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#rockbox log for 2016-07-12

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21:25:56*__builtin needs to develop an alternative to using a password for encryption for the passmgr plugin
21:26:23__builtinthe user experience of entering a password on rockbox is horrendous
21:30:16__builtinany ideas?
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21:44:08pixelma__builtin: not sure if that's a good one... maybe the user has to chose one of his files as "key file" (just from what is already present on the storage, could even be something in .rockbox). So just the part of selecting the file... that would mean though that it gets safer the more files you have on there
21:49:46__builtinhmm, that's not very secure
21:50:51*__builtin was thinking along the lines of having the user press a combination of keys to form a "pass sequence"
21:52:00__builtinbut that requires around 20 or so keypresses to achieve about the level of entropy an 8 character password provides
21:55:39pixelma20 keypresses are a bit much (you can easily mistype or forget) and if you're unlucky like me with my M5 and it's "bouncy" buttons I think I could never use it
21:55:51pixelma*Its
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21:59:59pixelmaMaybe I wouldn't anyway, but that's another matter
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22:01:15gevaertsAre you *sure* these devices are actually usable for keeping passwords? :)
22:01:28__builtinyeah, it helps that they can type them automatically
22:01:40__builtinit's actually quite nice
22:02:27__builtinbtw, if this gets merged, it'll probably replace the keybox plugin
22:03:01gevaertsWell...
22:03:35__builtinin terms of functionality at least
22:03:44gevaertsIf you have to type in a password using the rockbox virtual keyboard to save having to type one on a proper keyboard, I'm not *that* convinced you're on the right track :)
22:04:46pixelmaAlso, not all targets have the ability to "type" these passwords back to the computer
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22:06:36pixelmaI'd even guess that it's the minority of all targets that have it
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22:11:44__builtinthe keybox plugin requires an encryption password also
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23:12:41[Saint]lol
23:12:49[Saint]I wouldn't really call that encryption.
23:13:01[Saint]Even if it meets the technical definition of the word.
23:13:32[Saint]"mildly annoying, just-ever-so-slightly-better-than-completely-ineffective obfuscation" I'll accept, though.
23:13:44[Saint]:p
23:15:40[Saint]FWIW, I'm pretty strongly in gevaerts' camp in this, also.
23:15:55[Saint]I can see the point in this plugin in theory alone.
23:16:50[Saint]If you have to use a truly horrid virtual keyboard to enter a passphrase just to have the device then enter the real passphrase I'm not entirely convinced you've won the war you set out to fight.
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23:57:09__builtin[Saint]: that's the issue I'm trying to solve

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