--- Log for 25.11.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 22 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.16 # then I don't think lots of people would use it 00.00.22 # lol 00.00.41 # i came here a long time ago and there was somekind of risk? 00.00.47 # is there? 00.00.48 # but of course there's slight risk, so keep a backup of your music 00.01.06 # Abidibs: no ipod ever has been bricked because of Rockbox 00.01.08 Join xamox [0] (n=xA@24-236-184-133.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) 00.01.16 # does rockbox run on the ipod shuffle? 00.01.19 # no 00.01.27 # hmm 00.01.32 Join moscs [0] (i=firexoc@82.101.189.31) 00.01.34 # * amiconn is a bit surprised 00.01.39 # the music might get messed up 00.01.41 # hi all 00.01.42 # Wavpack boosts, wth 00.02.01 # Abidibs: why? 00.02.02 # but if it does can i just put back the apple firmware 00.02.03 # I was thinking it didn't 00.02.08 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 00.02.19 # and the music? 00.02.30 # * Bagder stops talking 00.02.49 # kk 00.03.10 Quit xamox (Client Quit) 00.03.27 Quit funky ("leaving") 00.03.48 # hey guys I can't seem to find any screenies for color rockbox. can anyone give me some linkage? 00.04.20 # http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 00.04.24 # Abidibs: you can keep the music the way it was and use tagcache (see manual) or delete the whole itunes stuff and copy your music from the browser 00.04.44 # just remember rockbox doesn't do drm 00.04.50 # i have problem with my ipod shuffle he don't show nothing wen i plug into usb ? i was tried to upgrade firmware with software of ipod but nothinh happen :( 00.05.05 # moscs: contact Apple 00.05.17 # ? 00.05.28 # they make the thing you know 00.05.37 # this is not a generic ipod help forum 00.05.59 Quit jba (Client Quit) 00.06.48 # but i was heared about rockbox can support firmware of ipod ? 00.06.49 # Bagder i don't think i'm explaining right.Let's say that rockbox messes up and i can't turn on my ipod 00.07.03 # can i uninstall rockbox and reinstall apple software? 00.07.08 # moscs: yes, but not on the shuffle 00.07.08 # Abidibs: yes 00.07.17 # :(( 00.07.26 # no chance 00.07.31 # nope 00.07.31 # thank you guys 00.07.52 # Abidibs: worst case you didn't backup the original os and need to factory restore it (wipes all) 00.07.53 # Color screenshots: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenShots16bpp 00.07.58 # and btw i think you should really simplifie rockbox 00.08.23 # lol 00.08.24 # why? 00.08.24 # * petur thinks of some more features to add ;) 00.08.29 Join jba [0] (n=jba@postoffice.rogen.com.au) 00.08.33 # defeats the point of having rockbox 00.08.39 # jba: Other color screenshots: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenShots16bpp 00.08.51 # wow, that looks so much nicer than the crappy file browser we just managed to get up on the gigabeat port 00.09.19 # jba: well, once you get the bitmap loading and wps going, those things come automaticly 00.09.41 # Hehe, buggy bounce ;) 00.09.54 # amiconn: Yeah, should be updated to be quite honest 00.10.03 # any idea about how i do to restore my ipod ? 00.10.18 # we should punish that lame author of bounce 00.10.22 # oh wait... 00.10.33 # There are still some odds regarding to backgrounds and backdrops due to kkurbjun's change 00.10.48 # * amiconn checks who was that 00.11.08 # mosc: rockbox doesn't support shuffle. contact apple or look on the net for some help elsewhere... 00.11.18 # * amiconn hands Bagder the self-punishing toolset 00.11.24 # moscs even 00.11.25 # ;) 00.11.26 # thanks 00.11.33 # can come handy! 00.11.39 # * petur remembers to use auto-completion 00.12.50 Part n1s 00.16.04 Quit Abidibs () 00.19.21 Quit Criamos (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.20.05 Join jba_ [0] (n=jba@postoffice.rogen.com.au) 00.20.22 Join Pajama-B [0] (n=tbrn@12-216-161-27.client.mchsi.com) 00.23.21 # z0de: I think I know what might be contributing to your skipping,. 00.23.36 # besides the fact you are on a ipod 5g with a large screen and all 00.23.51 # He's on a x5 00.23.55 # do you have dir cache enabled? 00.24.05 # take that back, that might not do a dang thing for skipping. 00.24.34 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 00.26.26 # ahh, I mixed up z0de and xamox's lines. 00.27.51 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.36.45) 00.28.17 Part moscs 00.29.17 # so no help for me :( 00.35.06 Quit mirak (Operation timed out) 00.41.12 Quit jba (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.43.06 Join cool2bdave [0] (i=542dd313@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.44.55 # Hi all, I was hoping I could get some help with my Iaudio X5 00.46.34 # whats up? 00.46.36 # The joystick button when pushed to the right seems to produce a kepress for the record, play, select or the right joystick button 00.46.57 # I can confirm this when I look at the io ports 00.47.15 # I have only had it for a week and it is not getting much better 00.47.49 # The origional firmware produces an invalid keypress very occasionally 00.48.55 # remove rockbox and take it back to the shop? 00.49.29 # The problem is the origional does it so occasionally that they may not believe it is an issue 00.49.30 Nick jba_ is now known as jba (n=jba@postoffice.rogen.com.au) 00.50.03 # Rockbox is much more sensitive than the origional 00.51.11 # The shop does refund for a week, maybe I will just ask for a refund and buy a new one elsewhere 00.52.12 # I'd just explain it to them. If they don't trust you you can still ask the refund. Make sure you remove rockbox completely 00.52.35 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.194.208) 00.53.11 # That is true, I will do that. Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it 00.55.00 # rrrrr 00.55.39 # gui_scrollbar_draw() has a bug when handling large values that I fixed in the old scrollbar() ages ago 00.58.10 Quit alberink (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.00.14 # Hmm, the fix was in fact ported, but doesn't work due to porter silliness 01.02.56 Join alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 01.02.59 # Seems it was my silliness after all, looking at version 1.7 ... 01.05.24 # rasher: the problem with the slow list scrolling is the font caching used for fonts bigger than the font buffer. 01.05.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.09.54 Quit cool2bdave ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.11.31 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.13.05 Part patrickvox 01.14.36 # markun: could you prevent this by removing unused symbols from the font file to make it smaller? 01.15.14 # petur: Mixed results. Vorbis: slight slowdown (29%->30% boost), AC3: slight speedup (23%->22% boost), Wavpack: significant speedup (39%->31% boost) 01.15.34 # Musepack and mp3 (320kbps) don't boost at all with both 01.15.46 # so not too bad 01.16.27 Quit gromit` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.17.16 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 01.17.58 # is this scroll stuff related to my problem? 01.18.00 # * amiconn should try gcc 4.1.1 01.19.47 # Anyone go out for the sales today? 01.20.01 # what sales? 01.20.45 Quit ender` (" It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is inter) 01.21.14 # Sorry, wrong channel. I don't think any Rockbox players were on sale today. 01.21.49 # nope... rockbox is free :) 01.22.46 # The only commonly available platform is the iPods and they're never on sale 01.23.51 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.23.57 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p549848AD.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.26.59 # though Target was giving $35 gift cards with the purchace of 30gig 5.5Gs 01.27.11 # as close to a sale as you are going to get. 01.27.29 # and Sansa's were on deep discount at Best Buy. 01.34.13 # what gcc/uclibc is used to build rockbox on the ipod? 01.34.39 # would using a newer version of either be beneficial if I compiled my own? 01.34.50 # I already have a cross compile environment set up on gentoo 01.35.26 Join sekondchakra [0] (n=stan@66-214-128-18.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com) 01.35.55 # help! why is my 1st gen ipod "dead" after installing rockbox?? 01.36.48 # it won't display...it won't boot...god, i hope it's not a paperweight now!! 01.37.03 # what exactly is it doing? 01.37.22 # exactly? nothing. literally. 01.37.35 # (1) You cannot brick an ipod by installing rockbox. (2) I wonder what version you did install 01.37.42 # 1stgen 01.37.46 # There is no 1st gen version 01.38.04 # it worked for about 10 minutes today...then i got a low battery indicator (it was fully charged though...) 01.38.14 # now it's--as you say--a brick! 01.38.15 # "iPod 4th gen (grayscale and color), 5th gen (Video), 1st gen Nano and Mini 1st/2nd gen" 01.38.27 # ah...it's a "mini" 1st gen 01.38.31 # ok 01.38.32 # sorry.... 01.38.46 # no problem, panic is understandable.. 01.38.51 # lol 01.39.07 # even menu/select isn't working.... 01.39.25 # it's plugged in to the charger now...and no charging display either 01.39.45 # Let it charge a bit, then try resetting again 01.40.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot#Recovering_from_a_crash 01.40.12 # why would rockbox completely discharge it in 10 minutes...?? 01.41.30 # depends what it was doing at the time, if it tried to build the tag cache then it would go flat pretty sharpish 01.41.51 # other than that I have no idea 01.41.54 # i think it WAS doing that.... 01.42.01 # ah ok 01.42.05 # but, gawd, 10 minutes??? 01.42.11 # best to use USB power when doing that 01.42.29 # don't forget the battery drain while installing, also. 01.42.32 # i originally did it that way... 01.42.58 # i was having a HELL of a time trying to get the album/artist/song display to work, too..... 01.43.05 # only got that working ONCE... 01.43.16 # n00b!! 01.43.19 # rockbox does not draw as much power over USB as Apple's Firmware does, so in many cases you drain more power than you gain if playing music / building tagcache while plugged into USB. 01.43.46 # I doubt that applies to the minis though 01.44.01 # The microdrive consumes much less power than a 1.8" hd 01.44.32 # what's the secret to actually getting MUSIC to play?! LOL! I only seemed to be able to get file and a billion option displays... 01.45.15 # yah, I always forget that the mini used MDs. 01.45.30 # "MD's"? 01.46.05 Join webguest97 [0] (i=4122eaf5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 01.46.13 # microdrives, little CF sized hard drives.. 01.46.19 # ah... 01.46.24 # ok....i just got it to reboot! 01.46.45 # now, help me make it play somthing! LOL! 01.46.56 # (it's still plugged in to the charger...) 01.47.34 # it boots into the File Browser, just like windows explorer you can navigate up and down the file tree and select music to play. 01.47.40 # i seem to have two choices of screens to start with: 01.47.58 # calendar / contacts / data files / etc 01.48.01 # 2) 01.48.04 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.220.142) 01.48.05 # the file tree 01.48.16 # Recent bookmarks / sound settings / etc 01.48.20 # the menu 01.48.31 # how do i browse / play music?? 01.48.35 # sekondchakra: if you keep using itunes, you must use tagcache 01.48.39 Quit obo ("bye") 01.48.54 # yeah, i ran that tagcache thingie.... 01.49.14 # how can i tell if it's been built? 01.49.14 # from the file tree you move deeper into the path with the center button, and back out of a path with the <<| button 01.49.29 # general settings -> file view -> show files -> ID3 database 01.49.34 # sekondchakra: the manual is excellent on this. 01.50.41 # the manual won't hold my hand like this...! ;-) 01.51.02 # ok. i just did the settings > file view > show files > id3 database... 01.51.06 Quit webguest97 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.51.13 # now what? 01.52.18 # try playing a file by browsing the tag cache 01.53.03 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.53.35 # THAT's the part i'm struggling with...! how do i get the tag cache to display?? 01.54.50 # ah crap! I've got weird al yankovic playing...but I'm not sure what I did!! LOL! 01.56.02 # good. enjoy the music and now rtfm ;) 01.56.15 # so, how do you go BACK to the tag cache to browse for another song??!? 01.56.21 # menu button 01.56.22 # (grrrrrrrr....) 01.56.48 # menu swaps between the "menu" and the now playing screen/file browser 01.57.11 # and the tag cache browser 01.57.29 # I think to get to the tag cache browser from the now playing screen you press select 01.57.30 # yeah...but back at the 'menu' i don't see a tag cache option.... 01.57.51 # go to the now playing screen and press select 01.58.08 # yes!! I just fingered that out...! 01.58.25 # :) 01.58.28 # * petur is happy with all those buttons on his h340 :p 01.58.37 # but it only goes back to the album level.... 01.59.01 # ah.... the << button takes me back one add'l level.... 01.59.02 # uh, then you need to use the forward and back buttons to navigate 'levels' 01.59.12 # haha 01.59.19 # ok.... thanks for getting me out of that dark, scary, rockbox place!! 01.59.23 # ;-) 01.59.32 # * Genre9mp3 hides his buttons from iPod users :P 02.00.01 # does rockbox have a volume limitation on it like is native to ipods? 02.00.12 # no 02.00.55 # coooooool.... on my XP box I had to run some kind of ipod volume delimiter to get it loud enough to play in the car.... 02.01.08 # "euPod Pro" 02.02.22 # is there a way for me to ask the 'pod what kind of battery it has (capacity)? 02.03.11 # there's a battery capacity setting...I don't remember what i put in there (it's a replacement batt) 02.04.01 Quit Pajama-B (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.04.44 # it's under 'general settings' 02.04.47 # i think anyway 02.04.50 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 02.05.01 # but it's just to set the capacity 02.05.08 # for runtime estimations 02.05.13 # I usually use the smallest capactiy avaliable 02.05.13 # which are off regardless 02.05.18 # no--i found the setting...i don't know what the capacity of that batt is so i can set it properly.... 02.05.38 # is there a way to query it? "Hey, Mr. Battery! What's your capacity?!"? 02.05.39 # doesn't rockbox now estimate battery status by the cells voltage? 02.05.55 # sekondchakra: there is a wiki page on ipod hardware, if it doesn't mention battery capacity I bet the ipodlinux wiki does. 02.06.33 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 02.06.58 # yeah...but it's a replacement battery... (higher capacity than the factory one, i think...) 02.06.59 # the lipoly batteries in DAPs are two wire batteries w/o the ability to query. 02.07.22 # maybe i can find the receipt.... 02.08.17 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.220.142) 02.13.53 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.193.16) 02.15.32 # can you use gcc 4.1.* to build rockbox correctly for an arm platform yet (ipod 5th gen)? 02.17.18 # hey, does rockbox play ogg files?? 02.17.34 # yup 02.17.55 # oh....KEWL!!! 02.18.01 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 02.18.24 # yeah, it play a lot of formats/codecs 02.18.33 # I've been dancin' with The Penguin for a couple of months...(tryin' to wean myself off of Bill Gates teat...) 02.18.46 # Especially before Vista arrives.... 02.18.52 # {bleah...} 02.19.06 # I've been using Gentoo linux since 2004.3 02.19.20 # if I can rip into oggies, that'll be cool.... 02.19.44 # I keep my music collection on my computer in FLAC and transcode it to LAME variable bit rate MP3s for the ipod 02.20.02 Quit secleinteer (Connection timed out) 02.20.21 # cool... how do you transcode it? 02.20.53 # ooops. why did my rockbox just drop out of playing and go to a boot loader screen??? 02.22.03 # not a clue sorry 02.22.14 # yikes. that's scary.... 02.22.47 # um I use amarok to manage my music and use it with the transkode script to transcode it when I copy ot my ipo 02.22.49 # d 02.23.20 # now the little critter won't stay OFF.... 02.23.49 # and it won't do anything but display the bootlader screen.... 02.24.05 # it's looping? 02.24.24 # is that what you'd call it? 02.24.46 # I don't know--I try and turn it off (by holding down the > button, and it just reboots... 02.24.56 # well it fails and reboots and then fails and reboots and then fails and reboots? 02.25.14 # now it's back to the tagcache screen....! 02.25.36 # yep...it reboots as soon as it shuts down... 02.25.45 # poor, haunted little thing...! 02.26.03 # has it become the undead?! 02.26.18 # do i have to drive a tiny little stake through it's tiny little heart?? 02.27.15 # ok...now it's playing a song again... (feel free to sing along).... 02.28.04 # rockbox is always fun, even when it's not working 02.28.11 # NOW ITS BACK TO THE APPLE MENU!!! 02.28.19 # WTF?!? 02.28.43 # you can boot into the apple firmware by holding down menu as it boots 02.28.52 # I'm guessing that's what you did 02.28.54 # really? 02.28.57 # that's good to know... 02.29.04 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.29.20 # yeah, essential if you want to play videos on an ipod video 02.29.38 # any hints on how to get it to shut off while in rockbox mode?? 02.29.49 # am i holding something down too long? 02.30.20 # well you should be able to just hold select and menu and it will boot back into rockbox when it restarts 02.30.55 # yeah, that works fine... but I can't turn it OFF. As soon as I do...it reboots.... 02.31.20 Quit Psiuyo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.31.22 # so you hold play while in rockbox to turn it off an it reboots? 02.31.29 # "shutting down".... then I get the apple logo and I'm back to the tagcache display... 02.31.41 # yes. exactly. 02.32.11 # whassup with THAT? 02.33.17 # to be honest I have no idea 02.33.25 # that's never happened to me 02.33.45 # is it still on the charger? I think I read something about it but don't have an ipod 02.34.06 # it IS still on the charger.... 02.34.19 # could there be a system setting I don't know about...? 02.34.20 Join |AhIoRoS|_ [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 02.34.26 Part Wett 02.34.50 # like "idle poweroff" or something?? 02.36.09 # sekondchakra: The ipod won't poweroff as long as it is connected to the charger 02.37.00 # it won't? that's good to know! any idea of why it works that way?? 02.37.27 # Ask apple... 02.37.46 # lol. ok. i think i have Steve's number here somewhere... 02.37.49 # lol 02.37.51 # I wonder what kind of charger you have... 02.38.03 # it's the white cube thingie.... 02.38.05 # Guess it's firewire 02.38.11 # ...or uses the same pins 02.38.27 # 'bout 2 inches square... 02.38.42 # If it were connected to the usb power pins, rockbox would think usb is connected and reboot into diskmode 02.38.48 # yeah...it's got the firewire female jack on it... 02.39.05 # it reboots into tag cache tho... 02.39.13 # Rockbox doesn't detect firewire (yet), so it just ignores that charger 02.39.40 # That's why rockbox tries to shutdown when holding play, but since the hardware can't be shut down with the charger connected, it reboots 02.39.57 # shouldn't it still charge if he holds down menu when it goes on the charger? 02.40.34 # He doesn't need to hold Menu, since rockbox doesn't mistake this charger for usb 02.40.49 Quit anathema (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.41.16 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.41.22 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Nick collision from services.) 02.41.22 # Rockbox doesn't notice this charger at all 02.41.33 Nick |AhIoRoS|_ is now known as |AhIoRoS| (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 02.41.38 # ...but of course the charger will charge, as charging is hardware controlled 02.41.40 # and it WILL charge ok in this (rockbox) mode? 02.41.53 # ah...you anticipated my Q! 02.42.11 # will it charge if I'm playing tunes while plugged into charger? 02.42.24 Quit TeaSeaLancs (No route to host) 02.42.38 # and can i expect more or less play time with rockbox? 02.42.59 # less, definately less, probably about 20% less 02.43.24 # well atleast that's what I get 02.44.11 # god...it just rebooted inself again.... 02.44.14 # itself 02.44.38 # it was just sitting there...i wasn't playing anything or even touching it... 02.44.55 # I already explained why that happens... 02.45.01 # you did???! 02.45.09 # You still have that charger connected, don't you? 02.45.11 # yes.... 02.45.19 # how else can i charge it?!?! 02.45.41 # You say it was just sitting there.... and I explained that rockbox doesn't notice the firewire charger... 02.45.49 # yeah.... 02.46.06 # so it turned itself off... 02.46.10 # ...so rockbox wanted to shutdown (idle poweroff), which in turn causes a reboot because of the charger 02.46.19 # yeah...that's what i was gonna say... 02.46.20 # gotcha. 02.46.35 # so I have to unplug it....turn it off...then plug it back in?? 02.46.47 # or turn off idle poweroff? 02.47.11 # Yes, but then don't forget to shutdwon when you want it to shutdown 02.47.51 # i almost NEVER forget to turn it off when I'm done listening...so i guess i should turn off the idle poweroff... 02.48.26 # will rockbox let you know when it's fully charged?? 02.52.23 # does a battery numeric display of "100" mean that it's at the battery level I set in battery capacity? 02.52.51 # I shouldn't think so, rockbox has nothing to do with the charger 02.53.13 # but rockbox has a battery display... what is that displaying? 02.53.14 # I think that the battery display for the ipod is actually based on the voltage curve of the battery 02.53.30 # but if i select the numeric display....? 02.53.34 # a fully charged batter will show about 4.2v 02.53.47 # a fully discharged battery will show 3.7v 02.54.14 # but i have a "100" showing! 02.54.30 # then your battery is probably at 4.2v 02.55.07 # it was a "full" battery icon--and when i changed it to numeric it changed to "100" 02.55.20 # either that or the charger has caused the battery estimation to become very confused 02.55.26 # it means 100% charged 02.56.51 # i'll have to watch it... 02.57.42 # it might be easier just to charge it in the apple firmware 02.58.04 # i was thinking along those lines.... 02.58.13 # I use the apple firmware for file transfers as its a lot faster 02.58.26 # THATS good to know, too.... 02.58.33 # so you only use rocky for playback...? 02.58.37 # yup 03.01.58 # ok... bonnie rait has been playing for 3 or 4 minutes and my battery number now says "97" 03.04.46 # is it easy to load new fonts and/or themes into rockbox 03.04.47 # ? 03.05.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.05.47 # yeah 03.05.55 # you just download the fonts package 03.06.14 # and some themes come with the extra fonts needed if they are not in the package 03.06.20 # personally I use the ipodvision theme 03.09.16 # can i download em from the rockbox site? 03.09.21 # and how do i install em? 03.09.23 # yup 03.09.31 # just unzip them in the correct place 03.09.50 # and "the correct place" is....? 03.10.00 # is it in the ./rockbox folder?? 03.10.56 # OK. I got it turned off (finally)... 03.11.24 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.11.48 # well the fonts package can usually just be unzipped directly in the ipod root folder in the same way that the rockbox builds can be 03.12.03 # but I think that most themes need to be unzipped in the .rockbox folder 03.12.14 # it won't connect to my computer while in rockbox mode? 03.13.00 # it will via usb 03.13.04 # but not via firewire 03.13.10 # ah..... 03.13.11 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-193-99.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 03.17.17 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 03.20.45 # hey, is there a consensus on what the best non-apple ipod-like player is....? 03.20.56 # i'd love to have something that plays ogg's native... 03.22.22 # iAudio X5 03.22.25 # probably 03.22.28 # I don't really know 03.22.33 # but that's what I would like 03.23.08 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 03.24.15 Quit RoC_MM (Client Quit) 03.24.35 # you know...i think that's the exact one i spotted on amazon.... 03.29.41 # thanks to everyone who held my hand today... i would NOT have made as much progress as i did...! 03.29.45 # :-D 03.32.26 Quit sekondchakra ("Leaving") 03.35.28 # no problem 03.38.25 Join sekondchakra [0] (n=stan@66-214-128-18.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com) 03.38.49 Part sekondchakra ("Leaving") 03.44.36 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.45.14 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7C7D.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.03.51 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 04.09.11 Part pixelma 04.23.32 Join daurnimator [0] (n=fake@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 04.33.07 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 04.50.24 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 04.52.28 Quit jba (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.53.15 Quit RoC_MM (Client Quit) 04.56.30 Join fD`SujC [0] (n=bigspamm@adsl-75-16-40-124.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) 04.56.42 # can someone please help me? 04.57.04 Quit fD`SujC (Client Quit) 05.05.40 # i found a bit of a flaw with the pause on headphone unplug and play on replug combined with car mode 05.05.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.05.52 # they aren't self aware or aware of each other 05.06.02 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 05.06.15 # it's not a major flaw, but it took me by surprise earlier, heh 05.07.01 Quit pagefault (Client Quit) 05.07.08 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 05.09.07 # pretty quiet in here 05.13.05 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1642D.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.22.40 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.vidao2.com") 05.31.12 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.33.31 Quit [g2] ("Leaving") 05.36.11 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 05.39.52 # Good morning Dan 05.39.53 # ! 05.40.02 # And all others to! 05.40.12 Join CathodeRayTube [0] (n=nunyabus@207.42.243.16) 05.44.59 Part CathodeRayTube 05.50.02 Quit Landus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.59.53 # Gnelik: would you please send me your latest fwfor sansa so i could find motivation to retry to compile ? 06.02.30 # habana: sory but my internet chanel speed is very low 06.02.50 # it will send fw for a half a day 06.04.08 # Gnelik: ok, dont waste your connexion.i continue to try to correct during the week end :) 06.04.45 # latest one was so promising !!! 06.05.47 # time for me to go count sheeps, bye 06.06.11 Quit vadim_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.06.19 Quit habana ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.09.54 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.11.04 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-67-64-112-116.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 06.11.36 Quit telliott_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.16.47 Nick scorche is now known as squisch (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 06.26.10 Quit tychver ("Leaving") 06.26.58 Join tychver [0] (n=tychver@202-154-152-123.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) 06.45.28 Join hab [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a1f35ee81f198a51) 06.46.56 # zip warning: name not matched: PP5022.mi4 06.54.07 Quit pagefault (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.57.40 Join amattas [0] (n=tony@adsl-69-209-112-152.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 06.58.23 # Is there any builds, daily or unsupported that will work on the 2G nano? 06.58.56 # no 06.59.41 # the 2G nano has significantly different hardware than the 1G nano 06.59.50 # it's pretty much porting to a whole new player 07.00.31 # was the 5G in the same boat originally, or is this the first time apple really has done this? 07.02.20 # the 5G isn't that much different from the 4G essentially, they use the same CPU 07.02.35 # with the 2G nano apple has changed pretty much everything 07.03.27 # tychver: they dont...same brand and type, but not same cpu 07.04.20 # my apologies :$ 07.05.34 # but, yes...the new nano is more different than any other ipod 07.05.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.07.43 # so I'm assuming the CPU has completely different system calls, etc? 07.08.34 # well, it is still ARM 07.08.44 # but it isnt just the CPU that is the issue 07.09.05 # lets just say that it will be a while before we will see rockbox on that device ;) 07.09.28 # rockbox for 07.09.31 # Wii! 07.09.53 # shoo 07.11.14 # that's almost as bad as rockbox on a PS3 07.12.49 # btw does ipodlinux support the 2nd core on the ipod 5th generation? 07.13.01 # ask them 07.20.17 Quit amattas ("Leaving") 07.27.50 Quit hab ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.39.48 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202.89.153.107) 07.47.15 # they don't seem to mention doing so on their website so I take it they don't 07.47.24 # who is Daniel? 07.47.34 # of daniel.haxx.se 07.47.47 # * BHSPitMonkey guesses Bagder 07.47.56 # correct 07.51.43 # weird 07.51.54 # I saw his site referenced in an argument earlier, in a completely unrelated channel 07.52.08 # worlds cross over so often here on IRC 07.53.03 # ehat was it about? 07.53.07 # curl? 08.00.17 Quit dj-fu ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 08.19.43 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 08.29.53 Join ptw419 [0] (i=ptw419@66-90-180-190.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 08.47.21 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 09.05.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.52.31 # * Bagder has his fingers in many projects 09.53.37 # of course! 09.53.53 # toes too IIRC 09.53.59 # ;-) 09.54.22 # zagor got a follow-up letter regarding the Tetris issue 09.54.28 # oh? 09.54.29 # do tell 09.54.32 # from the swedish law firm that wrote him before 09.55.00 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 09.55.46 # nothing new, just a sign that they haven't yet completely dropped the subject 09.56.30 # but their subject doesnt even apply, as we changed the name, correct? 09.56.45 # yeah, but they claim "copyright" of the actual game play too 09.56.55 # oh wow... 09.56.57 # which is complete bogus 09.57.31 # well, in that case, they have enough people to go after to last them a looong time 09.59.00 # yes indeed 09.59.17 # but I guess this firm just sucks Tetris LLC for money as much as they can and then they have to do something for it 09.59.31 # sounds like it 09.59.40 # so they mail weirdly put mails trying to threat us 10.00.11 # people these days... 10.00.17 Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 10.03.00 # http://giant.haxx.se/~bjst/tetris/ 10.03.38 # wow...how do you know what will happen in 2009? 10.04.00 # magic powers! 10.08.04 # well, at least they acknowledged that we changed the name =) 10.09.08 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 10.10.07 # I honestly believe their idea is a kind of scam 10.10.19 # they threat us and hope we will sign the form 10.10.26 # as then it'd be a contract we'd need to follow 10.11.37 # of course 10.12.04 # that is how those companies work...unless they have the backing like microsoft does to actually go after someone 10.12.26 # among other things... 10.16.19 # Bagder: Nevermind that you could sign that paper, and someone else could take over hosting rockbox.org. 10.16.20 # so you know 10.16.24 # it was about the history of IRC 10.16.31 # rasher: very true 10.16.46 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.bredband.comhem.se) 10.17.18 # Of course that'd be absolutely stupid, but it just shows how much they don't Get It 10.17.50 # it is absolutely stupid anyway 10.18.22 # Yeah, but that form really doesn't say much. 10.18.41 # I'd have expected it to basically be a "I ow you one hundred million dollars" contract. 10.19.10 # It mostly just says "stop calling it tetrox and stop infringing on our precious copyright!" 10.26.53 Join webguest13 [0] (i=5873b21c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 10.29.30 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 10.35.48 # rasher: Did your Tagcache->Database patch face resistance or why wasn't it committed? 10.37.50 # I just think noone said "Go!" 10.37.55 # Go! 10.38.22 # I'll see if it's still up to date 10.38.35 # * Bagder says Go too 10.39.06 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 10.39.14 # Do I need to take special care when editing english.lang? 10.39.35 # I don't think so. Just don't change any IDs 10.39.51 # I didn't 10.40.03 # Right, here we go I guess 10.40.20 # * Bagder embraces and prepares for impact 10.40.27 # Hrm, let me just check the diff once more to make sure I didn't do anything stupid 10.41.47 # Bagder: rockbox runs on my gigabeat! Still a lot to be fixed, but really nice already 10.41.58 # gongrats 10.41.58 # grrrreat! 10.42.05 # No sound of course 10.42.05 # congrats even 10.42.12 # time to add sansa and gigabeats dailies soon 10.42.53 # Bagder: we have our own cvs server, but after some cleanup we I will port it back to the main tree. 10.42.54 # Now I'm sure I left some bits out. If you spot any tag cache bits, particularly in the manual, go for the kill. 10.43.05 # sure 10.43.11 # markun: cool 10.43.44 Join Wett [0] (n=Wett@d02m-89-83-202-67.d4.club-internet.fr) 10.43.48 # * petur notices the rockblox follow-up happened 2009-09-29 :) 10.44.11 # we are the future, didn't you know? 10.44.26 # not that much, no? :p 10.44.33 # * squisch notices that petur didnt see that i already commented on that 10.44.53 # I intend to commit the blackjack game in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5664 later today. Any objections? 10.45.27 # * petur just woke up 10.45.47 # n1s: I like the idea of the font loading failed splash 10.45.49 Join bluebrother [0] (i=YbmsP6CN@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.45.52 # and being not a coffee drinker, it will take till noon to boot my brain 10.46.19 # bbl 10.46.19 # bluebrother: Keep an eye open for tag cache references in the manual, I just renamed it to Database 10.46.22 # rasher: thx, any ideas on making it nicer maybe? 10.48.59 # n1s: Looks fine. Negative numbers are usually used for errors in Rockbox, but other than that 10.49.27 # ok 10.49.50 # squisch: New nick, eh? 10.50.21 # amiconn: for the moment...going undercover..shhh or you will expose me! 10.50.50 # we're sending squisch over to the Tetris camp, this is his new name 10.50.59 # * Bagder grins 10.51.02 # Is there no link to rockbox.org/tracker/ (front page, that is) from the page showing a specific task, or am I simply blind? 10.52.03 # Oops, forgot to mention in the commit message that people will have to rebuild their database 10.52.33 # (since I changed the name of the files on disk) 10.52.54 # * squisch becomes brainwashed by the music 10.53.46 # C&D rockbox.... 10.57.28 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@p54BD34B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.57.28 # * rasher awaits a rush of "It says Database not ready!" 10.59.43 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.00.07 # pixelma: Are you happy with the changes to the Blackjack plugin? I see you discussed it with the author 11.01.28 # I didn't try the latest version so far but looked at the preview he posted... it was definitely nicer 11.03.42 # Now I'm struggling with finding and changing all references to "tag cache" in the wiki 11.03.46 # This'll take some time 11.04.35 # what about the question he aroused with renaming the soliaire_*.bmp references to card_*.bmp? 11.05.22 # renaming files too of course ;) 11.05.41 # I'd say that can be done later (SVN!) 11.05.55 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 11.05.56 # (not that it matters much for binary files) 11.06.54 # yes... but it could help someone who wants to port another card game using the same deck 11.08.14 # I'm all for renaming them, seems the only sensible thing to do 11.08.20 Join leftright [0] (n=leftrigh@p549963E9.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.08.52 # I'll do that as well 11.09.07 # rasher, section 4 of the H12/140 online manual refers to tag cache 11.09.58 # Doesn't rename effectively put the old file into the Attic? 11.10.15 # chapater 4.2 to be precise 11.10.19 # If so, it wouldn't be wise to do it in cvs, as those binary files are rather large 11.10.30 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 11.11.01 Join tucoz [0] (i=50ca667d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 11.11.04 # yo! 11.11.11 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@82.227.240.106) 11.11.11 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.11.23 # svn...... 11.11.29 # err, from 4.2 until 4.2.4 mentions Tag Cache 11.11.50 # leftright on the site? 11.11.58 # leftright: Thanks 11.12.02 # yes the online manual 11.12.09 # That's not rebuilt 11.12.24 # Only once a day 11.13.05 # Now, what to call the TagCache wikipage.. 11.13.25 Quit JdGordon (Client Quit) 11.13.30 # TagDatabase? 11.13.38 # Yeah 11.13.41 # Sounds good 11.14.04 # I've left a mention of TagCache on the page, to aid searchers 11.14.26 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.14.59 # Or maybe just DataBase 11.15.18 # Ah, I'm not allowed to move the page 11.15.33 # not just database please =) 11.15.43 # MusicDatabase 11.15.56 # It's not only music 11.16.06 # Ah, how nice. Fileview -> Database :) 11.16.11 # much better 11.16.35 # It was really silly how you had to enable "tag cache", and then change view to "ID3 Database" :\ 11.16.51 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 11.17.01 # I thought that tag cache only indexed music files, guess i'm wrong 11.17.18 # rasher: hehe. yeah 11.17.19 # Well, you can have audiobooks, sound effects 11.17.25 # tagcache is now dead... long live datavase... 11.17.30 # database 11.17.44 # AudioDatabase possibly? 11.17.48 # yes tag cache -> ID3 database wasn't very intuitive 11.18.23 # squisch: I like that better than Tag 11.18.27 # I liked the name... by this is just me.. 11.18.37 # by = but 11.18.41 # But anyway, I'm not allowed to move the page, so that's irrelevant 11.18.43 # (just woke up) 11.18.48 # database is good, better than tag cache 11.19.05 # I'll get used to it I guess 11.19.14 # AuralDatabase ;) 11.19.29 # ; indeed 11.19.35 # Datavase was kinda cool :) 11.20.29 # OralDatabase, does Aural exist ? 11.20.51 # oral?...different sense there 11.20.53 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 11.20.59 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 11.21.05 # well, oral isnt even a sense 11.21.11 # amiconn: hmm, just wondering if it would be possible to put VBR in ram even when we execute from flash 11.21.33 # amiconn: Does this make sense: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RomBox#Build_your_own - the bit about disabling tagcache? 11.21.40 # Slasheri: We do that on archos 11.21.41 # leftright: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/aural 11.21.54 # ) 11.22.04 # amiconn: ah, nice! then that would make things much more simple 11.22.06 # Otherwise it wouldn't be possible to "steal" vectors from within plugins 11.22.12 # jhMikeS: heh... don't ever let me name things when I wake up :) 11.22.13 # probably crt0 needs to be modified somehow 11.22.30 # rasher: heh...i just put that together quickly after the patch and was meaning to clarify if it needed to be 11.22.45 # I know this is rather hackish, but we need that in wavplay and alpine_cdc 11.23.16 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 11.23.20 # squisch: Tagcache (still the internal name) isn't built on archos is it? 11.23.23 # (anymore) 11.23.26 # it is 11.23.31 # i only added the define 11.23.37 # so then there wouldn't be the restriction that rom image needs to be placed excactly at the 1MB boundary 11.23.51 # as commenting that out in the build is not a wanted thing 11.24.11 # s/build/cvs version 11.24.27 # so TC is now still tagcache throughout the code by database in public? 11.24.35 # JdGordon: Correct 11.25.15 # I don't think that's a problem, "database" is too ambiguous when talking code, but just right for the UI 11.25.38 # Slasheri: Check how rom.lds handles it. Vectors are part of the datacopy, so crt0.S copies them into RAM 11.25.47 # database is nice, tagdatabase sounds like the old tagdb.. 11.26.37 # And tagdatabase would be imprecise, as it does not just store tags 11.26.51 # amiconn: but in iriver crt0 there is move.l #vectors,%d0 movec.l %d0,%vbr 11.27.03 # so that sets the flash address only? 11.27.31 # having just database seems too ambiguous to me though 11.28.31 # I don't see it. What else would it be a database of, if not the sound files? 11.28.59 # Slasheri: No, why? 11.29.00 # rasher: runtime stats for example 11.29.10 # ah, hmm :) 11.29.12 # database is just fine for opd users 11.29.20 # opd=ipod 11.29.21 # Slasheri: Do users really think about that? 11.29.31 # Most users, anyway 11.29.45 # And if they do, they'll be smart enough to Get It, I assume 11.29.58 # i think users would be more inclined to just not know what this database thing could be 11.30.10 # rasher: dont overestimate them ;) 11.30.18 # precisely 11.30.29 # and users like catchy names... 11.30.53 # squisch: I mean, if a user is smart enough to think about where runtime stats are stored, I would expect them to also be smart enough to guess a bit 11.31.08 # Archos 202 uses database 11.31.12 # what i am saying has nothing to do with runtime stats 11.31.47 # gcc 4.1.1 + binutils 2.17 for m68k don't have that build problem on cygwin anymore 11.32.07 # Probably also applies to osx and interix 11.32.18 # leftright: just database, or does it have an accompying icon? 11.32.33 # it has an icon 11.32.46 # morning guys 11.33.20 # how about allowing the database view to browse the filetree and restrict the filetypes to a couple of defined extensions? 11.33.28 # aye...so it has something else to identify it by as "database" is very ambiguous 11.33.42 # squisch: I say we give it a wait-see 11.34.00 # I really don't think it's any kind of problem 11.34.28 # i dont either...i just like to get things done the first time and not have to go through multiple changes if possible 11.34.56 # * jhMikeS remembers naming discussed at length about a month ago. guess no consensus. 11.35.07 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-67-64-112-116.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 11.35.15 # Is it possible to exclude directories when using dircache? I am mainly thinking of the hvsc collection. 11.35.19 # Consensus is a dream when this many people are discussing something so subjective 11.35.22 # jhMikeS: is there ever one? =P 11.35.24 # Bah, libssp :( 11.35.40 # I think the best we can hope for is "no one left the project as a result" 11.35.40 # Last time i tried, dircache didn't work when i had that dir on the player. 11.36.26 # tucoz: i dont believe so, but we have Slasheri around to confirm 11.36.53 # that feature is not implemented yet.. 11.37.07 # Ok,. thanks 11.37.13 # with hvsc+dircache bootup on my h300 takes about 10 seconds longer :-) 11.37.15 # with dircache it would be a really problem how to exclude something 11.37.49 # still it would be a nice feature. to exclude random junk that i keep on the player for instance. 11.38.00 # we could just simply exclude some directory completely, but then rockbox would think such a directory would not even exist 11.38.08 # aha 11.38.44 # so you could no longer access hvsc inside rockbox, and that might not be a good thing 11.38.59 # What was the problem with hvsc? 11.39.10 # i understand. 11.39.10 # Thousands of thousands of files 11.39.11 # could throw small files with a certain name with directives in each directory that needs special handling 11.39.15 # or then it would be necessary for dircache to know what dirs are cached and which are not 11.39.54 # Why would a dir with many files make dircache fail? 11.39.59 # jhMikeS: i am not a fan of "littering" directories with files 11.40.04 # That sounds like a bug 11.40.13 # Who's the author of the "Itunes db to tagcache" tool? 11.40.37 # dircache should not "fail" but it might hit the hard coded memory limit 11.40.55 # so after that dircache is automatically disabled 11.41.09 # rasher: hcs i think...not sure 11.41.21 # squisch: wouldn't be my first choice either unless it's really needed or offers some substantial benefit. 11.42.28 # rasher: yes...it looks like him from http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060927.txt 11.42.30 # squisch: You're right 11.42.50 # The page was edited by AdamGashlin, which the nick reference confirms is hcs 11.43.14 # Who's the twiki admin? 11.43.38 # bagder/linusn/zagor 11.43.50 # Let's see if one of them shows up 11.44.14 # i think Bagder is active...at least he was a little bit ago 11.44.35 # hmm. i think this guy got something wrong. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7467.msg58579#msg58579 11.44.39 # I think most of what's needed now to complete the move is to move the TagCache page to some other name 11.44.57 # tucoz: hehe 11.44.58 # i wonder where it says that fwpatcher.exe is a zip file. 11.46.26 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549653E8.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.47.14 # maybe he thought it was an sfx 11.47.36 # probably 11.48.00 Join tyrion [0] (n=tyrion@skynet.skynet.ie) 11.48.17 # morning people 11.50.32 # morning 11.51.08 Nick squisch is now known as scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 11.51.42 # it's only morning in some places 11.52.17 # yup.. those places are all living in the past! 11.52.17 # news to me... 11.53.08 # is it frowned upon to reuse LANG strings (like LANG_RECORDING_SIZE) in other places because the string is what you need? It's ugly but saves on LANG and VOICE size... 11.53.39 # I don't see why. As long as you're pretty sure that the string won't change to something that no longer makes sense 11.53.49 # But I'm not authority on the subject 11.55.27 # * petur discovers identical strings: LANG_SHOW_PATH_FULL and LANG_DISPLAY_FULL_PATH 11.55.50 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp69-154.adsl.forthnet.gr) 11.56.14 # Why shouldn't lang files excluded a string if there's no matching target in the ":" bit? I know the ids (indexed) have to always be the same but it could just use a zero-length string (""). I noticed it complains if there's no target match. 11.59.05 # LANG ids should be more genericly named when they contain generic strings... 12.00.33 # petur: There's duplication of the string "Normal" too. 12.02.38 # it was my doing for the backlight on hold option :\ 12.03.38 # * petur is adding a file/dir properties screen to the browser context menu 12.04.40 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 12.05.03 # * XavierGr dances the new-feature-from-petur dance :P 12.05.08 # petur: nice. 12.05.10 Join TnadeN [0] (n=zeon_89@81-234-128-169-o824.telia.com) 12.05.18 # Hi 12.05.20 # petur, I think there's a plugin in the tracker for that 12.05.24 # i need some help 12.05.25 # I know 12.05.33 # TnadeN: what's the problem 12.06.02 # how do i forefully restrat my ipod mini (with rockbox) 12.06.10 # amiconn: if you get a chance in the next fw days,. could you please check out the rtc settings code in the menu/settins patch? I rekon thats the last thing holding it back from commit 12.06.13 # same way you do with apple os 12.06.16 # restart* 12.06.17 # menu+select 12.06.18 # n1s: I didn't like the way it was implemented, and I didn't want it in a plugin. Mine will do recursive dir info :) 12.06.24 # ... or anyone with a rtc_ram -able target 12.06.31 # thx 12.06.44 # it has forzen a lot lately 12.06.51 # like 2 times a week :S 12.06.54 # i have a maye who just Got (this week) a H320 and get me one too. His last MP3 player was a Rio Karma and he is very interested in implementing a similar filebrowsing UI. Does anyone know if anything has been done in this respect? 12.06.56 # winter is coming :) 12.06.56 # is it a 1st gen? 12.07.07 # 2:d i think 12.07.14 # JdGordon: The ata idle notify code has problems.... 12.07.20 # it does? 12.07.20 # has the harddisk size on the back 12.07.24 # petur: just wondering, is there any progress with USB OTG? 12.07.28 # tyrion: thats the stabdard rockbox interface 12.07.30 # Yes, at least on archos 12.07.44 # what sort of problems? 12.07.45 # For some reason it might fall into a loop 12.07.56 # JdGordon: no, no, that is using ID3 tags 12.08.03 # ...calling the callback every few seconds and never spinning down the disk 12.08.03 # petur: I think it was put in a plugin to save on code space, but if you make it really small.... :-) 12.08.04 # tyrion: wanna bet? 12.08.16 # * scorche notices the time and goes to sleep 12.08.30 # I have an idea how to fix that, but don't know yet whether it might work 12.08.37 # amiconn: hmm... odd.. sholdnt that behaviour be on all or none of he targets? 12.08.41 # JdGordon: well no. :) but is it not either the file browser or the Tag Cache option? 12.08.48 # yes 12.08.56 # * JdGordon may have been confused by you emsages 12.09.26 # JdGordon: It's a bit strange. I only observed it once on my recorder, however, pixelma observes it regularly on her Ondio 12.09.44 # XavierGr: not much. I got stuck with being unable to detect device connection (driver says 'waiting for v_rise'), maybe there's something about how the chargepump is connected that we don't know. Also the ID sensing is not standard so maybe we don't know everything there too. Could use a confirmation from PCB traces of VBUS and ID on the mini-usb connector 12.09.46 # does odio use ata.c? 12.10.29 # I think it happens when the thread that registered a callback re-registers before the re-triggered (due to the callbacks causing ata activity) timeout expires 12.10.31 # petur: ok, thanks 12.10.36 # JdGordon: No, ata_mmc.c 12.10.52 # I have an Ondio myself, and didn't observe such behaviour... 12.10.53 # XavierGr: and apart from that, the code is a mess :) 12.11.00 # firstly, ondio doesnt have the hdd, so whats i not spining down? 12.11.20 # amiconn: am I asking something about lang v2 that I really should know better about by now or does noone know what the heck I'm saying? 12.11.22 # If thats the reason, we can lock the register funciotn when its runnig the callbacks 12.11.53 # JdGordon: Of course there is no disk spinning, but the callbacks are called every few seconds 12.12.22 # oh, yeah i have another question. Can you set a new default configuration ( so that i dont have to swich to mine everythime i reboot/connect it to a computer? 12.12.37 # ...but they should only be called when there is other (non-callback) disk activity to (1) resemble other target's behaviour, (2) reduce flash wear and (3) save battery power 12.13.17 # JdGordon: That won't help, and the callers might fall out of callback registration altogether 12.13.37 # TIME_BEFORE(ab) means a < b ? 12.13.51 # I have an idea how this could be fixed, but I'm not sure whether it will work 12.14.09 # the default case in mmc_thread looks odd and could be the problem 12.14.33 # .. or maybe not... 12.15.49 # I don't think so 12.16.17 # But my idea might in fact work well: we need to ensure that the callbacks are only ever called once in a disk activity period 12.16.41 Quit leftright (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client") 12.16.50 # In order to be called again, the disk must have been spun down before 12.17.02 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A44F48.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.17.45 # Maybe what I am saying is completely wrong, but that reminds me how batterybench works 12.17.50 # so only call the callbcks before sleeping? not dgin idle time? 12.18.11 # This would also avoid the multiple-rebuffer-retrigger loop that might happen with the rebuffer-due-to-callback extension 12.18.41 # ..so we could even enable it for archos 12.18.46 # ..if wanted 12.19.34 # JdGordon: Not before sleeping, but after being idle for a few seconds (2..3), and then set a flag that the callbacks have been called 12.19.44 # The flag would be reset after spindown 12.20.03 # As long as the flag is set, the callbacks wouldn't be called at all 12.20.18 # so each spin the callbcks are caled maximum twice? 12.20.25 # No, once 12.20.43 # twice.. once during idle, and then before shuttind down.. no? 12.20.53 # No, why? 12.21.04 # * jhMikeS is just wondering the proper way to go about eliminating entirely unneeded strings for certain targets 12.21.22 # so your unsetting the flag aftr shutting down? 12.21.28 # yes 12.21.32 # jhMikeS: I think you use deprecated 12.22.28 # JdGordon: That works for eliminating string for say, archos that are only relevant to targets with SWCODEC and HAVE_RECORDING for instance? 12.22.42 # nope 12.22.44 # amiconn: hmm, there must be something wrong with my rom.lds because now i can't get the rom image to boot :) I have placed it at 0x100028 in flash, and reset vector starting at 0x100032 12.22.49 # YOu need to set the string to empty 12.22.53 # amiconn: i guess that would work, im not sure if it gives enough chance for callbacks to work properly... i dunno 12.23.09 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 12.23.59 # amiconn: and if someone has hard disk idle spindown off then the callbacks would onl ever be called once 12.24.00 # amiconn: not sure why it can't generate an empty string if no target matches then. would save some work. 12.24.45 Quit powr-toc ("Leaving") 12.25.15 # JdGordon: This option doesn't exist 12.25.20 # doesnt it? 12.25.25 # * JdGordon thought it did 12.25.26 # nope 12.25.43 # alrighty then 12.25.45 # You can set spindown timeout from 3 to 254 seconds 12.27.05 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-074-030-057.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.29.57 # I probably have a slightly better idea now 12.30.09 # back in 15 12.33.36 # how would I strip trailing whitespace in a file using vim? 12.34.00 # :%s/ *$// perhaps? 12.34.52 # :%s/ +$//, rather 12.36.06 # nope... 12.36.52 # too bad there's no feature oriented way to include strings like code is selected...hrm 12.37.12 # There is a patch for that made by Bagder 12.37.16 # It needs testing 12.37.55 # rasher: I think :%s/^(.*[^ ]) $/\1/ should do it 12.38.35 # really? it's up in flyspray? I can test it out since it's about time for it. 12.38.41 # Sorry, :%s/^(.*[^ ]) *$/\1/ 12.39.19 # dan_a: Are you sure? That looks a bit off to me. Won't that change "foo bar " to "foo"? 12.39.25 # jhMikeS: No, somewhere on Bagder's site 12.39.34 # I'll try to find the link... 12.39.39 # dan_a: and not match " foo" at all? 12.39.46 # http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/lang-features-2.patch 12.40.12 # Bagder: Do you have time to move a wikipage? (I don't seem to have the necessary permissions) 12.40.29 # that patch needs a features.txt file with the features 12.40.40 # rasher: sure, tagcache? 12.41.09 # Bagder: YEah, but now I'm unsure what to. There's been AudioDatabase TagDatabase DataBase RockboxDatabase 12.42.18 # i would suggest Database 12.42.31 # That's not a WikiWord though 12.42.38 # ah, hmm 12.42.38 # won't autolink 12.43.31 # Of course, we could still use it and just force people to use [[Database][Database]] 12.43.32 # rasher: I don't think so, the ".*" will include spaces (and be greedy, matching as much as it can), the [^ ] makes sure that the last character in the match isn't a space, and then outside the placemarker it matches any number of spaces 12.44.15 # dan_a: Ah right.. won't my suggestion work though? It seems rather a lot simpler 12.44.15 # I think I'd rather see it called DataBase than Database just to get it wikified 12.44.52 # DataBase is my favourite 12.45.06 # rasher: I don't see why it shouldn't but I guessed you'd tried it and it hadn't worked 12.45.46 # Ah, no. I was just guessing, n1s said it didn't work 12.45.57 # and it didn't 12.46.04 # I don't understand why it wouldn't, unless the whitespace isn't a space 12.46.09 # but maybe I did something wrong 12.46.47 # Ah, I think you need to escape the + 12.46.55 # :%s/ \+$// 12.46.57 # So you could make it :%s/[ \t]*$// 12.47.39 # That one I just said worked, just tested 12.48.33 # yes it did thanks rasher 12.49.13 # Bagder: Have you any thoughts on MrH's suggestion of rewriting the bootloader portion of crt0-pp? 12.49.43 # can't say I do, I haven't paid enough attention on those details 12.49.50 # * petur wonders if LANG_SYSFONT strings can be used in normal screens 12.50.22 # * Bagder renamed TagCache to DataBase 12.50.32 # * Bagder runs off again 12.50.41 # Excellent 12.51.00 # petur, that would be bad for translations 12.51.28 # hrrrm 12.51.53 # m68k binutils 2.17 don't like rockbox :( 12.52.12 # Assembler messages: 12.52.12 # Error: already selected `5206e' processor 12.52.12 # Error: unrecognized option -m5249 12.53.35 # I think they changed the parameter format or something 12.54.23 # Two things changed 12.54.48 # (1) m68k-elf-as wants the cpu type in the form -mcpu=5249 12.55.10 # (2) gcc already passes a cpu type to as, and the two conflict 12.58.31 # * JdGordon back 12.58.35 # hmmm...only around 750 strings including voiced only :P np 12.59.47 # Wow... it seems m68k-elf-gcc supports coldfire emac :) 13.00.13 # amiconn: Are you cool with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6358 - the filename checking patch I made? 13.00.24 # amiconn: hmm, now it says immediately I03:AddrErr.. not sure if rombox or bootloader says that 13.00.30 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 13.01.09 # (I'm a bit nervous about committing anything to something as central as fat.c) 13.01.17 # amiconn: that means it uses emac instuctions when it can when compiling normal c code I take it? 13.01.22 Join LLyric [0] (n=simon@d220-238-222-15.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.01.48 # -m[no-]mac enable/disable ColdFire architecture extension 13.01.48 # -m[no-]emac enable/disable ColdFire architecture extension 13.01.59 # This is from m68k-elf-gcc --target-help 13.03.05 # Hmm, looks like this is what m68k-elf-as tells... 13.03.09 # :confused: 13.04.20 # Bah, "warning: pointer targets in passing argument X of 'foobar' differ in signedness" 13.04.24 # Tons of those 13.05.33 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.05.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.09 # amiconn: you had a simpler idea than the lock? 13.06.11 # it's pedantic by default now? :) not suprised cause I see int/size_t mixed in pointer passing 13.06.34 Part LLyric ("Leaving") 13.06.42 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 13.06.44 # maybe that's not it...dunno 13.08.01 Join hab [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.08.57 # amiconn: i dont know how you wantle handle the unlocking in ata_mmc? ata.c is easy 13.12.59 # amiconn: something like http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdgordy/ata.patch ? 13.13.01 # there's mixing of unsigned char * and char * for string arguments. just sitting here guessing at where the most trouble would be. 13.13.02 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.13.32 Quit hab ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.14.43 # JdGordon: No, no plain lock anymore 13.15.03 # you want a more coplicated lock? 13.15.07 # A lock might indeed be a problem when there is activity that causes the disk to never spin down 13.15.46 # also stuff like shutdown and usb wont trigger the callbacks if the lock is on 13.15.49 # I think a holdoff time (that must be longer than the idle time before triggering the callbacks) will be better 13.16.10 # Of course the holdoff time wouldn't apply before usb or shutdown 13.16.37 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.16.38 # The holdoff time would automagically ensure callbacks aren't called too often 13.16.46 # I think 30 seconds would be a good value 13.17.28 # s/too often/too frequent/ 13.17.31 # thats certainly simpler 13.17.57 # it will need a way to be forced tho till, but ok 13.18.01 Part tucoz 13.18.06 # hi all 13.18.19 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 13.18.25 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.18.34 # call_ata_idle_notifys() already has a parameter 13.19.44 Quit idnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.21.30 # i finally managed to install devkit (thanks to Badger's script) and make a full rockbok.zip with latest cvs 13.22.30 # but once uploaded on / sansa dir and rebooted, it does nothing and just boots normally on official firmware. 13.22.48 # any idea ? 13.22.55 # habana: Did you unzip rockbox.zip? 13.23.06 # amiconn: same url.. 13.23.07 # dan_a: 13.23.08 # m68k-elf-gcc 4.1.1 is braindead :( 13.23.08 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.24.08 # dan_a: yes and used ./mi4code decrypt -s PP5022.mi4 OF.bin before make as you told me 13.24.12 # excpt that shhuold be + 30*HZ not *30*HZ 13.25.29 # Lao Tseu said "Il faut trouver la voie" (you have to find the way) 13.26.22 # habana: The mi4code line is for the original firmware, if you are running with the dual boot patch. I've still got some nasty hacks in that which I need to fix before I commit it. 13.27.21 # dan_a: ok so first mistake from me 13.27.45 # If you put PP5022.mi4 in the root of your Sansa, then the original firmware should detect it, and reboot (to OF) then tell you it is upgrading the firmware 13.27.50 Quit TnadeN (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.28.24 # dan_a : it does 13.28.48 # And then it will reboot to Rockbox 13.29.24 # dn_a : it desn't but i didnt apply patches onthe cvs version 13.29.43 # at least, i learn from mistakes :)= 13.30.22 # JdGordon: Something like that, yes, but I wouldn't use 2 parameters 13.30.30 # It says upgrading firmware, and then runs the original firmware? Are you sure you're copying the Rockbox firmware and not the Sandisk one across? 13.30.39 # There could be one enum parameter 13.31.16 # does it really make much difference? 13.31.32 # so for the "pure cvs" version, i just have to 'cd rockbox-devel && mkdir build_SANSA && cd build_SANSA && ../tools/configure && make' ? 13.32.18 # wouldnt an extra var be better than doing bitwise and's in that funtion? 13.32.21 # habana: Yes, then make fullzip, and then extract rockbox.zip into the root of your Sansa 13.32.32 # assuming the 2 params are merged with a flags variable 13.33.24 # amiconn: im headig out now, can I leave it wth you to commit how youd prefer it? 13.33.30 # or ill do it tormowow 13.33.33 # Why bitwise? 13.33.43 # I think there are 3 situations 13.34.00 # Normal without spindown, normal with spindown, or forecd 13.34.06 # *forced 13.34.41 # ok, I guess so 13.34.56 # anyway, yeah, im off.. if nothing is cmmited by tomoow ill do it 13.35.06 # tomorow 15hous away, not 25min 13.35.25 # Hehe, 10:25 to go here 13.35.52 # (to midnight) 13.36.10 # ill be home in like 4 hhuos or so.. but certainly not i a mood to do any coding :p 13.36.35 # My 4g greyscale ipod crashes constantly when using rockbox... at least every 4 minutes 13.36.45 # anyone else had this problem? 13.39.08 # Sequell: have you tried to use the build that was suggested to you yesterday (and read the thread)? 13.39.18 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 13.40.36 # (hope I didn't confuse you with someone else) 13.43.14 # I wasn't quite sure if the problem being discussed there was the one I was having (CPU scaling) 13.44.24 # if you try you could at least confirm whether it is the same or not 13.45.18 # i'll try it, then. i just copy+paste the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod file over my old one, right? 13.45.26 # and IIRC those people were reporting the same symptoms as you 13.45.27 # sorry to ask such a noobly question, i'm just very careful with $400 machines 13.45.57 # Correct. And by the way, there's no way you can break your Ipod, messing with Rockbox 13.46.21 # The absolute worst that can happen is that you lose all data on the Ipod. 13.46.38 # dan_a : err ... im way too dumb. i used the official Sandisk one. merci, i'll test soon 13.47.08 # habana: hehehe - it happens to us all some days! 13.47.25 # Sequell: Usual disclaimers apply, but there has not been a single case of broken Ipods due to Rockbox yet, and it's technically pretty much impossible. 13.49.51 # rasher: I recall _claims_ of such though :) 13.51.27 Join webguest76 [0] (i=54c56f79@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.51.35 # jhMikeS: Yeah, people are quick to cry wolf 13.51.45 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 13.52.06 # hey can someone tell me where i can downlaod dualboot.bin because i can't find it anywhere :\ 13.52.32 # dan_a : wich option for the configure ? normal devel build ? 13.52.51 # habana: Just a normal build 13.54.07 # anyone? :( 13.56.57 # webguest76: What is dualboot.bin? 13.57.48 # as far as i know it let's you choose what operating system to load on your ipod 13.58.28 # webguest76: Are you thinking of Loader2, from the iPodLinux project? 13.58.43 # * jhMikeS wonders where playback goofs on non-44100HZ AIFFs 13.58.47 # don't know actually :) 13.59.00 # i just want my ipod to let me choose to laod rockbox or apple os 13.59.10 # right now it automatically loads rockbox 13.59.20 # webguest76: Do you mean as in a graphical menu? Because Rockbox bootloader let's you chose by holding down a button to boot the Apple firmware 13.59.39 # wich button? O.o 13.59.45 # menu 13.59.49 # i tryed menu but that didn't work 14.00.21 # o wait hold on :) 14.00.34 # it works if i hold play 14.01.22 # The manual explains how the bootloader works 14.03.01 # Or at least, it should 14.03.08 # it does 14.03.17 # Where, I can't find it? 14.03.46 # now I need to open it? ;) 14.03.47 # one sec 14.04.04 Quit Rob2222 () 14.04.14 # dan_a : i just obtain a message saying that "zip name not matched - zip error ,nothing to do" and there's just a .rockbox dir in rockbox.zip 14.06.45 # habana: Have you done 'make' before doing 'make zip'? 14.06.52 # yes 14.07.16 # and 'make clean' before configure 14.07.26 # then do 'make V=1 zip' 14.07.35 # to learn more details 14.07.38 # thx 14.07.56 # might reveal some further clues 14.07.59 # or it doesn't 14.08.08 # I did swear it did, and was wrong. 14.08.17 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1642D.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.08.32 # * Soap doesn't know how he learned to hold menu during boot. 14.08.49 # i got the dualboot loader :) 14.08.52 # thx everyone :) 14.08.53 # bye now 14.08.55 Quit webguest76 ("CGI:IRC") 14.10.13 Join lamed [0] (i=59005c95@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.10.16 # Soap: It ought to be in chapter 3.1.2 I think 14.10.19 # hello guys 14.11.02 # question for hebrew translation: AGC clip time: controls what? how much time it takes until the AGC decides that there has been a clip? 14.11.57 # rasher: I really want to know how I learned to do that. I first downloaded rockbox when prepping for a business trip, never read the forums, and had nothing but the daily build, the manual (not even the fonts) for a month while in UAE w/o internet. 14.12.14 # Soap: The wiki perhaps? 14.12.28 # maybe, almost has to be doesn't it. 14.13.11 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 14.13.22 # agc help? 14.15.25 # but 3.1.2 could be redone to add that. from "Turning the Player on and off" to "Booting and shutting down your modified player" 14.16.37 # no player here to test: last.fm log - only one station or is it creating a long log? 14.17.15 # because I think the word "boot" should be in the header, as that is the word used by most questioners. Not "how do I turn my player on into original firmware" 14.17.53 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/administrator/Febs) 14.17.57 # plural or single? (last fm log) please, help, i really want to get this over with! 14.17.58 # lamed: "only one station"? I don't grok. But it does create a long log of everything played since the log's creation. 14.18.08 # single log. 14.21.30 # tt, good answer 14.22.07 # do you know what agc clip time does? was I right? 14.22.32 # I'll assume so 14.24.31 # hmmm. goddamn hard to translate all that mess. 14.28.05 # what's making lang files? make or make install? the latter I'm guessing. 14.32.33 # zip V=2 zip gives : find .rockbox | xargs zip rockbox.zip >/dev/null 14.32.34 # zip rockbox.zip PP5022.mi4 14.32.39 # zip warning: name not matched: PP5022.mi4 14.32.50 # zip error: Nothing to do! (rockbox.zip) 14.33.10 # so there's no PP5022.mi4 to add 14.33.17 # which implies a failed build 14.34.09 # I think the normal build still uses mi4code, so needs that to be in the path... I'll change it to use scramble until I get dual boot a little nicer 14.34.31 # aaah 14.36.07 # so i do have something else to try ? 14.36.25 Part pixelma 14.36.29 # habana: yes, put the mi4code tool in your path 14.36.51 # habana: Yes. Wait a couple of minutes, then do "cvs update" then try again from ../tools/configure 14.36.55 # mi4code is MrH code isn't it? 14.37.01 # rasher: yes 14.37.17 # Isn't this a problem? 14.37.29 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p548488D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.38.04 # now we don't use it 14.38.37 # Ah, okay 14.39.26 # * dan_a would like an .mi4 viewer in Rockbox 14.39.58 # that would be rolo then, wouldn't it? 14.40.35 # But it means getting some mi4 decrypting routines in there... 14.40.45 # yeah 14.41.03 # i often read "rolo" but dunno what it means ? 14.41.34 # rolo simply means loading and starting a(nother) firmware from within Rockbox itself 14.41.54 # habana: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary#RoLo 14.41.56 # thanks 14.44.12 # habana: Yes. Wait a couple of minutes =>let's go shopping 14.44.31 # just cvs update now, he already fixed it 14.44.33 # Would there be an obvious reason why checksums on the files I create with scramble -add=e200 (where e200 has a model number of 16) are always out by 4? 14.46.43 # rasher: Sorry if you were waiting for a serious post... :/ 14.46.50 # dan_a: not that I can think of 14.47.16 # checksum off by 4 sounds very weird, since even the slightest little change should make it go off more than just 4 14.47.25 # Genre9mp3: Hah :D 14.48.15 # * Bagder vanishes... 14.49.16 # thanks for all, no error message at "make zip" 14.49.35 # :D 14.49.35 # i'll test soon :) 14.59.51 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-074-015-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.04.06 # is the h10 a dual boot? if it is, how do you boot the original fw? 15.04.51 # I don't believe it is 15.06.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.06.50 # lamed: if I got it right dan_a worked on that the last days, but I'm not sure whether he got it working 15.08.00 # I've been working on it for the Sansa, which is similar to the H10. I did get it working on the Sansa, and barrywardell said he would take a look at what I'd found and see if it worked on the H10 15.08.17 Join HSbox [0] (i=underwat@202.10.86.63) 15.08.46 # oh, okay. that happens when you just peak on the chat ^^ 15.09.46 # I'm sorry to ask a non-Rockbox related question, but I just couldn't find any other IRC chan populated by people with knowledge of iPods. Does anyone know of an app I can use to extract the MP4 videos from my dad's iPod Video (5g)? YamiPod can do the MP3s, but I'm not sure about MP4s. 15.10.29 # windows or *nix? 15.10.52 # Windows XP (should have mentioned that) 15.12.33 # can't you just google? 15.13.16 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 15.13.43 # hsbox: try ephpod. 15.14.15 # arathis, dan_a, thanks. (answering questions on forums... don't own one) 15.14.26 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.198.198) 15.15.02 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-074-015-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.15.38 # HSbox: anapod 15.16.17 # thanks. 15.16.53 # it is commercial, but A-it kicks iTunes to the curb. B-In "trial" mode you can move one file at a time. 15.17.55 # can someone advise on media players for windows? 15.17.59 # or linux 15.18.08 # i want somthing with good wavpack support 15.18.11 # foobar2000 is quite nice 15.18.13 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3056.gwdg.de) 15.18.16 # amen 15.18.17 # tag management 15.18.18 # yes, it is 15.18.27 # bluebrother: don't like it at all 15.18.34 # but, i'm using it now 15.18.41 # only thing it's missing is find-as-you-type like winamp has 15.19.02 # cause.. its the only thing i can find that uses wavpack tags properly 15.19.13 # - but, the interface is terrible IMO 15.21.08 # _who_didnt_use_sysfont_strings_on_the_recording_screens_goddamit. 15.23.04 Join Neekeetos [0] (n=Neekeeto@ats-77-10-46.iola.tula.net) 15.23.19 # Hi ppl! 15.24.06 # heya 15.24.26 # how r the things? 15.28.37 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.31.35 # the interface is a bit of it's own. After I got used to it I like it more than winamp. 15.32.08 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 15.33.22 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-074-015-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.33.45 Part Neekeetos ("Time makes no sense") 15.33.52 # lamed: The whole sysfont string thing is the wrong approach imho 15.35.55 # WRS anyone? 15.38.39 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 15.40.06 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-074-015-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.40.52 # petur! 15.41.00 # Yo! 15.41.07 # amiconn: I know, but I remind you it's just until we'll have something better. wouldn't you agree if you were not a good iso-8859-1 speaker? 15.41.07 # WRS? 15.41.17 # while recording screen? 15.41.23 # yes, but petur! 15.41.26 # :) 15.42.46 # long as it's light on CPU 15.42.56 # indeed 15.43.59 # can one use get_action with timeout 0 to just sense if a key was pressed (while doing things)? 15.45.34 # that whole thing needs labeling for audio formats so the indexes aren't relevant. should use the id label to pair bitmaps with formats. id like to be able to keep them sorted into sensible order and not worry about that. 15.46.50 Quit atrus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.48.30 Join [g2] [0] (n=g2@nslu2-linux/g2) 15.50.00 Join atrus [0] (i=atrus@S01060000b48e3b44.cg.shawcable.net) 15.50.47 Quit HSbox ("HSbox... the IRC user who WON'T sleep with your wife") 15.50.50 # petur: it looks to be ok 15.51.10 # gonna try then 15.51.16 # use TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK 15.51.31 # ah.. 10x 15.59.37 # yup, seems to work very well 16.01.02 # After putting a new rockbox build on my iPod, it worked for 20 mins, then I switched it off. I switched it on later, and it brought upthe dead battery sign (even though it was at 50% only an hour earlier). I plugged it into a charger and nothing happens; it won't turn on, and the charging symbol doesn't appear. When plugging it into my PC, nothing happens at all, it just stays dead. Is there anything I can do? 16.26.01 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 16.26.36 Quit bluey- (Remote closed the connection) 16.29.52 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEFA24.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.30.20 Join ScoTTie_ [0] (n=scott@220-253-108-158.VIC.netspace.net.au) 16.33.38 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-0-206-245.ri.ri.cox.net) 16.35.53 # sed -e 's/hello/goodbye/g' -i * 16.36.19 # shouldn't that change every 'hello' word in that folder to goodbye? 16.37.57 # it should, as long as your sed supports -i 16.38.20 # yeah, never mind it works, it just had problems with the cvs folder for some reason 16.40.17 Quit ScoTTie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.40.44 # Does anyone have a response for my question? 16.41.26 Join lubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 16.41.40 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 16.42.04 # * Sequell fears he has permanently damaged his rather expensive machine 16.42.15 # Sequell: can you get in the the ipod via usb? 16.42.33 # Hi! 16.42.36 # hi Dan 16.43.05 # Sequell: When plugging it into my PC, nothing happens at all 16.43.07 # oh :( 16.44.00 # Sequell: how old is the ipod? 16.44.12 # what version etc 16.44.12 # 12-16 months, tops. 16.44.17 # 4G greyscale. 16.45.47 # hmm my first idea is hardware failer but its odd that it would happen just as you put rockbox on, i suggest posting in the forums as your more likly to get a proper responce 16.47.49 # ive never heard of a case of rockbox killing any planyer 16.47.53 # player* 16.48.30 # Hi Gnelik 16.48.46 # make sure you include as much info as possible on your ipod/an options you changed/what build you put on/any mods/anything you can think off 16.48.53 # Sequell: leave it connected to the charger for a while then try to force reboot with menu+select 16.49.42 # Will do (to both of those suggestions) 16.51.20 Quit JoeBorn ("brb") 16.51.20 # or better yet, search the forums. There is a thread on this very subject once a week. 16.52.55 # dan_a: Uptade debug_menu.c line 1082 to #elif CONFIG_CPU == PP5020 || CONFIG_CPU == PP5024 16.52.57 # in cvs 16.53.06 # to allow GPIO's debuging 16.54.33 Quit lubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.57.12 # Gnelik: Done 16.57.23 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 16.57.55 # HZ is proc frenq 16.57.55 # ?? 16.57.59 # or no?? 16.58.22 # yes 16.58.37 # Sort of. HZ is the number of clock ticks per second 16.58.43 # ticks per sec 17.00.59 # than it seem than sansa has more than 100 ticks per second 17.04.58 # But runtime works fine 17.06.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.07.45 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@181.sub-70-208-152.myvzw.com) 17.13.21 Join lear [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 17.21.34 Quit lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/0000000000]") 17.21.36 # ping 17.23.36 # pong? 17.23.58 # yep 17.24.00 Quit Wett (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.27.01 # Does Rockbox access the hard disk more than the standard firmware? I've noticed the hard disk spinning for longer and more often when using Rockbox... maybe it's just me 17.28.58 # Also: is it possible for Rockbox to alter the audio quality in any way, or is that hardware-based? 17.31.22 # yuck. adding file and (recursive) dir properties adds 2036 bytes to my h340 binary :/ 17.31.56 # Sequell: rockbox only (?) accesses the HD more than stock firmware on the 60 gig iPods, as it uses only 32 of their 64MB buffers. 17.32.16 # Sequell: and most all the audio shaping is done in software. 17.32.32 # with very few exceptions. 17.32.32 Join Wett [0] (n=Wett@d02m-89-83-202-67.d4.club-internet.fr) 17.32.51 # Sequell: turn on Directory Cache on your ipod. 17.33.07 # assuming you aren't using TagCache/database. 17.40.08 # ah, thanks 17.40.24 # so the music will sound slightly different depending on which firmware i use to play it? 17.40.58 # can... but probably inaudible 17.44.52 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 17.44.58 # I was under the impression RMAA testing had shown no significant differences. 17.45.42 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-55-201.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.46.39 Join PRGUY [0] (n=chatzill@host-70-45-124-211.onelinkpr.net) 17.46.41 # RMAA, you say? 17.47.06 # hey there 17.47.24 # dan_a: any progress, or you aren't working on sansa 17.47.26 # ??? 17.47.46 # I just installed rockbox on my iPod 4g grayscale, but I am not getting the file view menu. Everything else works and if I make a playlist of all songs I can listen to them, but I cannot browse song by song, or artist by artist. What is wrong? 17.48.25 # PRGUY: where is your music? Rockbox boots into the file view screen. 17.48.46 # ok, whaat I get on boot is calendars, notes, rocbox 17.48.56 # let us not call it the "file view menu" as there is the File Tree, and the Menu, and never the twain shall meet. 17.49.10 # PRGUY: sounds like the root directory of an ipod. 17.49.14 # yes 17.49.28 # that is your file tree view then. 17.49.29 # so, what do I do to get a traditional file tree menu where I can select songs by artist, albums etc? 17.49.42 # Gnelik: I'm not working on rockbox at the moment. Everyone needs some time off sometimes! 17.49.43 # that wouldn't be a traditional file tree would it? 17.49.47 # oh so the rockbox is not like the ipod firmware in that way? 17.49.51 # a file tree is just like windows explorer. 17.50.00 # dan_a: True 17.50.06 # where I can browse my music by artist? 17.50.25 # you need to enable TagCache/Database (just changed names) 17.50.43 # ok, and that will give me what? 17.50.49 # the manual refers to it as TagCache still, but besides that the manual is an excellent tool for setting that up. 17.51.25 # the Database method of navigation is much more like the Apple OS method of navigation, browsing based on tags, not based on filenames, which would be the file tree view. 17.51.51 # there is even a nice tool in the wiki to convert your itunes database to tagcache's database. 17.52.02 # But more powerful, and it doesn't require anything on the PC side 17.52.03 # * Sequell loves being able to copy+paste album folders onto the ipod without passing them through itunes :) 17.52.15 # ok I just clicked on Initialize Now on TagCache 17.52.59 # is that it? 17.53.09 # (I can hear the hard drive spinning...) 17.53.16 # It's building the database now 17.53.35 # Thanks to dan_a and Badger, i finally booted on rockbox ! 17.53.50 # When it's done (hard drive stops spinning), you reboot and change General settings > File view > Show files to ID3 Database 17.54.45 # habana:my congrats 17.54.49 # :) 17.54.52 # wow thanks 17.55.07 # hmm... when rockbox changes to Karaoke mode (from the Sound Settings->Channels) menu, what's actually happening to the sound? I don't know how to describe it at all 17.55.07 # and hey about the gapless playback i havent found the option yet 17.55.29 # it isn't an option 17.56.00 # ok so its On by default? 17.56.39 # you can't switch gapless on or off. not having gapless is a major bug imho 17.57.00 # PRGUY: it isn't an option, it is the behavior of a proper decoder. 17.57.02 Quit Ribs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.57.22 # dan_a: I have an idea to make graphick bootloader 17.57.47 # To change the FW by chozing it in the list 17.58.00 # And with timeout 17.58.03 # like the ipodlinux bootloader does Gnelik ? 17.58.05 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 17.58.27 # I didn't know this 17.58.28 # Sequell: I believe it subtracts the difference of the stereo channels from each channel.. or.. something like that 17.58.30 # :) 17.58.56 # If it do this then yes 17.59.15 # you can use the IPL bootloader with rockbox 17.59.25 # No no 17.59.29 # its not for me 18.00.12 # ? 18.00.38 # Soap: Not everyone is using an iPod! 18.00.45 # I think it wont work on sansa 18.00.47 # dan_a: point 18.01.01 # :) 18.01.02 # rockbox on 5g video ipods still plays video files, doesn't it? 18.01.54 # Sequell: like rasher said, the assumption being that vocal tracks are mastered dead center, and thus L+inverse right = leaves behind only what isn't common (vocal) to both. 18.02.27 # Sequell: not .mp4 like Apple FW, and not anything but mpeg 1/2 w/o sound. 18.02.37 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.198.68) 18.03.59 # hey what font would make it look similar to the iPod font? 18.04.54 Join webguest19 [0] (i=461020eb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 18.05.17 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54932435.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.05.22 # Where do i put dooms wad file 18.05.22 # ??? 18.05.22 Quit webguest19 (Client Quit) 18.06.35 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-250-39-195.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 18.06.36 # PRGUY: look at the iPod WPS page and check out what fonts the iPod clone WPSs are using. 18.06.57 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 18.06.57 # Gnelik: in /games/doom - it's in the wiki 18.06.58 # Gnelik: doom is well documented in the manual/wiki 18.07.22 # where can I find teh iPod WPS page 18.07.34 # (sorry for being such a pain) 18.07.44 # wiki 18.07.46 # ipod port 18.07.48 # that's pretty cool, the karaoke thing 18.07.53 # has all the main ipod wiki links 18.08.24 # it cuts out the bass guitar in talking heads songs as well as the voice, makes it sound interesting 18.08.26 # hmm. How about moving doom gamedata to /.rockbox/doom? 18.08.48 # bluebrother: Go go go 18.09.06 # You wrote a patch for that, right? 18.09.06 # eh? 18.09.07 # * bluebrother searches for the patch he made for that some while ago 18.09.26 # Didn't we agree on .rockbox/games/*/`? 18.09.34 # (for pacman and possibly other) 18.09.45 # * petur must have missed the discussion 18.10.09 # It was a 15 minute discussion, so that's understandable 18.10.13 # why have all that non rb stuff in there? I'd rather have *all* data out of the rb tree 18.10.45 # I'm very fond of keeping programs and data separate 18.10.46 # Hrm, I see it the other way. I'd rather have everything related to Rockbox in there 18.10.47 # amiconn made the valid point that all other games also have their subdir below .rockbox 18.10.58 # like rockboy 18.11.07 # time to get them out of there? 18.11.09 # :) 18.11.21 # ah well... 18.11.23 # maybe. 18.11.27 # But pretty much all of .rockbox is data anyway 18.11.32 # fonts, languages, etc 18.11.40 # I mean user data 18.11.49 # not included in the zip that is 18.12.03 # petur, see FS#5903 for the patch I made 18.12.35 # having archived themes would be also a nice thing, but I'm missing the time to work on that atm :( 18.12.43 Quit PRGUY (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.12.52 # if it was agreed upon by the oldtimers then I won't mind :p 18.13.04 # I don't think it was 18.13.27 # that's the reason why I haven't done it yet. 18.13.29 # (not disagreed either, there just weren't any here) 18.14.00 # the way it is now makes it impossible to start with a new rockbox tree. so you end up deleting old plugins (that get renamed) by hand :( 18.14.10 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 18.14.31 # because if you wipe .rockbox you loose way too much data 18.14.44 # (custom configs, saved settings, ...) 18.14.57 # but the only files sometimes one gets removed are the plugins 18.14.59 # been there once, didn't like it :/ 18.15.34 # * petur remembers wps maintenance too 18.15.57 # * bluebrother still wants to code archived themes 18.16.56 Part n1s 18.17.02 # petur, what do you think of a theme installer? FS#6156 18.18.20 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.umbc.edu) 18.18.59 # not a bad idea 18.19.07 # like cab files on CE 18.19.23 # maybe also auto-delete them after install? 18.19.34 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.19.43 # * bluebrother remembers he wanted to write a zip to rbt converter script 18.20.33 # I'd prefer not to delete them so the user can reinstall it like after wiping .rockbox 18.20.45 # wor testing I put those files in some folder like /themes 18.20.47 # pffff 18.24.51 # but it could be an option in the installer 18.26.16 # Can i use gui/list in bootloader??? 18.26.28 # why not make a more generic installer that can handle fonts, wps, radiopresets ? 18.27.48 # 20min late: IMO files you don't use the File Browser to reach them (like Doom wads) should be in .rockbox dir 18.28.48 Quit PaulJam (".") 18.29.07 # but what format should those install files have? Simply the same and distinguishing with their file extensions? 18.29.29 # fmr go to fmpresets, fnt to fonts etc.? 18.29.40 # nice idea. 18.29.41 # Why not having 2 main directories ? One for programs and one for other data ? I dislike seeing my folders being disorganized by rockbox stuff, but i also hate loosing my settings everytime I update 18.30.19 # Why would you lose your settings? 18.30.20 # my thoughts exactly 18.30.30 # like having a /.rbdata? or /.userdata? 18.30.48 # an installer would still be helpful imo ;-) 18.30.49 # bluebrother: For example .ri(rockbox instaler) and have a config file inside 18.31.09 # rasher: because I used to have problems just overwritting ./rockbox folder 18.31.27 # rasher: try deleting .rockbox and unzipping a fresh install: gone are your settings (saved cfg for now but soon your TRUE settings), fm presets, ... 18.31.53 # hmm. I think I'd prefer distinguishing based on file extensions to be independend from some internal file 18.32.16 # would also make it easier to back up only your settings & stuff (highscores,...) 18.32.21 # requiring an additional file would make it harder for installer file packagers. And thus decrease the acceptance 18.32.36 # bluebrother: I'm working on one at the moment... 18.32.41 # having /.rockbox and /.rbdata dirs doesn't sound bad 18.32.54 # obo, what exactly? 18.32.59 # an installer 18.33.14 # you've seen my theme installer at FS? 18.33.17 # bluebrother: the installer could look at the files inside and figure out what it is 18.33.42 # .fmr is a preset file, .cfg a theme, ... 18.34.09 # and don't allow mixed tars (presets+theme,..) 18.34.28 # petur: eqs are alsow .cfg 18.34.37 # grrrr 18.34.46 # my current installer e.g. recognizes all bmp files unless the bmp is set as backdrop in the theme file 18.35.03 # but that's mostly the approach I already used. 18.35.53 # obo, how exactly are you working on an installer? Themes only or a more generic one? 18.36.02 # more generic 18.36.48 # \o/ 18.37.46 # hmm. For all file types that can get distinguished by the file extension extending my installer would be easy 18.38.30 # Lets change qe entension to .eq 18.38.32 # :) 18.38.37 # qe = eq 18.38.46 # sounds reasonable to me 18.38.48 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 18.39.06 # amiconn? 18.39.20 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 18.39.27 # and them's one to theme 18.39.33 # anything else that shares extensions? 18.40.02 # viwer, plugins 18.40.08 # how about them? 18.40.31 # They all are .rock 18.41.05 # yeah, but I don't think we need an installer for that 18.41.14 # as they need to match the plugin api 18.41.45 # ok 18.42.05 # instead I'd like to have subcategories in the plugins folder ;-) 18.42.12 # :) 18.43.42 # I have seen suck patch why it isn't in cvs now? 18.43.59 # * bluebrother rebuilds his installer patch 18.44.04 # ups 18.44.10 Join sando [0] (n=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 18.44.11 # *such 18.45.21 # Can i use gui/list in bootloader??? 18.45.32 # no idea. 18.46.23 # grrr 18.46.45 # <[g2]> Gnelik rEFIt uses graphics 18.47.09 # ?? 18.47.56 # <[g2]> Gnelik rEFIt is a bootloader on the Macs and is uses graphics (GUI) to selecting different options 18.48.10 # Hard to run that on your DAP though 18.48.22 # * bluebrother recognizes his installer already handles fnt files 18.48.29 # <[g2]> rasher the point was that some bootloaders do use graphics 18.48.39 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 18.48.45 # <[g2]> rasher it's simply a memory and complexity issue 18.48.50 # Well, Gnelik was a bit more specific than that. 18.48.57 # Gnelik's question 18.49.39 # bootloader means the Rockbox bootloader, and no, I don't believe (or hope!) that the gui_list widget is available there 18.49.55 # [g2] i am sure that i can use graptics, but dont know about the list.h 18.50.08 # with its features 18.50.56 # <[g2]> rasher my bad. thx for the clarification I only saw that the last bit 18.52.49 # Gnelik: I guess you could #include a whole bunch of stuff into the bootloader, but I doubt that'll ever make it into Rockbox. The bootloader is supposed to load rockbox as fast as possible, while still allowing dual-boot by holding down a button or similar 18.52.59 # what aptget package is gmake? 18.53.17 # make 18.53.39 # gmake is only used on Freebsd, which as its own non-GNU make 18.54.23 # so what does that means then? Consider upgrading to GNU make 3.81+ for optimum build performance. 18.54.34 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-72.dynamic.qsc.de) 18.54.40 # lamed: You have an old version 18.55.08 # apt-get install make = make is already the newest version. 18.55.26 # lamed, there have been some improvements made to make building faster, but those require a newer make version. 18.55.39 # No problem at all, it's simply a bit slower 18.55.46 # I also have an older version of make 18.56.13 # i was trying to download it, it could be that I'm on an old server that doesn't yet have the new make. 18.56.45 # my make version is 3.80 18.56.47 # sec 18.57.19 # how do I check what version is on my apt-get server side? 18.57.28 # apt-cache policy make 18.58.10 # make in Debian Stable s 3.80 18.58.58 # yeah. it has "make 3.80-9". I guess the -9 doesn't mean a lot otherwise it would have already been downloaded 18.59.13 # The -9 is just the debian package version 18.59.24 Quit sandoaway (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.00.23 # ah. so it's kind of wierd having that "cosider upgrading to gnumake" message if it's only valid for freebsd. 19.00.41 # (yeah ok or not stable for debian) 19.01.18 # t isn't 19.01.37 # What you have installed is GNU make 19.01.49 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 19.02.14 # It is simply called make on linux systems. Only on *BSD is it called gmake 19.02.32 # which is what you asked about first 19.03.45 # rasher - I ment that you can (probably) get a newer version then 3.80 gnu make for debian, but it's not stable - so it's not so recommanded to switch to. and that's why the "consider" message might not be the smartest idea 19.04.04 # (work cvs diff work!) 19.04.17 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 19.04.37 # I think you misunderstand the meaning of "stable" in Debian terms. 19.05.15 # It means the environment doesn't change. Not that the software is stable (it mostly is, but that's true for the other parts of Debian as well) 19.05.32 # It means all programs remain the same, no versionchanges etc. 19.06.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.08.35 # now you got me all mixed up and I even don't know why. 19.08.37 # i'm on debian 19.09.28 # and I get the message about gnu make although I have the newest package that there is released. 19.09.40 # Yes, because that version is old. Ish. 19.09.48 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 19.09.59 # The thing I'm responding to is "but it's not stable - so it's not so recommanded to switch to." 19.10.03 # but it's not for debian it terms of released packages 19.10.20 # There's nothing stopping you from switching to Dbian testing or unstable 19.10.42 # ok, now i got what you mean 19.12.03 # why can't I cvs diff properly... :/ 19.14.14 Quit JoeBorn ("be back soon") 19.26.16 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC") 19.26.20 # I am newbin in C 19.26.32 # tell me what is wrong in here: 19.26.32 # char items[MENU_COUNT][256]; 19.26.32 # items[0] = "Sandisk"; 19.26.32 DBUG Enqueued KICK Gnelik 19.26.32 # items[1] = "Rockbox"; 19.27.00 # char items[MENU_COUNT][256]; 19.28.32 Part Gnelik 19.28.37 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 19.29.37 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.31.20 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 19.32.22 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.33.15 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 19.35.36 Join Kyl3 [0] (i=Kyl3@cpe-72-229-107-187.nyc.res.rr.com) 19.36.35 # Hey guys just a quick question. Did rockbox add support for H300 1.31K yet? if not are you guys going to? 19.38.03 # 1.31? 19.38.19 # must admit I'm not following iriver fw anymore :) 19.38.29 # what did they remove this time? 19.38.38 # Nothing 19.38.50 # They made it more rockbox like actully 19.38.57 # and added games, right? 19.39.02 # Added a few games and OTF playlists 19.39.09 # oh 19.39.31 # And petur me niether but I checked Misticriver today and there and there it was 19.39.34 # why would they still maintain fw of a player they stopped producing? 19.40.07 # Well... its Korean. Maybe they still sell them there 19.41.23 # tsss minesweeper 19.42.22 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177840009.dsl.bell.ca) 19.43.36 # hahaha... no background music supported... either listen or game... 19.43.58 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 19.43.58 # * petur ran the iriver page through babelfish 19.45.31 # they mention something about being able to use an OGG file. did iriver support OGG? 19.45.45 # Yep 19.46.35 # bugfix seems to be leapyear related - maybe they started using the RTC chip correctly now ;) 19.46.43 # I bought the h120 because of their ogg support 19.47.11 # but when I started re-ripping my CDs to ogg I looked for an alternative and found rockbox -- the ogg support of the h120 is crappy 19.47.31 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.47.48 # the translation is really funny.... 19.48.08 # lcd_drawrect(MENU_GLOBAL_BORDER, MENU_GLOBAL_BORDER, LCD_WIDTH-2*MENU_GLOBAL_BORDER, LCD_HEIGHT-2*MENU_GLOBAL_BORDER); 19.48.16 Join Lamed [0] (n=Shachar@89.0.92.149.dynamic.barak-online.net) 19.48.26 # e200.c:226: error: syntax error before ';' token 19.48.30 # GRRRRRRR 19.48.35 # Help me 19.48.53 # forgot a ; the line before? 19.49.13 # no 19.49.16 # petur: around? 19.49.27 # *looks around* yups 19.50.10 # bluebrother:: checked this 19.50.15 # you were working and commiting the agc patch, right? 19.50.21 # amiconn: hehe, now i got it booted up from flash :) somehow initially setting cpu speed crashed the unit 19.50.45 # So no bootloader support yet for 1.31K? 19.51.00 # Lamed: I just committed it (and use it) 19.51.31 # bluebrother: ";" in defines 19.51.41 # :( 19.51.53 # hmm, I'd love if everyone could keep going by http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NonLatinLanguages , that will save me a lot of time and effort in the future... 19.52.47 # is 'cvs diff -u * > 123' the wrong syntax?! 19.54.11 # Lamed: that internal font thing was added after AGC iirc 19.54.51 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.55.17 Quit Kyl3 () 19.56.01 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 19.56.11 Join tucoz [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/staff/tucoz) 19.56.20 # preglow: around? 19.57.22 # Did users of the frsser version for sansa suport have troubles with keys (as very badly working) ? maybe i missed a patch not yet added to cvs ? 19.57.38 # frsser = fresh 19.57.45 # it´s nice to see the sansa port moving forwa 19.57.47 # rd 19.58.11 # I´ll probably buy myself one of those after christmas. 20.00.46 # petur, well the cvs says you don't 'rc'... http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/recorder/recording.c but it truely was a short while after that (~ a week) and it was just a future reference anyhow :) 20.01.09 # amiconn: now the rockbox logo is basically displayed as soon what it takes to initialize the lcd :) 20.01.59 # amiconn: and buttons seems to work very early 20.02.22 # i pressed power button twice shortly (about 500ms between the presses) and resume function activated :) 20.04.15 # Is lcd_invertrect exist? 20.04.40 # amiconn: basically buttons react before anything is displayed on the lcd (it seems lcd is quite slow to initialize) 20.06.24 # i am about to add a "crash recovery" screen to the bootloader that is automatically activated if rockbox has not cleanly shutdown 20.08.06 # next step is to make the background color blue and foreground color white in the crash screen? :p 20.09.22 # amiconn: and now it's possible to have both of the rom and ram image in the flash separately at the same time 20.11.38 Join kristinstickle [0] (i=4678e9d9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.12.27 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 20.12.31 # grmph... I can't get my properties screen addition below 1688 bytes... amiconn, how bad is that? Shall I go optimize some places to compensate? 20.13.12 # Gnelik: use set_draw_mode(DRMODE_COMPLEMENT) 20.13.33 Part tucoz 20.13.46 # Hello. I'm installing Rockbox onto my 1gb 1st generation iPod Nano from Linux, and have run into a little snag. I'm not sure bootpartion.bin was created at all, as it isn't in the temporary directory I created. 20.14.47 # I don't want to continue until I've got said file backed up somewhere safe. 20.16.04 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.16.08 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp126-207.adsl.forthnet.gr) 20.16.09 # I did the following: dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin 20.18.03 # and your ipod is sda? 20.18.27 # Yes, my ipod is sda 20.19.00 # At least, according to dmesg 20.22.31 # Wait, being an Ubuntu user, should I have done sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin? 20.24.12 # Nope, that didn't work either. 20.25.13 # it should say something about X records written/read 20.27.04 # I'm about to copy and paste what Konsole spit out at me: 20.27.08 # 160587+0 records in160587+0 records out82220544 bytes (82 MB) copied, 95.2868 seconds, 863 kB/s 20.27.15 # use pastebin please 20.27.30 # Sorry. 20.27.31 # it should be fine 20.27.39 # that one wasnt that bad ;) 20.27.49 # and you said that you dont see it? 20.28.10 # habana: The scroll wheel doesn't work yet, so yes, the keys are badly working. It says this in the forum ;) 20.28.16 # Nope. It isn't in ~/rockbox, nor is it in my home directory. 20.28.44 # kristinstickle: where did you run the command from? 20.28.45 # Anywhere else where it might have been hidden? 20.29.01 # from within the rockbox directory I created. 20.29.33 # which is at /home/rockbox. The temporary folder I was told to create following the wiki installation instructions. 20.29.40 # strange... 20.29.45 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.30.10 # If all else fails, can I get by not backing this file up? 20.30.21 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 20.30.39 # well, you need to modify the file and then copy it back to the device 20.30.57 # and extract the apple firmware from it 20.31.09 Join yipe [0] (n=yipe@12-218-163-227.client.mchsi.com) 20.32.29 # dan_a : it was not related to the wheel. In menu containing "recent bookmarks" on top and "Info" in the bottom, only these two folders are access granted with up and down buttons. 20.33.03 # there is nothing on TV :( 20.33.15 # I'm watching the stupid breakfast club, again.... 20.34.34 # Hmm. Okay. Tried it again, and this time it worked. Didn't do anything different.... Weird. 20.34.54 # ah, wrong channel, sorry 20.34.59 # you don't care what I'm watching :P 20.35.08 # * Lamed commiting 20.35.08 # Well, at least now I have my bootpartion.bin file. Sorry about that, guys! I guess third time's the charm. 20.36.18 # I have nothing against the breakfast club. Just not something I'd want to watch more than once in a short period. O_O 20.37.18 # Okay. Goodbye. Thanks for being patient with me. Wish me luck on the rest of the installation! 20.38.16 Quit kristinstickle ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.42.30 # bagder: around? 20.42.57 # bleh... output_dyn_value() can't handle big values :/ 20.43.51 Quit RogerBacon ("Quitte") 20.44.08 # amiconn: rockbox even no longer seems to crash during playback when running from ROM :) 20.44.11 # can anyone check why can't I login using my developer username?! 20.45.12 # Slasheri: how is rockbox in rom working out? 20.45.24 # What are te benefits 20.45.27 # rasher: seems to work very well at the moment :) 20.45.43 # rasher: even _little_ faster boot time than running from ram and reduced ram usage 20.46.11 # ram available for audio buffering will be increased something like 350 kB 20.46.15 # I wouldn't know about the boot time, still not flashed 20.46.28 # hehe, you should try :) 20.46.41 # I guess. I'm awaiting a bootloader release 20.46.42 # but only if you have h120/140 20.46.46 # I do 20.47.06 # yep, i am now doing some important changes to the bootloader 20.47.07 # guys, who's admining the cvs server? (that is around) 20.47.17 # I cant choze right sleep 20.47.24 # My it blinks 20.47.40 # Lamed: you need Bagder or LinusN 20.48.19 # but they are both not around and I just want to commit and get it over with 20.48.21 # rasher: the other benefits for running from flash (either ram or rom image) is that dircache and tagcache states can be loaded from disk 20.48.26 # :(((( 20.48.50 # so rockbox no longer needs to scan disk after boot to load the directory cache thus saving some battery 20.48.51 # Slasheri: I still don't understand how these two are related 20.48.58 # yuck... trying to use output_dyn_value() increased my binary size :( 20.49.31 # rasher: eeprom is needed to store flag when disk is intact and that can't be done if original fw is using the eeprom 20.50.16 # Ah, and if the OF is there, you don't know if it's tampered with the disk anyway 20.50.39 # yep, we have no way to know then 20.51.05 # but without OF bootloader changes the eeprom flag to indicate disk has been tampered if usb bootloader mode has been used for example 20.52.16 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3078.gwdg.de) 20.55.54 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.56.59 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 20.57.05 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 20.57.40 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 20.58.26 # how can i get all files with .e200 extention from some directory? 20.59.40 # OS? 20.59.47 # What OS are you on? 21.00.35 # C :) 21.00.47 # Rockbox Api 21.01.17 Join webguest23 [0] (i=47edc949@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.05.16 # I just found your website. Does rockbox work with flash based players, or just HD players? 21.06.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.06.15 # both 21.07.48 # anybody got any objections against me adding my implementation of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5742 (my patch is at the bottom)? It's a file and directory properties context screen... 21.08.01 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.10.12 # webguest23: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox and http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml are nice starting points 21.10.22 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549653E8.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.10.35 # an advanced-file-management pluggin would prevent any binary bloat ;) 21.10.36 # the latter shows which models are supported too ;) 21.10.50 # Soap: I know 21.11.14 # maybe I should make a plugin of it... 21.11.41 # and have it loaded from the browser context menu (like credits is done) 21.11.48 # I say that, but I can't think of other functions to move to such a pluggin. 21.11.59 # petur, that properties sounds nice. 21.12.05 # which would be the real space-saver. 21.12.13 # especially as it isn't a plugin 21.12.29 # maybe only enable it on swcodec because of the size increase? 21.13.11 # reason I wrote it is because I missed it a lot recently and was surprised we didn't have it 21.13.12 Quit bbroke ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 21.14.09 # it adds 1680 bytes tho :( 21.14.53 # I'm surprised it adds that much 21.15.26 # for files it shows path,name, date and time. for directories it shows number of subdirs, files and total size of all files 21.16.07 # a lot of bytes go to the screen output and some new LANG_xxx strings 21.16.39 # I tried to reuse existing LANG_xxx strings as much as possible, which is ugly... 21.17.06 # I am in for this petur 21.17.10 # nice patch 21.17.13 # and optimized it from 2036 to 1680 bytes - maybe I should go over the rest of the code :) 21.17.17 # I say commit it :P 21.17.28 # did you try it? 21.17.56 # no, but I like the idea 21.18.30 # let's hear how loud amiconn swears when he arrives 21.18.36 # hehe 21.19.00 # well I think that file\dir properties are essential for a file browser anyway 21.21.19 # I'm not sure if I consider that number of subdirs on folder properties needed. 21.23.02 # bbl 21.30.36 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.31.20 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 21.33.02 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.44.30 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.50.57 Quit Wett (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.54.04 Quit Lamed ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 21.58.50 Quit tyrion ("brb") 21.58.56 Join tyrion [0] (n=tyrion@skynet.skynet.ie) 22.00.28 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.01.18 Quit rconan ("Leaving") 22.01.38 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 22.02.29 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.14.13 Quit webguest23 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.17.12 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.17.42 # ah, now the bootloader works great also, with automatic failsafe menu activation 22.17.55 # and hold switch activates that menu too with automatic shutdown 22.18.11 # on wich players ? 22.18.13 # <