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00.02.08 #       <LinusN> nice
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00.05.25 #       <dstar> goota go guys
00.05.28 #       <dstar> see you
00.05.34 #       <pfavr> cu
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02.03.22 #       <BC> anyone in with CVS access?
02.03.35 #       <BC> (commit that is)
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02.09.38 #       <midk> lol
02.09.38 #       <midk> bc trying to slip in a quick update?
02.09.46 #       <BC> no, got a cvs question - lol
02.09.49 #       <BC> LMAO
02.10.16 #       <BC> yes, i can see how that could be misconstrued - lol
02.10.54 #       <BC> I've got a feeling that only SOME cvs changes make it as far as the rockbox page
02.11.07 #       <BC> *web page
02.16.31 #       <midk> lol
02.16.31 #       <midk> *bc hands amiconn a few bucks
02.16.36 #       <midk> "hey, do me a favor.."
02.17.05 #       <BC> there was a "cash for questions" political scandal in the UK a while back
02.17.12 #       <BC>  this is "cash for commits" - lol
02.17.41 #       <BC> the problem is that the sim libplugin support is in quite a state of flux at the moment
02.17.43 #       <midk> LMAO
02.17.56 #       <midk> amiconn's commit request line is now open
02.18.14 #       <midk> midk> oh oh! clock update! $10!
02.18.24 #       <midk> bc> audio 3587! L15!!
02.18.29 #       <midk> l with line thing
02.18.52 #       <BC> wtf?
02.18.56 #       <BC> i with the line thing??
02.19.01 #       <midk> thpound sign
02.19.07 #       <midk> pounds right?
02.19.13 #       <midk> i don
02.19.14 #       <BC> oh right - I thought it was a fancy L
02.19.23 #       <midk> i don't know the... thing code thing
02.19.24 #       <BC> any historians in?
02.19.31 #       <midk> me me!
02.19.35 #       <midk> pick me
02.19.39 #       <BC> LOL
02.19.43 #       <BC> LMAO
02.19.53 #       <BC> Shrek 2 out next week :)
02.19.57 #       <midk> lol.. now you say "hmm.. you'll do"
02.20.46 #       <BC> Donkey IS your role model - LOL
02.20.46 #       <BC> hmm... you'll do
02.20.46 #       <midk> it was out last month
02.20.46 #       <midk> wasnt it?
02.20.46 #       <midk> hmm, more on this issue as it develops.
02.21.01 #       <BC> being british sux
02.21.34 #       <BC> it's why there is so much piracy over here - they wont let us watch the films until the US audience says "it's good"
02.22.22 #       <amiconn> SOmebody's talking about me, hmm
02.22.41 #       <midk> haahahahahAHAHAHAHA
02.23.01 #       <midk> don't worry bc, you'll see it sooner or later
02.23.04 #       <midk> just after me..
02.23.17 #       <BC> hey, ami, do all CVS commits get announced on the web page?
02.23.20 #       <midk> they just want to make sure it's not to violent or mature for you
02.23.23 #       <BC> key word being *ALL"
02.23.24 #       <midk> LOL bc
02.23.32 #       <midk> bc> no? no you say?
02.23.41 #       <midk> *bc slips amiconn a twenty
02.23.45 #       <amiconn> BC: yes (if there is no bug in the scripts)
02.23.56 #       <midk> *bc slips amiconn a fifty to mess up the scrips
02.23.59 #       <midk> scripts*
02.24.40 #       <BC> amiconn: 've having a shit of a time getting my libraries compiling under todays CVS, but there seem to be no changes for that area of the code logged!
02.24.44 #       <amiconn> The key thing is that they appear on the web page with a delay - every time a "bleeding edge" compile finishes
02.25.09 #       <BC> I tried to sub to a cvs mailing list, but have yet to receive anything from it
02.25.34 #       <amiconn> Iirc, the scripts check every 20 minutes (at 00, 20 and 40) if anything within cvs changed, then compile
02.25.53 #       <BC> nice
02.26.05 #       <BC> so 20mins worst case...
02.26.39 #       <BC> ahaaaaa - and there it is - thank you :)
02.26.50 #       <midk> lol
02.26.51 #       <amiconn> (I didn't write those scripts, so this is guessed from observed behaviour)
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02.26.56 #       <midk> that is not all bc wants i think
02.27.08 #       <BC> amiconn: i like your mind ;)
02.27.16 #       <midk> BC, you forgot to ask about merging audio 3587!!
02.27.18 #       <billytwowilly> anyone know if there is a way to access an archos jukebox 6000 via an ibook? ie OSX?
02.27.42 #       <BC> billytwowilly: afaik it is a standard usb hard drive device
02.28.03 #       <billytwowilly> BC: I think you need a special driver in linux written by the guy who started rockbox
02.28.08 #       <amiconn> ajb 6000 is not standard iirc
02.28.41 #       <billytwowilly> I'm considering an ibook favourably, but if I can't get at my newly upgraded archos jukebox 6000...
02.28.47 #       <BC> amiconn: 22:00 changes only just showed up, so I think 20mins is wrong
02.29.19 #       <midk> umm
02.29.19 #       <BC> billytwowilly: nothing in the archos.com drivers download area?
02.29.25 #       <midk> 22:00 would be on the 20 minute mark
02.29.38 #       <billytwowilly> BC: all for windows. That's why I'm asking here. Google has been unhelpful as well.
02.29.44 #       <amiconn> Iin fact, all jukebox models with usb 1.1 use the isd-200 usb bridge, which needs special drivers. isd-200 is considered "unusual device" by the linux kernel usb driver developers
02.30.24 #       <BC> billytwowilly: driverguide.com?  uid: drivers  pwd: all
02.30.31 #       <amiconn> However, all jukebox models with usb 2.0 use the isd-300 usb bridge, which is usb mass storage compliant
02.31.43 #       <billytwowilly> I suppose that's what I get for buying in early;)
02.32.15 #       <BC> no luck at driverguide either :(
02.32.22 #       <billytwowilly> bc: driverguide.com seems to only have windows drivers.
02.33.08 #       <BC> geez - I'm starting to remember why I don't own a mac ....no drivers is a high price to pay for the priviledge of running NextStep
02.33.08 #       <billytwowilly> doh
02.33.29 #       <midk> nextstep?
02.33.31 #       <billytwowilly> heh, I run linux on my desktop, but ibooks are more price competitive.
02.33.39 #       <billytwowilly> aka OSX
02.33.41 #       <amiconn> billytwowilly: It _may_ be that os x does include an isd-200 driver, though
02.33.54 #       <billytwowilly> amiconn, hopefully I can try before I buy.
02.34.07 #       <BC> tell the salesman his commission depends on it
02.34.17 #       <billytwowilly> amiconn, I'll just bring it into the store to test;) Thanks guys.
02.34.34 #       <billytwowilly> I appreciate the help even though it confirms that there is no info out there on my problem.
02.35.00 #       <BC> yeah, sorry, but as you say, nice to know where you stand ;)
02.35.16 #       <billytwowilly> well, I gotta go to work. cheers
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02.35.37 #       <midk> AKA, "thanks a lot for giving me no information - bye now"
02.37.14 #       <BC> http://www.versionchecker.com/php/search.php?mode=basic&action=search&str=isd200&plt%5B%5D=macosx&jumptoCat=0&x=0&y=0
02.37.21 #       <BC> well, if ever comes back ;)
02.37.45 #       <amiconn> He simply should have taken a look at www.archos.com - there are ajb drivers for os x available
02.37.57 #       <BC> lol
02.38.15 #       * BC smashes his head against libplugin again
02.38.27 #       * BC ...and cries a little
02.38.47 #       <amiconn> BC: Don't do this, just tell me what's wrong with it. I don't have any problem compiling, though
02.39.07 #       <BC> grab my graphics lib off my page ...and try to compile it
02.39.26 #       <BC> you will need to remove the botch at the bottom of bc_gfx.h
02.39.38 #       <BC> as this has JUST been fixed
02.41.56 #       <amiconn> I get "bc_types.h: no such file or directory" ...
02.42.09 #       <BC> you will need to download that also from my page
02.42.19 #       <BC> just below the gfx lib
02.43.48 #       <amiconn> Now it does compile without warning...
02.43.57 #       <BC> for simulator?
02.44.33 #       <amiconn> No. I don't build for the sim often, since most of my stuff doesn't work on it. I'll try it now
02.44.49 #       <BC> cuppa T ...bRb
02.49.10 #       <BC> any luck?
02.49.49 #       <amiconn> Unfortunately not. "Blablabla ... sim_icons.h: No such file or directory"
02.50.03 #       <amiconn> ...plus a few more
02.50.04 #       <BC> that's the tip of the iceberg
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02.51.22 #       <amiconn> I guess you'll have to ask Bagder why this broke... this is makefile magic
02.51.45 #       <BC> yeah, but that means waiting another day
02.52.14 #       <BC> I'm all up for the quick botch - especially as there is no point in me bothing to solve core problems any more
02.53.56 #       <BC> i was hoping to finish klondike tonight, but i can't even compile any more
02.54.26 #       <amiconn> It looks like some paths are not included if building for the sim
02.55.04 #       <BC> sadly my makefile knowledge is weak :(
02.57.55 #       <amiconn> Your gfx lib reminds me that i should split the grayscale lib as well
02.58.10 #       <midk> go go bcbc
02.58.24 #       <BC> ;)
02.59.08 #       <BC> you will call everthing grey_blah, yes?
02.59.39 #       <amiconn> No, to stay with my own convention it will be gray_blah
02.59.50 #       <BC> lol
03.00.00 #       <midk> lol
03.00.07 #       <BC> I have #define SPEAK_AMERICAN in Audio-3587
03.00.22 #       <BC> lol
03.00.45 #       <amiconn> For another area: today I did some preliminary measurement of "yield() round trip time" distribution, with 0.1 ms accuracy
03.00.57 #       <BC> and?
03.01.12 #       * BC gets all eager
03.01.34 #       <BC> is it worth the code overhead to only do it every-so-often?
03.01.49 #       <amiconn> It should be possible to do a light organ by using a thread :)
03.02.02 #       <BC> I ran Starfield again today, I was amazed at how quick it runs
03.02.26 #       <BC> Oh coooooooooool
03.02.47 #       <midk> i want to try starfield
03.02.55 #       <BC> then download it!
03.02.56 #       <BC> lol
03.03.48 #       <BC> ARGH -dir.h is killing me!
03.04.53 #       <amiconn> Round trip time distribution (measured without display changes): 0.1 ms - 32%, 0.2 ms - 65%, 0.3 ms - 2%, 0.4 and more - << 0.1%
03.05.25 #       <amiconn> Longest time measured within a ~15 min cycle: 66.5 ms
03.06.16 #       <amiconn> Anyway, tts
03.06.34 #       <BC> tts?
03.06.48 #       <midk> talk to you soon.
03.06.54 #       <midk> maybe
03.06.58 #       <amiconn> time to sleep
03.06.58 #       <BC> aha - ok ami, l8rz dude
03.07.01 #       <midk> oh yeah
03.07.14 #       <amiconn> already 3:07 am here
03.07.21 #       <BC> 2.07 here
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03.08.32 #       <midk> hi bc
03.08.38 #       <BC> hello
03.10.24 #       <midk> how u.
03.11.33 #       <BC> crying
03.12.08 #       <midk> y
03.12.42 #       <BC> libplugin & sim
03.15.05 #       <midk> its ok bc
03.15.16 #       <midk> i mean
03.15.20 #       <midk> i would cry if i were you
03.15.25 #       <midk> but i'm a lout tougher and 
03.15.28 #       <midk> lot*
03.15.29 #       <midk> and smarter
03.15.30 #       <midk> etc
03.15.32 #       <midk> so it's ok
03.15.37 #       <midk> i forgive you
03.15.53 #       <BC> ahhhhh, he cares :)
03.16.04 #       <midk> yah i do
03.16.50 #       <BC> it makes all the difference
03.16.54 #       <BC>  no, really
03.16.58 #       <BC> it just compiled
03.19.35 #       <BC> well, one step closer anyway
03.20.25 #       <midk> LMAO
03.20.30 #       <midk> "no, really"
03.20.39 #       <midk> wow -- i realize just how important i am here
03.20.42 #       <midk> thanks for your help bc
03.20.58 #       <BC> yw
03.21.27 #       <midk> i realize where i lie in this path of life
03.21.34 #       <midk> i am the cockroach under the camel shit
03.21.41 #       <midk> hmm, maybe dung beetle
03.21.47 #       <BC> and what shape IS that path?
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03.21.55 #       <Fushen> hello?
03.22.00 #       <BC> ooohhh - I feel a question coming on
03.22.01 #       <BC> lol
03.22.05 #       <midk> long and... sort of curved
03.22.06 #       <midk> LOL
03.22.07 #       <BC> hello Fushen
03.22.08 #       <Fushen> >_<
03.22.17 #       <BC> LOL
03.22.19 #       <Fushen> i should....  just... go, huh? >_<
03.22.40 #       <BC> no dude, just me being pretentious
03.23.04 #       <midk> Fushen, he's always like that
03.23.07 #       <Fushen> i was just wondering if it's possible to run the jukebox without having the cd... forgot it at home...
03.23.14 #       <Fushen> is ok ;P i'm just a slow typer ;P
03.23.22 #       <midk> run the jukebox?
03.23.24 #       <BC> you mean transfer files?
03.23.25 #       <Fushen> oh
03.23.36 #       <Fushen> i mean, to connect it witohouet
03.23.39 #       <Fushen> yeah 
03.23.43 #       <BC> what OS?
03.23.46 #       <BC> what jukebox?
03.23.47 #       <Fushen> winxp
03.23.52 #       <Fushen> studio 20
03.24.00 #       <BC> yes, just connect
03.24.04 #       <BC> and *bing*
03.24.20 #       <Fushen> buy.. it says i need the cd =i
03.24.24 #       <midk> you mean
03.24.26 #       <BC> XP
03.24.26 #       <Fushen> but*
03.24.27 #       <midk> *bingBING*
03.24.30 #       <midk> that's the noise ut makes
03.24.38 #       <midk> press automatically find a driver
03.24.43 #       <midk> it will go itself, it should
03.24.50 #       <BC> hmmm, I wonder if this device is also an isd-200
03.25.03 #       <BC> if so, there are drivers on archos.com downloads
03.25.03 #       <Fushen> no an "hey we discovered something in your usb.. now you gotta install it with the cd" pops up
03.25.05 #       <midk> 20's are usb2 aren't they
03.25.22 #       <midk> um, there is an option to automatically search i thought
03.25.42 #       <Fushen> oh ok, so i'll just go and dl it from they're homepage then ^^
03.25.50 #       <Fushen> no usb1
03.25.51 #       <BC> hopefully
03.26.03 #       <BC> i'd like to know for my own records too
03.26.55 #       <BC> http://www.archos.com/download/drivers/arcusb.zip
03.33.52 #       <Fushen> yaay, it worked, thanks a million guys!
03.34.01 #       <BC> brilliant :)
03.35.34 #       <BC> somk, did you try the new bcbuild - lol
03.35.42 #       <midk> ha
03.35.44 #       <midk> hahahahaha
03.35.48 #       <midk> bcbuild
03.35.52 #       <midk> HAHAHAHAHAA
03.35.56 #       <midk> AHAHAHFAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
03.35.57 #       <BC> lol
03.36.09 #       <midk> *lightning shoots from tips of fingers
03.36.13 #       <midk> MUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
03.36.31 #       <BC> lol
03.37.12 #       <midk> *shoots lightning at bc
03.37.16 #       <midk> flee, kind sir.
03.37.23 #       <BC> flea?
03.38.01 #       <midk> FLEE
03.38.04 #       <midk> as in, run away now
03.38.20 #       <BC> not flea as in bite your ankle then?
03.39.36 #       <midk> *shoots lightning at bc
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04.53.55 #       <Fushen> well, thanks again guys and good night
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06.58.32 #       <midk> hi bcbc
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07.51.11 #       <BC> hi, i seem to have no flashy box, and no timestamping on! HM
07.52.40 #       <BC> test
07.53.04 #       <midk> hi
07.53.09 #       <midk> hi bcbc
07.53.11 #       <midk> BCBCBC
08.03.48 #       <midk> seeya all later
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08.03.52 #       <LinusN> cu
08.03.52 #       <BC> nite dude
08.03.59 #       <LinusN> ah. missed him :-)
08.04.06 #       <BC> lol - "sudden death" 
08.04.19 #       <BC> he got us both
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08.04.43 #       <BC> finally got around to reworking the klondike code - :)
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08.05.17 #       <BC> card game engine en route :)
08.05.36 #       <LinusN> c00l
08.06.57 #       <BC> hope bagder can fix the last of the libplugin issues :)
08.09.05 #       <LinusN> i didn't really see what the problem was...
08.09.26 #       <BC> some weird #define makefile stuff
08.09.42 #       <BC> can't #include "plugin.h" from a libplugin
08.10.26 #       <BC> managed to botch it and posted my results to the ml
08.10.27 #       <LinusN> what happens if you do?
08.10.42 #       <BC> errrr, from memory....
08.11.06 #       <BC> dir.h fails to define DIR
08.11.33 #       <BC> you can see it for yoursefl if you donwload the starfield code and the libs 
08.13.07 #       <LinusN> oki
08.13.36 #       <BC> as it stands it should compile, but if you look in bc_gfx.h you will see a big fat botch at the top of the file
08.14.17 #       <BC> you will need the latest cvs :)
08.14.25 #       <BC> (your words have been heeded)
08.14.58 #       <BC> ...and may I thank you once again for the time you took to help me with that - I hope the transcript is as valuable to others
08.15.24 #       <BC> I added heading on the version on my hompage - please feel free to take a copy of it, as you wish
08.15.40 #       <LinusN> thx
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08.56.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 'morning folks!
08.56.37 #       <BC> mornin'
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08.59.17 #       <adi|home> linus is there anyway to have the CVS/Root files get overwritten? some of mine are still pointing to sourceforge..
08.59.28 #       <adi|home> or am i better off to just do a clean pull from haxx?
08.59.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> clean sounds good
09.03.29 #       <adi|home> umm.. next stupid question :)
09.03.49 #       <adi|home> i was added as a CVS account.. but i dont have a password.. is there some default that is set?
09.03.57 #       <LinusN> adi|home: change the CVS/Root file in every dir
09.04.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, yes, that's what I did, too
09.04.29 #       <adi|home> yeah... i looked at that.. i was too lazy.. just doing a clean pull
09.04.46 #       <LinusN> did björn give you a cvs account on rockbox.haxx se?
09.04.54 #       <adi|home> nods
09.05.13 #       <LinusN> you should have given him a password when he did
09.05.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, you'd need a grep and replace tool, by hand it's too tedious
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09.05.38 #       <adi|home> hehe failure on communicaiton there then :)
09.05.46 #       <adi|home> i asked to maintain access.. he said sure..
09.06.04 #       <adi|home> ill drop him an emil.. no immediate rush
09.07.25 #       <LinusN> he's here now, looking it up
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09.09.02 #       <scott666> 01,0104lol
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09.09.13 #       <midk> LinusN or bagder, as for the clock document, i can update that, correct?
09.09.20 #       <midk> even if somebody else wrote it?
09.09.26 #       <Bagder> midk: you can update anything in the wiki
09.09.40 #       <midk> ecksellent<e with a line over it>
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09.10.29 #       <midk> go zagor, scott!
09.10.36 #       <Zagor> hi guys
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09.10.41 #       <scott666> 01,0104hey
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09.10.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hi
09.10.53 #       <adi|home> id loose my head if it wasn't connected
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09.11.00 #       <adi|home> so... far... behind..
09.11.00 #       <midk> gah
09.11.01 #       <Strath> heh
09.11.02 #       <scott666> gah
09.11.05 #       <Zagor> scott666: logbot doesn't like colors
09.11.05 #       <midk> why is logbot opped
09.11.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> strike: scott66 did it again
09.11.09 #       <midk> hi strath
09.11.11 #       <scott666> yes
09.11.25 #       <Strath> hey mid
09.11.25 #       <scott666> i changed it but didnt hit 'apply'
09.11.32 #       <Zagor> :)
09.12.32 #       * scott666 is in france
09.12.54 #       * Zagor is in shorts
09.13.05 #       * Bagder is insane
09.13.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> since we have full core competence here:
09.13.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Is everybody happy with my proposed directory sorting?
09.13.15 #       <midk> *can't picture Zagor in shorts
09.13.22 #       <midk> *pushes image out of head and gets back to surfing
09.13.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (sorry for being too sane today)
09.13.58 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: it looks fine to me
09.14.27 #       <midk> where do i read about the proposed dir sorting?
09.14.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I was wondering if sorting by type would be a good default
09.15.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> midk: in the mailing list
09.15.01 #       <adi|home> and thats about as 'stamp of approval' as anything gets :)
09.15.05 #       <midk> i like name
09.15.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> same types will still be sorted by name
09.15.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but you're right, I'll leave it, to not cause confusion
09.15.56 #       <midk> eh
09.15.59 #       <midk> so my rocks are seperate
09.16.03 #       <midk> and mp3's
09.16.04 #       <midk> etc
09.16.04 #       <midk> booh.
09.16.27 #       <Zagor> midk: it's an option
09.16.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> only if you like. (why don't you?)
09.16.38 #       <midk> yes, but default i think should be name
09.16.42 #       <midk> just input, zagor
09.16.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> fine then
09.16.58 #       <Zagor> midk: i agree, don't change default
09.17.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> are the dynamic file types also handled by the attr highbyte?
09.18.43 #       <LinusN> midk: logbot is opped so he can kick people who use color codes
09.19.07 #       <midk> i know
09.19.14 #       <midk> but he usually isn't
09.19.16 #       * midk suspects who opped him
09.20.06 #       <midk> where's Stevie-O? i miss him and his autoreply
09.20.11 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: yes
09.22.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: so it count them up, one more for each type?
09.23.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> counts
09.28.02 #       <adi|home> isn't it chanserv that has the channel information/settings?
09.28.27 #       <midk> yes..
09.29.09 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: has your setting code caused any .cfg file incompatibility?
09.30.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: I hope not
09.30.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> at least certainly not intentional
09.31.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> anything reported?
09.32.59 #       <BC> [IDC]Dragon: what's happneing with meg_next_track(), imho it has stepped the plugin interface
09.33.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> BC: see my posting
09.33.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I removed, eh replaced it, thought nobody would use it
09.34.00 #       <BC> [IDC]Dragon: you did not mention stepping, only the trisk of conflict with tsr's
09.34.18 #       <BC> irony said it had to happen within hours of the change
09.34.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> BC: oh sorry, I was on the wrong function
09.34.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I thought you meant mpeg_track_has_changed()
09.35.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (or however it's called)
09.35.14 #       <scott666> hey BC
09.35.16 #       <BC> hang on let me check, im also confused now...
09.36.31 #       <BC> mpeg_has_changed_track()
09.36.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: you mean the latest posting from Carsten?
09.40.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> BC: yes, that's the one. Maybe we can bring it back for non-TSR use,
09.41.18 #       <BC> might be nice to step-back in cvs so the interface is not 'broken'
09.41.31 #       <Zagor> add a comment next to it in plugin.h
09.42.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> like: not for TSR background use! ?
09.43.23 #       <Zagor> yeah
09.46.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we don't know yet if it's doing no harm in the foreground
09.47.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> like, if returning to the WPS, the WPS not updating because the flag was reset elsewhere
09.48.29 #       <Zagor> i don't think there is a problem. when wps starts, it always uses whatever id3 data is there.
09.48.45 #       <Zagor> but your point is valid, it should be verified
09.49.56 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: yes i mean Carsten's posting
09.50.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'll check. Right now my sim environment doesn'r work
10.04.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: feel free to remove val2phys/phys2val now.  ;-)
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10.05.24 #       <LinusN> i'm working on it as we speak
10.05.48 #       <LinusN> but it doesn't work :-(
10.05.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ;-)))
10.05.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ;-(
10.05.58 #       <LinusN> it loads silly values
10.08.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you did hemove my back and forth conversion, too?
10.09.01 #       <LinusN> yup
10.09.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> remove, fourth
10.09.38 #       <LinusN> i'll let you know when i find the bg
10.10.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> thanks
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10.32.37 #       <amiconn> hi all
10.32.43 #       <Zagor> hi
10.32.53 #       <Bagder> hi
10.32.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi
10.34.24 #       <LinusN> hi
10.37.08 #       <amiconn> full house ;)
10.37.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 5 musketiers
10.48.12 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: As you did as earlier if the .cfg change didn't cause incompatibilities: I've compared a settings file written with the new code with the one I loaded, written by the old code.
10.48.27 #       <amiconn> I couldn't find missing or wrong settings
10.48.44 #       <amiconn> The order is sometimes a bit strange though
10.49.37 #       <amiconn> However, I had a problem that _might_ be related to the new .cfg stuff (also to my hd upgrade as well)
10.50.22 #       <amiconn> I reloaded all my settings from a .cfg file I saved before the upgrade
10.51.32 #       <amiconn> The peakmeter settings did somehow not reload properly: It was set to linear instead of logarithmic, and both the minimum and maximum values were at their minimal settings
10.52.16 #       <amiconn> (Don't know what these are in linear mode, as I discovered this after resetting to logarithmic, then both settings were at -89 dB)
10.55.55 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Did you read the logs of friday? I reported that there is still a problem with rockbox started from flash if the hd is completely empty (very rare condition, though)
10.56.31 #       <LinusN> oh, i missed that
10.57.34 #       <amiconn> Friday, 21.28.29 #       <amiconn> btw: The bug in Rockbox (booting from flash) when the drive is completely empty is still there - it says "panic! disk: null" and USB is not usable.
10.58.02 #       <Zagor> hmm, shouldn't panic
10.58.39 #       <Zagor> ah, on players it panics
10.58.55 #       <Zagor> no, i'm silly
10.59.15 #       <LinusN> we know
10.59.48 #       <Bagder> it goes in the family
11.00.10 #       <Zagor> ah, we panic if there is no valid boot sector. booo.
11.01.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> can we perhaps go to USB mode before mounting the disk?
11.03.58 #       <Zagor> yes
11.04.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> maybe even before ata_init()?
11.04.48 #       <Zagor> possibly, but the tests in ata_init are useful
11.06.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> on a different subject: there are many postings about flaky button detection
11.07.14 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I guess this is because of how the button groups work
11.07.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> from the code it looks like the ADC is ampled only once to qualify a button
11.07.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> sampled
11.07.35 #       <amiconn> I would suggest a different detection scheme
11.07.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes
11.08.02 #       <amiconn> Currently, it check if the voltage is below some minimum, from high to low values
11.08.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> only qulify the button if the reading is stable several times
11.08.11 #       <amiconn> s/below/above
11.08.55 #       <amiconn> I'd change this to be valid only if the voltage is within some "window" to be qualified as a valid button press
11.09.21 #       <Zagor> personally, i think the button errors are purely mechanical. it's very easy to force an f2 by pressing on the side of "up"
11.09.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, this is another condition
11.10.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: but if we check for stable values, it should be possible to avoid that
11.10.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> right now, we may sample the analog input at whatever transition
11.11.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and immediately make a button reading from it
11.11.04 #       <LinusN> for this, we need to sample the A/D more often
11.11.07 #       <Zagor> we can't avoid it. the f2 button is physically pressed
11.12.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ?
11.12.48 #       <LinusN> <Zagor> personally, i think the button errors are purely mechanical. it's very easy to force an f2 by pressing on the side of "up"
11.13.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then it's because of a switch making bad contact.
11.13.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the voltage moves wildly, you may sample whatever reding if you look only once
11.13.49 #       <Zagor> yes. those are hard to fix in software :)
11.14.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> think about voltage levels moving from one plateau to another
11.14.50 #       <Zagor> those are pretty fast transitions, but yeah theoretically it could happen
11.15.01 #       <Zagor> I don't think we are getting it though
11.15.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in the intermediate, they may cross another valid step, but won't stay there
11.15.38 #       <Zagor> and if you implement multisampling, how will you know it fixes a problem? :)
11.16.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> by releasing it into the wild?
11.16.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and let people report if it improved?
11.16.22 #       <Zagor> that's not very reliable testing
11.17.17 #       <Zagor> if they can't repeat it reliably now, they can't say if it fixed anything either.
11.17.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what do you suggest?
11.18.32 #       <Zagor> i claim we don't have a sampling problem, and thus don't need to fix it
11.19.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> If Archos software seems to be better, it can be improved
11.19.39 #       <Zagor> no, only if Archos software *is* better.
11.19.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and sampling only once makes me wonder how this code works in the firstplace
11.20.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (no offense)
11.20.57 #       <Zagor> it works because the transitions are short enough to be irrelevant, i guess
11.21.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> pure chance, because nothing prevents an edge being taken as a button level
11.21.53 #       <Zagor> chance and statistics are related, but not the same :)
11.23.13 #       <Zagor> how many bad button events have you ever seen?
11.23.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> on my unit, a few
11.23.52 #       <amiconn> Imho my suggestion to count only values within some window as valid may also improve it, with less overhead
11.24.17 #       <Zagor> amiconn: isn't that what we are doing today?
11.24.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I don't want to argue, but button debouncing sounds like pretty much standard to me
11.25.37 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Iirc not. The current code simply checks if the value is above some threshold for every button of a group, from highest to lowest
11.26.15 #       <Zagor> amiconn: ...which in effect is a range check for each button. what am I missing?
11.26.45 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: debounce is used for interrupt-controlled buttons, to avoid multiple presses. we don't have that problem since we poll.
11.26.51 #       <amiconn> This kind of "range checking" does not have gaps between valid readings...
11.26.58 #       <Zagor> amiconn: ah, right
11.27.45 #       <Zagor> all I'm saying is I am not convinced we have a problem. show me we do, and I'm all ears for a solution.
11.28.11 #       <Zagor> I personally have never seen a report that cannot be explained by simple mechanics
11.28.25 #       <Zagor> lunch, see you later
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11.28.47 #       <LinusN> lunchtime
11.29.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hmm, escaping it? ;-)
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11.53.09 #       <lImbus> Hey Strath, there was somebody asking for Gemini -"support" on saturday (19.). His nick was Batman420.
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12.07.39 #       <Strath> what kind of "support", rockbox, or "i have a problem, how do i fix it"?
12.08.29 #       <Strath> nm... i'll check the logs
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12.20.20 #       <lImbus> Strath: he was asking if rockbox would run on his Gemini (I think he had a 220)
12.25.49 #       <LinusN> Rockbox only runs on the older Jukebox series
12.26.00 #       <LinusN> studio/player/recorder
12.26.20 #       <Zagor> everyone in here knows that :)
12.26.41 #       <Strath> heh
12.27.12 #       <Bagder> http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/NonArchos
12.27.32 #       <Strath> ya... *we* know, any anyone who reads a bit would, but....
12.32.24 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: u there?
12.35.56 #       <lImbus> Sorry Strath, I thought I remembered you were working on a Gemini. Havn't you sent me the jog ?
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12.37.24 #       <Strath> jog?
12.39.07 #       <Strath> ya, i am working on the Gmini, though other issues took priority causing progress on the Gmini to slow
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12.43.33 #       <lImbus> Strath: I don#t think this is a problem, we'd tell him.
12.48.07 #       <LinusN> Bagder: donw with ircnicks?
12.48.09 #       <LinusN> done
12.48.12 #       <Bagder> yes
12.50.23 #       <amiconn> LinusN: There is a typo in 'dwihno'
12.51.18 #       <amiconn> (I know I should register with the wiki)
12.51.39 #       <BC> LinusN: did you have any luck with that weird libplugin thing?
12.51.54 #       <Bagder> its not that weird ;-)
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12.55.12 #       <dwihno> LinusN: Remember the talk about the setting menu revamp we talked about?
12.55.19 #       <dwihno> Talk about a talk ;D
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12.58.31 #       <LinusN> meeting
13.01.36 #       <dwihno> Boooring ;)
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14.17.37 #       <LinusN> dwihno: setting revamp, yes?
14.18.48 #       <dwihno> LinusN: Did we have any takers on that?
14.19.05 #       <dwihno> (you, that is) ;)
14.21.00 #       <LinusN> i am working on it in my head :-)
14.26.14 #       <dwihno> ;)
14.26.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: you were asking for me?
14.27.08 #       <LinusN> yes
14.27.22 #       <LinusN> i was wondering how we want to store the recording gain...
14.27.51 #       <LinusN> it's in the range -3..19.5dB for line in
14.28.12 #       <LinusN> we could store it in .1dB units
14.28.29 #       <LinusN> i.e -30 .. 195
14.29.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how is it stored in global_settings currently?
14.29.09 #       <LinusN> today we store the raw register value
14.29.13 #       <LinusN> 0-15
14.29.35 #       <LinusN> that works
14.29.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and in a .cfg file?
14.30.21 #       <LinusN> 0-15
14.30.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then how about 0-15?  ;-)
14.31.30 #       <LinusN> fine with me
14.32.19 #       <LinusN> i'll commit my setting changes in a minute or two
14.32.28 #       <LinusN> two issues arise with this
14.32.44 #       <LinusN> 1) the balance is set in 1% steps instead of 2%
14.32.56 #       <LinusN> 2) The bass boost is set in 1% steps instead of 10%
14.33.13 #       <LinusN> as a result of the val2phys removal
14.33.27 #       <LinusN> the next step is to do the scaling in sound_menu.c
14.33.42 #       <LinusN> but i'll commit this change first
14.33.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you mean, we need more bits for the global_settings.xxx content?
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14.35.23 #       <LinusN> some of the sound parameters require more bits now, yes
14.35.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I thought you'd adjust everything to "API range"
14.36.34 #       <LinusN> i changed the api in the process
14.37.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I meant UI range, sorry
14.38.12 #       <LinusN> i did, but unfortunately, there was inherent scaling in the val2phys/phys2val system as well
14.38.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> such that the global_settings content matches the values going into a .cfg file, and to the UI, without conversion
14.38.39 #       <LinusN> that hasn't changed
14.39.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I know. So you were not happy with the resolution loss at that interface?
14.39.58 #       <LinusN> i want to get rid of the conversion/scaling in the mpeg API
14.40.07 #       <LinusN> and do that in the application instead
14.40.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I guess I was thinking quite the opposite
14.41.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> work wiith the UI/.cfg values everywhere, and only the driver call converts it to register values
14.43.05 #       <LinusN> i think we both want the same thing, we just have different ideas on how to solve it
14.44.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the setting code has the requirement that it plain dumps the values in .cfg/RTC, can do no conversion
14.45.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so whatever you want to appear there has to be the global_settings member range
14.46.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if we want the old .cfg files to be compatible, these are our numbers
14.47.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if you break .cfg compatibility, you're free to increase the resolution to better match the hardware
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14.53.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a split goes through your office?
14.54.43 #       <Zagor> no, we're just connected to different irc servers
14.55.19 #       <Zagor> irc.freenode.net is a round-robin dns, so you get different servers every time
14.57.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah
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15.02.39 #       <BC> the alternatives (as I see it) are # user-friendly scaling code between the cfg & rtc # mke the user enter the mas register value
15.02.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> welcome back
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15.03.37 #       <LinusN> weee, nice splits
15.03.54 #       <Bagder> splitters R us
15.04.17 #       <BC> hmmm
15.04.18 #       <BC> what will you do with the volume scale?
15.04.18 #       <BC> I think if you can solve that, the rest of the answers will follow
15.04.18 #       <BC> 127 values, 100 user scale
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15.04.18 #       <BC> I must say, I am mighty pleased with the scaling algorithm people voted for
15.04.22 #       <BC> and it is not at all what I had written originally
15.04.22 #       <BC> ...a LOT simpler too
15.04.41 #       <LinusN> personally, i don't like %
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15.05.01 #       <LinusN> but i understand that people like it
15.05.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm afraid I missed something
15.06.13 #       <LinusN> we're talking about storing .1dB values in RTC
15.07.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> whoo,that needs many bits
15.07.16 #       <LinusN> for volume/bass/treble/loudness
15.07.23 #       <LinusN> or having individual scaling for each parameter
15.08.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> don't we have that now?
15.10.45 #       <BC> hmmm, but it is a nice user thing, I think "db" would scare most
15.16.11 #       <LinusN> i think db should be the "native" scale
15.16.47 #       <LinusN> and the percent usage would be a db<->percent conversion
15.17.15 #       <LinusN> i.e we store volume in db
15.17.22 #       <LinusN> not % as we do today
15.17.54 #       <BC> yes, that is the method I settled on
15.17.58 #       <LinusN> we could add an option for %/db values
15.18.05 #       <LinusN> in the ui
15.18.14 #       <BC> have you played with audio-3587?
15.18.27 #       <LinusN> (blushes) no...
15.18.36 #       <BC> righty, it does all of this ;)
15.19.15 #       <BC> it's storage system (.vol) is sloppy, but as I have to spin up the disk and read 4K anyway, it made little odds really
15.19.48 #       <BC> read 4k => use 1 sector
15.21.07 #       <LinusN> 4k->1 sector? i don't get it
15.21.58 #       <BC> fat32 allocates 4K at a time (mostly), so long as my .vol file was <1 sector, it made no difference to storage, so I was sloppy about not packing my bits in my .vol file
15.22.30 #       <BC> but it does hold things like currently selected display scale and register values etc.
15.22.39 #       <LinusN> ah, you mean s/sector/cluster/
15.23.07 #       <BC> ah yes, sorry, my mistake
15.23.15 #       <LinusN> i get it now
15.23.21 #       * BC blushes
15.23.23 #       <BC> lol
15.25.44 #       <Zagor> BC: it doesn't read 4k just because a cluster is that big
15.26.06 #       <BC> yes, I realised that bit as I types and thought I had escaped it being spotted - LOL
15.26.37 #       * LinusN ignored it out of kindness
15.26.48 #       <Zagor> heh
15.26.50 #       <BC> :)
15.29.15 #       <BC> Anyway, feel free to hack through the audio-3587 code, I twigged the other day what one concern may have been - so i state here that all information required to fully and comprehensively understand (and/or reproduce) everything that code does is based in either basic wave theory or the datasheet pdf I downloaded from the Rockbox site - so there is zero risk of "tainting"
15.29.30 #       <LinusN> :-)
15.29.51 #       <LinusN> no rocket science there
15.30.48 #       <BC> nope, just a full (and dare I add, sexy) interface to the basic registers
15.35.44 #       <BC> did you know we can achieve a volume accuracy of greater than  0...2^20 steps from -115dB to +12dB ?
15.36.11 #       <BC> you can do some crazy things with that chip with a bit of lateral thinking
15.37.38 #       <LinusN> by not reading the "not used, must be set to 0" text? :-)
15.37.58 #       <BC> no, haven't even been down that road yet - LOL
15.37.59 #       <LinusN> or by fiddling with the channel mixer?
15.38.24 #       <BC> mainly fiddling in the channel mixer
15.38.37 #       <BC> I reckon I can get stereo mixing out of it ;)
15.39.27 #       <BC> lloooaaddss of lateral thinking :D
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15.42.18 #       <mattzz> Holla
15.42.26 #       <BC> Bonjour
15.42.54 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: i committed my changes, please review them if you have the time
15.43.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'll do
15.43.58 #       <LinusN> my next idea is to move the sound settings to sound.c
15.44.47 #       <BC> Makes sense - I will argue 150% that the sound is the singularly most important thing my unit does
15.45.12 #       <LinusN> agree
15.45.40 #       <LinusN> my plan is to enhance the sound settings
15.45.53 #       <BC> touche
15.45.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: you should have bumped CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION
15.46.03 #       <LinusN> maybe not to the "extreme" level of your audio plugin, but a lot closer
15.46.08 #       <LinusN> ouch!
15.46.11 #       <LinusN> me fix
15.47.08 #       <BC> Well, it would be nice if you leave an appropriate place for a plugin to hook that point
15.47.34 #       <LinusN> i'm not sure i want a hook
15.47.50 #       <BC> serious?
15.48.03 #       <LinusN> however, when the configurable menus arrive, one can easily use your plugin instead of the regular
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15.48.24 #       <LinusN> along with an "autoexec" to load the settings at boot
15.48.32 #       <BC> righty
15.48.44 #       <BC> same overall effect :)
15.48.50 #       <LinusN> indeed
15.49.29 #       <BC> I think it would be very simple to user definable hooks all over the code if you wanted
15.49.38 #       <LinusN> i just hope i didn't break anything with my latest changes...
15.49.59 #       <LinusN> BC: perhaps
15.50.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you broke .cfg file compatibility, or?
15.50.21 #       <LinusN> i shouldn't have
15.50.59 #       <LinusN> not intentionally :-)
15.51.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I thought some range has changed
15.51.36 #       <LinusN> only in the rtc
15.51.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> OK, sorry for aking
15.51.57 #       <LinusN> the config file used the full range
15.52.14 #       <BC> have a generic functoin called "hook(char* tail)" which gets a "hookname" passed to it ...that will load hookname.bat and process it accordingly
15.52.32 #       <LinusN> we will probably break the .cfg file compatibility soon anyway... :-)
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15.53.07 #       <LinusN> BC: but it isn't trivial to run the hooks just like that
15.53.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> have you summed the RTC bits?
15.53.26 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: no :-)
15.53.47 #       <LinusN> i thought there was plenty of space left
15.53.55 #       <BC> LinusN: I'm sure we could work out the specifics if we want that feature
15.54.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> should be enough, yes
15.54.17 #       <LinusN> i think i added 1 bit
15.55.19 #       <LinusN> well, i have to go now
15.55.24 #       <LinusN> cu l8r d00dz
15.55.31 #       <BC> l8rz
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16.41.34 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: you here?
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16.41.56 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: this is about the new sorting settings... is there any way to access them?
16.50.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not yet
16.51.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> have to write the UI for it
16.55.24 #       * dwihno got some UI ideas
16.55.29 #       <dwihno> UI UI!
16.59.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> cu guys
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17.27.43 #       <adi|work> http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=www.rockbox.org
17.27.55 #       <adi|work> could someone tell me what 'pending delete' and 'hold' means?
17.28.51 #       <BC> sadly my ISP friend is not online atm
17.29.33 #       <BC> but the registration is paid up until next year
17.31.35 #       <BC> but it has no dns entry
17.31.46 #       <BC> 404
17.32.20 #       <adi|work> nods
17.38.18 #       <adi|work> 688$ min to purchase the www.rockbox.net domain
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19.02.55 #       <RobbieVox> lo
19.02.58 #       <RobbieVox> ne1 here ?
19.02.59 #       <scott666> hey
19.03.02 #       <scott666> i am
19.03.18 #       <RobbieVox> :) hello
19.03.30 #       <scott666> whats up?
19.03.51 #       <RobbieVox> am trying to download the compiler 
19.04.01 #       <scott666> which one?
19.04.09 #       <RobbieVox> cgywin
19.04.10 #       <midk> get bc's
19.04.15 #       <scott666> yeah
19.04.16 #       <midk> bcbc?
19.04.24 #       <scott666> BC's is way nice
19.04.30 #       <scott666> and easy
19.04.35 #       <RobbieVox> ill settle for owt at minute
19.04.41 #       <scott666> almost idiot-proof
19.04.45 #       <RobbieVox> good :)
19.04.55 #       <BC> almost
19.04.58 #       <RobbieVox> only prob is needs to be for win32 
19.05.31 #       <scott666> wheres the demand for an idiot-proof linux installer?
19.05.44 #       <RobbieVox> lol
19.05.56 #       <scott666> i thought linux users LIKED doing it the hard way
19.06.29 #       <RobbieVox> have found the remote function of ajb and need to build up a ver with the patch on it
19.06.50 #       <RobbieVox> so ok i need a diff compiler, where can i find it ?
19.07.09 #       <BC> a diff compiler - ooohhh - do you mean patch.exe?
19.08.16 #       <scott666> RobbieVox: for .diff files?
19.08.48 #       <scott666> or does diff=different
19.09.43 #       <RobbieVox> yes fro diff file
19.10.32 #       <BC> it's called patch.exe
19.10.47 #       <RobbieVox> but dont i need to recompile the patched soure after ?
19.10.55 #       <RobbieVox> source*
19.11.15 #       <BC> yep
19.11.24 #       <RobbieVox> lol so i need the compiler then
19.11.57 #       <scott666> what OS are you using§
19.12.01 #       <scott666> gah
19.12.03 #       <scott666> ?
19.12.03 #       <RobbieVox> xp
19.12.08 #       <scott666> stupid §
19.12.14 #       <scott666> useless character...
19.12.19 #       <RobbieVox> lol
19.12.23 #       <BC> lol - keyboard killing you
19.12.26 #       <BC> ?
19.12.30 #       <RobbieVox> the apple symbol ?
19.12.34 #       <scott666> lol
19.12.36 #       <scott666> no
19.12.52 #       <scott666> BC: yes, stupid azerty
19.13.40 #       <BC> ho ho ho
19.13.58 #       <scott666> merry x-mas§
19.14.00 #       <scott666> ?
19.14.21 #       <BC> that should be in red on green
19.15.00 #       <RobbieVox> so BC borland c ? for the sh cpu
19.15.13 Nick    BC is now known as BlueChip (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com)
19.15.23 #       <BlueChip> nah, feeling lazy when I typed my nick in earlier
19.15.53 #       <scott666> lol
19.17.22 #       <BlueChip> you can laugh satan boy
19.17.34 #       <BlueChip> lol
19.17.43 #       <scott666> oh, i will
19.17.55 #       * BlueChip braces for hot poker
19.18.24 #       <BlueChip> anyway, RobbieVox, I was summonsed here to help you ....have I done so yet?
19.18.43 #       <RobbieVox> er no
19.18.58 #       <BlueChip> ask me of that which troubles you
19.19.31 #       <scott666> who 'summoned' you?
19.19.43 #       <BlueChip> aha, I have my spies
19.19.46 #       <BlueChip> ;)
19.19.55 #       <scott666> what are you, a fire golem?
19.19.55 #       <RobbieVox> getting the compiler, done the 1st cygwin install but it wont load the files from eric mirror site
19.20.03 #       <BlueChip> And it wasn't Trisha McMillan
19.20.13 #       <midk> HAHAHA
19.20.16 #       <scott666> trillian to you
19.20.21 #       <BlueChip> lol
19.23.10 #       <BlueChip> RobbieVox, if you ask I will help, else I am off back to my code
19.23.33 #       <RobbieVox> how do i get the bloody compiler to dwonload
19.23.39 #       <RobbieVox> or can i get it elsewhere ?
19.24.01 #       <BlueChip> i have no idea where you are currently failing to get it from
19.24.23 #       <RobbieVox> http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_3_Select_Eric_s_mirror_site << point 3
19.24.40 #       <BlueChip> oh f' that, just download the one-step installer from my site
19.24.53 #       <RobbieVox> :) gimmie link
19.25.06 #       <BlueChip> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems
19.25.24 #       <scott666> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/Win32_DevKit/RockBox-DevKit_v301.exe
19.25.51 #       <scott666> and then http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/Win32_DevKit/RockBox-DevKit_v301.html
19.26.06 #       <RobbieVox> :)
19.26.07 #       <RobbieVox> ta
19.26.10 #       <BlueChip> errr, the cvs doc
19.26.26 #       <midk> scott the link doesn't work
19.26.27 #       <BlueChip> and maybe the new librarires, if he's hacking
19.26.49 #       <BlueChip> possibl the audio-3587 code so he can compile it in if required?
19.26.58 #       <midk> lol bc
19.26.59 #       <BlueChip> lol
19.27.04 #       <midk> i doubt it.
19.27.28 #       <RobbieVox> dont spose u familiar with the gnunilink interface?
19.27.45 #       <BlueChip> scott666, seriously, do you think my site is confusing enought to need direct links, if so, how can I improve it?
19.28.04 #       <midk> bc calm down a bit
19.28.15 #       <BlueChip> RobbieVox: sorry no - but i recall info on the ml about it
19.29.27 #       <BlueChip> mk: did you note the fact that it was a serious question?
19.30.40 #       <scott666> did your site suddenly die§
19.31.10 #       <scott666> there it goes
19.31.53 #       <RobbieVox> wight am go try your compiler
19.31.57 #       <scott666> its a little confusing for first time users, especially if they only want rockbox stuff
19.31.57 #       <RobbieVox> right even
19.32.38 #       <BlueChip> big image ... thing that looks like a rockbox screenshot?
19.32.54 #       <BlueChip> how could I make it simpler/
19.32.56 #       <BlueChip> ?
19.33.49 #       <scott666> not re
19.33.52 #       <scott666> damnit
19.34.06 #       <scott666> not really much to do besides provide a direct link
19.36.30 #       <scott666> its not really confusing, but theres no possibility of confusion if theres a direct link
19.36.31 #       <BlueChip> then you are restricted to only one file
19.36.45 #       <scott666> i mean a direct link to the rockbox page
19.36.56 #       <scott666> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/RockBox.htm
19.37.11 #       <BlueChip> i kinda think that anyone who can't make it past a big logo might not be up to the job of programming - LOL
19.37.17 #       <scott666> thats not something youd want to type though
19.37.40 #       <scott666> im talking about hte rock downloaders too
19.37.45 #       <BlueChip> you can leave the rockbox.htm off the end - and remember it IS case SenSiTive
19.37.57 #       <scott666> i just copy-paste
19.38.16 #       <BlueChip> i could set up an alias
19.39.15 #       <scott666> audio3587b2 came out??
19.39.30 #       <BlueChip> oh yes, see what you miss when you skip the html
19.40.01 #       <scott666> its cause i still have 70 rockbox emails left to read
19.40.21 #       <BlueChip> you read the m ALL
19.40.21 #       <BlueChip> ?
19.40.22 #       <BlueChip> wow
19.40.33 #       <scott666> and B2 is in the name of all of the files
19.40.41 #       <scott666> i at least skim them
19.40.43 #       <BlueChip> anyway, how comes you're not out chatting up some froggy chick?
19.41.15 #       <scott666> cause i dont think my french is quite good enough to chat up anyone
19.41.35 DBUG    Sent KICK BlueChip to server
19.41.35 #       <BlueChip> 027% of communication 01is language
19.41.35 Kick    (#rockbox BlueChip :Colourcodes are *not* appreciated here!) by logbot!~bjst@193.15.23.131
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19.41.44 #       <scott666> 'chat up'...crazy brits...
19.42.11 #       <scott666> logbot strikes with a vengence
19.42.12 #       <BlueChip> cor lgobot's keen today
19.42.32 #       <scott666> i got booted twice yesterday
19.42.45 #       <scott666> while setting up trillian on this comp
19.42.57 #       <BlueChip> i typed in the wrong window and pasted it across
19.43.14 #       <scott666> but the window closed before i got a chance to read the error message
19.43.33 #       <BlueChip> likewise
19.43.40 #       <BlueChip> i just guessed what happened
19.43.42 #       <scott666> [19:41] *** BlueChip has been kicked off channel #rockbox by logbot (Colourcodes are *not* appreciated here!)
19.44.01 #       <BlueChip> oh righty
19.44.24 #       <scott666> they muck up the log
19.44.40 #       <BlueChip> cod the log filter is dodgy - lol
19.44.42 #       <BlueChip> cos
19.47.20 #       <scott666> at least logbot doesnt ban
19.48.03 #       <midk> he does after 3 times
19.48.08 #       <midk> or like if you go
19.48.09 #       <midk> hi
19.48.10 #       <midk> hi
19.48.11 DBUG    Sent KICK midk to server
19.48.11 #       <midk> hi
19.48.11 Kick    (#rockbox midk :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@193.15.23.131
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19.49.25 #       <scott666> lol
19.50.41 #       <lImbus> lo
19.50.42 #       <lImbus> l
19.51.02 #       <midk> OH WAIT
19.51.17 #       <midk> lets get logbot to talk 3 times
19.51.26 #       <BlueChip> lmao
19.51.38 #       <midk> who can make him respond to seen?
19.51.41 #       * scott666 gasps
19.51.47 #       <midk> logbot seen LinusN
19.52.27 #       <midk> hi logbot?
19.52.30 #       <BlueChip> anyway, seems RobbieVox is all sorted now - so I'm back to my code & whiskey
19.52.37 #       <scott666> if 3 people flooded at the exact same time...
19.52.45 #       <midk> lol
19.52.46 #       <lImbus> midk: slash msg before
19.52.50 #       <midk> i know
19.52.53 #       <midk> but i mean directly
19.53.01 #       <midk> zagor can just say "logbot seen XX"
19.53.03 #       <lImbus> but I suppose he has to respond to the channel
19.53.08 #       <midk> yeah
19.53.54 #       <lImbus> logbot	The following commands are available to you:	
19.53.54 #       <lImbus> logbot	level 0 ALIAS[PS] CMD EXPLAIN[PS] HELP[S] RULES[PS] SEEN[PS] SHOW[P] SPLIT[PS] SVIEW[PS] SYNTAX[S] TELLME UPTIME[PS] WHOLEFT[PS]
19.54.21 #       <midk> but we need someone who can get him to respond from and to the channel
19.54.31 #       <scott666> just to
19.54.42 #       <scott666> doesnt have to be from
19.54.44 #       <midk> someone who can ask from the channel
19.54.49 #       <midk> and he can respond to the channel*
19.54.59 #       <lImbus> what do these [P] and [PS] mean ?
19.55.22 #       <midk> not sure
19.55.50 #       * lImbus shrugs
19.56.24 #       <scott666> heh, i love that
19.56.33 #       <scott666> -> *logbot* explain badger
19.56.33 #       <scott666> -logbot- 'Badger' An anmial. Frequently misspelled Bagder.
19.56.35 #       <scott666> -> *logbot* explain bagder
19.56.35 #       <scott666> -logbot- 'Bagder' Sorry, that thing can't be explained. It's against my nature.
19.57.06 #       <midk> >logbot< explain ata
19.57.06 #       <midk> -logbot- 'ATA' Short for "Advanced Technology Attachment".
19.57.49 #       <scott666> -logbot- 'Zagor' The dark overlord of the Rockbox cult. Certified Code Police. Scares little children.
19.58.29 #       <midk> >logbot< explain logbot
19.58.29 #       <midk> -logbot- 'logbot' I am me
19.58.40 #       <scott666> lol
19.59.05 #       <BlueChip> logbot explain logbot
19.59.30 #       <midk> >logbot< explain quelsaruk
19.59.30 #       <midk> -logbot- 'quelsaruk' Crazy spanish person. Techno priest. Known to sacrifice goats at midnight to please the debugger gods.
19.59.45 #       <scott666> lol
20.00.05 #       <midk> dahAHAHAHAHAH
20.00.05 #       <scott666> damn
20.00.12 #       <scott666> no entry for BC
20.00.21 #       <midk> cos bc sucks?
20.00.23 #       <midk> noes.
20.00.28 #       <midk> because zagor is bc!
20.00.31 #       <midk> DAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
20.00.31 #       <amiconn> scott666: /msg logbox explain *
20.00.43 #       <midk> OHIES!!!
20.00.47 #       <amiconn> Then yoiu get a list what he knows
20.00.56 #       <midk> >logbot< explain oogabooga
20.00.56 #       <midk> -logbot- 'oogabooga' The secret Rockbox salute
20.00.57 #       <midk> hmm
20.01.00 #       <midk> OOGABOOGA
20.01.06 #       <midk> >logbot< explain 2.0
20.01.31 #       <scott666> he didnt like explain *
20.01.41 #       <scott666> ah
20.01.45 #       <scott666> nevermind
20.01.50 #       <scott666> i coped and pasted
20.01.57 #       <scott666> 'logbox'
20.03.00 #       <midk> i want to be in the explain thing.
20.03.06 #       <scott666> lol
20.03.21 #       <midk> "explain midk"
20.03.26 #       <midk> hmm
20.03.31 #       <midk> i wonder what i shall make him say
20.03.31 #       <scott666> 'annoying furry creature. partial to clocks.
20.03.38 #       <midk> STFU
20.03.43 #       <midk> sir.
20.04.10 #       <midk> CLOCKbox
20.04.33 #       <midk> scott666, is your archos there?
20.04.36 #       <amiconn> rockCLOX ?
20.04.37 #       <scott666> yes
20.04.40 #       <scott666> oh course
20.04.43 #       <midk> lol ami
20.04.45 #       <scott666> *of
20.04.49 #       <midk> would you like to try latest
20.04.55 #       <midk> mode selector screen; binary mode
20.04.57 #       <scott666> link me
20.05.18 #       <scott666> lucky i can charge via USB
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20.05.28 #       <scott666> otherwise id be screwed
20.05.46 #       <BlueChip> thought your french wasn;t good enough
20.05.50 #       <midk> hhaha
20.06.08 #       <midk>  -> to usb charging
20.06.24 #       <midk> http://freewebs.com/midky/clock.rock
20.07.11 #       <scott666> incompatible version
20.07.24 #       <midk> it's compiled with 6/18/04
20.07.40 #       <midk> what's your version?
20.08.02 #       <scott666> 040604
20.08.07 #       <midk> ol
20.08.10 #       <midk> update.
20.08.12 #       <scott666> did
20.08.16 #       <midk> to?
20.08.29 #       <BlueChip> it's still debatable whether the plugin interface was broken last nnight
20.08.30 #       <midk> 210604
20.08.42 #       <scott666> Explorateur Windows
20.08.43 #       <midk> hm?
20.10.41 #       <midk> just a moment scotteh
20.10.51 #       <midk> i make you compatible ajz.
20.10.54 #       <scott666> on va manger
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20.18.23 #       <midk> hi ze
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20.53.45 #       <midk> scotty! yay.
20.54.01 #       <midk> http://freewebs.com/midky/ajbrec.ajz
20.54.12 #       <midk> get that to run clock.
20.56.25 #       <scott666> daily build works
20.56.32 #       <midk> ok
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21.27.23 #       <midk> bcbc
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22.39.09 #       <wiler> just wondering if anyone knows of a source for a supported player, retailers do not seem to have them
22.39.38 #       <midk> amazon
22.39.47 #       <midk> you can get a v2 for like $150 or $130
22.39.47 #       <wiler> looking  for one with recording features as well so jukebox and fm i suppose, really
22.40.10 #       <wiler> amazon out of stock
22.40.27 #       <midk> dah
22.40.29 #       <midk> froogle?
22.40.32 #       <midk> buy.com?
22.40.41 #       <midk> look around.. surely someone has them online
22.40.44 #       <wiler> i'll have a look thanks for the tips
22.40.46 #       <midk> fun,p3players.com
22.40.50 #       <midk> mp3players*
22.40.55 #       <midk> good luck
22.41.01 #       <midk> make sure it's a recorder, not a player
22.41.12 #       <wiler> yep
22.41.15 #       <wiler> thanks
22.41.28 #       <midk> np
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22.53.00 #       <midk> STRATHY
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23.02.23 #       <Strath> yo
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23.37.19 #       <RobbieVox> evning
23.37.55 #       <midk> hi
23.37.58 #       <midk> i mena
23.37.58 #       <midk> yo
23.38.02 #       <RobbieVox> lo again
23.39.12 #       <RobbieVox> can i ask another compiling / patching q ?
23.39.24 #       <midk> sure
23.39.48 #       <RobbieVox> i downloaded the 2.2 source, some patch sw, and my patch
23.39.57 #       <midk> no no, get a daily build
23.39.59 #       <RobbieVox> oh and the compiler
23.40.24 #       <RobbieVox> will it be better tho or lots of thing in beta ?
23.40.35 #       <midk> better
23.40.39 #       <midk> nothing usually beta
23.40.40 #       <RobbieVox> and will the patch work with a daily build ?
23.40.45 #       <midk> it has to
23.40.51 #       <RobbieVox> ok lol
23.40.53 #       <midk> if it's compiled against 2.2 it won't be accepted
23.40.58 #       <midk> i doubt it would be
23.41.11 #       <RobbieVox> ?
23.41.19 #       <RobbieVox> thought a patch wasnt compiled
23.41.20 #       <midk> accepted if it were compiled with 2.2
23.41.40 #       <midk> oh, talking about plugins
23.41.43 #       <midk> i mean
23.41.55 #       <midk> if your changes affect 2.2, they probably won't work with the daily build
23.42.03 #       <midk> because lots has changed since
23.42.07 #       <RobbieVox> k, i want to use the tx use on remote pin patch
23.44.19 #       <RobbieVox> ok i just got newest daily build
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23.48.07 #       <RobbieVox> wb
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23.48.33 #       <midk> ty
23.50.06 #       <RobbieVox> ok so i got a daily build tarball
23.50.16 #       <midk> surely
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23.52.36 #       <RobbieVox> still not sure on how to patch, how do i tell which files need patching 
23.53.29 #       <midk> um
23.53.33 #       <midk> what do you want to patch?
23.55.55 #       <RobbieVox> er the kernal - remote pin tx
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