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#rockbox log for 2007-05-28

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00:20:22*p3tur discovers firefox has the same crash on linux as it has on windows :/
00:22:04AlldogshipI need to do a backup of my ipod partition table. is this command right? dd if=/dev/disk1 of=backup.bin bs=512 count=1
00:22:41linuxstb_Yes, if /dev/disk1 is your ipod
00:23:49Alldogshiplinuxstb: hey! thank you for your help the last time. never found what was wrong so I installed windows.
00:24:11Alldogshipnow to submit it for the wiki faq
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00:27:52linuxstb_How did you create it? Did you just restore with itunes?
00:27:55Alldogshipchanging wiki = bad idea. I think I'll contact one of it's main editor
00:28:18Alldogshiprestore with Windows itunes, the easiest way
00:28:46linuxstb_The partition tables aren't hosted on the wiki - they're on
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00:30:02linuxstbDo you have some webspace you can put it on temporarily? Or you could DCC it or email it to me.
00:31:33AlldogshipI'm used the fat32 wiki page as instructions so I guessed I should email chapman (he's on the main page, yay!)
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00:31:48linuxstbThat would be me...
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00:32:06Alldogshipd'oh! uploading it somewhere
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00:36:41Alldogshipdarn crazy web2.0 file sharing site.
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00:40:47Alldogshiplinuxstb: back in 30min to see if all is right
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00:44:31webguest70i need help
00:44:48saratogawebguest: ask a question
00:45:15webguest70do i need to have iPL in order to install rockbox?
00:45:39Domonoky_webguest70: no, ipl isnt needed for rockbox
00:45:45saratogawebguest70: no, in fact we do not even support iPL
00:46:26webguest70so then i only need to "add" or install rockbox over apple software?
00:46:45linuxstbwebguest70: The Rockbox manual has installation instructions
00:46:48saratogawebguest70: have you read the manual?
00:46:53saratogabah too slow
00:47:18webguest70yes. execute ipodpatcher....copy .rockbox folder...correct
00:47:24Nico_Pwow Domonoky_ you just hit r13500 :)
00:47:44linuxstbwebguest70: Almost - do it in the opposite order.
00:48:07webguest70ya thats what i meant...but i get "no partition found" error
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00:48:43linuxstbwebguest70: Do you have a "macpod" ?
00:49:06webguest70no its fat32..
00:49:25webguest70when executing ipodpatcher −−scan, it detects it as winpod
00:49:28linuxstbWhich ipod?
00:49:34Nico_PDomonoky_: and it's also a nice commit... makes the manual much easier to read
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00:49:50webguest7080 GB video
00:49:59Domonoky_Nico_P: yes :-)
00:50:18linuxstbwebguest70: Are you running the very latest ipodpatcher? It should say "v1.0 with v1.1 bootloaders" when you run it.
00:50:23saratogado we have a theory why battery life on the Sansa is so much closer to retail then the other PP targets?
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00:51:04Lloreansaratoga: My personal theory is that the Sansas have a much bigger battery, but the retail firmware drains it a lot more quickly.
00:51:05linuxstbwebguest70: And does the bootloader itself display a version number (before the "no partition found" message) ?
00:51:15webguest70that is correct
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00:51:49webguest70IPOD version 0xFFFFFFFF
00:52:00Nico_PDomonoky_: I get a warning with the manual : "HTML anchor x3-20001 does not exist."
00:53:08Domonoky_Nico_P: thats either a feature the HTML viewer in wxwidgets does not support, or its wrong in the html, i dont know :-)
00:53:14linuxstbwebguest70: What about the line before that - "Version: ...." ?
00:53:26webguest70version 1.1
00:53:48saratogaLlorean: you're right, google says 750mah
00:53:54saratogathats bigger then a lot of HD based players
00:53:55linuxstbwebguest70: Have you reformatted your ipod yourself at any point?
00:54:10Lloreansaratoga: That's the same as the iPod 5G 60/80, right?
00:54:31linuxstbwebguest70: Rockbox only supports FAT32 formatted partitions on the ipods, so maybe you formatted it as FAT16, which won't be recognised.
00:55:10webguest70in linux i used the mkfs.vfat -F 32 -S 2048 /dev/sda2 that command to format
00:55:16saratogagoogle says 600mah for the 5.5G
00:55:40saratogasandisk must really have gotten lazy if they only get 15-20 hours out of that thing
00:55:48saratogamaybe they have the same problem we do!
00:56:11linuxstbwebguest70: And the Apple firmware works on your ipod?
00:57:04saratogawebguest: an easy solution might be to restore your ipod using apple's software
00:57:05webguest70after messing with it a little bit (read breaking it) i restored my ipod to factory settings by loading the backups
00:57:06Lloreanwebguest70: What type of partition is your Fat32?
00:57:11LloreanIt it 0xb or 0xc?
00:57:27linuxstbLlorean: If it's not 0xb, ipodpatcher wouldn't recognise it...
00:57:35Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah, right
00:57:40LloreanI forgot that was iPodpatcher
00:57:43LloreanIs it primary?
00:57:46LloreanThat's the one that makes it not found
00:57:56linuxstbAgain, ipodpatcher wouldn't find it if it wasn't...
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00:58:14LloreanI know we've had people install on iPods where the Fat32 partition isn't marked as primary in the past.
00:58:21LloreanThen the bootloader would say the partition isn't found.
00:58:28LloreanBut maybe that was pre-ipodpatcher
00:58:31webguest70its 0xb
00:58:37webguest70how do i change that?
00:58:43Lloreanwebguest70: It's supposed to be 0xb
01:00:00webguest70when i run ipodpatcher it says W95 FAT32 (0x0b)
01:01:14webguest70how do i check if its primary?
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01:08:54webguest70do i copy .rockbox to /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2
01:09:13linuxstbwebguest70: I can't remember exactly what the problems were, but I have read people say that filesystems created by mkfs.vfat on the 80GB ipod have problems. The solution for those people was to format it under WIndows...
01:09:42linuxstbwebguest70: sda1 is the Apple firmware partition - there is no filesystem to copy files to.
01:10:03webguest70so then restore it under windows than try again?
01:10:20linuxstbIf you can, then I would.
01:10:30webguest70oh...what if i cant?
01:10:39webguest70no windows/macs available
01:10:54Alldogshiphave fun pirating windows and using vmware like me
01:10:59linuxstbwebguest70: Then I don't know...
01:11:26webguest70illtry some things than get back to you if i have more problems
01:11:45linuxstbwebguest70: amiconn might have some ideas, but he's not around at the moment.
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01:12:37linuxstbAlldogship: I downloaded your MBR - it looks perfect, thanks.
01:14:57Alldogshiplinuxstb: glad I could help
01:17:10linuxstbBagder: Can you put this file on the download server (replacing the existing one with the same name) ?
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01:58:06nightandsnowI'm using a toshiba gigabeat f40, and rockboy runs too fast. I've looked on the forums and the documentation and have not found a way to decrease the framerate. What can I do to fix this problem?
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02:10:06saratogaif a hunk fails in a large patch, do the other files get written?
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02:20:29Lloreansaratoga: Yeah, I believe everything gets written but the failed hunk(s)
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02:24:36Nico_Psaratoga: you can check whether the patch applies cleanly before patching with −−dry-run
02:29:49Soapdang learn something new everyday!
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02:31:48saratogathanks, took me a minute, but i got the hang of it
02:38:00Nico_PSoap: hehe, you can also have all the .rej files written in one single file
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02:39:24saratogaNico_P: got it fixed, but that sounds useful
02:39:27saratogawhats the switch
02:40:34Nico_Pand this one gets created even when you have −−dry-run
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02:56:19saratogawhat does the DSP_SET_SAMPLE_DEPTH parameter control?
02:56:40saratogai'm wondering what the number of bits you give it actually changes
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03:42:09Feral_KidI made a slight boo-boo... I was upgrading my firmware and forgot to update the bootloader... Now I can't get into disk mode to make the change and the firmware chokes when loading.... Any way to repair it?
03:43:51LloreanFeral_Kid: The Menu+Select then Select+Play always works if you do it right, you can't mess up the ability to do that.
03:44:24Feral_KidThis on the 4g with unsupported firmware... I thought that if I let the battery die, that it might go into disk mode when a little power came to it, but no such luck...
03:45:00Feral_KidLlorean> So hod down Menu+Select and then Select+Play?
03:45:35LloreanYes, as soon as the screen clears from holding Menu+Select, you hold Select+Play to get into disk mode.
03:45:41LloreanIt's rare that you need to update the bootloader though
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03:47:21Feral_KidLlorean> I don't know what the problem might be... And the holding of the Menu+Select does nothing... What I have is a screen that is locked with an attempted boot...
03:47:35LloreanWhat do you mean "a screen that is locked"
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03:48:51Feral_KidLlorean> It started trying to boot, and there is some of the boot text, and part of the splash screen....
03:49:59LloreanBoot text *and* the Rockbox logo?
03:50:37Feral_KidOk, I held down the Menu+Select and I am back to looking at the battery charge screen....
03:51:54Feral_KidSo while it on the charging screen can I do a Select+Play
03:52:18LloreanYou don't need to if you're already in one of the apple firmware screens...
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03:53:06Feral_KidHmm... Well, I have the device plugged, but it did not mount...
03:55:18LloreanWell maybe there's something else wrong with your iPod. If you've booted into disk mode or the apple firmware and it's not connecting, there's not much more we here can do. Either your computer or your iPod is having issues. But first, I'd suggest rebooting
03:59:00Feral_KidOk, how do I reboot it while it is in charging mode... And something interesting happened... I did a Menu+Select and the screen blanked...Then I did the Select+Play, and the ipod when into drive mode for a second... Then went back to the the charging screen... Then it booted again, and now the thing is in drive mode, although it did not mount on my machine...
03:59:29LloreanWell I don't even know what you mean by "charging mode" any more.
03:59:34LloreanThere is no "charging mode"
03:59:44LloreanThere's "Disk Mode" and "The Apple Firmware" and "Rockbox", and that's it as far as modes go
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04:00:03LloreanYou can be chargin in Disk Mode, and you can be charging in the Apple Firmware.
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04:32:53saratogaanyone seen this error before?
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04:34:58Ziderthe quit error?
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04:37:12LloreanYou're here
04:37:14LloreanFor the moment
04:37:22saratoga5"/apps/recorder/icons.h:30:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory"
04:37:27saratoga5that would be the error
04:37:36saratoga5didn't realize my client thought that was a command
04:38:11Lloreanrockboxlogo.h is one of those generated files using bmp2rb, right?
04:38:24LloreanYou might want to try a make veryclean
04:41:12saratoga5strangely enough it did get generated
04:41:18saratoga5i'm guessing this is a bug in the patch
04:41:33saratoga5are codecs not supposed to have access to plugin.h?
04:44:50LloreanI'm not sure
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05:05:21saratoga5about creating a patch, how do I include a newly generated file?
05:10:15Lloreansvn add it, I believe
05:10:19LloreanThen it should show up when you do the diff.
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05:36:49saratoga5Llorean: the codec test plugin should work with any codec right?
05:37:06saratoga5i want to ax the wma2wav test plugin, but I'm not sure if its still needed
05:38:08LloreanIt should work with any codec, as far as I know.
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05:38:15LloreanBut you'd have to ask linuxstb if there are any specific rules
05:39:33saratoga5sounds good
05:39:50saratoga5I'd rather do my codec tests in a way that spits out runtime info anyway
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06:03:42sitwonI looked on the website and forums but did not see any specific information... What is needed to get Rockbox working on Sansa e200R and is there anything I can do to help with that effort?
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06:04:34saratoga5sitwon: theres a large sansa e200r thread in the new ports forum and a much larger Sansa e200 thread
06:04:43saratoga5everything thats been done is dicussed in those two threads
06:05:16sitwonThanks saratoga5
06:05:19saratoga5as I recall, the issue is that no one has found a way to get the e200r bootloader to load 3rd party software, so while we can flash an e200 into anything (even an e200r), we can't flash an e200 at all
06:05:37saratoga5should be "can't flash an e200r at all"
06:06:50sitwonis that because of a difference in hardware? It was mentioned somewhere on the website that there was encryption on the e200r
06:07:13saratoga5no the hardware is identical, you can even turn an e200 into an R just by flashing the firmware
06:07:29saratoga5just the firmware that comes on the e200R won't accept third party updates
06:07:36saratoga5so we have no way to install anything on it
06:07:50saratoga5short of desoldering the flash chip and reprogramming it
06:08:06LloreanWe need to know how to sign it properly. With the e200, you could just essentially tell it "this file isn't encrypted" and it would load it.
06:08:38LloreanWe also has the bootloader .rom file which contained the key, if I understand correctly, so we could encrypt if necessary.
06:09:03saratoga5I remember some speculation that it might be possible to use one of the sansa's many repair modes to overwrite the flash with the stock e200 rom, but I don't believe anyone ever worked out how to do that
06:09:27Lloreansaratoga5: It's quite probably using the e200tool someone could manage that.
06:09:32LloreanOf course, it's also relatively dangerous
06:09:55saratoga5yeah the e200r doesn't seem worth the effort anyway
06:09:57LloreanIf the hardware is exactly identical, I believe the e200tool could write an e200 non-R flash bootloader (I think)
06:10:00saratoga5theres not that many of them out there
06:10:14LloreanWell, it would hardly be an ideal solution anyway
06:10:36LloreanThe program doesn't, or hardly, works in windows, is somewhat difficult to use on linux, and requires entering a specialty mode and pressing the right buttons in the right way at the right time.
06:10:55sitwonI was looking for a replacement for my dead Neuros II and had to go to three stores to find an e280
06:10:57LloreanYou'd end up with a lot of "bricked" Sansas from people not quite getting it right, I think
06:11:22*Llorean hasn't even managed to successfully use the tool because it hates his VMWare image.
06:11:25sitwonRadioshack only carries the e260, Bestbuy only caries e200rs
06:11:30saratoga5sitwon: in the US at least its much cheaper to buy online
06:12:14saratoga5though i recommend that if you get it from amazon, you pay 5 dollars more for expediated shipping
06:12:24saratoga5the eta on the free shipping option is currently 3 weeks for me :(
06:12:36saratoga5should have paid 5 dollars for 4 day delivery
06:12:43saratoga5or whatever it was
06:13:00sitwonI didn't want to wait so I drove around and finally found an e280 at Circuit City
06:13:45sitwonbut my brother already had an e260r and I was hoping i could get Rockbox on his too
06:14:20saratoga5easiest way would be to try and exchange it
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06:14:33saratoga5otherwise, you're in for some difficult hardware hacking i think
06:15:15Lloreansaratoga5: Well, if e200tool definitely has access to the bootloader image, we could dump it with that, grab the key like we did from the .ROM file, and probably use that. Unless I misunderstand where the holdup is.
06:16:10saratoga5Llorean: i don't remember much of the details, but i assumed the e200r signed the rom in order to prevent that
06:16:25LloreanBecause if I understand, we can create properly encrypted .mi4 files if we know the appropriate key for the bootloader, we just don't normally because you can tell it that the data's all unencrypted and it'll load it (except on the e200R)
06:16:42saratoga5oh i see what you mean
06:16:53saratoga5i'll go flip through that thread and see
06:17:01LloreanI have a friend with an e200R
06:17:15LloreanI haven't really shown much interest because she has no real interest in Rockbox.
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06:23:52sitwonmy brother didn't have any interest in Rockbox either until I got mine. I'm actually very delighted with it. I'm nolonger waiting on JoeBorn to deliver on the N3
06:24:24major_worksSpeaking of the Sansa, I think jdgordon's last commit today broke the SD Card patch.
06:24:41Lloreanmajor_works: So?
06:24:57LloreanThere's no reason to expect a commit not to break one or several patches, it's very common.
06:25:36major_worksOK... thanks for clarifying that. Is it equally common for the patch to be repaired?
06:26:22LloreanPatches are features that aren't in official Rockbox. There are hundreds of them out there, and there's no way an author could try every unofficial patch before making a change to Rockbox, just to make sure it doesn't break.
06:26:35LloreanIf the author of the patch, or a user of the patch, is interested, it'll get "synced" and work again.
06:26:44LloreanIn this case, it's very likely to get fixed when JdGordon has time
06:27:08major_worksExcellent. He was the last person to work on that particular patch, so I'd think he has interest in it.
06:27:12saratoga5major_works: i looked at the patch, easy to fix
06:27:24major_worksMaybe for you :-)
06:27:32saratoga5he just added 3 lines in the middle of where the patch goes
06:27:37saratoga5you just need to move them
06:27:51saratoga5or delete them, patch, and put them back
06:28:13major_worksI'll wait for Jonathan or another developer. I'm lucky I know how to use the patches and compile a build.
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07:36:01w0lfieheya dudes
07:37:27w0lfiei have a 5th gen 80g ipod with the rockbox daily build from about 5 days ago
07:38:26w0lfieis anyone aware of any problems when playing music for awhile, the rockbox will lock up. the music continues to play but the ui is not updated and no controls work
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07:47:08JdGordonlinuxstb: you round?
07:57:09LloreanJdGordon: Does the scrolling acceleration thingummy affect scrollwheel targets or just those with buttons?
07:57:31JdGordonit wrks great on the sansa...
07:58:09JdGordonim not so sure about the ipod though.. that Xo.. guy said it worked, but thining about it, the reason the extra code had to go in was bcuase the ipod didnt send|BUTTON_REPEAT which would mean it wouldnt work
07:58:21LloreanI'll try 'er out on my Nano then
07:58:26JdGordonsame for h10/gb if they dont send repeat
07:58:36*JdGordon waiting for sister to get home to use her nano
08:03:00LloreanYeah, doesn't seem to scroll any faster than normal
08:03:04LloreanI assume it comes with sound defaults?
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08:07:46JdGordonLlorean: yeah, quite sane defaults
08:08:14LloreanJust making sure I didn't need to set something to see a difference
08:08:15JdGordondoesnt start accelerating for 1 sec, then only increases every 2.5s or something
08:10:24midkayLlorean: it works for me..
08:10:46Lloreanmidkay: Scrolling seemed to be the exact same speed on my Nano
08:10:49*Llorean could be wrong
08:10:50midkayLlorean: go to a large list of files, i.e. the Tracks entry in database.. just scroll constantly, it'll start jumping ahead..
08:10:57midkayit doesn't actually scroll faster, just starts skipping entries.
08:11:14LloreanThat's effectively the same thing, though
08:11:18midkayyou'll soon notice that it's nearly scrolling by pages instead of lines..
08:11:22LloreanI meant that the speed it progressed through the list did not seem to change
08:11:30midkayLlorean: works for me. also make sure your finger stays on the wheel constantly.. it only seems to work with button_repeat.
08:11:45midkayi lowered the defaults quite a bit so it speeds up more.. but i was able to notice it, i thought..
08:12:05LloreanAh, yeah, I *think* I see a change
08:12:12LloreanI apparently don't scroll well enough myself. :)
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08:12:33midkayhaha, i think it's a little subtle with the defaults, especially when you have to make sure your finger stays on the wheel. :)
08:13:03JdGordondefaults can easily be tweaked..
08:14:00midkayJdGordon: for sure, i think they're plenty fine for button targets.. it just might be a little harder to see an effect on a nano, where it's a rather small wheel and your finger has to stay in constant contact or it gets reset..
08:15:12Lloreanmidkay: And I have mine in a rubber case that makes that contact ever so slightly more unreliable
08:15:49midkayLlorean: yeah, so it's a little screwy..
08:16:46JdGordonaparentyl works great on the video though.. so setting correct defaults could get annoyin :p
08:16:57*JdGordon hates those bloody rubber cases
08:17:41LloreanJdGordon: The only way to get my nano to live in peace with anything else I own
08:17:46LloreanI swear, breathing on the thing would scratch it
08:18:15LloreanThat statement might not be exaggeration. It's terrible.
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08:55:00amiconnhi B4gder
08:56:30tbaGGinanyone link or tell me a good theme?
08:56:35amiconnThere are 2 problems with the size delta table: (1) the <td>s in the first column lack a 'nowrap'; the status table has that
08:56:58amiconn(2) The new build server seems to not give the values(?)
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08:57:37B4gderwow, how odd
08:57:46amiconnHmm, in fact the new server seems to not give back binaries :(
08:57:58JdGordonits not only the new server
08:58:34JdGordonor maybe it is and i clicked the wrong link last night :p
08:58:41amiconnCheck current builds: Player and X5 are missing as download and in the delta table - and they were built on the new server...
08:59:16*amiconn wonders whether it has to do with the domain name...
09:00:06amiconnSo (2) is actually a build server problem, only (1) is a table problem (which should be easy to fix)
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09:37:32B4gderamiconn: #1 fixed in the code, #2 fixed by disabling the server (for now at least)
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09:41:02webguest48I am having a problem loading rockbox on to my gigabeat f40 I ahve tried several times to no avail , do I have to format the giabeat first?
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10:05:19sneakumsJdGordon: scroll acceleration works nicely for me when i set it to 500ms and 2x/1s. also it seems i suck at operating the scroll wheel. (80gb ipod.)
10:08:34*amiconn still wonders why we need extra acceleration
10:08:52amiconnThe button driver already does acceleration when holding the button longer
10:09:26JdGordonparty pooper :D the butto dirver doesnt accelerate anywhere near fast enough
10:09:40sneakumspossibly on the ipod video the line-skipping means fewer updates, so it doesn't bottleneck on screen updates?
10:09:57JdGordonno, it would actually make more updates
10:10:01sneakumsassuming it ever does
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10:10:17JdGordonbecause it can only update 3 lines instead of the whole screen if you only go up/down one line
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10:11:31JdGordonamiconn: have you had a chance to look at the hotswap part of the sdcard patch re the ondio?
10:13:13JdGordonok, If you d get a chance, plase have a quick look... I think there is nothin stopping that patch going in except we are not sure if it breaks the ondio at all..
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10:34:42JerryLangemy ipod currently says please wait very low battery and has a rotating symbol underneath that. does this mean its charging?
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10:48:49JerryLangeanybody? *
10:53:28linuxstbJerryLange: That's a message from the Apple firmware. I assume you have it plugged into a charger (or your computer) ?
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10:55:06linuxstbI would turn the hold switch on and just leave it. Turning the hold switch on means that when your ipod boots, it will start the Apple firmware, which currently deals with a very low battery better than Rockbox.
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10:57:08linuxstbB4gder: Can you copy this to the download server (replacing the existing file with the same name) ?
10:57:37JerryLangeok im back. Its charging through the computer I think.
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11:00:29JerryLangehow to i just make it charge without it connecting to the computer?
11:01:14linuxstbHold MENU as you insert the USB cable.
11:02:04JerryLangeok and then the ipod still has to be on?
11:02:51linuxstbYes. ipod's can't be turned off whilst charging.
11:02:57linuxstbI mean ipods
11:03:16JerryLangedangit that sucks.
11:05:18sneakumsonce you're out of disk mode it'll switch the backlight off, so it's not so bad
11:05:54amiconnMany targets can't be switched off while charging, not only ipods
11:06:25amiconnThe only target that can (afaik) is the iriver H100 series
11:06:45LloreanThe gigabeat too, sorta.
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11:06:55LloreanIt has a charging status display on the screen, but it doesn't boot.
11:07:03peturand the new h300 bootloader....
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11:07:15amiconnThat's not true off
11:07:19amiconnOff = CPU unpowered
11:07:24markunLlorean: toffe found out it even charges when you plug in the USB cable, even if it doesn't show any charging indicator
11:07:54Lloreanmarkun: Ah, I heard that.
11:08:07amiconnA charging screen hence counts as powered on
11:08:24Lloreanamiconn: Ah, but markun just said that you can charge from USB without the charging screen.
11:08:45linuxstbmarkun: Do you mean without the gigabeat turning itself on?
11:08:53markunlinuxstb: yes
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11:08:58markunI tried it myself and it works
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11:09:02Lloreanlinuxstb: If you just plug in USB, it doesn't show any sign of activity
11:09:04amiconnYes. So find out whether it actually charges with the cpu being off, or if it just doesn't enable the display...
11:09:06LloreanI didn't know it charged during that, though
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11:09:46markunamiconn: there is always some power going to the CPU because it's in sleep mode
11:10:00amiconnNo true off state? Nasty...
11:10:33linuxstbThere's a hardware battery switch...
11:10:44markunbut then you can't charge of course
11:10:48linuxstb(which annoyingly clears the RTC)
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11:11:22*amiconn wonders why the more 'modern' designs often imply a step back in some respect :\
11:15:22amiconnStore a fully charged gigabeat ~2 months, and the battery will be empty...
11:15:52amiconnVery nasty, especially since LiIon doesn't like deep discharges
11:15:53markunthey say in the manual that you should switch off the battery in that case
11:16:13linuxstbamiconn: When you were developing 80GB support, did you ever reformat the ipod's FAT32 partition, and if so, which formatting program did you use? Someone reported "no partition found" last night on an 80GB with a partition formatted with "mkfs.vfat -F 32 -S 2048".
11:16:30markunI don't understand why the RTC needs so much power if you can run a digital watch for years on a very small battery
11:16:35amiconnI didn't reformat anything
11:17:16amiconnIt's the original apple formatting afaik (unless LinusN reformatted it earlier)
11:18:46LinusNi have run apples reinitialization on it once
11:18:49linuxstbOK. He was going to try some things and come back if he still couldn't get it to work.
11:21:44*amiconn quite likes the G5's LCD
11:22:15amiconnNow if they would have chosen a non-glaring surface (like the blackberries), if would be even better
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11:34:50sneakumsi find the ipod's shiny surface useful for checking that my fingerprints haven't been tampered with while i slept - you can't be too careful
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11:39:07intgrYeah, finger burglars are alarmingly common these days.
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11:43:10landani would just like to say THANK YOU for rockbox
11:43:14landanonly found out about it today
11:43:16landan<3 cue support
11:43:20landan<3 bookmarks
11:43:27landanthank you very much!
11:43:29david11is there a special reason wha gigabeat's are so much cheeper than iPod's
11:43:55scorcheiPods are "hip"
11:44:08LloreaniTunes lock-in as well
11:44:27LloreanYou're paying a premium to be able to use the music you've already paid for on the go.
11:45:26david11but its not because the gigabeat is maybe bad hardware or something like that?
11:45:46scorchethe gigabeat has much better hardware in most cases
11:46:12scorchewell, it depends on your definition of "better" as well
11:46:51david11if it accidently falls on the floor
11:46:54LloreanWell, it's got a faster processor, sturdier case, a standard USB port...
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11:47:22markundavid11: it's also cheap because it's been out of production for a while and was never very popular I think
11:47:25Lloreandavid11: They both use the same type of hard disk internally, but I'd bet on the Gigabeat for taking less external damage.
11:47:56linuxstbdavid11: Also, with the original firmware, Gigabeats are unusable for lots of people....
11:48:08linuxstb(although some would say the same about ipods...)
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11:52:15markundavid11: are you planning to buy one?
11:52:54david11if my ipod stays dead, yes
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12:08:43doktoreashi to all
12:08:52doktoreasi just installed rockbox and initialized DB
12:09:05doktoreasnow, the guide tolds that i sould go to main menu -> use db
12:09:10doktoreasbut i can't see that option...
12:09:36linuxstbWhich guide says that? You should just see a "Database" option in the main menu.
12:10:02doktoreasno database in main menu
12:10:20doktoreasRecent bookmarks...
12:10:25doktoreastill info
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12:10:55peturfirst entry should say 'files'
12:11:29doktoreasMain menu of rockbox?
12:11:32linuxstbdoktoreas: Are you running the current version of Rockbox?
12:11:40doktoreasthe one i access just pressing menu?
12:11:49doktoreaslinuxstb, yes, installed right now
12:11:57linuxstbFrom which link?
12:13:20doktoreasi't Rockbox Main Menu?
12:13:26doktoreasor in one sub-menu?
12:13:46linuxstbIt's in the main menu - the menu you first see when Rockbox starts.
12:13:51jaczehackLinusN: one thing about having recording capabilities in the uisim, could it be used to feed audio to plugins if one should fiddle around with some effect processing or such?
12:14:13peturthe rockbox main menu goes from Files to System
12:14:20LinusNjaczehack: yes, that might be an interesting use of it
12:14:27caxHi. What can be done to fix #6896 ? Maybe you need a bootloader from Sansa hardware 1.1 device to understand what's wrong with rockbox bootloader ? If yes, I will try to fetch
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12:15:23jaczehackLinusN: in that case it could be worthwile to add recording to the uisim?
12:15:34LinusNcould be, yes
12:15:41jaczehackGood :)
12:15:43B4gdercax: since the 1.1 uses the same bootloader as 1.0 we probably are better off to analyze what they do
12:15:50doktoreaspetur, how can i access it?
12:16:02jaczehackbut ill have a look at the ata-thing anyway, i think
12:16:05linuxstbdoktoreas: When Rockbox starts, what do you see on the screen?
12:16:12doktoreasthe files
12:16:26doktoreasand the folders on the ipod root
12:16:29caxB4gder: 10x for answering. Are there any known differences between 1.0 and 1.1 ?
12:16:30peturdoktoreas: is this a clean install?
12:16:40B4gdercax: other than that problem: no
12:16:49doktoreasi removed the old .rockbox folder
12:16:51doktoreasand add a new one
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12:16:58doktoreaswith update
12:17:00linuxstbdoktoreas: Are you using the ipodlinux bootloader?
12:17:07B4gderdoktoreas: remove rockbox.ipod from the root dir
12:17:08doktoreasLinusN, yes
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12:17:57doktoreasB4gder, run the bootloader installer?
12:18:11B4gderdoktoreas: just try a reboot first
12:18:27B4gderdid you say ipl bootloader?
12:18:33linuxstbdoktoreas: The ipodlinux bootloader will look for the rockbox.ipod in the root (unless you install the very latest version of it, or adjust the ipl bootloader cfg file)
12:18:49linuxstbBut rockbox.ipod now lives inside the .rockbox folder.
12:19:02doktoreasif i remove the rockbox.ipod file it says that is missing
12:19:12linuxstbThat's what I just said...
12:20:15doktoreasok i removed the old rockbox.ipod
12:20:19doktoreasand re-run the installer
12:20:38DwylocAnyone know if the resent change in minimum volume on the ipod 5.5G from -73db to -57db has a dilerate change?
12:20:40doktoreasit still says that the file is missing
12:20:54jonnoTo fix the left button in settings screens at long last) we have 2 options, the hard way - change the context back to CONTEXT_SETTINGS and update each keymap, or the easy way - just chec if BUTTON_LEFT was pressed... which would be best?
12:21:07Lloreandoktoreas: That's because the iPL loader looks in the wrong spot.
12:21:11linuxstbdoktoreas: What bootloader is ipodpatcher installing for you? Are you using the ipodlinux version of ipodpatcher with loader2 ?
12:21:39DwylocI think it happened on the 22nd of this month some time before the first patch for 80GB ipod support and official support.
12:21:54LloreanDwyloc: I thought the minimum volume on 5Gs was always -57
12:21:57doktoreasi used this
12:22:09midkayLlorean: on the 5G, yes, it always has been, i know that for sure..
12:22:19linuxstbdoktoreas: OK, so you're now using the Rockbox bootloader?
12:22:24midkayi don't know about the others, but i haven't ever seen such a change. it's always been like that on my 5g.
12:22:40doktoreaslinuxstb, yes
12:22:52linuxstbdoktoreas: And do you have a rockbox.ipod file inside the .rockbox directory?
12:23:01doktoreasyes, inside .rockbox
12:23:16linuxstbSo what does your ipod say when you start it?
12:23:24doktoreasis missing rockbox.ipod
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12:23:35caxQuestion about licensing. I am working on fMSX port, but the source license is not compatible with rockbox. Code author agreed to binary distribution. The best solution will be Rockbox.c loading pre-compiled binary as shared library. Is it possible ? If not, is there any other solution except distributing emulator myself ?
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12:23:50Lloreandoktoreas: What's the exact message, word for word?
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12:24:25doktoreasRockbox bootloader 1.1
12:24:30doktoreasLoading rockbox...
12:24:38B4gdercax: there is no solution, and distributing it "yourself" is not one either
12:24:43doktoreasCan't load rockbox.ipod File not found
12:24:49doktoreasthen told me to reboot
12:25:27linuxstbdoktoreas: No other messages?
12:26:01linuxstbDoes it display information about the disk?
12:26:12caxB4gder: what's wrong with distributing binaries for various devices from my site ?
12:26:24Lloreancax: The GPL requires you distribute the source with them?
12:26:26B4gdercax: because that's a violation of the GPL
12:26:53B4gderyou can't make a plugin that is GPL incompatible
12:26:59jonnoanyone really care how the left in setting screens work as long as it goes back to being accept instead of cancel?
12:27:09LloreanB4gder: In theory could you make a .target binary that made use of RoLo though?
12:27:27linuxstbLlorean: Yes, if you didn't use any Rockbox code...
12:27:27B4gderLlorean: yes, if it has no traces of Rockbox stuff in it, sure
12:27:40LloreanYeah, it'd be a ridiculous amount of writing new stuff.
12:27:49doktoreasthis is the booloader patch
12:28:01DwylocLlorean: Strange maybe I am just getting confused, I have too many rockboxed daps :) I guess I will just have to live with it being a bit loud.
12:28:36caxB4gder: if I publish my sources and give link to fMSX source, so everybody can assemble them himself, will it still be illegal ?
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12:28:51LloreanDwyloc: The DAC on the 5.5G unfortunately doesn't go very low. But you CAN take advantage of Replaygain to lower it some more.
12:29:00B4gdercax: if you distribute them as binary/binaries yes
12:29:14B4gdercax: since you say fMSX isn't GPL compatible
12:29:57doktoreason the ipod it say partition 0x0B 3859
12:30:50doktoreaslinuxstb, i can format it to restart all from scratch
12:30:52Lloreandoktoreas: Where, exactly, is your .rockbox folder?
12:30:59DwylocLlorean: Thanks I had not thought of that work around.
12:31:12jonnoanyone?? :'(
12:31:25Lloreanjonno: Maybe a post to the mailing list is better.
12:31:40jonnobah woopsies
12:31:42doktoreasLlorean, on root
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12:31:49linuxstbcax: IMO (but IANAL etc) by building your plugin with the Rockbox plugin API, you're including Rockbox code in your binary. Hence your binary must be GPL compatible.
12:31:54*JdGordon might have more luck now :p
12:32:16Lloreandoktoreas: We've found users often mean something other than what we mean by root, so please be more specific.
12:32:25caxlinuxstb: my own rockbox-side code can be released with GPL, right ?
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12:33:26doktoreas /media/IPOD/.rockbox Llorean
12:33:30LloreanB4gder: In theory, since the fMSX source is available, just not under a GPL compatible license, he could distribute a patch against the fMSX source that a user could use to compile their own Rockbox plugin of it, right?
12:34:05*linuxstb just wishes emulator authors would release their work under Free licenses.
12:34:20B4gderfMSX seems to use _no_ license
12:34:40LloreanAll rights reserved unless you get special permission from the author, I suppose.
12:34:45B4gder"source code available for others to see"
12:35:01linuxstbSo you can look, but can't touch?
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12:37:21n1scax: there are apparently msx emulators which are licensed under the gpl available,
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12:38:25B4gderyeah blueMSX "considered the best" is GPLv2
12:38:27caxn1s: believe me, I know about all existing MSX emulators. I am a member of team :-)
12:38:54B4gderof course that "considered" is from the wikipedia page
12:39:20caxblueMSX is just not ready to be ported at the moment - it has C++ parts of code and is not fast enough
12:39:23n1scax: ok, just be prepared that if your port isn't gpl compatible it will never be included with rockbox
12:41:18n1scax: how about openmsx?
12:41:36n1sah, c++ too...
12:42:35linuxstbcax: Rockbox has no mechanism for shared libraries, so IIUC your approach (writing a Rockbox plugin that loads a binary-only library) requires implementing your own library loader.
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12:45:41B4gdercax: how fast are these anyway?
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12:46:36preglowJdGordon: there's no attached patch
12:46:41linuxstbcax: Why not work on making blueMSX better, rather than putting a lot of effort into circumventing Rockbox's GPL? It would seem a much nicer solution...
12:46:53JdGordonpreglow: ah bugger :p 1 sec
12:47:14preglowso, today is gsoc coding start, eh?
12:47:31LloreanSo they say
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12:49:56*linuxstb wonders why everyone wants three different "accept" buttons in the settings
12:50:50LinusNlinuxstb: because having Left cancel is a major annoyance
12:52:16linuxstbSo what button is cancel now?
12:52:25LloreanI think every time left is pressed from within the settings it should randomly determine whether to cancel or accept, annoying both sides.
12:52:49JdGordonlinuxstb: the menu button would have to be cancel
12:53:16otihlinuxstb: any idea, why my server doesn´t build with the others ...?
12:53:59linuxstbJdGordon: So "menu" wouldn't be able to be used as a fast-exit from the menus?
12:54:08linuxstb(unless you press it twice...)
12:54:10B4gderotih: I had to disable it
12:54:14B4gderit was acting weird
12:54:21B4gderno binaries in the zip files!
12:54:27JdGordonlinuxstb: menu doesnt d that now in the setting screen.. does it?
12:54:41linuxstbI don't know, but IMO it should/could.
12:55:19otihB4gder: how to fix it?
12:55:23LloreanMenu should pretty much take you from anywhere to the "Main" menu
12:55:34LloreanMuch like Play pretty much takes you from anywhere to the WPS
12:55:37LinusNi agree that the menu key should take you to the main menu
12:55:42linuxstbBut I'm happy with MENU as cancel - it at least means the same button can be used in all screens for cancel, which left couldn't be used for.
12:55:51B4gderotih: ah, I'm confusing matters. The problems were that somehow the copying of the zip files failed from your server
12:55:52JdGordonthen left cannot accept...
12:55:58JdGordonwe need a cancel button somehwere...
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12:56:31otihB4gder: perhaps you know a solution, but i have to go ... could we fix this later?
12:56:40B4gderotih: I have not had time to search for the problems
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12:57:19LloreanLeft accepting would be contrary to my current usage habits, though I don't know if I was trained by Rockbox to think of left as cancel, or had that already.
12:57:47otihB4gder: you have the login, perhaps you can find any solution ;) see you later
12:58:02B4gderlack of time
12:58:03stripwaxif left accepts, how would the ipod cancel a menu?
12:58:13linuxstbLinusN: I know no-one else agrees with me, but I also think left-as-cancel is consistent with other behaviour in lists. i.e. in the file browser, pressing left takes you out of the current directory and does nothing with the file you had selected. Pressing select/right does something with that file...
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12:58:55Lloreanlinuxstb: I was thinking that too, actually
12:59:31stripwaxfwiw linuxstb I agree with you
12:59:38*JdGordon also does
13:01:18*XavierGr is very happy that this devcon decided against left = cancel behaviour! :)
13:01:31XavierGrthat splash thing displaying "canceled" is the most annoying thing
13:01:34linuxstbBut arguing against myself, left-as-cancel can't be used everywhere (the colour picker, eq, keyboard entry....), so at least in some screens, another button needs to be cancel, and I don't like assigning the same action to multiple keys.
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13:01:51stripwaxJdGordon - which would you prefer, putting the bmp resizing in the pluginlib or just in the sliding_puzzle plugin?
13:01:56Lloreanlinuxstb: Those are non-list screens though.
13:02:04JdGordonstripwax: how big is it?
13:02:06linuxstbLlorean: So?
13:02:26Lloreanlinuxstb: Just in regard to the user logic, having a different button exit them isn't so strange, I think.
13:02:28stripwaxJdGordon - how big is the bmpresizing patch?
13:02:36LinusNmy view is this: leaving a directory is not the same as "cancel"
13:02:49stripwaxIt resizes on the fly, it'd be hard to remove from the read_bmp_file logic
13:02:50preglowindeed not
13:02:52JdGordonstripwax: yeah, if its not so much then put it in the lib, otherwsie just the plugin
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13:03:01linuxstbLlorean: But that's just an excuse - ideally I would want buttons to be consistent everywhere.
13:03:13stripwaxJdGordon - will take a look
13:03:46JdGordonwhats the tracker # for the bmpresize patch?
13:04:16*JdGordon found it
13:04:16stripwaxlet me search for you
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13:04:24Lloreanlinuxstb: Honestly, I'd rather have the ability to change most options with just the thumbstick on my H120, than all options with identical controls but requiring a side button for cancelling. But that's personal preference.
13:04:27LinusNsince you use Left to leave lists, directories and menus, it is natural to use Left to leave the settings as well, but not to revert the setting yo have just chosen
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13:04:52LinusNit is simply unnecessary to have to confirm settings
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13:05:00LloreanI suppose this is true.
13:05:12LloreanWhy not remove the cancel button altogether?
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13:05:47LinusNi guess we could
13:06:00*JdGordon puts his foot down there
13:06:11JdGordon:D we need a cancel button
13:06:41LloreanIf a user wants to keep their settings, they just leave the screen from the initial selection
13:06:44JdGordonwell... not reallly
13:06:51LloreanThat way there's never _any_ ambiguity over what setting you're getting.
13:06:56*JdGordon starting to not actually care abou the cancel button
13:07:17LinusNit's useful, of course, to be able to revert the setting if you decide not to change it and forgot what it was before
13:07:21LloreanYou could even go so far as having pressing the menu button confirm which setting you're on, and take you back to the menu, so there's no way to accidentally cancel.
13:07:36LinusNLlorean: i agree
13:07:46LloreanLinusN: I think the only settings really complex enough that you can forget what they were on before are multisettings like the EQ, where you can't effectively cancel the whole thing anyway.
13:08:06linuxstbWhy can't you cancel the EQ?
13:08:17LloreanThere's not a way to do so at the moment, at least (afaik)
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13:09:22*Llorean honestly only uses it to cut some noise from a few audiobooks.
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13:10:01*LinusN doesn't use it at all
13:10:09JdGordonstripwax: hmm.. the patch looks messy and seen as nothing in the core uses it (yet....) I tihnk you shuold put the resizing bmp_read_file() in the plugin lib
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13:11:30stripwaxJdGordon: - ok will take a look
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13:12:20JdGordonstripwax: I guess all youd need to do is apply the patch, then copy the patched gui/bmp.[ch] to appls/plugin/lib and fix some funtion calls there?
13:12:52linuxstbI guess the difference is that I don't think I've chosen a setting until I accept it with select/right - the same way I haven't chosen a file or other list item until I select it.
13:13:15JdGordonbut the settings are (90% of them anyway) live...
13:13:35linuxstbI think of that as a preview of the setting.
13:13:44linuxstbi.e. what will happen if I choose it.
13:16:10caxlinuxstb: blueMSX maintainers are working now on making it faster and more portable. When they finish their work, I will modify my Rockbox-for-fMSX code to work with blueMSX. Until then I will continue playing fMSX on my Sansa (except sound everything is working now, and it took me just a week to port)
13:17:09JdGordonpetur: you liked the idea of creating a "rec theme" config yeah? which folder should they be saved to?
13:17:26peturgood question
13:18:25peturno, I'd rather have .rockbox/recpresets
13:18:30stripwaxJdGordon : - hmm, actually, taking a look at rockpaint, since that also resizes..
13:19:17stripwaxoh, wait. right. the bmpresize patch includes a patch for rockpaint.
13:19:22stripwaxignore me
13:19:26JdGordonpetur: recpresets it is then :)
13:20:02*petur gets the feeling this rec presets thing will cause another jump in the codesize
13:20:30peturre-using common settings code?
13:20:45JdGordonall code is beign reused, except the menu item
13:20:51peturah nice
13:21:11JdGordonthe worst part is flagging the settings we want as a recsetting
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13:23:54LinusNlinuxstb: yes, that's a way of thinking about it, but i think that is quite inefficient
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13:24:35LinusNalso, that's actually how rockbox used to work, before the cancel was introduced
13:25:09LinusNi miss those days :-)
13:25:37linuxstbcax: So do you still intend to try and find a way to distribute your fMSX port in the meantime?
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13:25:56linuxstbLinusN: I'm not sure I understand why pressing right instead of left is inefficient...
13:26:31LinusNbecause you intuitively press left to leave the setting when you're done
13:26:38LinusNat least i do
13:26:47*petur too
13:27:09*JdGordon thought the desicion from devcon was final? and just cared about the actual implementation....
13:27:18LinusNit is
13:27:40B4gdernothing is ever final!
13:27:49linuxstbNo users (apart from long-term Rockbox hackers) seem to be complaining that it's unintuitive though...
13:28:18*Llorean is voting for either "Left to cancel" or "No cancel at all", but not "Left to accept, and some other button to cancel" because that seems more confusing to him than either of the other two
13:29:48peturvoting is useless now :)
13:30:18Lloreanpetur: Well, if I'm lucky I can get "no cancel at all" since that's just a method of implementing it. :-P
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13:33:02JdGordonwhy is having a cancel so bad?
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13:33:07LinusNi won't miss the cancel function much
13:33:25peturmost of the time you're changing a setting, which takes effect the moment you select it. I feel it natural that you have to cancel explicitly and accept automatically, since accepting is what you do most of the time
13:33:52petur'stop' (on h300) can cancel, no?
13:34:02LinusNseems like a natural choice
13:34:06linuxstbShouldn't "stop" stop playback?
13:34:12LloreanI think stop should stop playback.
13:34:13LinusNnot in the settings
13:34:35*petur suggests we have another devcon
13:34:40LloreanEspecially with live settings (ones that take effect when you highlight them), why can't cancel just be "highlight the one you had before"
13:35:01LinusNthat's as good as anything
13:35:12linuxstbLlorean: Now _that's_ inefficient - meaning you have to scroll back to where you were before, instead of pressing one button.
13:36:07LinusNi would think that you most often cancel the setting when you don't intend to fiddle with it anymore
13:36:25LinusNso i guess it makes sense to leave the screen when you cancel
13:36:58LloreanTo me at least, you don't often actually go to a setting screen, highlight something, and decide not to use it.
13:37:25LloreanEspecially with settings that update when highlighted, you feel like the setting is already in effect, confirmed simply by highlighting it rather than by pressing a button after.
13:38:51linuxstbI go into settings to see what they are set to, and like the fact that I can press a cancel button to ensure I haven't accidentally changed it.
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13:45:34peturis it me or is 'rolo required' detection broken again?
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13:50:32n1spetur: it has been working fine for me...
13:50:46JdGordonpetur: patch is finished except for flagging the rec settings, shuold I go and cmmit so others can choose which settings to put in the config?
13:51:02JdGordonthe diff is tiny :)
13:51:15peturI would put all rec related settings in it
13:51:27*JdGordon doesnt know which they are
13:51:28peturrec dir, encoder settings, ...
13:51:47peturgain levels, AGC settings
13:52:01peturrec trigger, ...
13:53:14peturcan you put it in the tracker? I got to go real soon but I may build quickly and look at it while enjoying real life ;)
13:53:44JdGordonfaster over dcc
13:54:03peturok, received, thanks
13:54:13JdGordononly the ui is there... without the flagging done it wont actually save anything to the config
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13:58:57otihB4gder: hi, i build rockbox myone and downloaded it from your archive, this is exactly the same. and i can run it on my ipod ( i only build the ipod 4G gray port )
13:59:58B4gderas I said, the proplem was that the build master failed to copy (scp) the zips from you
14:00:07B4gderthe build logs show it
14:00:15otihah ok ;)
14:00:22otihthen i missunderstood
14:00:23B4gderI don't know why it did
14:00:43B4gderwell, I was very clear so the fault was probably mine
14:00:47B4gderwas NOT
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14:01:45otihhmm, any idea? i haven´t one
14:02:07B4gderit works fine for the other servers
14:02:16XavierGrJdGordon: I say commit it first and then we could talk about it all over again :P
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14:08:48alperkanathey there.. i have freezes when i try to create a database even if i don't have any music files on my ipod video (5g)
14:09:26badsheepyare you sure you dont have freezes ONLY when you dont have any music files
14:10:01alperkanatsorry, i couldn't understand ?
14:10:06badsheepywell when you have music on there does it still break?
14:10:32alperkanati'm copying music files to it right now.. i'll tell you that in a few minutes
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14:47:30*chrisjs169 starts
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14:48:11intgr(Ping timeout?)
14:48:32chrisjs169i guess
14:48:35stripwaxOkie dokie. I've copy+pasted+tweaked the bmpresize code and moved it into the plugin lib, and changed my sliding_puzzle patch to use that and local fns instead of the bmpresize and albumart patches. Just rebuilding to test a few different platforms. Sound ok?
14:49:07*chrisjs169 pings B4gder
14:49:14*B4gder jumps
14:50:03B4gderchrisjs169: so are you wanting anything in particular or are you just here for the ping of it?
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14:51:42chrisjs169well, i originally wanted to see if anyone was on....everything being quiet and all, then it somehow seems to have turned into a game's dead again =/
14:55:00otihwe´re working ;)
14:55:05preglowif you don't want anything in particular, there's no need to ping people
14:55:27linuxstbB4gder: ping
14:55:54B4gderI'm around if there's something quick
14:56:04linuxstbA download server update?
14:56:34linuxstb(replace the existing file with the same name with that version).
14:56:57linuxstbThe previous version was broken and gave people 15GB ipods...
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14:58:27otihlinuxstb: i have a problem with my server. the zip coul´nt transfered with scp after building ... could you help me with this, or do you have any idea? B4gder haven´t one ...
14:58:55linuxstbSo the zip is created correctly, but not copied?
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15:00:57linuxstbDoes the master build server initiate the scp?
15:01:23XbooXlinuxstb i dunno what happened after i fixed the Apple Firmware, but i have like negitive 1 million or billion gigabytes of space left on my ipod in itunes lol. not a big deal tho, i use Anapod anyways ;)
15:01:28otihi think so
15:02:35otih( )
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15:03:30linuxstbDid B4gder attempt copying the zip file manually?
15:03:42otihdon´t know
15:04:43linuxstbCan you scp files from your server OK?
15:05:00otihyes, of course, i do everythink with scp
15:05:17linuxstbHave you tested the rbclient account?
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15:05:35B4gderthe zip file is deleted together with the rest of the build files after the (failed) transfer
15:05:42B4gderso we can't test it manually afterwards
15:06:57otihi haven´t tested it, but i must be ok ... or the server woun´t compile anything, does it?
15:07:13B4gderthe account works to login to, yes
15:07:21linuxstbBut it looks like the masterbuild log file is scp'ed OK?
15:07:33B4gderit seems only the build zips fail
15:08:02linuxstbIs the zip definitely created?
15:08:17LinusNmaybe the zip tool is missing?
15:08:17otihyes, i think so
15:08:26otihzip is installed
15:08:54otihif i build it manually, all is ok
15:09:23linuxstbAnd there's nothing odd with file/directory permissions?
15:09:49B4gderthe copy also seems to fail rather quickly
15:09:49otihno, all belongs to rbclient
15:10:01LinusNor something like odd characters in the path to the file?
15:10:07LinusNlike spaces
15:10:21otihno nothing, i think
15:11:43otihbut perhaps, somebody could look ...
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15:16:43otihi don´t know what went wrong
15:17:53pixelmaJdGordon: seen this post ?
15:18:02linuxstbotih: If you look at the very start of this IRC log, you'll see Bagder describing how to test running the script remotely -
15:18:23linuxstbYou could try that, and try and debug it by mimicing the build server's communication.
15:19:46otihok, i´m going to test it ;)
15:20:33B4gderthe script is available as a reference as well
15:21:52otihperhaps anybody else could help me with that?
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15:30:00otihok, thx. but i wanna support you, and don´t wanna read all you buildscripts ;)
15:30:07*entheh is off
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15:31:42B4gderand how is that not supporting?
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15:32:14B4gderto get your server working, we need to find the flaw
15:33:37otihyeah i know, but you know your scripts better, than me ... ;) and if i read all your stuff i could´t work for other things ;)
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15:34:05otihi thought you could find a solution faster ;)
15:35:18B4gderwell, since I haven't yet and you seem to have the time...
15:35:57otihi have also to do a lot of work ;(
15:36:20JdGordonpixelma: thanks, reoplyin now
15:36:33B4gderotih: really?
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15:43:18stripwax updated, let me know your thoughts please
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15:49:49JdGordonstripwax: looks good :)
15:50:38stripwaxJdGordon - actually, I need to fix a small bug first.. two mins..
15:50:46JdGordonexcept plugins/SOURCES isnt in the diff?
15:50:53JdGordonplguins/lib.SOURCEs even?
15:51:16JdGordonoh woops... bmp.c was already there
15:51:20stripwaxJdGordon - yep :)
15:51:31linuxstbB4gder: Can you give me a copy of I've just accidentally deleted it from my build server....
15:52:09B4gderand yeah, it is a bit too keen on deleting stuff ;-)
15:52:19JdGordonstripwax: only for colur targets?
15:52:36stripwaxJdGordon - not at all, works on H120 too. (or did when I built the sim)
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15:53:08JdGordonlib/bmp.c is only compiled on colour targets...
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15:53:41stripwaxah. oh.
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15:53:50linuxstbB4gder: I'm going to stop experimenting with it...
15:53:50*stripwax tries rebuilding h120 sim
15:53:58JdGordonhehe you still have some debug info going on before the bmp is loaded?
15:54:31stripwaxonly when trying to locate an albumart image
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15:55:07stripwaxDoes that compile to nops on target or should it be taken out
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15:56:06JdGordonstripwax: I tihnk remove it...
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15:56:17stripwaxwill do
15:56:22JdGordonputting a splash saying "loading bmp" would be betters
15:56:50JdGordonthe rockbox logo looks funny when tis resized to fit the screen :)
15:56:57JdGordonalso, i loaded the wrong one
15:57:01stripwaxJdGordon :-)
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15:58:59linuxstbstripwax: It seems odd to search for album art bitmaps when Rockbox doesn't support album art...
16:00:16linuxstbAlso, why change the aspect ratio of the image? Could you instead change the aspect ratio of the "squares" that you move about?
16:02:09stripwaxlinuxstb - why does it seem odd to search for album art bitmaps when rockbox doesn't support album art? When I made this change I *wanted* it to generate a sliding puzzle from the current albumart, and JdGordon suggested I make that behaviour so that it doesn't depend on the AA patch. Do you think I should just remove that behaviour altogether? (seems rather unfair)
16:02:20stripwaxlinuxstb - changing the aspect ratio of the image is easier.
16:02:58*JdGordon doesnt see a reason to not search for the AA in the plugin
16:05:12stripwaxlinuxstb - if you have another suggestion for which bitmap to display in the sliding puzzle, I'm open to ideas. I've not implemented any kind of "random bitmap" logic.
16:06:22linuxstbI guess the reason I don't like the idea of committing it to SVN is that (I assume) it will need rewriting when album-art support is committed.
16:06:55JdGordonis not like hat will happen any time soon though...
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16:07:30linuxstbJdGordon: That's never stopped us refusing patches in the past because they're not the "right way".
16:07:58stripwaxso this patch is going to be refused *because* rockbox doesn't implement albumart the right way yet?
16:08:00linuxstbThe danger is that things which do stuff the wrong way will never get fixed in the future.
16:08:18stripwaxhow about this - when rockbox supports AA, *I'll* update the sliding_puzzle
16:08:38B4gderits only a plugin, I don't see any harm in committing it now
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16:09:03JdGordonstripwax: where is the AA seac code?
16:09:14JdGordonsearch sorry
16:09:35stripwaxeverything is there (except the bmpresize which is in the pluginlib)
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16:09:54JdGordonfound it...
16:10:18JdGordonlinuxstb: when AA is added, it appears that exactly one function would need updating... get_albumart_bmp_path()
16:10:26JdGordonso it would be no big deal....
16:12:22linuxstbI accept it's a small change, and only a plugin, it just feels wrong to add features to SVN that depend on patches. i.e. in order for this to be useful, a user needs album art, which they won't have unless they're running an unofficial build.
16:13:17JdGordonstripwax: also, 80char wide lines and extra DEBUGF()'s need removing
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16:13:48stripwaxJdGordon - yep, will do that
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16:14:09JdGordonlinuxstb: I see what your saying, and your probably right
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16:14:37stripwaxlinuxstb - the game works perfectly fine without any albumart on the dap.
16:14:39JdGordonbut it is only a plugin,and.. umm...
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16:15:52jazzisI have a sansa question. I see Bagder is online so I hope you can reply.
16:16:23JdGordonstripwax: also, if #if on line 251, is it needed?
16:16:32JdGordonit seems to go till the end of the file
16:16:48JdGordons/if #if/the #if
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16:17:30JdGordon... does it break the plugin on mono targets? thats bad!
16:17:31jazzisHas anyone started work on the pitch features for the Sansa? and b. the A-B repeat feature stoppped working on a recent build, is that being looked into?
16:18:32jazzisIn both cases the menus are not available.
16:20:40JdGordonjazzis: a-b mode wrks
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16:21:01JdGordonthe keys are terrible thuogh
16:21:14linuxstbstripwax: Going back to my aspect ratio question - of course it's easier to reshape the image, but I can't imagine it looks very nice...
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16:21:27stripwaxJdGordon - lemme check. it works (worked..) when I built for archos recorder last
16:21:58stripwaxlinuxstb - perhaps that could be a future incremental improvement
16:23:15Nico_Pstripwax: does it choose a random bitmap on the DAP's disk ?
16:23:16JdGordonthe picthscreen is all software based isnt it?
16:23:41stripwaxNico_P - no (see above, I haven't written any random bmp behaviour)
16:24:29Nico_Pstripwax: and another question : how does the bitmap resizing work ? i.e. what does it aks as entry and what resizing algorithm does it use ?
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16:24:46Nico_Pcan it resize a bitmap in memory ?
16:24:48stripwaxNico_P- don't know, I didn't write it.
16:24:52stripwaxtake a look at the code :-)
16:25:01Nico_PI will
16:25:05stripwaxNico_P - it resizes *while loading*
16:25:23stripwaxpretty sure it's just pixel scaling (saw no indication of interp)
16:25:50Nico_Panyway I'm in favour of committing it. sliding puzzle has needed a touchup for a long time
16:26:09JdGordonjazzis: seems the pitchscreen isnt compiled for the sansa at all... not sure why though
16:26:15stripwaxJdGordon : - the #endif is on line 461 ish. mono targets have none of that code.
16:26:43JdGordonah yes, missed it
16:27:04stripwaxrecorder uses the old fishes picture
16:27:23stripwax(as will all other 1bpp targets)
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16:28:37stripwaxJdGordon - oops, looks like I did break recorder build (but not for that reason :-). Will update once I've made sure again that these targets all build again
16:29:04JdGordonjazzis: wierd... works mostly fine I think if its enable
16:30:21stripwaxJdGordon - so, how should .rockbox/rocks/sliding_puzzle.bmp be built? (It's just a file in my patch .zip for now)
16:30:54JdGordondo you want to compile it in?
16:31:25JdGordonit can be added in the build script easily enough...
16:31:29stripwaxNo, I don't think so, it should be possible for users to replace it with a different bmp if they so wish.
16:31:46stripwaxThe build script just needs to take the bmp and stick it in the rocks directory
16:31:59joshinDoes anyone here have a GigabeatF running a recent build? I'm having control issues with Firmware later than around 5/1.
16:32:20joshinIt seems to only respond to the up and down controls.
16:32:36markunjoshin: I don't have that problem
16:32:43markunand a later than 5/1 build
16:32:49markundo the side buttons work?
16:33:18stripwaxanyway - updated patch on
16:33:19joshinNope, they stay lit the whole time and nothing happens. Reverting to 20070428 is working fine.
16:34:42joshinI'll dig further and see if I can figure anything useful/helpful out.
16:35:14markunjoshin: do you have the latest bootloader?
16:35:24joshinYes, the one from 4/21
16:35:24markun(april 21)
16:35:41joshinmarkun: how many songs do you have on it?
16:35:48markunabout 5000 I think
16:36:11markunbut I don't see how that's related to the buttons
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16:37:04joshinMe neither but I'm looking for differences. :)
16:37:56markuncan you still turn off the player by holding POWER?
16:38:35markunmaybe you can try to reset the settings by holding "A" while booting
16:39:00joshinNot with the post 5/1 build and I'll try that.
16:39:12markuntry it with the latest build
16:39:37markunrenaming config.cfg should also work
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16:43:20preglowbtw, any people involved with cuesheet support here?
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16:45:25preglowif so, why isn't a cuesheet loaded if there's only one audio file and one cue file in a directory, even if they don't share file names?
16:45:33preglowa fairly common arrangement, afaik
16:48:34linuxstbYou think Rockbox should scan the directory and count files?
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16:50:45preglowit could do a restricted scan
16:50:58preglowthe disk is spinning anyway
16:52:53linuxstbI'm not sure it's worth the effort - afaik, you're the only person to complain about Rockbox not doing that...
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16:55:09*amiconn wonders what a restricted scan is
16:55:14preglowsounds weird, most mp3/cue combos i've seen are affected by that, so it doesn't really work for me
16:55:30preglowamiconn: just scan files until a. cue file is found, b. x number of files have been scanned and nothing happened
16:55:35amiconnA directory scan is a directory scan, regardless what files you're searching for
16:56:29amiconnOn average you have to scan half of the directory, and a directory can have up to 65536 entries on fat(32)
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16:56:59preglowsure, but just not a full one. restrict name search to a given number of files, so you don't waste time if there are tons of files
16:57:06preglowwell, i don't really have a clue how fat works
16:57:26amiconnYou always have to walk the directory entry by entry
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16:57:37amiconnThe directory isn't sorted
16:58:28amiconn...and there are often more entries than what's visible in the browser. Long names take more than one entry, and deleted entries are just marked
16:59:23stripwaxNico_P/JdGordon - does the committed list_accel.patch work on ipod?
16:59:38Nico_Pnot sure
16:59:52JdGordonit shuold
17:00:41JdGordonyou might have to adjust the settings though
17:00:52Nico_Ppreglow: As linuxstb said, I'm not sure it's worht the effort
17:01:07Nico_P(Im the one who adde cuesheet support, with JdGordon's help)
17:01:32stripwaxJdGordon- do the default settings not work on ipod? hrmm..
17:01:49JdGordonstripwax: they worked fine on the video.. apparently the nano isnt as nice
17:02:16stripwaxinteresting. well, i've got a video not a nano, so ..
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17:04:58joshinmarkun: I rebooted into the original Toshiba firmware and the controls are fairly intermittent there too. So never mind, it does not seem to be a rockbox issue. Now to figure out how to disassemble it and realign the buttons/controls.
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17:05:10joshinIs there a way to check the controls in the rockbox bootloader?
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17:06:05linuxstbJdGordon: I think the problem is most likely the repeat events - it's very easy to momentarily remove your finger from the clickwheel whilst scrolling, so an event gets sent without the repeat bit set. And IIUC, that will reset the acceleration.
17:06:47JdGordonit will
17:07:21JdGordonbut if we want to work aronud this we need to try adding that ipod only code back in which caused problems last time :(
17:07:33linuxstbI'm not sure of the best solution - maybe change the ipod button driver to try and avoid sending those "non-repeat" events.
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17:12:32stripwaxok, i'm outta here
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17:13:03Davide-NYCafter a loooong absence I am back for a little bit
17:13:31Davide-NYCI just want to chime in about this user-selectable recording directory
17:15:06Davide-NYCJdGordon: I think a splash screen stating that dir doesn't exist and cannot be created plus the remaining space on device followed by a confirmation to record should suffice
17:15:40Davide-NYCI.E. We have a problem... You have xxMB. Wanna goa ahead in root anyway? Y/N
17:15:42JdGordontht could work.. not exaclty the simplest solution...
17:15:56Davide-NYCIt is a single splashscreen
17:16:09JdGordoni dunno...
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17:16:38Davide-NYCWas it something I said?
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17:21:27mpeccorininls: are you around?
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17:23:32n1smpeccorini: yes
17:23:54mpeccoriniHi, I'm the one who submitted that bug-plenty patch for chessbox
17:24:10mpeccoriniI was wondering what player you were using?
17:24:11n1smpeccorini: yes I know, but it wasn't that bad
17:24:45n1smpeccorini: I tested in the h300 sim, but I can test on the player if you think it will work better there.
17:24:52mpeccoriniwell, the missing variable was because I was working on two patches at the same time and I had a mess :( sorry about that
17:25:13mpeccorinino, it's ok,
17:25:26mpeccoriniit's probably a missed keyboard mapping
17:25:52mpeccoriniI use the scroll whell in the iPod
17:25:59n1smpeccorini: tell me when you have a new patch and I'll test it
17:26:16mpeccorinigreat, thanks. but I have another question
17:26:32mpeccoriniwhat's the difference between inverted and reversed ?
17:27:18mpeccoriniI copied that part of the code from other plugin, so I thought that would have been the right way to do it
17:27:37n1sreversed = background and foreground colors are switched inversed = background color is drawn in inverse color and foreground too.
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17:28:24n1smpeccorini: it's not a big deal, just that it looks funny when one menu is drawn with reversed colors and one with inversed
17:28:24mpeccoriniso I should just change the foreground/background colors and paint the selection?
17:28:45n1sI'm not entirely sure how it's usually done
17:32:42jazzisOn the Sansa, hold play and press left(or right) does not activate the A-B repeat marker. when in A-B repeat mode.
17:34:13Davide-NYCjhMikeS: Do you need me to do anything in thee coming days? (as you can prob surmise, my free time has evaporated)
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17:35:06Davide-NYCI'm setting up my long lost cygwin install and will be compiling for RTC going forward. Willing to test stuff if you make it easy for me? ;-)
17:35:36Davide-NYC(the question mark should have been an exclamation mark)
17:36:54mpeccorinin1s: ok, thank you very much, I'll look into all the things and let you know when you can test again.
17:38:14caxlinuxstb: you've asked me whether I still want to find a way to legally distribute fMSX-Rockbox. Sure yes, and if I understand things right, the only way is to distribute my part of the code under GPL, and give the link to fMSX sources, so the user should compile it himself
17:39:42pixelmajazzis: the description of the keys you have to press is wrong in the sansa's manual (it's red to show "fixme") - but I don't know how it's done there (don't have a sansa)
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17:41:17n1sjazzis: it should work with powe+right/left
17:41:18caxlinuxstb: I understand that this task is not for the average user, but it seems there is no other solution until blueMSX will be optimized for rockbox, and it may take months or even more.
17:42:32jazzisAh Thank you so much it is power Right left the manual is wrong
17:43:45n1sjazzis: I don't see those keys at all in the sansa manual, where did it say that it was the play button?
17:44:33jazzispage 45 chapter 7 under shuffle and A-B
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17:45:26n1sah ok I was looking at the wps key table where it's mentioned for other targets...
17:45:34*n1s will fix
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17:46:19jazzisI was working using the Play Left-Right combo a week or so ago, something changed i guess
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17:46:52linuxstbcax: If you do that, it's inevitable that people will start distributing binaries. I've also been where you've been - I ported an early version of MAME to Rockbox, before realising the MAME license didn't allow me to. So I abandoned it, and ported PIE (a GPL'd pacman arcade emulator) to Rockbox instead...
17:47:41donutman25how do do i enable pitch screen on the sansa
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17:48:10n1slinuxstb: yeah, if you had released a working mame port, it'd be in every unofficial build...
17:48:57caxlinuxstb: does it mean you will ask me to stop distributing sources ?
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17:49:37pixelmadonutman25: it should be in the wps context menu (as the manual chapter 4.3.3 tells me)
17:49:43jazzisSomeone told me earlier that the sansa pitch screen has just been left out of the build. maybe, just an oversight?
17:50:22pixelmaoh? Don't know then :/
17:50:28linuxstbcax: I wouldn't ask you to do that, and I don't think I even have any right to. I'm just saying that once you share your sources, other people will pay less attention to licenses than you.
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17:53:50caxlinuxstb: and ? will that do any harm ? fMSX for Windows is not free, but fMSX for Symbian is, and fMSX for Unix has all sources downloadable. There exist tens of fMSX ports for various platforms, and most of them are distributed under dual license: fMSX part with original license, and platform-specific code undel GPL.
17:54:48otihlinuxstb: could you help me with fixing the build server problem?
17:55:11mpeccorinin1s: how strict is the rule of not having lines longer than 80 characters? I have some lines like "color[locn[ply->row_to+(j*rk_offs[i][0])][ply->column_to+(j*rk_offs[i][1])]] == ply->player" which would be harder to read if they're split
17:55:21donutman25ok thanks
17:55:44mpeccorinithat one is not really over 80 but it gets well over 80 because of indentation
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17:56:35n1smpeccorini: well, readability is the more important aspect, break the rule where it makes sence but try to stay below 80
17:57:38caxlinuxstb: and I even didn't started talking about ROMs and disk images to be used with emulators, that 99% of their users have no right to use
17:58:15mpeccorinin1s: got it, thanks
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18:00:06linuxstbcax: I'm fully aware about ROMs and disk images, and that emulators are generally used illegally. But that doesn't mean I want to encourage people to make parts of Rockbox "non-free" (in the GNU meaning of the word free).
18:01:54mpeccorinin1s: I looked at the mappings for the H300 and the selection on the list should change with BUTTON_UP|BUTTON_REPEAT or BUTTON_DOWN|BUTTON_REPEAT.
18:02:25mpeccorinin1s: I don't know exactly how you do that in the H300, but perhaps holding BUTTON_UP and BUTTON_DOWN for a while
18:02:38*amiconn needs a command line mp3 tagger that does id3v2.3
18:02:43linuxstbotih: I'm not sure what I can do unless you wanted to give me ssh access to your build server. I attempted to test on my own build server, and accidentally deleted most of rbclient's home directory....
18:02:46amiconn..for windows
18:03:39n1smpeccorini: ah, yeah that works but it's really strange, and should work with just pressing the button too
18:03:44otihlinuxstb: you could get access ...
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18:04:16*mpeccorini thinks amiconn would like this link
18:04:18n1smpeccorini: also it moves the wrong way, if i hold the up button the selector moves down
18:04:44mpeccoriniok, but it moves \o/
18:05:02otihlinuxstb: perhaps you have time tonight or tomorrow? i have to go to a friend fixing something
18:05:23mpeccorinithey're wrong because in the iPod it makes sense to scroll down if you "scroll forward" with the whell
18:05:34mpeccorinim1s: I'll change that for all the other players
18:05:50mpeccorinin1s: do you think I should take the "BUTTON_REPEAT" out?
18:06:04linuxstbotih: See your PMs
18:06:32mpeccorinin1s: or do I handle both options?
18:06:37n1smpeccorini: IMO it sould work on both
18:07:03amiconnmpeccorini: Not quite...
18:08:05joshinmarkun: FYI, I removed the front cover on my GB F40 and the bare touchpad was working fine. Put the cover back on and all is well (with minimal scratches to the case from opening it). Thanks for the help!
18:08:24markunjoshin: no problem, glad it's fixed
18:08:33mpeccoriniamiconn: doesn't it do what you wanted?
18:08:38linuxstbamiconn: Have you looked at this?
18:08:59amiconnmpeccorini: for windows...
18:09:05mpeccorinin1s: ok, I'll do that
18:09:15mpeccoriniamiconn: ohh, ok, sorry
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18:12:47amiconnlinuxstb: thanks :)
18:12:56linuxstbDoes that do what you want?
18:14:01amiconnI thinks so...
18:14:32amiconnI am writing a script that converts a folder of FLACs to wav, then encodes to mp3 with -nogap
18:14:56amiconnIt needs to extract the tags from the FLACs and add them to the MP3s
18:15:25amiconnExtracting can be done with metaflac as well, but I needed a soltion for adding the tags to mp3
18:15:30linuxstbShame you don't want vorbis - oggenc converts from FLAC to vorbis and keeps the tags...
18:15:48linuxstbs/don't want/can't use/
18:15:51amiconnflac->anything track by track isn't a problem
18:16:01LycoLocoamiconn: wait, why are you going from flac to wav to mp3?
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18:16:11amiconnBut anything->mp3 with -nogap _and_ preserving the tags is
18:17:49amiconnLycoLoco: how would you do that?
18:18:10LycoLocoamiconn: well, I'd just go from flac to mp3, as it's still lossless
18:18:27amiconnlame can't process flac input....
18:18:39LycoLocobut programs like dbpoweramp can
18:18:42amiconnAnd I need to pass all tracks _at once_ to lame
18:18:51amiconn...because I want -nogap
18:19:08amiconnThat's the whole point
18:19:48amiconnFor albums without seamless tracks it's simple; I transcoded using foobar (and then had to run mp3tag over it since foobar only writes id3v2.4 which I don't want)
18:19:50donutman25can someone tell me where in source i have to go to enable the pitch screen for sansa?
18:21:39linuxstbdonutman25: I think it's the firmware/export/config-e200.h file
18:21:49donutman25ok thanks
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18:25:39n1samiconn: do you know if ab repeat is supposed to work for the player, it has AB_REPEAT_ENABLE defined but no keys in the keymap.
18:26:03amiconnUmm, I have no idea...
18:26:22amiconnCan't test right now
18:26:56n1sah, ok, I'll not add anything about it in the manual then
18:27:51*amiconn never used AB repeat at all...
18:30:14linuxstbamiconn: What's wrong with id3v2.4? (I don't know the difference...)
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18:31:29pixelmalinuxstb: he can't answer atm... he doesn't want to use it (if avoidable) because many pc apps don'r support it
18:31:54linuxstbAh, OK.
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18:33:04mpeccorinin1s: I've submitted a new patch file with all your comments taken care of.
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18:34:00*amiconn got a visit from mr. blue screen :(
18:34:09n1smpeccorini: ok, I will test
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18:34:35mpeccorinin1s: by the way, I did the reversed colors swapping foreground/background. You're right, it looks different
18:35:15mpeccorinin1s: let me know if the mappings work for you this way. I suggest you try the "repeat", some files could have more than a thousand games
18:36:19linuxstbmpeccorini: I've been meaning to ask why PGN files store multiple games? Why don't people want to store one game per file?
18:37:32mpeccorinilinuxstb: it's defined that way in the PGN specification. I think it may be because you can have millions of games and you don't want too many files
18:38:14mpeccorinilinuxstb: also, that way, you can store together all the games of a tournament, for instance. Or all the games that share the same opening
18:39:04linuxstbYou could just put them in the same directory. But I'm guessing the actual game data is tiny, and lots of very tiny files isn't good...
18:39:42mpeccorinilinuxstb: yes, that's probably the strongest argument, a single game fits in less than 1 Kb
18:39:44*amiconn also lost his script, even though saving frequently :(
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18:42:00n1smpeccorini: I get lots of errors about redefinitions in chessbox_pgn.[ch]
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18:43:19mpeccorinin1s: :( I don't understand why, mine compiles ok. I must have done something wrong when generating the patch file
18:43:23mpeccorinin1s: ... again
18:43:41n1shmm, it seems patch messed up and included the file twice...
18:44:16linuxstbn1s: Did you still have an older version of those files in your local tree?
18:44:54n1slinuxstb: ah, yes that's probably it I did a svn revert but those files were added by the patch
18:45:08linuxstbn1s: That would do it... I've had that problem before.
18:45:08n1scompiles fine now :-)
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18:45:27a1titude"The poor ipod runtime is due to no one knowing how to disable all the onboard crap on the PP CPU used in the Ipod." ?
18:45:27a1titudeDoes anyone know what they mean?
18:45:59Bagdera1titude: that we don't know the PP chips enough to make the run-time as good as the ipod original?
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18:47:09linuxstbBagder: I've just logged onto otih's build server (ssh rbclient@....) and built a version of Rockbox, then scp'ed the zip file from my PC, and it all went smoothly. Nothing seems odd to me there at all...
18:47:10AceNikguys what is this change in the sound.h file , everything in it has changed, do we have a volume limit in it now
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18:47:33a1titudehaha It just confused me, it dousn't seem to fit with what I know about rockbox.
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18:48:41Bagderlinuxstb: puzzling indeed
18:49:29n1smpeccorini: well, now the list works fine :-) the selection appears to dissapear when a line starts to scroll though, and I get segfaults in the sim if I wait until one of the longer lines has scrolled to the end and then press select.
18:49:40AceNikalso will the H10 scrollpad acceleration patch be affected with the recent scroll acceleration in the list
18:50:04BagderAceNik: 1) try it or 2) ask the patch author
18:50:53AceNikill try it, but can u help me with the sound problem i described above
18:51:15BagderAceNik: it mentioned no problem, just a question
18:51:18Bagderand the answer is no
18:51:35mpeccorinin1s: you're right, it disappears, I don't know how to make it stay inverted
18:51:50BagderI'll bbl
18:51:55mpeccorinin1s: but I don't get the segfaults, I wonder what that can be
18:53:51n1smpeccorini: gdb tells me that it's crashing at line 559 in chessbox_pgn.c (although this might be one of the very nice 64 bit related crashes...
18:54:08mpeccorinilinuxstb: do you know how to make a scrolling text keep the colors it was displayed with?
18:54:21linuxstbmpeccorini: I don't think you can.
18:56:42mpeccorinin1s: you should have a chessbox.log file in the rocks folder. can you send it to me please.
18:56:59mpeccorinin1s: are you using the PGN file I attached to the patch or a different one?
18:57:29AceNikbadger: where has this gone now , can you help with wht replaced this code in the sound.h enum {
18:57:31AceNik SOUND_VOLUME = 0,
18:57:31AceNik SOUND_BASS,
18:57:31AceNik SOUND_TREBLE,
18:57:31DBUGEnqueued KICK AceNik
18:57:31AceNik SOUND_BALANCE,
18:57:31n1smpeccorini: I'm using the attached one
18:58:49mpeccorinin1s: which game?
18:59:51linuxstbAceNik: Check the "commits in the last 4 weeks" link on the front page of the website - that will show you the SVN commit that changed it.
19:00:04AceNikguys can someone verify if the solitaire games work properly cause they seem to have a problem with the games they manage to arrange , very few of them are enuine n get over
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19:00:57AceNik linuxstb: i know the commit that changed it , the <audiohw> commit, but i dont possibly c how to ix the patch now, cause the whole file doesnt have enum in it any more
19:01:00Domonoky_is there a script to make .talk files with the free text2speak programms (like flite or Festival) ?
19:02:25linuxstbAceNik: Have you looked in all the files changed by that patch?
19:02:47n1smpeccorini: move the selector to the games that begins with Onat Imham and wait until the line has scrolled to the end then press select, this gives me a segfault
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19:02:57AceNiklinuxstb:ill be back gimme 2 min s
19:04:05mpeccorinin1s: it worked fine here ...
19:04:08linuxstbDomonoky_: The build system includes the ability to make the .talk files - just select "V" for voice (instead of N for normal, etc)
19:04:24n1smpeccorini: weird, ah well
19:04:26mpeccorinin1s: can you look for chessbox.log after getting the error please
19:04:30linuxstbDomonoky_: Or am I confusing .talk with something else?
19:05:35Domonoky_linuxstb: i meant the files you need to have your dirs and files talking.. (thinking about integrating it in rbutil )
19:05:49linuxstbDomonoky_: Then yes, I'm confused so ignore me.
19:06:24Domonoky_linuxstb: i think the build system can generate the voice file for taking mens..
19:06:35n1smpeccorini: sure
19:07:39AceNikok here's a question sometimes while patching, when rej files are formed, they mention to cut the statements are all the statements meat to be cut blindly , or some of them could be not meant to be cut
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19:08:24ipodguydoes anyone know if rockbox is develouping for ipod nano 2nd gen
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19:10:13mpeccorinin1s: definitely weird, parsing the game was not the problem, but the line were you got the error is inside that routine.
19:10:58mpeccorinin1s: the log is written right before the line that gave you the error, so I would definitelly have spotted an error parsing that file
19:12:56mpeccoriniipodguy: no, not yet, at least
19:13:15mpeccoriniipodguy: and since apple changed the chips, I think it will be kind of hard to do
19:15:10n1smpeccorini: it seems like it has nothing to do wiht scrolling jus which game I select, the one that starts with Lee also crashes
19:17:18mpeccorinin1s: that one works fine here too :(
19:17:31mpeccorinin1s: are you still using the simulator?
19:17:44mpeccorinin1s: perhaps I should setup the simulator too and test that way
19:17:51n1smpeccorini: yes, do you want me to test on my payer
19:18:03mpeccoriniif it's ok with you
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19:19:30a1titudejust dooing a search on portalplayer and apparently its now owned by nvidea.... haha I compleatly missed that news, how long ago was it? Maby I need to re-think my choice in blogs! :p
19:20:26AceNikhey guys which of these statements is right : 1.#elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H10_PAD or 2.#elif (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H10_PAD)
19:20:40AceNikie without brackets or with
19:20:56linuxstbBoth work the same - I think it's just personal preference.
19:22:25IzuilJust wondering how much knowledge do I have have to have to be able to back engineer my mp3 player?
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19:24:08linuxstbIzuil: This page briefly describes the process of porting Rockbox to a new device -
19:24:33Izuilokey, thanks :) will check it out now :)
19:24:58n1smpeccorini: ok it works nicely on my player, the list is a little weird though, both the invisible selector and that the lines scroll so very slow.
19:25:07n1sno crashes at all
19:26:24Domonoky_n1s: thanx for fixing the typo in rbutil, feel free to improve it more :-)
19:27:38n1sDomonoky_: I today realized that feisty had the correct version of wxwidgets in the repo so I wanted to try it out :-) maybe I'll take a better look at it sometime
19:28:19Domonoky_:-) please do..
19:29:07AceNikuys im making changes to the sokoban improvements patch #6702, kindly please sync it to the svn this time , please
19:29:18mpeccorinin1s: I don't know why it was very slow at the beginning, but it improved after restarting
19:31:24mpeccorinin1s: can it be because it's still writing the log file? I can take that part away if you want
19:32:08n1smpeccorini: did you test with the sim on your maschine?
19:33:07mpeccorinin1s: no, I've never used the sim
19:33:14donutman25linuxstb: was there any specific reason the pitchscreen was left out for sansa?
19:33:53mpeccorinin1s: I installed it once, but when I replaced the .rock file it didn't work, so I figured I was supposed to compile with the sim everytime
19:34:13n1smpeccorini: could you? it would be useful to find out if it is a problem with my computer (or 64 bit assuming you don't run 64 bit)
19:34:36n1smpeccorini: yes, you need to compile rocks with the sim for them to work
19:35:15mpeccorinin1s: so do I just make a different build folder for sim, configure it that way and then I can copy the .rock file to the simulator?
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19:36:04n1smpeccorini: no, just make another build forder, configure, make then make install and it should have all the plugins included
19:36:49mpeccoriniwhere will it "install" rockbox?
19:37:03mpeccoriniwill it create the simulator executable inside that folder?
19:37:10n1sin a subfolder calle darchos inside the build folder
19:37:25n1sthe executable will be inside the build folder
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19:37:48mpeccorinin1s: ok, thanks
19:38:40mpeccorinin1s: do you want me to use any specific target?
19:39:37n1smpeccorini: i tested with the h300 sim but it shouldn't matter
19:40:04mpeccorinin1s: ok, I'll use iPod nano then
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19:52:06IzuilHmm I've just written a mail to kingston too see if they can release the schematics and stuff like that
19:52:25IzuilLet's say they do that, what's left to do then?
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19:59:37dmdfanI was just curious, does Rockbox improve boot time on Sansa?
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20:27:08AceNikfinally finished patch for sokoban gr8 improvements #6702, please please sync this , commit it to the svn please
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20:38:28justthisguyAceNik: don't you need to commit it yourself?
20:39:09AceNiki never have committed a patch , can i ? how do u commit it then , dont i need someone to approve of it
20:39:33bluebrotheryou can't
20:39:49bluebrotherunless you have commit access. You can submit a patch to the tracker though.
20:39:57justthisguybluebrother: oh, no commit access
20:40:12AceNiki did submit it to the tracker , #6702
20:40:18bluebrotherhe wouldn't be nagging if he had commit access, would he? ;-)
20:40:25AceNikplease approveof it , n commit it someone
20:41:37bluebrotherAceNik, you comment is _really_ hard to read. Please write proper english and use correct sentences instead of worms
20:42:21AceNiki have already synced & improved the patch , please approve of it , & kindly commit #6702
20:44:41bluebrotheragain: your comment on that patch is really hard to read.
20:45:05bluebrotherthere is at least some possibility that a couple of people simply don't read it because of this.
20:45:24bluebrotherand as I'm absolutely not interested in sokoban I won't look into it.
20:45:45AceNik bluebrother: just go ahead & see the #6702 if you can do help fine otherwise buzz off , u ***
20:46:45bluebrotheroh, are we polite?
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20:49:56mpeccorinin1s: are you around?
20:50:15n1smpeccorini: yep
20:50:56mpeccorinin1s: I tested the patch in the simulator and it did crash in the same games it was crashing on your computer
20:51:03mpeccorinin1s: so it's not 64 bit related
20:51:21n1saha, but simulator specific, fun :-)
20:51:31mpeccorinin1s: yep
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20:51:56mpeccorinin1s: I'll dig in the code a little and make a new version of the patch
20:52:12mpeccorinin1s: at least now I have the sim setup :p
20:52:43n1syeah, it's kind of bad to commit stuff with know crash-bugs :-)
20:53:08mpeccoriniI agree. It should work in the sim too
20:53:34mpeccoriniI was hoping to start working in the next features thou
21:02:17amiconnlinuxstb: Hmm, turns out 'tag' doesn't do what I need :/ It can read id3v1 and v2, but only writes v1
21:02:23CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
21:02:23*amiconn googles
21:02:44bluebrotherhow about using foobar and its mass tagger plugin? Won't that work?
21:03:25amiconnI need a command line tagger
21:04:13amiconn...because I know of no single gui transcoder that can use lame -nogap when transcoding to mp3
21:04:31amiconnSo I wrote a vbscript, using various command line utilities
21:07:40bluebrotherhave you checked cdex? iirc you can use arbitrary command lines when setting up a custom encoder
21:07:59bluebrotherbut it's a while since I used it ... not sure if my memory serves me right
21:08:21amiconn−−nogap requires to pass all files at once
21:08:35amiconnNo ripper or transcoder I know of can do that
21:08:56bluebrotherok, then I guess I'm remembering wrongly
21:09:49amiconnMost of them can pass arbitrary parameters, that's not the problem
21:10:08bluebrotheranother idea: perl's MP3::Tag module?
21:10:10amiconnPlus, the files are already ripped to flac, and Iwon't rip them again
21:10:18amiconnIn vbscript?
21:10:39bluebrotherrun a perl script from vb? ;-)
21:10:54*bluebrother doesn't know vb
21:12:31amiconnIn fact that might even work, but I'll try 'id3' first
21:12:40amiconnAnd vb != vbscript
21:13:15amiconnActiveState perl sort of integrates into the windows scripting engine
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21:20:07amiconnwee, works :)
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21:35:28element_gHey everyone
21:36:36element_gI've made some bugfixes to some unlicensed themes, can I post a link on the wiki page to where I've hosted them externally?
21:37:23n1sunlicensed == usin gcopyrighted images whithout permission?
21:37:58peturCassandra removed most themes that violate some copyright
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21:38:45peturelement_g: yes, post them to the same wiki page, add them as remark to the theme you fixed
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21:42:10element_gthanks petur
21:43:07element_gn1s: unlicensed means that the author has not stated the license of the theme, therefore I can't upload fixed/modified versions to the wiki.
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21:53:09moosn1s: the names of people are supposed to be at the end of the names list before teams name
21:53:22moosin the credits file I mean
21:54:02linuxstb_moos: Are they?
21:54:44moosI thought that yes, remenbered something like this
21:55:10midkayme too, makes more sense to me that they should..
21:55:17moosen plus, that's better to have them separated, no?
21:55:28midkayor we've got like 200 names, then out of nowhere about 20 different teams, and then more names?
21:55:33midkaymakes little sense.
21:55:40bluebrotherspeaking of this, I wondered if it would better to have a separate file for those?
21:55:43moosindeed, same here
21:56:11midkaybluebrother: even that would make good sense.. but mixing them up doesn't look nice.
21:56:19bluebrotheryeah, I agree
21:56:52moosthat remind me that there is a patch for scroling the names IIRC
21:57:06bluebrotherby having two files we could add some kind of titles to the lists. Like "contributors" and "contributing projects"
21:57:15midkayright.. and yes, moos, there is. :)
21:57:22midkay(have to run now though.. back later.)
21:57:26Joelyhey..I'm _still_ working on that crazy IR module for rockbox.. and i was talking over the design with some people...they all (like i thought) said to get some more input from the rockbox community...'s a quick diagram of the design i'm currently working on! : any suggestions are welcome.
21:57:32moosmidkay: c you
21:59:02bluebrotherJoely, can you explain that a little? I don't see what's the ir stuff in there (except that there is a receiver)
21:59:31Joelywell the whole device node to the left is the ir module
22:00:04bluebrotheror for starters like me, what is it supposed to do? Doesn't look like just an ir receiver
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22:01:23Joelyoh sorry, i thought i `spammed' the rockbox irc enough about it that everyone would hate (and thus know!) me by now ;)
22:01:54bluebrothermaybe it was just me who missed it ;-)
22:02:08bluebrothercan you give me a date? Then I can look it up in the logs
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22:05:57Bagderbluebrother / moos: I added the teams to the current credits file for laziness mostly (to avoid having to touch any scripts) and I think the real names should be kept in the list before the team names
22:06:41n1sbagder,moos,bluebrother: fixed now
22:07:11bluebrotherBagder, do you think we should move the teams to a separate file at some later point?
22:07:12Bagderwe could perhaps introduce a separator
22:07:34Joelybluebrother , has my little idea in a few sentences.. but most of it has been scattered through a bunch of dates on irc... :-/
22:07:58bluebrotherJoely, ok. grepping the logs ;-)
22:08:14preglowwould be cool if the credits were scrollable
22:08:16preglowlist is kinda long, hhe
22:08:39Bagderyeah, up/down could possible do page up/down or so
22:08:52mooswe have a patch for this
22:08:59moosa pending one I mean
22:09:34moospetur: wasn't you looked at it? (maybe I have bad memory)
22:09:58peturthe patch causes crashes
22:10:08moosah :(
22:10:32peturif scrolling near the end of the list, things went boom
22:10:35Bagderwell, that too makes the list end faster ;-)
22:10:41bluebrotherJoely, sounds crazy :) Guess I'll just wait for the results from devcon-w
22:10:49moosBagder: hehe :)
22:11:03peturmust check if the poster updated his patch
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22:11:45bluebrotherhehe. How about a "this list will self destruct^W^Wcrash in 5 seconds" at the end? ;-)
22:12:15moosusing voice
22:12:30petur - no reply from patch creator
22:13:12*petur sees he tried that in his hotel room in Bromma :)
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22:17:48bluebrotherJoely, btw: have you thought about summing up your ideas in the wiki? Might possibly help the discussion.
22:18:18Joelywhere is a good place to put them?
22:18:51bluebrotherI'd suggest to create a new page and link it from the devcon-w page
22:23:27mpeccoriniguys, if I'm using the simulator, do I need to "make install" every time I "make"?
22:23:40Bagderyes, if you want the plugins to get "installed"
22:24:07mpeccorinican I just copy the individual .rock I need? make install takes quite a while !
22:24:11Bagdermake install is basically "make zip" and then unzipping that in the fake root dir
22:24:28Bagderso sure, copying works fine too
22:24:37mpeccoriniok, thanks
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22:25:29dmdfanAnyone know, does Rockbox improve boot time on Sansa?
22:25:43Bagderit does
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22:26:18Bagderinstall it and you can measure for yourself!
22:26:38dmdfanI will, should arrive this week ;)
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22:45:18mpeccorinin1s: are you there?
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22:45:58*amiconn just had an idea where to point petur to
22:46:02amiconn ;)
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22:48:33preglowso, do we have any official rockbox gsoc routine we want followed?
22:48:44preglowfor us mentors, that is
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22:49:57webguest30is anyone trying to get album artwork in rockbox
22:50:13Bagderpreglow: nope, anything particular you think we should discuss/agree on?
22:50:28Bagderwebguest30: yes, there's a gsoc project for it
22:50:30n1smpeccorini: I'm here for a short while
22:50:46krazykitmpeccorini, any half-decent irc client should support that
22:51:01webguest30ok thanks
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22:51:10mpeccorinin1s: I've fixed the crash in the simulator
22:51:15landandoes the pause-on-headphone-unplug work on the Nano?
22:51:16preglowBagder: i can't think of anything
22:51:21preglowlandan: aye
22:51:40n1smpeccorini: ah, nice, what was the problem?
22:51:46landancause its turned on, just doesnt pause :S
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22:52:02mpeccorinin1s: I made a change to allow castling to be expressed with zeros instead of capital "O", and that was making it think the result 0-1 (black won) was a valid token
22:52:07peturpreglow, Bagder: we at least need some mid-term target or evaluation (google requires it I think)
22:52:35mpeccorinin1s: castling is O-O or O-O-O, but some people writes it as 0-0 or 0-0-0
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22:52:41preglowpetur: yeah, but that's a google thing, not a rockbox thing
22:52:47n1smpeccorini: ok, have you posted the new patch so that I can commit it?
22:52:55mpeccorinin1s: yes
22:53:17mpeccorinikrazykit: how do I do that?
22:53:38krazykitmpeccorini, iunno, depends on the client. there ought to be some sort of "nick notification" or "windows notification" option somewhere
22:53:58preglowoooh, new belgian beer available here
22:54:06preglowpetur: ever had slaapmutske tripel?
22:54:29preglowi think i'll just have to try it out
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22:54:32amiconnstrange name...
22:54:46preglowamiconn: indeed
22:54:56preglowi don't even know what it means, it just sounds weird
22:54:58peturslaapmutske is how we call the last drink before going to bed :)
22:55:12preglowthat explains the logo
22:55:29amiconnpetur: I think there's an exact german translation
22:55:44amiconn...and it's not only related to drinks
22:55:49peturtriple nightcap
22:56:11mpeccorinikrazykit: I guess Visual IRC is not even "half-decent" then, perhaps I should not be using a free client :p
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22:56:34krazykitmpeccorini, or use something like xchat (crossplatform)
22:57:03peturpreglow: another brewery close to where I live :)
22:57:22mpeccorinikrazykit: I think I found it !
22:57:58amiconnThere are other free irc clients for windows
22:58:02preglowpetur: i get the feeling breweries are many and close together in belgium...
22:58:02peturmpeccorini: NetTalk can do it but you need to run their highlight script and is a bit clumsy to configure, works great once done
22:58:04krazykitmpeccorini, is the best build, i'm told
22:58:07*amiconn still prefers HydraIRC
22:58:14krazykitirssi for life
22:58:20peturpreglow: feel free to visit me :)
22:58:34*petur hugs konversation
22:58:43preglowpetur: ghent, was it?
22:59:10preglowclosest airport being?
22:59:16Ziderkrazykit: silverex is imo the best one for windoes
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22:59:40peturall airports are close here ;)
22:59:43krazykitZider, i had to go on what i was told, as i haven't had to deal with windows software for a few years now :-P
23:00:00preglowpetur: haha, so i see
23:00:02*stripwax uses Miranda IM for chat and irc
23:00:07preglowpetur: how far in travel time to ghent?
23:00:18mpeccorinikrazykit, Zider: thanks.
23:00:42peturby train from Brussels airport = 50 minutes I think
23:00:46Ziderkrazykit: same here, I've been freew from it for over 2 years now :D
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23:01:08*preglow hugs small countries
23:01:55Ziderthey gotta be REALLY small for you to get your arms around them ;)
23:02:33preglowmy love trancends physical dimensions
23:02:55preglowespecially for a country so rich in beer as belgium
23:03:06Ziderbeer, eww
23:03:17krazykitbeer, mmm
23:03:18preglowbeer, wee
23:03:33preglowgheh, more tea
23:03:39krazykitthat was my favorite part of germany .75EU beer
23:03:54Ziderbeer is just disgusting imo :P
23:04:48preglowsmall-ass country, and it still has nearly twice as many people in it as norway
23:04:54preglowtoo cold here, i guess
23:05:46*moos notices again an alcohlic deviation : )
23:05:50*petur likes big cold countries
23:06:06 Quit amiconn (" upgrading client...")
23:07:02preglowi was actually brewing alcohol a little over an hour ago
23:07:16preglowleft my bread yeast/water/sugar solution standing a bit too long, heh
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23:07:19peturdesperate are we? :p
23:07:49preglowi did manage to not drink it
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23:08:01preglowthe day i'll drink that, i think i'll join the local monastery
23:08:26krazykitthe day you drink that, you'll probably join the morgue
23:08:38moospreglow: my recurrent proposition for a free addiction consultation is still available ;-P
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23:09:01preglowi'm not addicted, i can quit any time i want to!
23:09:27peturpreglow: you'd better join a Belgian monastery, some of them brew beer ;)
23:09:29moosplease add "" for an recurent sentence used by addicted ones
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23:10:21preglowpetur: yeah, i hope westvleteren allows non-christian foreigners
23:10:26n1smpeccorini: hmmm, well now everything works ok, except I think you should use the list widget for displaying the list of games, since your colorswapping solution does not work on monochrome targets without some tweaks and the list does the line scrolling so that the selection is still visible too
23:10:49n1san example of a plugin that uses it is the text_editor
23:11:27mpeccorinin1s: all right
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23:13:10n1sI promise I will commit it tomorrow if you have fixed that :-)
23:14:39stripwaxlinuxstb - latest thoughts on sliding puzzle patch?
23:14:55mpeccorinin1s: LOL, no need to make promises, if it's ready it's ready, if not, I'll make it ready
23:14:58stripwaxI'd check the irc logs but this page isn't working
23:15:07mpeccorinin1s: I appreciate your help
23:16:03n1smpeccorini: it feels like I come up with new reasons to not commit it whenever you fix somethin, that's all, but yeah no point in rushing
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23:17:40bagawksomeone should create a BAC calculator plugin for rockbox ;)
23:19:20mpeccorinibagawk: what's a BAC calculator?
23:19:40krazykitblood alcohol concentration
23:20:04moosbagawk: and sharing high scores :)
23:20:49krazykit"the rockbox project is not responsible for any DUIs recieved after using this tool. it is purely for entertainment purposes only"
23:22:42Llorean"The Rockbox project thinks that if you're using this tool at all, you should probably hand your keys off until the morning."
23:23:21***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:23:44*petur would like a plugin that displays a golden quote at random
23:24:52linuxstb_stripwax: I don't think any more was said after you left. I still wouldn't want to commit a patch related to album-art, but jdgordon and Bagder seemed in favour.
23:26:32stripwaxwell, the patch has only a small part related to album art, so could be committed without that part if you'd prefer
23:27:22 Quit ompaul ("later much later")
23:28:11PaulJampetur: the plugin should then be called autostart.rock (with the autorock function enabled).
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23:48:35kokeradioguys anything new regarding gigabeat s30?
23:49:18 Part nano-
23:50:04saratogasomeone came up with a way to run code on it
23:50:19saratogaso a port is now possible, but I don't htink anyone has done much more then that
23:50:38saratogaonce someone picks it up, the port should be pretty quick, every piece of hardware in the gigabeat is well documented
23:50:38 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye")
23:50:49saratogajust a matter of someone sitting down with the stuff and doing it
23:52:00preglowisn't the gigabeat s the zune-like thing?
23:52:19saratogawith the insane processor
23:52:26saratoga500 MHz ARM11 w/ FPU
23:52:30preglowyou got an url for run code on it thing?
23:52:38preglowi'd be very fecking interested in one of those things
23:53:01kokeradioi personally find the zune to be ugly
23:53:04saratogahe actually updated our wiki!
23:53:10saratoganice guy
23:53:11kokeradiodunno how big the 2.0 gonna be
23:53:27saratogathe spec sheet for that arm core brought tears to my eyes
23:53:32saratoga2300 pages
23:53:44saratogahas EVERYTHING you could want to know
23:54:36preglownot only is it an fpu
23:54:37preglowit's a vector fpu
23:54:42kokeradioi'm sorry i don't understand a single thing from that page:)
23:54:58saratogayeah i know
23:55:04saratogacould probably run ffmpeg unmodified on that thing
23:55:21preglowwould be our first floating point target
23:55:27preglowgod, someone bloody pay me to code rockbox yet
23:56:12preglowit runs java
23:56:18preglowsweet lord, this thing is overkill
23:56:25saratogaI know, its so wonderful
23:57:14saratogai guess thats the future though
23:57:22saratogagot to figure out something to do with all those transistors
23:57:27preglowimage processing unit
23:57:34preglowgo away portaplayer
23:57:34preglowyou suck
23:58:17saratoganot ont hat model i believe
23:58:18 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection)
23:58:22saratogai think its optional
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23:58:34preglowahh, it's the l, yes

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