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#rockbox log for 2014-02-20

00:00:50celaSome users might not like the patch though as there is now no feedback on the locked state. I can imagine users forgetting the hold is on and thinking the touchpad is dead!
00:04:25[Saint]IIRC, the similar instance we have in core presently caused some issue with unwanted screen wakeups.
00:04:44[Saint]ANd, in turn, battery.
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02:54:47[Saint]Does http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,48025.msg227116.html#msg227116 come across as overly "asshat-ish"?
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02:55:32[Saint]I was trying to (politely) address support going to the right place, but re-reading it several times has left me thinking I sound like a prick.
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03:12:53JdGordon[Saint]: I think that reply is fine
03:13:07[Saint]Excellent. Thank you.
03:13:30[Saint]Sometimes I find it very hard to distinguish between just being bland, and being a complete cock.
03:13:53[Saint]I do try. I really do. But I would forgive anyone for thinking me to be an asshole.
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08:41:36copper<cela> Some users might not like the patch though as there is now no feedback on the locked state.
08:42:05copperjust needs to be themed
08:42:30copperwith %mh
08:46:24coppercabbiev2 does it, and so do my Googley themes
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09:00:22Zagorhow well does 24bit 96khz work on the hifimans?
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10:56:10mortalisZagor: 24bit is not supported on rk27xx because i2s controller can't handle it
10:56:27mortalisthat's what datasheet says
10:56:35Zagorok, what about >48khz ?
10:57:09mortalisshould be possible, but I never checked
10:59:17ZagorI have been approached by a company planning a high-spec player, who is considering using rockbox
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11:00:32KohlrabiiPlacebo?
11:05:48mortalisZagor: HiFi E. T. officially provide dualboot firmware with rockbox for their DAPs http://en.hifi-et.com/service/download
11:06:05mortaliswithout loosing guarantee
11:11:25Zagoryes, this is another company
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11:30:19Zagorso do we support crazy bitrates for the HiFi ET players then?
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11:32:43gevaertsProbably not
11:32:50mortalisWithout resampling we support only 16bit 44.1/48 kHz for any player. It should be easy to add support for higher frequencies
11:33:15wodzAFAIK we support 44.1 OR 48k depending on global setting
11:33:27mortalisright
11:34:46pamaurybut most hardware support more frequencies
11:35:21wodzwhat we do not support is changing 'base sampling' on the fly
11:35:50pamauryyeah, that's not an easy problem
11:36:55wodzZagor: What platform is this hi-super-high-spec player based on?
11:38:06ZagorI don't know. I just got an early mail asking basic questions like who to talk to.
11:39:55Zagorand since I'm pretty out of the loop I need to ask you :)
11:41:54pamauryZagor: depends for what. These times wodz and I for low-level stuff and kugel and JdGordon for everything else ;)
11:51:50[Saint]Zagor: Be sure to send them my way if they want a fancy theme. ;)
11:52:20Zagorhehe
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13:57:34JdGordonon't ask me anything! I havnt the foggiest idea whats going on here!
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14:01:15copper24 bit shouldn't be a problem if the hardware supports it, right?
14:01:39copperyou could just play everything at 24 bit, pad 16 bit with zeros
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17:52:36saratogait'd be easy to do 96k/24 bit now, we already do everything in 32 bit anyway
17:52:39saratogakind of pointless though
17:52:48saratogawould hurt battery life if you double the number of PCM samples
17:55:25ZincAlloywell, if the user has files in that resolution, I guess (s)he'd want to listen to them that way
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18:08:06toehser1Sure... Let's assume (s)he has done a double-blind ABX session, too...
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18:14:15ZincAlloyyou'd probably need the right hardware to hear any difference if it can be heard at all
18:15:43saratoga96k will never help, and can sometimes hurt, but 24 bit could be useful if someone ever made a portable player with >= 17 effective bits of resolution
18:15:53saratogamight be hard though given how small these devices are
18:16:09ZincAlloycan't hear any difference between mp3 at 192 and wav on my portable devices. on my computer it's quite audible. I haven't done a double blind ABX test, though
18:17:07saratogaobviously though this vendor is trying to justify a niche product with niche pricing, so they can't tell users how to properly use their hardware
18:17:24saratogaso if they want to use our software, that'd be great
18:17:41ZincAlloynice products are always rather expensive
18:17:49ZincAlloyniche
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18:18:42ZincAlloythey'll have to use rather nice hardware to please the audiophile crowd, too
18:23:28ZincAlloyI only had a quick look at their website this morning, but that thing sure isn't built like a consumer device
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18:45:59coppersaratoga: except audiophile players don't have to be small
18:46:15copperaudiophiles don't mind buying $1,000 bricks
18:46:35coppere.g. the iBasso DX100 http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=78
18:47:04copperwith multiple, layered PCBs, I bet something like the O2/ODAC could be achieved in that volume
18:47:22copperexcept audiophile DAP makers are rarely the NwAvGuy type
18:47:45ZincAlloyinteresting player. where do you put the tapes in? :D
18:48:08copperhehe
18:48:48ZincAlloyI was getting weird looks for my iriver h340 until I replaced it with a clip zip recently..
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18:50:06copperI don't think the O2/ODAC combo is much larger than the DX100
18:51:33coppereh, 108.5mm x 30mm x 82mm (O2/ODAC) vs. 118mm x 27.5mm x 71.8mm (DX100)
18:51:51copperwith a single PCB
18:51:58copperwell, a single layer, anyway
18:53:08copperthe problem, really, is that audiophile DAP makers are usually snake oil vendors, using cheap ass Chinese DACs like Rockchip or whatever it's called
18:53:49copperer, that's a SoC
18:54:54copperthe motivation to Do It Right™ isn't there, nor is the talent
18:55:53copperwhy bother with months and months of R&D with a dozen different costly batches, when all you need is just some good PR literature?
18:58:20copperthough if they're actually interested in using Rockbox, maybe they're different
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19:07:03ZincAlloyoh.. damn what I've looked at this morning are players that already have a rockbox port.. :D
19:07:09ZincAlloyHiFi e.t.
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21:00:54copperZincAlloy: basically, they all suck, except the DX100 which shows decent 16 bit performance
21:01:11copper(not any better than a Clip+ or Fuze+ though)
21:01:46copperwhat's funny is that, what sets the DX100 apart, is a powerful headphone amplifier
21:01:59copperbut audiophools INSIST on using external headphone amplifiers anyway
21:02:27ZincAlloyit only makes sense to include it
21:02:51copperthat's the thing
21:03:07copperaudiophools will NEVER be content with a "stock" amplifier
21:03:18ZincAlloythey insist on external headphone amps because internal amps are usually not that great
21:03:23copperno
21:03:37copperthey insist because they're idiots and they know NOTHING about audio tech
21:03:55copperthe amplifier on the DX100 is excellent, as shown by independent measurements
21:03:55ZincAlloysome of them certainly
21:04:12copperthey even REFUSE to learn about audio tech
21:04:15ZincAlloyand to some it doesn't matter much. what it sounds like is the important thing
21:04:30copperhttp://www.markuskraus.com/RMAA/dx100.htm
21:04:48copperthat thing works great even with the most problematic IEMs on the market
21:05:07ZincAlloycool
21:05:27copperthat's the one instance where an audiophool company got it more or less right
21:05:52copperdoesn't matter
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21:10:15copperthey'll still hook up stupid amplifiers to it
21:10:15copperI bet their electrical engineers are banging their heads against their desks about it
21:10:33ZincAlloy^^
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21:17:21lebelliumcopper [Saint_] JdGordon : AFAIK unfortunately it's not possible to skip to the next tag when the current tag finished to scroll once. Alternatively I made this but it looks aweful :D http://pastie.org/private/i4clybwvbpiql3okmprjmg
21:17:24lebelliumany better idea?
21:19:45copperugh
21:19:47coppercan't read that
21:20:08lebelliumhehe
21:20:10lebelliumbut it works
21:21:22copperthen leave it as is and forget about it ;P
21:21:30lebelliumit's upon a user's request who has long id3tags and who doesn't like them to be cut off
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21:22:46lebelliumdefinitely it would be better if it was possible to get the next tag to come depending on how long is the previous one
21:22:55lebelliumbut the theme engine is not smart enough :)
21:23:49copperI'm not sure I understand the problem
21:23:58copperI just have all my metadata scroll
21:25:30lebelliumto simplify my code: %t(3)%it;%t(3)%ia;%t(3)%id
21:25:33lebelliumdo you understand now?
21:25:45lebelliumall tags display one after the other for 3 seconds
21:25:45coppernever used the %t tag
21:25:51lebelliumon the same line
21:26:54coppermeh
21:27:12copperhaving to wait any number of seconds to see metadata sounds… cumbersome
21:28:17lebelliumupon users request again. Some people prefer it like that than %s%it - %ia - %id
21:28:31coppersounds like a Clip Zip theme
21:28:36copperbuy a real DAP
21:29:12lebelliumdo you understand "upon users request"?
21:29:20lebelliumand don't you know how many DAPs I have? :)à
21:29:35ZincAlloyand clip zips are awesome
21:29:39lebelliumhttp://imageshack.com/a/img541/323/fh4j.png
21:30:33lebelliummuch better than the Fuze+, yes, copper
21:30:36lebelliumbut that's not the topic
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22:37:16Water255pamaury: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/760 Works great!! Thank you so much. Also, I successfully changed it so volume-up does play/pause, and volume-down does same as left button.
22:37:33Water255pamaury: How long did that take you?
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23:24:01Miri have another issue and this one is not only an issue with the stable 3.13 but also the Git development rockbox i have installed. for some reason .SPC playback is buggy as all heck and ends up taking a lot of processing power and battery while skipping lagging and glitching
23:24:25Miri cant play Giles theme on my E200 ;-;
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23:29:07saratogaMir: did that start recently?
23:31:15saratogaSPC was optimized this spring, but that was after 3.13
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23:33:27saratogai think SPC uses both cores on PP, so its possible something else broke
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23:51:02pamauryWater255: did you see my message in the logs ?
23:51:08pamauryand/or on the forum ?
23:57:34Water255pamaury: i saw your post on the forum (and posted my custom button mappings), and I think i saw all the IRC logs... does it look like i missed something?

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