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#rockbox log for 2014-12-04

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00:02:28[Saint]You've caught me at a weird time, I'm about 75% of the way through writing a (fairly extensive and detailed) guide to compiling Rockbox on Android on Debian-like (Debian, Mint, Ubuntu (and its derivatives), etc.) hosts.
00:02:57[Saint]But there's a /loooooooooooooooot/ of information to cover in such a guide, so its not going as fast as I would like it to.
00:07:53przemhb[Saint]: I have downloaded only SDK and not bundle and I have apparently no aapt to symlink to. I am downloading the whole bundle, but it's time for me to get some sleep. I think I will finish this as a first thing at... work ;)
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00:08:30[Saint]Not a problem. I wish you good night.
00:08:31przemhb[Saint]: Once again big thanks.
00:08:44[Saint]Once again, not a problem. :)
00:08:50przemhbI should be here tomorrow.
00:08:59[Saint]As should I.
00:08:59przemhbI will report results then.
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02:27:40[Franklin]you know what, forget vertical stride!
02:28:00[Franklin]there's only one target with a vertical stride color LCD... not worth it
02:32:11[Franklin]hmm... when/if xrick and xworld get committed, I guess they'll be nicknamed the "X-Series" of games :D
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02:37:10cmhobbsis there any chance that rockbox will be ported to 6th gen ipod nanos?
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03:00:11[Saint]cmhobbs: extremely little chance, but not wholly improbable.
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03:05:10[Franklin]I'd say code execution is bound to happen sooner or later
03:05:19[Franklin]anyway, gtg
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03:47:03micahhm, i had this problem with the rockbox installer before, where it would segfault
03:47:10micahand I totally forgot what I did to fix it
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09:29:20wodzpamaury: ping
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09:59:53pamaurywodz: pong
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10:09:53natanelhohow to make plugins i proggrammed appear in "aplication" folder under plugins in the build?
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10:12:17pamaurynatanelho: edit apps/CATEGORIES
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10:58:44*natanelho is developing plugins for himself
11:14:58natanelhohow to use rb->do_menu in c lang?
11:20:39pamaurynatanelho: have a look at other plugins I guess
11:21:40pamauryfor example disk_tidy.c
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12:52:31natanelhopamaury: thx
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14:08:02wodzpamaury: ping again
14:08:08pamaurypong again
14:08:50pamaurywodz: ^
14:09:08wodzDid you see gerrit task?
14:12:41pamauryI didn't have time to review it completely, it looks nice although it would be nice the sd part be generic
14:12:48pamauryalso where is HWLIB.printf implemented ?
14:12:58wodzDo you have any thoughts how to clean this up/structure to be more generic?
14:13:56pamauryoh ok, I missed it ;)
14:15:06pamauryit's very nice and practical :) Anyway, yeah for SD you could have a pointer to the backend in a form of a table
14:15:19pamaurylike SD.set_driver(ATJ)
14:15:38pamauryand the driver table would need to implemente a few functions like sd_init, sd_send, etc
14:15:48pamauryor maybe put them a in sub table like ATJ.SD
14:16:05wodzWell card initialization is pretty generic
14:16:31pamaurythat would init the controller, not the card
14:17:09pamauryalso set_speed, set_bus_width
14:17:46wodzI am more concerned about abstracting card_init() and sd_read_sectors() or equivalents. With sane controllers thats easy but rk27xx is super weird
14:18:25pamaurywhy ?
14:20:59wodz1) It needs hw buffer switching during transfers 2) It treats differently last-but-one sector 3) the STOP_TRANSMISSION needs to be sent before getting last sector from HW
14:21:14wodzits super counter intuitive
14:21:53pamaury1) is not an issue, that's part of command sending 2) same 3) is a bit of a problem, why is it the case ?
14:23:30wodzpamaury: 1) is not. It is for getting packets from SD. Anyway see firmware/target/arm/rk27xx/sd-rk27xx.c you will understand better what I mean
14:23:50pamaurybut when you send a command, you retrieve the data also
14:24:10pamauryI don't think it's wise to separate command from data
14:24:27wodzbut you need to switch hw buffer on *every* packet
14:25:01pamaurywhy can't you do it ? If you manage to do it lua, I don't see what is the problem
14:25:25wodzIt would need special callback in generic function
14:26:26pamauryno, the generic layer would do thing like: buffer=sd_cmd(SD_READ,arg,data_length) and sd_cmd() would send the command and send/retrieve the data, and thus do switching
14:27:36wodzso you mean sd_cmd() to be higher level than current send_cmd()
14:29:46pamauryyeah why not ? Or if you prefer split it into send_cmd() and send/recv_data() and the latter would handle the packet switching
14:30:32pamaurybut really on many controllers command and data are tightly coupled together
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14:32:02pamauryon imx233 for example, the read command is not sent with send_cmd, it calls the low-lever level routine directly
14:33:41pamauryhowever that doesn't solve 3) which is very weird
14:34:12pamaurywhat happen if you send the stop command after the transfer ?
14:36:31wodzAFAIK every subseqent commands fail
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14:40:01pamauryhum, I guess you could still make it work: in sd_cmd() if that's a READ or WRITE, do the trip with stop_command, and when asked to send the stop_command afterwards, just don't do it
14:44:05wodzassuming such abstraction we will have READ, WRITE and INIT?
14:45:12pamauryI would say init and send_cmd, with send_cmd doing actual command sending and data transfer (read or write)
14:47:03pamauryif that's alright to you
14:47:36wodzto make it clear you mean 'target' specific part should provide sdc_set_speed(), sdc_bus_width(), sdc_send_cmd() which combines sending command and retriving data, right?
14:48:23pamauryand sdc_init and maybe also sdc_max_bus_width() because it might depend on the hardware what is the maximum bus size
14:48:28pamauryalso there can be several buses
14:49:03pamaury(thinking about porting this layer to rockbox then, it must be generic enough)
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14:50:16pamauryalso sdc_detect() could be useful
14:53:03wodzwhat should it do?
14:54:05pamaurycheck if the card is present. Well maybe it's not that useful for the lua part
14:58:27wodzI'll try to write something
15:01:29pamauryok, I have to leave now, but I'll be back online very soon and I should available tonight
15:01:34pamauryI'll try to hack on hwstub
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18:52:11plexhas anyone tried unbricking a sansa clip zip
18:55:42pamaurywe havce a whole wiki page about it
18:57:28plexi could not find any info on the clip zip specific, if anyone could point me in the right direction, i would be grateful
18:59:41pamauryyou should not attempt it without the advise of a dev who knows about the zip
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19:01:34pamauryok the wiki page covers the other players, the zip *very* much like a clip+ though so information mayb still apply, I don't know
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19:04:59plexokay, so basically it only will show the original firmware boot screen for about two seconds, even though it had rockbox running on it, i have tried a hard reset, what else should i try first
19:06:41plexit did go through the washing machine and the dryer. do you think that would make it stop working, but unbrickable
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19:21:33plexanybody know if shorting the recovery pins on the clip zip works??
19:22:57wodzpamaury: the idea with your idea of sdc_send_cmd() has one weak point - we either should take both response and data OR treat R2 response (the long one) as data
19:31:54wodzplex: I wouldn't have much hope in revive the player after washing + drying really
19:33:45wodzif it had rb but it tries to boot into OF by itself indicates short circuit most probably
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19:49:02pamaurywodz: the function would take response too
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19:54:41plexi got it to turn on, but the keypad is not working, all i did was pop it apart, so i think the keypad is busted
19:55:03plexi did not even solder anything, just open it
19:57:22plexbecause that would make sense that it was booting into the OF if there was a short circut in the keypad
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20:03:48wodzpamaury: take or give?
20:04:05wodzpamaury: as response type can be derived from the command requested
20:05:05wodzwhat about returning {"response" = {}, "data" = {} } ?
20:07:42micahman this clip+ its so freaking light and small
20:07:51micahi had a iriver h10, the difference is huge
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20:12:10pamaurywodz: give
20:12:28pamauryyeah returning a table seems like a good idea
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20:14:09plexthanks guys, i think it is probabally unfixable
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20:19:14wodzpamaury: about bus width - I think the table describing lowlevel functions should provide a hint what bus width should be. It is target specific anyway.
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20:26:32thebagoo384Hi all. Quick question about Rockbox on the Sansa Clip + if anyone can help.....
20:27:05pamaurywodz: yeah either a table or function, it can be bus specific
20:27:08pamaurylike on the imx
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20:28:46thebagoo384Someone gave me a Clip+ with a duff battery so I've put Rockbox on it and intended to just power it off a USB charger and use it in the car (I've removed the battery completely). If I power it off 4VDC via the battery terminals, it's fine. If I try to power it off the USB source, it powers off after ~22 seconds. Any idea why this is, please?
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21:59:39pamaurywodz: I have a crazy idea, wouldn't it be kind of neat if hwstub was a HID-like device ? Combined with hwstub over network, potentially anyone could use it, even on Windows, it could be useful to investigate things on other's people devices
22:02:39wodzthat was my thought about a hub
22:03:04wodzdoes HID use control only EP?
22:03:49wodzpamaury: ^
22:04:28pamaurythat's the problem: it does for "write" requests, but for "read" requests it uses interrupt EP
22:05:16pamauryat least that's my understanding of HID
22:05:54wodzI'd say it is no go then
22:06:33pamaurybut I need to double-check that
22:07:22pamauryhum apparently it is possible to use EP0 for receiving, there is a Get_Report request
22:07:52wodzIf it can be done in control only it will be super nice. No mess with custom drivers and stuff
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22:08:29pamauryyeah, I need to investigate this, that would be awesome
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23:04:47[Franklin]foolsh: nice job turning a useless game into a semi-useful app! :D
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23:25:53[Saint]There's no way to define a permanent directory for any and all Rockbox builds jobs, is there? like some form of $OUT ?
23:27:52[Franklin]directory for what?
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23:30:50[Saint]Like, for instance, for several other projects I build for, you call configure straight from the project directory or subdirectory, and then make or whatever, and it goes to a defined $OUT folder.
23:31:17[Saint]Whereas with Rockbox, that would end up shitting the build files out into the source tree.
23:31:41[Saint]I understand its possible to build out-of-tree, and I do so, but I was wondering if there was a method as described above.
23:34:59*[Franklin] should really start building out-of-tree
23:38:09[Saint]It is much nicer to do so, IMO.
23:38:45[Saint]maintain a completely clean source tree, and build elsewhere.
23:39:36gevaertsYou should be able to build out of tree
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23:39:57[Franklin]______hello_______ alex______
23:40:11[Saint]Oh, in case it wasn't clear, I can and do build out of tree.
23:40:13alex______I need help with rockbox
23:40:41alex______It seems to have messed up my ipod nano 2g
23:41:02alex______it constantly crashes
23:41:25alex______I can't even get it to connect to my pc to restore it
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23:43:17[Franklin]what's on the screen before it crashes, if anything?
23:43:51[Franklin]do you see the bootloader?
23:44:37[Franklin]can you stop it at the bootloader?
23:44:45[Franklin]or does it crash in the bootloader?
23:44:47alex______it says undefined instruction at 080C
23:45:12alex______it can stay at the bootloader but i cant select anything
23:45:35alex______the rest of it goes off the screen
23:46:16alex______it varies
23:46:25alex______it seems to crash at the bootloader now
23:46:49[Franklin]that means it's not rockbox crashing it
23:47:21alex______sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt
23:47:44*[Franklin] suspects hardware failure
23:47:48[Franklin]alex______: how old is it?
23:47:58alex______not sure
23:49:14alex______I didnt get it new
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23:51:14saratogaIIRC the nano2g has an emergency disk mode that you can use to restore it from
23:51:30alex______how do I access it?
23:53:27alex______IT WORKED, THANK YOU SO MUCH
23:54:51alex______Is there any way to install rockbox safely
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23:55:45alex______I did it previously with the installer
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