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#rockbox log for 2006-02-14

00:00:09 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-130.VIC.netspace.net.au)
00:00:10XavierGrnad teel us if it fixed the battery issue
00:00:30XavierGrwow you are the 100th guest here ashridah!
00:00:55Bagder101 actually
00:01:01JdGordonwe r busy today :)
00:01:15XavierGrhmm it is 100 fo me.
00:01:30XavierGrah 101 with the OP?
00:01:39Mode"#rockbox -o Bagder " by Bagder (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se)
00:01:45muesli__101..nice concert..
00:01:50XavierGryou got me.
00:02:09XavierGrthen elinenbe was 100th...
00:02:17JdGordonLinusN: is the min and max db value #defined sopmehwer for each target?
00:02:36*XavierGr wonders how elinenbe's name is spelled....
00:02:59 Quit Henrico ("[BX] Bender uses gtkBitchX. Bite my shiny metal ass!")
00:03:12XavierGrnow we are 100
00:03:30muesli__close the #..we are full :o
00:03:35elinenbeXavierGr: huh?
00:03:54elinenbee-l-i-n-e-n-b-e
00:03:56 Quit Rondom ("I'm leaving on a jetplane, don't know when I'll be back again...")
00:04:00LinusNJdGordon: firmware/sound.c
00:04:08JdGordonok
00:04:08elinenbefirst initial and then the first seven letters of my last name
00:04:30elinenbehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks
00:04:48elinenbeI've been around here forever....
00:04:49XavierGrelinenbe: with all those "e" I am not sure which one is like the "e" in BED or like the "e" in ME
00:04:54XavierGrso which is which?
00:05:21elinenbeE Linenberg
00:05:25elinenbeEric
00:05:38XavierGrah that makes sense
00:05:40elinenbehowever you want to pronounce it is fine with me...
00:06:14muesli__febs name is nice ;-)
00:06:29LinusNmichael?
00:06:42muesli__defebbo
00:06:46muesli__difebbo
00:06:47muesli__;)
00:06:59ZoricHi, does anyone now how I can scan and add replaygain tags to my mp3s on linux?
00:08:06ZoricI tried using normalize-audio which is in the Ubuntu repos, but it doesnt seem to write the tags so that rockbox understands them...
00:10:11Musicmadwhat do you know - finally got it working. g'night.
00:10:12 Part Musicmad
00:11:17MikachuZoric: you can use a program called mp3gain
00:11:19*muesli__ utters a tiny wish and hope somebody will hear it...1-minute-instead-of-15minutes-increases in sleeping time mode would rule...
00:11:37ZoricMikachu: does that work on linux?
00:11:41Mikachusure
00:11:52Mikachuit's one of those few programs that work on both linux and windows :)
00:12:15Mikachuit actually modifies the mp3 file, so it should work with anything
00:12:27Mikachuit is lossless
00:12:38Zoricbut I want it to not modify the file, just add tags. But I guess it does that too
00:12:44Zoricfound it the a repo :)
00:12:54Mikachuit's the only one i know about anyway, and use
00:13:08linuxstbIf you have Wine installed, you can try foobar (or other Windows apps)
00:13:29linuxstbI think people have asked here for such a tool in the past, but there doesn't seem to be one.
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00:14:09ashridahi've run into a utility called 'crip' that claims to do replaygain on mp3 files
00:14:15Zoricyeah, but I havnt really gotten around to installing wine, it seems quite difficult to get to work... and Im much to lazy to boot my windowsinstall :P
00:14:31ashridahbut i don't know if it *has* to do them while ripping, it doesn't make it overly clear, and i haven't looked
00:14:33Mikachuit works pretty much out of the box now
00:14:43Febs<muesli__> febs name is nice wink
00:14:52Febs^^I wasn't very creative when coming up with a nickname.
00:14:58Febs:)
00:15:00midkaylinuxstb, congrats and thanks for audio on 5g - made my day :)
00:15:10linuxstbZoric: "apt-get install wine" worked fine for me...
00:15:24muesli__so did i..i guess i was eating muesli when i chose it ;)
00:15:24linuxstb(I'm running Debian unstable)
00:15:34ashridahZoric: does your ubuntu repo have a utility called 'crip' in it?
00:15:50ashridah(might only be in debian)
00:15:53XavierGrmuesli: you can edit the cfg file
00:16:23XavierGrso go open your favorite cgf file and locate the option.
00:16:31XavierGrthen change the value to that of your preference.
00:17:16ashridahcomes from http://bach.dynet.com/crip/ if you can't find it
00:17:23muesli__which config? guess viewers.cfg its not
00:17:41Mikachusave your config first
00:17:42XavierGrno
00:17:48XavierGryour configuration file
00:17:52muesli__ah ok
00:18:07XavierGrwhich is generated when you save your settings
00:18:15linuxstbashridah: I've just downloaded crip - according to the man page, it normalises the audio, rather than calculating replaygain tags.
00:18:35ashridahdarn, then the explanation i read wasn't particularly accurate
00:18:56ashridahit'll pass replaygain-enable flags on to ripping/encoding utilities by the looks of it
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00:23:37linuxstbmidkay: Do you have a 5g?
00:23:46Zoricmp3gain does not seem to be able to save the replaygain info in tags as foobar2000 does... or can it?
00:24:15midkaylinuxstb, yep
00:25:14Paul_The_Nerdmp3gain *can* save the tags without editing the files. At least in Win32, a GUI version of it I tried once did
00:25:34Paul_The_NerdIf you chose to just "scan" the files instead of scan and write (or something like that) it would put the tags on without modifying the actual frames at all
00:25:35CassandraIs there any way to tell if a ripped MP3 has the correct encoding for gapless? I'm getting 'almost gapless' at the moment, and I'm wondering whether it's Rockbox or the encoder that's to blame (I use lame.dll).
00:26:35Mikachudid you use −−nogap ?
00:26:52CassandraYou can't use −−nogap with a DLL.
00:27:09ZoricPaul_The_Nerd: aah, found it in the man-file now. Will try it.
00:28:21Zoricit only writes tag by default, and if you want it to modify the file you have to specify it ;)
00:28:53muesli__XavierGr mmh..cant find the value
00:29:55CassandraBesides, aren't recent LAMEs supposed to contain internal data about the size of the last frame. −−nogap is a hack to split tracks on frame boundaries IIRC, which is something different.
00:30:09linuxstbmidkay: Have you tried the latest Rockbox builds?
00:30:23muesli__Cassandra i would use mpc for gapless trax to get rid of gap issues
00:30:27Paul_The_NerdCassandra: You could always try the files in a non-rockbox player that supports LAME gapless.
00:30:42midkaylinuxstb, i stayed a few minutes later than i should have this morning to compile for audio support.. was a build from about 9 hours ago early enough? :)
00:31:20linuxstbIf it has audio, then yes :) Have you tested many different files?
00:31:38Rob2222LinusN: Need more H300 testers on USB problem or are you fine?
00:31:47CassandraPaul_The_Nerd, problem is some of them 'cheat', so I still wouldn't know for sure.
00:31:57LinusNi'm fine, but please try the latest bleeding edge
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00:32:52midkaylinuxstb, just MP3s.. i tried a 320kbit one and a 192k one.. both skipped once in a while, i checked the audio thread and it kept trying to refill but emptied too quickly. is everything working though? wav/ogg/flac?
00:33:00Rob2222Hmm, the strange thing is, my H340 is clicking and my H360 not... *trytofigurewhy*
00:33:39Cassandramuesli__, if I were going to re-encode, I'd probably go wavpack.
00:33:40 Quit t0mas ("see you all tomorrow")
00:34:00muesli__how large are those files?
00:34:30CassandraIt's just I'm sure someone promised me that swcodec Rockbox would do 'proper gapless' at some point.
00:35:06CassandraOddly to my ear it doesn't sound like there's any actual silence between tracks.
00:35:18CassandraJust that the transition is somehow 'jerky'.
00:35:45CassandraI'd just like to get to the bottom of whether its my encoding technque or Rockbox that's to blame.
00:36:31Paul_The_NerdHow "jerky" do you mean?
00:36:48CassandraJust like there's a tiny jolt in track transitions.
00:36:54CassandraIt's *almost* not there.
00:37:05CassandraBut you know how it is with *almost*.
00:37:46Paul_The_NerdIs this on an iPod?
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00:37:59linuxstbmidkay: Yes, every audio format works in theory - I've had no problems with FLAC, 224kbps Ogg, 128kbps and 192kbps (CBR) mp3. But some codecs do struggle at higher bitrates.
00:38:01CassandraNope, this is H120.
00:38:02Mikachui had good gapless on my ipod with a flac album
00:38:13CassandraNot sure if I've got the same on iPod.
00:38:26Mikachuat afaict
00:38:31Mikachuat least*
00:38:31midkaylinuxstb, i should try again.. the 4-letter filenaming pisses me off though :) (side note: is there a way to build an id3 database on the 5g?)
00:38:43Paul_The_NerdCassandra: Another question: Are they replaygained?
00:38:48CassandraMikachu, getting gapless right is strictly an MP3 problem. They didn't think that people might want gapless when designing the format. F***wits.
00:38:51midkaylinuxstb, please tell me next up is faster lcd driver ;)
00:39:02Mikachutypical of germans
00:39:09CassandraPaul_The_Nerd, yes. But I use "album, track if shuffled".
00:39:26Paul_The_NerdI figured, but y'know, doesn't hurt to ask. :)
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00:40:07linuxstbYou can't blame mp3 - it is simply an mpeg elementary stream. It was designed to be used inside a container - but no-one ever did...
00:41:18Cassandratoo technical for me, I'm afraid. But it seems to me assuming that music will be exactly a set number of 'frames' is a bad thing.
00:41:21Paul_The_NerdCassandra: Apparently lame 3.90 or later *should* add the gapless info to the LAME tag by default.
00:41:50CassandraPaul_The_Nerd, That's what I thought.
00:42:42Paul_The_NerdThough I read that one person had problems with a "very slight hiccup" being added to the audio itself at the beginning of tracks
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00:43:53CassandraI'm using LAME 3.96 DLL 1.32 apparently.
00:44:08muesli__using x-fade kills excellent gaps either
00:44:31Paul_The_NerdIt was a program called ALL2LAME using 3.97b2 that did it for this person, but that doesn't mean the glitch couldn't happen elsewhere.
00:44:35Mikachuthere's crossfade on shuffle only
00:44:39Cassandramuesli__, but I don't want my tracks run into one another.
00:44:56Mikachuright, i misread that sentence
00:45:06muesli__nah, it sounds gapless. u wont notice it
00:45:25muesli__set all delays to 0 and fade in/out to 1-2secs
00:45:27muesli__try it
00:45:49CassandraI might do if there's no better way to solve it.
00:46:03CassandraBut I'd rather get it working right than work around it, if possible.
00:46:29muesli__just give it a try..doesnt cost a cent. but in general ur right ;)
00:46:37Paul_The_NerdCassandra: You may want to try the songs in an external program or two anyway, just to see if it's something the cheating can solve or not.
00:47:26CassandraWinamp ought to work, right? (I'm using the Japanese MP3 codec that supports ReplayGain.)
00:48:38Paul_The_NerdI have no clue, honestly.
00:48:39Mikachuemupiisurii
00:49:23linuxstbCassandra: foobar should give you perfect gapless - that's the reference preglow used.
00:49:45 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox!")
00:49:55CassandraOK - will try foobar.
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00:52:18CassandraRight. It's not Rockboxes fault, I can hear it in foobar too.
00:52:28CassandraVery slight though.
00:55:27 Part LinusN
00:57:03JdGordonradio is MHz or KHz?
00:57:09Zoide777very strange... 4g grayscale is back to having the inverted Apple firmware display!
00:57:13 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah")
00:57:23MikachuJdGordon: depends, is it fm or am?
00:57:30JdGordonfm
00:57:36preglowCassandra: there is no such thing as perfect gapless with mp3
00:57:46mikearthurpretty much
00:57:52mikearthurLAME does it pretty much perfect
00:58:03Cassandrapreglow: Bah. I want my money back.
00:58:14preglowyou may get the same artifacts with vorbis as well
00:58:17preglowbut it's far less likely
00:58:33CassandraWhat about wavpack?
00:58:35preglowit _is_ gapless, but there are phase discontinuities in the transition
00:58:38preglowwavpack is losless
00:58:40preglowlossless
00:58:46preglowso that has perfect gapless support
00:58:56CassandraErm, it's either, isn't it?
00:59:05preglowwell, yeah
00:59:13preglowbut the lossy mode is pure quantisation based, i think
00:59:29preglowso it'll still be very nicely gapless
00:59:50*Cassandra looks like I need to re-rip then.
00:59:52linuxstbYou can get perfect gapless mp3 if you simply encode as a long file and split on frame boundaries.
01:00
01:00:02*Cassandra stares at her 300 odd CDs.
01:00:02CassandraEww.
01:00:17linuxstbThat's always seemed a more sensible approach than hacks like lame headers.
01:00:23Cassandralinuxstb, yeah, I did that for The Wall and Tubular Bells.
01:00:27CassandraKind of fiddly though.
01:00:28Mikachuif ogg works better, why not use that?
01:00:38preglowlinuxstb: well, as long as you're willing to give up on exact rips
01:00:45preglowlinuxstb: the track transitions will be all over the place
01:00:56preglowi just fuck it and use a proper format instead
01:00:56CassandraMikachu, because wavpack has some neat features and, it appears, works better than ogg.
01:01:00preglowmp3 should be allowed to die
01:01:19*Cassandra uses MP3 for hysterical raisins.
01:01:39linuxstbpreglow: Can you notice if a transition is a few hundred samples out? It's already been moved artificially to a CD sector boundary.
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01:01:48CassandraWhen I can fit 500 albums on a jukebox losslessly, then I'll happily use lossless.
01:02:01CassandraBut I think that requries a 160GB disk.
01:02:04Mikachuogg isn't lossless...
01:02:14preglowlinuxstb: not usually, no, but i'd still not like to work around a formats shortcomings like that
01:02:34linuxstbHow many samples in a 44.1KHz mp3 frame?
01:02:38preglow1152
01:02:39Cassandralinuxstb, you can definitely hear the oddness when playing tracks that have been encoded like that on random.
01:02:46preglowon random, yes
01:02:47preglowindeed
01:03:31linuxstbI'm mainly thinking of live albums - where even a second won't make much difference to the transition.
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01:03:45CassandraGods my PCs speakers suck. I must replace them but it's not worth doing before I move.
01:03:47linuxstbBut if you have tracks like that, then I agree with preglow, use a better format.
01:03:53Mikachuif it's a transition anyway, does the exact cut point really matter?
01:04:08preglownot much
01:04:20CassandraMikachu, sometimes, yeah.
01:04:22preglowit's more for the tracks without transitions as such
01:04:44CassandraTwo tracks may segue and still have a distinct join.
01:04:46preglowgetting the first 500 samples of the start of the next track is nice when that track is not the next one
01:04:55CassandraA lot of Mike Oldfield stuff, for example.
01:04:59preglowsweet jesus, i'm tired
01:05:29preglowbeh
01:05:32preglowbed time, then
01:05:41aegray_preglow or linuxstb you still here?
01:05:44preglowbarely
01:05:46CassandraTake care preglow, and thanks for the info on gapless.
01:05:51aegray_you happen to have that pcf spec?
01:05:58preglowwhich?
01:05:59linuxstbIt's in our wiki.
01:06:02preglowit's in the wiki
01:06:03aegray_ah k
01:06:03aegray_thanks
01:06:06linuxstbIt's the same as the pcf50606
01:06:08*aegray_ lost everything
01:06:10aegray_yep
01:06:37linuxstbhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/pcf50606.pdf
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01:06:51CassandraDammit, I wonder how long Logitech are going to take to come out with a wireless version of the Z-5500.
01:07:34 Part Zoric
01:07:38aegray_thanks :)
01:08:32preglowwireless piece of shit
01:08:34preglowi hates hit
01:08:35preglowit
01:08:38webguest17did anyone else try the latest 4g grayscale build? the original Apple firmware shows up upside down again
01:09:05preglowcool
01:09:23linuxstbwebguest17: Do you like that feature?
01:09:25CassandraI think we'll call that a 'feature'. ;)
01:09:28linuxstb:)
01:10:37*Cassandra is getting increasingly tempted by an iPod Video. Does the battery life really blow?
01:10:38webguest17hehe
01:10:38linuxstbwebguest17: If you would prefer to keep the apple firmware the right way up, try this bootloader: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloader-4gtest1.bin
01:10:58 Nick webguest17 is now known as Zoide777 (n=800c5ab5@labb.contactor.se)
01:11:07Mikachujust turn your ipod over when you boot
01:11:17Zoide777haha
01:11:21Zoide777thanks linuxstb
01:11:22pillhttp://www.clubic.com/article-30765-1-z-5450-et-logitech-perd-le-fil.html
01:11:23pillCass
01:11:25***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:11:28pillthere is
01:11:37preglowCassandra: compared to the nano it seems to blow, yea
01:11:41pillexcept you replace the wires by electricity
01:11:44pillso..
01:11:46pilluselee
01:11:47pillss
01:12:02CassandraThe subwoofer on that isn't as good, apparently,
01:12:03Zoide777what really impresses me right now is how much *faster* rockbox boots
01:12:05linuxstbCassandra: They are extremely nice (especially the slimline 30GB in black). But I've never done any tests for battery life.
01:12:09Zoide777compared to one or 2 days ago
01:12:18Zoide777i'd say 3x faster at least
01:12:22CassandraAnd if I'm going to pay that much for speakers, I'd like to have them as good as possible.
01:12:35Cassandralinuxstb, I'd be getting a 60gb one.
01:12:35pilli have a z-680
01:12:40pilli'm fine so far
01:12:41linuxstbZoide777: Nothing has changed - did you switch to a different WPS?
01:12:42preglowlinuxstb: can you see any way out of the ui sluggishness issue, or are we just going to have to go two cores soon?
01:12:47CassandraAlready over 40gb on the iRiver.
01:12:57linuxstbCassandra: Nice - you can write the code to handle the fact that it has 64MB of RAM....
01:13:08linuxstb(using runtime detection...)
01:13:21preglowcan't do that
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01:13:27linuxstbpreglow: Can so
01:13:29preglowwe'd need to move the plugins and codec load address first
01:13:50linuxstbYes - just put them at the start of RAM, not the end.
01:14:01preglowi think amiconn said that wasn't trivial
01:14:05Zoide777linuxstb: i *was* playing around with wps's yesterday, but i guess it's hard to pinpoint what made the difference. I think it was after compiling & uploading the latest cvs bootloader and then overwriting all the rockbox stuff in the ipod with the latest rockbox.zip build
01:14:13CassandraSo the 60gb has more RAM than the 30. Weird.
01:14:18CassandraAnd unhelpful of Apple.
01:14:28CassandraThey aren't making our lives easy, are they?
01:14:58preglowswine
01:15:09linuxstbIt's not too bad - the worse that will happen is we will need separate builds.
01:15:15CassandraAlthough might be best just to cut the Gordian not and have an ipodvideo30 and ipodvideo60 builds.
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01:15:24Cassandraknot even.
01:15:25Zoide777what file controls the scrollwheel? I'd like to see if I can change it so that it accelerates after a while in the song list
01:15:27preglownah
01:15:33preglowthe runtime detection thing should be fairly simple
01:15:36Zoide777it takes too long right now w/ linear speed
01:15:40preglowbetter one build than two
01:15:50Cassandrapreglow, in theory I agree with you.
01:15:53MikachuZoide777: firmware/drivers/button.c
01:16:00CassandraIn practice, I'm not sure I want to write it.
01:16:00linuxstbI wonder if the pcm code could simply have a "hole" in the ringbuffer.
01:16:03preglowZoide777: firmware/drivers/button.c
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01:16:09Zoide777thanks
01:16:17Cassandralinuxstb, I love it when you talk dirty.
01:16:29preglowZoide777: but i'm not convinced that's the way to go
01:16:36Zoide777preglow: why?
01:16:41preglowZoide777: the acceleration part should be in the list viewer, not the button driver
01:16:43lostlogiclinuxstb: I had thought of that in order to be able to resize it
01:16:47Zoide777ah, ok
01:16:49CassandraApple claim up to 20hrs battery life on the 60gb model,
01:16:49Zoide777that makes sense
01:16:51lostlogiclinuxstb: would introduce a ton of extra logic
01:16:54preglowZoide777: because for every menu item you'd want to move, one event would have to be dispatched
01:16:54CassandraWhich I assume means about 15.
01:16:57lostlogicwell not a ton, but a lot
01:17:01linuxstblostlogic: so a bad plan?
01:17:02preglowZoide777: and the list viewer redraws for each event
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01:17:32lostlogiclinuxstb: I'm sure it could be done... might have to go back to statically sized buffer chunks to make it really feasible though
01:17:36Mikachui changed that delta to 10, it's impossible to control things with 4
01:17:36preglowhole in the ringbuffer = bad plan
01:17:40preglowdon't even consider it
01:17:42lostlogichah
01:17:48Zoide777preglow: the whole screen? wouldn't it be cheaper to just redraw the items that are changing?
01:18:13preglowZoide777: well, that's probably what it's doing, but that alone is more than slow enough that you can't make it scroll as fast as you want just because each keypress will take too long to handle
01:18:28preglowZoide777: so for acceleration to work properly, you'll have to hack the list viewer to skip several entires at once
01:19:03Mikachuor if you use the two 150mhz cores, you can make it scroll smoothly the whole way with motion blur
01:19:04preglowZoide777: and god knows how that is to happen with the current clickwheel interface. the list viewer doesn't know how fast it's scrolled, it just takes scroll events and treats them pretty much like if it was a button pres
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01:19:17preglowMikachu: and phong shading
01:19:20Zoide777preglow: i guess that wouldn't be too bad in terms of functionality... if it waits for a certain time, then starts skipping entries so you can get, say, to the letter P. then it stops skipping lines after you stop moving the wheel
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01:19:29Mikachuhaha, yes, definitely phong shading
01:19:34Zoide777preglow: hmm... i guess its not that simple then
01:19:58preglowZoide777: no it's not, i've thought about it myself, and it basically boils down to that everything that requires acceleration needs some kind of special interface for the clickwheel
01:20:08preglowZoide777: we can't just pretend it's a set of buttons anymore
01:20:34preglowif can imagine clickwheel handling is already very slow on video ipods thanks to this
01:20:48preglows/if/i/
01:20:52JdGordonhey, is it better to reuse tags in the wps for radio specific items? or make new tags?
01:21:40Zoide777preglow: could there just be some timer that waits, say 3 seconds and then makes the scroll events translate into 3 line skips? and then another timer that waits for inactivity for about half a second to restore it to normal
01:22:46Zoide777preglow: it wouldn't really measure how fast you're sliding your finger on the wheel, but it could help
01:23:10Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: It seems to me, at least, that the radio should use its own entirely separate WPS anyway since the data's pretty drastically different from Track/Artist/Album info.
01:23:28preglowZoide777: any solution that doesn't involve the event torrent the click wheel generates now is acceptable
01:23:41JdGordonye, but its working now with unmodified wps files.. so if i reuse tags it makes life easier...
01:23:54preglowZoide777: it's just a matter of making it as non-intrusive to the rest of rockbox as possible
01:24:11JdGordonalthough, i have added a new tag to check if its the radios creen or not... so adding new tags wouldnt be _much_ hassle..
01:24:20preglowif we port to h10, we're going to have this problem all over again, so might as well start prepare for some other control mechanisms than buttons
01:24:20Zoide777preglow: i guess it would have to be yet another menu option, hehe..
01:25:28Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Does it use the existing WPS though, or does it have a separate WPS for the radio screen?
01:25:36JdGordonexisintg 1
01:25:37preglowbut yeah, i believe the best thing to do is probably to add another button event which just indicates clickwheel movement
01:25:46preglowthen have another function where you can interact more closely with the clickwheel
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01:26:34preglowso that every screen can decide how to handle the clickwheel: either like it is two buttons, like now, or like it is the continuous surface it is
01:26:35Paul_The_NerdIck. I personally don't like that idea, but that's just me. Since a lot of the images for a normal WPS won't be used at all in a Radio WPS. Neither will the backdrop image fit the information as well in a lot of cases. Just my thoughts though.
01:26:53preglowlinuxstb: comment?
01:26:56Zoide777preglow: that sounds reasonable. I honestly don't know much at all right now about how rockbox is working under the hood, but it seems pretty crazy to try to make it homogeneous now that there are so many different targets
01:27:03linuxstbCould the scroll event have a value - i.e. how many clicks it has moved since the last event?
01:27:24preglowit would be a hack
01:27:27linuxstbBut there are two variable - time and distance we need to take care of...
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01:27:33preglowthe button event is a 32 bit bit field
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01:28:11preglowthere's also another issue
01:28:22preglowin order to not just have the same old problem again where we fire away zillions of events
01:28:32preglowthe button driver would need to start skipping some of those events
01:28:45linuxstbMy original thoughts were to have different scroll events - something like SCROLL_FWD, SCROLL_FWD_FAST and SCROLL_FWD_FASTER
01:28:49preglowand send them more seldom, so that the clickwheel position delta can grow a bit before the events are sent
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01:29:00preglowlinuxstb: that might work
01:29:09JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: i disagree... besides. it was easier this way :D
01:29:11preglowwe would not need many degrees
01:29:14linuxstbSo for example, SCROLL_FWD_FASTER would page-down in the list viewer
01:29:21aegray_you guys know about i2c interrupts?
01:29:27preglowaegray_: a little
01:29:41aegray_how do you tell which device the interrupt came from?
01:29:49aegray_do you just poll interrupt status flags on all devices?
01:29:59preglowhmm
01:30:02Zoide777or maybe the wheel sends an initial signal to a listener on the driver, and then the driver polls the wheel every so often until it somehow decides it's stopped?
01:30:12*aegray_ wants the pcf to interrupt on low bat
01:30:36preglowZoide777: that is what happens now, problem is still that the button driver needs to decide how often to send events
01:30:44Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Well, at the *very* least it'll need its own tags. That way, at least, all the conditional images for normal use won't show up, and if someone doesn't show anything but say Track Name, they can still have a functioning Radio
01:30:48preglowZoide777: the clickwheel is very sensitive, tons of events are sent just at a stroke of the clickwheel
01:31:09aegray_erm i'lll ask agai later
01:31:10aegray_g2g
01:31:25preglowit makes no sense for the list viewer to decide how often to poll, in the case of buttons, it wants to poll as often as it can
01:31:30preglowthe clickwheel is a special case
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01:32:59preglowbut it's hard to stay awake
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01:33:01preglowi need to sleep
01:33:16preglowsee you in a couple of days
01:33:18preglow*poof*
01:33:19webguest17preglow: k, get some rest. thanks for the help
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01:46:38JdGordonh300 users... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2643.0
01:47:06Zoide777for the song list display, is that just within list.c or is list.c called by something else like filetree.c, etc? I'm trying to find the code that deals with the scrollwheel like we were talking about a while ago
01:47:58XavierGrJdGordon any try to merge the 2 patches?
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01:53:53aegray_linuxstb: weird -thesame code is working for me and not for others on 5g :(
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02:05:23linuxstbaegray: That's because everyone else is incompetent
02:05:46aegray_haha
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02:11:07josh_linuxstb: Hey!
02:11:24josh_aegray_: pop, SEEKED!, dma not active, illegal instruction
02:11:31aegray_damnit
02:11:36aegray_why does it work for mine
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02:26:13jaebirdlinuxstb: what is this about upsidedown 4g gray?
02:27:01CassandraIt means that Satan pwns your iPod.
02:28:07linuxstbjaebird: Some people are still having problems with the apple firmware's display being wrong.
02:28:33jaebirdhmm...i'll do a cvs latest again and see...
02:31:01jaebirdhow often should we update the bootloader...i mean it is the rockbox that is changing right? what differences does the bootloader make if it boots?
02:32:08linuxstbjaebird: No difference - there is no reason to upgrade until something significant changes. The h1x0 has only had about 5 bootloader releases in the last year.
02:32:35jaebirdthat is what i figured...
02:33:25Zoide777linuxstb: what are page up and page down in list.c? in the 4g, is that how moving the wheel a lot is translated right now?
02:35:10Zoide777also, what does #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP stand for? don't all the targets have LCDs that use bitmaps?
02:35:54dpassen1Not the Archos Player
02:36:06Zoide777ah, ok
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02:40:12Zoide777linuxstb: what are page up and page down in list.c? in the 4g, is that how larger wheel movements are interpreted right now?
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02:40:58linuxstbZoide777: Look in list.h for the button mappings.
02:41:26linuxstbI did most of the button mappings about 3 months ago without giving them much thought - so feel free to suggest better.
02:41:52linuxstbLooks like PGUP and PGDN are not defined for the ipods.
02:42:04Zoide777oh, no wonder! i hadn't thought of looking at the .h, silly me. of course i was never going to understand what was going one
02:42:38linuxstbThere are about 4 or 5 different .h files under apps/ that define how the various parts of Rockbox handle buttons.
02:42:58Zoide777ok, thanks for the info
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02:43:32Zoide777wow, and there's even comments in the .h! looking at the .c by itself was kind of depressing :D
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02:57:18Zoide777linuxstb: ahhhh... i have an idea. it turns out page up/down makes the selection move by pages as opposed to item by item. for the ipod, I'm going to try to have a counter keep track of how many items have been scrolled in the current screen. so when the number goes above, say, 50, it clearly means you're trying to scroll down a big list, so we will treat the wheel as pg up/down instead of the ordinary up/down. then when the user clicks on Play
02:57:44Zoide777(it's more a patch than a fix, of course, but it might be useful in the meantime)
02:57:54Zoide777gotta shower though, brb
02:57:59Paul_The_NerdZoide777: So, what happens if they start paging down, get to the 407th entry, and need #408?
02:58:12Zoide777oh shit
02:58:13Zoide777hehe
02:58:25Zoide777i forgot, i had thought of a timer for stopping
02:58:30Zoide777but that's not easy, right..
02:58:37Zoide777at least not as easy as the simple counter
02:58:56Zoide777oh, now i remember
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03:00:23Zoide777so when you get to #407, you simply scroll *up*, which disables the pg up/down scrolling. the idea is that it would would do the fast scrolling to get down to some region of the playlist, and from there you can just nudge it up and have low sensitivity up & down until you scroll a large number of lines again
03:00:28linuxstbZoide777: The button driver in firmware/drivers/button.c receives an interrupt for every click the wheel is turned. It then sends a scroll event every 4 (I think) clicks - but only if the button queue is empty.
03:00:30Zoide777(downward, say)
03:01:04Zoide777linuxstb: so what does that mean?
03:01:18Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: there's a current bug with Hold
03:01:19linuxstbWhat you could do is keep track of the number of clicks since the last button event was sent, and if this is more than a certain number, send a new event, e.g. BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD_PAGE
03:01:38linuxstbAnd then map that to page down in list.h
03:01:41Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: If you turn hold on then off, until it scrolls (volume changes + or - 1) button presses don't do anything
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03:02:31Zoide777linuxstb: that sounds great. would i do that in gui_synclist_do_button?
03:02:51Paul_The_NerdThat was introduced, as far as I can tell, when the code not to queue scroll events when busy was added.
03:03:36Zoide777Paul_The_Nerd: so does that mean that the click counting would not always be reliable?
03:04:46Paul_The_NerdNo clue
03:07:06Zoide777well, I'll try and see what i can find out. you guys gave me some good ideas. (keep in mind this is my first go at the source code... well, except for the contrast line back when the whole screen would be dark). at the very least i'll learn a bit
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03:07:22Zoide777ok, now shower time
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03:46:08Rob2222_how does pages scrolling work?
03:47:47JdGordonhold down on and use the arrows
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03:48:44Rob2222_yes but what is the new paged scrolling in CVS?
03:51:42Rob2222_i cant see the difference whats new
03:55:46lostlogicRob2222_: it's a new setting of some sort
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04:02:53XavierGrRob did you started an new bench with Linus' changes?
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04:07:48Rob2222_hmm
04:07:55Rob2222_which changes?
04:08:52Rob2222_i thought it changes only the USB initialisation
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04:13:12Rob2222_will ask him tomorrow if it could be worth a try.
04:13:15Rob2222_good night alll
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04:44:56JdGordonany1 know if there is any targets without the lcd_bitmap and has a radio?
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04:55:03JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: do u know if there is any targets without the lcd_bitmap and has a radio?
04:56:49Paul_The_NerdI don't *think* so. I'm pretty sure the only target without LCD_BITMAP is the Archos Jukebox Player, and I don't think those have FM. I could be very wrong though, as I know very little about the Archos targets.
04:57:06JdGordonok, so ill leave that for now then
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05:04:59XavierGrvery bad results
05:05:33XavierGrno never mind
05:06:10XavierGrMaxtor Diamond MAX USB 2.0 80GB = 23.4MB/s average read.
05:06:57XavierGrMaxtor Diamond Max USB 2.0 82GB = 12.1 MB/s
05:07:31XavierGrToshiba MK6006 GAH USB 2.0 60GB = 13.7 MB/s
05:07:50XavierGrI must find more USB 2.0 HDs to compare.
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05:08:46XavierGra nice utility to test you HDs is HD Touch and it is freeware.
05:09:07XavierGrWhen I get my H340 back I will make another test.
05:11:00JdGordongrrr.. i cant get the peak meter goin on the radio screen :'(
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05:12:15JdGordonim not crazy right?? the peak meter works fine on the radio right?
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05:26:53JdGordonbugger... help.. any1 know wps code thingy?
05:26:59JdGordoni found a problem
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05:35:24XavierGrthe peak meter doesn't work on the radio
05:35:41XavierGror...
05:35:43XavierGrlet me check
05:36:46XavierGryes as I remember it doesn't work
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06:04:32JdGordondamn 30min fone call :D soory. back
06:05:34JdGordonanyway.. my problem is whit the wps code... i want to have a condiional to show 1 thing if the tags value is 0, and nother thing for any other number.. is that possible?
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06:56:48webguest49hi
06:56:57webguest49i'm having a problem with my 5g ipod
06:57:04webguest49when i click on a song
06:57:21webguest49the song will load but it will not play despite the play symbol showing
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07:12:20Zoide777for the people who're having problems with their hard drive, you should check whether it's in PIO or DMA: (http://www.michna.com/kb/WxDMA.htm). makes a huuuge difference
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07:37:34Bg3rMorning :)
07:41:02midkaymorning for you, "good night" for me :)
07:41:14Bg3rgood night, then ;)
07:41:22midkaythanks, see you :)
07:41:38Bg3ryep;)
07:42:14midkayAND! BE PREPARED, ALL YE. Clock plugin update soon!! Hooray!!
07:42:33aegrayits night. You should all follow that standard.
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08:07:04JdGordonhey LinusN
08:07:23LinusNyo
08:07:49JdGordonive got the radio wps pretty much finished.. cept i cant get the peak meter to work for some reason
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08:08:16LinusNi'm not surprised
08:08:53LinusNthe peak meter code is only run in the recording mode
08:09:20LinusNand i think it's a terrible waste of battery to run the peak meter when listening to radio
08:09:38JdGordon? for the radio before i started playing? no it shows all the time...
08:10:53LinusNthe peak meter works, and shows all the time?
08:11:02JdGordonit did before i started playing
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08:18:51JdGordonoh, while im playing in the wps code anyway... will u be annoyed at all if i add a new tag to show the volume in fake % to make everyone happy?
08:20:32JdGordonLinusN: ..
08:21:12LinusNdo that
08:21:20JdGordonok, cool
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08:26:00Bg3rops :)
08:28:18Zoide777jdgordon: that would make me very happy :D
08:28:35*JdGordon aims to please :D
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08:32:26*Paul_The_Nerd still doesn't get the "draw" of a % display.
08:36:49LinusNi can't understand why some people need a percent display so badly
08:36:57LinusNtotally beyond me
08:37:20JdGordoncoz alot of ppl dont care about the db value.. they arnt audiofiles.. % is a nice convienient number
08:37:51LinusNit's just a number
08:38:09LinusNthat happens to be negative
08:38:09JdGordonyes, but its a nicer number (for some) than -3
08:38:28JdGordonanywho.. its added..
08:39:01JdGordonand now to merge my radio patch with XavierGr's and then to the patchtracker
08:39:04LinusNbtw, you don't need top be an audiophile to appreciate the db scale
08:39:14LinusNyou just need a brain
08:39:20JdGordonhaha
08:39:37JdGordonhaving the - is what makes it wierd tho...
08:39:56LinusNperhaps, i just can't see the big deal
08:40:15LinusNUp/Down still adjusts the volume, like always
08:40:21JdGordonwell.. why have the display at all even? if its too quiet turn it up.. its just a cosmetic thing...
08:40:38Zoide777has anyone here had any luck creating fonts for rockbox?
08:40:40LinusNtook me 20 minutes to get used to the db scale when i got my first device with db scale
08:41:06LinusNZoide777: yes
08:41:23LinusNwe've had some luck
08:41:34LinusNsince there are a lot of fonts in rockbox
08:41:34Paul_The_NerdHaving a display be numeric rather than just visual only really seems to make sense to me if the numbers mean something.
08:41:51LinusNPaul_The_Nerd: amen
08:41:54Paul_The_NerdBut I still kinda get the "100% is more intuitive" thing, in a way. I just don't get why some people get so incredibly angry either.
08:42:39LinusNme neither
08:43:08LinusNZoide777: are you trying to convert a ttf font?
08:44:27*Paul_The_Nerd also doesn't own a single device with a percent scale.
08:44:40Paul_The_NerdThey're all 0-20, 0-30, or 0-40 or just sliders.
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08:46:29Zoide777LinusN: well, I'd like to make a unicode font w/ chinese characters but that isn't as big as unifont
08:46:40LinusNZoide777: lovely
08:46:44Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Is XavierGr's the patch that lets you load fmr files?
08:46:44Zoide777hehe
08:46:50JdGordonyu[
08:46:51JdGordonyup
08:47:11Zoide777LinusN: I got fontforge for cygwin/x11, but I'm not too sure I'm doing things right
08:47:32Zoide777LinusN: have you done this before?
08:48:04LinusNyes i have, but not in cygwin. how far have you come?
08:48:47Zoide777well, i can run fontforge and all, but then I open a unicode ttf and I'm not sure how to convert it correctly
08:49:11Zoide777LinusN: and then convodf or whatever it's called kept giving me segfaults
08:49:49LinusNZoide777: you are supposed to create a bitmap font in fontforge, and save it as BDF
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08:53:56Zoide777LinusN: ok, well first of all fontforge gives an error when opening the ttf. it says "The Postscript font name "[chinese characters
08:54:02Zoide777oops, pressed enter
08:54:33Zoide777LinusN: ]" is invalid. It should be printable ASCII, must not contain #$@#$% or space and must be shorter than 63 characters
08:54:54Zoide777LinusN: then I click OK and it opens up the grid of letters
08:54:57LinusNwell, give the font a non-chinese name then
08:55:33Zoide777how do you do that? I mean, the filename itself is not in chinese
08:57:27LinusNi guess the font has an identifier in the font structure
08:58:49Zoide777well, I'll try that later. so now i opened a different unicode font, and it didn't give any errors. but when I go to File −−> Generate Fonts, the box with BDF doesn't let me select BDF
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09:01:44LinusNi dont' remember
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09:24:03aegrayhow in general do you discern differnt i2c device interrupts from one another?
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09:40:51CassandraRight - I think that's a decider. I'll be acquiring an iPod.
09:40:58CassandraIn a clever usage of interface technology already built into the Arcam Solo, Arcam has developed the rLead which uses the dock connector found on the bottom of iPod to communicate directly with Solo. Arcam's Solo music system has gained a worldwide reputation for being the best sounding single box music system ever made. Now, with the new Arcam rLead, it will become the perfect way to playback from
09:40:58Cassandra the iPod too. Control of the music is simple, as the central control keys on the Solo operate the iPod in the same manner as the iPod's own control wheel. Listings of music by Artist, Genre, Album and Track are all available, as well as feedback on transport controls such as Play, Stop Fast Forward and Rewind. Now available in stores - contact your local authorised Arcam dealer for more informatio
09:40:59Cassandran
09:41:29*Cassandra bounces at the thought of implementing this for Rockbox.
09:45:01Zagorthat's one of the few actual hardware advantages of the ipods: their dock is prepared for communication with outside devices, allowing external displays and intelligent controllers
09:46:54CassandraYeah, and one of the (many) advantages of the Solo.
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09:47:02CassandraMy Solo rocks my world.
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09:50:16CassandraDamn - all the people selling really cheap iPods on eBay look like con artists. (Bet that surprised you.)
09:50:52Zagor:-)
09:55:37JdGordonyay.. manually patching a failed patch is fun :'(
09:56:41*lostlogic resumes pondering ipod 5g purchase now that RB plays music on it
09:56:52CassandraJdGordon, I didn't know you were into BDSM.
09:57:04Cassandralostlogic, get an Arcam Solo to go with it. ;)
09:57:09JdGordonhaha...no
09:57:13aegraylostlogic: what are you pondering?
09:57:16aegraygetting one?
09:57:24lostlogicaegray: right
09:57:39lostlogicCassandra: apparently −− what is this solo thing? *googles*
09:58:50Zoide777hmm... so I was able to convert a unicode font to Rockbox. But all the letters are unaligned vertically (all the words look wavy). Does anyone know what could be the reason?
09:59:44lostlogicCassandra: naw, I don't need one of those. I play all of my music through my logitech speaker system, what I really need is a DAP with digital out to take advantage of the speakers' digital in.
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10:04:43LinusNZoide777: no, i don't
10:06:45markunZoide777: Zoide777 maybe try this and then edit the font: http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/ttf2bdf.html
10:07:40JdGordonwee that was fun...
10:07:55JdGordonXavierGr: i had to manually patch raido.c and .h.. compiling now to see if it works...
10:09:35safetydanI really haven't got the foggiest idea why the Win32 sim is broken. Those functions its complaining about are there.
10:10:09Zoide777markun: thanks, but that's what I already used to conver the font. I actually got a working .fnt on my ipod, but the text looks all "wavy"
10:16:27markunZoide777: how small do you want to make the font?
10:18:13DJDD___Heya
10:18:19Zoide777well, I'd say about the same as the 6+12x13 font, maybe a bit bigger
10:18:55Zoide777hmmm, just tried simsun and it works alright
10:19:27Zoide777the problem with these big fonts is in the wps
10:19:28Zoide777nothing fits
10:19:31DJDD___Hey i just got a new H340. I've finished putting rockbox on and its great. But one thing that has been pissing me off is that the screen keeping turning off, and i'll be damned if i know how to stop that. Is that the 'backlight' settings maybe?
10:20:15B4gderDJDD___: 1, the OF does that too, and 2 you want that to save batteries and 3 with backlight off you can't see the screen anyway
10:21:16DJDD___I know the old firmware did it too, and i know it saves the battery, and i'm fine with that. But it does it WAY too soon. Like i barely have time to read the song title
10:21:35B4gderthat's the backlight timeout setting, yes
10:21:51DJDD___Ok nifty
10:22:30DJDD___Whats caption backlight?
10:22:49B4gderswitching on backlight just before it changes song
10:23:13safetydanWell at least my SDL sim changes seem to have fixed audio playback crashes under Windows http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2604.from1139907371;topicseen#msg18382
10:23:21DJDD___Actually scrub that, is there a H300 option menu manual in the wiki yet? I took a quick look and only found the H1xx one. Or is it all basicly the same?
10:23:42B4gdersafetydan: goodie!
10:23:47B4gderDJDD___: they
10:23:52B4gder're basically the same
10:24:04DJDD___kk
10:24:31Cassandralostlogic, yeah - that would be nice. One of the things I really wish the Solo had was a digital-out.
10:25:03safetydanone step closer to SDL world/rockbox domination
10:26:05DJDD___Speaking of digital-out, why does it sound so crap when you plug head phones into it?
10:26:44LinusNDJDD___: :-)
10:27:00DJDD___heh, heya Linus
10:27:33DJDD___I bit the bullet and bourght a H340, still waiting on H140 spare parts though :P
10:28:20LinusNwhat parts?
10:28:55DJDD___erm, well, everything save for the HDD and case i guess.
10:29:08LinusNoh
10:30:35DJDD___I'm about to convert a movie to one rockbox can play, does it work all that good so far?
10:31:09B4gderit doesn't work at all so far
10:31:16DJDD___haha
10:31:21DJDD___sick
10:31:31DJDD___So whats the 'how to' thread for?
10:31:46B4gderthe how to thread?
10:32:45DJDD___Ah, or does video work on the OF and not rockbox?
10:33:06B4gderyes
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10:33:15DJ_Dooms_DayAh
10:33:19DJ_Dooms_DayFair enough
10:33:27JdGordonhaha my comp sux.. i cant watch a divx while cygwin is compiling...
10:34:44JdGordonis there a script to compile the whole thing for every tager in 1 hit? i wanna check if there my patch adds any warnings or errors to any targets...
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10:37:04B4gderno there isn't
10:37:11JdGordonbugger
10:37:21B4gderevery target is like 20 targets and we have 3 sims...
10:37:42B4gderon a regular cygwin, a build take 5-6 minutes, that's... a very long time
10:38:21safetydanJdGordon, you can just build for the majors, SWCODEC, LCD_CHARCELLS, etc
10:38:32safetydanso, player, h120, h300, and one of the iPods
10:38:49safetydangives a pretty reasonable coverage
10:39:00*B4gder agrees
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10:45:40webguest56safetydan, do you think you could look at the playlist patch please, hardeep doesn't seem to be interested
10:46:27Zoide777for rockbox, does it make a difference whether we convert fonts with hinting or not?
10:48:09B4gderZoide777: doesn't matter
10:48:36LinusNi'd say it matters a lot
10:48:40safetydanwebguest56, where was the patch again?
10:48:43B4gderit does?
10:48:49webguest56one sec please
10:49:09LinusNof course, the ttf->bdf conversion will be a lot better with good hinting
10:49:54LinusNhowever, for the bdf->fnt conversion there are no hints
10:50:05webguest56safetydan its here http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1255322
10:50:06LinusNsince the hints is a truetype thing
10:51:26safetydanwebguest56, I'll look at it again, but I'm working at the moment so nothing will probably happen until this evening
10:51:46aegraytune?
10:51:48aegraysorry
10:51:52webguest56safetydan, thank you
10:52:03B4gderalso, is there a reason hardeep wasn't "interested" ?
10:52:09B4gderhe is after all mr playlist
10:52:18webguest56no idea
10:52:21B4gderok
10:52:27Zoide777LinusN: i c. then i suppose it's best to just keep it on anyway in otf2bdf
10:52:41LinusNabsolutely
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10:54:00JdGordonhmm.. how hight should ipodpatcher go before giving up? we r at 15 and cant find it...
10:54:15JdGordononly 6 drive letters r used ont he comp...
10:54:58JdGordonthe ipod is drive d on the comp...
10:55:13JdGordoncould it be user rights or something blocking ipodpatcher?
10:56:41JdGordonLinusN: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1431344&group_id=44306&atid=439120
10:56:49CassandraYou get a different errormessage if the PhysicalDevice doesn't exist, to if it's not an iPod.
10:58:19LinusNJdGordon: if you want this patch accepted, i suggest you only implement the wps stuff
10:58:40JdGordon:( y? the preset stuff is good 2
10:58:50LinusNyeah?
10:58:56JdGordonumm... i guess so
10:59:49LinusNfirst of all, we don't like to commit several changes at once
10:59:59LinusNmakes it hard to track changes
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11:00:07JdGordon:/
11:00:27Zoide777LinusN: do you ever get "wavy" fonts when converting to rockbox?
11:00:38LinusNwith the preset patch included, this patch is HUGE
11:00:52LinusNZoide777: i can't remember seeing that, no
11:00:54JdGordonye, i noticed that
11:02:13*JdGordon will be back in 20
11:02:26LinusNand it makes it virtualli impossible for me to review your wps changes
11:02:44JdGordon:'( it was a bitch to merge the 2 together... but i undertsand
11:02:50JdGordonbbs
11:03:10Zoide777so what are these big patches about?
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11:04:09LinusNZoide777: a wps for the fm radio screen
11:04:34Zoide777oh
11:05:45safetydanbah, webguest56 left. I was about to ask him if shebb ever posted the newer version he said he had. Would save me time if he's fixed most of the issues LinusN raised with it.
11:06:42Zoide777oh btw i messed around w/ list.c and got my scrollwheel idea working
11:06:45LinusNsafetydan: i really like that patch
11:07:07Zoide777it's not very neatly implemented though (i bet it only works on the 4g)_
11:07:26Zoide777(i mean my thing hehe)
11:07:27safetydanLinusN, It does look good and I like the idea
11:09:23safetydanIt's just annoying when they've made updates but never posted them.
11:09:50B4gderyes indeed
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11:22:33Lynx_"Add paged scrolling option." Didn't we have this already?
11:22:50LinusNno
11:22:58Lynx_ah, not as a setting, right?
11:23:16perpleXahi
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11:27:43LinusNLynx_: you'll notice what it is when you try it
11:28:55perpleXawhich compiler do i need to compile the source?
11:31:27B4gderperpleXa: you tried the docs?
11:31:43perpleXadidnt found it on the page
11:31:54B4gderthere's a "for developers" section on the docs page
11:32:07perpleXamaybe i should have a look at it :>
11:32:08perpleXathx
11:32:15peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
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11:33:15perpleXawell, i want apev2 tag support, can't someone add that patch by default? :/
11:33:42safetydanI think APEv2 support is coming, just requires some rejigging of internals to work in the nicest possible way
11:34:30perpleXahm, so i'll just wait :)
11:34:59perpleXai fucked my gentoo box.. dont wanna compile it with cygwin now :P
11:35:45safetydanCould be a while.
11:36:25perpleXawell, if it's going to be there in this year, i'm fine with it :)
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11:43:30JdGordonwhats the cvs command to get any changed files and revert back to whatever is on the cvs?
11:44:54ZagorJdGordon: rm * && cvs up
11:47:26Bg3rJdGordon just remove the changed files
11:48:06JdGordonye, i was hopoing there was a more automatic way...
11:48:51JdGordonok, done :D
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11:55:51*JdGordon needs nooob help again...
11:56:26JdGordonactually forget it
11:56:36perpleXalol
11:57:02perpleXai guess you wont if you would have state that question directly :)
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11:57:27JdGordoni cant word the question so i dnot sound like an idiot.. so ill just figure it out :D
11:58:37JdGordonno, i do need help... i need to get the diff of 2 files so it can be used in a patch... cant use cvs diff...
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11:58:55JdGordonanyway.. diff file1 file2 > patch gave a wierd looking output
11:59:00JdGordonnot like the cvs diff output
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11:59:11nounoursJdGordon: -Nru
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12:00:57tucozI just noticed a minor display bug in the radio screen. If I press select on my h120 it says 'no presets', but the bottom part of the splash is not cleared. That is, below the peak meters.
12:01:39JdGordonye.. investigating...
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12:05:06webguest24one question, is rockbox working acceptably for iriver H340??
12:05:06JdGordonhell ye
12:06:29webguest24?
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12:07:30tucozwebguest24: I think you will be satisfied if you installed Rockbox on your h340.
12:07:35JdGordonyes, it works
12:08:22webguest24aha! nice! what parts are fine and what parts still need developmend for H340? I read in the message board that sound recording is already working
12:08:49ashridahwebguest24: there's a list of workign features in the wiki, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/
12:09:08webguest24that makes me happy, I waited months for seeing rockbox in my machine, I will try it soon
12:09:11tucozRockbox is always in development, and that includes development for the h300 series.
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12:09:46tucozhello
12:09:46webguest24one question, I think you can maintain both rockbox and iriver firmware active isn't it?
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12:10:00t0maswebguest24: you can
12:10:12webguest24perfect! :)
12:10:15tucozYes, that is how it's done. You boot the original firmware with a keycombo
12:10:17ashridahwebguest24: yes. rockbox provides a bootloader that's patched into iriver's firmware that allows it to boot both
12:10:32webguest24should I download the latest daily build?
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12:10:43t0masthats your choise
12:10:51t0masthe latest daily contains all the newes features
12:11:00ashridahwebguest24: that's the only one available, but you'll also need to read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot
12:11:12t0masbut it might also contain some bugs... so if you install that... make sure to check back regular to get a new one
12:11:15webguest24no, I am asking what build should I get, I don't want to destroy my machine :)
12:11:30t0masah, it won't destroy it
12:12:01ashridahwebguest24: the daily build can't fatally break your unit. rockbox boots from the hard drive, so if rockbox messes up, you can fall back onto iriver's firmware and install a new copy
12:12:09ashridahthe bootloader sees to that
12:12:16t0masyou can reboot back to the iriver firmware... but the daily builds can have small bugs... that can make rockbox not do what you want it to
12:12:20muesli__webguest24 check http://www.misticriver.net/forumdisplay.php?f=137
12:12:39webguest24hey people, you are very helpful really thank you
12:12:51t0masnp
12:12:52webguest24if you tell me I can, I will install rockbox in my H340
12:13:06muesli__webguest24 check http://www.misticriver.net/forumdisplay.php?f=137
12:14:02webguest24Yes muesli, I have opened the page you gave me
12:14:24muesli__have a look...ull find everything you need
12:14:37tucozDo you have an us or international h340?
12:14:42webguest24I have a lot to read :) I will come back if needed
12:14:56webguest24I have the american H340 but with korean firmware on it :)
12:15:07tucozOk, then it's ok
12:15:16webguest24version 1.28K
12:15:36webguest24is there any newer official firmware release I should get?
12:15:45webguest24or is this one the good one?
12:15:58webguest24official, not rockbox
12:16:22tucozRockbox doesn't care about official firmware. As long as the official is listet on the iriverboot page it is supported
12:16:38webguest24ah ok :)
12:16:44webguest24thanks anyway
12:16:49webguest24I go reading
12:16:50webguest24bye
12:16:52tucozJust download the fwpatcher.exe and patch a official hex
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12:18:10JdGordonLinusN: still there?
12:18:19LinusNyup
12:18:35JdGordonok i split the 2 patches again... http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1431344&group_id=44306&atid=439120
12:20:02LinusNJdGordon: why have you replaced spaces with TAB?
12:20:18LinusNalmost every line differs
12:20:30JdGordongrr.. i thought i set it to use spaces.. not tabs
12:21:01LinusNbefore you submit a patch, take a look at the patch file to see if it makes sense
12:21:17JdGordonit looks fine here... wordpad has 4 space tabs :D
12:21:35B4gderyou'll see several pointless changes
12:21:37LinusNno, the patch file can't look fine
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12:21:57LinusNalmost every line is changed in the patch
12:22:37LinusNnah, not every line
12:23:25safetydancan always do cvs diff -buN instead
12:23:35LinusNsafetydan: no
12:23:35safetydanbut that breaks if you want to keep changes in whitespace
12:24:03B4gderusually a few changes in a patch are like that
12:24:09LinusNwith -buN, you still get those nasty TAB's on the lines that have actually changed
12:24:18safetydantrue
12:24:58safetydanhrmm... apparently you could do cvs diff −−expand-tabs
12:25:24LinusNor just get a decent editor
12:25:32safetydanvim for life yo!
12:25:42LinusNemacs :-)
12:25:52JdGordonprogrammers notepad 2 :p
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12:28:10JdGordongrr.. ok, patch updated again.. i changed tabs to spaces and its using \n for line ends
12:30:15LinusNi see you have changed many tags
12:30:32LinusNfor example filesize
12:30:36JdGordonah, ye
12:30:41LinusNwhy?
12:31:31JdGordona few.. because im faking an id3 tag, some settings need to get put in a id3 value which doesnt make sense.. so its just so if they use the tag on the wrong screen it wont look wrong
12:31:55LinusN"look wrong"?
12:31:59JdGordone.g the frequency should be in mhz if its radio and hz in normal
12:32:23perpleXaany plans of making an installer for ipods?
12:32:29LinusNi don't think any wps tags should work in the fm screen if there isn't a perfect match
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12:32:49LinusNthey should just be empty imho
12:32:59JdGordon... more work to do :p
12:33:16LinusNor even have a separate set of tags for the two screens
12:33:21*perpleXa persuades LinusN to apply the apev2 patch to the cvs files
12:33:22perpleXa:)
12:33:35LinusN:)
12:33:49B4gderperpleXa: I doubt it was fixed since you asked just a few hours ago...
12:34:05perpleXame neither
12:34:13perpleXai just want someone to add it ;)
12:34:15JdGordonno, coz changing some tags means that its easier to make wps's... ive added 7 radio specific tags.. but it will wps;s will work unchanged with this
12:34:29LinusN"work unchanged"?
12:34:53LinusNwhy should they work unchanged?
12:35:06JdGordonumm...
12:35:20LinusNthere is no concept of title, artist, album, time etc in the fm wps
12:35:40JdGordonso u want every tag that doesnt work in fm to return NULL?
12:35:56LinusNor simply not be translated
12:36:05LinusNlike unknown tags do
12:36:08*JdGordon is way to lazy... this is why i did it this way..
12:36:20ashridahhmm. apparently someone's broken the EFI security on osX for intel, so it'll boot on non-mac machines
12:36:31JdGordoncool
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12:38:25perpleXaashridah: sounds like i dont have to run osx on pearpc anymore.. with a speed of 1/500 of a real ppc :)
12:38:31LinusNJdGordon: if i were you, i would extend the wps_data struct to include fmradio specific data
12:38:59JdGordonye ok..
12:39:55LinusNhmm, wait a sec
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12:42:50LinusNJdGordon: please don't zip the files
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12:43:21JdGordoni did it coz sf only lets u upload 1 file at a time.. coz they suk
12:44:09*LinusN silences the l33t-spk detector
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12:44:19webguest59Hi
12:44:32webguest59Im very pleased I got the Rockbox bootloader and Rockbox itself on my iPod Video!
12:44:57JdGordonits gonna be a HUGE pain to disable all the invalid tags on the radio screen... u really sure u want that?
12:45:11LinusNwhy would it be a pain?
12:45:49Bg3rbut... ? :)
12:45:58webguest59all iPodbox needs is a little polish and it would be awesome!
12:46:10B4gderwebguest59: join in and make it happen!
12:46:28webguest59lol if only I could program! (which I can't!)
12:46:28JdGordone.g the 'p' case (Playlist/Song Information) i was about to just break out of it.. but no.. the time and volume and stuff is under that.. each sub case needs to be escaped individually..
12:46:38webguest59However I've been using Rockbox since it first came out on the Archos
12:47:06webguest59Would the Crossfader and the forthcoming EQ work on the iPod?
12:47:07LinusNJdGordon: break it up into two switch() branches
12:47:21LinusNone with the radio tags and one with the regular ones
12:47:22B4gderwebguest59: yeps
12:47:37safetydanwebguest59, forthcoming EQ? it's already there and working :)
12:48:00webguest59yea well I've just got iPodbox on my iPod and the EQ seemed to have no effect
12:48:11LinusNJdGordon: and then you only handle the "R" tags in the radio case
12:48:26safetydanwebguest59, it's switched on right?
12:48:55JdGordonu mean switch on the screen type?
12:49:04LinusNif (wps_state.wps_type==WPS_TYPE_REGULAR)
12:49:17LinusN /* handle regular WPS */
12:49:18LinusNelse
12:49:24LinusN /* handle radio wps */
12:49:36webguest59I;ll have another look
12:49:55webguest59I would like to make my own colourful WPS
12:50:25webguest59with some nice gradient effects on the text
12:52:16LinusNlunch time
12:52:27JdGordonbon apatite
12:54:44webguest59Will iPodbox also support photos and videos?
12:55:04B4gderit will support everything someone writes code for
12:55:14B4gdercurrently it shows jpegs in greyscale
12:55:18B4gderand there's no video
12:56:07webguest59ok
12:56:28webguest59but I like the way that iPodbox does not use the itunes database
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13:10:44webguest59yea I got the EQ working
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13:30:41*safetydan wonders if someone is going to get worked up enough over the dB issue to fork Rockbox
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13:32:20Nuxatorhello all
13:32:37Nuxatorcan someone help me with cygwin dev?
13:32:41B4gdersafetydan: I doubt it, we move at a very high speed so maintaining a fork is a true pain
13:33:01Nuxatori made a clean install foloowing rockbox website in struction
13:33:07Nuxatorbut i get an cc1 not found
13:33:15B4gdergosh
13:33:31B4gderNuxator when you do what?
13:33:38Nuxatornow
13:34:03Nuxatorwhen i try to build sdl simultator h1x0
13:34:48Nuxatorgcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory
13:35:17B4gderyou seem to have gotten a screwed up gcc install
13:35:20safetydanDid cygwin break something recently or are those instructions wrong?
13:35:43LinusNNuxator: install from a different cygwin mirror
13:36:03Nuxatorok i'll make another clean install
13:36:08Nuxatorany mirror to suggest
13:37:24LinusNftp.sunet.se works fine
13:38:43Nuxatorok
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13:48:30Rob2222LinusN: Do you think your USB changing on H300 could change the battery life? (should i make a bench?)
13:51:03safetydanSpeaking of CVS visualisations (or at least someone was on the forums). Has anyone looked at http://www.cenqua.com/fisheye/ ?
13:52:16B4gdernope
13:52:37safetydan"free" for opensource projects
13:52:44B4gderyeah "please apply for a license."
13:53:45safetydanIt's pretty much just ViewCVS on steroids. But if you were going to add CVS visualisation, that's what I'd look at.
13:54:08B4gderI don't really see what good it offers
13:54:15B4gderexcept for some amusing stats
13:54:17safetydanShiny graphs?
13:54:22LinusNRob2222: it is *possible*
13:54:24safetydanRSS feed for change sets?
13:54:29B4gderI like graphs, I do
13:54:49safetydanNot advocating, just offering if someone an option was of a mind to do it.
13:54:54safetydanDon't see too much value in it
13:55:50B4gderme neither
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13:56:43Nuxatorok it works now thanks
13:57:11safetydanboy did my second last sentence not make any sense
13:58:28ashridahhahaha
13:58:35CassandraDo we have a Rockbox slogan at all?
13:58:46safetydan"Catch the digital flow"?
13:58:55B4gder"eat the digital cow"
13:58:55Zagor"How hard can it be?"
13:58:59Nuxatorthat's Iriver's
13:59:19CassandraI like eat the digital cow.
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13:59:44*Cassandra ponders. "Your music. Your choice."
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14:00:01Cassandra"Rockbox: because fair use is not theft"
14:01:08NuxatorRockbox because most mp3 firmware are not that god
14:01:18Nuxatorgood
14:01:25B4gderRockbox: "A coffee break well spent"
14:01:34Nuxator^^
14:01:48*Cassandra is looking for something snappy to get laser engraved on an iPod that I'm not in any way thinking about buying.
14:01:59safetydanRockbox: It really whips your DAPs existing firmware's ass.
14:02:03safetydannot very catchy
14:02:03Lynx_Rockbox: make your player break it's limits!
14:02:20B4gderRockbox: "Persons without lives improve your life"
14:02:26NuxatorRockbox sounds good and beyond
14:02:32Lynx_hehe
14:02:36Cassandrasafetydan, that's almost as bad as "Rockbox inside" or "Make your box rock"
14:02:37Zagor"Rockbox: make your player break"? ;-)
14:02:38safetydanIs it real or is Rockbox?
14:02:41safetydanis it
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14:02:56peturRockbox. Plays music and more
14:03:00Cassandra"Musique sans frontieres"
14:03:12B4gdernow we're talking!
14:03:24Lynx_Rockbox: more options than you can shake stick at
14:03:41B4gder"enough to make your kids dizzy"
14:03:52CassandraBut I don't have any kids.
14:03:55simisui just stopped by to say thanks for making Rockbox!!!
14:04:01Lynx_Rockbox: regain control over you backlight
14:04:05B4gderhehe
14:04:18simisuto anyone that's involved with it... really... thanks!!!
14:04:20safetydanThere's always the "golden quotes", Rockbox: Sounds like a bag of sh*t
14:04:21B4gdersimisu: you're welcome, ending up in the midst of silly slogan attempts
14:04:24Cassandrasimisu, you're very welcome. I did most of the work. Don't believe what these others saY.
14:04:34B4gderhaha
14:04:38simisu:)
14:04:41*B4gder bows in the presence of Cassandra
14:04:50Cassandrasafetydan, I'm not sure I'd want that immortalised.
14:05:06CassandraAlthough the other GoldenQuote is good.
14:05:39safetydanNot short enough though. Isn't the engraving limit 60 characters or something?
14:05:41simisui'm gonna update to the latest in a few minuts and if that scrolling issue is not fixed i'm coming right back to bash you all :O)
14:05:54B4gdersimisu: that's the spirit! ;-P
14:06:21B4gderRockbox: "software for whiners"
14:06:27B4gder*g*
14:06:47Cassandrarockbox: It sucks since they changed the volume
14:06:50safetydanRockbox: Volume is measured in dB dammit
14:06:57LinusN"Rockbox: simply better"
14:07:15CassandraLinusN, there's nothing simple about Rockbox. ;)
14:07:15Lynx_Rockbox: One size fits all* *supported devices may not be in production anymore
14:07:16NuxatorRockbox : your dap wil be everlasting
14:07:17simisurockbox: should i bother with the original?
14:07:19safetydanSomeone has to ruin it by making a sensible suggestion :)
14:08:36Lynx_Rockbox: for all you DAP gaming needs
14:08:41Lynx_s/you/your
14:09:33peturrocks your box more than the original firmware
14:09:40CassandraRockbox: because MP3 players so needed a DOOM port.
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14:11:49peturRockbox: gets the best out of your DAP!
14:14:13NuxatorRockbox you dap is now pda
14:15:10petur... goes where no DAP firmware has gone before ...
14:15:34MoosRockbox: your DAP improving everyday
14:16:02peturRockbox: and your DAP suddenly becomes usefull
14:16:22Moos:-)
14:17:26LinusN"rockbox: doesn't suck as much"
14:17:37Mooshehe :)
14:17:56CassandraFinding new ways to make MP3 players suck. ;)
14:18:23B4gder"makes use of your paperclips"
14:18:34peturhahaha
14:18:37Mooshaha :D
14:18:46Cassandra27 characters/line, apparently.
14:18:51CassandraThat's not much.
14:19:03petur"makes you bend a paperclip"
14:20:07CassandraRockbox: WTFM
14:20:39NuxatorA serious querstion
14:20:57CassandraNooooOooooo!
14:20:57Nuxatoris there any battery control before spining the hd on iriver?
14:21:20LinusNno
14:22:02Nuxatorbecause on iriver if write fail it automaticly switch off but when tryiong to fill buffer it doesn't
14:22:16Nuxatorso my h140 is ticking because of failed spin up
14:23:09Nuxatori think it isn't good for hd life
14:23:28B4gderI'd suggest you consider charging
14:23:44Nuxatorsure ^^ but sometimes i'll let music play
14:24:01CassandraActually we already have an unofficial slogan, thinking about it.
14:24:07Cassandra"It'll be done when it's done."
14:24:29Nuxatorit sound's likge duke nukem
14:24:56CassandraExcept we do actually release code.
14:25:10CassandraWe just don't make any promises when.
14:25:58peturRockbox: you never knew your DAP could do
14:26:04Nuxatorso i think it shoulb be an protection : if spinning fails more than x times force switch off
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14:26:45B4gderI bet it won't be able to try very many times until it doesn't even have power for trying ;-)
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14:27:31Nuxatoryes it has
14:27:41Nuxatormine player can try to spin up for minutes
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14:32:05NuxatorI'mmaking a test
14:32:15Nuxatori managed to boot qith low battery
14:32:33Nuxatordisk tried to spin 3 or 4 times before it could load firmware
14:33:00Nuxatorlooks like it can pin and read few bits before failing
14:34:10Nuxatormy battery is at 3.36v
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14:39:21simisuso yeah.... i'm back and scrolling is still flaky as hell... when scrolling fast songs stop playing and continue once scrolling stops... sometimes if i want to stop at a certine dir it will start to back up then go further and if i try to change direction again the screen starts to flicker (all black as if i haven't tuched it for a while)
14:41:32simisuand also it's not as fast as its supposed to be..... (sometimes it is though... in the last build if i was playing a song then scrolling would be in the set speed (fast) but right now even when playing it's not fast...)
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14:53:28simisuscratch that last bit... when playing a song it does fit the set speed... still when no song is playing scrolling is slow!
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14:54:31Zagorow crap, sorry lads...
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14:54:52Zagorsorry simisu, I restarted the web server
14:55:13Zagorthe different speeds you see is because the firmware is clocking the cpu at different speeds depending on how much power is needed
14:55:17simisuthat's ok...
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14:55:57simisubut then why would it be slower when NOT playing?
14:56:24Zagorbecause when not playing, we don't need as much cpu. so we lower the speed to save battery.
14:56:30simisualso screen goes off while scrolling is not really friendly...
14:56:40*t0mas is away: to the gym
14:56:50Zagorsimisu: agreed
14:56:54simisuso it's on purpose?
14:57:40Zagorwell, ideally the scrolling should adapt to the current speed so it's not as noticeable
14:57:46simisui want to scroll as fast as i can... i have one huge dir with loads of cds... doesn't make sense to limit it when i can actualy set it the way I want it!
14:58:15Zagorif we don't limit the speed, we limit battery life. you can't get everything.
14:58:34LinusNsimisu: you mean the backlight goes off when you hold a button to scroll?
14:59:27simisuyup back light goes off... and if scrolling continues it actualy flickers untill scrolling stops (and then it's just a black screen untill you tuch it again)
14:59:45simisualthough i
14:59:46LinusNhaha, which platform?
14:59:47simisu...
14:59:59simisuIriver H340
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15:00:08LinusNthat's a nice bug
15:00:36simisualthough i'm not sure if it's while pressing or when i've already stopped pushing it and it just goes on scrolling...
15:00:58LinusNbetter make sure before filing a bug report
15:01:40LinusNtime to go, cu
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15:02:11ZagorFYI: I'll be restarting the web server again in a minute
15:02:23simisuhaha... ok....
15:02:37Zagorinstalling some new modules
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15:26:15safetydanEither it's really slow deleting things on the H120 or something's wrong. Should it take five minutes (and counting) to delete a 300 Mb directory?
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15:28:43Bg3rsafetydan how much files
15:29:20safetydan10000 apparently
15:29:23safetydanthat's probably why
15:29:33safetydanunlinking each of those is going to take a while
15:29:39CassandraGiven a choice between KLM and SAS, which is better?
15:31:07Bg3rsafetydan try this on a PC with DOS without <how was called its cache driver> ...
15:32:14petursmartdrive?
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15:33:54safetydansmartdrive sounds right
15:33:59Bg3rah, yes
15:34:04safetydanIt's a bit annoying since I can't do anything else to it at the moment
15:34:09safetydanno volume, stop, track change or anything
15:34:13safetydanso I've got one song stuck on loop
15:34:16safetydanthat'll teach me
15:34:33*petur is amazed his memory still works after a lousy night in a 'sleeping bus'
15:35:04Bg3r:)
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15:43:51safetydanbe nice if you could abort file operations
15:43:55safetydan(yes the delete is still going)
15:45:58peturwho keeps 10000 files of 30KB on a DAP anyway? ;)
15:46:19safetydanme
15:46:22safetydanby accident
15:46:24safetydanwoo
15:46:26safetydanit finished
15:46:52safetydan25 minutes that took
15:50:01*Cassandra pokes the Swedes. Any preference between SAS and KLM for flying?
15:50:43safetydanNot Swede but flew SAS once. It was okay. About BA level of service. No food though in economy
15:50:53safetydanOr at least not free food.
15:51:00peturisn't SAS more expensive?
15:51:17muesli__Cassandra klm crashes more often ;)
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15:52:20Cassandrapetur, they're actually about the same for the flight I want.
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16:06:26Sanitariumis there a visual basic chanell here on freenode?
16:09:20Lynx_is there any information on the wiki on wps's and themes?
16:13:19XavierGrBg3r: Are you here?
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16:14:40safetydanLynx_, like this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS ?
16:22:51Lynx_safetydan: yes, thanks
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16:30:35Sanitariumyou know rockbox downloader?
16:30:41Sanitariumanyone got the source to that?
16:32:32XavierGrask Cassandra
16:32:37XavierGror Membrillio
16:32:41XavierGrthere are 2 at the moment
16:32:47Sanitariumhhm
16:32:48Sanitariumthanks
16:32:54Sanitariumi PM'd membrillo
16:33:02Sanitariumcassandra here?
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17:04:20webguest80there should be a rockbox for the iPos Shuffle :-)
17:04:49muesli__yeah...with customizable wps ;-)
17:05:01Sanitariumand make it not shuffle
17:05:01Sanitarium:D
17:05:13muesli__anti-shuffle-patch ;)
17:05:23webguest80lol
17:05:36Mikachumaybe you could at least get some more formats supported
17:05:42webguest80yea
17:05:55webguest80perhaps the Shuffle is entirely hardware driven
17:07:08webguest80well I am impressed with Rockbox's initial layout on the iPod
17:07:42PaulJI have a question: how can i start the sdl simulator with the player image and not only the screen?
17:08:46safetydanPaulJ, ./rockboxui −−background
17:10:05PaulJah, thank you
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17:29:01*safetydan starts looking Shebb's playlist patch
17:29:19safetydanthis could take a while
17:29:25safetydanpatch doesn't apply anymore
17:35:17linuxstbsafetydan: Thanks for fixing the key mappings in the ipod sims.
17:41:55*ghode|afk hugs his shiney new 60gb 5G
17:42:14ghode|afknow to isntall rocbox or itunes first :/
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17:59:24blueyis it possible to load ipl with rockloader?
17:59:41Mikachuyes, just put linux.bin in your fat32 /
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18:11:27safetydanlinuxstb, no worries. I like easy fixes :)
18:12:24blueyMickachu: how exactly? rb loads automaticly Rockbox
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18:17:42linuxstb_bluey: If you want to start IPL, you need to press and hold PLAY when your iPod is booting. Note that you have to press it _very_ early, just before the apple logo appears.
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18:18:49blueyok works thx
18:19:19blueygreat kernelpanic =)
18:19:58linuxstbThat probably means it can't find your ext2 partition.
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18:25:00webguest24any hopes for the w32 sims?
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18:26:33safetydanwebguest24, if I get a chance to reboot in to Windows I'll take a look at the problem
18:26:39safetydanbut I'd say try and get the SDL sim to work first
18:27:00webguest24alternatively, can the sdl sim be cross-compiled for windows, on linux?
18:27:26safetydannot at the moment
18:27:30webguest24gotcha
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18:27:52webguest24I guess I'll just use it on linux (not too keen on installing cygwin)
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19:02:25tidejpHello everyone... I am not new to Rockbox world neither looking for any answers here....
19:03:26tidejpin fact I just would like to take some minutes before going to bed here in Japan to thank you all for your efforts in porting and creating a wonderful rockbox version to the h300's!
19:03:34tidejpthank you all!
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19:03:46Mikachuoyasuminasai :)
19:03:54tidejpoyasuminasai!
19:03:58tidejp:-)
19:04:12tidejpsoshite, honto ni arigato!!
19:04:19tidejpRockbox no minasama!
19:06:45tidejpand good luck on the rockbox conference, Linus and all of you that are taking part on it.
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20:13:19safetydanokay, I vote linuxstb for the "Most unreliable connection" award
20:13:31mymomthelushaye
20:14:33yeahxworse than undernet?
20:14:49*t0mas votes for himself
20:14:58t0maslast 2 days I had 4 disconnects...
20:15:06t0masall over 10 minutes
20:15:13Paul_The_NerdI think linuxstb averages about one every 2 hours.
20:15:15XavierGrhaha
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20:15:23t0masbut he has short ones ;)
20:15:30XavierGrI don't have disconnects but I have the crappiest DSL connection
20:15:34*t0mas uses BNC so I don't quit IRC
20:15:50XavierGrMy ISP will not allow me to sent more than 20 packets pre second
20:15:55Paul_The_NerdI have cable internet, and it actually works okay
20:15:57linuxstbI blame my dodge ADSL microfilter - I lose the connection whenever a phone call is started and finished.
20:16:05XavierGrImagine trying to p2p, online gaming or VoIP.
20:16:10t0maslinuxstb: that sucks...
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20:16:21t0masXavierGr: and fragmentation ;)
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20:16:27t0mastry sending 1501 bytes
20:16:30t0masthats 2 packets ;)
20:16:42XavierGryou get the idea....
20:16:55XavierGrI can have better VoIP with dial-up than aDSL
20:17:10*t0mas never had problems before...
20:17:15t0masand today everything was fine too
20:17:22XavierGrand I pay 40 euros / month for 384kbps down and 128kbps up!!!!!!
20:17:34t0masdamn
20:17:56t0mas40 for 4 mbps down and 1 mbps up
20:17:56XavierGr(with packet limiting that even my ISP doesn't know how to fix, oh and this is like half of the Greece not only me)
20:18:19t0maswith great ping times
20:18:20Paul_The_NerdI get 4500kbps down, apparently.
20:18:37XavierGrnah my ping times are more than 150 for normal sites.
20:18:37t0masand business services because I wanted 4/1 instead of 8/0.5
20:18:42Paul_The_NerdWhich is odd, since I'm supposed to be getting about 2/3 of that, as a maximum.
20:18:45XavierGrI am jealous
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20:19:10t0masgoogle.nl:
20:19:12t0masAntwoord van 66.249.93.104: bytes=32 tijd=12 ms TTL=244
20:19:26t0mas(Windows in dutch ghehe)
20:19:29t0masgoogle.com
20:19:35t0masAntwoord van 66.249.93.99: bytes=32 tijd=15 ms TTL=244
20:21:06t0masPaul_The_Nerd: a friend of me has that too... but "worse" he has a 4/1 adsl2 connection, with voip telephone on the same line... and het gets about 1,6 MB/s so that's more than 10 mbit...
20:21:34t0masupload is lower than the 1 mbit he should get... but he's not running any servers... so he doesn't care
20:22:39Paul_The_Nerdt0mas: Actually, on off hours, I've gotten about 1.6MB/s downloading on a few torrents. It's not a peak hour right now, but it's also very definitely not the same as say, 4AM
20:23:43t0masghehe
20:24:05yeahxI have comcast and I hardly go over 200k
20:24:14t0masyeahx: adsl or cable?
20:24:27t0masPaul_The_Nerd: and upstream?
20:24:35Paul_The_Nerd384kbps. Pretty miserable.
20:24:42yeahxmy voip limits my connection some so I should get a router but it doesnt limit it that much
20:24:45yeahxcable
20:24:57yeahxI think I need to ask them about that because Im paying too much
20:25:02Paul_The_NerdBut, since I don't *need* upstream, it's not a big deal.
20:25:03t0masPaul_The_Nerd: yeah... that is slow...
20:25:35t0maswell... I switched from 8/0.5 to 4/1 just because I don't download that much... and I'm running some servers here
20:25:42yeahxId consider buying my own modem if it wasnt too expensive and if I thought it would make it better
20:25:46yeahxso I might ask them
20:25:47Paul_The_NerdI mean, I'm paying for the cheapest "cable internet" package they had. I don't even remember what I was supposed to get any more, but I know my down is much higher, and my up isn't low enough to cause me problems gaming, so I'm happy enough
20:26:00t0masghehe
20:27:34t0mashmz...
20:27:38t0masanybody seen this warning:
20:27:39t0mashttp://www.rockbox.org/~tomas/showlog.cgi?date=2006-02-14%2011%3A47%3A06&type=FM%20Recorder%20-%20Simulator
20:27:45t0masand the same here: http://www.rockbox.org/~tomas/showlog.cgi?date=2006-02-14%2018%3A34%3A59&type=Ondio%20FM%20-%20Simulator
20:27:57t0masOndio SDL sim and FM recorder sim
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20:31:11Paul_The_NerdDoes anyone in here know much about headphones?
20:32:25yeahxI know a little
20:32:29yeahxthey make sound
20:32:37Paul_The_NerdHehehe
20:33:10Paul_The_NerdI don't have money for "nice" ones at the moment, but my current ones are dying, so I'm looking for like $25 or less "decent" ones, and have no idea where to start.
20:33:21Paul_The_NerdPeople have suggestions *all* over the place for more costly ones
20:33:33yeahxand mine sound good but they have to be put backwords and upside down to fit right
20:33:43Paul_The_NerdHahaha
20:34:10yeahxthe ones I have sound great and are around that price
20:34:58*t0mas has simple Sony ones for my day to day listening
20:35:06t0masE 19,95
20:35:13t0massound great for that price
20:35:31yeahxbut for me the longer wire is on the wrong side so I put them in the wrong ears and to get them to stay in and not hurt I turn the stems up and forward a little and put the cord around my ears :)
20:36:41Paul_The_NerdI'm looking at some Koss ones.
20:36:59yeahxeeew
20:37:26Paul_The_NerdEeew?
20:37:33yeahxI thought they would be good because they basically invented headphones, but I havent liked their cheaper ones
20:38:29Paul_The_NerdSee, I'm reading a lot of people saying fairly good things about these, and they're $13.99
20:39:38yeahxinteresting
20:40:02XavierGrBger are you here?
20:40:05yeahxthe ones that came with my old rio were alright but their inner ear ones with expanding foam sucked
20:41:31Paul_The_NerdWell, these are the over the ear, but not full size types. Y'know, flat round pad.
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20:48:17t0maslinuxstb: you really are going for the disconnect record....
20:49:09FebsPaul_The_Nerd, Koss KSC-75 are a great value for the price (about $20 USD). They're open headphones (clip on), so they don't block outside sounds. They're highly recommended at head-fi.org.
20:49:23linuxstbt0mas: :) I've just ordered myself a new ADSL microfilter. Hopefully that will fix my disconnect problems.
20:49:30FebsKoss "The Plug," on the other hand, are (IMHO) terrible.
20:50:10t0maslinuxstb: I'm happy that SSH connections are fairly trouble-proof
20:50:12Paul_The_NerdFebs: I was looking at the KTXPRO1s. I'm more a fan of the ones that go over the top of the head, as clip ons eventually drive me nuts.
20:50:33linuxstbt0mas: Well, I'm a good test for your build system...
20:50:37t0masjup
20:50:44t0masit reported your server as failing just once
20:50:48t0masand skipped it without problems
20:50:52FebsI'm not familiar with that model.
20:52:05Paul_The_NerdIt sounds pretty similar to the KSC75, but in an over the head "portable stereophones" form factor, from the look of their description
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20:53:32yeahxthats it, the plug, lots of hype but totally crap
20:54:57FebsJust did a quick Google on the KTXpro1. I'm guessing that it's the same driver as the KSC75 but in an over-the-head version. For $14, you really can't go wrong.
20:55:23Paul_The_NerdYeah, that's kinda what I figured.
20:55:34FebsIf you want to get into the next pricing tier, Sennheiser PX100 and Koss Portapros are both fairly well regarded, with the PX100 probably getting the edge.
20:56:19Febs(just so you know, I've owned both The Plug and the KSC75 ... my other recommendations are based on what other people have reported.)
20:56:23Paul_The_NerdWell, I actually want some fairly good ones, but right now, I want to buy the cheapest ones that won't cause me pain until then
20:57:48Mikachuam i stupid or can't you zoom in apples jpeg (photo) viewer on the nano?
20:57:56Paul_The_NerdI don't believe you can
20:58:03Mikachuthat's pretty impressive
20:59:20yeahxI had some of those senheiser px100's
20:59:37yeahxthey are nice
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21:00:55thegeek_Febs : just how comfortable is the whole clip-on thing ?
21:01:01thegeek_I've already got a pair of shure e3's
21:01:39thegeek_not sure if I need the ksc-75's ;)
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21:05:37AlienkindIs this the right place to participate in the port of rockbox to the gigabeat player ? I would like to learn more about the status on that matter...
21:11:28webguest10Paul_The_Nerd: check these out as well - http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Panasonic-Back-Band-Headphones-RP-HG17-/sem/rpsm/oid/68198/catOid/-12938/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
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21:11:54XavierGrSomeone claims on MR that he run Half-Life on H300
21:12:06XavierGrSeems a troll to me casue there is no link or screenshot
21:12:14XavierGrhttp://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=393492&posted=1#post393492
21:12:15webguest10Not audiophile quality but well worth $15...
21:12:17ghode|afkheh funny
21:12:27ghode|afkthey are just using a doom2.wad
21:12:38ghode|afksame thing happened when someone ported doom to the psp
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21:13:08Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: I think it's a Half-Life mod for Doom
21:14:27Febsthegeek_, I wear glasses, so I'm not very fond of the clip-on. It gets annoying after a while. With the E3s, you probably don't need the KSC75 unless you need an open headphone for situations where the isolation of the E3s doesn't work for you.
21:15:07thegeek_mhm
21:15:30thegeek_I was getting a little bored with my e3's, but with the equalizer I love them once again
21:15:45yeahxarent those the pricey ones?
21:15:49thegeek_this is actually my third pair, thanks god for warranty returns;)
21:15:59thegeek_depends what you mean with pricey;)
21:16:08yeahx$100+
21:16:10thegeek_yes
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21:16:46thegeek_I think I paid 130? without shipping
21:16:56thegeek_used a rebate code though
21:17:34Febs130 is about the going rate, if you're talking USD.
21:17:36yeahxcant get backlight to turn off
21:17:48FebsE4s can be had for about $180 USD.
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21:17:56yeahxon a nano
21:18:02yeahxdang that sucks
21:18:20thegeek_this was 2 years ago Febs;)
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21:18:30thegeek_back then it was a very good price for them;)
21:18:31Paul_The_Nerdyeahx: What's the backlight time out set to?
21:18:33yeahxsenheisers were $50 and thats the most Ive paid for headphones, they were stolen so now I suffer
21:18:42thegeek_hehe
21:18:57yeahxIve tried it different settings, I have it on 5 now
21:18:59thegeek_after getting the e3's I got bitten with the audio bug
21:19:08thegeek_and got the sennheiser 595's
21:19:10thegeek_a dac
21:19:18thegeek_and built myself a headphone amp (m3)
21:19:58yeahxwhen I set backlight to off it still comes on
21:20:39yeahxand stays on
21:23:19Paul_The_NerdWeird. I've never had any backlight issues with mine.
21:25:15imphasingI have this nice pair of studio cans that are REALLY good.
21:25:22imphasingI hate in ear ones though
21:25:46ghode|afkhmm can anyone answer a quick itunes q? does itunes have to have the exact same song db as the ipod?
21:26:10Paul_The_NerdHow do you mean?
21:26:45linuxstbI think you can sync subsets of the itunes database.
21:26:47ghode|afkcan i have a different set of songs on my ipod, and in itunes?
21:26:59Paul_The_NerdYes
21:27:28ghode|afksince i would prefer to keep all my music on my ipod and nothing on my pc, i dont want itunes to wipe my player each time i plug it in
21:28:08yeahxPaul_The_Nerd: your using a nano?
21:28:26Paul_The_Nerdghode|afk: I think it's possible, though I don't really know how, since I didn't use iTunes much, and I don't use it at all since rockbox
21:28:29Paul_The_Nerdyeahx: Yes
21:28:45yeahxyeh you turn off the sync setting
21:28:56yeahxare you using the lattest build or older one?
21:29:35Paul_The_Nerdyeahx: Doesn't have the last two commits, but neither of those should affect it
21:29:39ghode|afkyeah i was hoping to make a transistion from my h140 but playback isnt 100% yet so i thought i'd see what all this itunes fuss is about
21:29:53Paul_The_Nerdghode|afk: Define "isn't 100% yet"
21:30:18ghode|afkskipping like crazy on the 5g
21:30:24Paul_The_NerdAh
21:30:36yeahxmaybe I should get the older build then?
21:30:37Paul_The_Nerd5g, gotcha
21:30:38ghode|afki think i adopted too soon ><
21:30:41linuxstbghode|afk: What kind of files are you playing?
21:30:45yeahxwhat nano do you have?
21:30:52ghode|afkbut i waited for the h140 i can wait for this
21:31:09ghode|afklinuxstb: 192kbps mp3
21:31:10Paul_The_Nerdyeahx: 4 gig. Shouldn't make a difference, unless the 1gigs have some hardware changes
21:31:17linuxstbghode|afk: VBR?
21:31:21yeahxI have a 2gb
21:31:22ghode|afkyes
21:31:33Paul_The_Nerdyeahx: Identical in all ways 'cept for the storage then
21:32:09yeahxwhen was the last time you updated?
21:32:15linuxstbOK. It works with 192kbps CBR files, so obvious the peaks in bitrate are too much for the CPU at the moment. You could try having an extremely simple WPS, and make sure there is no peakmeter.
21:32:27yeahxI dont know what you mean by doesnt have the last 2 commits
21:33:29ghode|afklinuxstb: this was with boxes, which is pretty simple. but i can give the default a try
21:33:42Paul_The_Nerdyeahx: As in, my version doesn't have the last two changes made, one of which is a language update, and the other only affects simulator builds
21:33:48ghode|afkyeahx: <yeahx> yeh you turn off the sync setting > where can i find this setting?
21:34:12yeahxin itunes ipod settings
21:34:35ghode|afk"manually manage songs and playlists"?
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21:34:48yeahxyes
21:35:04ghode|afkok thanks
21:35:35ghode|afkbtw from my tests so far with some ex71s the ipod sounds much clearer then the h140
21:40:00muesli__which gen?
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21:40:15ghode|afk5g
21:40:33muesli__is that the one including video?
21:41:11ghode|afkyeah
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21:42:38Paul_The_Nerdyeahx: Okay, the problem seems to be that "Backlight: Off" doesn't work (it's the same as backlight: On) but do you have any problems with actual times?
21:42:48yeahxI guess if I set backlight to 1 second I'll be ok
21:42:56Paul_The_NerdWell, it is a bug that needs fixing
21:43:04yeahxno problems with the times
21:43:12yeahxwow Im glad I could help
21:43:26yeahxif anyone even noticed, Im sorry I was a smart ass recently :)
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21:44:06yeahxI was asking for help installing and being ignored ofcourse, thats just how things are and I expected it but I got rockbox installed
21:44:26yeahxI should meantion that on the forum or submit a bug report?
21:44:49Paul_The_NerdBug reports shouldn't be submitted for iPods yet, I believe.
21:45:28Paul_The_NerdI imagine it's a small bug, so it's probably just a matter of getting the attention of someone who can commit a quick fix
21:45:34yeahxoh ok
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21:46:45yeahxsometimes pressing menu only goes back and forth between the directory and menu, shouldnt it get back to the now playing screen?
21:47:03yeahxbut your version lets you turn off backlight?
21:47:13yeahxstrange
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21:49:09Paul_The_NerdNo, mine doesn't
21:49:20Paul_The_NerdI hadn't tried turning it off before. I thought you were saying it doesn't fade
21:49:40yeahxoh ok
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21:51:00yeahxhow long have you used rockbox on your nano?
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21:51:23Paul_The_NerdSince before it had sound
21:51:59yeahxwow, what did you use it for?
21:52:07yeahxdo you play ogg?
21:52:37yeahxand do you use rockbox full time?
21:52:40Paul_The_NerdAt the time, I was just playing around with it. I'd boot into rockbox for games.
21:52:44Paul_The_NerdAnd yeah, now I use rockbox full time
21:53:20Paul_The_NerdI need to figure out the backlight logic. It doesn't mate sense. I can, with a very small tweak, change it so that "Off" means permanently on, and "On" means permanently off, but I need to figure out *why* this change does that
21:56:42mymomthelushlater bro im out
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21:57:42Paul_The_NerdWell, I have things to do. I'll look at how the setting's handled later, and put up a patch if it's not fixed by the time I get back.
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21:58:25yeahxcool
21:59:35*safetydan looks a bubble sort routine in a patch
21:59:42safetydannow I haven't seen one of those for a while
21:59:46safetydanlooks at even
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22:02:00yeahxhope my battery doesnt die on me today
22:02:39yeahxI think it wasnt fully charged yesterday, it sucks not knowing how much battery is left
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22:23:33FebsIs there a list of iPod keymappings anywhere?
22:24:06Mikachuonly in the source i think
22:25:35FebsWhat is the button to return to file browser from WPS? Preglow? Linuxstb?
22:26:49vcait's the center button on my nano
22:27:58FebsThanks, vca. What about the Quick Menu?
22:28:03yeahxdoes listening to ogg files eat more battery than mp3?
22:28:28Bagderyeahx: most likely, yes
22:29:08vcaFebs: MENU, i _think_ −− lemme detach the nano from usb to check
22:29:11yeahxdamn
22:29:30yeahxI guess I wont be using ogg as much as I wanted
22:30:10yeahxso the only rockbox benifit for me is gapless mp3s I guess
22:30:32vcaFebs: center button is filebrowser, MENU is quickmenu
22:31:20Bagderyeahx: it still does many things better, like booting blazingly fast (compared to OF)
22:31:25vcaFebs: ver 060209-0302
22:32:03yeahxalrighty
22:32:47FebsThanks. I'm helping someone on the head-fi forum, and since I haven't yet compiled the sim for the iPod, I don't know the keymappings.
22:33:15MikachuFebs: hold down select
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22:33:21vcayeahx: you a nano user? the largest benefit for me is the absence of iTunes DB
22:33:54Mikachumenu is just the normal menu
22:34:58vcaMikachu: aah i see. wasn't clear on the terminology. apologies, Febs
22:35:31yeahxoh ok, I dont really mind itunes so much
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22:38:39FebsNo problem. Thanks to both of you for the help.
22:38:52*Febs goes off to compile an iPod sim ...
22:42:18Mikachuthere's a menu somewhere that gets stuck so you have to restart
22:44:12Mikachuhttp://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-incomplete-playlist-menu-fix.patch fixes it
22:44:19Mikachuit seems i didn't add it to the patch tracker yet
22:44:56Mikachuoh yeah, i put it in bugs, not patches
22:45:05Mikachuhttps://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1430212&group_id=44306&atid=439118
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22:53:44muesli__ghode|afk there?
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22:59:49muesli__is the ipod video supported so far?
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23:00:05Mikachui think i heard it plays audio
23:00:17Shadowarrior13Not that I know of.
23:00:32Shadowarrior13If it played audio, you'd think there was a daily build.
23:00:35Kensirit plays audio...supposedly very chopily
23:00:37Shadowarrior13>.<
23:00:38muesli__mk
23:00:41Kensirther is a daily build
23:00:45Shadowarrior13wtf?
23:00:51Kensirfor rockbox...
23:00:56Shadowarrior13I've been gone ONE DAY, and it's supported.
23:01:05Shadowarrior13Swear to god...
23:01:22Shadowarrior13I'm going to slap someone -_-
23:01:30Kensiryea
23:01:30Kensirthis happened last night
23:01:30Kensirhaha
23:01:30DBUGEnqueued KICK Kensir
23:01:30Kensirlife moves fast
23:02:53Kensirok
23:02:59Kensirlets give this 5g install a go...
23:03:11Shadowarrior13I'm already on it :P
23:03:27Shadowarrior13I've already got it ready.
23:03:33CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:03:33*Cassandra has her 5G on order. ;)
23:04:08Cassandra(Since I also found out yesterday that I can get a cable that allows me to control the iPod using my stereo remote.)
23:04:14*Cassandra poings.
23:04:23Shadowarrior13lol
23:05:28muesli__Cassandra 5gen = ipod video?
23:05:42*Cassandra nods. Yup.
23:06:09Shadowarrior13Extracting...
23:06:09muesli__do you own an iriver as well?
23:06:16CassandraYes.
23:06:26ghode|afkmuesli__: 5g playback is very choppy for me
23:07:00muesli__ok..i am just curious about its sound quality compared to an iriver at all
23:07:16muesli__earlier or l8er my h330 will die
23:07:17Shadowarrior13Testing...
23:07:24Shadowarrior13GOD FU**ING DAMNIT
23:07:38Shadowarrior13I've been doing something wrong with my bootloader or something.
23:07:49ghode|afkwell i dont have a h300 only h140, SQ ia hard to tell since it cuts out every 2 secs
23:08:27ghode|afki followed the steps on the wiki and it worked fine, did you make sure you used the 5g specific instructions?
23:08:35Shadowarrior13Kind of :P
23:08:42muesli__h140 and h3xx are identical in terms of soundquality
23:09:22ghode|afki'll take your word for that
23:09:32muesli__i had both ;)
23:10:24muesli__respectively i still own an h330
23:10:43Shadowarrior13ghode, where's the 5G specific instructions? I've been half using ipodboot.
23:11:24ghode|afkhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation - i used this
23:11:33ghode|afkand made sure i used the 5g command lines
23:11:44Shadowarrior13I did that too...
23:11:48Shadowarrior13-_-
23:11:53***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:12:24ghode|afkbtw how do your stop or turn off a 5g? ><
23:12:49Mikachuhold down play in rockbox maybe? at least works on nano
23:13:02ghode|afkin the retailos i meant sorry
23:13:15Mikachuleave it on for 36 hours i think
23:13:23ghode|afk....
23:13:34Mikachunot my fault
23:13:37Shadowarrior13To get to the apple os?
23:13:39ghode|afkhmmm so pause is the only way to stop?
23:14:05Mikachuif you're in the apple os, and want to enter deep sleep either wait for many hours or boot rockbox and turn it off from there
23:14:07ghode|afkno wonder ipod bat life sucks :/
23:14:30Mikachuapple os enter what i think they call soft sleep after a few minutes
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23:19:05Kensirhey i didnt know rockbox would show me my ipod pictures
23:19:09Kensirholy hell this is nice
23:19:23Mikachudon't miss the backdrop feature
23:19:31Shadowarrior13lol
23:19:40Shadowarrior13Stop making me want it more, since it doesn't fucking work
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23:20:08ghode|afkwhich bit doesnt work?
23:20:14Kensirhaha
23:20:17Kensirwhat doesnt work for you?
23:20:35Shadowarrior13The RUNNING PART
23:20:38Shadowarrior13-_-
23:21:04Kensiro
23:21:07Kensiranyone have it working on a 5g yet?
23:21:15Kensiror specifically
23:21:16Shadowarrior13I'm trying
23:21:20Kensirwho can access their music
23:21:27Kensirim in but not sure how to get to the music part...
23:21:35Shadowarrior13It's in ipod_control
23:22:20Shadowarrior13AND THE FUCKER STILL DOESN'T WORK
23:22:27Mikachuhold down select on the music dir and select playlist->insert or something like that
23:22:48markuncan't you just click on a song?
23:22:49Kensirmy ipod_control folder isnt showing on the ipod
23:22:49Kensirwtf
23:23:08Shadowarrior13Probably because it's a hidden folder.
23:23:08Mikachuyou may need to enable the Show All Files option
23:23:55Kensirwhere at...
23:23:59Kensirin windows?
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23:24:08Mikachusomewhere in the jungle that is known as the rockbox settings menu
23:24:20Shadowarrior13Get your machete.
23:24:27Kensiryea
23:24:30Kensirfuck that...i cant find it
23:24:44Mikachuyou can probably remove the hidden attribute in windows too
23:25:25Kensirwe'll ill give it a shot...
23:26:37Shadowarrior13Seriously, I have no idea why this isn't working.
23:26:47Shadowarrior13It's pissing me off so much.
23:28:09Shadowarrior13AAAAAAAGH
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23:28:39ghode|afkKensir i have a look in gneral settings - display settings - fileview
23:29:10Kensiri checked
23:29:11Kensirnothing
23:29:26Shadowarrior13Kensir, you're on a 5G, right?
23:29:31Kensirand i dont feel comfortable doing the unhidden thing in windows
23:29:33ghode|afkam transfering between my DAPS atm so cant load rbx :/
23:29:36Kensiryes...im on a 5g
23:29:48ghode|afkyou dont need to do anything in windows
23:29:52Kensirk
23:29:55Kensirill check again...
23:30:09ghode|afkif you want to test a track just drag a song into the root dir, rbx should pick it up
23:30:10Shadowarrior13Wait...
23:30:14Shadowarrior13Strike that remark XD
23:30:20Shadowarrior13Fuck, wrong window
23:30:26Shadowarrior13Kensir, how the FUCK did you get it working?
23:30:30Kensirk
23:30:42Kensirfollowed the instructions on the site
23:30:45ghode|afkShadowarrior13: at what point is it screwing up for you?
23:30:50Kensiryea?
23:31:08Shadowarrior13Rockbox loads, I get a yellow sign, then a screen with a little USB picture and the time.
23:31:38Mikachudo you have the usb plugged in when you boot?
23:31:38Shadowarrior13So I think something needs to be smashed
23:31:43Shadowarrior13No -_-
23:32:01ghode|afkdid you copy over the rbx zip?
23:32:18Shadowarrior13I extracted it straight to the root.
23:32:33Shadowarrior13I don't get why it isn't working.
23:32:50Kensirmakesure both the .rockbox folder and the rockbox file are in the root
23:32:51Kensirmake sure you have the latest everything too
23:32:57ghode|afkyellow sign = rbx logo?
23:32:58Kensirother wise...you're pretty close
23:33:06Shadowarrior13I DO have everything latest, and everything in root :P
23:33:09Shadowarrior13And yes, the rbx logo.
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23:34:05Shadowarrior13It's f ucking satanic.
23:34:13ghode|afkKensir: its menu > generall settings > file view > shall all files
23:34:18Kensirhm
23:34:19Kensirstrange
23:34:20Shadowarrior13Yeah, ignore my problem
23:34:22Kensirk
23:34:22Shadowarrior13XD
23:34:30ghode|afkshaw
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23:34:54ghode|afkonly thing i can think of is uninstall the rbx bootloader and start it from scratch :/
23:34:57Kensirgot it
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23:35:27Shadowarrior13I JUST did it from scratch
23:35:29Shadowarrior13AGAIN
23:35:39Mikachumaybe you suck?
23:35:46Shadowarrior13>.<
23:36:02Kensireasy
23:36:09Kensiraudio plays just dandy
23:36:10Kensirno slug for me
23:36:31Kensirjust dont touch the ipod scroll wheel and its great
23:36:38Shadowarrior13I'm seriously pissed
23:36:49Shadowarrior13Kensir, send me your rockboot.bin
23:37:02Shadowarrior13I wanna see if it's just me :P
23:38:08Kensirk
23:38:40Kensiraway it goes~
23:39:18BHSPitLappyKensir: what model?
23:39:23Kensir5g
23:39:26BHSPitLappycool
23:39:54Kensireh
23:40:01Shadowarrior13...I see no awaying.
23:40:04Kensirrbx is a little buggy
23:40:05Kensirhmmm
23:40:31Kensirit says its waiting for you to accept
23:40:40Kensiris your IRC configured to accept?
23:40:43Shadowarrior13I go no prompt :P
23:40:45Shadowarrior13Yes, yes it is.
23:40:50Kensirdamng
23:40:51Kensirt*
23:40:56Shadowarrior13Just email it: shadowwarrior13@gmail.com
23:41:00Kensirk
23:41:12Kensirpandafusion is my name
23:41:16Kensirit'll be there shortly
23:41:18Shadowarrior13omgz teh panda
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23:44:22Kensirk...ive got music files
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23:44:34Kensirbut their sorted under these F00, F01, F02, F03 files
23:44:36Kensirfolders*
23:44:48Kensirwith names like WJQX.mp3
23:44:49Kensirall 4 letters and caps
23:44:55Kensiranyone else got this problem?
23:45:04Shadowarrior13lol, that's how itunes sorts the files.
23:45:16Kensirdamn iTunes
23:45:23Kensiranyway to get Rockbox to just show the ID3 info?
23:45:50Mikachuif there is id3 info, it will show it
23:46:05Kensirit does
23:46:16Kensirbut anyway to access it like a database
23:46:18ghode|afkyou'll need to reate a tag database
23:46:28Kensirhmm....how do i go about doing this?
23:47:08ghode|afkhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagDatabase
23:47:10Shadowarrior13Goddamn, this thing needs to hurry up.
23:47:21Kensirhas
23:47:22Kensirha*
23:47:29Kensirsorry
23:47:33Shadowarrior13>.<
23:47:37Kensirmy internet is being ... well slow
23:48:00ghode|afkmy rockboot.bin is 10mb
23:48:08Shadowarrior13Ohnoes
23:48:42ghode|afkhehe anyway i'm off, gl with the 5g Shadowarrior13, hope you get it working :P
23:48:47Shadowarrior13lol, thanks
23:50:43*Shadowarrior13 rides Kensir like a pony
23:51:09Kensir....
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23:52:02Kensirstupid outlook express
23:52:07Kensircome on....
23:52:12Shadowarrior13Not very EX{RESSY
23:52:15Shadowarrior13EXPRESSY*
23:52:43Kensiri noticed...
23:52:49Kensirits getting there though
23:56:18Kensirhalf way
23:56:34Shadowarrior13....
23:56:44Shadowarrior13Fucking seriously?
23:56:51BHSPitLappyhey, do wifi apps work on 1.50?
23:56:52Kensiryea
23:57:03Kensirwifi apps...for what...
23:57:16BHSPitLappyjust wondering
23:57:23mar_kwhat wifi apps?
23:57:36Kensirthat sounds like PSP speak
23:57:42BHSPitLappyI haven't been messing with PSP in a long time, and when I was last involved, there was only like some concept apps, that required static IP and crap
23:57:56mar_kpsp rockbox!
23:57:57Kensirhell if I know...or anyone in here knows
23:57:59BHSPitLappybasic telnet and junk
23:58:02mar_kthat'd be so freakin awesome
23:58:03BHSPitLappytrue
23:58:10Kensirpsp rockbox
23:58:10Kensirthat'd be amazing!
23:58:10BHSPitLappymar_k: haha
23:58:16BHSPitLappyomg
23:58:16Shadowarrior13lol
23:58:26BHSPitLappysorry you guys, I -just- realized I was in the wrong channel
23:58:27BHSPitLappyhahahahahahaha
23:58:32mar_klol
23:58:33*BHSPitLappy airhead.
23:58:34Shadowarrior13That would be the hardest thing ever, the flash0 is only accessible THROUGH the firmware.
23:58:36Kensiryup
23:58:44*BHSPitLappy embarassing moment of the day
23:58:46Shadowarrior13Wait, there's a psp channel on freenode?
23:58:48Kensiro well
23:58:50mar_kDS rockbox'd be better still
23:58:50BHSPitLappynope
23:58:50Kensiri dont know...
23:58:52Kensiryea
23:58:58Shadowarrior13Then where's the chat? :P
23:58:59Kensirtouch screen...im drooling
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23:59:00mar_ktouchscreen rockbox would be soooooo good

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