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#rockbox log for 2016-05-28

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00:28:32pamaury[7]: here ?
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00:32:40pamauryit clearly looks like a fucking broken regex and/or regex-applying-tool and/or some other tool involve in this horrible nightmare
00:33:01*pamaury wonders if he will have to tell ct-ng to rebuild every unix tool
00:34:11pamaurymake even broken make, apparently make 3.8.1 has known issues, lovely
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00:39:06pamaurybut how the hell do you specify the make version is ct-ng ?!
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01:13:40pamauryok so this is a nightmare, make >= 4.0 breaks C library and make = 3.8.1 also breaks it
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11:32:22lnvxHey. Does Rockbox have a boot log? Mine doesn't boot (after it fell (mere twenty cms...)) (though the OF does) and I want to diagnose it. It turns off after the logo shows up and a couple of messages flash. I think I see 'exiting'.
11:33:24lnvxI mean, the word 'exiting'.
11:39:42lnvxAlso an odd thing is that it boots and runs apparently perfectly when I press-plug it into my Linux, so it hardly seems to be a corruption of the boot partition or something.
11:39:58lnvxEven odder is that the OF seems to run perfectly as well, so it doesn't seem to be some battery issue.
11:40:38lnvxIt's as if it's only RB that doesn't want to run only when the player is not plugged in.
11:40:56alexbobplnvx: I'd just reinstall rockbox, you won't lose any settings
11:41:56lnvxAll right. I glimpsed something about 'checking the filesystem' on the forums though. Any canonical ways to do that, too, for the Clip+?
11:42:21lnvxAlso, would you know if there's a bootlog either way?
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11:48:38lnvxHow do I reinstall? Just check 'bootloader'?
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11:54:49lnvx...Did that, didn't help. Same symptoms.
11:55:43alexbobplnvx: what os are you on?
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11:55:56alexbobpand I'd check bootloader and os
11:56:10alexbobpbootloader is unlikely to break tbh
11:56:10lnvxalexbobp: RB 3.13/a recent live-DVD Ubuntu.
11:56:24lnvx'Check', how?
11:56:27alexbobpok, just do "sudo fsck -y /dev/sdfoo1"
11:56:33alexbobpwhile it's unmounted
11:56:47alexbobpand check as in checkboxes, you said check first :P
11:56:56lnvxOh, right. Sorry. :)
11:57:06lnvxYes, that's what I did.
11:57:12alexbobpah ok
11:57:54alexbobpit's always a theoretical possibility that you created an actual hardware fault but OF is able to tolerate it
11:58:33lnvxThat's what I reckon, drives get gradually corrupted all the time, right? A small fall shouldn't break a player if it doesn't break pendrives.
12:02:14alexbobpno I don't mean corruption of the flash memory
12:02:29alexbobpI mean maybe some other piece of hardware responds differently and confuses the os
12:02:40alexbobpI'm just speculating though, I don't know what to tell ya
12:04:13lnvxsudo fsck /dev/sd{a,b} gives 'superblock could not be read', but this command seems to expect EXT filesystems, while RB uses FAT I believe...
12:12:14lnvxalexbobp: I'm horribly new, but did you mean *un*mounted? fsck seems to want to proceed when it *is* mounted.
12:12:27lnvxI mean, the nonSD partition.
12:14:17alexbobpno way, fsck definitely wants an unmounted partition :P
12:15:18alexbobpit should be fat32
12:15:22alexbobpyou can use fsck.vfat
12:15:25lnvxWell when it is mounted (mount-displayed), fsck/fsck.vfat −−yes.
12:15:29alexbobpI gotta go sleep
12:15:37lnvx−−fsck.vfat says something about a 'dirty bit not set'.
12:15:54lnvxApparently it accesses something. | I see. Thank you and bye.
12:15:55alexbobpyeah it's dirty because it's mounted
12:16:02lnvxOh, I see.
12:16:10alexbobpunmount it and try
12:16:30alexbobpwell best of luck!
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12:36:06lnvxWhen RB is run via press-plugging the player, and then plugged out, it exits immediately, perhaps as if it misread battery as 0.
12:36:18lnvxMeanwhile the OF runs and plays well so far.
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12:36:50lnvxThis is so bizarre.
12:41:15lnvxThe battery misreading hypothesis seems confirmed by the fact that I can only even *try* to boot RB from time to time, every half a minute or so, as if it were convinced that the battery is at its last breath.
12:41:37lnvxWhile the OF boots without fail so far. I'll try to play it for the next hour or so to confirm.
12:42:59lnvxPerhaps the fall confused some inner battery counter, or something, and it has to be depleted and then reloaded fully for both players to get a correct idea.
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13:57:20lnxnIt's me. The 'doesn't boot' error turned out to be, of course, the good old 'backlight turned off on battery'. The fall had nothing to do with it.
13:57:50Horrorcatlnxn: so the device is fine otherwise?
13:58:18lnxnI reckon so. :) (Unless a lot of turning on and off as I did while testing wears the battery in itself, but I don't think it's that bad.)
13:58:36Horrorcatnah, that shouldn’t do anything. good to hear :-)
13:58:58lnxnSorry for trouble. I had the backlight setting in quick menu so to maximize battery life. Feature request: with 'backlight: off' setting, display a message saying 'don't get surprised, the screen will turn off in three seconds'. ;)
13:59:04lnxnI'm off. Cheers. :)
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14:32:33pamauryTheSeven: ping ?
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16:47:28pamaurytime for a major commit that might potentially break all imx233 targets...commit diff is +66267, -42851
16:47:50gevaertsNo sense in only trying to break one target :)
16:49:11pamauryI tried it on fuzeplus, nwze380, zenxfi3
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16:49:48pamauryI even checked the disassembly to check that most of the code didn't change !
16:50:15pamaurythat might be the only commit on earth whose ideal goal is that the binary is the same before and after the commit while still changing 60000 lines
16:52:20pamaurygevaerts: I tried to compile the ypr0 toolchain on my build client but no success, I seem to running in the dead end because of make, I feel that I will need to compile a very specific version of make
16:53:54gevaertsMaking a build that fragile can't have been easy!
16:55:33pamauryyeah I don't understand, make 3.8.1 seems to break the build, make 3.8.2 was banned by crosstool because it's apparently buggy, and make >= 4.0 is prohibited by the configure check of ypr0. And as far as I can tell, there are no easily downloadable make version between 3.8.2 and 4.0, at least not on
16:55:59pamaurymaybe make is not the only problem, I don't know how TheSeven did it
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17:01:03*gevaerts *really* wants to know where that error comes from
17:05:08pamaurythis error is getting annoying
17:05:23pamauryis it always the same client ?
17:07:24gevaertsI don't think it's all of them either though
17:07:28gevaertsAt least two of them
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17:08:45pamaurycould it be a problem with parallel make ?
17:08:55gevaertsThat target has been built by lillebror1-zagor for the last seven times, and failed once
17:09:12gevaertsYes, I think it has to be a build system issue
17:16:41gevaertsAh good, I can (sometimes) reproduce it
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17:20:42gevaertsOK, so sometimes libcodec.a has an empty ffmpeg_bitstream.o
17:21:37pamaurythat's clearly wrong
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17:26:29gevaertsI don't really like that multiple codecs all compile ffmpeg_bitstream
17:26:43gevaertsThat means it's compiled more than once, and if the .o file is the same...
17:27:09*gevaerts claims that this is a clue
17:28:48pamauryah indeed this is a very good clue
17:28:59gevaertsBasically every time a SOURCES file has ".." in it, there's a risk
17:30:43gevaertsOK, looks like that's actually not even needed...
17:31:52pamauryI would say it's more a problem of different libraries recompiling the same stuff
17:32:12pamauryeach file should be compiled once
17:32:16*gevaerts nods
17:32:46gevaertsSo if I remove ../lib/ffmpeg_bitstream.c from libwma/SOURCES and libwmapro/SOURCES, things still build, but the codec files are different
17:34:32pamaurywhat do you mean ?
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17:35:14pamaurythat might be just a linker thing, if they don't collect garbage and include dead code maybe ?
17:35:37gevaertsffmpeg_bitstream.o "naturally" lives in libcodec.a. Both libwma and libwmapro have ffmpeg_bitstream.c in their SOURCES *and* link libcodec.a
17:35:45gevaertsSo yes, I think it's a linker tging
17:35:57gevaertsBut I'm not entirely sure
17:36:19pamauryyeah I just realized this, libwma and libwmapro should not even include this file
17:36:52pamauryI can do a test build, if you can provide me with a wma and wma pro file ;)
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17:37:01gevaertsAh, well :)
17:37:15pamaury(that's the hard part you have to admit)
17:38:43*pamaury is on a commit spree
17:39:40gevaertsAh, small bss differences at least
17:40:01gevaertsBut text and data are the same size
17:40:10*gevaerts is fairly sure this is fine!
17:40:31*pamaury votes for it
17:42:12*gevaerts dreams of an entirely green build table!
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17:44:29gevaertsWell, if someone else doesn't spoil it with a "normal" error of course :)
17:45:41pamauryouch, that's bad, sorry
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17:47:51pamauryah trivial mistake, I forgot to not compile some code on stmp3700
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17:52:23pamaurynext commit should fix it
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18:03:02pamaurygevaerts: there seems to be another "normal" error
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18:22:47gevaertspamaury: that's for TheSeven to figure out I think
18:23:05gevaertslatex errors on build clients might well mean that the latex setup isn't good enough
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19:51:58pamauryit doesn't really look like a latex error
19:52:09pamaurybut yeah that's his problem ;)
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20:08:56desowin_is there any guide about porting linux usb drivers to rockbox? Lack of TNETV105PAP datasheet makes it a bit extra complicated
20:12:37pamaurydesowin_: not really, first because you would need to port usb gadget driver (if it exists) and then they use a completely different model
20:13:03pamaurybut you can "draw inspiration" from it
20:14:08desowin_is the rockbox usbstack model described somewhere? or is just looking at other implemented drivers the way to go?
20:14:56pamaurymostly look at the other driver, first you need to be familiar with how usb works
20:15:51pamauryI also tried to document it partly in usb.h and usb_drv.h iirc but I could add more
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21:05:14saratogado we have any stats for the downloads we get per release?
21:05:45saratogacurious how many download 3.13 go for instance
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22:52:00lnxnHey. Me again. I just dropped my Clip+ into water. I know I know −− there are dos&don'ts for that online. I have one specific question−−
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22:52:42lnxnit was turned on most likely. Should I turn it off, or should I do nothing, possibly letting it turn itself off in ten minutes?
22:53:09python476hi, I'm looking for hints about fixing a sansa clip+. No rockbox on it, so I'd understand if you don't want to answer but just in case .. I asked
22:53:39lnxnI know Sansas survive contact with water.
22:54:06python476ha, seems like I'm not the only one trying to revive a Sansa
22:54:45lnxnI'd like to help but I'm understandably concerned with mine ATM.
22:54:48python476you dropped yours in water ?
22:55:05lnxnYes. Was turned on.
22:55:21lnxn says 'remove battery', but Sansas' are wired in...
22:55:24lnxnShould I still do it?
22:55:40python476I'm not in a hurry like you. I have 95% of the music backuped and my father bought me a sansa clip jam last month (prescience runs strong in my family)
22:55:54lnxnOr should I just dip it into alcohol already like it says?
22:56:28python476From the few that I know, dry it as much as you can with a hair dryier (not too hot)
22:56:53python476let the invisible traces of water evaporates by letting the circuit in open air (on a table, a radiator) for 48h
22:57:31python476but I just realized that this is for devices with no electricity running , and since the Sansa is still plugged to the battery ..
22:57:42python476Maybe cut the wires if you know about electronics ..
22:57:49lnxnI don't.
22:58:54python476then at best do what I was told .. let it dry and in two days see if you were lucky
22:59:20lnxnIt was only submerged for a second or so. I shook it as soon as I fished it out.
23:00:03python476and the case is 'new' ? no openings ?
23:00:14lnxnLet me open it.
23:00:29python476Hmm there's the audio jack socket that could let water inside
23:01:13python476Did it stop altogether or was there some random things on screen .. how is it going right now ?
23:02:18lnxnProblem is, I set it to turn off the backlight as a matter of seconds.
23:02:36lnxnSo there was nothing on the display when it dropped. Nothing was even playing so I can't just plug the headphones in and check.
23:02:44lnxnI saved battery life that way. :)
23:02:50python476I have this problem too. I never know if mine is dead or just in sleep
23:02:51lnxnThanks for your interest BTW, appreciate it.
23:03:21python476No problem, just send my your credit card number so I can bill you
23:04:54lnxnAll right, opened the thing.
23:05:18lnxnShould I just cut the battery off
23:05:46python476well is there water inside ?
23:06:36lnxnHard to tell. Was some droplets on the battery (which is foiled).
23:06:44lnxnPut a piece of toilet paper on the whole thing.
23:06:49lnxnNo water seems to remain.
23:06:56lnxnI can't find the hair dryer. >_<
23:08:32python476maybe ask ##electronics I don't want to make you cut wires, I'm a noob
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23:19:08lnxnWell, took it apart as well as I could. If it worked all the time, the auto power off would have disabled it by now, so I'll just let it be.
23:19:26lnxnIt's the second one I did this to.
23:19:39lnxnOh well, this time it was a genuine accident, I just pulled on the cable.
23:19:45lnxnWhat's your issue, python476?
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23:25:11lnxn(At least I had my music on a SD card, which might have survived.)
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23:42:03lnxnThe SD card survived. :) Sadly I had important files on the player memory, but if the card survived, then maybe the player drive will too.
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