--- Log for 18.07.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 19 hours ago 00.00.01 # forums.rockbox.org/index.php?;wap2 is what my browser defaulted to when I pointed at http://forums.rockbox.org/ 00.00.39 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.00.40 # not here 00.00.44 Quit klrspz () 00.00.56 # anyways, I don't use my pda to surf the web 00.01.03 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 00.01.44 # Well, this was a smartphone so, it may pick a different profile. 00.02.13 # heh, the url you gave is indeed very browsable 00.03.03 # seems to be read-only 00.03.11 # Hm? 00.03.16 # I posted a few responses through it. 00.03.47 # wow you managed to post something through a mobile phone? 00.03.58 # Three or four posts, yeah. 00.03.59 # I nearly can't right an SMS easily 00.04.25 # I just get text links for the subforums and posts, no linkt to login of post. Maybe the url you gave is that of a subframe? 00.04.37 # petur: The login link is only on the main forum screen. 00.04.55 # The front page of it all 00.06.44 # ah well, that gives the icon version again. But nevermind, I have no need for this ;) 00.06.52 # Hehehe 00.07.21 # Well, my phone died, so I finally sprung for a smartphone, since my old HP PDA died, and decided to try it out. 00.07.32 # Anyway, I now have to leave. 00.07.33 Part Paul_The_Nerd 00.22.16 Quit ender` (" cd /pub && get beer") 00.25.12 Quit Nico_P () 00.33.27 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.33.34 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 00.34.04 Quit Kohlriba ("Quit") 00.37.42 Join webguest24 [0] (n=47608244@labb.contactor.se) 00.37.47 # hey 00.38.02 # I am having trouble decideing on the bootloader I should choose 00.38.12 # I have an Iaudio X5l 00.38.44 # and if I download Iaudio x5 bootloader will it make my battery have less life or something? 00.41.57 # I think battery life got better recently, don't know how it compares to retail os 00.45.36 # well 00.45.46 # the X5l has like 30 hours of battery supossedly 00.45.55 # compared to the x5's like 14 00.46.05 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 00.46.47 # I don't think there's any firmware difference between x5 and x5L, just a bigger battery 00.48.22 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-178-124-247.dsl.pipex.com) 00.54.59 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.58.30 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 00.58.30 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.58.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.59.19 # amiconn: you remember this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5291.0 ? 01.01.17 # Ages ago... 01.01.29 # * amiconn doesn't read the forums often nowadays 01.01.37 Join borges__ [0] (n=chatzill@e178016255.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.02.24 # Too much jabber 01.03.16 # well, certainly in the ipod subforums :) 01.04.34 # heh 01.04.46 # I'm all for Iaudio 01.05.03 Nick webguest24 is now known as DeathDesigns (n=47608244@labb.contactor.se) 01.05.07 # you know 01.05.20 # rockbox is cooler in my opionin 01.05.23 # not as pretty 01.05.28 # DeathDesigns: running rockbox already? 01.05.37 # and the Iaudio has trouble handling it 01.05.42 # but 01.05.48 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 01.05.51 # you can lister to music and look at pics 01.06.04 # and you can zoom in like 130%+ more 01.06.13 # listen* 01.06.21 # ima go watch king of the hill =p 01.06.50 Join alphakiller [0] (n=bohas@200.162.22.132) 01.08.30 # fat_checkname() needs a real filter to prevent invalid filenames, or do we implement it on a higher level (maybe make the vkeyboard aware it's editing a filename)? 01.15.26 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 01.17.35 Quit TeaSeaLancs ("Leaving") 01.20.28 Quit borges_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.29.20 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.30.32 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 01.33.01 Quit uski (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.33.49 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 01.58.24 Quit DeathDesigns ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.59.55 Quit PaulJam (".") 02.07.14 # iPod 3g status (using the latest CVS with no changes): mp3s play with buffer underruns. Wavs play correctly. Flac files may cause crashes, or it may just be the one I tested. 02.07.30 Quit dan_a () 02.08.33 # linuxstb: What's the boost frequency for PP5002? If it's the same as for PP5020 we should probably increase it a bit 02.20.41 Join PyromancerX [0] (n=Pyromanc@c-24-63-23-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 02.23.01 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 02.26.19 Join KylePV [0] (n=c86c1dfb@labb.contactor.se) 02.26.21 Quit borges__ ("ChatZilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 02.30.30 Quit dpassen1 () 02.30.39 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.31.24 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 02.34.45 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp143-229.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.36.21 Quit PyromancerX2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.42.34 Quit KylePV ("CGI:IRC") 02.50.31 Quit Poka64 ("XChat 2.6.4 - www.xchat.org") 02.58.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.04.01 Quit MrStaticVoid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.13.22 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 03.20.52 # does anyone know if the vmware devkit has sdl installed? 03.20.58 # yes it does 03.21.06 # so it can build the ui sim? 03.21.10 # yes 03.21.16 # a great :) 03.21.24 # sound doesn't work (vmware limitation) but everything else is fine 03.21.28 # * JdGordon has something to do in his 2 hour lecture today 03.21.55 # te image works with the new free vmware server thingy ye? 03.22.03 # no idea 03.26.09 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 03.34.56 Join testuser [0] (n=maxmanan@ip68-230-216-129.rd.hr.cox.net) 03.35.28 Nick testuser is now known as hockeyav (n=maxmanan@ip68-230-216-129.rd.hr.cox.net) 03.39.19 # I'm running iPod Linux, and was wondering if I installed RockBox, would it overwrite my bootloader with it's own, or is there a way to add rockbox to my bootloader 03.40.30 Quit Xerion (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.40.30 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 03.43.11 Quit hockeyav () 03.46.23 Quit hardeep ("Killed by frash (Requested by panasync)") 03.52.01 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@stealth.thestaticvoid.org) 03.52.09 Join CloFan [0] (n=no@ip70-178-132-138.ks.ks.cox.net) 03.53.15 # Can someone help me with a iPod Rockbox problem? 03.54.05 Quit pixelma (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 03.56.23 # CloFan: your gonna have to just ask the question.. or its gonna stay very quiet in here... 03.58.24 # Heh.. alright. Well my problem is that while I'm listening to music, the hard drive is constantly being accessed. This can't be good for battery life, and I'm sure a small jolt will go a long way if it's moving all the time. 03.58.37 Join scott666_ [0] (n=scott666@c-24-245-69-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 03.58.38 Quit scott666 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.59.19 # there is an option to set how long untill the disk powers down 04.00.32 # I have it set to 4s. That is seconds, correct? It definitely keeps spinning after 4 seconds because I can feel it moving in my hand 04.01.09 # which ipod? 04.01.20 # 4G greyscale 04.01.36 # your not using the patch so its uses 64mb of ram instead of 32 are u? 04.02.00 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 04.02.53 # I'm not sure.. I followed these instructions exactly: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation and haven't done anything else to it 04.03.02 # anyway, it just means its taking too long to fill the buffer, so the disk doesnt actually get a chance to spin down. im pretty sure its a know "bug" 04.04.36 # Oh I see. Does the patch you're talking about fix it, or has the issue not been resolved? 04.06.32 # no, that patch makes it worse :p 04.08.26 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)") 04.11.56 Join scott666 [0] (n=scott666@c-24-245-69-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 04.11.57 Quit scott666_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.18.14 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 04.29.53 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 04.39.02 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 04.47.28 Join KylePV [0] (n=c86c0b48@labb.contactor.se) 04.49.20 # I don't know if this was reported yet but the latest change to CVS that was supposed to fix the tetrox preview area for iPod 5G, produces one still looking odd 04.49.57 # There seems to be a 4*4 block areaontop of the original preview area 04.55.41 Quit KylePV ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.58.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.59.19 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host83-147.pool8252.interbusiness.it) 05.01.19 Quit spiorf (Client Quit) 05.01.25 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACD0BFDB.ipt.aol.com) 05.03.05 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host83-147.pool8252.interbusiness.it) 05.05.24 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@203.187.240.141) 05.14.29 Quit perpleXa (Connection timed out) 05.17.34 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.21.56 Join muesli [0] (n=muesli_t@203.187.240.141) 05.22.29 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 05.32.35 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 06.00.14 # linuxstb: shouldn't Daniel Ankers be put in the credits for getting 3G playback working? 06.16.26 Quit alphakiller () 06.22.26 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 06.31.46 # midkay at least he highly deserves it ;) 06.32.06 # muesli: agreed. probably just an oversight. :) 06.32.11 # oh. 06.32.14 # i get it. very funny. 06.32.14 # :) 06.32.38 # :) 06.33.22 # 3G playback is working? 06.33.39 # front-page changelog.. 06.34.04 # Yeah, I hadn't read that yet. 06.34.21 # I'm trying to figure out how to get this damnable phone to properly check my email without downloading 880 messages each time. 06.34.52 # haha. 06.34.59 # which phone? 06.35.59 # Cingular 2125, which is a rebranded something else, though I can't remember what at the moment 06.36.22 # ah. looks nice. 06.37.48 # Well, I needed a phone that didn't have a hinge. I had three options. 06.38.07 # One had iTunes, one cost an obscenely large amount for the fact that it really didn't have anything but shiny buttons, and the third was this one. 06.38.32 # Paul_The_Nerd: why not the shiny button one? 06.38.33 # haha. "had iTunes". how putrid. 06.38.56 # sharpe, because that was all you got for a lot of money - shiny buttons? 06.38.59 # midkay: Well, Cingular offered an identical phone without iTunes for $150 less, apparently, but it was only available online so I'd have to wait and deal with them over the internet. 06.39.05 # shiny stuff is fun. 06.39.07 # bah. 06.39.27 # sharpe: gosh, that was such an unexpected, non-cliche statement! 06.39.36 # Besides, now I can have MP3s as ringtones and be like all the hip kids. Before I had to settle for midis. 06.39.49 # haha. 06.40.04 # you mean "now I can have MP3s as ringtones and be unlike sharpe." 06.40.07 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders if this phone supports midis, but highly doubts it. 06.40.17 # where the fuck do electronics people hang out on irc 06.40.29 # midkay: it may've been expected, but it wasn't a cliché. 06.40.38 # you could turn a MIDI into an MP3 or something anyways. 06.40.38 # dongs, afk. 06.40.41 # i need some help programming slave fifo on ezusb fx2 06.40.44 # midkay: what do you mean by that? 06.40.57 # sharpe: nothing you'd understand. 06.41.32 # yeah. okay. 06.44.44 # anyone have a 60gb ipod? 06.44.56 # what kind of battery life do they typically get with rb 06.45.42 # Check the IpodRuntime page, I think there's times there for 'em 06.45.53 # ok 06.47.21 # wow.. not so good 06.48.13 # around like 8 hours, right.. 06.48.21 # yeah 06.48.42 # my x5l is doing much better with the july 13th or so fw on it 06.49.18 # that's good.. 06.49.24 # h140 needs to be rma'd.. waiting to hear back from iriver.. 06.49.32 # thats getting like 20 hours or so 06.50.22 # BHSPitLappy: waht? make sense plz 06.51.04 # they hang out away from the keyboard 06.51.24 # dongs: he's telling you to go AFK like we all secretly want. 06.51.41 # ouch 06.53.23 # midkay: im not laughing 06.53.34 # dongs: i am 06.53.35 # dongs: i'm not either. 06.53.46 # i'm, in fact, serious. 06.58.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.59.47 # hmm... wonder if h140 is still the best value size/battery life/price wise (don't care about video) 07.06.22 Quit muesli ("ich will KEe!!!") 07.08.28 Quit BHSPitLappy ("Leaving") 07.21.08 Join joe2 [0] (n=YouCeyE@ppp-71-136-79-57.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) 07.21.54 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.25.30 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 07.30.47 Quit JoeBorn (Nick collision from services.) 07.31.18 Nick JB_away is now known as JoeBorn (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 07.31.31 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I just think what would be the best way to save the timestamp to the tagcache (last playtime) 09.24.25 # and currently all numeric entries are 32-bit only 09.24.44 # scorche? 09.25.48 # amiconn: anyway, the timestamp needs to be numeric so it can be used as search condition also 09.26.38 # midkay: [09:16] *** scorche` [i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 09.26.49 # petur: --> scorche (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox 09.26.52 # :) 09.26.53 # soon before. 09.27.16 # maybe he's not around though. 09.27.22 # * petur takes second eye also away from web client window 09.27.34 # :o 09.32.12 Quit scorche (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.33.20 # * petur says nothing and takes third eye away from web client window :) 09.33.29 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-42-82-255-91-32.adsl.proxad.net) 09.35.20 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 09.36.00 # haha. 09.42.01 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-131-107.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.46.26 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 09.53.01 # amiconn: hmm, what do you think about adding one function to timefuncs.c that just converts the tm to 32-bit value? 09.53.12 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.10.83) 09.54.23 # Slasheri: I'm in favor of that. it's usually called time(). 09.54.49 # that sounds good then 09.55.19 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 09.55.19 # should it return Epoch time or some other rockbox defined timestamp? 09.55.23 # epoch 09.55.50 # we want to be posix compabile when possible 09.56.26 # I suggest looking at and perhaps copying the glibc implementation. 09.56.45 # true, i will check that soon 10.05.38 Join slimx [0] (n=slimx@81.255.106.202) 10.11.34 Join slimx_ [0] (n=slimx@81.255.106.202) 10.14.35 Quit Mordov|wo (Remote closed the connection) 10.18.52 Join synfx [0] (n=synfx@124-168-41-173.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.23.55 Quit slimx (Remote closed the connection) 10.25.08 Nick slimx_ is now known as slimx (n=slimx@81.255.106.202) 10.25.48 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust472.winn.cable.ntl.com) 10.26.24 # Hi dev-guys...? 10.26.47 # yes! 10.26.48 # hi 10.27.03 # I'm trying to investigate a reproducible crash (on the H300 and H300 sim at least). Details are on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5662 10.27.22 # I keep getting pointers set to a magic value of 0x55555555 10.27.30 # Is this a special value? 10.27.46 # * midkay steps back into the shadows as unnoticeably as possible. 10.27.53 # I assume unititialised memory? 10.28.03 # initialised that is... 10.28.06 # * scorche notices 10.28.18 # * pondlife had a bicycle accident and can't spell anymore 10.28.34 Join foRza [0] (n=tMs@firewall.hikt.no) 10.30.06 # pondlife: looks like some kind of buffer overwrite or something 10.30.16 Join obo [0] (n=c38119cd@labb.contactor.se) 10.30.44 # Slasheri: I have a mktime() function in my Audioscrobbler patch if you can't find anything better.... 10.30.47 # Yep, I feared as much 10.30.50 # Slasheri: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5166 10.31.17 # The .next entry is never set to that value (assuming GDB is reliable at spotting conditional breakpoints) 10.32.17 # This may be a long-standing issue, not a new one. But it's reproducible and only happens with DirCache on. 10.32.44 # I'll play with my config file (it seems very config dependent) and see if I can work out any more criteria. 10.33.19 # The config file attached to #5662 should repro it for anyone else who wants to look... ;-) 10.34.17 # Sadly I haven't got much time at the moment as have been off work after aforementioned bicycle accident, so need to catch up on real work for the next day or 2. 10.34.39 # hope it wasn't too bad ? 10.34.46 # Nah, mainly teeth lost 10.34.56 # 2 or 3 of them from the front top 10.35.11 # 2 now, maybe a 3rd later 10.35.40 # I got lucky some years ago and was only out for some weeks 10.35.50 # biking can be dangerous 10.36.13 # were you hit by a car? 10.37.00 # Yep 10.37.18 # He turned into me, hit me very slowly, but enough to knock me off. 10.37.27 # No broken bones, luckily 10.37.48 # I hope they looked after you, when I got hit they first checked their car :/ 10.37.48 # Just dentists. I really enjoy dentistry :( 10.38.24 # They were ok. Seemed in as much shock as me I think. But it's a bit blurry from here. 10.38.54 # I think I broke the bit of my brain that handles C. 10.39.07 # I might only be able to code in Visual Basic from now 10.39.13 # urrgh. 10.39.13 # or java :) 10.39.49 # Nah. Java would be too exciting. 10.40.45 # Anyways, gotta get on with the day job 10.42.05 # same here 10.43.25 Join ph03n1x [0] (n=NDMcKay@host-212-158-201-72.bulldogdsl.com) 10.46.21 # amiconn: Do you know how much of an improvement your bit handling optimisations are? 10.46.38 Join scorche` [0] (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 10.46.40 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.46.55 Nick scorche` is now known as scorhce (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 10.47.00 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 10.47.00 Nick scorhce is now known as scorche (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 10.48.41 Nick ze_ is now known as ze (i=ze@70.40.149.90) 10.50.47 # ok...I have the Ondio now in my hands... 10.51.13 # I'm impressed by how tiny and light it is.... 10.51.46 Quit synfx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.52.15 # Unfortunately it seems that something is going wrong 10.52.39 # I put some alkalines, powered it on and now I'm stack in a splash screen 10.53.13 # It says Archos Ondio, Ondio SP, OS Version: 1.32b 10.53.20 Join synfx [0] (i=radiosta@124-168-41-173.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.53.36 # The manual says that it should go to the menu 10.53.42 # But it does not... 10.54.04 # um, just to make sure i'm not about to do something bad: 10.54.06 # C:\Documents and Settings\Tim\Desktop\rockbox-nano>ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin 10.54.06 # Generating firmware image compatible with iPod mini, 4g and iPod photo/color... 10.54.24 # And inserting the USB cable has no effect... 10.54.28 # any ideas? 10.55.31 # The weird thing is that it doesn't hang, I can shutt it off 10.55.59 # synfx: Yes, that's fine. 10.56.03 # But only thing I get is the splash screen 10.56.31 # Genre9mp3: You haven't installed Rockbox yet then? 10.56.50 # No I havent, just got it in my hands 10.57.19 # Can you access it at all via USB? e.g. insert the USB cable first, then boot (I've never used an Ondio...) 10.58.14 # linuxstb: That worked, thanx! 10.58.32 # I have USB Access... 10.58.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.58.47 # My heart went to its original position 10.59.07 # Oh, there is a Barry White Track in there 10.59.18 # linuxstb: thanks 11.00.23 # hello 11.02.51 # Hmmmm...the thing is, if I don't have access to the retailOS, how am I supposed to flash it? 11.03.07 # * Genre9mp3 tries to figure out what's wrong 11.03.23 # Well, the Retail bootloader should load the file-based version of Rockbox anyway, right? 11.03.43 # yes 11.03.48 # Where does the X5 stand in terms of speed compared to the other Rockboxified players? 11.04.05 # ravon: define speed 11.04.07 # Speed? 11.04.21 # ravon: it has the same cpu as irivers 11.04.26 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.04.27 # Paul_The_Nerd: I don't know nothing about Rockbox installation on Archos...I'll start reading 11.04.32 # scorche: Ability to decode a given format 11.04.45 # Not optimized for a specific platform. 11.04.47 # Genre9mp3: For all practical purposes, it's like an iRiver or iPod *after* the bootloader is installed. 11.05.12 # And Rockbox itself can then flash itself on the Archos targets. 11.05.48 # Paul_The_Nerd: I suppose it works like that, but currently I get stuck on retailOS splash screen 11.06.03 # and I cannot figure why 11.06.10 # ravon: the x5 is comparable to the iriver h100 and h300 platforms 11.06.21 # LinusN: So one could say average? 11.06.36 # Genre9mp3: Have you extracted Rockbox to the HD and seen what happens? Also, what's it formatted? 11.06.38 # Thanks :) 11.07.27 # Paul_The_Nerd: FAT32 11.07.50 # linuxstb: I didn't test the speedup, but there should be some. The block functions became smaller, and there's less stack usage for some of them 11.08.20 # Genre9mp3: The internal flash of the Ondio *must* be formatted FAT16 for the retail firmware to work 11.08.36 # This is mentioned in the (original) manual 11.08.39 # I was about to say "A tiny voice in my head is whispering Fat16, but I don't know where it came from." 11.08.58 # hmm 11.09.02 # rockbox works :D 11.09.06 # Flash media is almost always formatted FAT16 (except if it's larger than 2GB) 11.09.11 # (duh, but yay) 11.09.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: s/HD/flash/ 11.09.35 # amiconn: thanx, so this is the reason why retailOS never starts 11.09.56 # amiconn: I need retailOS to flash it with Rockbox, right? 11.10.14 # nope 11.10.21 # Retailos can't flash 11.10.30 # * Genre9mp3 is surprised! 11.10.31 Quit eGen_ ("mdlo kon ! ... runk kon !") 11.10.49 # amiconn: Yeah, I knew it was flash. For some reason I tend to think of something's internal storage as an HD no matter what. It's a *really* bad habit I have. 11.11.08 # So I can run Rockbox without actually flash it? 11.11.23 # yes 11.11.43 # But I highly recommend flashing rockbox, as it gives 2 benefits 11.11.53 # (1) significantly faster boot 11.12.20 # (2) You can run rockbox directly from flash ROM, leaving more free RAM for buffering music and other stuff 11.12.58 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.12.59 # The latter isn't that important on Ondio regarding to runtime (cause there's no spinup), but more RAM is useful in various other situations 11.13.37 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-64-123-189-117.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 11.14.39 # * Genre9mp3 should read about Archos Installation 11.15.26 # amiconn: I don't plan to use the retailOS, should I format it to FAT16? 11.18.59 # now that the multi-screen api has been added to the plugin struct, is there any plans to remove all the lcd functions from the plugin strcut to shrink it a bit and to "force" ppl to make use of the remote? 11.20.02 Part Paul_The_Nerd 11.21.44 Join eGen_ [0] (i=generat0@boserver.mudecin.cz) 11.21.55 Join scorche` [0] (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 11.22.44 # JdGordon: That doesn't sound like a 5-minute job... (adjusting all plugins to the multi-screen API) 11.22.53 # Genre9mp3: yes 11.23.21 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.23.29 # no, its not, and im not suggesting it be done in 1 hit, but i just had a look, and nearly 50% of the plugin api is lcd functions which are all in the screens struct 11.24.21 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 11.24.25 # scorche`: get skype 11.24.25 # linuxstb: actually, with a decent enough script it could be a 5min job, its mostly just adding rb->screens[i]-> infront of the function calls. 11.24.45 # JdGordon: Don't you mean screens[0] ? 11.24.51 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 11.24.56 # There's no point in formatting a 128MB flash mem as FAT32, especially not when you store rather large files 11.24.57 # scorche: get headphones 11.25.20 # linuxstb: thats only for the main screen. 11.25.42 # Exactly. You can't just expect the plugins to work on the remote screen without any effort. 11.25.46 # amiconn: I just copied Rockbox files (still FAT32 though) and nothing happens 11.25.48 # and to save typing iv got #define rbs(i) rb->screens[i] coz im lazy :) 11.26.04 # scorche: having to push a button is such a bother, don't you think? 11.26.21 # linuxstb: ye, i know, im tihnking long term would it be in the plans? 11.26.22 # fine...i am getting heaphones 11.26.49 # Genre9mp3: Of course not. How should retail load rockbox when it can't read fat32? 11.26.53 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 11.27.45 # Oh yes, you mentioned that before... 11.27.49 # stupid me! 11.28.10 # JdGordon: I can't think why anyone would be against it... 11.29.04 # :) 11.29.12 # after 3.0 :p 11.29.48 Quit ph03n1x () 11.33.22 # Woohoo! 11.33.44 # I now have 2 Rockboxed DAPs! :) 11.33.59 Quit qwm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.34.50 # (not flashed it yet, though) 11.38.08 # i have personally pimped up 3 DAPs with rockbox 11.38.25 # Hmm...the little thing gets warmed easily 11.38.33 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 11.39.16 # * amiconn has 7 rockboxes :) 11.40.35 # amiconn: A common wish we make in Greece is: "Hope you make them a hundred" :) 11.41.56 # Weird name this ajbrec.ajz file 11.43.34 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.47.30 # Genre9mp3: ajbrec probably stands for Archos JukeBox RECorder 11.47.41 # (the first archos using this boot file name) 11.47.49 # Dunno about the extension 11.48.54 # linuxstb: What's your opinion about a clock increase for PP5002? 11.49.02 # * amiconn suggests 36 and 90MHz 11.50.34 # Are they rated higher than the PP5020s then? 11.51.00 # I'm not even sure if CPU scaling is enabled for the 3gs yet though... 11.52.38 # (checking the source, no it's not enabled) 11.54.24 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 11.55.29 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perplexa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 11.59.37 Quit qwm ("Lost terminal") 12.03.20 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@67-40-198-98.tukw.qwest.net) 12.04.14 # LinusN: PP5002 is specced 90MHz, PP5020 is specced 80MHz, PP5022 is specced 100MHz. Dunno about the PP5021 (no product brief available) 12.04.21 # Erm, I mean linuxstb 12.05.25 Quit Jungti1234 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.07.26 # amiconn: Increasing the clock would seem sensible - assuming it doesn't generate too much heat. 12.09.07 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 12.10.55 Quit midkay (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12.13.44 Join dongs_ [0] (n=HPUX@b148242.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 12.21.04 # amiconn: long long ago we made a patch for the stop button in the WPS for the Irivers but you didnt commit it. The problem has come up again: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5291.0 12.21.16 # remember that? 12.25.23 Quit dongs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.27.48 # Someone already pointed me to that yesterday 12.28.21 # I don't think there is a problem now... 12.29.05 # really? 12.29.19 # so what is the OP seeing? is he using an old build? 12.30.48 # A short press is supposed to stop playback. A (ordinary) long press does nothing afaik 12.31.04 # * amiconn isn't sure, because he _always_ stops before shutting down 12.31.11 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3102.gwdg.de) 12.32.37 # I thnk some people always do a long press to stop and so nothing happens...at least that is what you told me last time! :) 12.38.02 # Mmmm: hmm, interesting.. there isn't so long time a go when i fixed that 12.38.07 # but it seems to be broken again 12.38.41 # Ha Ha...I know, its always changing back and forth....funny eh? 12.39.00 # I put the patch in my last post 12.40.07 # wooooot! dark tranquility is coming to aus :D 12.40.31 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.40.33 # Mmmm: actually there was a time where all three type of presses worked 12.40.45 # i don't know what has happened to it now 12.40.49 # *when 12.41.30 # really? why did it change? Strange! 12.41.50 # Mmmm: so that was the state iv) when it worked and then at state v) it was changed back to state ii) 12.41.54 # :D 12.42.40 # probably some other changes broke it 12.43.09 # I didn't think it ever did all three at once.... You mean I missed out a state? 12.43.17 # Madness! :D 12.43.54 # hehe, yeah :D 12.49.30 # Mmmm: i will try to remember fix that soon but can't just yet because tagcache code is in bad state 12.50.20 # Can't you just apply that patch? 12.50.44 # or do you think the problem runs deeper? 12.51.19 # Hmm, i wonder if there really is a need for two PRE-states.. but i will look into that soon 12.52.04 # OK :) 12.55.18 # Mmmm: ah, yes.. that seems to be necessary 12.56.13 # hmm, what about just (lastbutton & ~BUTTON_REPEAT) != WPS_EXIT_PRE 12.56.20 # would that do the same thing? 12.57.42 # then no need to add more PREs :) 12.57.57 # * Genre9mp3 is worried about his Ondio 12.58.11 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 12.58.21 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.58.21 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.58.25 # It seems that it sucks battery juice more than it should... 12.58.29 # scorche: the kiosk is based upon a kiosk in my neighborhood. :p 12.58.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.59.24 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549347FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.59.35 # ..and it is quite warm I can say... (don't know how worm it should be though) 13.01.04 # 15mins of MP# @ 128Kbps playback it went from 70% to 55% :( 13.01.08 # MP3 13.04.15 # Seems like your Ondio suffers from a problem we already observed with some Ondios 13.04.48 # This is exactly what I am afraid of... :( 13.04.56 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.04.57 # For some reason the main DC-DC converter starts drawing more power than usual, and gets pretty warm 13.05.30 # We used to think that the LT3440 chip sorta breaks, but this doesn't seem to be the (only?) problem 13.06.07 # It's a pity....but I guess you get what you pay 13.06.17 # My Ondio SP suffers from the same problem, but even though we changed the chip at devcon, the problem did persist 13.06.38 # So it's not (only) due to the chip. Maybe I'll change the coil next 13.07.02 # So, I suppose there's nothing I can do about it (without put my hands into the hardware) 13.07.41 # * Genre9mp3 is the first time that wishes he bought faulty alkalines 13.07.51 # Nope. Normally, the Ondio has a quite decent runtime. I get ~9 hours on 900mAh NiMH cells, and >10h with decent alkalines 13.08.14 # My Ondio SP only runs about 3 hours... 13.09.07 Quit merbanan ("Gone fisting") 13.09.19 # With a quick estimation It seems that I will get only 2 hours....hmph! :( 13.09.21 # Slasheri: You mean as part of the if condition? I haven't come across that notation before, what does ~ do? 13.10.49 # * amiconn hopes to find a solution for this power-sucking problem 13.10.54 # I thimk that the seller _should_ mention this problem, don't you agree? 13.10.54 # Mmmm: It's a bitwise NOT. i.e. it will clear the BUTTON_REPEAT bit, and then compare it with WPS_EXIT_PRE 13.11.05 # The coil is relatively easy to change (compared to the chip) 13.11.11 # Yes, he should 13.11.32 Join merbanan [0] (i=banan@farmer.campus.luth.se) 13.11.56 # linuxstb: slash: ooh clever...... 13.12.08 # Damn, It's like having something and don't having it at the same time! :( 13.12.11 # That is, if he is aware of the problem. The problem with retailos is that it doesn't reach the runtime figures archos promises, even without this defect 13.12.43 Join sharpe` [0] (i=sharpe@user-0c8hc2c.cable.mindspring.com) 13.12.52 # Archos promises up to 10 hours. With retailos you get more like 6...7 hours, on an intact Ondio 13.13.04 Quit Slasheri (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13.13.08 # So you say this power draining problem affects mostly Rockbox? 13.13.56 Quit sharpe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.14.35 # slash: (lastbutton & ~BUTTON_REPEAT) != WPS_EXIT_PRE it is then eh? 13.14.44 # oh, hes gone! :D 13.14.45 # It's more visible in rockbox, because rockbox itself usually has better runtime. 13.15.43 # Oh... I thought you said that with a problematic Ondio you get 6-7 hours with original firmware 13.15.49 # Nope 13.16.10 # With an intact Ondio you get 6..7 hours in retail, and ~10 hours in rockbox 13.16.21 # Well, Rockbox made Archos promises real... 13.16.26 # With a problematic Ondio you'll get around 3 hours in both 13.16.32 # But my Ondio is incapable of this... :( 13.17.39 # It's a pity, because it's so light and tiny and I had very positive feelings when I first opened the box 13.18.14 # And I was planning on buying a 4GB MMC...now I don't know if it worths it... 13.18.39 # But I'll be sure to check with other alkalines, too 13.18.43 # ...just in case 13.22.06 # Well, we need to find a hardware fix. Then you can try to fix your Ondio as well 13.22.30 # The bad thing is that an intact Ondio can develop this problem. My Ondio SP did 13.23.02 # * amiconn is afraid that his or pixelma's Ondio FM could also develop the problem. 13.24.56 # This problem only happens on Ondio's? 13.25.13 # Does this ever happened to a Player/Recorder? 13.25.36 # Ondio only 13.25.49 # The recorders and players have different DC-DC converters 13.26.42 # Speaking of hardware issues, my Recorder v1 makes worrying clicking sounds when I turn it on, and has done for a long time. I think it's from the hard disk, but it seems to still be working fine. 13.27.12 Quit merbanan (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.27.33 # * Genre9mp3 is left out with an irritating semi-satisfy feeling 13.28.47 # 40mins of playback > -30% battery...it seems that it's exactly the same problem 13.28.50 Join davix [0] (n=davix@89.1.218.60.dynamic.barak-online.net) 13.29.26 # linuxstb: At least the Hard Disk is easily replacable 13.29.40 # And you can find everywhere 2,5 inch HDDs 13.29.53 # Yep, and by a much larger one as well. (I still have the original 20GB) 13.31.04 # linuxstb: it may very well be the batteries 13.31.20 # * Genre9mp3 thinks that if I attempt to fix my Ondio, I should somehow find a replacement chip 13.31.39 # not to mention that I don't have soldering experience 13.32.00 Quit foRza () 13.32.14 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@83.218.11.202) 13.32.54 # LinusN: You mean a lose connection? I've used various different batteries during the lifetime of the clicks... 13.33.02 # ^loose 13.33.20 # could be a symptom of loose connections 13.33.46 # That would make most sense now I think about it - the LCD backlight flickers a little sometimes as well. 13.34.15 # the most common symptoms of loose connectors are startup problems and hd clicking 13.34.26 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host18-215.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 13.34.40 # The chip isn't that easy to replace (10-lead MSOP package) 13.34.47 Join merbanan [0] (i=banan@farmer.campus.luth.se) 13.35.03 # amiconn: I can imagine.. 13.35.30 # takes some patience, skill and proper equipment 13.35.31 # LinusN: My recorder v1 does also sometimes click on boot/spinup, but I couldn't find any loose connections 13.36.06 # amiconn: weird 13.37.33 # I even resoldered all battery connectors anyway, and put in new 2700mAh cells, which sit very tight 13.38.01 # Do you still have the original HD? 13.38.06 # well, a clicking hd *might* also be an hd problem 13.38.40 # linuxstb: Yes, I've put it into my Studio. Works perfectly there 13.39.23 # BTW, speaking of Ondios... I can't understand why Archos didn't put a backlight at all since 1)there is space for it and 2) it's completely necessary at some situations 13.39.46 # amiconn: So the same drive clicks in the recorder, but not in your Studio? 13.39.59 # (or are you using a different drive in the recorder now/) 13.40.00 # ? 13.40.28 # Genre9mp3: The Ondio PCB is even prepared for an EL backlight, see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndioBacklight 13.40.39 # linuxstb: Different drive (80GB) 13.41.15 # amiconn: Thanks, I am aware of this mod 13.42.03 # It's funny that the SP and FM use exactly the same shell 13.42.30 # There's a little mic opening while there is no mic 13.42.41 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 13.43.28 # And a round "tap" where the line-in is on OndioFMs 13.44.37 # Yes. The round tap is actually a hole, and there's a case-coloured dummy placed between the 2 PCBs where the FM has the line-in socket 13.45.26 # What I like, is the button configuration... less buttons of course compared to H300 but pretty similar navigation configuration 13.45.31 # They even placed the parallel port buffer chip on the SP PCB which is only used for recording transfer from the MAS to the CPU 13.46.07 # So if you add a mic and a line-in socket, it would be possible to add wav recording on Ondio SP in rockbox 13.46.56 # Haha...3 pending mods already and I just got it in my hands! :P 13.47.54 # amiconn: Since you have an OndioFM, have you used it for recording? 13.48.21 # Only for testing 13.48.34 # I wonder if OndioFM power the mic or not.. 13.49.56 # Once, they gave me a T30 for test recording, and I was dissapointed by the fact I had to use it with self-powered mics only 13.50.35 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=San@194.125.95.96) 13.50.38 # Unlike H100/H300 that AFAIK the provide 2,5volts to the mics 13.52.00 # heh, the guys at taperssection.com would rather not have plug power :) 13.52.24 # petur: why? 13.53.33 # it's useless for them and limits the number of mics you can use (they fear some self powered mics won't like the power) 13.53.55 # haven't asked them if they are sure or if it's just a feeling they have 13.55.12 # petur: Oh, you are talking about the H100/H300 13.55.32 # I think that self-powered mics don't have problems with that 13.56.08 # Genre9mp3: The Ondio has a line in, not a mic in 13.56.26 # If you want to connect an external mic, you'll need a mic amplifier 13.57.14 # What's the difference between a line-in and a mic-in? The power? 13.58.57 # petur: This guy here: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=4980 has used the Sony ECM-717 which is self-powered with his H100 and had no problems 13.59.25 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.00.05 # I have now set access requirement for viewing diffs in twiki. some moron is spidering every single revision. 14.00.20 # Genre9mp3: them guys at taperssection talk about $500+ mics and consider the irivers very low end 14.00.58 Join AM [0] (n=51e2cbe3@labb.contactor.se) 14.01.23 # The H100 input is a combined mic/line input. The archos input is a pure line-in 14.01.39 # It's not sensitive enough to handle microphone levels 14.03.36 Join A_M [0] (n=51e2cbe3@labb.contactor.se) 14.03.38 Quit AM (Client Quit) 14.03.46 # petur: Probably because of the built-in amp... Some people find it a bit noisy 14.04.09 # for silent recordings at least 14.04.09 Quit A_M (Client Quit) 14.05.10 Join A_M [0] (n=51e2cbe3@labb.contactor.se) 14.07.25 Quit [San] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.08.49 # Genre9mp3: With adding a mic I meant an internal mic, like the one in the Ondio FM 14.11.08 # Hey folks! I could use some help in regard to this forum thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5344.0 Is it really meant to be possible to define sublines inside conditionals in WPS code? 14.12.09 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-056-120-220.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.13.35 # amiconn: Yes I understood that, I was just then wondered about the line-in (if it was similar to the irivers) 14.13.47 # A_M: not sure 14.14.08 # A_M: are you andreas mattsson? 14.14.12 # yup 14.14.26 # i believe there is a bug in your patch 14.14.39 # http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/gui/gwps-common.c.diff?r1=1.54&r2=1.55 14.14.53 # Line 1669 14.15.07 # did you really mean to replace that with reset_subline? 14.15.57 # hmm... I think not 14.15.59 # i believe that is the problem he is having 14.16.31 # if i correct that line, the battery icon is back 14.16.57 # was just about to commit it when i discovered the alternating sublines problem you asked about 14.17.08 # i'm sitting in gdb as we speak 14.17.27 # This only happens with engineer wps? 14.18.07 # at least from the bundled ones... 14.19.36 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 14.20.41 Part davix ("Leaving") 14.21.01 # forgive me for being such a rockbox dev noob, but what is gdb? 14.21.38 # <_FireFly_> gdb is the unix debugger 14.21.48 # ok 14.21.50 # <_FireFly_> gdb = gnu debugger 14.22.16 # Just checked engineer code, is t0.25 subline time valid? 14.22.47 # I thought it should be at 1/10sec steps 14.23.23 Join cerf [0] (i=cerf@216-15-115-65.c3-0.bkl-ubr2.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com) 14.23.32 # I tried changing line 1669 back myself aswell, and the icon is indeed back and the fix still works (the problem I wrote the patch for is no longer there). 14.24.06 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 14.27.23 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 14.28.07 Mode "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 14.28.26 # nothing like cinnamon toast crunch in the morning 14.28.41 # Genre9mp3: you are correct 14.29.21 Topic "Feature freeze lifted - read the mailing list" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 14.29.56 # let the promiscuous committing begin! 14.29.59 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54876F1C.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.30.22 Join izzledizzler [0] (n=izzlediz@82-35-196-111.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.30.23 # what mailing list post? :) 14.30.25 # hi 14.30.32 # does the latest rockbox have tag cache working? 14.31.09 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.31.24 # I SEE NTOHIGN INT HE MAILING LIST... 14.31.27 # errr.. 14.31.33 # it takes a few minutes before the mail is delivered to everyone. it's a big list. 14.31.34 # ugh...caps and typos >_> 14.31.44 # i am looking on the site itself 14.32.30 # time to drop the kids off at the pool 14.32.32 # brb 14.32.39 # scorche: the site archive is just another member of the mailing list. it gets no special treatment. 14.34.08 # * obo thinks his build server is going to cry ;) 14.34.51 # Zagor: awesome, and makes complete sense to me. :) 14.34.52 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3095.gwdg.de) 14.35.03 # seconded 14.35.07 # Zagor: It's sad news, but I agree it's the right thing to do. 14.35.10 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-178-124-247.dsl.pipex.com) 14.35.47 # feature freeze lifted? 14.35.47 # * petur keeps hitting F5 on the mailing list archive page 14.35.57 # glad i stayed up to see it =) 14.35.57 # * Genre9mp3 does that, too 14.36.06 # Genre9mp3: yes 14.36.07 # SEe it? 14.36.08 # or HEAR it. 14.36.10 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@67-40-198-98.tukw.qwest.net) 14.36.24 # * scorche got it read to him by midkay like a bedtime story 14.36.31 # g'night =) 14.36.31 # :D 14.36.36 # nighto, scorche. 14.37.11 # petur: "reload every" is a good extrention =) 14.37.59 # wait scorche 14.39.00 # will 3.0 be extended for newer targets (ipods, iaudios), or will it still follow the existing 3.0 and 3.1 plan? 14.39.42 # So, does this means that we are relesing today? 14.39.43 # obo: well the plan is sort of in the air right now, since we failed to follow it. we'll have to see what happens the coming weeks/month 14.39.44 # i personally think that already the iPods and iAudios are working quite well that when the release happens, probably in a few months, they'd probably be doing just fine... 14.39.49 # Genre9mp3: no 14.40.44 # qwx: ? 14.40.47 # zagor: time for a front-page news post? 14.40.59 # scorche: want album list? 14.41.03 # midkay: indeed 14.41.15 # does anyone know about tag cache? 14.41.16 # qwx: would love it 14.41.21 # midkay: You know I disagree with that :) The ipod port is a _long_ way from being release quality: 1) battery life; 2) skipping during playback; 3) Missing hardware support - no recording, no accessory support, no firewire support, etc etc etc 14.41.22 # i'll just wait until the mail is in the archive 14.41.26 # scorche: ah. i'll make one for you then. :p 14.41.44 # iaudio is closer isn't it? 14.41.48 # linuxstb: right, battery life.. :) skipping is pretty global a problem, no? scrolling fast on irivers isn't a problem? :o 14.41.59 # scorche: then you'll pick albums you want, i'll pack them into a neat rar, and dcc send it to you! 14.42.17 # we want *accessory support* and recording for an iPod release? that's a surprise to me.. 14.42.20 # qwx: may i sleep now? =) 14.42.32 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.42.32 # scorche: of course.. sleep well, silly american. :p 14.42.35 Nick qwx is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 14.42.38 # comiserations and congratulations all.. 14.42.53 # midkay: The skipping problem is an order of magnitude worse on the ipods - at least on the irivers, you can use the EQ, crossfeed etc at the same time as MP3 decoding. 14.43.02 # ah, that's good at least.. 14.43.06 # well, i suppose we'll see. :) 14.43.12 # I've never experienced skips on my h140. 14.43.21 # (apart from with AAC) 14.43.22 # linuxstb: could you explain the origin of your nick? i'm curious. :p 14.44.02 # has the battery animation in engineeer2 ever worked as i think the author intended? 14.44.11 # linuxstb: BTW, did you see what i wrote earlier asking about whether Daniel Ankers not being credited for his 3G discovery was an oversight or intentional? 14.44.14 # I started and abandoned a sourceforge project related to DVB software on Sourceforge many moons ago, and linuxstb (Linux Set-Top Box) was the name of that project. The name followed be to Rockbox when Rockbox was hosted on Sourceforge. 14.45.04 # LinusN: Probably but very slowly (using default 2sec time) 14.45.28 # the timing is allright, but the animation is not 14.47.47 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.48.22 # anyone know where i can get a new h140 other than ebay or nulime ? 14.48.32 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 14.48.50 # looks like wps sublines in conditionals is a no-no 14.49.55 # yup, as far as I can see lines are split into sublines before conditionals or any other tags are parsed. 14.49.59 # I tried that once (sublines in conditionals) having trouble though I don't remember what it was 14.50.39 # midkay: Yes, I did see that. I hadn't considered adding him to the credits - he didn't contribute any actual code or bugfixes, but his debugging and testing pointed me in the right direction to spot the bug and he confirmed that my fix worked. But people have probably been added to the credits for less, so I'm happy either way. 14.51.08 # cerf: Nowhere. 14.51.08 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.51.17 # H140s don't get made. 14.51.30 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.51.41 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3095.gwdg.de) 14.51.41 # linuxstb: ah, i see.. i guess it's not a big deal, but IMO he deserves to be there. 14.51.49 # i know... figured there were some still floating around out there 14.52.09 # midkay: (being the person in question) I don't mind if I don't appear in the credits at the moment. 14.52.40 # dan_a: ah, hello.. :) understood.. i'm just kind of anal about giving people credit. :) 14.53.02 # I'm hoping I'll have some useful bugfixes before long :) 14.53.27 # well, majorly contributing to fixing audio playback is quite a nice one. :) 14.53.51 # * dan_a blushes 14.54.16 # Which reminds me, someone should add Paul_The_Nerd... 14.55.41 # dan_a: You're in the credits now :) 14.56.14 # * petur gives the mailing list archive an angry look 14.56.16 # why didn't you add paul_the_nerd ffs!!!?!!! :) 14.56.30 # Separate commit... 14.56.38 # Give me chance :) 14.56.41 # haha. 14.56.42 # :D 14.56.58 # And I've forgotten his real name... 14.57.08 # paul.. uh.. 14.57.12 # now you're goting to have to give midkay credit for getting dan credit 14.57.16 # paul.. something.. 14.57.18 # louden 14.57.21 # cerf: too late, way up on the list. :D 14.57.23 # what? 14.57.26 # oh 14.57.28 # nm 14.57.35 # and now me for getting midkay for getting dan 14.57.37 # Paul Louden - I think 14.57.39 # hahaha. 14.57.41 # yeah. louden. 14.57.43 # pixelma: Yes - I've just checked IRCNicks 14.57.44 # stop 14.57.48 # highlighting 14.57.48 # me 14.57.49 # now 14.57.54 # ~:( 14.58.01 # haha. 14.58.19 # lounge :P 14.58.38 # * lou disables soundfile when his nick is used in IRC 14.58.42 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 14.58.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.00.34 # i really hate when you are seeding something and everyone bails as soon as they get to 100 and i get stuck with a gusy with 2% of a 4gb file 15.00.43 # at a 10k upload speed 15.03.34 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.04.10 # Zagor: FYI - if I try and view a diff on the wiki, then cancel the login box, I get a page with just "{ScriptUrlPath}/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration" on it 15.04.29 # yeah, I noticed too. will fix. 15.04.53 Quit A_M ("CGI:IRC") 15.04.55 # dan_a: BTW, I'm curious about your FLAC crashes - even if it's a dodgy FLAC file, I would like to prevent Rockbox crashing with it. Are you able to upload the file somewhere? 15.05.22 # Zagor: you sent the mail in rockbox-dev mailing list, right? 15.05.44 # I sent it to both 15.06.10 # Well, then the mailing-lists page is laggy 15.06.30 # there seems to be some snag with mailman, causing delay. gmane got both posts pretty quickly, but I still haven't gotten them myself 15.07.15 # "Gentlemen, start your compilers" :-) 15.07.31 # linuxstb: I only tried http://www.archive.org/download/mogwai2006-04-25.mbho.flac16/mogwai2006-04-25d1t02.flac once. 15.07.33 Join Febs [0] (n=40be240f@labb.contactor.se) 15.07.46 # mogwai! 15.07.58 # I'll have a bit more of a play later, I think there may be random crashes and device resets happening 15.08.10 # cerf: Indeed :D 15.08.13 # there is a song that will test your eq 15.08.24 # do I choose 'initialize now' to get tagcache working? 15.08.26 # it doesn't even matter which song 15.08.37 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 15.10.26 # oh, hmm 15.10.39 # * amiconn thinks lifting the freeze isn't a good idea 15.10.47 # * LinusN is not surprised 15.10.58 # amiconn: hehe, I thought you'd say that :-) 15.11.18 # * petur finally gets the mail 15.11.28 # now it's in the archive too 15.11.29 # and is 'entries' in tagcache debug the number of songs? 15.15.04 # dan_a: Did that FLAC file crash immediately, or did any audio play first? 15.15.25 # (I understand you've only briefly tested FLAC) 15.15.44 # btw, i have noticed, that since the commit for the wps-sublines the swapping time (for small values, e.g. %t0.6) became very inconsistent. I.e. before the patch the line "%t0.6 %xdr;%t0.6 %xdO" the bitmap always changed after the same amount of time, and after the patch it became somehow irregular 15.18.33 Join CYPER^ [0] (i=CYPER@user-2909.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk) 15.18.52 # I have a question 15.18.58 # linuxstb: It doesn't seem to have crashed this time. It plays without skipping too. 15.19.03 # CYPER^: then ask 15.19.19 # can I safely delete these folders from the root: Calendars, Contacts & Notes 15.19.23 # is there a support channel of which I'm unaware? 15.19.33 # iPod 4G 15.19.42 # Oh, I just got a Data Abort by pressing the FFWD button 15.19.51 # they are left from the apple firmware I guess 15.19.57 # CYPER^: rockbox doesn't care about those 15.20.01 # izzledizzler: no, this is it. I'm sorry nobody is able to answer your question at this point. 15.20.16 # great :) 15.20.24 # CYPER^: Yes, delete them. You can even delete ipod_control if you want to. 15.20.25 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-131-107.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.20.37 # I will :D 15.20.39 # (Apple's firmware will recreate them every time it's started though). 15.20.49 # there was iPod Control 15.20.52 # but now is gone 15.20.55 # I don't know why 15.21.22 # PaulJam: even with the latest cvs build? 15.21.48 # LinusN: i have just updated, compiling now 15.22.11 # hrm, is msg.inf a rockbox file? 15.22.24 Join Slasher [0] (i=miipekk@mad-213-01.cc.jyu.fi) 15.22.29 Quit Slasher (Client Quit) 15.23.09 # izzledizzler: no 15.24.01 # all rockbox files are in the .rockbox dir except for the rockbox binary 15.24.14 # (which should be moved to .rockbox too) 15.25.15 # thanks 15.25.48 Quit Mmmm ("Byeee") 15.27.09 # move rockbox.ipod to .rockbox folder? 15.28.35 # CYPER^: Yes - the bootloader checks both the root directory and .rockbox folder for a rockbox.ipod 15.28.35 # CYPER^: both are supported 15.28.41 # CYPER^: yes, i believe it's a good idea if all rockbox files would reside in the same directory 15.29.13 # great 10x :) I'll move it :) 15.29.15 # i guess now is a good time to change the zip file generation scripts 15.29.36 # LinusN: Yes, I was just thinking the same. The ipod bootloaders have always looked in .rockbox first, so that won't be a problem. 15.29.46 # also can I make it to show the artist on one screen and then on the next screen just the song names? 15.30.08 # I feel we need a separate directory for all the data (user config, game saves, user fm presets) 15.30.24 # * amiconn would have preferred to keep the freeze and have a proper 3.0 release rather than leaving the unfixed bugs unfixed and let even more stuff rush in 15.30.52 Join deltron [0] (i=ryan@24-207-133-89.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 15.32.07 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.32.28 # amiconn: how long would you freeze? we have no fixes on the horizon for some of the playback bugs, for instance 15.32.31 # the thing is that nobody has bothered/had time to fix said bugs 15.32.52 Quit muesli|delhi ("ich will Khe!!!") 15.33.39 # so the freeze would have continued for at least another month 15.34.51 # tagcacge works nicely 15.34.55 # cache, even. 15.35.36 Join webguest85 [0] (n=414a01a7@labb.contactor.se) 15.37.23 # Linus, could you commit hardeeps latest revision, "playlist catalog" patch to cvs please, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5179 15.38.41 # * Genre9mp3 wonders if we are going to have a commit-orgasm now that the freeze is lifted 15.38.43 # I'm in two minds - it seems to me that the playback engine is going to need rewriting yet again (to unify it with hwcodec), so we don't really lose anything in the long-term by not having a stable playback engine today. 15.38.57 # or any other dev, hardeep revised the patch on the 14th, 15.39.03 # LinusN: it still happens with recent cvs. when i revert both commits the swapping time of the bitmap is stable again. (i have only tested with the simulator) 15.39.24 # ok 15.39.25 # Another question: how can I make the volume to be shown from 0 to 100 or at least in more meaningful way with numbers 15.39.50 # cause now is from -74 to +6 15.40.30 # CYPER^: You can make it from 0 to 10 by altering a WPS 15.40.31 # * webguest85 points to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5179 pretty please 15.40.32 # webguest85: funny, that patch was the first i had a look at after the lift, a few minutes ago 15.40.44 # hehe, wonderfull, thank you 15.40.57 # Genre9mp3 is it difficult? :) 15.41.12 # CYPER^: the values are decibel 15.41.21 # CYPER^: The -74 to +6 refers to the gain in dB - the only meaningful value when dealing with volume. 15.41.28 # any idea which file should I edit? 15.41.42 # CYPER^: The .wps file you use... 15.41.52 # yeah I realize that, but my mom won't be happy with it :) 15.41.55 # open it with a text editor 15.42.15 # CYPER^: You can also remove the numbers completely and use a WPS with a volume icon. 15.42.33 # I prefer numbers: for volume and for the battery meter even :) 15.42.48 # Ok I'll see what I can do :) 15.43.11 # CYPER^: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 15.43.38 # there's a good start to get familiar with the wps code 15.43.38 # one more question hehe: with the apple firmware when you press the middle button while playing then you can seek with the click wheel 15.43.51 # here you have to hold the left/right 15.44.18 # can I seek with the click wheel here as well? 15.44.33 # thanks folks 15.44.35 Part webguest85 15.45.13 Join foRza [0] (n=tMs@firewall.hikt.no) 15.46.27 # CYPER^: No, but the REW/FFWD buttons have customisable accelleration instead - so you can seek through long files very quickly that way. 15.46.54 # I found that in the settings :) 15.47.49 # But using the wheel for seeking has been mentioned before, so maybe someone will implement it. 15.47.57 # Zagor: So what's the problem if the freeze goes on another month? 15.48.01 # it will be nice :) 15.48.06 Join bluebrother [0] (i=gGEfoYt5@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 15.48.34 # The problem with lifting the freeze is that it becomes even less likely the bugs will ever be fixed 15.49.05 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.49.05 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.49.14 # So (taking it to the extreme) we'll have a super-duper rockbox one day, but still no non-archos release 15.49.14 # I disagree. If after three months we still haven't been able to fix the bugs, what says another three months will help? 15.49.22 # also there are some themes, that were installed by default - and the look ugly, cause some small icons are not where they are supposed to be: for example the volume icon is behind the seek bar 15.50.04 # CYPER^, install the fonts package. 15.50.05 # as I wrote in the mail, a freeze without "light at the end of the tunnel" is very boring and turns away new developers who can't get their patches even evaluated. 15.50.47 Quit akaias (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.51.42 # I much prefer having fun than having a release, if we have to choose one over the other 15.52.26 # What's the difference between Ipod Mini 1st gen and 2nd gen? 15.52.36 Mode "#rockbox -o Zagor " by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 15.52.56 # is a patch the only solution to scrolling acceleration onthe iPod at the moment? 15.53.25 # how can I use the iPod while connected to the PC? 15.54.05 # izzledizzler: you could use one of the precompiled experimental builds in the forums. 15.54.14 # ahhhhh... feels much... warmer in here :) 15.56.46 # amiconn: what about offering a semi-bounty to get the bugs fixed, e.g for every real bug fixed the person who fixes it can choose a patch that they would like commited but the core devs are indifferent to the patch, commited? 15.56.55 # heh.. now hopefully someone will develop the one button queuing 15.57.02 # also can I put a font of my choice? Any font? 15.57.08 # like Verdana or Comic Sans? 15.57.43 # CYPER^: http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/ttf2bdf.html 15.58.19 # JdGordon: haha 15.58.45 # that of course wouldnt motivate anyone with comit rights tho :p 15.58.46 # i will say that switching tree_run and tree_wps was a big help 15.58.54 # so for every bug fixed, we can commit a crappy patch to introduce 5 more bugs? 15.59.16 # it solves the accidential queing of a dir 15.59.25 # LinusN so I convert a regular font with tha program and then upload to the player? 15.59.38 # i think it should be default 16.00.04 # no, then you convert the bdf font to the rockbox .fnt format, then you upload it to the player 16.01.03 # 10x :) 16.01.13 # only 10 ? 16.01.15 # sad 16.01.20 # LinusN: ye, something like that 16.01.33 # what exactly does the "playlist catalog" do? 16.01.45 # list all playlists on the device? 16.01.57 # can I just copy across tagcache files? 16.02.00 # it keeps acatalog of your favourite playlists and lets you add files to them easily 16.02.04 # when using a new build 16.02.22 # sounds nice. 16.02.56 # bluebrother: one of my favourite features 16.03.03 # finally in cvs 16.04.21 # bizarre. where else are settings stored apart from in .rockbox? 16.04.23 # foRza: The difference between the two minis is basically two different CPUs (PP5020 on the 1st gen, PP5022 on the 2nd gen) and different button hardware. 16.04.43 # izzledizzler, in an unused block on disk 16.07.42 # I stuck on a new build and I'm getting tagcache errors, so it must be enabled somewhere 16.07.59 # linuxstb: The LCD hookup is also different between mini g1 and g2 16.08.27 # (true 16bit access on g2, and split into 2 8bit accesses on g1) 16.08.51 # I had tagcache enabled on my previous build, but this one shouldn't have it.. 16.09.07 # izzledizzler, try cleaning the settings on boot 16.11.23 # amiconn: Ah, I didn't know that. 16.12.23 # * linuxstb suspects the manual writers will be busy in the next few days as well... 16.12.37 # Ha ha! 16.13.09 # Actually, I'll be traveling for business starting tomorrow, so I should have some downtime on airplanes and in hotels. I might be able to get some updates done. 16.13.18 # on the topic of new features... can i request http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2808 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 be commited? both should be synced and ready to go, 2808 will reset settings tho :p 16.13.34 # tsk 16.14.52 # nice picks JdGordon 16.15.51 # also the remaining patches from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5191 which add support for the remote, pretty please :D 16.16.01 # hopefully someone will start to work on my laserbeams-from-usb-adapter addon for the ipod 16.16.03 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p508187F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.16.45 # for some reason I still get 'no files' when I boot the build 16.16.53 # tagcache must be on or something. 16.18.18 # JdGordon: wouldn't it be better to address the #ifdef hell before committing those patches? 16.19.24 # which? 16.19.36 # the remote patches 16.19.52 # or are they unaffected by the ifdef hell? 16.20.32 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 16.20.54 # they add slightly to it, in the button code only, and i dont really see the ifdef hell going in the near future... add the patch more so the remote is usable in 99% of the ui. 16.21.07 # * JdGordon possibly is not making much sence as he needs sleep 16.21.50 # Is someone saying my patches have #ifdef hell?? ;) 16.21.54 # i see two patches to the virtual keyboard in the tracker 16.21.59 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 16.23.16 # Well, since the freeze is now lifted ( :// ) we should go ahead and implement the button action system 16.23.52 # definitely 16.23.58 # you mean the one i've been begging for? 16.26.08 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.28.43 # what does it do? 16.30.43 # the button action system is an internal system for handling the problem of having multiple buttons do the same action (main keypad, different types of remotes) 16.31.19 # .. or simply put, instead of checking if the off button was pushed, you'd check if the exit action was called 16.31.51 # it's a really old idea, but never really took off 16.32.08 # or, instead of having to worry about weather u held a button down, the system would do that for you 16.32.37 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.33.04 Part LinusN 16.34.17 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.37.29 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 16.37.31 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.38.58 # ah... i guess i'll keep waiting then :) 16.42.59 Quit bondolo ("Cya!") 16.46.03 Quit flux__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.47.35 Quit CYPER^ () 16.53.26 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.55.43 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host217-145.pool8252.interbusiness.it) 16.56.23 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.58.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.59.44 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 17.01.26 Join adiamas [0] (n=adiamas@68pool.staff.iwon.com) 17.01.32 Quit pondlife ("byebye") 17.02.23 Quit adiamas (Client Quit) 17.03.14 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.03.16 Join adiamas [0] (n=adiamas@68pool.staff.iwon.com) 17.03.26 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 17.09.38 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 17.10.34 Quit foRza () 17.12.19 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.13.50 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@c-71-57-61-189.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 17.15.19 Nick cerf is now known as TheOtherCerf (i=cerf@216-15-115-65.c3-0.bkl-ubr2.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com) 17.18.48 Quit Mmmm ("Byeee") 17.21.18 # Zagor: Bagder: The CVS builds page is missing a rockbox.zip entry at the bottom for the 3g 17.21.38 Quit slimx (Remote closed the connection) 17.23.55 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 17.25.34 Part CloFan 17.26.47 Join RaeNye [0] (n=c7cb43c9@labb.contactor.se) 17.26.52 # Aloha 17.29.00 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.9.83) 17.29.13 Quit Nico_P () 17.32.15 # hey 17.33.52 # Any alive dev 'round here? 17.37.13 # how do I reset my ipod once I put the .zip on it? 17.37.40 # I hope you meant 'unzip the .zip on it' 17.37.44 # yes 17.37.45 # :P 17.37.50 # deltron: Safely eject it from your computer, then if it doesn't reboot automatically, hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds. 17.38.06 # ^eject and unplug 17.38.18 # ah, right on 17.39.01 # well, now that FF is lifted, I want my X5 patches comitted to CVS. Could you help? 17.40.28 # RaeNye: Not sure who you're talking to, but I don't own an X5, so I would rather not commit any X5 patches - a) I can't test; and b) I don't know enough about that part of Rockbox to know if you're doing good things (although I'm sure you are...) 17.40.30 # what'd you do RaeNye ? 17.40.53 # 'm not a dev just an x5 owner 17.41.56 # I've done things before (some bugfixes and most notably the dual bootloader) but uncomitted are the brightness & contrast patch and the FM radio patch. 17.42.10 # sweet 17.42.16 # linuxstb: fair enough 17.42.37 # RaeNye: talk to Bagder 17.42.51 # and there's also some progress towards remote LCD although I don't have a remote 17.43.31 Quit Jungti1234 () 17.43.43 # petur: Bagder or Linus, yeah... but they seem not be be here ATM 17.45.06 # is there any way to play music while it charges? 17.45.40 # Yes, start Rockbox without the USB cable inserted, then hoid the MENU button as you insert the cable. 17.46.21 # But it's possible that Rockbox will use more power than the USB cable provides - meaning you won't get any increase in charge... But try it and see. 17.46.35 # ah 17.46.47 # i like rockbox so far, very nice 17.47.02 # <3 .m3u support 17.49.30 # maybe it's time I learn to use logf. Any one-line guide? 17.51.13 # RaeNye: It just works like printf but writes to a buffer which you can view in (I think) a main menu option - for LOGF enabled builds. 17.51.24 # * amiconn volunteers to write the x5 remote lcd drawing routines, even though he doesn't even have an X5 17.51.34 # Yet another 2bit greyscale pixel format 17.51.37 # What about ipod greyscale lib? 17.51.49 # Will happen soon 17.52.05 # I assume the format's known already? Meaning you could do it in the sim? 17.52.06 # yip yip 17.52.10 # (for the x5 lcd remote) 17.52.22 # That is, if the lcd is fast enough. It looks like it is, but I can't be sure until I try the actual thing 17.52.24 # thanks amiconn 17.53.01 # RaeNye: The basic format is known; what's not known to me is the orientation of the bytes as it depends on the orientation of the panel 17.53.10 # linuxstb: and how to enable logf support? is there a limit on the "syslog" created? 17.53.36 # You enable it via the configure script. I'm not sure about the size limit in the syslog. 17.53.40 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 17.53.45 # that.. loose woman. 17.53.45 # I can give you sample remote LCD images from the OF 17.54.05 # I put a sample one in the patch 17.55.02 # (sample image = height, width and 2*height*width data bytes) 17.55.18 Quit qwm (Client Quit) 17.55.40 # linuxstb: Before porting the grayscale lib to ipod, I'll add linearisation and gamma correction to it 17.55.42 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-29-169.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 17.55.52 # the (D)evel build is the logf-enabled one in the configure script? 17.56.20 Quit deltron ("reboot") 17.56.39 # RaeNye: Yes. Press D, then L, then ENTER by itself. 17.57.59 # ok, thanks. 17.59.20 # now I just have to get the simulator not crashing (gentoo...) and I could do some high-level RB dev 17.59.25 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 17.59.42 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-131-107.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.00.08 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp143-229.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.01.39 # amiconn: speaking of LCD code, don't you think there's too much duplication in the various lcd-*.c variants? 18.05.44 Quit petur ("eow") 18.08.47 Join DomasoFan [0] (n=Miranda@194.208.228.200) 18.09.05 # hi. 18.10.04 # is some from the rockbox iriver port here? because i have a question 18.10.33 Join alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 18.10.38 # just ask, i'm sure someone will answer. 18.11.34 # oooo, (weird) red build 18.12.05 # obo: i expect you to get unplug pause in now :) 18.12.14 # just too old a gcc version??? 18.12.37 # Mikachu: heh, hopefully ;) 18.12.43 # ok. does someone know if the battery problems with the iRiver H 340 has been fixed? Because I have a older version of Rockbox running on my device and last recording it died. OK it shut off during recording and I don't recognized it. Now I will go on a long trip and I will be happy if my iRiver don't let me down during the trip. 18.13.17 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.13.35 # DomasoFan: i think so, there was some talking about it a few weeks back 18.13.36 # DomasoFan, yes when speaking of the short battery life due to too much power drain. 18.13.36 # battery runtime on h300 now exceeds the batterytime of the original firmware. 18.13.43 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.13.44 # obo: The red build happened on Christi's server, because she didn't update sh-elf-gcc 18.13.57 # Bagder: Please disable sh builds on that server... 18.16.07 # I think the battery was full and I used it about 30 minutes before I recorded about 20 minutes. Maybe the new daily build will be better than this old stuff on my unit. 18.18.19 # if your battery lasts for only less than an hour after a full charge, i guess your battery needs to be replaced. 18.18.53 # how is the batterytime with the originalfirmware? 18.19.04 Quit JoeyBorn ("Leaving") 18.19.20 # has there been a few broken batteries around? because the unit is new and i don't used it much. 18.25.28 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 18.25.31 Join Moos [0] (n=56d42f29@labb.contactor.se) 18.26.09 # Hello all ! 18.26.30 # nice to see the freeze is finally lefted 18.31.03 # amen to that 18.31.39 # just hope queue and play gets implemented 18.31.41 # indeed :) 18.31.53 Quit obo ("CGI:IRC") 18.32.04 # "queue and play", what do you mean? 18.32.51 # i think tree_wps and tree_run should be switched 18.33.08 # like when you hit the navi button.. it brings up the file browser 18.33.30 # ah... ok 18.33.31 # when you select a file it makes a new playlist out of that dir 18.33.36 # erasing your playlist 18.33.58 # instead, it would be better to be able to change that behavior 18.34.46 # switching tree_wps and tree_run wouldn't do that.. but it does solve the problem of hitting the navi button twice by accident 18.35.43 # i've been compiling manually just for that reason for the past 3 months 18.35.48 # not sure to absolutly understand what do you mean, but there is one playlist option for preventing one accidental erasing curplaylist 18.35.53 # goffa: have you tried the party mode? it prevents the current playlist from accidently being deleted. 18.36.10 # yeah.. but that puts a file at the end of the list 18.36.28 # and... it also prevents you from loading another list while in party mode 18.36.32 # * amiconn wonders how one can hit a button twice *by accident* 18.36.54 # hehe :) 18.37.00 # amicon... its easy.. you hit the navi button when the wps screen is on 18.37.08 # and.. the browser doesn't load 18.37.19 # I mean, hitting a button once by accident can happen 18.37.23 # But twice?? 18.37.29 # so.. thinking you must not have depressed the button you hit it again 18.38.01 # then the current directory is queued forcing you tor reload your playlist 18.38.15 # so you do hit twice by accident 18.38.22 # used to happen to me all the time 18.38.34 # Never happened to me in 3+ years of rockboxing... 18.39.44 # but do you see HOW it could happen? 18.40.12 # Not really 18.40.14 # this only happens to me when i want to go to the browser and i don't notice that i'm already there. 18.40.28 # that's what i'm talking about PaulJam 18.40.36 # If you press NAVI to enter the browser, you'll enter the browser 18.41.00 # It may take a few seconds, depending on whether you use dircache (I don't) and maybe other things 18.41.13 Quit dan_a (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.41.15 # you hit the button and before the browser loads there is that lag 18.41.23 # i don't use dircache either 18.41.36 # That's one thing I like about rockbox - it queues button actions, so you can press sequences blind and in advance 18.41.55 # yeah.. i like it too 18.42.14 # but... i think that right should select a file instead of navi 18.42.26 # that way it eliminates the problem i mentioned 18.42.28 # Right selects files 18.42.40 # yeah.. redundant isn't it? 18.42.40 # yes 18.42.45 # Navi too, and removing that will be rather unintuitive 18.42.59 Part DomasoFan 18.43.07 # no... compile it once my way and try it 18.43.32 # hiting navi twice brings you back to wps 18.43.43 # instead of blowing awoy your list 18.43.45 # oh, i just noticed, that if party mode is enabled and you queue a song next, it shows up in the view playlist screen, but it doesn't get played. 18.43.46 # away 18.43.58 Join Myth1 [0] (n=Myth@pD95FE249.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.44.03 # hi guys 18.44.07 # PaulJam: it queues it at the bottom 18.44.23 # hi Myth1 18.44.43 # party mode is useless if you ask me 18.45.10 # Today I saw that the feature freeze is lifted. Is there a chance my mod & sid codecs will get added? Do I need to do anything for this? 18.45.44 # hi moos, just noticed you joined 18.45.57 # Myth1: I don't have any mods, but I'll be happy to look at your sid codec again. Can you test your patch with the current CVS and make sure it still applies and compiles OK? 18.45.58 # goffa: but in the view playlist screen it shows up after the currently playing song (so actual playlist and view playlist get out of sync). 18.46.35 # linuxstb: Sure 18.47.05 # ah... all i knew is that when i selected a song from the browser in party mode the song i selected didn't start playing 18.47.16 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 18.47.37 # which is the main goal when selecting a song to play 18.47.49 # Hi RaeNye ! 18.48.06 # any new patch comming? ;P 18.48.27 # the negative side effect in normal mode is that you lose your playlist unless you go through a series of keystrokes to prevent that(counter intuitive) 18.48.52 # or you have to load your list again... which is a series of keystrokes 18.49.33 Join A_M [0] (n=51e2cbe3@labb.contactor.se) 18.50.10 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.51.12 # goffa: most times i select a song from the browser, i want the current playlist to be replaced with the contents of the folder. the other times i queue the song and press the next song button in the wps. 18.51.30 # beeing able to customize button behavior would make frustrated users like me happy... and allow people who like the current behavior to stay the same 18.51.59 # PaulJam: i'm just the opposite of you :) 18.52.23 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-131-107.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.52.36 # if i want to just play a dir i shut random off 18.52.48 # it keeps my list then 18.53.13 # to me that makes much more sense 18.53.22 # RaeNye: what's missing to your record and radio patches to get commited? was Linus gave you some feed backs? 18.53.22 # but having an option for everything will confuse the users even more (but i think this option would be propably more useful then an option to sort case sesitive). 18.54.05 # could.. but for those that understand it'll make them happy 18.54.14 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 18.54.24 # moos: mostly a dev 18.54.32 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 18.54.39 # lol 18.54.49 # Nice timing from Linus... 18.54.51 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 18.55.02 # * RaeNye should participate in the lottery thing 18.55.08 # Hya guys 18.55.18 # I don't see the point why Navi shouldn't select. Returning to wps is done with the play button. But maybe a configurable "enqueue as default action" would be useful. 18.55.36 # RaeNye: hehe, Linus come at good moment 18.55.41 # bluebrother: did you miss the situation i presented before 18.55.51 # i am unfortunately busy right now 18.55.55 # where you hit the navi 2 times thinking you didn't press it the first time? 18.56.00 # goffa, no, I've read it but maybe I missed your point ;-) 18.56.08 Part LinusN ("Leaving") 18.56.11 # I never happend to do so. 18.56.37 # happens a lot on my h140 and x5 more on the x5 18.56.39 # if that second press would enqueue it wouldn't destroy your playlist. 18.56.46 # Hmmpf. 18.56.48 # wow, LinusN left quickly ;) 18.57.01 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.57.04 # bluebrother: that's what i want 18.57.14 Join KylePV [0] (n=c9ee536f@labb.contactor.se) 18.57.18 # but maybe you should call it different ;-) 18.57.34 # I'd call it "possibility to set enqueue as default action" 18.57.42 # i don't care what its called as long as it does what i want 18.58.02 # my wording is poor.. i'll admit 18.58.03 # you sounded like you want to completely change the behaviour of the navi key. 18.58.18 # anyway, my X5 is kinda dead ATM, so I can't test things 18.58.23 # also, I don't see a point why navi should return to wps. Play already does this. 18.58.33 # RaeNye: I remenber to have asked LinusN few days ago about your patches, and iirc he said they was CVS materiel, maybe he will commit them when he will find a bit of time 18.58.37 # well essentially i do bluebrother, but maybe not as drastically as i sound 18.58.47 # RaeNye: what? really ? :( 18.58.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.59.03 # having navi returning to wps would annoy me heavily. 18.59.07 # but I've been working on several stuff, e.g. support for remote hold in the dual bootloader 18.59.10 # bluebrother: hitting play is intentional, hitting navi 2 times isn't always 18.59.15 # goffa: btw, why don't you use dircache, i could imagine that this would solve your accidently hitting navi twice problem. 18.59.29 # probably.. doesn't that suck more battery? 18.59.38 # but when I'm hitting navi I'm doing it intentionally. Especially from the file browser :) 18.59.45 # linuxstb: The latest patch compiles just fine 18.59.46 # not really 18.59.51 # Or Rockbox should display a splash when a disk spin-up is likely to delay the UI responding. 19.00.09 # brb.. have to travel home 19.00.12 # goffa, I'm using dircache like since it got implemented. I don't think it eats up more battery. 19.00.19 # You can feel the spinup. Why an extra splash? 19.00.21 # RaeNye: still under warranty? 19.00.30 # moos: it just stopped responding. I had it two days ago, and then it mysteriously worked again for ~7 more hours. Then it shutdown in the middle and died 19.00.48 # Myth1: Thanks. I'll try to commit it this evening - but it won't be immediately. 19.00.54 # Moos: yes, but it *has* RB on it obviously 19.01.10 # linuxstb: There's no hurry. I'm just happy if its online ;) 19.01.13 # I'll try to get to the store and see what they can do 19.01.16 # amiconn: Using the remote? 19.01.29 # linuxstb: What do I have to do for getting the mod codec online, too? 19.01.43 Quit uski (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.01.55 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 19.02.03 # he's back 19.03.01 # RaeNye: have you compiled your patches on the other rockbox platforms? 19.03.04 # Myth1: Just gently remind people now and then that it's still there.... 19.03.11 # ok ;) 19.03.23 # RaeNye: iaudio still repair even with rockbox no worries 19.03.25 # linusn: no, they're X5 specific 19.03.55 # well, how do you know that your changes won't break the other platforms? 19.03.56 # moos: yes, it's just the hassle of getting it repaired. 19.04.27 # LinusN: good question :) 19.04.46 # I wouldn't know that even if I compiled on all platforms; I can just know there're no syntax errors 19.05.11 # syntax errors are the lesser evil 19.05.45 # RaeNye: just try now and see ;) 19.05.53 # you should *at least* compile on the other platorms 19.05.57 Join rasher [0] (n=rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 19.06.27 # wow, rasher you still alive ! :) 19.06.31 # hi btw 19.06.58 # that means setting up a dev env with all compilers. I can do iriver with less hassle, but it'd take some time to check it on all platforms 19.07.29 # back 19.07.36 # bluebrother: what player do you have? 19.07.37 # yes, it means installing two more compilers 19.08.03 # goffa, h120 19.08.07 # and you using dircache might be why you dont understand my pain :) 19.08.09 # RaeNye: use vmware or dowload the shared compilers, that's nbot big 19.08.38 # is there a way to configure dircache to follow the playlist? 19.08.38 # I used that player before dircache was implemented, but I like it better with dircache. 19.08.56 # instead of loading the list of search criteria? 19.09.16 # I'm setting now a colinux debian env because the simulator crashes on gentoo; I guess I'll add the other compilers too. But it'll take a while. 19.09.29 # we have time 19.09.31 # but I agree on the point that the possibility to change the default action to enqueuing would be a nice option. 19.09.58 # dircache follow the playlist? 19.10.11 # yeah.. maybe i'm using dircache wrong 19.10.27 # but when i hit navi.. it shows where you can search for a file 19.10.31 # instead of the dir you are in 19.10.34 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 19.10.40 # the "follow playlist" option works with dircache enabled ... if you mean that. 19.10.53 # have you enabled tagcache? 19.10.54 # are you confusing dircache with tagcache? 19.11.03 # i could be 19.11.12 # didn't realize they were different 19.11.25 # dircache: caches all directory contents for faster access when browsing 19.11.39 # btw, why is it called tag*cache*? 19.11.48 # tagcache: generate a database of all files using their metadata 19.12.10 # LinusN, I guess because it's based on the files tags ;-) 19.12.26 # and on the dircache 19.12.27 # yes, but what makes it a *cache*? 19.12.28 # *relies 19.12.45 # it doesn't rely on the dircache at all 19.12.56 # oh 19.12.59 # enabling dircache 19.13.03 # because it actually caches the data (to a file) rather than generating the index every time again? 19.13.32 # LinusN: then you have to wait one Slasheri's answer ;) 19.14.16 # that deffinately helps the speed 19.14.31 # in my world, it is a database and not a cache 19.14.42 # and will prevent me hitting navi twice if its always that fast 19.14.45 # amiconn: ping 19.15.00 # i'll still compile manually though to switch play and navi :) 19.15.10 # goffa, it _is_ always that fast :) 19.15.14 # ok 19.15.26 # without it there's always that latency 19.15.32 # I still like play being a toggle key for the wps 19.15.54 # (which is why I'm waiting for http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5294) 19.15.55 # yeah.. i like navi :) we can agree to disagree on that 19.15.57 # he he he 19.16.11 # on that we really can agree :) 19.17.34 # i just wish i could program... then i wouldn't bother you people :P 19.18.04 # what keeps you away from learning? You already have a goal ;-) 19.18.51 # time 19.19.16 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.19.36 Join Moos [0] (n=56d42f29@labb.contactor.se) 19.19.42 # that indeed is a problematic point. I still have some ideas I'd like to try but I don't have time for them :( 19.20.07 # yeah... maybe when i finish up my courses for work... 19.20.13 # rasher: pong 19.20.22 # and i have to stop fixing everyone's machine 19.20.40 # although there is good money in that 19.20.52 # hehe ... you know that shirt saying "no, I won't fix your windows"? 19.21.07 # yeah.. i gotta get that 19.21.37 # amiconn: Did you ever see my battery-graph maker thing? (http://rasher.dk/rockbox/battery/) It reads battery_bench outputs. Should I add that to the Runtime wiki page, and should I change the format of the graph? 19.21.43 # i tried to refer work to others... i got my ass chewed out 19.23.24 # by the customer.. not the people working 19.23.50 # moos: amiconn said he's gonna add lcd routines to the X5 remote LCD basis, so please help him with testing 19.24.25 # RaeNye: I can't test on device myself, and someone needs to write the low-level driver (the actual lcd access) 19.24.37 # i can do that 19.24.44 Join CYPER^ [0] (i=CYPER@user-2909.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk) 19.25.02 # amiconn: low-level access is on tracker 19.25.08 # and moos has a remote 19.25.09 # I really need help 19.25.15 # how to change that: %xl|d|volume.bmp|0|0| 19.25.24 # so that it shows volume from 0 to 100 19.25.37 # like always, I'm rady (and happy to test) 19.25.39 # RaeNye: i have a remote 19.25.46 # ready 19.26.11 # CYPER^: basically, you can't. you can display %pv which is the level in dB.. 19.26.24 # amiconn: still have the x5 lcd asm optimisations in mind too ? :) 19.27.01 # linusn: yes, but amiconn said earlier he'd write the drawing routines needed. 19.27.26 # sure, but i can verify that the low-level transfers work 19.27.30 # midkay so the only 2 ways are in dB or set of images 19.27.56 # why not from 0 to 100 - it's more meaningful 19.27.56 # great. then please make use of the low-level code on flyspray 19.28.26 # CYPER^: not to some people at all. 19.28.36 # RaeNye: i'll have a look at it 19.28.40 # cyper^: 0 to 100 is meaningLESS. dB has a sound (pun intended) meaning behind it 19.28.40 # CYPER^, because it's the range the hardware supports natively, not some strange mapping to percent. 19.29.01 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@203.187.240.141) 19.29.04 # CYPER^: 0-100 is not meaningful at all to me 19.29.21 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 19.29.34 # for example, the iriver has a range from -84dB to 0dB. Mapping that to 0-100 would be ... strange. 19.29.46 # linusn: 10x. But I care more about the other patches :) 19.29.46 # What If I create 10 images each showing exact percent? 19.29.55 # that will work 19.30.13 # then you have 0%, 10%, 20%.... 19.30.23 # so saying "exact percent" is quite.. hm.. 19.30.26 # not sure of the word. 19.30.27 # yes, that's a nice idea :) 19.30.35 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 19.30.38 # percent is quite specific :) 19.30.40 # inaccurate, almost useless.. 19.30.50 # why inaccurate? 19.30.50 # CYPER^: Which player do you have? 19.30.53 # sure, but is it if you have 0% and 100% and nothing else? 19.30.55 # The problem with that is you see it updating once per ~4 clicks 19.30.57 # percent is OK for everything 19.31.14 # CYPER^, I disagree :) 19.31.28 # 100% is max volume 19.31.30 # bluebrother: you're one of the manual people, right? 19.31.32 # 0% is no volume 19.31.35 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeeps@c-71-202-85-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 19.31.37 # rasher, yes. 19.31.51 # CYPER^: And 0dB is no gain. 19.32.00 # bluebrother: how about having a way to show that a section is for blind people (such as an explanation of where buttons are, etc) 19.32.03 # the only meaning of percent here is HW capabilities. 19.32.12 # bluebrother: so that sighted users understand what the section is there for 19.32.35 # you mean something like the note symbols? Nice idea. 19.32.36 # CYPER^: but for example on iriver, would 50% mean -42dB or -10dB or -6dB ore something else? 19.32.46 # I'd be quite confused if a regular manual gave me a detailed explanation of the buttons etc. 19.32.55 # bluebrother: something like that yes 19.33.02 # doesn't matter to me: 80% still be loud 19.33.38 # CYPER^, if you just think of 80% as "loud", why can't you do so with -20dB? 19.34.05 Part xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 19.34.09 # that's less loud and I guess will be 60% 19.34.26 # also from what I've learned in school 100dB is like human screaming 19.34.31 # 160dB is jet plane 19.35.00 # CYPER^: once you're used to it, you're device independent. You know you like listening to music at XXX dB 19.35.11 # CYPER^, that's a different kind of dB. 0dB means no amplification, thus everything you hardware can produce. 19.35.38 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82.14.24.155) 19.35.44 # ../../tools/configure: line 175: test: -gt: unary operator expected .. what the.. 19.35.49 # Anyone? 19.35.56 # ../..? 19.35.57 # (that's the endianness check) 19.35.58 # so above 0dB is increased by the firmware? 19.35.59 # you have to combine the song dB value with the amplification (=gain) the HW does 19.36.18 # RaeNye: any luck for your patches about other platforms? 19.36.26 # bluebrother: that's correct 19.36.41 # CYPER^: Some hardware allows gain > 0dB, but there is a risk of clipping. A percentage scale on those devices would make even less sense... 19.37.07 # "This one goes to 110%!" 19.37.08 # moos: devenv ain't ready yet 19.37.14 # then it's not good to listen over 0dB? 19.37.25 # No - that's the point. 19.37.27 # RaeNye: k 19.37.38 # I got it now 19.37.47 # rasher, has it been working with that 2 directory levels before? I think I can remeber I had some problems with using more than the suggested 1 level. 19.37.51 # the real values are from minus something to 0 dB 19.38.01 # the real hardware output 19.38.16 # yep 19.38.32 # bluebrother: Yeah, it's been working fine. It's my windows-simulator building script.. I can only guess it's some mingw32 deal possibly 19.38.41 # now that I think of it 19.38.44 # ah, ok. 19.38.46 # ok, then I can forget about that idea :D 19.39.39 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 19.39.47 # router puked 19.39.48 # bluebrother: Luckily, the if is turned the right way around, so when the check fails, it defaults to the right endianness 19.39.50 Join Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 19.40.10 # rockbox/developer/Slasheri .. how's that work? 19.41.19 # high Slasheri 19.42.21 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 19.42.23 # bluebrother: Any objections to putting a description of the buttons under the image in chapter 2? (for blind) 19.42.56 # One big question: Can I delete songs from the iPod? 19.43.05 # without the use of computer 19.43.05 # btw bluebrother is there a variable that i can change to set enque as a default action? 19.43.09 # CYPER^: Sure 19.43.11 # CYPER^: yes 19.43.25 # what about selecting many songs and delete all of them? 19.43.37 # or anyone for that matter 19.43.37 # you can delete complete folders 19.43.41 # rasher, no. I was already thinking of that. 19.43.59 # that will be ok If I can move these many songs in one folder 19.44.02 # bluebrother: I'll just go ahead and do that, then (from pictures, will need to have someone look at the descriptions) 19.44.18 # rasher, great. 19.44.20 # This is easy/boring work, I'll do that and you can do something more useful 19.44.55 # No images of the ipods yet? 19.45.14 # I guess that's a stupid question, I can see that, but why? 19.47.41 # bluebrother: is there a list of the various macros/variables in the wiki somewhere? 19.48.02 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.48.20 # heh.. i must've been ghosted 19.48.25 # rasher, see the LatexGuidelines page. 19.48.48 # it's mostly complete for what we've added. 19.49.48 Quit KylePV ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.49.55 # Ah, I see.. how about the variables used for \opt? 19.50.07 # nobody has made images for ipods (IIRC x5 also). As the primary goal is to get in sync for 3.0 I don't consider them important (yet) 19.50.19 # look into the definitions in platform/*.tex 19.50.20 # True 19.50.24 # Okay 19.51.10 # any devs got time give me feedback on a couple of patches? 19.51.30 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-65-53.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.51.42 # I'll be back when I set my dev-env properly. Bye! 19.51.49 Quit _FireFly_ ("Client exiting") 19.51.58 # * RaeNye snaps his finger 19.51.59 Quit RaeNye ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 19.52.20 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-056-120-220.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.52.38 Part muesli__ 19.52.43 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5679 francais update 19.53.57 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 19.54.05 Join FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-120-220.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.54.33 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.56.28 # funny question: What other cool things can I install? 19.56.32 # no games please :) 19.59.25 # nothing :) 19.59.28 Join ryran [0] (n=ryran@rrcs-70-60-124-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com) 19.59.30 # cool :D 19.59.42 # the games are included. :) 19.59.46 # you can install plugins that are written for rockbox. Some are floating around. 19.59.55 # I don't play them anyway :) 20.00.13 # seeing doom on a h120 is kinda cool (but useless) 20.00.14 # play music then ;) 20.00.29 # what about files sorting: on one screen the artist and on the next screen the song titles from one artist 20.00.41 # like with the original apple firmware 20.00.44 # Tagcache... 20.00.53 # I'll check it :) 20.01.04 Join klrspz [0] (n=klrSpz@69.15.248.2) 20.01.07 # hooray for one word answers. 20.01.16 # :D 20.01.54 # sharpe`, I was just about saying the same thing (but I wanted to use two words for the answer so I was slower) 20.02.16 # ah. 20.02.50 # So now one song is playing and I can't go back to the very first screen, where the rockbox folder is + one folder with songs 20.03.03 # why? 20.03.04 # ? 20.03.08 # or how can I go there 20.03.10 # which player? 20.03.15 # iPod 4GB 20.03.23 # ops 4G 20.03.24 # when enabling tagcache you'll see that screen, not the file browser anymore. 20.03.42 # but I haven't installed Tagcache yet 20.03.45 # press the select button to get to the folder view, then left to go up a folder level 20.03.50 Quit rconan (Client Quit) 20.04.10 # CYPER^, may I recommend you the manual? 20.04.11 # yeah 20.04.24 # bluebrother probably yes :D 20.04.29 # but is easier to ask :D 20.04.41 # have you installed a recent build? There was a bug that triggered when you switched to the database view and back. 20.05.04 # (which has been fixed some days ago) 20.05.15 # 18.07 20.05.25 # the Latest 20.06.15 # how can I make certain folders don't show? 20.06.20 # like .rockbox 20.06.24 # and iPod control 20.06.43 # make them hidden doesn't help I think 20.06.46 # You can't on a folder-by-folder basis 20.07.10 # cause in the root I have icon.ico 20.07.15 # if you select "Show files: supported" .rockbox will be hidden, don't know about ipod_control 20.07.18 # and autorun.inf 20.07.46 # Found It 20.08.03 # with "Supported" rockbox is not hidden 20.08.13 # use "music" 20.08.39 # that's what I was thinking :D 20.09.02 # just perfect :) 20.09.05 # I love it :) 20.09.15 # hooray? 20.09.33 # just now I realized holding the select button does something :D 20.09.44 # for deleting folders :) 20.10.49 Quit sharpe` ("Leaving") 20.11.18 Join sharpe [0] (i=sharpe@user-0c8hc2c.cable.mindspring.com) 20.11.29 # there. 20.13.19 Quit scorche (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.13.29 # rasher, CYPER^ Rockbox hides folder having the 'hidden' attribute set, and .dotfolders, unless you set 'show files' to 'all' 20.14.07 Quit _FireFly_ (Remote closed the connection) 20.14.46 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-056-120-220.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.17.58 Quit Myth1 (Remote closed the connection) 20.18.41 Quit klrspz () 20.18.49 Join ke4nt [0] (n=ke4nt@adsl-65-68-84-233.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 20.20.50 Quit _FireFly_ ("Client exiting") 20.21.28 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-056-120-220.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.22.46 # hrm, how do I remove a BOM with vim? 20.22.48 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 20.23.03 # :set encoding=latin1 20.24.59 # that doesn't seem to be doing much of anything 20.25.15 # hm 20.25.40 # i don't think i have any files to test on 20.26.04 # the attachment to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5679 has one 20.26.49 # it's displayed in vim for me, as 20.27.03 # and iirc utf8 isn't supposed to have BOM 20.27.19 # Exactly 20.27.24 # which is why it needs to go 20.27.26 Join tinodeleste [0] (n=antoine@AToulouse-151-1-36-113.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.27.39 # I guess my vim is lacking some setup or other 20.27.46 # I'm going to blame debian for that 20.28.39 Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.28.46 # i'm sending it on dcc 20.29.19 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-056-120-220.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.29.24 # amazingly, dcc worked, for once 20.29.30 # heh 20.29.52 # Why is it amazing? 20.29.56 # it usually doesn't 20.30.07 # is predilection a word that you can use in english without getting weird looks? 20.30.11 # There always seems to be something in the way of dcc working 20.30.13 # dcc always works if it's configured correctly 20.30.17 # the swedish counterpart isn't uncommon, just looked it up 20.31.54 Part LinusN 20.32.09 # is there a Sleep button or something? 20.32.34 # I saw in the settings the auto-sleep 20.32.55 # but what about putting it in sleep mode any time I want? 20.33.13 # There is no sleep mode 20.33.17 # you just turn it off 20.33.30 # how? 20.33.48 # I don't know the Ipod controls 20.33.51 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.33.55 # CYPER^: Hold PLAY for a few seconds. 20.34.14 # thank you linuxstb 20.34.39 Quit FireFly_ ("Leaving") 20.34.46 # so there isn't that Sleep option 20.34.59 # The Sleep option turns off the ipod as well 20.34.59 # you have to turn it off and then on: has to load its firmware again 20.35.12 # no it's different with the apple firmware 20.35.18 # it's very quick 20.35.24 # less than 1 second 20.35.29 # sleep on-sleep of 20.35.32 # Rockbox boots very quick as well - no need for a sleep mode 20.35.55 # yeah, It's quite quick :) 20.36.03 # I can live with that :) 20.36.44 # is it normal to show the apple logo when booting up? 20.36.57 Part tinodeleste 20.37.31 # yes 20.37.40 # :) 20.37.42 # the ipods always do that when actually booting 20.38.04 # i think the only way to actually turn off a stock ipod is to wait 24 or 36 hours 20.39.04 # in the settings there are 2: Sleep Timer & Idle Poweroff 20.39.13 # there should be a difference 20.39.19 # what is it? 20.39.23 # sleep timer is something else 20.39.36 # i think it's for actually turning the music off while it's playing 20.39.45 # aaaaaa got it :) 20.40.02 # yeah when you want to listen while going to sleep :) 20.40.03 # Bagder: Would it make sense at this point to claim the contents of the Wiki to be GFDL (or similar) licensed? 20.40.12 # no 20.40.27 # no to who? 20.40.40 # GFDL 20.40.50 # not to me :) 20.41.00 # The thing is, the wiki contents are under _no_ license currently.. it's a huge mess, really 20.41.30 # Unless there was some disclaimer somewhere that I missed 20.41.35 # I'm afraid you can't fix this mess simply by fiat 20.41.38 # not legally, anyway 20.42.03 # it comes down to who owns the copyright on what's written there by users 20.42.28 # in the absence of any statement to the contrary, it's owned by the users who contributed it 20.42.30 # Legally, we can't even change the pages, if the copyright is owned by each owner 20.42.41 # it's a legal gray area, but I think it is legal 20.42.50 Join Febs [0] (n=40be240f@labb.contactor.se) 20.42.59 # Any lawyers around? 20.43.01 # :) 20.43.06