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#rockbox log for 2014-11-11

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00:05:49[Franklin]foolsh: your diagonal code complicates this :(
00:06:56foolshcan't not have it, then he can't jump :)
00:07:07[Franklin]foolsh: lol
00:08:15foolshYeah, I started adding diagonals to rockboy and saw first hand the difficulties
00:08:35[Franklin]foolsh: it's not hard
00:08:39[Franklin]it just complicates things a bit
00:09:16[Franklin]foolsh: I'll try to do it myself, but I'll probably screw up somewhere
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00:23:11[Franklin]foolsh: I got the rotation working
00:23:18[Franklin](haven't tested fuze *yet*)
00:25:38foolsh[Franklin]: don't worry, I'll work any bugs if I find them
00:25:46foolshwork out*
00:25:50[Franklin]ok then
00:25:56[Franklin]&pushing untested code*
00:26:41foolshI'll work on adding the keymaps then tonight and tomorrow then
00:27:15[Franklin]foolsh: check the fuze+ diagonals, definitely though
00:27:24[Franklin]I almost certainly screwed up somewhere :)
00:27:31foolshthats fine
00:28:00[Franklin]foolsh: also, consider moving the keymaps to a different file
00:28:11[Franklin]and make it obvious they're keymaps
00:28:15[Franklin]so no "mapping.h" :)
00:28:45foolshsure thing, alright sounds fine
00:29:00*[Franklin] needs to get save/load working
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00:36:46[Franklin]foolsh: I can't test it in the sim, either, because pressing HOME won't go to the menu
00:38:44jlnit read my card...
00:39:01[Franklin]jln: ???
00:39:21jlnmy sd 16gb card wont works with zen
00:39:33[Franklin]jln: rockbox?
00:39:42[Franklin]and format?
00:40:07jlnno. sd card say init failed -2
00:40:25jlnso... i just put break ;> then return -2 in init loop...
00:40:28jlnand it works.
00:40:44[Franklin]foolsh: any way I can change sim button mappings?
00:41:05foolshhang on
00:41:13jlnit is not solution. but... card respond 1AA, but then fail. even pamaury say it has no sense...
00:41:45jlnwe fix it later as it should be with pamaury. if he care.
00:41:52foolshI think let me make sure
00:42:11[Franklin]foolsh: that's not keymaps
00:42:13foolshno thts not it
00:43:33foolshin ./uisimulator/buttonmap/
00:49:40[Franklin]ok building...
00:50:00foolshno num pad?
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00:50:32[Franklin]foolsh: home isn't going through
00:50:36[Franklin]linux maybe?
00:51:08foolshhmm it works here
00:51:50foolshworks on target to so I have no idea what could cause it
00:51:54[Franklin]hmm??? it isn't working
00:52:01[Franklin]I set it to escape
00:53:11[Franklin]ok sorry gotta run
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00:58:28foolshjln: I wonder if a time out for SD card and then jump to break ;> then return -2 in init loop, would be a good solution
00:58:49foolshpamaury will be around in the morning anyways
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02:22:09jlntime fix nothing. i try 5s timeout, it returns -2 after 5s, when plug out card it returns -100
02:23:59jlni do some other fixes. gameboy ;) (framedrop automation is broken for zen anyway), zx (some keybindings from menu, select on shortcut button), pacman rotated keys ;) ... if anyone care i may diff it.
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02:34:12[Franklin]foolsh: sorry about dropping out like that
02:36:16[Franklin]anyway, I can't seem to get saving to work
02:37:15[Franklin]seems like yet another issue with the File class :(
02:38:07[Franklin](and no, I turned off gzip)
02:39:03[Franklin]argh... never mind
02:39:09[Franklin]it was lack of O_CREAT flag
02:39:22[Franklin]ok that's good, saving works
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02:43:39[Franklin]ok yay! loading now works!
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02:48:50[Franklin]foolsh: I think the uncompress saves ought to be distingushed from the compressed ones
02:49:09[Franklin]yeah, how about "BBFW" as the signature, eh? :D
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02:52:47[Franklin]though it'll be WFBB on little-endian targets
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03:24:57foolsh[Franklin]: good news then :)
03:25:06[Franklin]foolsh: yes, indeed
03:25:12[Franklin]pushed too
03:25:13[Franklin]I think
03:26:11[Franklin]foolsh: but the game needs a main menu
03:28:34foolshyeah it won't hurt
03:29:06[Franklin]its hard to make load/save a smooth process without one
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10:00:37pamauryjln: ping
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11:08:10jlnpamaury: pong
11:08:43pamaurydid you get anywhere with sd ?
11:08:49jlnit works
11:09:07pamaurywhat did you change ?
11:09:19jlni finaly ignore then return -2 (break)
11:09:43jlnand it works. so the answer from card is read as busy when it is not busy
11:10:06pamaurythat card is just broken
11:10:19jlnweird? but it was more weird when it answer 1AA, then not answer...
11:10:42pamaurywhat do you mean does not answer ?
11:11:02[Saint]that's fairly up there on the sd weird-shit-o-meter.
11:11:04jlni mean answer busy
11:11:31jlnanyway. i leav it for me. ;) (break)
11:11:42jlni do some other fixes. gameboy ;) (framedrop automation is broken for zen anyway), zx (some keybindings from menu, select on shortcut button), pacman rotated keys ;) ... if anyone care i may diff it.
11:11:46pamauryit should answer 0x1AA to SD_SEND_IF_COND, that's normal, then the MSB of the answer to SD_APP_OP_COND indicates busy status
11:12:42jlnif that problem ocure somewhere else, we may chech/read what the card is answering
11:12:52jlnthen it will be clear.
11:13:10pamauryI'd be interesting in a readout of the card answers yes, I'll send you a patch to do that
11:13:33jlni do it myself
11:13:52jlnor tell me what to paste to
11:14:06jlnpanicf(...) the simplest way
11:14:49pamauryno panic is not okay, I'd like the full log, using logf
11:15:50jlnwill check this in few moments.
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11:18:02pamaurysomething like this
11:18:14pamauryyou need to enable logf in configure
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11:36:00jlnso my card SDMMC_INFO(drive).ocr is : 16744448 ( while(!(SDMMC_INFO(drive).ocr & (1<<31))); this one never finish the loop )
11:37:57jlnwhat should (?) bit 31 indicate? (or i m not sure how it is working here...?)
11:38:39jlnSDMMC_INFO(drive).ocr binary 0b10110011101000100010001001000
11:39:16jlnSDMMC_INFO(drive).ocr binary 0b00010110011101000100010001001000
11:40:25pamaurywhat I'd like to get is the full log, for example to see how many times the command is sent
11:41:50jlnsend full zip and tell what to do (will log be on device to get via usb/massstorage?)
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12:14:15jlnit is something even more... it works after power up with card. but when card removed during device is up, it say -100 or -3 ... ??
12:17:28jlnother card sometimes fail too (-3) - and it was first time i try rb too. panic after plug cards. You have same problems sometimes? or it just my device?
12:18:33pamaurypanic after plug might happen if you push the card too slowly or insert it incompletely
12:18:47pamaurybut error -3 no that's very unusual
12:18:50jlnhm... i plug rather normaly
12:19:07jlnmaybe some aditional delay after card detect before init it may be fine
12:19:31jlnyou wish try my -2 (full log?) or it not much important for You ?
12:19:56jlni also find something weird...
12:20:12jlnsometimes when (sd ??) file was played... it get works pretty slow
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12:20:58pamauryI don't have the time right now to send you the zip but I will do later
12:21:12jlnthat keys sometimes was read and sometimes not. and after (not easy) click pause - it back to normality. it is known? it ocurs ocasionaly (i belive) but i not tested/use it much yet
12:21:21pamaurymaybe I should increase the delay between insertion detection and probing, but that's already 250ms I think
12:21:54jlnmaybe power of power on is not nesesayr?
12:22:35pamauryit's more a mechanical problem, if the card is still moving, when starting init, it will probably fail
12:22:57pamauryI should probably get rid of this panic too and have the OS retry init several times
12:23:07jlnwe dont know it say 1AA then. if it not read 1AA on first cmd it just get card as not v2?
12:23:33jlnit might not panic
12:23:36jlnjust retry
12:24:02jlnand i get lots of wsod on boot
12:24:34pamaurysays 0x1AA is 0x100 (means 2.7-3.6V range) and says is check pattern
12:24:42pamaurythe device responds with the same check pattern as the host sends
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12:25:41jlnhmmm... anyway. it is something to be sorted around sd here
12:25:50jlnand bott up hangs up?
12:26:50jlnsomeones say here the "firmware format" will not hangup ... but i can put files on rockbox filesystem creative made?? or it has not sense at all. will change nothing.
12:27:28jln1415626228 <mpmc> Without me formatting the zen using the recovery tool it would not get out of the WSOD
12:30:52pamauryjln: you are saying too many things at the same time, I cannot follow. One problem/question at a time is enough :)
12:32:32[Saint]are you using a translator?
12:32:44[Saint]Your English is largely nonsensical.
12:35:49jlnno. my english is polish. ;)
12:36:31jlnmaybe translator may works sometimes better. but.
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12:40:05pamauryjln: could you please list the problems you encountered (maybe post it on pastebon) with details, like 1) SD: my card doesn't work blablabla 2) Keys: under this circumstance, keys are not detected, and so on
12:40:06jlnpamaury: just asking about hangs on boot. (~once a 4 times) it is not filesystem problem for sure? You know it or it just my device?
12:40:24jlnok ok :)
12:40:25pamauryyou get WSOD ?
12:40:47pamaurythat's a LCD problem, it's very random, some people suffer from it and some don't
12:41:03pamauryI have two ZEN and one ZEN X-Fi, it works nearly all the time
12:41:27jlnbut it hangs? it is no way to turn off by power button (not sure
12:41:39jlnor just lcd show white
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12:42:08pamauryyes I know, it's because of a hardware bug, the hardware locks up and the entire system freezes
12:42:32pamaurybasically the DMA unit crashes if you want the full details
12:42:43jlnmaybe... something is not pulled up and get random bit after power up?
12:43:03jlnanyway OF not hanging
12:43:42pamauryyeah I know but it would take a long time to explain the full details of why the OF does not hang and rockbox does
12:45:04jlnbut it is almost everything pretty fine now! :)
12:48:15jlnsorry for my english. i know it sucks.
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15:26:57[Franklin]ugh git...
15:27:14[Franklin]ok I just ran git pull (forgot −−rebase option)
15:27:18[Franklin]and then I made some commits
15:27:55[Franklin]now I want to push them, but I can't, because it's pushing all the commits I just pulled
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15:43:53dongswelcome to git
15:44:17dongshope english isn't your second language, because even if it isn't youll struggle to understand anything it does.
15:44:42[Franklin]dongs: lol?
15:46:08dongs[Franklin]: fetch ?? remote ?? push ?? rebase ?? cherrypick ?? track ?? all simple english words that completely change meaning when used with git.
15:46:31[Franklin]ok I got it pushed
15:46:40[Franklin]I needed to make a "clean" branch and cherry-pick the commit
15:46:55dongsi'm glad you got that figured out
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15:47:03dongsi'll crawl back into my ESL corner and stick to visual source safe
15:47:08dongsat least its something I can use and understand.
15:47:33dongsi'm not a berry farmer so i dont need to worry about cherry picking or pushing stuff.
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17:34:09perky_i have a problem with my ipod 6th gen - i have installed rockbox, from my PC, and all works fine. but as soon as i connect it to a mac, it crashes and dont show up
17:34:24perky_anyone who can point me in any direction
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17:50:08copperperky_: you need to install a patched build, like this one: or this one (latest dev build):
17:50:20copperfrom your PC
17:50:40perky_ahh oki. but i just installed a fresh rockbox... but i should still do that
17:50:43copperthen reboot the iPod, and you'll be able to connect it to a computer with OS X installed
17:51:01copperyes, those builds have bogus USB IDs
17:51:01perky_ok many thanks - i will try that
17:51:19perky_and how do i do that? it will maybe expain itself
17:51:42coppermount the iPod on your PC, unpack the .zip archive onto the root of the mountpoint
17:52:43copperwith the "normal" USB IDs, the iPod advertises itself to OS X as an iPod Classic, and that causes the problem you're seeing with OS X
17:53:09copperwith the patched build, OS X sees the iPod as a standard USB mass storage device (like a USB flash drive)
17:54:22perky_wow nice one
17:54:29perky_thanks alot - will try right away
17:56:20copperperky_: for future reference, you can download daily (patched) builds from there:
17:56:38copperand here's a permalink to the daily patched build:
17:56:58perky_ahh great - i will come back when i have tried to fix it on the pc - NOW
18:01:53perky_hmm now the mac says it is unrecognisable by the computer
18:03:52copperon your iPod, when you go in System → Rockbox Info, what does the Version line read?
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18:15:18perky_i tried both your links now. and both the same result. the version is440ff95M-140517
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18:18:54perky_copper - yea i guess that is the first linked one
18:19:25perky_anything i should set up in rockbox?
18:19:33perky_or it should just work?
18:19:36copperit should
18:19:39perky_weird man
18:20:18copperhand around in case someone has an idea
18:20:28perky_i will
18:21:23copperyou could try the other one in the mean time
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19:06:51perky_i did allready
19:06:53perky_tried both
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22:42:28[Saint]copper: that sounds like something else entirely
22:42:57[Saint]PID/VID shouldn't be able to take down an operating system.
22:44:18[Saint]One should also say that "it causes problems" on Macs, but, not the one he's seeing. At least, not solely.
22:44:39[Saint]It should just not work. That's all.
22:45:02[Franklin][Saint]: I can't get in contact with Chahi
22:45:22[Franklin]His email (at least the one on won't work
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22:45:59[Saint]Not my problem.
22:46:31[Franklin][Saint]: but since the plugin doesn't use any of his intellectual property, it should legally be OK
22:47:49[Franklin]not the best thing to do morally, though
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23:41:42[Franklin]hmm... the latest patch sets crash
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23:43:48zirra-afkHey guys.
23:44:07zirra-afkCan anyone recommend a good mp3 player that is rockboxable, either has good space or is upgradable, decent battery life and is still available?
23:44:21zirra-afki'd prefer s omething with a decent screen too, but I'm pretty sure your answer is going to be Sansa something. :)
23:45:42pamaurydepends on the size and the control, there is the Clip Zip (but USB is not working in RB very well, you need to use the OF), or the Fuze+ but many people don't like the touchpad. Both have microsd and decent battery life
23:46:59zirra-afkBoo. Having to reboot to copy stuff I'd rather not do.
23:47:21[Franklin]zirra-afk: available as in offically?
23:47:25[Franklin]or as in ebay?
23:47:37[Franklin]iPod classic is, IMHO, the best rockboxable player out there
23:47:47[Franklin]sansas are plasticky junk
23:48:23zirra-afk[Franklin]: Yeah, I had an ipod 80g that eventually died and they replaced it with a new 120gb.
23:48:36zirra-afkWhich made me sad. The only 80gigs I'm finding on ebay are like 400-600 dollars though.
23:48:56pamaurythere is the Zen X-Fi3 too, which is mark unusable but works great, except it's capacitive buttons are a bit weird
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23:49:04zirra-afkWeird how?
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23:49:43[Franklin]zirra-afk: they're capacitive
23:49:49[Franklin]as in touchpad-like
23:49:56foolshI have to say the fuze+ touchpad is a few notches above where it was six months ago, I still wish they were physical buttons though
23:50:07zirra-afkOh. Just weird as in capacitive, not weird as in weird for capacitive. Got it.
23:50:23[Franklin]zirra-afk: make sense? :)
23:50:31[Franklin]zirra-afk: do you want "real" butttons?
23:50:40zirra-afkI'd prefer them, yes.
23:50:40[Franklin]as in pushing?
23:50:47[Franklin]zirra-afk: probably classic
23:50:58[Franklin]you can get some good deals on ebay
23:51:25zirra-afkIt doesn't work on 6th gen, right? Only < 6?
23:51:33[Franklin]zirra-afk: it does!
23:51:36zirra-afkwait.. what?!
23:51:36[Franklin]and quite well
23:51:39[Franklin]zirra-afk: yep
23:51:48[Franklin](forget that it is classified as "unusable")
23:51:57[Franklin]that means nothing about stability or usability
23:52:00[Franklin]just the install process
23:52:03zirra-afkSo last I read, it was unusable because it had a battery life of ~2-4 hours
23:52:11zirra-afk(Well, was marked that way because of..)
23:52:19[Franklin]zirra-afk: oh no
23:52:27[Franklin]it has *wonderful* battery life now
23:52:30pamauryweird as in capacitive buttons, maybe we could configure them better but that would require knowledge I don't have at the moment. If you don't mind second hand players, the ZEN (X-Fi) are good players too. There is the Sony NWZ-E380 but the screen is pretty bad and it doesn't have hold button
23:52:34[Franklin]20 hrs?
23:52:38zirra-afk20 hours isn't bad at all!
23:52:55zirra-afkI'm going to go grab my ipod from my car and verify that it is in fact a 6th gen.
23:52:55[Franklin]zirra-afk: and there's some patches on Gerrit that look really promising
23:53:17zirra-afkBack in 20ish. If it takes me longer, it may be because I'm crying that its not a 6th gen like I thought. :)
23:53:29[Franklin]zirra-afk: rockbox should run on any full-size click-wheel ipod now
23:53:34[Franklin]nanos, not so much
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23:55:58[Franklin]zirra-afk: the new patches promise better performance and more feature support (user timers)
23:56:38CtcpIgnored 11 channel CTCP requests in 14 minutes and 25 seconds at the last flood
23:56:38*[Franklin] hasn't tested them yet
23:56:43[Franklin]but again, they look promising
23:57:08[Saint]If its not a 6G...why would you be crying?
23:57:19[Saint]If its any other non-Nano iPod, its still a win.
23:57:22[Saint]We support those too...
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23:58:22[Franklin][Saint]: perhaps 'cause they're slow?
23:58:40[Franklin]and they have comparatively tiny hard drives?
23:58:48[Franklin]*size is all relative*
23:58:56[Saint]They're all fast enough to do realtime playback of mainstream codecs, so, speed is irrelevant.

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