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#rockbox log for 2014-02-28

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02:16:39cramlerGreetings, everyone.
02:16:42cramlerI have a question about something that bugs me a bit (not essential though).
02:16:44cramlerWhile on the keymaps and manual for the x-fi3, I have noticed that the rockboy-plugin predefines two buttons.
02:16:46cramlerTrying to reassign them, I tracked it back to "/firmware/target/arm/imx233/creative-zenxfi3/button-target.h", where it says "For compatibility".
02:16:48cramlerSo, can I change the assignment in here, or will it break something?
02:17:35[Saint]One way to find out...
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02:31:17cramler[Saint]: :D
02:31:20cramler Seems to work fine - it smokes and smells a bit, but apart from that...
02:31:50[Saint]sounds like me.
02:34:35cramler[Saint]: Ha...I like smokey and smelly things!
02:34:37cramler At least I am better at soldering than programming...
02:35:46[Saint]Its so hard to to continue adding innuendos to that.
02:35:52*[Saint] refrains.
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02:46:06cramler[Saint]: Holding back too much can lead to spontaneous discharge.
02:46:08cramlerJust look at lightning!
02:46:10cramlerCapturing that energy flowing through the plasma canal is a final fantasy of mine...
02:46:12cramlerOnly, diaphragm shutters are not good for that...
02:54:35cramlerSpeaking of which, I wonder whether my Canon can emulate a gameboy...
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04:57:12E1NShi everyone!
04:57:22E1NSi have a question xD
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04:57:36E1NSi have a ipod 7G
04:57:52E1NSand i read and now i execute this setp of the isntalation
04:57:56E1NSEmCORE Installation/iPodClassic/UMSboot
04:57:58E1NSDownload the "installer-ipodclassic.ubi" file from the emCORE Releases page Save it to the 64MB-sized "UMSboot" volume
04:58:25E1NSwhat is the meanig for - SAVE it to the 64mb-size
04:58:28E1NS?
04:59:01E1NSis a = 'cp installer-ipodclassic.ubi /media/disk ' ??
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06:59:32Guest_Hey I have a Sansa Clip Zip and I put rockbox on it and it worked for a little while and now it won't synch
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10:30:44pamaurycopper: ping
10:35:32alexbobphas anybody used rockbox on a fuze plus who can give opinions on whether rockbox makes that weird input hardware actually usable?
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10:36:30pamauryalexbobp: I am the dev of the port so I'm biaised but in my opinion Rockbox makes the device actually usable
10:36:44alexbobpahh ok
10:36:53pamauryit is not perfect but compared to the OF that's night and day
10:37:12pamauryI suggest you ask other people before making your choice
10:37:15alexbobppamaury: I definitely believe that it's possible to improve over the OF. I bought one of those things and returned it to the store the next day
10:37:20alexbobpbefore there was a rockbox port
10:37:34pamauryyeah the OF is really terrible
10:37:44alexbobpthat goes for all sandisk players though
10:37:49alexbobpit just stands out with the weird-as sinputs
10:38:54alexbobphonestly that goes for all players I've ever seen... maybe I'm weird but I can't even stand ipod stock interfaces
10:39:13alexbobprockbox is the only thing that can satisfy me (besides android)
10:39:31alexbobppamaury: but may I ask about how you make use of the touch control then?
10:40:10pamauryalexbobp: at the moment imagine the touchpad is a 3x3 grid, we don't do any gesture analysis
10:40:22pamauryyou can configure sensitivity too
10:40:50alexbobpah, so does it work on taps? or swipes between grid squares? or how?
10:41:01pamauryand we have a patch to support deadzones between "buttons" to avoid mis-input. Also the bottom left and right empty squares act as button in rockbox
10:41:15pamauryalexbobp: tap but much better than OF
10:41:41alexbobphmm, ok
10:41:52alexbobpyeah one of my big issues was how crappy it seemed like the touchpad was
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10:41:57alexbobpbut if that wasn't even a hardware issue... :P
10:43:00pamauryI won't go into the details but the hardware has two modes: gesture and raw, in gesture it's just complete crap (see OF), we use raw mode so it's much more reactive
10:43:34alexbobpah neat
10:44:47pamauryStill you can't remove the fact that it is a touchpad so don't go for it if you really prefer physical buttons
10:45:01alexbobpyeah... I just also miss the big screen...
10:45:06alexbobpI actually just bid on some old fuzes on ebay today
10:45:16alexbobpI miss those suckers. the clicky wheel is so much nicer than apple's touch wheel imo :P
10:45:50pamaurywheels are kinda of outdates nowadays ^^
10:46:00alexbobpheh... why? are they too expensive to make?
10:46:01pamaury*outdated
10:46:25alexbobpis touch technology just all the rage for completely boneheaded reasons? it just doesn't seem actually practical for a standalone audio player
10:46:28pamauryno just out of fashion I would say, phones are the future
10:46:40alexbobpusing a phone for this sort of thing makes sense
10:47:06alexbobpbut if sandisk is still gonna manufacture DAPs I don't see why they'd stop using the clicky wheel :P
10:47:09pamauryeveryone goes android with touch-only interface
10:48:01alexbobpfor me, being able to reach down without looking and seek in the current track is important
10:50:46pamauryyeah I agree but there are less and less such players
10:52:32alexbobpwell imo the only interesting rockbox supported players for a long time have been ipods and sansas
10:53:09alexbobpipods for hard drives and in some cases speakers, and sansas for low cost and microsd slots
10:53:50alexbobphopefully the rockbox android app is more mature when I can't find decent DAPs anymore :P I keep trying to use it again
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11:29:53copperpamaury: sorry, I've been busy. I'm trying your latest build now (rockbox_fuzep_extended_debug.zip)
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11:36:18copperpamaury: ran into the bug with it: https://outpost.fr/tmp/eTt.txt
11:40:03copperdidn't take long, either
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18:40:18copper<saratoga> Almost everyone you've linked to has been totally clueless except for that one post where the guy said rockbox is awesome.
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