classic sound clarity is really terrible!
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15:37:34[Saint]The iPod Classic sound clarity is actually really, really, really good.
15:37:44[Saint]Like, disturbingly good.
15:37:56copperlol
15:38:11RohinYes, but my music distorts on the classic. But sound amazing in my touch.
15:38:31coppereither you're doing something wrong, or your Classic is broken
15:38:39[Saint]^ that
15:38:41RohinI mainly listen to house, trance so I need a good bass eq.
15:38:46copperah
15:38:47copperok
15:38:49[Saint]aha :)
15:38:51[Saint]There we go.
15:38:52copperiPod Classic EQs distort
15:39:07RohinYes. Exactly! xD
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15:39:09copperespecially the "RnB" Eq preset
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15:39:48copperto answer your question, yes there is a Rockbox port for the Classic but it's somewhat difficult to install the necessary bootloader (emCORE)
15:40:18RohinBut I can incase of any errors restore to apple firmware at anytime?
15:40:23copperhttp://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic
15:40:31copperyes you can restore your iPod with iTunes
15:41:04RohinThat's perfect! Also, it doesn't hang or have any bugs or anything right? Only the installation is longer?
15:41:12copperan easier solution is to keep the original firmware and apply a negative gain to your MP3s with mp3gain
15:41:21copperRohin: sure it has bugs
15:41:25coppersometimes it crashes
15:41:44coppermostly when connecting it to your PC via USB
15:42:16RohinSometimes as in? Like once in a day often Orr like every 4-5 hours often?
15:42:38copperit doesn't have a clock
15:42:42RohinOnly that? My music is already syncd. I don't sync that often!
15:43:13RohinThat's okay too! But is there development for a stable release from rockbox?
15:43:16copperlet's put it this way: I have installed Rockbox on my iPod Classic, and I'm not going to revert to the original firmware.
15:43:57copperbut then again I'm sensibly more involved than most users
15:44:30copperif you want a seamless experience, the original firmware can't be beat
15:45:18copperI wouldn't get into Rockbox if you're not willing to spend a little bit of time and effort on it
15:45:25copperas far as the Classic goes
15:46:01coppernot trying to scare you away, I'm just trying not to make false promises
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15:46:34copperit's worth the time and effort, IMO
15:46:48diatom1Guys, rockbox doesnt plays my music. I have a YP-R0
15:47:05copperdiatom1: punish it
15:47:23kugeldiatom1: it plays mine
15:47:59lebelliumdiatom1: what happens exactly?
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15:48:42diatom1When I choose a track, there is the "know playing" screen, but no sound comes out.
15:49:29lebelliumhum
15:49:41lebelliummaybe there is an issue with the latest build
15:49:47lebelliumI haven't updated mine recently
15:50:37diatom1I have installed rockbox with this tutorial. http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=620734&postcount=887
15:51:16diatom1And the "Timer" doesnt moves, even when i press play
15:53:18diatom1A Restart fixed it.
15:53:59kugeldiatom1: can you check your file system?
15:54:16kugelsomething strange is going on on your end
15:54:26diatom1Where can i see it?
15:54:40kugelsee what?
15:54:49diatom1file system
15:54:59diatom1sorry for bad english, im german
15:55:30kugelplug your ypr0 into a computer (using the OF or safe mode) and use your OS to check for errors
15:56:07diatom1okay
15:56:40Rohinthanks for your help. xD
15:56:54lebelliumyeah file system corruption seems to happen quite often on YP-R0. Not sure if Rockbox is causing that or not
15:57:43RohinThe steps seem fairly small but it is worth the time right? It doesn't distort on rockbox right?
15:59:04diatom1Its FAT32
15:59:17[Saint]I'm going to hazard a guess and say it probably *will* distort in your case.
15:59:44[Saint]As we'd be giving you access to an incredibly powerful parametric EQ that about 4 people in the world seem to know how to use effectively.
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16:00:29[Saint]We give you a much higher chance of making a mess of your settings and making a terrible user experience than Apple can.
16:01:06[Saint]If you don't play with anything you're not familiar with, you'll be fine.
16:03:11chris______kugel: "the forum description is ambigious" How so? e.g "Plugins/Viewers Questions - Bugs, Discussion of Plugins, Games, and Viewers." looks clear to me.
16:03:12diatom1I copied 2gb data on my device with OF, before i had the issue.
16:03:54kugelchris______: we dont actually want discussion about bugs (once they're determined to be bugs) to happen on the forum
16:06:13chris______kugel: Actually what I was asking about is what the forum invites and allows. I'm already aware that some people here would like different.
16:07:02diatom1How do i exit safe mode?
16:09:36copper[Saint]: nah, he can just use the bass and treble settings
16:15:59kugeldiatom1: long press power
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16:36:38Rohin_Does the rockbox for ipod Classic UI look better than the iOS UI?
16:36:51Rohin_If anyone has screens, can you please share it?
16:38:08pamaurybluebrother: I guess you know qmake better than me, I want to add a feature to my regedit tool which depends on libusb. I found how to make the compilation depend on unix but I would also like to be able to disable it if the user doesn't want to compile it, how can I do so ?
16:38:59Rohin_Anybody there? x/
16:39:57pamauryRohin_: if someone knows, he/she will answer, you might have to wait a bit
16:40:15Rohin_Okay!
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17:04:13chris______pamaury: on ZEN BSoD, your mention of a fix by ugly move of code to the bootloader mystifies me. Because BSoD can occur before the bootloader as well as after.
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17:34:06kugelwhat's up with gerrit?
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17:55:07kugelgrml
17:55:22kugelhow do i get the yrp1 port changes now
17:56:32kugelsince the git server is still there I assume with some magic git command?
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17:59:01kugelgevaerts: ping
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18:03:15bluebrotherpamaury: use a section like this:
18:03:39bluebrotherlibusb { LIBS += -lusb
18:04:00bluebrotherDEFINES += LIBUSB_SUPPORt
18:04:01bluebrother}
18:04:16bluebrotherand then invoke qmake with -config libusb to enable that section
18:04:38bluebrotheror use !nolibusb { ... } and use qmake -config nolibusb to disable it
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18:36:11bluebrotherpoor forehead
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18:39:47ZincAlloyI've got the improved version of cabbiev2 for 128x128 targets ready. Should I upload it to the theme site or would you rather have just the files to update it?
18:42:27kugelthe theme site isnt the right place for cabbiev2
18:42:51ZincAlloyright. especially since I want it to replace the current version
18:42:55kugelgerrit would be best but it's down right now
18:43:18kugeldid images change?
18:43:23ZincAlloyyes
18:43:34kugelwhat changed?
18:43:45ZincAlloyI changed everything.
18:43:54kugelin what way?
18:45:20gevaertskugel: pong
18:45:28ZincAlloybefore (with a fix): http://imageshack.com/a/img191/8049/p3y3.jpg after: http://oi62.tinypic.com/mm78rb.jpg
18:45:39kugelgevaerts: can you or the Swedes do something about gerrit?
18:45:58ZincAlloyI also included a radio screen
18:46:15gevaertskugel: the Swedes are busy catching a plane, and I can't
18:46:30kugeli see
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18:47:17kugelZincAlloy: not sure regarding fms; other cabbies don't have that do they?
18:48:16kugelbut the wps definitely looks improved, I'd say post an image.zip and the diffs to the mailing list
18:48:18ZincAlloyno, they don't. I made the icons ages ago but noone ever used them..
18:48:35kugelthat's not true, they are used
18:49:11kugelI even put a few gimp .xcf files made from these into git
18:49:13ZincAlloywell, there are no other cabbie v2 fm screens out there.
18:49:51kugelright, we're hesitent to ship a cabbie fms only for select targets. should be an all-or-nothing thing
18:50:36ZincAlloywhy? it's nice to have it, no matter if it's available on other targets
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18:51:17bluebrotherwhat't the problem with introducing an fms with that theme and later extending it to others?
18:51:25kugelbecause we generally want stuff to be done for as much targets as possible, to prevent rot etc
18:51:26bluebrotherbetter do it incrementally than never
18:52:30kugelhm, I see some cabbiev2*.fms in our tree
18:52:50gevaertskugel: I told Zagor about the gerrit issue now (on a google hangout we were on at fosdem), and he says he's "flying to fix it"
18:52:51kugelZincAlloy: did you see the 128x128x2 fms? it's in git
18:53:12ZincAlloyno, I based it on the one that came with the simulator build
18:53:59kugelwell, let's hope they're not too different
18:54:14ZincAlloyOh, I could change it. got a screenshot?
18:55:27kugelnot right now
18:56:14ZincAlloyI'll try the latest build in the simulator then..
18:56:38kugeli dont even know which target has 128x128x2
18:56:46ZincAlloyiriver h10
18:56:50kugelok
18:57:18bluebrotherI don't think so. The h10 has colour
18:57:28bluebrotherbut it has 128x128 :)
18:57:41ZincAlloy128x128x16
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19:02:45ZincAlloythe one I made has the same functionality as this one I made for 96x96: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=2045&target=sansaclipzip Not sure if it's exactly what we want, but better than nothing..
19:04:06chris______If anyone has the post at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=44703.new;topicseen#new by AlexP that was deleted before I could read it, I'd be grateful for a copy. Thanks.
19:04:39chris______And FTR "If chrisjj is here can someone tell him I deleted his flyspray bug report from the forums" I didn't make any FlySpray bug report in the forums. I made a FlySpray bug report in FlySpray.
19:05:06gevaertschris______: grow up or go away
19:06:13kugelchris______: the last post only contains AlexP's reply saying he's going to close it
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19:33:01chris______kugel: thanks. Quite what the point of posting then deleting your own post is, I don't know.
19:33:46kugelchris______: i don't know about a deleted post
19:34:15kugelthe whole topic was removed
19:41:05ZincAlloythe simulator is up to date. definitely doesn't come with an fms
19:41:33chris______Thanks also to he who sent me the deleted text - now reposted at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12950#comments .
19:42:40kugelZincAlloy: which one?
19:42:57kugelh10 doesnt have one, the fms is for 128x128x2
19:43:13ZincAlloyh10 5gb
19:43:17ZincAlloyah, right
19:43:56kugelbluebrother said that earler :)
19:44:07ZincAlloytrue :D
19:44:14ZincAlloyI'm just being stupid again ^^
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19:44:46ZincAlloythe simulator is doing some funny things on the fm screen
19:45:03ZincAlloyafter activating auto scan it shifts the backdrop down
19:45:19ZincAlloygoing into a menu and back to fms fixes it
19:47:58ZincAlloyah, wait. I didn't activate auto scan. after auto scan it works as expected
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19:50:09ZincAlloyOn H10 the screen will be rather empty as it doesn't support rds
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19:52:30kugelmany don't
19:55:04[Saint]or useful .sbs control
19:55:17ZincAlloyyeah. I've included rds for future targets, though.
19:55:25[Saint]but I understand fm touch targets are fairly uncommon in our lineup.
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19:56:12[Saint]well, it wouldn;t need to be touch to be useful.
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20:00:05ZincAlloyit doesn't add much usefulness. it's eye candy
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20:15:43wodzMPIO HD200 is 128x128x2 and I crafted fms for this target
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20:17:49wodzMPIO HD300 is 160x128x2 and the fms in our tree is mine as well
20:18:29ZincAlloythis one? http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-mpiohd200/main_menu/images/ss-fm-radio-screen-128x128x2.png
20:19:25wodzthis looks like failsafe to me
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20:19:49ZincAlloythat's why I wondered. so the manual's screenshots aren't quite up to date
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20:20:21wodzthats possible
20:21:39*ZincAlloy is starting windows to check it out on the simulator
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20:26:22ZincAlloyit's a little different from my approach..
20:27:25pamaurychris______: the same bug applies to the bootloader and the main firmware obviously
20:27:55pamaurythe boot procedure is: Creative bootloader > RB bootloader > RB and the last too suffer from this bug
20:28:50ZincAlloyhttp://oi61.tinypic.com/es9kir.jpg
20:29:08pamaurywodz: did you see my comment about YP-C3 the other day ?
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20:42:22chris______pamaury: OK, as I thought. But then you can why I doubt the value of moving code from RB to RB bootloader.
20:44:07scorchekugel: AlexP: which descriptions need changing?
20:44:54kugelthose that suggest discussing bugs is welcome
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20:45:58kugelaudio playback, recording, plugins
20:46:51scorchedone
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20:50:36chris______pamaury: Oops, correction: But then you see can why I doubt the value of moving code from RB to RB bootloader.
20:50:51wodzpamaury: No
20:54:09chris______I see all invitations for discussion of bugs have been removed from Rockbox Technical Forums.
20:54:19chris______scorche: If it is your intention to disallow bug discussion in the forums, you'll probably want to close the loophole at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,5958.0.html
20:54:43scorchechris______: the policy has always been that - it is just being made clearer
20:55:12gevaertschris______: if it's your intention not to get banned from both here and the forums, you'll probably want to grow up
20:58:05chris______scorche: "the policy has always been that" Interesting. If you've any evidence of that, I'd be interested to see. I've seen nothing in the forum guidelines saying there's a policy disallowing discussion of bugs.
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20:58:45ZincAlloyI take it that rockbox-dev is the correct mailing list to submit the updated theme to?
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20:59:53scorchechrisjj: go search for it yourself - there was a long conversation about it when we were re-doing the forums
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21:00:31scorchein the end though, the rules are what we say they are - this is not some grand thing that depends on rules and loopholes
21:01:44[Saint]"Because I fucking say so" is entirely appropriate.
21:01:56[Saint]It's never been a democracy.
21:01:57scorchewell, perhaps without the "fucking", but sure
21:02:01chrisjj scorche: Thanks but I have searched. I found no consensus on banning bug discussion. On the contrary, only today here AlexP said bug discussion was acceptable.
21:02:16chrisjjgevaerts: Thanks for the suggestion, but I think there's absolutely no chance of my behaviour being less grown up that the norm around here.
21:02:24scorchechrisjj: there is a difference between discussion and filing reports there
21:02:48chrisjjSure, and I am talking about discussion here.
21:03:30[Saint]lets fall back to "someone that is able to. said so" and drop it.
21:05:20chrisjjWell Saint, that would just lead to anarchy, wouldn't it?
21:06:33gevaertsIf everyone were like you, sure. Luckily that isn't the case
21:06:39scorcheanarchy implies that there is no one who can say so, but discussion of this sort of thing is a bit off-topic
21:07:23scorchechrisjj: technically, the discussion happened here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,7679.0.html
21:07:25chrisjjscorche: "there is a difference between discussion and filing reports there" And what is that difference? Since (please correct me if I am wrong) you've aid both are now disallowed.
21:07:34scorcheyou cant see it, but that doesnt mean it didnt happen ;)
21:08:19chrisjjSo I guess "go search for it yourself" was in error.
21:08:57scorchechrisjj: the key point is that a typical user may not know whether they have a bug, something that is due to their own configuration, or something that is intended - they can post inquiries
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21:09:14scorchea bug report is different from that
21:09:44chrisjjMeaning discussion of potential bugs is allowed??
21:10:58scorcheit doesnt really matter what i say - going from your history, no matter what i say, you will continue to "test" and do whatever you wish anyway
21:11:08scorchei dont see the point in having this discussion anymore
21:12:01scorchenow i am going to take the forums down for a bit to see if i cant beat them into submission
21:12:27chrisjj"it doesnt really matter what i say " Thanks for the clarification. Bye for now.
21:12:44scorchestop being an ass
21:12:55gevaerts*for now*? Change that and we'll all be happy
21:13:46scorchewell, we can easily fix this, but for some odd reason give chrisjj the benefit of the doubt that he will shap up eventually as we have had "problem users" in the past turn into great contributors
21:13:54scorchei am rapidly losing faith in this
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21:56:39pamaurychrisjj: I don't understand your statement
21:56:57pamaurywodz: I managed to upload hwstub to the device but then it fails to enumerate
21:58:39chrisjjpamaury: OK...we agree the BSoD can occur #1 at start of RB bootloader and #2 separately at start of RB proper? Yes?
21:59:14pamauryyes, same code, same issue
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22:00:38chrisjjGood. Then what mystifies me is your suggestion that the ugly code move can fix the issue. Because move if from after #2 to after #1 - and so will have no effect on #2.
22:01:01chrisjjs/move if/move is/
22:02:35pamauryI don't know where you read that, I don't want to move code, I want to remove code
22:12:07chrisjjI read it here http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20140201#14:31:10
22:12:39chrisjjI guess that's not a code move as I thought.
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22:38:05diatommyGuys, my YP-R0 doesnt Starts. Not even the OF
22:38:13chrisjjpamaury: What's ugly about resuming the Creative bootloader's pause?
22:39:02diatommyWhen I choose one, The display stays black
22:41:19diatommyCan anyone help me
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22:41:24wodzpamaury: Are you sure hwstub is actually run?
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22:43:36diatommyHello?
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22:45:39[Saint]diatommy: the port's wiki page covers recovery
22:47:01diatommyDo I have to recover it?
22:50:55pamaurywodz: well it manages to load the first two stages and after loading the third one (hwstub), it deconnects USB and fails to enumerate
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22:52:37Josh_Hi
22:52:55Josh_hello can anybody help me?
22:52:59pamaurychrisjj: you have to guess the state in which the OF leaves the LCD, if for some reason it leaves it in a different state you are dead
22:53:25Josh_:(
22:53:59pamauryJosh_: only if you state your problem
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22:54:27Josh_My Fuze v1 will not turn on.
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22:54:53Josh_IT has worked fine for years
22:55:13Josh_But i plugged it in 5 minutes ago and it died.
22:55:19pamauryis the battery low ? did you try to reset it ?
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22:56:01Josh_Yes i tried everything, battery was full, it gave me a gray screen with some numbers for less than a second and turned off.
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22:56:35Josh_Held the power button for a minute but nothing
22:57:10AlexPRunning Rockbox?
22:57:16AlexPWhat version?
22:57:21Josh_Of course. Dev
22:57:27AlexPrecent?
22:57:38Josh_few months.
22:57:47AlexPIt might have crashed with the screen off
22:57:49Josh_One or two.
22:57:53pamaurywodz: do you have a way to ensure hwstub is running ?
22:58:03AlexPIn which case you need to let the battery run down until it is dead, then recharge
22:58:16Josh_How long will that take?
22:58:25AlexPI'm not sure whether that a) was a problem in the fuze and b) if it was fixed or when though
22:58:36Josh_And could i perhaps open it and disconnect the battery?
22:58:37AlexPIf it's full could be a day or two I guess
22:58:50AlexPthat would do it too, no idea how doable that is
22:59:03AlexPNor am I sure this is it, I don't know the Fuze well
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22:59:04Josh_Ive taken one apart before
22:59:11Josh_not this one
22:59:14Josh_but another
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23:00:28rockdudeguyMy friend gave me his sansa clip zip to fix and put on rockbox, the problem is that it hangs in the refreshing media screen and will not connect to the computer and even when trying to force msc mode it will still not connect to the computer just hangs in the sansa logo, any ideas?
23:00:38Josh_Well thank you guys i will try to open it without scratching the plastic, thank you. can i stay connected for 30 minutes?
23:01:09AlexPSure, as long as you want
23:01:27Josh_Ok, thanks
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23:04:33rockdudeguyI've been working on this for about 45 minutes already and cannot get the thing to connect to the computer
23:04:37rockdudeguy:(
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23:07:27rockdudeguystill hanging at sansa logo can anyone help me?
23:07:53pamauryrockdudeguy: might be file system error or bad mp3 tags, maybe you should reset it, plug usb and check for errors and then check your tags
23:08:14rockdudeguyhow can i reset it?
23:08:28diatommyMy Rockbox doesnt starts
23:08:42pamauryBut since it's an OF problem, you better search on sandisk forum where there might be an answer. I think you have to hold power for 10 or 20 seconds
23:09:02pamauryrockdudeguy: also if you have a microSD, try to remove it
23:09:53rockdudeguysandisks chat is not available today, tried that already, no microsd
23:10:38ReSeT_Wdoes the auto utility will install rockbox on my ipod classic(6th) right away?
23:12:01[Saint]No.
23:12:22ReSeT_Wwhat i need to do?
23:12:30[Saint]Rockbox Utility cannot install Rockbox on the Classic.
23:13:28[Saint]The only boot loader, emCORE, is an entirely separate project and not supported by Rockobx.
23:14:25[Saint]see: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic
23:15:31ReSeT_Will check it Saint, Thank you
23:15:53rockdudeguybtw I checked the forums and no one had a solution, I thought that someone over here may have some trick to help me get rockbox on the thing
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23:18:03pamauryrockdudeguy: if you cannot boot the OF, I'm not sure you can install Rockbox although I'm not expert. Did you try to reset and plug in to your computer ? Check for file system errors and remove all mp3 files (or maybe move them out of the Music directory if that's what the OF scans), maybe it will do
23:18:53rockdudeguyreset but will not connect to my computer
23:19:39pamauryalso refresh ?
23:20:05rockdudeguywhat do you mean
23:20:07diatommyGuys, this happens when I start my ypr0, please help me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KnFMqBuU9U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
23:20:54pamauryrockdudeguy: why doesn't it connect ?
23:21:23rockdudeguyit just hangs at that sansa logo
23:22:25chrisjjpamaury: Re ZEN, how about you reset the LCD but not the DMA controller? I'd think the LCD state itself can't be contributing to the lockup. Then perhaps there's no guessing needed, or you have to guess just the LCD state, where trial and error is much easier since you get some visual feedback.
23:24:39diatommyWhat can I do
23:27:08diatommyGuys come on
23:27:46rockdudeguythanks for your time pamaury, I have to go now.
23:28:03pamaurydiatommy: if we knew we would tell you don't you think ?! The developer of the port is not online so appart from the wiki information we don't know more than you
23:28:53pamaurygiven the video I would expect you to push of the directional button to select the mode you want ?
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23:29:21diatommyIt automatically chooses rockbox
23:29:49diatommySame thing happens when I choose tye of
23:30:23pamaurymaybe kugel knows, I think he has worked on the YP-R0 ?
23:34:52kugeldiatommy: what's wrong?
23:35:07diatommyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KnFMqBuU9U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
23:36:01kugellooks lime rockbox fails to start
23:36:12kugelhow did I ou
23:36:24kugelyou install it?
23:36:59diatommyhttp://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=620734&postcount=887
23:38:18diatommySame thing happens when I start OF
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23:50:37diatommyIs it normal that there is nothing in the neo ghost volume?
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23:56:13wodzpamaury: I used backlight as an indicator when porting hwstub.
23:57:16pamauryhow is backlight controlled on the YP-C3 ?
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