| 00:00:18 | [Franklin] | oh yeah, we're in the 1000s of gerrit tasks! :) |
| 00:00:18 | saratoga | i'm not really able to review that |
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| 00:01:16 | * | [Franklin] waits for the XRick author to push his code to gerrit |
| 00:01:29 | [Franklin] | I mean seriously, how hard is it? |
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| 00:26:37 | [Saint] | [Franklin]: have you considered the author might not care to do so, or that the licence or authorship may be ambiguous or incompatible? |
| 00:38:30 | [Franklin] | to me, it seems like he wants to |
| 00:39:03 | [Saint] | Based on what? |
| 00:39:11 | [Saint] | No one is stopping him, and he surely knows it exists. |
| 00:39:49 | [Franklin] | "Sounds good. Just to be sure, should I do one big commit with plain files with no history? Should I go via the subtree merge route? " |
| 00:39:58 | [Franklin] | in response to "you should commit it to gerrit" |
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| 00:43:13 | [Franklin] | to me, it seems like he wants to push it to gerrit ;) |
| 00:43:32 | [Franklin] | and like pacbox, the proprietary data can be hosted elsewhere |
| 00:43:49 | [Saint] | He can't. |
| 00:43:59 | [Saint] | So, I'd stop worrying about it. |
| 00:44:04 | [Saint] | It isn't getting merged. |
| 00:44:16 | [Franklin] | Why can't he? |
| 00:44:19 | [Franklin] | He doesn't know how? |
| 00:44:25 | [Saint] | ** LICENSE AGREEMENT & LEGAL BABLE |
| 00:44:25 | [Saint] | I have written the xrick code. However, graphics and maps and sounds |
| 00:44:25 | [Saint] | are by the authors of the original Rick Dangerous game, and "Rick |
| 00:44:25 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK [Saint] |
| 00:44:25 | [Saint] | Dangerous" remains a trademark of its owner(s) −− maybe Core Design |
| 00:44:25 | [Saint] | (who wrote the game) or FireBird (who published it). As of today, I |
| 00:44:27 | [Saint] | have not been successful at contacting Core Design. |
| 00:44:29 | [Saint] | This makes it a bit difficult to formally release the whole code, |
| 00:44:32 | [Saint] | including data for graphics and maps and sounds, under the terms of |
| 00:44:34 | [Saint] | licences such as the GNU General Public Licence. So the code is |
| 00:44:37 | [Saint] | released "in the spirit" of the GNU GPL. Whatever that means. |
| 00:44:38 | [Saint] | This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but |
| 00:44:40 | [Saint] | WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY |
| 00:44:42 | [Saint] | or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. |
| 00:44:48 | [Franklin] | FLOOD!!! |
| 00:44:49 | [Saint] | As I thought, ambiguous license. |
| 00:45:02 | [Saint] | Soooo, yeah. Not happening. |
| 00:45:09 | [Franklin] | aww |
| 00:45:24 | [Franklin] | it had tons of potential |
| 00:45:41 | [Saint] | It still does, just, not in the official tree. |
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| 00:46:02 | * | [Franklin] can't imagine a plugin being distributed separately |
| 00:46:16 | [Franklin] | except wikipedia |
| 00:46:23 | [Franklin] | and all the other stuff on FS |
| 00:46:44 | [Saint] | I /guess/ it could be managed in a similar fashion to DooM, where we could point to a blob we don't distribute. |
| 00:46:49 | [Saint] | But, that's a lot of work. |
| 00:46:51 | [Franklin] | exactly |
| 00:47:28 | [Saint] | Though the DooM thing is for binsize, not licensing, IIUC. |
| 00:47:28 | [Franklin] | wait... what? |
| 00:47:35 | [Saint] | But, the same concept could be used. |
| 00:47:47 | [Franklin] | so distribute a binary blob of EXECUTABLE code? |
| 00:47:51 | [Franklin] | or just of data? |
| 00:48:10 | gevaerts | Doom is a bad example |
| 00:48:23 | gevaerts | Pacbox is more similar |
| 00:48:25 | [Franklin] | yeah |
| 00:48:33 | [Saint] | I was thinking more along the lines of resources, as it only seems to be the graphics and sound that are in contention. |
| 00:48:50 | [Franklin] | [Saint]: the data IS distributed separately from the code tree |
| 00:48:54 | [Saint] | also, yes. Pacbox is a much better example, thanks. |
| 00:49:00 | * | [Franklin] said it first ;) |
| 00:49:26 | gevaerts | Well, a lot depends on whether these data can be legally downloaded |
| 00:49:40 | [Saint] | Right. |
| 00:49:49 | [Franklin] | isn't it technically abandonware? |
| 00:49:58 | [Saint] | In that case, I guess that could be handled a similar way to pacbox as well. |
| 00:50:11 | [Saint] | Just list the hashes of said files and leave it up to the installee. |
| 00:50:29 | [Franklin] | yep |
| 00:50:45 | [Franklin] | or don't have the hashes at all, and let people mod it easier |
| 00:50:52 | gevaerts | [Franklin]: and what's that, *technically*? |
| 00:51:03 | [Franklin] | an emulator |
| 00:51:11 | [Franklin] | :P |
| 00:51:20 | gevaerts | I mean "abandonware" |
| 00:51:22 | [Saint] | He meant regarding abandonware. |
| 00:51:43 | [Saint] | It being abondoned doesn't mean its magically up for grabs and licensing doesn't matter anymore. |
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| 00:57:11 | gevaerts | "Abandonware" usually means "I suspect nobody cares enough about this to actually sue me, so it's in the public domain as far as I'm concerned" |
| 00:58:25 | [Franklin] | [Saint]: just like pacbox, we distribute the emulator and leave the actual data out |
| 00:58:39 | [Franklin] | right? |
| 00:59:35 | [Franklin] | the actual source code is GPL |
| 00:59:42 | [Franklin] | not the data |
| 00:59:43 | gevaerts | If the actual data are redistributable or have a stable official download location, we can do a bit better |
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| 01:00:21 | [Franklin] | github isn't stable? |
| 01:00:50 | gevaerts | It might be |
| 01:01:14 | [Franklin] | just let it be hosted on there until it gets a DMCA C+D letter :) |
| 01:01:48 | [Franklin] | (the latter it being github) |
| 01:01:57 | gevaerts | But if the blob is "all rights reserved, we'll hunt you down with a horse whip if you copy it", linking to it might not be acceptable |
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| 01:02:24 | [Franklin] | but we're not LINKING to it, right? |
| 01:02:27 | [Franklin] | the blob only has data |
| 01:02:31 | [Franklin] | not code |
| 01:02:47 | [Franklin] | as in a text editor would view the data, the game is just viewing the assets |
| 01:03:01 | gevaerts | See pacbox |
| 01:03:07 | [Franklin] | exactly |
| 01:03:22 | [Franklin] | the emulator "views" the code |
| 01:03:39 | [Franklin] | nothing illegal about z80 emulator, right? :) |
| 01:03:51 | gevaerts | Yes, which is *entirely* not what I'm talking about |
| 01:04:06 | [Franklin] | then what are you talking about? |
| 01:04:53 | [Franklin] | XRick doesn't execute the blob |
| 01:05:10 | [Franklin] | it's not technically linking to it then |
| 01:05:29 | [Saint] | He means, us saying "Here, go to this place to download this" |
| 01:05:37 | gevaerts | If there's no clean download location, the user is expected to find an old floppy and get the data from there (or whatever the original format is) |
| 01:05:51 | [Franklin] | which makes merging the code perfectly legal |
| 01:06:02 | [Franklin] | as long as the data isn't distributed with it |
| 01:06:10 | gevaerts | The *code* is not the issue |
| 01:06:20 | gevaerts | Nobody ever said it was |
| 01:06:27 | [Franklin] | merge the code, leave out the data. simple! |
| 01:06:36 | [Franklin] | (once its ready) |
| 01:06:50 | [Saint] | *headdesk* |
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| 01:15:23 | * | [Franklin] still doesn't get it |
| 01:15:40 | [Franklin] | what's wrong with including PERFECTLY LEGAL source code? |
| 01:15:54 | [Franklin] | the data can stay where it is |
| 01:16:04 | gevaerts | WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING SOURCE CODE! |
| 01:16:18 | [Franklin] | ME THINKS gevaerts SHOULD STOP USING CAPS |
| 01:16:25 | [Franklin] | but yes, I know |
| 01:16:41 | [Saint] | You clearly don't. Or, if you do, you're deliberately being a cunt. |
| 01:16:44 | [Saint] | Pick one. |
| 01:16:44 | gevaerts | So stop trolling |
| 01:17:10 | [Franklin] | the data is in questionable legal status, I get that |
| 01:17:26 | [Franklin] | but as long as we don't distribute it, it's fine, right? |
| 01:18:01 | gevaerts | There are levels of not distributing things |
| 01:18:22 | [Franklin] | leave it the guy's github |
| 01:18:30 | [Saint] | Not necessarily, no. As gevaerts said, if it is controlled by particularly anal rights holders, even pointing to a place where it can be acquired could potentially put us in hot water. |
| 01:18:48 | the-kyle | Well, I don't think I want something in my Rockbox that doesn't work and then tells me I have to get the data from somewhere, possibly illegally, if I'm understanding this correctly. |
| 01:18:58 | [Saint] | WHich is the issue you've been missing the point on for the past ten minutes. |
| 01:19:02 | gevaerts | the-kyle: too late |
| 01:19:11 | [Saint] | too late, the-kyle |
| 01:19:17 | [Saint] | better uninstall now then. |
| 01:19:19 | the-kyle | lol |
| 01:19:30 | gevaerts | We don't tell you to get things illegally though |
| 01:19:44 | the-kyle | Well no, which was what I was referring to. |
| 01:19:46 | [Franklin] | exactly! |
| 01:19:50 | [Saint] | We give you enough info to figure it out, though. |
| 01:19:54 | [Franklin] | don't say anything about the data |
| 01:19:59 | gevaerts | We tell you to personally dump the ROMs from your pacman machine |
| 01:20:04 | [Franklin] | just say that "data filse missing" |
| 01:20:08 | [Franklin] | *files |
| 01:20:11 | [Franklin] | when you start xrick |
| 01:20:20 | [Franklin] | and then they google for "xrick data" |
| 01:20:37 | [Franklin] | and they find it! voila! |
| 01:20:55 | gevaerts | It's perfectly fine to explain how to legally acquire the data and how to verify that you did it correctly |
| 01:21:07 | the-kyle | Yes. |
| 01:21:22 | [Franklin] | LOL |
| 01:21:44 | the-kyle | This I understand, but I think a link to data of questionable legality may be going too far. One can Google that, it can't be "official." |
| 01:22:00 | * | gevaerts nods |
| 01:22:01 | [Franklin] | exactly' |
| 01:22:19 | [Franklin] | the name is enough |
| 01:24:33 | [Franklin] | merge it, and delete all changes to the wiki |
| 01:24:40 | [Franklin] | that reveal how to get the data |
| 01:24:58 | gevaerts | You don't get it, do you? |
| 01:25:23 | * | [Franklin] doesn't understand |
| 01:25:40 | gevaerts | The wiki should tell you how to get the data legally |
| 01:25:51 | * | [Franklin] meant that |
| 01:26:01 | [Franklin] | no "illegal" or "questionable" link |
| 01:26:05 | [Franklin] | +s |
| 01:26:19 | gevaerts | It's *not* supposed to then suggest that there are other ways |
| 01:26:59 | the-kyle | There has to be a way to obtain the data legally, without question. Then the instructions can be given for how to do this. |
| 01:27:24 | [Franklin] | and make those seem extremely hard, so people naturally google "xrick data" |
| 01:27:42 | * | gevaerts gives up |
| 01:28:01 | [Franklin] | or not |
| 01:28:23 | the-kyle | The idea is to make it *easy* to figure out how to obtain the data *legally*. |
| 01:29:05 | [Franklin] | but what if you don't have the LEGAL version of rick dangerous? |
| 01:29:48 | the-kyle | If there is no way to obtain the data legally, then there is no point in distributing the code. |
| 01:29:49 | [Franklin] | so just explain how to get the data legally on the wiki |
| 01:30:00 | [Franklin] | of course there's a way |
| 01:30:07 | [Franklin] | but it isn't that easy |
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| 01:40:27 | [Franklin] | gevaerts: so it CAN legally be included? |
| 01:45:37 | [Franklin] | yes or no, so I know whether or not to work on it |
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| 02:12:14 | [Franklin] | hi Pierluigi |
| 02:12:56 | Pierluigi | hi guys |
| 02:13:19 | Pierluigi | anyone I can ask some git info? |
| 02:13:24 | [Franklin] | sure |
| 02:13:30 | [Franklin] | don't ask to ask :) |
| 02:13:59 | Pierluigi | alright thx man :) |
| 02:14:11 | Pierluigi | so in regard to this: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2014-10/0000.shtml |
| 02:14:32 | [Franklin] | oh yeah, thanks for the port :) |
| 02:14:42 | Pierluigi | I've been quite busy this week and now looking forward checking stuff in gerrit |
| 02:14:50 | [Franklin] | [Saint]: see :P |
| 02:14:56 | Pierluigi | (you're welcome) |
| 02:15:13 | [Franklin] | Pierluigi: one bug, in system_rockbox.c, the call to rb->sleep(HZ/1000) is useless |
| 02:15:20 | [Franklin] | just rb->yield() is fine |
| 02:15:28 | [Franklin] | sleep is unneccessary |
| 02:15:55 | * | [Franklin] can't write to the list |
| 02:15:58 | Pierluigi | uhm ok good i'll change it then |
| 02:16:21 | Pierluigi | can u elaborate more on it actually? |
| 02:16:27 | Pierluigi | just wondering |
| 02:16:27 | [Saint] | We were just discussing the hilariously vague license terms of the xRick port about an hour ago. |
| 02:16:39 | Pierluigi | eh eh I know guys :D |
| 02:16:48 | [Franklin] | read the logs ;) |
| 02:17:00 | [Franklin] | In function sys_yield() |
| 02:17:19 | [Franklin] | all you need is rb->yield() |
| 02:17:21 | [Franklin] | that's it |
| 02:17:21 | Pierluigi | what day should I look at? Today's log? |
| 02:17:28 | [Franklin] | an hour or so ago |
| 02:17:30 | [Saint] | Long story short; it can happen, but it'd need to be treated similarly to pacbox in regards to resources of questionable origin |
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| 02:17:41 | [Franklin] | yes |
| 02:17:56 | Pierluigi | yes sure I understood but I was just wondering why sleep is useless instead of yeld |
| 02:18:29 | [Franklin] | all you need is yield, sleep and yield is equivalent to yield twice |
| 02:18:34 | Pierluigi | I mean what does yeld (or sleep) do under the hood? |
| 02:18:44 | [Franklin] | yield switches threads |
| 02:18:45 | Pierluigi | didn 't bother checking the sources |
| 02:18:53 | [Franklin] | so the clock thread can run, for example |
| 02:19:06 | [Saint] | its essentially the same as yeild() |
| 02:19:17 | [Franklin] | LOL so many misspellings of yield |
| 02:19:23 | [Franklin] | yeld, yeild |
| 02:19:30 | [Saint] | indeed. clumsy fingers here. |
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| 02:19:37 | Pierluigi | eh eh indeed |
| 02:20:20 | [Franklin] | so just read the logs :) |
| 02:20:23 | [Franklin] | and ask about git |
| 02:20:36 | Pierluigi | ok gimme few mins :) |
| 02:21:01 | [Franklin] | sure thing |
| 02:21:07 | [Saint] | Pierluigi: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit |
| 02:21:18 | [Saint] | This describes setting up the gerrit hooks in detail |
| 02:21:34 | [Saint] | and a bit about git in general. |
| 02:21:50 | [Franklin] | and BTW, commit it as one giant commit |
| 02:21:57 | [Saint] | FOr more git advice, see gitref.org |
| 02:22:02 | [Franklin] | it gets annoying with 20 or so commits |
| 02:23:31 | [Franklin] | you can keep a working branch, and a pushed branch |
| 02:23:51 | [Franklin] | make all the random commits you want on the working branch, and cherry-pick them to the pushed on |
| 02:23:54 | [Franklin] | *one |
| 02:24:02 | [Franklin] | then rebase and push to gerrit when you want to |
| 02:24:57 | [Franklin] | ( |
| 02:25:02 | [Franklin] | (at least that's what I do) |
| 02:25:53 | * | [Franklin] doesn't know if that's the "right" way |
| 02:26:03 | Pierluigi | ok read it |
| 02:26:44 | Pierluigi | sorry I thought specifying a sleep value was good to save some extra battery, but if it's just another random yield, yes pretty useless |
| 02:27:05 | [Franklin] | don't apologize for code you wrote in the past :) |
| 02:27:16 | Pierluigi | dunno how sleep and yield are implemented under the hood so, alright we'll definitely change it |
| 02:27:22 | [Franklin] | BTW, HZ is 100, so HZ/1000 is zero anyway |
| 02:27:25 | Pierluigi | *I'll definitely..* |
| 02:27:53 | [Franklin] | but this is your first plugin? |
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| 02:28:25 | [Franklin] | if so, wow! |
| 02:28:29 | [Franklin] | good job |
| 02:28:30 | Pierluigi | yes sure |
| 02:28:42 | Pierluigi | didn't have much time to look at rockbox sources |
| 02:28:50 | * | [Franklin] tried porting Wolf4SDL and failed MISERABLY |
| 02:29:01 | * | [Franklin] can't port |
| 02:29:05 | [Franklin] | only writer |
| 02:29:06 | [Franklin] | *write |
| 02:29:28 | Pierluigi | the idea was to check it in on gerrit, let people test it and refine it based on your review |
| 02:29:40 | [Franklin] | that's the whole point of gerrit ;) |
| 02:29:58 | Pierluigi | definitely faster than trying to look at ALL rockbox sources myself and trying to guess the "right thing" :) |
| 02:30:02 | * | [Franklin] wrote 2048, BTW ;) |
| 02:30:21 | [Franklin] | if you are ever in doubt about how to write a plugin, look at 2048 ;) |
| 02:30:22 | Pierluigi | cool franklin :D |
| 02:30:31 | [Franklin] | (the plugin, not the real game) |
| 02:30:45 | Pierluigi | anyway, back to my main question... |
| 02:30:54 | [Franklin] | LOL sure |
| 02:30:57 | Pierluigi | as I asked later on in the email thread... |
| 02:31:19 | Pierluigi | I was wondering what the best commit approach would be here |
| 02:31:22 | Pierluigi | I mean... |
| 02:31:24 | [Franklin] | one big commit |
| 02:31:28 | [Franklin] | definitely |
| 02:31:33 | Pierluigi | hmmmm ok |
| 02:31:44 | Pierluigi | but then you guys will lose all history |
| 02:31:50 | Pierluigi | (I guess?) |
| 02:32:05 | Pierluigi | or are u planning to do a merge from my repo at the end? |
| 02:32:18 | Pierluigi | I was thinking about the subtree merge as I mentioned |
| 02:32:35 | [Franklin] | the history doesn't really matter |
| 02:32:53 | Pierluigi | hmmm ok |
| 02:33:02 | [Franklin] | just the final product ;) |
| 02:33:12 | Pierluigi | eh eh I appreciate the honesty :) |
| 02:33:24 | [Franklin] | though any patch sets you commit will be saved on Gerrit indefinitely |
| 02:33:38 | [Franklin] | so each gerrit revision (patch set) will be saved for future reference |
| 02:34:03 | [Franklin] | so the sooner you get it on gerrit, the better ;) |
| 02:34:36 | Pierluigi | ok so my only other "concern" was about a future merge from my branch, cause I'll probably add stuff/feature/code changes |
| 02:35:02 | [Franklin] | you can do that, too |
| 02:35:14 | [Franklin] | after the initial merge, you can push more patches |
| 02:35:18 | Pierluigi | but I guess at that point I'll have to generate patches for each change manually and submit to original gerrit thread? |
| 02:35:39 | [Franklin] | once it gets merged, you start a new gerrit task for each change |
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| 02:36:21 | Pierluigi | (well...I guess I'll just overwrite files locally and commit whatever the overwritten file on my local rockbox repo has...) |
| 02:36:48 | * | [Franklin] did something like that with 2048 |
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| 02:37:03 | [Franklin] | after the initial commit, I started a new task to add clip+ support, for example |
| 02:37:58 | * | [Franklin] had 47 patch sets for 2048: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/888 |
| 02:38:27 | [Franklin] | and then and then this one http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/917/ |
| 02:38:36 | [Franklin] | no hassles whatsoever |
| 02:38:43 | [Franklin] | git is magic |
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| 02:40:26 | [Franklin] | so you'll want to commit the installed files (all the files under apps/plugins/xrick) and push to gerrit |
| 02:40:36 | [Franklin] | git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master |
| 02:40:50 | [Franklin] | and then it'll be there for all to see ;) |
| 02:40:57 | Pierluigi | sounds good |
| 02:41:22 | * | [Franklin] thinks all the legal issues have been sorted out now, right [Saint]? |
| 02:41:37 | Pierluigi | btw sorry for being so late in checking this thing in, but really had a crazy week |
| 02:42:00 | Pierluigi | actually, has anyone tried it already? :D |
| 02:42:05 | [Franklin] | yes!!! |
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| 02:42:10 | [Franklin] | it's GREAT |
| 02:42:20 | Pierluigi | cool :D |
| 02:42:21 | [Franklin] | but it has some problems |
| 02:42:25 | [Franklin] | no load/save |
| 02:42:25 | Pierluigi | which hardware? |
| 02:42:28 | [Franklin] | ipod classic |
| 02:42:45 | Pierluigi | oh yes sure the original game has no load/save at all |
| 02:42:50 | [Franklin] | and it doesn't build (missing keymaps) on some (many) other targets |
| 02:43:05 | [Franklin] | but it ought to be easy to add, right? |
| 02:44:05 | Pierluigi | yes of course keymaps should be added by (hopefully) you guys or whoever it's gonna test it on an hardware other than the ones that I've already got |
| 02:44:21 | [Franklin] | I mean, just write ammo, lives, position to a file |
| 02:44:54 | [Franklin] | Pierluigi: we MOST LIKELY are not going to do your work for you ;) |
| 02:45:08 | [Franklin] | we will help you out, sure |
| 02:45:27 | * | [Franklin] got plenty of help with 2048 from these guys, too |
| 02:45:54 | [Franklin] | but you may want to consider using PLA |
| 02:45:58 | Pierluigi | oh yes sure I just was making the point that I can't really commit stuff that I have no hardware for :P |
| 02:46:04 | [Franklin] | actually you can |
| 02:46:09 | [Franklin] | that's what the sim's for |
| 02:46:38 | Pierluigi | uhm...don't trust it really... |
| 02:46:39 | [Franklin] | be sure to test on 1-bit, greyscale, and color targets |
| 02:46:48 | [Franklin] | Pierluigi: the sim is fine for testing plugins, really |
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| 02:46:54 | Pierluigi | got a very different behaviour on real hardware |
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| 02:47:01 | Pierluigi | I'm talking about diagonals for example |
| 02:47:05 | [Franklin] | for lower-level stuff, you need real HW, but for most things, the sim is fine |
| 02:47:15 | [Franklin] | excuse me? |
| 02:47:16 | Pierluigi | not to mention iram |
| 02:47:19 | [Franklin] | ahh |
| 02:47:21 | Pierluigi | iriver for example |
| 02:47:21 | [Franklin] | true |
| 02:47:25 | [Franklin] | very true |
| 02:47:43 | [Franklin] | but most of the time, you should at least test on the sim |
| 02:47:49 | [Franklin] | all the time, actually |
| 02:48:35 | Pierluigi | hmmm I thought better to check it in on gerrit first |
| 02:48:48 | Pierluigi | getting some feedback from other devs and then tweak |
| 02:48:50 | [Franklin] | yeah, get the code out first, that's for sure |
| 02:49:03 | [Franklin] | but then test |
| 02:49:04 | Pierluigi | afterall this is what peer review is about right? |
| 02:49:06 | [Franklin] | and add features |
| 02:49:09 | [Franklin] | and fix stuff ;) |
| 02:50:32 | [Franklin] | oh yeah, don't forget to add yourself to the CREDITS |
| 02:50:46 | Pierluigi | tested iriver h120 sim and it worked...I'm actually very curious if it's gonna ever work on the real greyscale targets :) |
| 02:51:11 | [Franklin] | if DOOM can work, then this can :) |
| 02:51:15 | Pierluigi | ou..ok will do... :P |
| 02:51:33 | Pierluigi | eh eh very true :) |
| 02:51:36 | [Franklin] | but strangely enough... 2048 WON'T run on archos :) |
| 02:51:59 | [Franklin] | or will it? |
| 02:52:27 | Pierluigi | also the initial implementation I had wasn't using audio buffer ram at all |
| 02:52:53 | Pierluigi | I had it running with sound in the 512k plugin ram |
| 02:53:00 | [Franklin] | wow |
| 02:53:10 | * | [Franklin] likes that his ipod has 64M ram |
| 02:53:16 | [Franklin] | great for calculating pi |
| 02:53:21 | Pierluigi | but the only reason why I wanted that to happen was because I wanted people to be able to stop and play audio |
| 02:53:39 | [Franklin] | Pierluigi: also, don't forget the manual entry |
| 02:53:40 | Pierluigi | so I had it running quite nice |
| 02:54:24 | Pierluigi | manual? uhm...maybe I'll add later as an additional patch... |
| 02:54:36 | [Franklin] | no... every plugin needs to come with a manual entry |
| 02:54:42 | * | [Franklin] learned it the hard way |
| 02:54:43 | Pierluigi | no time to write it right now |
| 02:54:47 | Pierluigi | :) |
| 02:54:49 | [Franklin] | well sure |
| 02:54:59 | [Franklin] | but if you want it to get merged, it needs a manual |
| 02:55:25 | Pierluigi | yeah sure agree, controls at least might be tricky to get without a manual |
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| 02:56:15 | Pierluigi | anyway, I learned the "hard way" that once u start playback u can't use ingame audio |
| 02:56:22 | Pierluigi | or viceversa I can't remember |
| 02:56:48 | * | [Franklin] didn't need one |
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| 02:57:47 | Pierluigi | so, for example, user can't start stop playback using, say, xrick playback menu, and then having xrick making sound again |
| 02:58:44 | Pierluigi | or maybe because I couldn't recall/regive requested audio buffer back |
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| 03:00:01 | Pierluigi | would be nice if I could "release" the requested audio buffer so that the system can play audio again, and maybe request it back if I (for example) decide to stop audio and load my sounds |
| 03:00:51 | Pierluigi | but anyway...there was also the problem of continuos disk swap happening for pretty much every sound |
| 03:01:18 | Pierluigi | so in the end I had to scrap my design and just allocate all sounds into audio buffer memory |
| 03:01:43 | Pierluigi | at least now everything is preallocated so no disk access while playing = better battery life |
| 03:02:52 | Pierluigi | but it would be could if I people could play their favourite mp3 and having the plugin spitting out game sounds that would be mixed on top of the main mp3 by rockbox engine |
| 03:03:23 | Pierluigi | *it would be cool if people* |
| 03:04:00 | Pierluigi | so... on sim everything fancy and cool but then on hardware....it's a different story :) |
| 03:04:25 | Pierluigi | well that's what embedded dev is about afterall :) |
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| 03:05:54 | Pierluigi | ok enough said, I'll go have a look at gerrit info (never used it before) and have xrick checked it tonight/tomorrow |
| 03:06:21 | Pierluigi | thx guys |
| 03:06:27 | [Franklin] | thank you |
| 03:06:33 | * | [Franklin] has to go |
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| 03:11:36 | joshuasm32 | Hello |
| 03:11:40 | joshuasm32 | Can I get some help? |
| 03:11:50 | joshuasm32 | I am new to Rockbox. |
| 03:11:59 | joshuasm32 | I would like to install it on an iPod Classic. |
| 03:12:05 | joshuasm32 | But I'm having some problems... |
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| 03:15:22 | joshuasm32 | Hello? |
| 03:15:27 | joshuasm32 | Anyone home? |
| 03:15:38 | joshuasm32 | :-/ |
| 03:16:19 | joshuasm32 | Aw... |
| 03:16:30 | joshuasm32 | Looks to me like this is a dead IRC. |
| 03:16:34 | joshuasm32 | Shame. |
| 03:16:42 | joshuasm32 | I'll have to use the forum. |
| 03:17:06 | Catelite` | >_> |
| 03:17:09 | joshuasm32 | Hey |
| 03:17:11 | Catelite` | >no answer in 20 minutes |
| 03:17:16 | Catelite` | >dead IRC |
| 03:17:19 | joshuasm32 | Can you help? |
| 03:17:20 | Catelite` | >117 users |
| 03:17:32 | joshuasm32 | Ok. |
| 03:17:34 | Catelite` | just describe your problem |
| 03:17:42 | joshuasm32 | I'm trying to install Rockbox on an iPod classi c |
| 03:17:44 | Catelite` | someone who understands might roll back and read it and respond, however latent |
| 03:17:49 | joshuasm32 | I reformatted it |
| 03:18:06 | joshuasm32 | Then used the rockbox utility (on ubuntu) with sudo |
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| 03:19:08 | joshuasm32 | I installed it (with all themes) |
| 03:19:12 | joshuasm32 | And hard reset the iPod |
| 03:19:16 | joshuasm32 | but nothing happened |
| 03:19:21 | joshuasm32 | I tried this several times |
| 03:19:26 | joshuasm32 | even without reformatting it |
| 03:19:36 | joshuasm32 | and it won't boot into anything but the apple os |
| 03:19:42 | joshuasm32 | I selected the right mount point |
| 03:19:45 | joshuasm32 | any solutions? |
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| 03:26:42 | Catelite` | no idea |
| 03:26:45 | Catelite` | maybe someone else will |
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| 03:28:37 | joshuasm32 | What should happen? |
| 03:28:52 | joshuasm32 | When I install it? |
| 03:28:57 | joshuasm32 | On boot? |
| 03:29:26 | Catelite` | I would naturally assume that rockbox boots up |
| 03:29:43 | Catelite` | it dual-boots on mine, but I have no idea if that is the standard |
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| 03:31:21 | joshuasm32 | Wow |
| 03:31:24 | joshuasm32 | That's awesome. |
| 03:31:33 | joshuasm32 | You have an iPod classic? |
| 03:31:37 | joshuasm32 | With it working? |
| 03:31:41 | Catelite` | No, a random other machine |
| 03:31:44 | joshuasm32 | I was worried, because it is "experimental" |
| 03:32:11 | Catelite` | A sansa zip clip |
| 03:32:17 | joshuasm32 | Oh nice |
| 03:32:25 | joshuasm32 | Anyone else? |
| 03:32:26 | joshuasm32 | :/ |
| 03:32:33 | Catelite` | well, it's like I just said |
| 03:32:42 | Catelite` | if anyone's going to answer, it's not going to be because you summoned them |
| 03:32:48 | Catelite` | it's just like a forum, wait for someone to answer |
| 03:32:58 | joshuasm32 | right... |
| 03:33:03 | joshuasm32 | idk just slow here :)\ |
| 03:33:12 | Catelite` | well, if it went 'fast' |
| 03:33:16 | Catelite` | you'd never get a word in edgewise |
| 03:33:26 | Catelite` | this is arguably better, the chances of someone reading your complaints are incredibly high |
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| 03:40:10 | [Saint] | What do you mean by "iPod Classic" |
| 03:40:42 | joshuasm32 | iPod Classic, 6G |
| 03:40:45 | [Saint] | Are you are, that, if you mean the 6th or 7th generation, that Rockbox Utility cannot install the bootloader, and clearly states this if you try. |
| 03:40:46 | joshuasm32 | Last model made |
| 03:40:50 | joshuasm32 | It was discontinued |
| 03:40:57 | [Saint] | see above. |
| 03:41:22 | [Saint] | Rockbox Utility cannot and will not install the bootloader required for Rockbox to function. |
| 03:41:35 | [Saint] | That is an entirely unrelated and unsupported product. |
| 03:41:46 | [Saint] | Handled by the Freemyipod team, called emCORE. |
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| 03:42:13 | joshuasm32 | Really? |
| 03:42:19 | joshuasm32 | I thought it was a dev version! |
| 03:42:28 | [Saint] | No. I justmade it up. 0_o |
| 03:42:35 | joshuasm32 | So... Rockbox can and will not go on my iPod? |
| 03:43:06 | [Saint] | Rockbox can be installed on the device. Yes. But we don't have any part in the bootloader required to run it. |
| 03:43:17 | [Saint] | That is an entirely separate project. |
| 03:43:35 | [Saint] | see: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE |
| 03:43:53 | joshuasm32 | Thank you |
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| 03:44:26 | [Saint] | Rockbox Utility can update a Rockbox installation, and install the Rockbox binary, but only because no special permissions are required to do so. |
| 03:44:44 | [Saint] | All "installing Rockbox" is doing here is extracting an archive to the root of the device. |
| 03:45:16 | [Saint] | Its the bootloader that is actually key to functionality, and that part Rockbox Utilty cannot handle. Neither installation nor removal. |
| 03:45:23 | joshuasm32 | "Fastboot was an emCORE application that was used to launch Rockbox or OF instantly when the iPod turns on. It is now discontinued, and its functionality is moved to the Boot menu." |
| 03:45:29 | joshuasm32 | Does this still work? |
| 03:45:46 | [Saint] | see: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation |
| 03:46:37 | [Saint] | The relevant channel for support with said product is #freemyipod-support |
| 03:46:55 | [Saint] | Support for emCORE or its installation isn't handled at all by Rockbox. |
| 03:46:58 | joshuasm32 | Thank you so much! |
| 03:47:20 | [Saint] | Myself and several other from this channel reside there also. |
| 03:47:25 | [Saint] | *others |
| 03:48:04 | joshuasm32 | I already extracted Rockbox... Do I need to remove it and start over? |
| 03:48:06 | [Saint] | If at all possible, avoid the Windows installation methods like the plague. I'll offer that much advice here. |
| 03:48:14 | joshuasm32 | I'm using Linux. :) |
| 03:48:24 | [Saint] | No. You do not. Installation will format the entire storage. |
| 03:48:31 | joshuasm32 | Ok. |
| 03:48:32 | joshuasm32 | Good. |
| 03:48:34 | [Saint] | So, remember to backup any content you don't want to lose. |
| 03:48:43 | joshuasm32 | Already done. :) |
| 03:48:56 | joshuasm32 | I believe Rockbox is open-sourced... Is this true? |
| 03:49:11 | joshuasm32 | If so, is it a Linux fork of some kind? |
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| 03:49:18 | [Saint] | If you have any more specific queries of issues with installation of emCORE< I can handle them at #freemyipod-support |
| 03:49:26 | [Saint] | And, yes. It is. |
| 03:49:29 | joshuasm32 | alright |
| 03:49:38 | [Saint] | http://git.rockbox.org/ |
| 03:49:43 | joshuasm32 | :D |
| 03:49:45 | joshuasm32 | Nice |
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| 04:29:21 | ikeboy | Is there a simple way to disable font glyph caches in Rockbox? I mean by a small code change |
| 04:30:10 | ikeboy | I think they're causing some problem, because when I delete the *font*.gc file, the problem goes away and returns after the .gc file has been regenerated. |
| 04:30:42 | [Saint] | What is "some problem"? |
| 04:30:53 | [Saint] | What's the actual issue you're seeing? |
| 04:33:30 | ikeboy | Textviewer runs too slow, as in it takes 10 seconds to move a line |
| 04:34:09 | ikeboy | Only on certain files that seem to have some strange (probably not in font) characters in them |
| 04:34:39 | [Saint] | Ahhh, possibly fighting to do glyph substitution. |
| 04:34:57 | ikeboy | So what could I do? |
| 04:35:46 | [Saint] | I'm not sure of that at all. |
| 04:36:08 | [Saint] | Sorry. I don't know a thing about the font subsystem except for where it attaches to the theme code. |
| 04:36:47 | ikeboy | Would disabling it slow it down even worse? |
| 04:40:09 | [Saint] | That iPod Classic user was an absolute pleasure todeal with. |
| 04:40:20 | [Saint] | God I wish they were all like that... |
| 04:50:00 | JdGordon | ikeboy: is it all fonts? |
| 04:51:28 | ikeboy | I haven't tried others. I just tried now commenting the font_path_to_glyph_path calls, which makes rendering slower but doesn't help the problem, so it may not be related |
| 04:52:15 | ikeboy | I'll try other fonts now. I was using the 12 adobe helvetica one |
| 04:57:24 | ikeboy | Trying a few others, it appears to only show up on that font |
| 04:57:48 | ikeboy | Any known peculiarities of 12 adobe helvetica? |
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| 05:14:28 | joshuasm32 | One other thing... |
| 05:14:35 | joshuasm32 | I'm trying to add Doom. :) |
| 05:14:48 | joshuasm32 | When I run it, it says it is missing its encoding engine. |
| 05:15:01 | joshuasm32 | I copied all of the files where they need to go... |
| 05:17:39 | joshuasm32 | Nevermind. |
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| 06:22:10 | yuriks | Hi |
| 06:22:38 | yuriks | does anyone know what's the status on this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/11108 Has there been any development on the required parts of the USB stack? |
| 06:34:42 | yuriks | I get an Internal Server Error every time I try to set a username, anyone knows what's up? |
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| 07:01:38 | [Saint] | 1 - no. |
| 07:01:48 | [Saint] | 2 - works for me, ne user registration went smoothly |
| 07:01:52 | [Saint] | *new |
| 07:02:11 | [Saint] | The progress you see in the task is all the progress that exists. |
| 07:03:31 | [Saint] | that was fr you, by the way, yuriks |
| 07:04:34 | yuriks | [Saint]: er, oops. I meant on Gerrit, just realized I hadn't mentioned that |
| 07:04:41 | yuriks | and thanks |
| 07:12:20 | [Saint] | TheSeven: what do you make of "ATA Error -2147483542: Press ON to Debug"? |
| 07:12:28 | [Saint] | ...failing disk? |
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| 07:12:50 | yuriks | I'd be interested in developing that, but as per the usual, I probably don't have time and don't have the slightest clue about USB stacks |
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| 08:53:39 | [Saint] | wodz: good timing, found some Rockbox time, just started the build now, its about 30s away from completion. Then testing. |
| 08:53:54 | wodz | [Saint]: cool |
| 08:54:01 | pixelma | [Saint]: Rockbox is a linux fork? |
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| 08:54:14 | [Saint] | g#842 - g#843, and g#844 |
| 08:54:24 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #842 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/842 : Revert "Change control handling to start expecting host packets before sending data... by Michael Sparmann |
| 08:54:24 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #843 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/843 : Fix cache coherency on ARM940T (and other ARMv4T cores). by Michael Sparmann |
| 08:54:25 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #844 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/844 : usb-designware: New USB driver for Synopsys DesignWare USB OTG core. by Michael Sparmann |
| 08:54:52 | [Saint] | pixelma: ...wha? |
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| 08:56:27 | pixelma | The joshua guy asked two questions (if Rockbox is free and if it is a linux fork of some kind) and your "yes, it is" can be understood as if both is true |
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| 08:57:03 | [Saint] | Ah, sorry, I didn't catch that bit. Was just referring to the source availability. |
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| 08:57:40 | pixelma | Not "free", "open-sourced" was his question |
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| 08:59:40 | [Saint] | Arrrrrgggghhhh. For fucks sake! |
| 08:59:47 | [Saint] | I fucking hate this patch series. |
| 08:59:50 | [Saint] | Its a cock. |
| 09:00 |
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| 09:00:15 | [Saint] | Build fails, fix error, build fails again, revert clean, ...conflict. |
| 09:00:22 | [Saint] | Fuck this shit man, honestly. |
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| 09:01:57 | [Saint] | Aaaaaand, no .rej file. |
| 09:02:00 | [Saint] | Fucking classic. |
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| 09:06:23 | [Saint] | Fucks sake. The patch series won't even apply on head anymore and I really cannot be fucked finding out why. |
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| 09:08:11 | wodz | [Saint]: you fuck too much, thats why |
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| 09:08:44 | [Saint] | 949 won't apply with its depend anymore. |
| 09:08:58 | [Saint] | And it gives me absolutely zero indication as to why. |
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| 09:10:38 | [Saint] | 843 and 843 apply no worries. 949 just dies, and I don't get a .rej file, nor a clear explanation as to why. |
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| 09:11:03 | [Saint] | "error: could not apply 30663c9... usb-designware: New USB driver for Synopsys DesignWare USB OTG core. |
| 09:11:03 | [Saint] | hint: after resolving the conflicts, mark the corrected paths" |
| 09:11:07 | [Saint] | ...descriptive. |
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| 09:11:14 | [Saint] | That really helps me, like, a lot. |
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| 09:16:11 | [Saint] | Ohhhhh. Crap. |
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| 09:17:21 | wodz | [Saint]: hehe, my friend used to say : " easy stuff is for waiters" :-) |
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| 09:19:23 | [Saint] | Right. Finally figure that mess out. Take two. |
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| 09:24:21 | wodz | ahh, looks like I finally found out hw init part in atj firmware. |
| 09:28:06 | [Saint] | [ 9268.947010] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] 19537686 4096-byte logical blocks: (80.0 GB/74.5 GiB) |
| 09:28:06 | [Saint] | [ 9268.948380] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 09:28:06 | [Saint] | [ 9320.721538] sdc: detected capacity change from 80026361856 to 0 |
| 09:28:06 | [Saint] | [ 9323.718439] usb 1-5: USB disconnect, device number 5 |
| 09:28:06 | [Saint] | [ 9345.732094] usb 1-5: new high-speed USB device number 6 using ehci-pci |
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| 09:28:07 | [Saint] | [ 9360.844097] usb 1-5: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 09:28:11 | [Saint] | Oh dear. |
| 09:28:34 | [Saint] | No hard lock - but, no mount, either. |
| 09:28:52 | [Saint] | And that capacity change to 0 tweaks my interest. |
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| 09:29:48 | [Saint] | The difference between my case and TheSeven's seems to be my devices don't lock up on connect. |
| 09:30:24 | [Saint] | Just so we're clear, this is with g#842, g#843, and g#949 applied. |
| 09:30:31 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #842 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/842 : Revert "Change control handling to start expecting host packets before sending data... by Michael Sparmann |
| 09:30:31 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #843 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/843 : Fix cache coherency on ARM940T (and other ARMv4T cores). by Michael Sparmann |
| 09:30:32 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #949 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/949 : usb-designware: New USB driver for Synopsys DesignWare USB OTG core. by Michael Sparmann |
| 09:30:45 | wodz | n2g or classic? |
| 09:30:57 | [Saint] | Classic. Just trying N2g now. |
| 09:31:23 | wodz | I am not entirely sure you need #843 on classic but should not harm either |
| 09:32:04 | [Saint] | I do need it for n2g, though. |
| 09:32:09 | wodz | [Saint]: yes |
| 09:32:22 | [Saint] | Aha. n2g *does* hard lock. |
| 09:32:25 | [Saint] | Interesting. |
| 09:32:34 | [Saint] | Same capacity at 0 in dmesg. |
| 09:32:42 | wodz | [Saint]: wait, so the previous version (without timeouts) worked and this one doesn't? Thats insane |
| 09:33:01 | [Saint] | That's how it appears, yes. |
| 09:33:12 | wodz | same compiler? |
| 09:33:40 | [Saint] | I wonder whats triggering the reported capacity to change after connect... |
| 09:34:12 | [Saint] | Yes, same compiler, but the build system went trhough a rather radical round of updates in the past month or so. |
| 09:34:34 | [Saint] | So I can't in good confidence say the environment is identical. |
| 09:34:54 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:35:35 | [Saint] | Aha. Just got my Classic to lock up. |
| 09:35:42 | [Saint] | Though, its not a _hard_ lock. |
| 09:35:59 | [Saint] | The backlight thread appears to still be running, unlike n2G, which locked up hard. |
| 09:37:14 | [Saint] | Perhaps interestingly, the Classic is no longer responding to long play to shut down, which I had thought was hardware controoled. |
| 09:37:31 | [Saint] | I had to force a menu+select reboot. |
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| 09:38:13 | [Saint] | Nano2g behaved as it should when I went to reset it. Perhaps my play key on this Classic is slightly dodgy. |
| 09:42:04 | [Saint] | Hmmm...if I boot with USB plugged, dmesg never sees Rockbox at all. |
| 09:42:13 | [Saint] | It still thinks its the emCORE debugger. |
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| 09:44:52 | [Saint] | wodz: TheSeven: http://pastebin.com/bwHVTkhA |
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| 09:46:30 | [Saint] | And another, with more (and wildly different) detail: http://pastebin.com/WUQzTqnV |
| 09:53:24 | [Saint] | wodz: if you've any idea on what to try next - I'll be watching the logs |
| 09:53:49 | wodz | [Saint]: You can try to dump usb traffic with wireshark or so |
| 09:55:03 | [Saint] | So, my guess is its failing to mount because the reported capacity abruptly changes after a disconnect/reconnect? |
| 09:55:31 | [Saint] | I imagine its quite difficult to mount a disk that reports a capacity of 0 |
| 09:56:03 | [Saint] | also - will do, I'll have a poke. Been a while since I played with wireshark. |
| 09:57:30 | wodz | Anyone has an idea how to see raw rgb565 values as actual image? |
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| 10:03:47 | [Saint] | Just pack it with an .srf extension, I thought? |
| 10:05:31 | [Saint] | imagemagick can do it, but I can't seem to recall how. |
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| 10:13:15 | wodz | http://rawpixels.net/ did the trick |
| 10:18:03 | Ctcp | Ignored 18 channel CTCP requests in 27 minutes and 36 seconds at the last flood |
| 10:18:03 | * | [Saint] stops searching through his imagemagick snippets |
| 10:18:14 | [Saint] | Also - nice find. That's a cute service. |
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| 10:31:57 | kugel | wodz: you can load teh dump into gimp |
| 10:32:48 | wodz | kugel: I failed to find easily how to set rgb565 input format |
| 10:33:14 | yuriks | man, these USB specs are terrible |
| 10:33:25 | kugel | name the file *.data, and open with gimp. for this file extension gimp will show a dialog for you to set the format |
| 10:33:38 | yuriks | kugel: I'm not sure it support 565 with that |
| 10:34:25 | wodz | anyway the service I linked is pretty nice for my purpose |
| 10:34:58 | kugel | wodz: also in the file open dialog there is an expander in the bottom area, allowing you to override its guess. select data there and it'll show the same dialog |
| 10:35:31 | wodz | kugel: thanks for the hing |
| 10:35:34 | wodz | *hint |
| 10:35:51 | kugel | the website seems to support a lot more formats, though |
| 10:36:45 | yuriks | [Saint]: did the decryption reverse engineering efforts on the newer ipods ever get anywhere? |
| 10:40:10 | [Saint] | we have arbitrary execution on the nano4g, and, in theory, a nano3g port is mostly already written, as it is incredibly similar to known hardware in the tree in many ways and we have an active exploit for it (it was actually a guy drawing attention to the nano3g exploit possibility that lead to the Classic port, if I remember correctly...but its been a while). |
| 10:40:39 | [Saint] | can't talk to the storage on nano4g, though, so you're limited to poking around in RAM. |
| 10:41:11 | [Saint] | No one has tried to port to the nano3g to my knowledge, at all. |
| 10:41:21 | [Saint] | That device was hilariously unpopular. |
| 10:41:28 | yuriks | sounds like good progress anyway. It's been years since I had last checked. I made my life happier by just buying a clip :P |
| 10:42:04 | yuriks | [Saint]: hey, I had one :P |
| 10:42:17 | [Saint] | As for the nano5g, no. But, some of the iPhone/iPod Touch tethered exploits might bear fruit. |
| 10:42:30 | wodz | [Saint]: AFAIK n3g FTL is the blocker |
| 10:42:41 | [Saint] | Aha, thanks. |
| 10:44:26 | [Saint] | Oh. I told a lie. |
| 10:45:01 | [Saint] | user890104 has done some work porting emCORE to the 1st gen (untethered jailbreakable) iPod Touch. |
| 10:45:49 | [Saint] | One could, in theory, compile Rockbox to run on the jailbroken iPod/iPod Touches. |
| 10:46:26 | yuriks | would probably be more productive to improve the android version and port it to iOS |
| 10:46:37 | [Saint] | Likely with fairly minimal changes to the codebase, too. |
| 10:46:55 | [Saint] | I...huh? |
| 10:47:26 | yuriks | hm? |
| 10:47:50 | [Saint] | Sorry, if it wasn't clear, I mean "as an application", not as an OS replacement. |
| 10:47:57 | [Saint] | That's a whole other ballgame. |
| 10:48:09 | yuriks | ah, yeah, then that's also what I'm talking about |
| 10:48:17 | yuriks | I thought you were saying as an OS replacement :) |
| 10:48:38 | [Saint] | Like we already do on Android. But, it wouldn;t be porting Android version to iOS, it would be a distinct original creation. |
| 10:49:13 | yuriks | well, wouldn't you share most of the app code? |
| 10:49:50 | yuriks | the transition from embedded hardware with buttons to multitasking OS with a touchscreen only needs to be done once, was my point |
| 10:51:00 | [Saint] | It would, yes, but that would also enable one to say that a new Rockbox device port would be a port of the Android version. Or vice versa. |
| 10:51:33 | wodz | Is anyone seriously consider iOS as a platform considering their licensing terms? |
| 10:51:54 | wodz | whats the point of free software on completely locked down platform? |
| 10:51:54 | yuriks | wodz: where there's hardware, there'll be someone wanting to run code on it :) |
| 10:51:58 | [Saint] | No one would consider pushing it to the app store. |
| 10:52:00 | [Saint] | fuck that. |
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| 10:52:09 | [Saint] | Cydia. |
| 10:52:24 | yuriks | [Saint]: I guess what I said would make more sense if Android was the only app target, which it isn't anymore... |
| 10:52:48 | [Saint] | Nor was it the first. |
| 10:53:23 | [Saint] | We had an SDL app for an age before the other hosted ports. |
| 10:55:03 | yuriks | indeed |
| 10:55:37 | yuriks | well, I'll sleep. Maybe I'll continue reading USB specs and exploring the rockbox code some other day, maybe not |
| 10:56:05 | wodz | anyway rockboxlib is the way to go BUT 1) kugel has no time to finish 2) noone stepped up to be workhorse of this development |
| 10:57:38 | [Saint] | I tried wrapping a very basic native UI around warble on Android but didn't get very far. |
| 10:58:10 | [Saint] | In fact I got so not far I think that's the first time I ever mentioned it. |
| 10:58:28 | gevaerts | *ages*? |
| 10:58:53 | [Saint] | For varying definitions thereof, yes. |
| 10:59:01 | gevaerts | I don't remember the exact sequence, but the sdl app and the android app were within a few weeks of each other |
| 10:59:28 | [Saint] | I thought it was more a factor of months? |
| 10:59:30 | [Saint] | Hmmm. |
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| 11:00:41 | [Saint] | There is of course the high possibility I'm misremembering the timeframe, but I'm fairly confident the SDL app was the first of the two. |
| 11:02:08 | gevaerts | 31b5c471 Tue Jul 6 15:11:56 2010 +0000 Rockbox as an application: Add an 320x240 SDL application target. |
| 11:02:11 | gevaerts | 240923a8 Mon Aug 2 20:34:47 2010 +0000 Rockbox as an application: Commit current Android port progress |
| 11:02:24 | gevaerts | Of course neither of them was fully finished at those times |
| 11:02:32 | gevaerts | Still, four weeks is hardly ages |
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| 11:07:56 | hannes3 | hey, i just saw "2014-09-28: Improved battery life on the Clip v2, Clip+, Clip Zip and Fuze v2" at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MajorChanges |
| 11:08:05 | hannes3 | where i can find some more info, ilke benchmarks? |
| 11:12:31 | TheSeven | [Saint]: that was 2g, not 1g |
| 11:13:30 | [Saint] | Sorry, yeah, I was needlessly vague. I meant the 1st generation 2G IPT. |
| 11:13:47 | [Saint] | Which are more permissive. |
| 11:14:51 | [Saint] | hannes3: no benchmarks, just a measured reduction of several mA combined. |
| 11:15:02 | hannes3 | ah nice |
| 11:15:30 | [Saint] | g#988 and g#989 |
| 11:15:35 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #988 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/988 : Make sure the USB PHY is disabled after use. Patch by Mihail Zenkov who has by Mihail Zenkov |
| 11:15:35 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #989 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/989 : Don't enable the current sink for the Clip Zip backlight until its actually needed. by Mihail Zenkov |
| 11:16:14 | hannes3 | time to update then :) |
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| 11:17:52 | [Saint] | see: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,48549 |
| 11:17:55 | [Saint] | hannes3: ^ |
| 11:21:01 | hannes3 | impressive |
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| 11:42:56 | wodz | huh, init sequence in atj binary is vastly different to this found in object file of LCM driver. Now select one :{ |
| 11:59:23 | [Saint] | Ugh. |
| 11:59:59 | [Saint] | Having a discussion with someone about how LibreSSL is the future and not at all a demonstarbly insane kneejerk reaction |
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| 12:00:10 | [Saint] | Argh. WHoops, wrong channel. |
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| 12:05:08 | wodz | hmm, maybe not |
| 12:05:20 | wodz | or there are a few different sequences |
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| 13:35:50 | mg_ | Hello! I have a sd clip with rockbox on it, and my laptop sound output has died (the 3.5mm jack is physically broken). Is there any way to use the clip as a USB dac? Either with rockbox or something else? |
| 13:36:01 | mg_ | Or if this is not implemented, is it technically possible? |
| 13:37:24 | gevaerts | It's technically possible, and there's an old proof-of-concept implementation for e200v1, but it's going to be quite a bit of work to (a) update that proof of concept, and (b) make it work on the USB controller in the clip |
| 13:38:49 | mg_ | gevaerts: e200v1 is another sansa device? |
| 13:39:01 | gevaerts | It is, but it's based on a different chipset |
| 13:39:05 | mg_ | (sorry for the stupid questions, but I'm totally new to the project) |
| 13:39:09 | mg_ | I see |
| 13:39:36 | mg_ | gevaerts: so is it a stand alone firmware or a plugin to rockbox or something like that? |
| 13:42:04 | mg_ | gevaerts: and can you point me to the code? I might be interested at having a go at this as a project (: |
| 13:44:13 | gevaerts | pamaury/rockbox/tree/usb-api">https://github.com/pamaury/rockbox/tree/usb-api has the code |
| 13:44:41 | gevaerts | It's plain rockbox except the USB code has been reworked to add audio |
| 13:45:26 | gevaerts | pamaury might still remember bits :) |
| 13:45:48 | pamaury | usb audio ? |
| 13:46:49 | gevaerts | Yes :) |
| 13:46:52 | pamaury | the tree is quite outdate the most of the code is straightforward, the tricky part is to make isochronous transfer work |
| 13:47:13 | pamaury | this tree also rework the usb api, not sure if that's really necessary on second thought |
| 13:47:29 | pamaury | but isochronous transfer cannot really be handled the same as bulk and interrupt though |
| 13:48:32 | mg_ | so rockbox has no support for isochronous USB atm |
| 13:48:55 | pamaury | no |
| 13:49:31 | mg_ | And what is needed for something to work as a USB DAC? I presume you have to adhere to some spec? |
| 13:49:38 | pamaury | if ypu want to implement it, the main issue you'll probably face is that controllers probably handle it in very different ways, and some don't handle them at all |
| 13:49:50 | pamaury | yes, USB Audio class |
| 13:49:58 | pamaury | there are two versions, the code on github works for v1 |
| 13:50:04 | pamaury | pamaury/rockbox/blob/usb-api/firmware/usbstack/usb_audio.c">https://github.com/pamaury/rockbox/blob/usb-api/firmware/usbstack/usb_audio.c |
| 13:50:31 | mg_ | pamaury: you mean the usb controller on the device? |
| 13:50:37 | pamaury | yes |
| 13:51:25 | pamaury | the crucial thing to keep in mind is that at High Speed, there are 10 micro-transfers per frame, that's over 1000 iso transfers/second, you cannot realistically fire an interrupt each time |
| 13:51:50 | mg_ | I see |
| 13:52:14 | pamaury | so on the ARC controller (the one used by e200v1, fuze+, and many others), each interrupt might need to process several packets, and similarly you need to setup transfers for several packets at once and not just one |
| 13:53:09 | mg_ | I think I have to use some time to familiarize my self with the project structure and hardware! |
| 13:53:59 | mg_ | But thanks for your input, I'll see what I can figure out and ping you with questions :p |
| 13:55:29 | pamaury | yeah don't hesitate, I think USB DAC for rockbox would be great, it's just a shame a never took time to merge this |
| 13:56:45 | mg_ | Yeah, it seems like it could be a cool feature |
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| 14:04:28 | wodz | pamaury: any ETA for e100? |
| 14:04:47 | pamaury | I would say end of the week, not before :( |
| 14:05:16 | pamaury | since I'm buying from someone, it depends on how he needs to process the check and send me the device |
| 14:05:21 | pamaury | *how long |
| 14:05:45 | copper | checks can take stupidly long to clear |
| 14:06:30 | copper | with enough time to go around the world a couple of times |
| 14:06:55 | wodz | pamaury: I made interesting discovery today about OF. I think I found out the place where lcm is initialized. Maybe I get lcd working then which will increase on-device debugging capabilities. |
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| 14:07:17 | pamaury | good news :) |
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| 18:06:52 | mg_ | Is the git hosting down? http://pastebin.com/xauY3nS2 |
| 18:10:41 | mg_ | and is there some guide to the general structure of the project/code somewhere? |
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| 18:37:35 | foolsh | Apparently there is some silliness going on use "git clone http://gerrit.rockbox.org/p/rockbox" |
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| 21:16:24 | ivanf | Anyone use their clip+ with ext cs card to play in the car? |
| 21:16:37 | ivanf | For some reason my ext sd card files do not show up |
| 21:16:56 | copper | ext cs? |
| 21:17:01 | gevaerts | You mean the car thing doesn't see it, or rockbox doesn't? |
| 21:17:34 | ivanf | sd card* sorry |
| 21:17:41 | ivanf | car. |
| 21:17:53 | copper | how is the car relevent? |
| 21:17:57 | ivanf | I can play whats in on the clip+ but not the in the sd car |
| 21:18:00 | gevaerts | Right. That's a fairly common issue |
| 21:18:02 | copper | relevant* |
| 21:18:06 | ivanf | Oh I see |
| 21:18:11 | copper | sd car? |
| 21:18:25 | gevaerts | Many car systems seem not to handle USB devices with more than one "disk" |
| 21:18:41 | copper | is he actually talking about automobiles? |
| 21:18:44 | gevaerts | There's a setting in rockbox to work around this. Let me find out where it is |
| 21:18:45 | ivanf | Oh that sucks. Because it's 50/50 for me. |
| 21:19:00 | ivanf | 50% I listen in the car the other 50% via iem |
| 21:19:06 | ivanf | Thank you gevaerts |
| 21:19:19 | copper | how do you play music in your car? |
| 21:19:35 | ivanf | Using the USB cable connected to the clip+ |
| 21:19:47 | gevaerts | ivanf: Settings->General Settings->System->USB Hide Internal Drive |
| 21:20:12 | ivanf | oh |
| 21:20:21 | gevaerts | If you enable that, you won't be able to access the internal storage over USB, so remember to disable it again when connecting to a normal computer |
| 21:20:25 | ivanf | But both cannot be used at once? |
| 21:20:32 | ivanf | I see |
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| 21:20:59 | copper | gevaerts: would be great to enable it on the fly with a keypress combination while plugging it in |
| 21:21:47 | copper | erm that's already used for disabling USB mounting |
| 21:22:07 | gevaerts | ivanf: there's not much else we can do. Those systems only see one device... |
| 21:22:09 | copper | shortcut maybe? |
| 21:22:29 | ivanf | gevaerts thank you anyway. |
| 21:22:52 | ivanf | I mean I am getting a 64gb sd card for the clip+.. guess this will be a bit annoying |
| 21:23:24 | gevaerts | With a 64GB card, the internal storage starts becoming small enough to ignore :) |
| 21:23:35 | ivanf | yeah |
| 21:25:06 | gevaerts | copper: the problem with buttons when plugging in is that there aren't any buttons that are guaranteed to be harmless apart from the menu one (and even that is a bit annoying)... |
| 21:25:31 | gevaerts | But yes, a shortcut might work, or you could put that setting on the quickscreen |
| 21:26:05 | ivanf | Thank you |
| 21:27:55 | gevaerts | We could conceivably fake one big disk with several partitions (although that's going to be tricky to get right in all cases), but I bet those things won't handle multiple partitions anyway... |
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| 22:31:04 | Pierluigi | hello people |
| 22:32:02 | Pierluigi | is there anyone out there with a good knowledge of pluginlib actions? |
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| 22:49:00 | wodz | Pierluigi: Ask specific question if you have one |
| 22:58:11 | Pierluigi | ok, so here is the thing: just tried to use PLA with no luck |
| 22:58:35 | Pierluigi | had a look at other plugins and used this line: |
| 22:58:50 | Pierluigi | "currentKey = pluginlib_getaction(TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK, plugin_contexts, ARRAYLEN(plugin_contexts));" |
| 22:59:16 | Pierluigi | it looks like "currentKey" is always 0 |
| 22:59:43 | Pierluigi | tried to debug it on SIM and If I press like crazy sometimes I get values other than 0 |
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| 23:00:01 | Pierluigi | and then I got suspicious: doom and pacman don't use it... |
| 23:00:31 | Pierluigi | I wonder if it's because of what the intended usage of that function is |
| 23:01:05 | Pierluigi | maybe it can be used only on plugins with non intensive cpu usage? |
| 23:01:38 | Pierluigi | so first of all, what is its intended usage? |
| 23:03:04 | Pierluigi | considering that I have a very busy main loop that cannot be delayed much (due to both graphics and sound mixing happening), can PLA cope with that? |
| 23:03:22 | wodz | I'd expect it to make sense to block waiting for some key event |
| 23:03:25 | wodz | grr |
| 23:03:49 | Pierluigi | basically I cannot block for too long and wait for event press |
| 23:04:09 | Pierluigi | otherwise sound would stutter (depending on specific target) |
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| 23:04:59 | wodz | how did you handled input before? |
| 23:05:24 | Pierluigi | so I was using pluginlib_getaction() basically as a button_status() |
| 23:05:31 | Pierluigi | via button_status() |
| 23:05:54 | Pierluigi | and checking for a button change only when I could |
| 23:06:54 | Pierluigi | also, it looks like pluginlib_getaction() does a lot of things which could slow my engine down and I don't necessarily need |
| 23:07:48 | Pierluigi | but for now just focusing on its usage anyway |
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| 23:08:02 | wodz | ok, use button_status() then |
| 23:08:27 | Pierluigi | sure, but then specific keymaps will have to be added for each target |
| 23:08:35 | wodz | its just that defining keymaps is really a pain |
| 23:08:44 | Pierluigi | I know and I totally understand it |
| 23:08:59 | Pierluigi | I'm happy to change code to use PLA, but I can't really figure how |
| 23:09:52 | Pierluigi | and just wanted to double check I didn't miss anything obvious |
| 23:10:21 | Pierluigi | and to be fair... I think some specific keymaps will have to be added regardless |
| 23:11:31 | Pierluigi | because for example IriverH320 has no diagonals and I have to map both arrows and some buttons to game actions in order to let people move diagonally |
| 23:12:37 | Pierluigi | I mean 2 buttons doing the same thing so I can detect two keypress at once and still allow people to play naturally |
| 23:12:56 | Pierluigi | anyway, any advice on this PLA issue? |
| 23:13:35 | wodz | sorry to say but I am not expert in this area |
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| 23:58:09 | yuriks | mg_: what a coincidence, I also came here yesterday asking the same thing :) |
| 23:58:29 | yuriks | pamaury: so do you think it' better to start from your branch or try to start from scratch off the current master? |
| 23:58:53 | pamaury | yuriks: probably better to start from scratch |
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