--- Log for 12.11.104  Server: niven.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.15 #       <Digital007> pointless
00.01.38 #       <Bagder> makes great games
00.01.47 #       <Bagder> doom!
00.01.53 #       <LinusN> and cool videos
00.01.59 #       <LinusN> and plasma
00.02.44 #       <Digital007> lol
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00.02.53 #       <Digital007> for that u need the H3XX serie
00.02.54 #       <Digital007> s
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00.36.29 #       <webguest48> hi
00.36.45 #       <LinusN> hi
00.37.01 #       <webguest48> I have an easy question.
00.37.16 #       <webguest48> I d/l'd the dailybuild.
00.37.35 #       <webguest48> I can "play" ajbrec.ajz (recorder)
00.37.47 #       <webguest48> and get to the new version
00.37.59 #       <webguest48> I can run the firmware flash plugin.
00.38.10 #       <webguest48> but upon reboot, I get V2.2
00.38.19 #       <webguest48> What am I doing wrong?
00.38.53 #       <LinusN> have you flashed an earlier version of rockbox?
00.39.11 #       <webguest48> I flashed to get 2.2 in...
00.39.40 #       <LinusN> now, what do the instructions say about updating the flash contents?
00.39.55 #       <LinusN> which instructions are you following btw?
00.40.01 #       <webguest48> :) What did I forget?
00.40.22 #       <LinusN> webguest48: i'm deliberately playing with you here
00.40.26 #       * webguest48 surfs madly, looking for instructions
00.40.50 #       <LinusN> you are not the only one who has problems with this, and i'm trying to understand what's wrong with the docs
00.41.06 #       <webguest48> aha
00.41.20 #       <webguest48> I need a "bin" file?
00.41.49 #       <LinusN> back to the start, where did you look for the instructions on how to flash rockbox?
00.42.03 #       <LinusN> you managed to flash 2.2
00.42.42 #       <webguest48> I looked it up carefully for the first time, but for 2.3 I confess I just d/l'd the daily build
00.42.54 #       <LinusN> that's the spirit
00.43.09 #       <webguest48> I just unpacked to the root of the archos.
00.43.15 #       <LinusN> perfect
00.43.20 #       <webguest48> and assumed I had all I needed.
00.43.26 #       <LinusN> you do
00.43.38 #       <webguest48> the firmware flash plugin ran, and verified OK.
00.43.44 #       <LinusN> this where the instructions come in
00.43.48 #       <webguest48> So I thought all was well
00.43.53 #       <LinusN> which plugin did you run?
00.44.11 #       <LinusN> firmware_flash.rock?
00.44.25 #       <webguest48> "firmware_flash"
00.44.40 #       <LinusN> ok, so you still have the 2.2 .bin files on the jukebox?
00.44.53 #       <webguest48> I guess so.
00.45.05 #       <webguest48> shall I look for them?
00.45.44 #       <LinusN> had you read the instructions, you would have found out that you only run firmware_flash.rock the very first time you flash rockbox
00.45.45 #       * webguest48 plugs usb back in
00.46.18 #       <webguest48> only the first rockbox install?
00.46.30 #       <LinusN> the very first time you put rockbox in flash
00.47.19 #       <LinusN> then, every time you want to update to a new rockbox version, you do like this:
00.47.43 #       <LinusN> 1) Play the ajbrec.ajz file, to make sure the new version is running
00.48.05 #       <LinusN> 2) Play the file called "rockbox.ucl", it's in the .rockbox dir
00.48.36 #       <webguest48> It's that easy? :)
00.48.42 #       <LinusN> it's all on the "documentation" page on rockbox.org
00.48.51 #       <webguest48> Thanks.
00.48.55 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlashingRockbox
00.48.58 #       <webguest48> Humble suggestion:
00.49.04 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BlindFlashing
00.49.41 #       <webguest48> could the firmware flash know when these instructions are needed, and alert the stupid user (me) ?
00.49.57 #       <LinusN> good idea
00.50.15 #       <LinusN> i'll see if i can add that to firmware_flash.rock
00.50.22 #       <webguest48> It might save people like me from wasting your time.
00.50.30 #       <webguest48> sorry.
00.50.44 #       <LinusN> "warning: it seems like rockbox is already in flash. Do like this: bla bla..."
00.50.58 #       <webguest48> exactly.
00.51.13 #       <webguest48> luser friendly :)
00.51.16 #       <LinusN> :-)
00.51.34 #       <LinusN> still, it should allow you to flash anyway
00.52.34 #       <webguest48> That'd be nice, too.
00.53.03 #       <webguest48> Since the plugin is there, I expected it to "just work"
00.53.28 #       <webguest48> hmm.
00.54.06 #       <webguest48> with show files set to "music", I guess it's harder to find the needed file. :)
00.55.55 #       <webguest48> okay, I'm booting to cvs 041111
00.56.43 #       <webguest48> while I'm here, I've been thinking of a HD upgrade. What should I know?
00.57.05 #       <webguest48> I've had problems with lockups while driving.
01.01.01 #       <webguest48> ?
01.01.33 #       <webguest48> Anybody?
01.01.46 #       <LinusN> what do you want to know?
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01.03.10 #       <webguest48> Are there any brands/sizes/etc to avoid?
01.03.43 #       <webguest48> I thought the lockups due to shock were a known problem with some drives.
01.04.09 #       <LinusN> yes, avoid the Hitachi DK23CA/DA
01.04.26 #       <webguest48> is that the only one?
01.04.35 #       <LinusN> seems so
01.04.58 #       <webguest48> are there any problems formatting big drives (~60g) ?
01.05.27 #       <LinusN> the jukebox can handle drives up to 120Gb
01.05.44 #       <webguest48> do I need a windows box to do the format?
01.05.57 #       <LinusN> but win XP refuses to format FAT32 if it is larger than 30Gb
01.06.17 #       <webguest48> is there a dd or mkfs under linux?
01.06.29 #       <LinusN> mkdosfs -F 32
01.06.53 #       <webguest48> make a dos filesystem mkdosfs?
01.06.57 #       <LinusN> yes
01.07.22 #       <webguest48> great. I'll order a notebook ide adapter, too.
01.07.30 #       <LinusN> you don't have to
01.07.47 #       <webguest48> why not?
01.07.57 #       <LinusN> you can format it over USB
01.08.21 #       <webguest48> really? 
01.08.24 #       <LinusN> yes
01.08.35 #       <webguest48> I heve the 1.1 that needs drivers.
01.08.45 #       <webguest48> but other than that, I'm ok?
01.08.52 #       <LinusN> yes
01.09.22 #       <LinusN> on the other hand, since it is 1.1, you might want the adapter anyway
01.09.22 #       <webguest48> I keep being pleasantly surprised by the archos/rockbox combo.
01.09.41 #       <LinusN> else it will take ages to format and transfer the songs
01.10.02 #       <webguest48> the adapter(s) would let me put both drives in a pc, and copy all at once.
01.10.17 #       <LinusN> kernels newer than 2.4.14 (i think) includes the ISD200 driver
01.10.25 #       <webguest48> maybe boot from gnoppix, or somesuch...
01.10.59 #       <LinusN> (which was ported to Linux by Björn, btw)
01.12.09 #       <webguest48> linux is much easier then windows, if only because everything sort of accrues in linux, instead of being all seperate driver downloads/installs.
01.12.39 #       <webguest48> Issues seem to get solved once and for all time under linux.
01.12.48 #       <LinusN> well, windows xp has its fair share of default drivers as well
01.13.25 #       <webguest48> I've seen XP, and it does seem to be the best so far.
01.13.29 #       <LinusN> to be fair, installing 3rd party drivers is a lot simpler in windows
01.14.20 #       <LinusN> for the average luser
01.14.43 #       <webguest48> Why be fair? They'll never allow that attitude on slashdot! :)
01.15.58 #       <webguest48> Thanks for the help. I've got to go and wash laundry now. 
01.16.03 #       <LinusN> have fun :-)
01.16.04 #       <webguest48> bye.
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06.44.08 #       <caribill> can you turn the jukebox studio into a recorder by changing the chip to a mas3587f?
06.44.32 #       <midk_> no way
06.44.53 #       <caribill> ok, thanks for the info
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09.06.26 #       <Zagor> Total of 4 processors activated (22282.24 BogoMIPS)
09.08.46 #       <kurzhaarrocker> ?!? A Rockbox cluster?
09.10.51 #       <Zagor> :)
09.10.58 #       <LinusN> bango!
09.17.26 #       <kurzhaarrocker> So the development speed limit has been raised. 
09.40.52 #       <Bagder_> Zagor: that your new server?
09.40.57 #       <Zagor> yes
09.41.21 #       <Bagder_> impressive bogomips
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09.41.33 #       <Zagor> it's also the most noisy computer i've ever heard :)
09.41.54 #       <Zagor> I'm glad I won't run it frin home...
09.41.56 #       <Zagor> from
09.46.05 #       * LinusN HATES the AOL secure login
09.46.29 #       <Bagder> aha, still fighting that?
09.46.33 #       * Bagder feels no envy
09.47.24 #       <LinusN> they really made it hard this time
09.47.38 #       <dwihno> LinusN: enlighten us, what are you doing?
09.48.00 #       <LinusN> i'm logging in to AOL's webmail with a PHP/curl script
09.48.17 #       <LinusN> s/logging in/trying to log in/
09.48.35 #       * LinusN HATES javascript
09.48.45 #       * LinusN is FRUSTRATED!!!!!!!!!
09.48.49 #       * Bagder walks off to make a cup of coffee
09.48.53 #       <dwihno> There now... Have some coffee.
09.48.58 #       <dwihno> :)
09.49.02 #       * LinusN finished his second cup
09.49.25 #       * kurzhaarrocker pours some Single Malt into LinusN's 3rd coffee
09.49.37 #       <LinusN> aaaaaahhh, that's better
09.49.57 #       <dwihno> what a waste of good coffee ;)
09.50.02 #       <LinusN> now letsch login to this schtuupid AOL scherver
09.50.42 #       <dwihno> \o/
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10.25.31 #       <Zagor> has anyone done a wiki upload since tuesday?
10.27.06 #       <LinusN> i donät think so
10.28.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> one guy had problems to upload his french voice files, see latest posting
10.29.32 #       <Zagor> yeah, that's why i'm asking
10.57.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> argh, is the wiki down now?
10.57.55 #       <Zagor> no
10.57.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I just tried to modify a page
10.58.25 #       <Zagor> works for me
10.59.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Server Error   The following error occurred:   [code=SERVER_RESPONSE_CLOSE] The server closed the connection while reading the response. Contact your system administrator.
10.59.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I get this when trying to save the change
11.00.45 #       <Zagor> ok, i'll check
11.08.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's nice to have the system administrator close at hand ;-)
11.18.22 #       <Zagor> strange error message in the log: Connection reset by peer: ap_content_length_filter: apr_bucket_read() failed
11.25.32 #       <LinusN> probably a permission thing
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11.29.18 #       <dwihno> \o/
11.29.21 #       <dwihno> Hej Quelsaruk!
11.29.23 #       <dwihno> Mår du bra?
11.29.32 #       <quelsaruk> bra!
11.29.39 #       <quelsaruk> :)
11.29.43 #       <dwihno> Jag har risgryta med mig till lunch på jobbet idag. Du får smaka om du är snäll ;D
11.29.47 #       <quelsaruk> ..
11.29.48 #       <quelsaruk> umm
11.29.49 #       <Zagor> lunch
11.29.54 #       <dwihno> :-)
11.30.07 #       <quelsaruk> tack so mycket
11.30.09 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
11.30.16 #       <dwihno> :)
11.30.21 #       <LinusN> Zagor: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/09/msg02528.html
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12.48.31 #       <Zagor> yeah I saw that
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15.08.46 #       <webguest02> Any news on iRiver port? iRiver have recently released a new firmware themselves, and its not much better :)... REALLY want Rockbox bookmarks back (used to have an archos)
15.09.17 #       <webguest02> any decisions been made on how it will load? i assume a 'hacked' flashed rom and an image on disk?
15.09.41 #       <webguest02> did PaulS's iRiver get fixed?
15.09.53 #       <webguest02> via bdm i mean
15.10.06 #       <LinusN> i haven't heard from him for a long time
15.10.39 #       <webguest02> i thought maybe he would use the bdm work to re-flash a non-broken firmware...
15.10.50 #       <webguest02> nice one for the LCD driver btw :)
15.10.51 #       <Hadaka> hmh, the archos recorder 20 had a digital miniplug - was it optical or not?
15.10.59 #       <webguest02> had - not
15.11.09 #       <LinusN> he doesn't have a bdm wiggler
15.11.41 #       <Hadaka> so it's just coaxial miniplug? eg. a miniplug to RCA wire is what one should use for plugging it to an amp?
15.11.57 #       <LinusN> yes
15.11.58 #       <webguest02> hadaka - yes, i just used a normal stereo 3.5 stereo jack to 2xRCA
15.12.19 #       <webguest02> to put it into my SOny MD player (which gave MUCH better sound than using the Archos inbuilt DAC)
15.12.22 #       <Hadaka> 2xRCA? not mono 3.5 to 1xRCA?
15.12.31 #       <webguest02> its got in and out in same socket
15.12.39 #       <Hadaka> aah, right
15.12.42 #       <webguest02> i think a mono one would short-circuit 2 of the 3 pins
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15.12.47 #       <Hadaka> that's even nicer
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15.12.50 #       <Hadaka> thanks
15.12.53 #       <ripnet> np
15.13.23 #       <ripnet> btw i managed to convert a coax digi out to optical by just connecting a LED to it :)
15.13.41 #       <ripnet> not sure how risky that was
15.14.28 #       <ripnet> is anyone looking for buffer overruns in the stock iRiver firmware?
15.14.35 #       <ripnet> to load custom software that is without a BDM
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15.14.45 #       <ripnet> like the 007 XBox hack
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15.15.28 #       <ripnet> brb
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20.39.52 #       <webmind> oi
20.47.20 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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