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#rockbox log for 2014-02-22

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03:28:23quilirohi....i checked the supported and unsupported devices and i cannot find ipod model a1320 (i think it is nano 5th generation)
03:31:10soapthere is no comprehensive list of unsupported devices, quiliro
03:32:21soapIf the device is not "stable", "unstable", "unusable" or actively being discussed (by developers) in the "New Ports" section of the forum there simply is nobody from Rockbox working on it.
03:33:28tertunano 5th gen is iirc a touch nano
03:34:02tertuthose are not supported
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03:45:20quilirotertu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IPod-Nano-5G-front-back.png
03:45:33tertuoh yeah, those
03:45:54tertui don't think anybody has any code running on those at all (besides Apple of course)
03:46:06quilirohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Nano#Fifth_generation
03:46:14tertui used to own one
03:46:50tertuif you already own one, you're out of luck
03:47:01tertuif you're looking for a nano pick a 1st or 2nd gen
03:47:18quilirodo i risk damaging the ipod permanently if i test?
03:47:18tertuipod videos are probably your best bet if the size doesn't matter
03:47:40tertuyou won't even be able to test
03:48:09tertuthere is absolutely no software that will let you install rockbox on an ipod nano 5g because rockbox cannot run on an ipod 5g
03:48:15tertuthe bootloader can't run, none of it
03:48:42tertu*ipod nano 5g, it runs on an ipod 5g very well
03:49:02tertui think what would happen if you tried to force it is you'd have to reset it
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04:06:50quilirotertu: is it the usual way to reset? (menu enter)
04:07:23tertuyeah.
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12:46:47lebelliumpamaury: is it already possible to install rockbox on my X-Fi style?
12:48:29pamaurylebellium: yes sure :)
12:48:48pamaurylebellium: can you compile or not ? I don't remember
12:49:02lebelliumYes I can, I have Ubuntu in Virtualbox
12:49:10pamaurycool
12:49:41pamauryso power it up and tell me when you are ready, you will also need a copy of the upgrader from Creative
12:53:29pamauryhey I have the speaker working on the ZEN Mozaic :) The sound is awful, the parameters must be off ^^
12:56:55bertrikI have a simple idea to fix radio ticking on some clip+ es. As far as I understand, this is mostly a problem with RDA5802 tuners (some clip+ have an si4702, others have rda5802). The solution is to simply drastically reduce the read access on the i2c bus (and use cached values) in the rda5802 driver. A define in the clip+ config file marks this player as potentially vulnerable to radio ticking.
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13:00:55bertrikbetter make a patch to demonstrate
13:01:19lebelliumpamaury: I'm ready. I have ZENX-FiStyle_PCFW_L22_1_03_04.exe
13:04:52pamaurylebellium: in your rockbox repository clone, create a new directory for the build, like "mkdir build_zenxfistyle"
13:05:50lebelliumyep
13:07:20pamauryswitch to this directory, run "../tools/configure", select ZEN X-Fi Style, Normal build, then run "make -j 3"
13:08:19lebelliumokay it's as I usually do :)
13:08:30lebelliumexcept this "make -j 3", I usually type "make -j"
13:12:04lebelliumokay
13:12:08lebelliumnow the bootloader?
13:12:51pamauryyes, do the same thing in another directory "build_zenxfistyle_bl"
13:12:55pamaurydo a bootloader build
13:13:42pamaurywhen you are done, go to rbutils/mkimxboot and run "make"
13:14:34pamaurywhen done, go back to the bootloader build dir and run "../rbutil/mkimxboot/mkimxboot -i <path to creative install> -b bootloader-zenmozaic.creative -t dualboot -o firmware.sb"
13:16:09lebelliumshould I also run "make zip" for the bootloader?
13:16:53lebelliumI mean after "make -j"
13:24:16pamauryno
13:28:09lebelliumI'm not sure to understand what I should put instead of <path to creative install>
13:29:12pamauryfull path to ZENX-FiStyle_PCFW_L22_1_03_04.exe
13:31:48pamaurylebellium: ^
13:34:21lebelliumah I should get this file in Ubuntu!
13:35:38pamauryyes sorry, I should have told you
13:39:47lebelliumhum
13:39:51lebellium[ERR] Cannot open file 'bootloader-zenmozaic.creative' for reading: No such file or directory
13:41:37lebelliumah
13:41:40lebelliumsure
13:41:44lebelliumzenmosaic lol
13:41:47lebelliumI try again
13:43:45lebellium[INFO] MD5 sum of the file: 32 A7 31 B7 F7 14 E9 F9 9A 95 99 10 03 75 9C 98
13:43:47lebellium[INFO] File is for model 3 (Zen X-Fi Style, version 1.03.04)
13:43:48lebelliumResult: 0
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13:44:58pamauryok perfect, now plug your device, and just put the produced firmware.sb file at the root of it, it should work, I hope
13:49:09lebelliumfirmware.sb is still at the root
13:49:18lebelliumLooks like it didn't upgrade
13:50:02pamauryhum, to be honest I upgrade mine using the scsi tool so I don't remember if it supports just putting the file at the root. So let's do it with the scsi way.
13:50:19pamaurygo to utils/imxtools/scsitools/ and run "make"
13:50:32pamauryyou might need to get the libusb-1.0-0-dev package
13:51:48lebelliumgcc -g -std=c99 -W -Wall -c -o scsitool.o scsitool.c
13:51:50lebelliumgcc -o scsitool scsitool.o misc.o -lsgutils2
13:52:28pamauryah yeah you need libsgutils2-dev
13:52:56pamaurythen give the device to the virtual machine, it should be recognised as a mass storage device by your ubuntu. Then run "sudo ./scscitool -i <path to dev>" to check it works first, the path is probably /dev/sdb
13:55:31lebellium I should be in the rockbox directory to run that?
13:56:28pamauryin utils/imxtools/scsitools
13:56:35pamauryalthough it doesn't really matter
13:59:25lebelliumokay
13:59:33lebelliumwhat info do you need from that command?
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14:00:14pamaurynone, just check that it displays some relevant info and not some errors
14:00:42lebelliumit does
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14:02:00pamauryif it looks ok, then run sudo ./scsitools -w <path to firmware.sb> −−yes-i-want-a-brick /dev/sdb"
14:02:47lebelliumI don't want a brick!
14:02:50lebellium:D
14:03:43pamauryYou need to accept the risk :p You cannot brick though
14:04:49*copper just bricked
14:06:12lebelliumpath to firmware.sb directly on device or in the bootloader build directoru?
14:06:18lebelliumdirectory*
14:06:48pamaurylebellium: prefer the one in the build dir
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14:10:49lebelliumsudo: ./scsitools: command not found
14:11:42pamaurymaybe you need to remove the s, be creative ^^
14:11:59lebelliumlol
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14:12:40lebellium./scsitool: unrecognized option '−−yes-i-want-a-brick/dev/sdb'
14:12:53lebelliumyou see, it doesn't want a brick either!
14:12:59pamauryyou forgot the space
14:13:20lebelliumarg
14:13:34lebelliumstarting writing firmware now
14:14:12lebelliumTransport error: Host_status=0x05 [DID_ABORT]
14:14:13lebelliumDriver_status=0x08 [DRIVER_SENSE, SUGGEST_OK]
14:14:15lebelliumCannot write sector 0
14:15:53pamaurycan you pastebin the info displated when you gave the "-i" option ?
14:17:01lebelliumyep
14:17:53lebelliumhttp://pastie.org/private/0l5xa4fhavcxxfxtwrcdw
14:20:55pamauryand the output of the write command ?
14:21:26pamaurysorry, can you rerun it by adding the "-d" option ?
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14:27:58pamaurylebellium: I need to go, can we continue in about one or two hours ?
14:28:39lebelliumi'm on phone sorry
14:28:44lebelliumyes
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14:58:40lebelliumpamaury: http://pastie.org/private/buiumq3jqgdy5ssrdfza
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15:01:04ildarionHey, I search for a new player (my sansa fuze+ is break). I need a similar player, with sdhc card slot and stable with rockbox. What do you suggest ?
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15:07:50*bertrik tries to figure out how TICK_AFTER and TICK_BEFORE are supposed to work
15:09:18cramlerildarion: Depends on availability
15:09:21cramlerI actually wanted another Fuze v2 when mine broke after five years (or an ipod video), but the only things in my reach were Fuze+ and Zen X-Fi3.
15:09:23cramlerAfter reading about various problems with Fuze+ (also without rockbox), I went for the X-Fi3.
15:09:27cramlerIt works perfectly for me, but bear in mind, that some things are not >yet< available in rockbox (e.g. radio&mic).
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15:14:44ildarionthe Creative Labs Zen X-FI3 seem to be pretty expensive oO
15:16:58cramlerIndeed... I too had to lay some money aside for a few months XD
15:17:49ildarionthe new sansa clip sport seem to be good, but no rockbox.... and I am afraid of the OF =/
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15:18:22cramlerYou probably want to try getting your hands on a used Sansa Fuze.
15:18:32cramlerI would have, were there any...
15:19:50ildarionSeem to be hard for buying a fuze + nowe
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15:22:45cramlerildarion: Thats europe for us, I guess...same stuff but more expensive and bad availability
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15:23:15cramlerUnless you live in the nederlands or uk
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15:24:09ildarionAnd waht about rockbox and the Clip Zip ?
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15:25:21ildarionis that there are the same amount of functionality for the music on the fuze +?
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15:30:58ildarionI think a Sansa Clip ZIP is the best choice
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15:31:41cramlerildarion: You may take a look at this:
15:31:44cramlerhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecs
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15:32:25bertrikhm, now I'm confused, I still hear the tick even when time-limiting i2c access to the rda5802 tuner
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15:39:52pamaurycramler: did you try the mic on the zenxfi3 ?
15:40:16pamauryfor radio I will have a look this week-end, I know how to make it work, it's just that the code is super ugly
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15:44:29lebellium_pamaury: you got my pastie?
15:44:37cramlerpamaury: Great :D
15:44:40cramlerI am having a look at the manual source.
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15:46:57pamaurylebellium: yeah but I wanted the run for firmware write with debug :p
15:47:22pamaurycramler: in theory the mic should work on the zenxfi3 since it works on the fuze+, I just didn't try it
15:48:05lebelliumpamaury: ah... where should I add -d in the line?
15:48:16pamauryanywhere
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15:49:48lebelliumpamaury: http://pastie.org/private/pptkawbcr4wgefsohv6gg
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15:52:04cramlerpamaury: Indeed, it does! :O
15:52:07cramlerOdd, the last time I tried, it entered the menu, but didn't do anything.
15:52:09cramlerThats great! :D
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15:52:56pamauryI'm pretty sure some audio settings could be better adjusted
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16:01:09lebelliumpamaury: does it help?
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16:01:39pamaurynot really, let me try on mine to check
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16:08:06cramlerpamaury: Mic quality seems fine!
16:08:06cramlerJust a bit silent in the current state.
16:08:06cramlerBut that's the same for the OF.
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16:08:10cramlerThe hissing in the background (not just in the mic, but whenever rockbox runs) is also on the same level as OF (only, the OF seems to conceal this by forcing off everything when not playing).
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16:09:45pamaurylebellium: yeah file at root doesn't seem to trigger an upgrade
16:11:48pamauryscsitool works for me, hum
16:12:05lebelliummaybe it's because I'm using a virtual machine?
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16:14:01pamaurylebellium: yeah maybe, I noticed in your pastebin that some commands fails that should not, it's strange
16:14:19pamauryI can try to compile scsitool for windows
16:16:12lebelliumok
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16:18:08auhsHi, I'm sure it won't be hard to do, I just want to swap the position of Artist and Album Artist in the Database menu, which .c file do I edit/is the list present in? Thanks
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16:21:11pamauryauhs: I'm not specialist for the database but 1) you can change the way the database is presented by editing tagnavi.config 2) if really you can't do that by editing this file, the code is in apps/tagcache.c
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16:21:48pamauryauhs: see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DataBase
16:22:48auhsthanks a lot, i really appreicate it, i tried to have a 'quick' skim of the code repository, but i didn't really know where to look, thanks
16:24:44pamauryauhs: if you can compile, I suggest you experiment the tagnavi.config changes in a simulator build
16:24:56pamauryit will be way quicker than editing on an actual device
16:25:10auhssure, i can imagine ha
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16:31:00auhspamaury: thanks a lot, i had no idea about the tagview file, i edited it and it is exactly how i want now, i didn't think this was possible without editing the source because i read
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16:31:43auhs"(only the main menu can be customised, submenus can not)" - in advanced topics, Customising The Main Menu
16:32:04auhsi will put the custom changes i made to a 'tagnavi_custom.config' as it seems i am 'supposed' to do, thanks a lot, really appreciate the help! :)
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16:35:48pamaurylebellium: I have the windows tools but I get timing errors with it in my VM so I will upload it but I'm not sure it will work
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16:39:21pamaurylebellium: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kyr8qbanicmdto9/scsitool.exe
16:40:00pamauryyou need to run from command line using "cmd.exe", the parameters are the same except you should add "-c" to disable color output which doesn't work on windows
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16:41:29pamauryand replace /dev/sdb by the drive name, like "E:" for example
16:42:28cramlerHow exactly can I make sure, that I create a new patchset to an existing change instead of creating new changes...?
16:42:43aufs33i was just here asking about changing the list in database, that's perfect now, - how hard would it be to add the lrcplayer to the main menu?
16:43:13pamaurycramler: you mean on gerrit ?
16:43:32aufs33as it is, i have to add a shortcut, that simply places me to that file in the folder it resides in, which i then have to open. can i at least make it so the lrc player actually runs when i open it FROM the shortcut menu?
16:43:34cramlerpamaury: yes
16:44:31pamaurycramler: you'll notice that each commit has a change-id, the line "Change-Id: I1be43fec9622cb78fc5737e5ed8d7fda17baf576", if your commit has the same change-id as a previous patch on gerrit, it will automatically be handled
16:44:57pamauryso either copy the change-id or your last patchset by hand in the commit message, or amend your previous commit and keep the change-id
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16:47:20cramlerpamaury: Thank you.
16:47:23cramlerSo, amending would be that choice...last time I tried (copying change-id), it created a new change...
16:48:05pamaurycramler: if you have a doubt, use git log and check the change-id of the commit is the same, if it's not, amend it just to edit it
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16:59:44bertrikhm, the int result of tuner_get is often interpreted as a boolean, but some radio drivers use -1 to indicate a specific tuner_get call is not supported, so that would be interpreted as TRUE by default
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17:16:33pamaurybertrik: the tuner code is quite a mess, on the apps/ side
17:16:44pamaurylebellium: any result ?
17:17:10lebelliumpamaury: http://pastie.org/private/moq0qeb3f48ewlsbpe7nq
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17:19:04pamaurylebellium: I get similar errors, you should run the creative updater now and perform an upgrade, otherwise you're device might not boot
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17:37:58meeloHi, can someone tell me what object.dat is in ##port# folder on my sansa clip+? It's 177mb so I would like to delete it ideally
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17:42:02pamaurymeelo: some OF data, we don't know what it is (and don't really want to)
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17:43:04pamaurymaybe bertrik knows if it can be erased safely, I think it can
17:43:37bertrikI think it's something created by the original firmware too
17:43:52bertrikpossibly it will be recreated when you boot the original firmware
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17:44:33bertrikas rockbox devs we're usually not that interested in the stuff created by the original firmware
17:45:23meelobertrik: I see ok, I'll back it up and try deleting it then, seems like too much space for something that might not be even doing anything
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19:40:02lebelliumpamaury: yep?
19:41:19pamaurylebellium: if you want, I can send you a new version of scsitool with extended time out, I checked on my box and it works, it's hust horribly slow
19:41:42lebelliumwould be nice
19:41:49pamauryok wait a sec
19:42:56pamauryhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/kyr8qbanicmdto9/scsitool.exe
19:43:25pamauryI added some progress bar too because it might take a very long time so you better get the impression it's doing something
19:46:48lebellium0%...Transport error: Le d?lai de temporisation de s?maphore a expir?.
19:46:50lebelliumCannot write sector 2
19:49:40pamauryah sorry, wrong file
19:50:32pamaurydownload it, I just updated
19:52:16lebelliumdone
19:52:21lebelliumit was quick :)
19:52:47pamauryreally :-o
19:53:02lebelliumyes, firmware writing in 10 seconds
19:53:07lebelliumand now rockbox, yeah :D
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19:57:09lebelliumeven the speaker is working, great job pamaury :)
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20:00:59pamauryat the moment rockbox is lacking automatic speaker when jack is not inserted but I will try to implement this soon
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20:04:53lebelliumI would have helped you to write the wiki page but I have no writing rights on the wiki anymore...
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20:09:25pamauryah yeah the wiki, I need to update that
20:09:34pamaurysuch a shame you don't have the rights
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20:15:57pamauryI also have a new button driver for all targets, more code factorisation
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22:06:54eaxHi there! So, I'm attempting to save my brothers Creative X-Fi3. He attempted to install RockBox on it, but did something wrong somewhere, and now it doesn't boot, just stops at a white screen. The RockBox Utility doesn't recognize it either (on OS X). What can I do? Thanks! :)
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22:25:57pamauryeax: I'm busy right now but I can help you recover later or tomorrow
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22:42:05eaxpamaury: Sound fantastic, thanks. Will seek to be online tomorrow at around the same time as now.
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