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#rockbox log for 2014-04-08

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04:04:33ikeboyNow that I've have two commits accepted, do I get my name in the credits?
04:07:09JdGordon_you should have added yourself in the first accepted patch
04:07:24JdGordon_put up a new diff with the change and I'll push it
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04:16:17ikeboyg#777
04:16:39ikeboyhttp://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/777/
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04:17:52JdGordon_welcome
04:18:18ikeboythanks
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10:58:19kugelJdGordon_: ping
10:59:00JdGordon_pong
10:59:07JdGordon_ sup?
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11:00:48kugelJdGordon_: about d1fd4f08 / FS #8656
11:01:09kugelI hope you can remember a bit :)
11:01:32JdGordon_hang on
11:01:39kugelin this commit you allocate from the plugin buffer, but for what purpose (I guess I'm blind since it seems to fix a bug)
11:02:05JdGordon_3.5 years ago :) I remember it like it was just yesterday!
11:02:28kugelI thought so! :)
11:02:40*JdGordon_ skips ovre the lang diff
11:03:12kugelperhaps something changed in the meantime, but plugin->buffer is only used to store filenames for in-ram playlists. I would think allocating extra ram for non-in-ram playlist has little effect
11:04:49kugelI'm in playlist.c:playlist_save() btw
11:05:28JdGordon_I'm looking at the diff, and yeah don't really reemember. I think it is to do with saving a modified playlist from the viewerr more han an inram playlist
11:06:29JdGordon_were you not able to save a playlist from the viewr before that perhaps?
11:06:47kugelthe bug report says that yes
11:07:48kugelit's confusing to me
11:08:10kugelonly the current (dynamic) playlist can be in_ram, and the bug report is specifically about non-in_ram ones
11:10:17JdGordon_the playlist viewer buffer comes from the plugin buffer anyway
11:10:53kugelbut most confusing to me is that the buffer only ever holds filenames. when you allocate a new one (because the original is too small) it won't have any filenames (but garbage) in it
11:11:02kugelso it's not useful for saving a playlist
11:12:01JdGordon_is it not copied across?
11:12:27kugelthat's not what you have written :p
11:13:16kugelin playlist_save() the buffer isn't populated after plugin_get_buffer(). it's only read by get_filename() (which returns filenames from the buffer)
11:14:11kugelso I'm really confused why the buffer is re-allocated at all
11:15:05JdGordon_that looks messed up :) probably never executred
11:15:30JdGordon_or at least maybe someting changed since then so it isnt anymore? :p
11:15:55kugelah hm, re-reading the bug I think it's two-fold: removing a track from the viewer for non-current playlist silently fails, and when removed from the current playlist saving fails with that splash
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11:17:09kugelbut a new filename buffer doesn't have (well, shouldn't) an effect in this case
11:20:13JdGordon_I'm pretty sure that if will never get executed, and it works because the viewer is using the plugin buffer anyway
11:20:33kugelinteresting
11:21:25JdGordon_umm
11:22:19kugelbut if it never gets executed how comes it that the error splash is gone
11:22:43JdGordon_?
11:23:08kugelfrom the bug report
11:23:47JdGordon_if (is_playing) { buffer_size /= 2 }
11:24:18JdGordon_that may not be the actual thing though
11:24:31JdGordon_and that is very old code (~2004 playlist_viewer_init() )
11:24:50kugelthere the playlist viewer allocates the index buffer
11:26:07kugelthe index buffer is not hte same as the filename buffer allocated in playlist_save(). depending on the playlist type (in_ram or not) it holds seek values or filename buffer offsets
11:26:31JdGordon_ok, i dunno, good luck :)
11:26:46kugelI'm curious how the playback affects how much of the plugin buffer you can use :p
11:27:08kugelit's not like another plugin_get_buffer() would give you the other half
11:29:18kugelah, right, if something is playing it uses the plugin buffer for indices, otherwise it re-uses the hardcoded in_ram playlist buffer
11:31:34kugelJdGordon_: the whole buffer_size < (amount*int) check doesnt make any sense
11:33:24kugelaha, the check was introduced by 0cca6caa, at this time the index filename buffer was re-purposed
11:33:53kugel(i guess it was not possible to playlist_save() non-in_ram playlists)
11:34:34kugelbut reuse doesnt happen anymore so the check is actually obsolete
11:38:23kugelhaha, turns out that was my fault!
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11:39:44kugeld0b72e259 removed the dual-use but I didn't remove the check at the same time
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13:30:33wodzdo we document anywhere that one may set 'base' sampling rate as 44.1 or 48kHz ?
13:31:17kugelwodz: hopefully in the manual!
13:31:34wodzkugel: fill the dates please
13:31:38wodzkugel: can't find
13:33:08kugelthen someone should update the manual
13:33:13Zagorwodz: pong
13:33:15*kugel will fill the dates later
13:33:47wodzZagor: Do you consider attending DevCon this year?
13:34:08ZagorI haven't even seen it announced
13:34:47wodzthat means you don't read rb maillist :-)
13:35:01Zagornot continously, no
13:35:41wodzZagor: I offered to host in Warsaw, Poland. We started collecting dates - see DevCon2014
13:36:01Zagorthat sounds fun
13:37:12wodzSearch through our manual does not hit anything relevant for 'frequency' or 'sample rate' so I guess manual is lacking
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13:40:43wodzin simulator this is in Settings->Playback Settings->Frequency. This is not documented apparently
13:49:24kugelwodz: unforuntately I'm afraid there are even more undocumented settings/stuff
13:55:35wodzhttp://pastebin.com/tTH1k8RH <- What do you think?
13:56:37kugelyou should ask AlexP
13:57:11kugelthough I can say that up-casing you isnt correct
13:57:58kugelI think not all targets feature this too
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13:59:35wodzhmm, the targets with codecs supporting 48kHz probably
13:59:58wodzI don't think we have conditional for that
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14:00:30kugelyes we do
14:01:21kugelplay_frequency
14:02:40kugelI think you can do opt{play_frequency}{...}
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14:07:38wodzkugel: grep doesn't confirm this
14:07:53kugelsee apps/features.txt
14:08:12kugelthis file selects features for use in .lang files and the manual
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16:29:01saratogais there anyway to check defines in the latex manual?
16:29:08saratogai don't suppose we have it preprocessed?
16:31:05gevaertsDepends
16:31:38*gevaerts tries to remember the details
16:32:33gevaertsRight
16:33:13saratogaalso looking at the menus, calling the sampling rate "frequency" is a little vague
16:33:15gevaertsI *believe* (but I might miss a detail here) that you can use features from apps/features.txt in \opt{} blocks, and apps/features.txt is preprocessed
16:34:37saratogafeatures.txt defines "play_frequency" if the sampling rate can be changed
16:34:48pixelmait is (made to do so in the latex part, you can't simply use the C declarations)
16:35:11saratogaso it would be "\opt{play_frequency}{}"?
16:35:28gevaertsYes
16:35:30pixelmaso only features.txt and the platform files define usable opt{}s
16:39:16saratogahow do i build the manual? i thought it was an option in configure but i'm not seeing it?
16:40:07pixelmanot anymore, you "make manual"
16:40:19pixelmafor a pdf that is
16:40:20saratogathanks
16:41:46saratogathe pdflatex package on ubuntu apparently takes something like 2 GB of disk space
16:41:53saratogais there a version of the manual i can compile without it?
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16:42:29gevaertsI suspect that's because of the automatic installation of recommends: dependencies
16:43:20saratogahaha sorry, 2.85GB
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17:29:31pamaurywodz (logs): yes I know, I was just very lazy and did a quick and dirty test
17:29:50pamaurythere are other problems like the address of USEC_TIMER which is not the same on PP500x so I need to fix it too
17:30:07saratogaso i've followed the wiki as best i can, but it still gives me "Permission denied (publickey)." if i try to connect on a new virtual machine
17:30:21saratogaits never asked me for a password or anything, so that is probably part of the problem
17:30:33saratogabut i have absolutely no idea how i'm supposed to tell it that
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17:33:05saratogacan someone commit this for me? http://pastebin.com/MR0fTnz8
17:33:28saratogai don't have time to spend another hour trying to figure out how are shitty git system works
17:33:57gevaertssaratoga: on gerrit, on the top right, your name, settings, ssh public keys
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20:40:48lebelliumhum are they several known revisions of the Cowon LCD remote? I had a M3 remote working perfectly on both OF and Rockbox on X5 and M3 and today I just got a X5 remote and this one only works properly with OF. With Rockbox the display is shaking
20:41:22lebelliumthere*
20:44:53lebelliumamiconn: ping
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21:36:52amiconnDirty contacts, most probably
21:37:05amiconnRockbox drives the remote quite ab it faster than the OF
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21:39:25amiconn*a bit
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21:40:25lebelliumhum interesting. I'll try to clean up the contacts with alcohol. But visually at least it doesn't look dirty
21:42:43dfktthe x5 remote is unusable anyways... unfortunately
21:42:48nrgthats what she said
21:46:41amiconnThere might be a bad connection in the remote itself (where the cable is soldered to the board - these solder points aren't exactly high quality), or this individual chip might not like the rather high driving frequency (which is still well within the chip's specs btw)
21:46:47lebelliumamiconn: nope, cleaning up didn't help. the display is still shaking heavily and sometimes gets full blank
21:48:10amiconnIf it's the latter, all one could do is slowing down the driver (at the cost of slower updates, and on M3 probably giving up greylib operation)
21:48:39lebelliumbut that would mean there are different chips revisions?
21:48:55lebelliumand the older M3 remote would work better than the more recent X5 remote?!
21:48:59amiconnMore likely different quality cables
21:49:50lebelliumokay
21:50:06lebelliumwere there similar reports in the past or am I the first one?
21:50:29amiconnAs I said, the driving frequency is well within the chip's specs, but the rather long cable might make a difference. This type of signal connection is most probably not meant to be run across a 50cm+ cable, as it is originally a chip-chip connection
21:51:31lebelliumdfkt: why? I can't really say, it's more for the collection than real use. I just like when things are working properly
21:51:56amiconnAfair there were reports like this, after which I changed the driver so that it lowers the driving frequency when the CPU is boosted (if not changing the delay cycles, higher CPU clock means higher driving freqency)
21:52:00dfktlebellium, its output is terribly noisy - probably due to the charge pump used
21:52:12dfktit sounds ok with 100+ ohm phones, but terrible with iems
21:52:14lebelliumdfkt: okay so it's just like the iRiver remote :D
21:52:19dfktyeah :)
21:52:44dfkti grabbed the audio signal from the cable before it hits the PCB, but it still was no good
21:52:44amiconndfkt: It's not a charge pump (the backlight is LED, not EL). It's the lcd driving signal that causes the noise
21:52:58dfktamiconn, aah ok, looked like a charge pump to me
21:53:22amiconnResoldering the ground connection improved (lowered) the noise issue for one of my remotes
21:53:33dfktif you use scrolling lines in your rwps, the noise is even worse than with static display, i noticed
21:53:51amiconnyep
21:54:00amiconnStatic display means no updates have to be sent
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21:54:57amiconnUsing greylib is probably worst (affects M3 only as only that one has the remote as its main display and hence greylib on it)
21:55:42lebellium pfff so many things to take into account. That's 2005 home-made stuff or what :)
21:55:56amiconnBack the I experimented a lot to adjust the driving method for minimal interference
21:57:07pixelmathe X5 remote I got from Linus also blanks sometimes on my M5
21:57:19amiconnBut "minimal" doesn't necessarily mean "low"
21:57:45dfktheh
21:58:10amiconnRegarding the occasional blanking I wanted to implement automatic reset at regular intervals as a counter-measure
21:58:17amiconn(iirc the OF does that too)
21:58:45amiconnMy two remotes are working fine, both on M3 and X5
21:59:03amiconn(at least they did when I last tried two years ago or so)
21:59:22dfktthe audio signal cables are soldered to the pcb, and go to the 3.5mm plug via lines on the pcb... i even desoldered those and bridged the audio signal via separate small wires, directly sodered to the 3.5mm plug - but it still was noisy
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22:00:13dfktguess it would have been necessary to completely isolate the plug from the pcb
22:01:11amiconnSeparating the wires only within the remote doesn't help much. They're running in parallel like 50+ cm within the cable
22:01:40amiconnAs mentioned, somtimes the "ground" solder point is bad, and the it helps to resolder it
22:01:45amiconn*and then
22:01:49dfkti did resolder that too
22:02:05dfktbest thing would be to saw off the remote audio plug at the x5 end, and just grab the signal there
22:02:13amiconnYou won't eliminate the noise this way, but it should become lower
22:03:15amiconnYeah. Saw off the jack plug part, and plug the headphone directly into the main unit, only using the blade-shaped connector for connecting the remote
22:04:08dfktyeah, or yanking the audio+ground lines from the remote cable near the x5 plug, and soldering a female 3.5mm plug on it
22:04:32dfktboth will look awful, but at least it would make the remote useful
22:04:35dfkt:)
22:05:35amiconnThere are differences between individual remotes regarding the noise problem. Might be cable quality, or maybe some cables have internal shielding between the analog and digital lines
22:06:55*amiconn doesn't remember whether there are also differences when using the same remote on different main units
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23:45:34kugelgevaerts: you tend to use random folder advance dont you?
23:46:03gevaertsWell...
23:46:09gevaertsOccasionally :)
23:46:31*gevaerts uses the feature to generate a playlist these days
23:47:35kugelgevaerts: ok. does it still work for you? just got a panic on the sim
23:48:06gevaertsNo idea. I don't have a player near me...
23:50:41kugel...what?
23:51:17gevaertsI don't carry one in my pocket at all times :)

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