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#rockbox log for 2014-09-18

00:04:48[Franklin]continuing from #rockbox-community
00:04:56[Franklin]about calculator exponent function being broken
00:07:46[Franklin]the code is nightmarish
00:09:29 Part Faux
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00:10:22[Franklin]also... there's no order-of-ops yet...
00:10:29*[Franklin] considers a rewrite
00:11:26[Franklin]or at least PLA-fy
00:25:03*[Saint] shakes a fist at jhMikeS
00:26:47[Saint]That's where tagcache RAM was backed out as a user option.
00:28:21[Saint]Just blindly re-enabling it again doesn't end well. ;)
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00:40:24*[Franklin] just thought of a plugin idea: function grapher!
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01:39:23[Saint]Aha, speak of the devil. ;)
01:40:07[Saint]jhMikeS: is tagcache RAM going to return as a user configurable option in the near future or should I go ahead and strike it from the manual?
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02:57:06jhMikeS[Saint]: just hold off on that for now
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05:08:43nialv7i fixed a audio drop off during ata power-up problem.
05:11:59nialv7hi, could someone please review this:
05:12:11nialv7also this:
05:15:29foolshTrue hackers right here, an excellent example of "use what you got"
05:15:40foolshopps wrong channel
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07:54:25zombikHi! So my clip+ has died after 2 years and I'm looking for a new MP3 player. Does anyone have any recommendations for a MP3 player that is supported by rockbox?
07:54:41zombikor is clip+ still a good choice?
07:55:55[Saint]Depends entirely on your requirements
07:56:32[Saint]Flash based? Large screen? Color? Monochrome?
07:56:49[Saint]Available as new? Refurb?
07:56:59[Saint]There's a lot to consider.
07:59:11zombikWell, clip+ is my point of reference. So I'm mostly looking for "clip+ but better", maybe a little bigger display, maybe a bit longer battery life. Sound quality is top priority of course.
08:02:34zombikI mean I'm kinda tempted to go for clip+ again, but I have not been following the MP3 player news for a few years
08:03:39[Saint]The Fuze+ is kinda nice, but its touchpad is abominable.
08:03:56[Saint]Rockbox makes it a LOT better, but its still crap.
08:04:10[Saint]Its just plain terrible - but you get used to it.
08:04:53[Saint]I prefer the HDD based players myself. I primarily use (slightly {and not so slightly}) modified iPods.
08:05:22[Saint]Classic 6/7G, Video 5/5.5G, Color/Photo, 4G
08:05:56zombikHmm, I have no use for that much space. Its mostly podcasts and a little music.
08:06:09[Saint]My _absolute_ favorite players are the iPod Nano 1G, but their capacity is laughable. 2GB max.
08:06:25[Saint](w/ no expansion)
08:08:20zombikHeard anything about clip zip?
08:08:48zombikLooks like its got physical buttons, a bit bigger color display...
08:10:12[Saint]the display is laughably small, and a weird dimension, but its a fairly nice player.
08:11:26[Saint]96x96px iirc.
08:11:44[Saint]so, a little higher, but not as wide.
08:17:11zombikYeah... after looking through the specs it does not look like much of an improvement
08:18:03zombikI guess I'll stick to the tried and true clip+, its a safer bet than trying out something new
08:18:28zombikThanks for your advice!
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09:00:04foolsh[Saint]: With the new deadzones for fuze+ it becomes "better" , I actually stuck little rubber pads over the "virtual buttons" so I can have tactical feed back. I still prefer physical buttons over anything else.
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10:11:16wodzpamaury: g#971
10:11:19fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #971 at : 3qeditor: Implement clock analyzer for rk27xx by Marcin Bukat
10:12:28wodzpamaury: It has weird side effect that analyzer tab is populated only on first select (it doesn't refresh if you change dump file or switch to register tab)
10:12:49pamauryok, that's probably a UI bug, I'll fix that
10:13:25pamaurycode looks fine, although I think now it would be a good idea to factor out the common code of FillTree* which is related to the UI
10:13:30pamauryI'll put a comment on the task
10:16:45wodzpamaury: my rk27xx dap decided to f*** up system partition in some mystery way so I can't test my ideas about usb thing
10:17:18pamaurythat's bad news
10:17:19pamaurycan you recover ?
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10:18:30wodzI don't know yet. The funny thing is nand bootloader can expose this partition, it looks mostly ok but trying fsck on it yields core dump :-)
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10:19:32wodzpamaury: so it is in some weird semi broken state
10:20:49pamauryI've commented the gerrit task
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10:47:50wodzpamaury: why do you actually initialize pointers to 0 instead of NULL? I know this makes no difference after all but looks weird
10:48:12pamaurybecause in C++ that's the right way of initialising a pointer
10:49:01pamauryactually starting from c++11 it should be nullptr
10:49:37wodzwhats wrong with NULL then?
10:51:08preglowit's not how to do it in c++
10:51:15preglowdifferent conventions
10:51:32pamaurythe standard says "A null pointer constant is an integral constant expression (5.19) rvalue of integer type that evaluates to zero."
10:51:52pamauryso in C++, the only valid definition for NULL is 0, and not (void *)0
10:52:23pamaurywhich makes it quite useless
10:52:34wodzok, thanks for clarification
10:52:46wodzyou always learn something new
10:52:49pamaurybut really we should all switch to c++11 and use nullptr ;)
10:55:44pamauryexcept g++ will stay forver with C++98 by default I guess, just like it's stuck to c89 by default
11:04:15wodzpamaury: What should I do with FillTreeIMX233() and FillTreeRK27XX() to be c++ convention compliant? Should they be in ClockAnalyser class or where?
11:05:06pamauryyeah, you have to put them in the header, in the class definition, in the protected section
11:05:20pamauryjust like FillTree()
11:09:45wodzwhy soc was in scope when not wrapped around another method?
11:10:10pamaurywodz: should be m_soc
11:10:27pamauryin the constructor that was one of the parameter
11:10:42pamauryit is given to Analyser which puts in the class variable m_soc
11:11:01wodzah, stupid me
11:11:43wodzok, works. The only thing left is the bug with refreshing tab
11:14:11pamauryso when you load the file, the analyser list is not updated ?
11:15:43wodzpamaury: it works the first time i.e open qeditor, load dump, switch to Analyzers tab and pick analyzer. This all work. But if you then switch back to Register tab and again to Analyzers the clock tree is not populated
11:15:52wodzthe same when opening new file
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11:16:17pamauryok let me try to reproduce this
11:17:10pamauryah you mean if you only click on the analyser tab, yeah that's more like a misfeature than a bug actually
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11:17:42pamauryGive me a minute, I'll try to implement this
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11:18:18wodzno, no. After tab switch selecting analyzer from list yields no result
11:18:43pamauryyou have to click on another analyser before
11:18:56wodzwhat if there is only one?
11:19:04pamauryright, good point :)
11:19:44pamaurythat's easy to fix
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11:31:07pamaurywodz: I'm going for lunch, I'll send you the patch this afternoon
11:31:28wodzpamaury: Ok
11:31:38copperit's a little early for lunch
11:35:04wodzcopper: maybe lunch is far away :P
11:35:31copperor maybe pamaury wakes up at 6am every morning
11:35:40copperI'd be hungry too by now :P
11:37:12wodzI suspect he doesn't sleep at all so this doesn't apply :P
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12:54:20pamaurywodz: I wake up at 7am ;) and I do sleep :p
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13:02:25pamaurywodz: g#972
13:02:28fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #972 at : 3qeditor: fix UI to update register/analyser view on each tree/list click by Amaury Pouly
13:04:02wodzpamaury: ok, will look in a minute
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13:18:23user890104[Saint]: do you know if franklin managed to properly fix doom on ipod6g?
13:22:09wodzuser890104: I think he gave up
13:23:14fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #932 at : 3patched G#913 by Chiwen Chang
13:23:42copperugh, that doesn't look right
13:24:25wodzcopper: the question was more about if he found out why hw timer doesn't work
13:26:32copperI don't know why anyone would want to play doom on a Classic to begin with
13:26:45copperor play any game for that matter
13:27:24copperit doesn't have a proper UI for it
13:28:07wodzHmm, according to regdump cp3 uses dma for sd transfers. Thats different to what I saw so far
13:36:20wodzpamaury: There is still small glitch with your patch. If you open Analyzers tab, then switch to Registers tab, select register from the tree and click back Analyzers tab the register remains displayed until you select analyzer from the list.
13:37:06pamaury_wodz: yeah I know, I haven't implemented any refresh when switching the tab
13:37:12pamaury_do you think it's better if I do ?
13:37:16wodzpamaury: The same for the reverse order - i.e clock analyze is still displayed after switching to Register
13:37:35wodzpamaury_: It doesn't really matter, it just looks weird
13:37:44pamaury_ok I will change that
13:46:49wodzpamaury: Do you know if lebelium has service manual for cp3?
13:47:38pamaury_wodz: I don't know
13:47:43pamaury_I don't have i
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18:32:26saratogathe DX50 port required a newer minimum NDK version in configure for Android
18:32:43saratogaso once we put it in the build system, it would be nice if people could update their build tools if they haven't yet
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18:39:43[Saint]saratoga: if they hadn't already they would've been incapable of building long ago IIUC.
18:40:03saratogaok cool
18:40:18saratogai need to setup the android build tools and test myself
18:41:10[Saint]gimme a yell if you get stuck.
18:41:33[Saint]there's some slight trickery required for very new NDK
18:41:44saratogawe should make a vm image that has it
18:42:51*foolsh nominates [Saint] to rewrite the toolchain installer script
18:42:56foolshall in favor?
18:43:06[Saint]uuugh - fuck that
18:43:38foolshBut ask him any question you like
18:43:49ZincAlloyoh, this is a democracy now?
18:44:37saratogapamaury: your machine had trouble building the sony e360 port post DX50 commit, but i think it was just a random glitch since i can build it
18:45:14pamaurylet me see
18:45:42pamauryweird, looks like a random bug indeed
18:46:19saratogasince the target is basically an android device, i assume the current build clients will be able to compile it
18:46:55pamauryI don't have the ndk installed, my client is not configured to build android ports iirc
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18:47:09saratogasame here
18:47:16saratogaactually, does the build system do android at all?
18:47:25pamauryI don't think so
18:47:31pamaurynow that you say it ^^
18:47:48[Saint]saratoga: Android SDk Tools 23.0.2, Android SDK Platform-tools 20, Android SDK Build-tools 19.1, SDK Platform 19, and,48506.0.html
18:48:19[Saint]and exporting ANDROID_SDK_PATH and ANDROID_NDK_PATH variables
18:48:31[Saint]plus some form of JDK/JRE
18:48:56saratogathats slightly annoying then if we want to offer builds of the DX50
18:48:57[Saint]eitheir openjdk-6/7 or oracle-java7
18:49:32[Saint]the build system does
18:49:59pamauryor maybe it does android but doesn't upload the image ?
18:50:09[Saint]I believe thats the case.
18:51:05[Saint]Hmmmm...maybe not.
18:51:10saratogai see SDL application
18:52:30[Saint]anyhoo, as of right now, the above listed deps will get you building for Android.
18:52:58[Saint]I guess I could re-do the toolchain installer.
18:53:07[Saint]Its just so trivial to do by hand.
18:53:24[Saint]Kinda seems a bit of a joke to automate it.
18:54:05[Saint]the sdk will install with a fucktonne of shit you don't need.
18:54:29[Saint]you can remove all that shit and just install the above listed packages from the 'android' SDK manager.
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19:01:05Guest_14083Hello! I wonder if somebody could help me? I'm trying to use a theme which replaces the USB connected screen on my Clip Zip. See theme KnK:
19:01:16Guest_14083The approach used in this theme works on the sim but not the device... Any ideas?
19:01:49Guest_14083NB, It uses display 21 however this is not listed in the manual (which only has 1-20).
19:03:01Guest_14083Any advice on why behaviour differs between sim and hardware?
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19:49:59Guest_14083If anybody is able to help with the above USB connected screen query please do let me know - I've just taken a look at the Rockbox source and I cannot see how it'd ever work without a private build. However, it works in the sim so I guess I'm missing something there.
19:50:20Guest_14083I've contacted the theme developer and will try and take another look at the source if I get a chance but in the meantime, I'd love any clues!
19:50:29ZincAlloyisn't that theme meant to be used with an unsupported build?
19:53:21Guest_14083I thought that was just for 'fine tune'. He gives some patches in his thread but none of these seem to be related.
19:53:48Guest_14083It does not look to me as though there is support for the usb screen to be returned as a current screen (%cs) and the manual would also agree.
19:54:11Guest_14083So I imagine it must be a custom build... But I thought the theme dev would've given the source/patches for any changes.
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19:54:42Guest_14083I'll see what his reply (if any) says... Otherwise, at least confirmation of whether this should even work or not (and how) in the current build... And why it works in the sim but not hardware... would be useful.
19:54:50Guest_14083Unless I'm missing the obvious... Which is very possible!
19:55:46ZincAlloyI don't think the usb icon is themeable. He must have used a patch he forgot to mention
19:57:34Guest_14083But how's it working in the sim? :S
19:57:42Guest_14083Otherwise, I'd agree with you totally!
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20:03:30ZincAlloythat's really odd..
20:04:38gevaertsI believe (it's been a while!) that someone once tried to add support for the USB screen. This was then disabled again by forcibly unloading the theme on USB connect
20:04:47gevaertsPresumably that doesn't happen in the sim
20:05:02gevaertsTheming and USB is a bit tricky for various reasons
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20:10:52[Saint]I thought we kept the sbs loaded?
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20:11:38gevaertsWe used to, at some point, I think
20:11:38[Saint]or perhaps that appears to happen by way of happy accident
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21:24:07Guest_14083Still not sure I understand the difference between sim and hw though. In sim if I press 'u' (with that theme loaded) I see the guys usb icon. On the hardware when I connect to the PC I do not see it..
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21:53:47pamaurywodz (logs): see g#979 (it depends on g#978, g#977, g#976, g#975, g#974 and g#973)
21:54:03fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #979 at : 3qeditor: rework modified indicator, register tab names depend on content by Amaury Pouly
21:54:03fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #978 at : 3qeditor: implement usb device list refresh (if supported) by Amaury Pouly
21:54:04fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #977 at : 3qeditor: fix horrible out of bound bug by Amaury Pouly
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23:05:41makotohi, i think my ipod is havign an identity crisis
23:06:18makotoi've just put a 64gb sd card in an sd-to-cf on my ipod mini 2nd gen, and i've manually restored partition table, but extended the 6 gig partition
23:06:50makotoevery time i use the utility to flash bootloader, it comes back with "Error reading partition table - possibly not an Ipod"
23:07:15gevaertsDid you keep the firmware partition?
23:07:19makotoany ideas how i tell my ipod that it's definitely an ipod?
23:07:26makotoum- yes, but
23:07:33makotois it meant to be "unformatted"?
23:07:40gevaertsIt's meant to be type 0
23:07:51makotothat's raw right?
23:07:55gevaertsSome tools think that means there's no partition there, which can be annoying :)
23:08:08copperdoes that use emCORE?
23:08:13CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:08:13*makoto nods
23:08:20makotoloosk like it's type 0
23:08:23gevaertscopper: no
23:08:35makotoi wonder if its the extention of the fat partition that's upsetting it
23:08:55gevaertsShouldn't be
23:09:06gevaertsI've done that a few times
23:09:29gevaertsWell, to 32GB, not to 64GB, but that shouldn't matter
23:13:17makotooooh new error now - "Failed to read firmware directory"
23:14:16gevaertshmmm, not sure if my first question was clear now...
23:14:32gevaertsDid you just copy the partition table, or also the entire first (firmware) partition?
23:16:01makotoi copied both - first i dd'd the partitiont able over, ran the hdparm, then i dd'd firmware to the first partition, then made fat32 on partition 2
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23:16:47gevaertsShould be fine then
23:17:26gevaertsUnless you got the firmware from the felixburns site and didn't realise those are zip files that need to be unpacked first
23:17:36makotonope- i unzipped it
23:18:15*gevaerts tries to think of other stuff that might be wrong
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23:19:53gevaertsDid you do anything special between getting "Error reading partition table" and "Failed to read firmware directory"?
23:20:40makotoi decided that i shoul dprobably not resize just yet in case thats upsetting it
23:20:58makotoso i dd'd stock partition table back again and followed instructions to the letter
23:21:21makotobtw- noticed these lines in terminal - is the third one normal? may be related?
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23:22:43gevaertsAre you sure it picked the correct device?
23:22:51*gevaerts is confused here
23:22:58*makoto too
23:23:25makotourgh picture of a plug? never seen that before?
23:24:08makotook - so its booting OF now, halfway there!
23:24:17gevaertsThe firmware image begins with if you look at a hexdump of it. That's what "Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright" is referring to
23:24:30gevaertsSo if it doesn't see that, something weird is going on
23:24:53makotodid they really put a stop sign in the firmware
23:25:06gevaertsYes :)
23:25:31makotothats made my day :)
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23:26:46makotoright, thats spot on
23:26:57makotoi do indeed see a little stop sign
23:27:20makoto( dd'd sdb1 down to an image then opened it in ghex)
23:27:49makotoperhaps i should just try manually installing the rockbox bootloader and seeing if that works
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23:28:24gevaertsIf the OF boots, things should really work...
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23:28:45gevaertsrockbox utility uses the exact same code as ipodpatcher
23:29:25makotoi just segfaulted it
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23:31:04makotothis was the util
23:31:10makotoi hit go, suddenly bang, and it disappears
23:32:30makotowill try ipodpatcher i think.
23:41:03makotothis might be a bit of an obscure one - just saw this
23:41:15makoto[ERR] ioctl() call to get sector size failed, defaulting to 512
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23:41:42gevaertsThat's a weird one
23:41:56gevaerts512 should be correct, but it might still point to other issues
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23:42:05gevaertsDoes dmesg say anything suspicious?
23:44:22makotothe bit where it says it's adjusting the sector count looks a bit scary to me
23:44:55gevaertsThat one is actually normal :)
23:45:16gevaertsWell, what goes for normal in the usb mass storage world...
23:45:56gevaertsI don't remember the details, but it's about the OF reporting one sector too many or something like that
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23:57:13makotohmm something odd
23:57:22makotopartition thinks it's 50 gig
23:57:34makotoi wrote the table so it should be 6
23:57:47[Franklin]MBR can only do 4, right?
23:58:12gevaertsI'm wondering if that adapter might sometimes corrupt data
23:58:19gevaerts[Franklin]: what?
23:58:30makotowonder if the cf-to-sd card thing is trying its hand at wear leveling or something silly?! /
23:58:49makotoi think it may be a little more than sometimes, if its happening

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