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#rockbox log for 2015-07-04

00:06:03 Join TheGreekOwl [0] (
00:06:24TheGreekOwlCan I ask a question about rockbox and Sandisk clip+?
00:10:24aphirstdon't ask to ask
00:10:25aphirstjust ask
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00:11:01TheGreekOwlright, so I have that sandisk, recently the volume botton broke ( a common problem apparently)
00:11:05TheGreekOwlDoes rockbox have internal volume control?
00:11:38TheGreekOwlAs in, can I change the volume by going into the settings and adjusting it just through the d-pad
00:12:11lebelliumyes you can
00:12:23lebelliumif you have it, why didn't you try?
00:12:36TheGreekOwlI'm going to install it righjt now
00:12:51TheGreekOwlI didnt install rockbox yet, I just found about it
00:12:56lebelliumah ok
00:13:12TheGreekOwlI'm looking into buying another Mp3 player in the meantime, this time something that can play doom
00:13:14TheGreekOwlBecause !!!!
00:13:17TheGreekOwlIt can play fucking doom
00:13:32lebelliumthat said, it's not much practical to adjust the volume in the settings
00:13:43TheGreekOwlWhats the best mp3 that supports rockbox and doom
00:13:45TheGreekOwllebellium, go on
00:14:10gevaertslebellium: there's the quickscreen though, or doesn't that work on the clip+?
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00:15:39gevaertsNot as easy as proper volume buttons of course, but not unusable either I think
00:15:54TheGreekOwlAs long as I can max my volume without the need of the volume bottom, im fine
00:18:02gevaertsTheGreekOwl: when you've finished installing, have a look at
00:18:15TheGreekOwlI mactually looking at the manual hold on
00:18:37lebelliumI don't remember how to personalize the quickscreen on Clip+, hum
00:19:07gevaertsThe quickscreen is a menu you can access anywhere with four (configurable) settings on it which you can change using the dpad
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00:19:45lebelliumoh that's how it works!
00:20:04TheGreekOwlWait so I just download installer nad let it do the work?
00:20:17lebelliumthen you just press long on home and you get the volume hehe
00:20:26TheGreekOwlGot the microSD out, and Ctrl+c Ctrl+v my stuff from the player, im doing it
00:21:25lebelliumgevaerts: you need to add the volume setting to both up and down quickscreen
00:22:23gevaertsI think so, yes
00:22:35lebelliumoh it's also written in the manual
00:22:37gevaertsOr left an right of course if you prefer :)
00:22:37lebelliummy bad
00:23:11lebelliumsometimes I should read the manual before talking \o/
00:24:54lebelliummore difficult one for gevaerts now: I got a Clipv2 with broken hold button. How can I used software hold instead?
00:27:07gevaertslebellium: I think you can just use your hand to hold it :)
00:27:33TheGreekOwlHuh, ok it says I need the sandisk firmware update
00:27:36TheGreekOwlOr whateve rit is
00:28:47TheGreekOwlok got it
00:28:58TheGreekOwlIts happening
00:28:59lebelliumgevaerts: meh... copying the 'software hold' code from Clip+ to Clipv1/v2 could work or is it more complicated?
00:29:26gevaertslebellium: I suppose so, but I don't really know. Keymaps and the like aren't really my area
00:30:56TheGreekOwlOk, I installed it
00:31:01TheGreekOwlSo... I just remove it now
00:31:27lebelliumdoes it mean you only tested it 6 seconds?
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00:36:27lebelliumfunman: is it possible to add software hold from clip+ for poor clipv1/v2 users like me with a broken/loose hold button?
00:36:44thirty6Turns out it was the font pack, and I'm an idiot - thanks lebellium for your help.
00:37:39thirty6trying to create an ios8 inspired theme for the classic, we'll see how it goes. stupid retina-only icons.
00:42:53lebellium 258 #ifndef HAS_BUTTON_HOLD /* Clip+ */
00:42:56lebellium 260 #endif /* HAS_BUTTON_HOLD */
00:43:20lebelliumare '#lines' only commentary or may it work if I remove them?
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00:44:15IvoahLines that begin with a # are preprocessor directives, and cannot be removed
00:44:59lebelliumokay, so I remove them, it doesn't say "it's not only for Clip+ but for all Clip targets" ?
00:45:11lebelliumit just won't work at all?
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00:54:06TheGreekOwlOk its installed... im confsued
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00:58:28mendeis there a way to set rockbox to auto sleep every time it opens? I rarely use it more than 40mins each time
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01:02:46[Saint]It will do this by default in fact.
01:03:31TheGreekOwl...why is there doom 2 in my san disk mp3 player
01:03:37TheGreekOwlWhy are ther 30 games on rockbox
01:04:00[Saint]Because apparently you installed a project you knew nothing about.
01:04:25[Saint]I suspect you'll keep having moments like those for a while.
01:05:31[Saint]mende: Settings - General Settings - Startup/Shutdown - Idle Poweroff
01:05:41[Saint]This defaults to 10 min
01:06:05[Saint]It has a range of 0 min (disabled) to 1 hour.
01:07:21[Saint]mende: we also have a sleep timer - I would recommend reading over our fine manual.
01:09:57[Saint]It probably wouldn't hurt for you to peruse our fine manual either TheGreekOwl - Rockbox has a vast and wide array oif features and settings the original firmware does not, many of which or not intuitive at all.
01:10:21[Saint]*of which are
01:10:22TheGreekOwlAnd this is on a sandisk, imagine what it owuld look like in a better mp3 player
01:10:25TheGreekOwlWhich has a good screen
01:10:30TheGreekOwlFucking doom
01:11:33[Saint]Well - in all fairness, it's just the /backend/ of DooM - which is only several Kb. If you actually want it to function, you've got a fair bit of work to do.
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01:12:50[Saint]If you were to remove these files, you would save a grand sum total of 40-something Kb, enough for a few seconds of audio.
01:12:58[Saint]So, why not include them, really...
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01:14:26mende[Saint]: what I mean is that for it to shut down even if its play, I already have idle set
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01:14:39[Saint]mende: then you want the sleep timer.
01:14:48[Saint]Our fine manual will be happy to explain this for you.
01:15:00mendeI don't think you understand what I am trying to do
01:15:06mendeI am trying to set it to always sleep
01:15:13mendeLike as soon as I turn it on, it starts the countdown
01:15:22mendeNot manually turning it on all the time
01:15:53[Saint]So...set a config with a sleep timer active.
01:16:13[Saint]Or, don't, whatever.
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01:16:34TheGreekOwl...this is a million times better then the original sandisk OS
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01:16:48TheGreekOwlCan I do all of these without hte mnaual?
01:17:02TheGreekOwl:Like, lying down on my bed in the middle of the night customizing my player
01:17:49mende[Saint]: it has no such option
01:18:23mendeTheGreekOwl: download some themes, and play with it
01:18:35mendeI been using it since 2007 and I still get lost sometimes
01:19:28[Saint]mende: please review the manual.
01:20:01[Saint]The things you want to do are most definitely available.
01:20:16TheGreekOwlI can download themes?
01:20:57mendeI went thru the manual and googled it, I really don't see it
01:21:12[Saint]Settings - General Settings - Startup/Shutdown - {Default Sleep Timer Duration|Start Sleep Timer On Boot}
01:21:18[Saint]You didn;t try hard enough.
01:21:51[Saint]I honestly can't stress this enough, new users *need* to review the manual.
01:21:59[Saint]This is not intuitive. As we see.
01:22:49[Saint]Our menu trees are far too dense and deep seated to have an intuitive flow sometimes.
01:23:12[Saint]...most of the time. Really.
01:24:00TheGreekOwlmende, can I actually customize said downloaded themes?
01:24:06mendeYeah you can
01:24:14[Saint]*cough* manual *cough*
01:24:35TheGreekOwlThank you
01:24:37mende[Saint]: sorry for being bothersome, I really don't see the option, I tried pressing all the buttons but it gives me no start sleep timer on boot
01:25:03[Saint]mende: are you perhaps using some truly ancient build?
01:25:04mendeI only get timer, I am on the latest rockbox, I am on sansa clip zip if that mattersm maybe its not in the port yet?
01:25:24[Saint]WHen you say "latest rockbox" do you perhaps mean the several year old release build?
01:26:51[Saint]That confuses me. The setting clearly exists. I can only think you may be on the release build. Which is truly ancient and misses almost 2 years of features and bugfixes.
01:27:19mendeI can try a dev build I have no idea why I don't see it
01:27:27[Saint]I do, now.
01:28:01[Saint]No one should be using the releases. I want to make this clear, but I have no access to edit the website.
01:28:26[Saint]The releases became largely pointless when the development branch overlapped them in stability.
01:28:40TheGreekOwlWait shit
01:28:50TheGreekOwlOk windows doesnt recognize the rockbox installed sandisk now
01:29:03[Saint]Boot the OF - let it handle USB.
01:29:11TheGreekOwlthe OF?
01:29:18[Saint]Original Firmware
01:29:20mendeoffical firmware
01:29:29[Saint](in before "holy shit I can do that?")
01:29:36TheGreekOwlYeha that I just hold left before opening it
01:30:07[Saint]Are you perhaps /also/ using the release build?
01:30:26[Saint]USB is a lot more stable on the development builds - but still far from perfect.
01:30:45[Saint]I highly recommend switching to the development branch.
01:30:58[Saint]I understand users might believe they don't want that - they do.
01:31:05TheGreekOwlIs it me, or in the original firmware
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01:31:11TheGreekOwlWhen I shut it down it has a new Goodbye logo
01:31:12TheGreekOwlThats nice
01:31:15TheGreekOwlRockbox is OP tier
01:31:18TheGreekOwlHow havnet I heard of this before
01:31:27TheGreekOwlIts like the Linux of media players
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01:32:26[Saint]The community is relatively obscure. "Normal People" tend not to overlap too much with audiophiles (yuck), engineers, and developers.
01:32:36[Saint]Also - zero marketing.
01:32:39[Saint]Like, none.
01:33:12[Saint]Rockbox is a less of a product, and more of a pet project by developers for developers.
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01:33:42[Saint]If Johnny Public gets a kick out of it, great. But they're not the target market. There isn't a target market. Nor a market at all.
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01:34:47mendeI got used to using to to drag and drop on iPod, then I just got used to the firmware, but I still get lost
01:35:07[Saint]People don't tend to find Rockbox until they have the realization that "Holy shit my DAPs firmware is shit!", and then wonder if they can do something about it.
01:35:22[Saint]A lot of people will go through their entire lives without having either of those thoughts.
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01:37:02[Saint]I can't for the life of me recall how I found Rockbox actually. I think my discovery progressed from iPodLinux on the iPod Nano 1G, but I have no idea how I discovered /that/.
01:37:41TheGreekOwlAt this point I have to remove my hat at you people, this is amazing
01:37:47TheGreekOwlIm going to sleep now, many thanks for this help
01:37:48TheGreekOwlYou are the best
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01:42:46Ivoah[Saint]: I found rockbox by looking around in iPodlinux, and found that by googling "linux on iPod"
01:43:20IvoahI tend to search for "linux on X" for just about every computer/electronic device I find
01:43:23mendelinux fever was huge for me back then
01:43:53mendei switched to OS X since i like unix but linux had a lot of little problems
01:44:14Ivoah[Saint]: After reading the backlog, I guess I should update my iPod from the release build to dev build
01:44:52[Saint]Yeah. There's really no good reason not to.
01:45:45mendei actually didn't know it was still being updated
01:45:58mendeI just it was working on stability, not new features
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01:48:42IvoahWhy doesn't Rockbox work on Mac formatted iPods?
01:50:06mendeHFS+ I think
01:50:19mende(I also run a hackintosh) its not Fat32 basically
01:50:35Ivoahbut why doesn't it work on not FAT disks?
01:50:46mendeno drivers
01:51:00mendelike why windows programs won't run on linux
01:51:16Ivoahand nobody has bothered to write one?
01:51:21mendewhy bother?
01:51:26mendeyou just format it to fat32
01:51:43mendeits like walking around the great wall of china instead of using a ladder
01:52:24Ivoahbut that requires Windows, which not everyone has
01:53:10mende95% people have it
01:53:20IvoahI guess...
01:53:30mendeyou're just a minority for a smaller minority, and there is not much demand
01:55:09mendeI think you should have windows just for cases like this
01:55:18mendemost software runs on windows
01:55:31mendeI switched to mac most of the time, but windows is kinda necessary
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02:27:41mende[Saint]: I updated but there isn't such an option, I think it was a custom patch perhaps?
02:28:37[Saint]WHat target is this?
02:29:14mendeI still don't see the sleep on boot option
02:29:21mendeI see a patch though
02:29:57[Saint]Reason for closing: Accepted
02:30:13[Saint]What device is this?
02:30:22mendemaybe it wasn't built into the dev version? sansa clip zip
02:31:36[Saint]The manual certainly seems to believe it exists for this target.
02:32:50mendeI'm going to reinstall it again, maybe a file wasn't overwritten
02:33:35[Saint]Yeah, I'm just looking at the patch now and there doesn't seem to be any reason why this shouldn't exist for any given target.
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02:35:41mendegot it!
02:35:43mendethanks saint
02:36:31JanCIvoah: why would you need Windows to format something as FAT32?
02:36:39[Saint]Now you can set a timer for N minutes at boot and decide whether or not keypresses should re-init the timer.
02:37:06[Saint]which IIUC is exactly what you wanted?
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02:38:39[Saint]if I understand correctly.
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02:39:12mendei just wanted it to turn off at a certain time after i turned it on, which is exactly what this does
02:39:18mendei fall asleep with my sansa zip sometimes
02:40:10[Saint]I believe you can set the range from between 5 minutes and 5 or 6 hours.
02:40:15[Saint]something like this.
02:40:26mendei set it to 40 mins, and idle is like 6mins
02:40:27[Saint]should be flexible enough for you.
02:40:44mendeit is
02:40:46mendethank you so much!
02:41:05mendeI'm off to try it out tonight, thanks again!
02:41:17[Saint]not a problem - sorry for the confusion, glad to get you sorted.
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03:15:42IvoahJanC: You need the windows version of iTunes to format it as FAT and still be able to use it as an iPod
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06:02:03YaMoonSunIs the dev team working on support for the sandisk Clip Jam?
06:03:01[Saint](also of note - there is no "dev team")
06:03:19YaMoonSunSo rockbox magically developed itself?
06:03:34[Saint]People who wanted a particular thing to happen made it happen.
06:03:55YaMoonSunI'll avoid the player for the time being. Also, right on. Implying it's open source?
06:04:22[Saint]It is. It might be worth noting that this will likely never happen for this device.
06:04:29[Saint]It is devoid of resources.
06:04:59*YaMoonSun has to google devoid.
06:05:16YaMoonSunOpen Source, or GPL licensed?
06:05:28YaMoonSunI really should learn some code, smh
06:06:05[Saint]It's GPL - but your 'or' confuses me in that context.
06:06:23YaMoonSunNevermind, it says it right in the logo
06:06:57YaMoonSunWell, stallman wasn't huge on the open source momentment if I recall correctly. He said it wasn't "all the way" free.
06:07:04YaMoonSunFree enough for most though.
06:08:00YaMoonSunThen again, there are three version of the GPL at the moment, so
06:08:05*YaMoonSun shrugs
06:08:47YaMoonSunShould check out revolution OS if you've got free time and a general interest in computers and the development of code and operating systems.
06:09:54[Saint]As far as I know the Jam is basically identical to the Sport - which also doesn't have the guts to run Rockbox.
06:10:00[Saint]It just isn't happening.
06:10:34YaMoonSunImplying what exactly? Rockbox is resouce intensive?
06:11:14YaMoonSunGuts as in courage or as internal components?
06:12:00[Saint]Rockbox isn't particularly resource intensive, no, but that particular device has little to spare - even by the standards of our less powerful devices.
06:12:00YaMoonSunEssentially I want to be able to utilize .flac without buying a Sansa
06:12:35YaMoonSunAre we talking like DSL? (Damn Small Linux)
06:13:13YaMoonSunI hope I'm not being annoying ^_^;
06:15:31*YaMoonSun must be being annoying
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06:16:12*YaMoonSun just realized that the Jam supports .flac by default.
06:16:29[Saint]You asked a question, I answered it. It didn't require any more words that that.
06:16:33[Saint]That is all.
06:17:26YaMoonSunFair enough, I just read that rockbox-community post, I'll quit getting off topic.
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11:10:58lvxz1Hi. Is there any way to make cue,apps/text_editor,- make Rockbox open .cue files using the text_editor rather than opening the cue sheet preview?
11:11:07lvxz1It worked with LRC files, but not here.
11:12:03lvxz1I keep metadata in cue files (song ratings on 0 to 100 specifically) next to song structure, so I'd like it to be readily previewable/editable.
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11:40:08dongslvxz1: how do you manage to have such a fine-grained rating for a song
11:44:01lvxz1Well, that's why I chose to write the ratings manually than use the built-in rater.
11:44:52lvxz1I just have a faux cue sheet entry RATING 87.5, for instance, above track description, and a script that parses all .cue files on the player, and sorts the songs.
11:44:58fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #87 at : 3LAMP plugin PLA integration (manual code) by Jean-Louis Biasini
11:45:19lvxz1It generates two playlists, too, with all songs >= 75, sorted top-bottom and bottom-top. :)
11:46:54lvxz1I will just regenerate the playlists every week or two or so.
11:49:19lvxz1In fact, I wonder if it's possible to rewrite this script in Lua, so that I can run it from inside Rockbox, too. But I know no Lua, so it's not for now anyway.
11:49:51lvxz1Can Rockbox-Lua read and write files?
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12:02:03lvxz1Actually never mind, without an emulator (?) (unless one exists) debugging it would be hell anyway.
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12:47:42pixelmalvxz1: did you try the "Open with..." context menu on the cue files? Or do you want to make Rockbox open the .cue files with the text editor per default?
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12:51:35lvxz1Yes, I 'open with...' currently, but yes, I'd like it to open t.e. by default.
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14:41:59jtdesigns01I heard that rockbox has USB On-The-Go support. Does that mean that i could plug a USB keyboard into a DAP (with the appropriate cables) and type in the text editor?
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14:51:49gevaertsjtdesigns01: I don't know where you heard that, but it's wrong
14:52:14jtdesigns01oh. DRAT!
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14:53:14jtdesigns01it was mentioned here:
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14:54:40gevaertsThat's either made up or a misunderstanding
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15:19:08IvoahO.o my ipod decides it doesn't want to be dead anymore after taking it apart and putting it back together
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15:23:08IvoahDo podcasts synced to the iPod via iTunes work in rockbox?
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18:28:07funmanlebellium: did you succeed with hold for clip v1/v2 ?
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18:45:38tertuWhy does OS X refuse to mount an iPod classic running Rockbox?
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18:52:03tertuI know it's possible to circumvent it by changing the USB ID so that the machine no longer thinks that it's an iPod
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19:06:26Ivoahtertu: it works wiht my iPod 4G
19:07:08tertuDoesn't the 4G switch into the OF when you connect it to USB?
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19:19:21tertuIt might be because I don't have any of the trappings of a legitimate iPod on there anymore, like iPodControl, or maybe that computer was just weird
19:26:11Ivoahthat shouldn't matter
19:26:27Ivoahrockbox just mounts it as a generic storage device
19:34:23tertuThe last time I tried to connect my 6G to a Mac with a stock Rockbox build, it refused to mount it
19:37:03tertualso on this very computer, Rhythmbox detected it as a broken iPod
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19:55:07soapthat's only because you've removed the Apple files
19:55:51soapRhythmbox's assumptions about what it should find on a device with that USB ID is not related to what OSX is doing.
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22:37:59Persitshi folks
22:38:23Persitscan I ask a Fuze related question?
22:39:14soapDon't ask to ask.
22:39:32Persitsyep, just have read about it
22:40:25Persitsthe question is: I have a Fuze v1 official firmware, is it beneficial to upgrade to Rockbox 2013 version?
22:40:43PersitsWhat are the benefits?
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22:54:03Persitsanyone how can answer - plz post your answer, I'll check it thourgh the site logs.
22:54:13Persitsgotta go. thanks!
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23:10:54tertuthe thing is it doesn't claim it's an iPod
23:11:03tertuit uses the USB ID 6666:3495
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23:41:54tertupersits if you come back here's some things that rockbox supports that the fuze firmware does not
23:44:03tertuIt can play more audio formats, including AAC (used by iTunes for one)
23:44:15terturecording in formats besides wav
23:46:26tertumore flexible library organization
23:47:49tertucreating playlists on the device, some cool games and demos, theme support
23:48:03tertua more powerful equalizer
23:49:08tertualso you can dual-boot rockbox and the original firmware to take advantage of the few things it can do that rockbox cannot
23:49:54tertu(rockbox cannot play back DRMed music files, but then again there aren't many DRMed WMAs or slotMusic cards out there anymore)
23:50:32tertuoh, never mind, slotMusic works but slotRadio does not
23:52:01tertualso better (but incompatible) video playback, you can play 30fps videos under Rockbox
23:53:50aphirsti saw a slotmusic card once
23:54:34tertui remember those being in Best Buy once or twice
23:54:41tertui did not know slotRadio even existed

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