--- Log for 20.03.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 21 hours ago 00.00.03 # Again: The included WPSes will always be loadable since they're preprocessed. 00.00.21 # not if the installed version and loaded version mismatch 00.00.26 # The plugin is only necessary for loading .wps files, not .bps files (or whatever) 00.00.38 # Then it defaults to rockbox_default which is compiled in. 00.00.44 # urgh 00.00.52 # quite bad from a users point of view 00.00.54 # bluebrother: we'd still hardcode a default wps 00.00.56 # If the codec versions mismatch, music won't play. 00.01.09 # Saying "what if there's a version mismatch" isn't a strong argument 00.01.25 # If they've improperly installed rockbox, plenty of things won't work that are much more significant than "Not having to use rockbox_default" 00.01.29 # codec versions rarely change. Plugin versions quite a lot 00.01.47 # Nico_P: any chance you can make the parser smaller than 5k? 00.02.34 # Llorean: you'll get to answer all the "help! where's my wps gone" questions ;) 00.02.37 # bluebrother: Again, the plugin is only needed for unofficial WPSes, those not included with their build. 00.02.46 # pixelma: I know, and yet I'm still in favour of the idea. Crazy, innit? 00.02.46 Quit Domonoky ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 00.03.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.03.13 # crazy, but I'm still not convinced ;-) 00.03.21 # bluebrother: I don't see how "The user must have properly installed Rockbox" is a bad requirement for having additional WPSes beyond the included ones. 00.03.35 # IMO we should have as less external dependencies as possible 00.03.58 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.04.01 # markun: 5k is parser + bitmap preloading... i'm not sure how i could make it smaller but it's probably possible to optimise it 00.04.13 # (i didn't change the bitmap preloading code) 00.04.29 # it's strange - I dislike the idea even though I also would like to see bin size dropping - but cannot really argue about it 00.04.37 # why is Rockbox trying to look for OF.mi4 on the Sansa e200 series? 00.04.58 *** Alert Mode OFF 00.04.59 # chrisjs169: Are you using the officially provided bootloader, or did you compile your own? 00.05.09 # Officially provided 00.05.12 Quit obo ("bye") 00.05.22 # From the yesterdays sansapatcher 00.05.42 # Ah, well that's not the officially provided one. 00.05.56 # That's the "Experimental, work in progress" one 00.06.11 # Ah, ok 00.06.33 # But what's wrong with it looking for OF.mi4 - afaik, it also looks in the firmware partition, plus OF.bin 00.06.33 # So it's looking for it, because it was meant to. 00.06.55 # linuxstb: The one that looked for OF.MI4 for me, didn't look for OF.BIN, so there was at least one embedded version that didn't. 00.08.03 # Ah, OK. 00.08.16 # I'm all for decreasing binary size. But at what price? That binary thing isn't KISS anymore 00.08.46 # Wow. We're still arguing about binary WPS formats? :) 00.08.47 # Hmm....now I'm getting confused, I just removed the OF.bin file from /System and it still booted the OF fine.....is OF.bin actually needed? 00.09.00 # somewhat ;-) 00.09.03 # chrisjs169: Not if you're using a new enough version of sansapatcher. 00.09.30 # safetydan: I think we've just about hit the "agree to disagree" point. 00.09.31 # seems like some like it pretty much and some others strongly disagree 00.09.34 # bluebrother: I'm hesitant about it as well, but think that both the decrease in core code size, and the fact that it should give the fastest possible loading time of any method are good things. 00.09.50 # bluebrother, I think the first step of Nico_P's patch is just to clean up and improve the parsing code. It does change the internal "in memory" representation of the WPS from the original text file to a token stream. However, in no way is this user visible. 00.09.57 # I still think there are other options 00.09.59 # I think also that as long as the core binary is able to include the wpses that we include in the zip, that's good enough. 00.10.13 # safetydan: I'm not argueing against that patch. 00.10.14 # That function has to be present, without plugins being there. 00.10.37 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 00.10.46 # bluebrother, cool. Just checking as it's a bit hard to follow arguments across a days worth of logs :) 00.10.58 # Is there a page on the Rockbox site that deals with how well Rockbox works with car stereo systems? (Search had too many false hits.) 00.11.10 # bluebrother: As you know, I've also written a tar-file patch, and I'm not convinced that's the best approach. The binary-format-created-on-target approach means the WPS creator doesn't have to worry about creating the tar file. 00.11.23 # Not sure why the binary, on disk representation of WPS has come back up again. I thought that was dismissed as optimising the wrong end of things? 00.11.44 # bluebrother: And that means the original WPS is still more usable and distributable to windows users who may be clueless about TAR. 00.12.18 # I'd love to look into tar file loading but unfortunately I don't have the time ATM :( 00.12.19 # safetydan: It can be implemented in a way that moves about 5k of code from the core to a plugin, the code to handle text-wpses basically. Included WPSes could be binary, and loaded by the core. 00.12.28 # Hal9000: Which player do you have? Or are you looking to buy one? 00.13.03 # Hal9000: The feature you want to search for is "car adaptor mode" 00.13.37 # Llorean, ah, I see. So, every WPS not included in the build, would continue to be in the current format? 00.14.06 # I jsut bought a classic car I'm going to finish restoring, so for the first time I'm looking at good audio for a car and found many systems work with iPods. I'll be looking at car stereos first, then a player that Rockbox works on that would work with the car. 00.14.10 # safetydan: Yep, which Rockbox would transparently convert on load using the plugin to a binary file, so that on reboot just the binary needs to be loaded for faster booting. 00.14.41 # safetydan: Of course if they changed the .wps file, they'd have to reload the .wps, but no real cost there except a very slight inconvenience. 00.14.42 # Feels kind of icky... but I can't really come up with a concrete objection. 00.15.15 # safetydan: That's my feeling too :) 00.15.34 # It cuts 5k out of the core, speeds up boots, doesn't break compatibility with the existing WPS format. The only downside is that Rockbox depends on a plugin for non-included WPSes, and flashed Rockbox may not be able to load binary WPSes in a newer/older format. 00.16.41 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 00.16.46 # Lloran, those are all good (apart from the flash thing). But still... binary blobs are like sort of anathema to opensource projects :) 00.17.11 # safetydan: Yes, but the binary blop shouldn't be visible to the user (unless you're talking about the few WPSes in rockbox.zip) 00.17.15 # I still doubt it will be 5k saved in the end 00.17.33 # Anyone know... is Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 License suitable for use on WPS submissions? 00.17.59 # safetydan: I mean, compiling rockbox_default into rockbox.target is okay, but compiling it as it would show up in memory but storing it as a file outside rockbox.target is bad? 00.18.16 # Redbreva, blocking non-commercial use doesn't sound like it'd be compatible with the GPL. I'm not sure how license aggregation works with WPS's and Rockbox though. 00.18.59 # Llorean: in that case you don't compile rockbox_default into the binary -- you just provide defaults like e.g. for the settings 00.19.00 # Redbreva: I was about to say the same thing as safetydan, I don't think "noncommercial" is necessary. 00.19.02 # Redbreva: Personally, I think any WPS license should share the same spirit as the GPL. So as safetydan said, blocking commercial use is not OK... 00.19.13 Quit billytwowilly (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.19.26 # Llorean, external files are just more things to go out of sync. But hey, we already deal with that with codecs and plugins, so it's just a downside not a blocker. 00.19.33 # That's fine, just checking ;-) 00.19.36 # Redbreva: Although it seems that a lot of WPS authors don't have the right to license their WPSs anyway - they're using images (C) by others. 00.19.58 # nice, a "nothing to resume" hang again :( 00.20.02 # Which is a sticky area... 00.20.10 # after the playlist finished ... urgh. 00.20.42 # safetydan: Yeah, improper Rockbox installs will always be a problem, but since the default WPS is always going to be in-core, you'll never not have an WPS, you just may not have the option of pretty ones until you fix your install. 00.21.14 Join Vyrus [0] (n=Vyrus001@adsl-69-231-84-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 00.21.21 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-204-61.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.21.21 Quit Vyrus001 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.21.31 # * safetydan thinks of all those WPS patches out there that are going to break horribly once the tokenizer is comitted 00.21.42 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.21.48 # Indeed... No-one will upgrade for a while. 00.21.49 # * Llorean thinks of the same thing and smiles. :-P 00.21.49 # I forsee the death (or at least long sleep) for a lot of customised builds. 00.22.04 # Or a forking... 00.22.41 # noone upgrading makes less bug reporters ... 00.22.46 # a fork would be even more work if they wanted to backport interesting stuff... 00.23.08 # bluebrother: No-one upgrading unsupported builds. They better not be reporting anyway. 00.23.20 # I guess they would be no more "forks" than they are now. 00.23.23 # Well if someone forks, we'll just make sure that when/if WMA support goes in, it happens in a way that makes it very difficult to backport. That way they'll have to give up :) 00.23.33 # but users of unsupported builds will most likely stick to old builds 00.24.11 # bluebrother: they already do, some of these builds update less frequently than once a month... 00.24.41 # no wonder when they have 30-40 patches to resync every time :_) 00.24.42 # yeah, but I guess it will get even worse 00.24.53 # I don't think "not breaking unsupported builds" should ever, ever be an argument against something. 00.25.03 # safetydan: Do people still complain about no WMA support? I haven't visted MR for months... 00.25.07 # * bluebrother agrees with Llorean once 00.25.19 # bluebrother: We agree quite often, just not on this one large thing. ;) 00.25.26 # hehe :) 00.25.34 # linuxstb: They complain at MR, iaudiophile, and anythingbutipod often enough. 00.25.48 # but I guess there will be quite some discussion about that anyway 00.25.54 # I've been reading ipod posts too much... 00.25.57 # I found the part in the manual on the Car Adaptor Mode -- one question left: Will all players Rockbox runs on work with a car stereo that works with an iPod? 00.26.01 # linuxstb, actually the MR forums have been pretty dead lately. But I'm sure there was at least "Rockbox doesn't play any of my (wma) music!!!11" posts in the last week 00.26.16 # Hal9000: No, no players will, not even ipods. 00.26.17 # linuxstb: there was a thread with lots of exclamation marks wondering if we "did not support wma intentionally" I think it mysteriously disappeared :-) 00.26.54 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-41-252.dyn.iinet.net.au) 00.26.58 # there was this "the radio was left out intentionally" post on the ml today 00.27.19 # hmm so what would be a good period to update rockbox/..once a week?...or is developement fast?...i use a 30 gig ipod video and i had to compile the kernel with the cop patch 00.27.35 # HaSH: There's usually several builds per day, all of which may or may not have fixes you want. ;) 00.27.39 # If I don't care about handling the menu or playlist through the car stereo, is there a way to just play the audio back through the car stereo? 00.27.46 # HaSH:Keep an eye on the changelog on the front page, and upgrade when you see something that affects you. 00.27.46 # not that my opinion matter but I have to say I am opposed to the binary WPS idea too. Although the gains will be somewhat measurable, I still think it is away from the KISS perspective. It sounds weird to me to have to run a plugin to modify a wps to binary data. 00.27.47 # HaSH, cop support has been in the core for a few weeks now 00.27.51 # we should put that up on the frontpage: "We hace now decided to never ever support radio on h10 and wma, ever" :-) 00.27.52 # HaSH: Personally, a period of twice to once per week is often good enough in my opinion. 00.28.00 # have even 00.28.04 # HaSH: The key to remember is: Before reporting a bug, make sure it happens in the absolute newest version. 00.28.18 # although I am for Nico_P's patch that will make the wps code more readable 00.28.32 # XavierGr: You don't have to run a plugin. 00.28.39 # Llorean, ah well has anyone came up with a spiffy bash script to dl and build from the svn?...that would be killer. set it up on a cronjob. 00.28.42 # XavierGr: You click on the WPS exactly as normal, and Rockbox uses the WPS. 00.28.49 # XavierGr, I'm not sure you'd actually notice any difference as a user. If I understand correctly you click on a WPS as you do now, and Rockbox does the magic binary thingy. 00.29.01 # XavierGr: You wouldn't see anything out of the ordinary as a user, at all. You'd have no idea unless someone told you. 00.29.04 # yeah well.. it will be automated 00.29.20 # ive seen scripts that will do this...only for diff application 00.29.20 # HaSH, it's already there. The current build is always the latest from SVN. 00.29.22 # HaSH: "svn update && make && make zip && unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/player/" 00.29.32 # HaSH: There's no reason to build from SVN every time, every time there's a commit, fresh builds are made available. 00.29.36 Part toffe82 00.29.51 # hmm ok. 00.30.25 # Llorean: there could be a difference - in case you run a battery_bench at the same time (not very likely but who knows?) 00.30.35 # thanks for the info guys/gals 00.30.43 # yeah there is this chance too though that is way too rare 00.30.52 # pixelma: Yes, if there were a TSR active, there would be a conflict. 00.30.55 # battery_bench is more a debug/development feature though. 00.31.02 # except if more tsr plugins are made that are way too usefull 00.31.06 # pixelma: But this happens when you attempt to view your playlist while a TSR is active too. 00.31.13 # pixelma: afaik we ask wether we should kill the battery_benc plugin if another is about to start 00.31.16 # or get file properties 00.31.51 # reminds me that battery_bench should display a splash when interrupted 00.32.15 # are there any other tsr plugins beside battery_benchmark and the alpine cd changer thingy? 00.32.26 # not that i know of 00.32.42 # XavierGr: Be careful with that - I think the rule is that only the main thread should write to the LCD. 00.32.45 # ok guys ... I still vote for KISS instead of binary blobs, but now I should finally get some sleep 00.33.03 # guess this will get discussed for a while here ... cya 00.33.27 # linuxstb: didn't know that, but still it would be good to notify that the benchmark ended 00.33.30 # In one sense the binary blob is KISS. It simplifies the core in that it only needs to handle binary blobs. No parsing anymore. 00.33.39 Quit bluebrother ("'nite") 00.33.45 # if not on screen then on the log but then the user won't know until he opens the log file 00.33.55 Quit Frode_ (Connection timed out) 00.34.01 # which at the time will slap his forehead about it :P 00.34.55 # don't remember the details but when the tsr plugin is interrupted the callback runs code to remove the plugin thread 00.35.10 # I don't think that there will be a problem to put a spash there 00.35.17 # XavierGr: there is a message asking if you want to kill the benchmark or let it continue when you try to start another plugin 00.35.29 # there is? I don't remember it :P 00.35.34 # XavierGr: If the callback is called from the main thread, then I think all is OK. 00.35.46 # just tried it and it asked me :-) 00.35.46 Quit Redbreva ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 00.35.59 # been sometime since I worked on it along with Bger 00.37.05 Join aliask [0] (i=82c20d66@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cd54ccfe220a78ef) 00.37.20 # yup you are right nls 00.37.24 # * linuxstb was about prevent pacbox stopping music on the gigabeat, but found it already doesn't. Smooth 30fps emulation plus music playback... 00.37.52 # linuxstb: does pacbox not have it's own sound? 00.38.03 Quit Hal9000 (Remote closed the connection) 00.38.07 Join valiant3400 [0] (n=Miranda@AC96F5C4.ipt.aol.com) 00.38.09 Join Icone [0] (i=Icone@modemcable223.175-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.38.13 # hmm that splash won't appear when I look at the playlist though 00.38.13 # * nls never tried it 00.38.24 # hi guys 00.38.32 # hi 00.38.43 # nls: No, I never got around to porting the sound emulation parts of the emulator. 00.38.47 # Hey ! can someone show me a link who's explain how to instal RB on a Gigabeat F20 plz ? :S 00.38.49 # linuxstb: The gigabeat is just scary fast for a music player. 00.39.04 # Llorean: And the scariest thing is the battery lifetime... 00.39.04 # Icone: There's a link called "manual" at the website 00.39.08 # Yeah, I know 00.39.13 # That long at 300mhz is ridiculous. 00.39.13 # thanx :) 00.39.29 # linuxstb: it seems that playlist viewer won't kill bb, I remember hardeep doing something about it 00.39.31 # omg 300mhz 00.40.07 # my rockbox software on my sansae250 keeps skipping 00.40.11 Join webguest33 [0] (i=42444ee1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4de6bc9110ce5a33) 00.40.22 # can someone give me the link to adding patches? 00.40.23 # are the RB wun on 2.02 FW of F20 ? :S 00.40.27 # run** 00.40.30 # valiant3400: Sell it and buy a gigabeat... 00.40.47 # Icone: Rockbox is a replacement firmware. It runs on the hardware, in place of the original firmware. It doesn't run on the original firmware. 00.41.00 # Okay thx :) 00.41.03 # webguest33: See the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page. 00.41.12 # valiant3400: turn off eq/crossfeed/dithering and use a wps that doesn't have peakmeters 00.41.23 # i hope it will work fine ! :P play doom FTW ! :P 00.41.28 # I don't understand what you mean lol 00.41.41 Quit Icone (Client Quit) 00.41.50 # ok, read a little in the manual maybe? 00.42.04 # valiant3400: Which WPS/theme are you using? The default one or something else? 00.42.08 # thought I'd read all of it 00.42.19 # hmm I'll go see if I can find it 00.42.38 # Nico_P: why isn't your patch at FS yet? 00.42.51 # clues about eq/crossfeed/dithering can be found in the sound settings chapter 00.43.17 # oh one more thing, my wheel that I use to move around in there is really sensetive, if I just tuch it lightly with my thumb or something it'll move, and if I actually move it intentially it often skipps the one I wanna go to, kinda funny in a way, it doesn't do that on original firmware btw 00.44.02 # valiant3400: Rockbox on Sansa is still far, far from being done. 00.44.05 # XavierGr: havn't taken the time yet 00.44.10 # i'm on the phone atm 00.44.12 # valiant3400: The wheel and the display especially have room for improvement. 00.44.24 # ok 00.44.42 # Anyone know if the gigabeat will charge via USB when turned off? 00.44.45 # I agree with that, also we don't have fm radio and recorder yet 00.45.17 # Nico_P: I don't see a reason why not put it there from the start, more easy to refer, discuss, edit etc 00.45.17 # linuxstb: I don't know, but I suspect it doesn't as normally when plugged into an adapter while turned off, a charging symbol shows on the screen still 00.45.28 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 00.45.39 # OK, I've never unpacked my adapter. 00.45.47 # XavierGr: i agree. i'll do it when i finish on the phone 00.45.55 # nice :D 00.45.58 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 00.46.17 # Nico_P: but it seems that you are already good at multitasking :P 00.46.18 Quit webguest33 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.47.02 # XavierGr: I do my best :) but i don't feel up to writing the summary right now 00.47.37 # of course I am teasing you! :P 00.49.34 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.49.36 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.50.53 Quit ender` (" In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penisses) 00.52.04 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 00.52.20 Join Icone [0] (i=Icone@modemcable223.175-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.52.38 # its me again ( lol ) where the ''root'' folder ? :S 00.53.01 # for the gigabeat F20 00.53.02 # icone the topmost level of your dap's harddrive eg E: 00.53.26 # yeah i know but i dont have this folder 00.53.45 # Icone: it is that level, not an actual folder 00.54.08 # hum..what ? 00.54.13 # pv plz :P 00.54.35 # Icone: E:\ or D:\ or F:\ is the root folder. 00.54.40 # NOT E:\Root\ 00.54.46 # replace any occurence of "root folder" with directly to your player, not inside any folder" 00.54.48 # ahhh okay 00.55.04 # sorry because im french xD 00.55.47 # end...the gbsystem, where is it ? 00.55.59 # Probably hiding from you. 00.56.09 # You need to tell Windows to show hidden and system folders. 00.56.09 # Icone: it is superhidden 00.56.31 # thx ^^ 00.56.44 # sorry but im not verry good LOL thats my first flashing 00.57.01 # nobody has flashed a Gigabeat so far 00.57.08 # so good luck :) 00.57.13 # markun: Did you see my usb charging question? 00.57.29 # linuxstb: we can probably do it with our own bootloader in flash 00.57.47 # Icone: What markun means is that the install process isn't really flashing, just files on disk 00.58.06 # linuxstb: as inserting the USB cable can generate a interrupt 00.58.12 # I mean the problem is that my battery is low, so it won't turn on (at least, I'm assuming that's the problem...) and I'm trying to revive it with a USB charger. 00.58.16 Quit funky ("leaving") 00.58.28 # s/USB charger/USB connection to my PC/ 00.58.40 # I guess I should unpack the AC charger from the box 00.58.44 # how can i tell to windows show hidden folder ? :S 00.59.01 # linuxstb: hm, now I think of it.. it might be charging 00.59.27 # Icone: use google more :-) http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/tips/hiddenfiles.mspx 00.59.33 # as that's done by the power management chip, and perhaps it doesn't need the CPU to be running 00.59.36 # sorry xD 01.01.49 Quit entheh ("^~") 01.02.43 Part nls 01.03.23 # has anyone used the windows sansa emulator before? 01.03.26 # markun: Do you know how much flash the gigabeat has? 01.03.34 # Okay hum...i have aply hidden folder, but, the file FWIMG01.DAT dosent appair :S 01.03.59 # Have you done the same thing inside that folder? 01.04.30 # You also have to show system files 01.04.31 # yeah, for all folder 01.04.40 # Windows hides system files even with showing hidden files and folders 01.05.46 # and...how can i unlock sustem files ? 01.06.37 # OKAY 01.06.39 # ITS APPAIR 01.06.40 # lol 01.08.48 # night all 01.08.52 Quit Moos ("Quitte") 01.09.26 # linuxstb: 1MB 01.10.21 # only 1? 01.10.34 # well that's a win for coldfire and H100/H300 01.11.17 # okay, can someone help me in private plz ? 01.13.53 # or spell to me where extract the .zip file 01.14.00 # XavierGr: what would you want to store in flash? 01.14.07 # for me the bootloader is enough 01.14.10 # All the binary WPS structures... 01.14.17 # :) 01.14.20 # haha 01.14.29 # well H300 in the end will have in flash both rockbox and the OF 01.14.46 # poor H100 won't have that feature as it only has 2mb flash iirc 01.14.47 # whre i have to extract the .zip folder for the the Gigabeat F20 plz ? 01.14.57 # markun: Flashing Rockbox itself would be nice as well. 01.15.07 # Even if it's "rambox", rather than "rombox". 01.15.08 Join Frode_ [0] (n=Frode@213.167.96.196) 01.15.14 # Icone: to where your mp3 player is mapped 01.15.23 # e:\, de:\ etc 01.15.40 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 01.15.43 # okay thx, after its will work ? 01.16.14 # Icone: you wouldn't be the first to screw up the Gigabeat installations :) 01.16.53 # its quite easy with rbutil... 01.16.59 Quit aliask ("CGI:IRC") 01.17.11 # markun: is the gigabeat easily brickable? 01.17.20 # * linuxstb sleeps 01.17.25 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 01.17.25 # XavierGr: no, you can always recover 01.17.41 # nice 01.18.04 # but it might require opening the player if you screw up the bootloader 01.19.02 # okay hum...i have do all what im suppose to do, but rb dosent start :'( 01.19.25 # whoooo 01.19.33 # it's working now :) 01.20.00 # lucky...not for me 01.20.43 # Icone: did you try turning the Gigbeat off (and on) with the battery switch? 01.20.57 # awww not with battery switch xD 01.21.07 # omg im noob LOL 01.21.18 # don't worry about it :) 01.21.28 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 01.21.50 # okay hum... 01.21.55 # * midgey likes the battery switch instead of a reset pin... 01.22.05 # the gigabeat turn off alone :S 01.22.44 # the interface is not so beautyfull :S 01.22.57 # true 01.22.58 # now I am really turned up and impatient from my F40 to arrive :D 01.23.07 # loll 01.23.13 # XavierGr: it still isn't there?? 01.23.26 # Icone: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 01.23.27 # toffe sent it on friday 01.23.36 # I would expect at least 2 weeks for it 01.23.40 # who doesn't have a gigabeat nowadays 01.23.52 # ah, I was confusing you with the other greek guy :) 01.23.53 Quit _jhMikeS_ (Nick collision from services.) 01.23.57 # if only my H300 had the cpu in the gigabeat :P 01.23.58 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.24.09 # ah yes 01.24.13 # XavierGr: and screen.. 01.24.22 # markun: he got it, but he is now in the army 01.24.29 # yes, I know 01.24.36 # heu, my gigabeat do the same thing of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujpHLByi2ag 01.24.36 # he hasn't open the box yet poor soul :( 01.24.43 Quit ShaunES (Remote closed the connection) 01.24.47 Join windminstrel [0] (i=windmins@god.isadouchebag.net) 01.24.58 Join webguest664465 [0] (i=415fa52f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-af026bd8f8352531) 01.24.59 Nick windminstrel is now known as ShaunES (i=windmins@god.isadouchebag.net) 01.25.03 # hi 01.25.18 # i need some help with the database 01.25.35 # webguest664465: just ask (although I probably can't help) 01.25.37 # Icone: download fonts and themes for it to make it better 01.25.47 # also a backdrop could help on the looks 01.25.55 # but read the manual for these details 01.26.09 # okay :S 01.26.16 # hope its will work...:@ 01.26.27 # when you are used to it you will love it 01.26.28 # ok, when the database on my ipod updated for the first time it made two of each song in the database 01.26.37 # and then you will forget about the ugly UI 01.26.46 # but...how can i repair the backdrop ? 01.26.51 # webguest664465: try reinitlizing the database 01.27.00 # i did 01.27.00 # backdrop = background image 01.27.04 # Icone: you can switch back to the original firmware if you want to look at a pretty UI 01.27.07 # Icone: like a wallpaper 01.27.11 # Icone: read the maunal, things like backdrops are explained 01.27.11 # LOL 01.27.13 # but.. 01.27.20 # its do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujpHLByi2ag 01.27.21 # :( 01.27.31 # that's normal 01.27.39 # seems your installation is succesfull 01.27.41 # am i the only not seeing an issue in that video... 01.27.47 # you just need a bigger fond and a nice wps 01.27.50 # LOL 01.27.55 # ^font too 01.27.57 Quit valiant3400 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.28.00 # but...how can i work it nowe ? 01.28.16 # doesn't it do anything when you press a button? 01.28.32 # you can for example navigate to your music and play a song 01.28.35 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-69-238-95-190.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 01.28.47 # ah here is the Gigabeat surgeon :P 01.28.50 # Hi toffe 01.28.52 # Icone: I can't see the problem in that video 01.29.14 # but...how can i desactivate black screen ? 01.29.22 # press a button 01.29.26 # it still don't work 01.29.28 # is hold on...? 01.29.42 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.29.55 # aww nice :P 01.30.01 # thx for the patience :P 01.30.17 # and...because its the french week 01.30.19 # Merci a tous :) 01.30.36 # ??? ;) 01.30.49 # Icone: de rien 01.31.08 # tu parle francais :O 01.31.19 # The surgeon broke is test gigabeat today 01.31.29 # flash experiments? 01.31.32 # Icone: I'm learning :) (living in Paris) 01.31.34 # everybody speak french here :) 01.32.00 # but this is a English channel (luckily) 01.32.21 # toffe: you broke it? :( 01.32.24 # midgey: no, just a pad broke when I try to sold all the wire for the jtag , I have to use another one 01.32.34 # ah pitty 01.32.37 # i'm Canadian but I can't speak French :P 01.32.40 # Realy Markun, nice :D 01.32.52 # toffe: well that's why you are not a real surgeon :P 01.32.58 # what is the beter theme ? :P 01.33.06 # iCatcher :) 01.33.15 # yes ;) wait to see your gigabeat when it arrive ;) 01.33.16 # Rockboxed! 01.33.17 # * midgey like rockboxed 01.33.19 # ;) 01.33.20 # i still dose not work 01.33.32 Quit inversions (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.33.37 # and apparently I ignore plurals... 01.33.38 # webguest664465: maybe try removing the database files and start all over again 01.34.10 Quit Frode_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.34.23 # midgey: plurals or present simple :P 01.34.50 # how? 01.34.59 # webguest664465: they are in .rockbox 01.35.12 # for put song...can i use Gigabeat room ? 01.35.16 # just delete them (either with rockbox or with a PC) 01.35.17 # yah i meant that I ignore 's's 01.35.21 # Icone: no, you can't 01.35.33 # ok 01.35.54 # Icone: you copy and paste songs onto your gigabeat and rockbox can play them 01.36.07 # Icone: if you are happy with Gigabeat room I don't think you need rockbox 01.36.10 # Okay, what folder ? 01.36.14 # any folder 01.36.27 # realy ? lol thats pretty cool !:P 01.36.43 # what ones do i remove? 01.37.04 # webguest664465: the files that start with database in the .rockbox folder 01.38.09 Nick Aikon_ is now known as Aikon (n=root@dslb-084-058-204-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) 01.40.28 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d206-116-143-29.bchsia.telus.net) 01.41.22 # so my F20 will read video ? 01.41.42 # read the MpegPlayer wiki page 01.42.29 # okay 01.42.38 # and, mayby the last question 01.42.40 # but yes, it will read MPEG-2 video with MP3 audio. However it is still under development and some important features aren't implemented yet 01.43.05 # i read how to wsp ( theme i guess ) 01.43.21 # but, i do all what they said, and the theme dosent change 01.43.28 # battery restart ? 01.43.57 # no, you must be doing something wrong 01.44.01 # no need to reboot 01.44.05 # okay ? 01.44.07 # you choose "Browse Themes" and select a theme? 01.44.20 # hum...wait :P 01.44.35 # midgey: that would be too easy :) 01.44.50 # it should then say "Loading..." and "Settings Loaded" 01.45.15 # markun: here at rockbox, we purposely make things difficult for users :) 01.45.15 # thats just change the background color when i choose rockboxed ( for exemple ) 01.45.35 # have you installed the font package? 01.45.51 # the what ? :P 01.46.02 # it was in the install instructions... 01.46.03 # Icone: check the 'extra' download page 01.46.14 # midgey: people don't read that 01.46.18 # okay ^^ 01.46.39 # yeah i read...but not all :P 01.46.41 # i wonder why more people aren't using rbutil 01.46.47 # a guy at mygigabeat asked me why I pointed him to the Doom installation instructions instead of just telling him how to do it.. 01.46.53 # i prefer have help on demand...LOL 01.47.00 # I don't even know what rbutil does 01.47.11 # i wanted to try rbutil out and see how it worked when i first got my gigabeat 01.47.31 # you literally press three buttons and your player has been rockboxed 01.49.30 # hmm is there any way to do a power function without just multiplying over and over? 01.50.45 # (this is all with ints of course) 01.50.45 Quit webguest664465 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.51.46 # markun: using rbutils make things easier 01.52.41 # if you use rbutils, just select the themes you want and click install, is that too easy :) 01.53.00 # my .wsp dosent load :S 01.53.13 # with rbutils ? 01.56.05 # someone...my .wsp file dosent load :( 01.57.08 # I just crashed rbutil :( 01.57.21 # tried to preview a gigabeat theme hehe 01.57.35 # loll 01.57.41 # but, can u help me ? :P 01.57.44 # Icone: you need to give more information than "doesn't load" 01.58.17 # i push right arrow, thats say ''loading'' 01.58.21 # good night everyone 01.58.31 # good night 01.58.38 # night 01.58.39 # and thats stay at the basic theme 01.58.56 Quit cynicalliberal (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.59.01 # which theme are you loading? 01.59.19 # hummm 01.59.26 # beatMP 01.59.47 # i can show u on webcam if you want...do u have MSN ? 02.00.22 # no, and BeatMP rquires a custom build, it wont look right on regular rockbox 02.00.31 # s/rquires/requires 02.00.44 # okay 02.00.56 # Try loading Rockboxed; what happens? 02.01.05 # wait 02.01.16 Join JdGordon [0] (i=82c20d68@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-43b03c0229062835) 02.01.20 # same thing... 02.01.20 Join wrobbie [0] (n=rob@cm74.kappa84.maxonline.com.sg) 02.01.30 # icatcher? 02.01.33 # the background doesnt change color? 02.01.40 # did you install the fonts? 02.01.47 # (is should be yellow now...) 02.01.53 # s/is/it 02.01.58 # no...same thing 02.01.59 # :S 02.02.19 # and you're doing this through "Browse Themes" in the settings menu? 02.03.02 # omg...big but 02.03.04 # bug 02.03.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.03.25 # cant read... 02.03.56 # any sansa users in here? 02.04.51 # but now, my background are from beatMP 02.05.47 # lol 02.06.08 # Settings>General Settings>Display>LCD Settings>Clear Backdrop 02.06.58 # okay but...how can i load theme ? :S 02.07.16 # that just clears your background 02.07.23 # icone: did you install the fonts pack? 02.08.09 # no... 02.08.30 # then themes won't work 02.08.35 # I told you so before 02.08.49 # install the fonts pack 02.08.57 # and so did markun and myself, iirc 02.08.59 # okay :P 02.09.10 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip 02.09.40 # no thats good, this is instal 02.10.02 # install means put the extracted folder in .rockbox 02.10.27 # okay, thats what i do 02.10.33 # Llorean: you around? 02.10.39 # now when i clic on rockboxed 02.10.50 # my background go on yellow 02.11.00 # and my font is now better 02.11.14 # now play a song 02.11.15 # ok then done 02.11.18 # Icone: maybe you should just play around with rockbox for a while and listen to music. Come back if you still have questions after a week or so. 02.11.37 # * midgey once again recommends the manual 02.11.42 # indeed 02.12.28 # but, for the menu, i dont have theme ? 02.12.38 # what the heck! a "water-bridge"!!!! 02.12.43 # http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/Germany-Water-Bridge.jpg 02.13.26 # Icone: the menu consists only from the font and the backdrop 02.13.38 # so no you won't have funny icons and stuff around in the menu 02.13.48 # just a bigger font and a wallpaper 02.14.07 # ohhh :( 02.14.24 # are this is possible to have a nice menu ? 02.14.30 # yes 02.14.37 # how ? 02.14.45 # ah, then no :) 02.14.51 # haha 02.14.52 # I misread you question 02.14.56 # lolll :( 02.15.05 # Icone you listen to music in your mp3 player 02.15.10 # you don't stare at it 02.15.25 # if you want to stare at it I suggest to be in the while-playing-screen 02.15.34 # the menus will always be text-based unless someone codes an alternative 02.15.34 # or just use the official firmware 02.15.34 # Icone: there are a few things you can do: 02.15.52 # - wait for someone to add features to make the menu look better 02.15.54 # Rockbox isnt about the looks it is about many codecs fun plugins and lots and lots of playback features 02.15.58 # - help us making it better 02.16.08 # - go back to the Toshiba firmware 02.16.19 # LOL 02.16.40 # not thats will be okay :P 02.17.30 # XavierGr: you never saw a water bridge, there is one in my town in France wich is 200years old or more ;) 02.17.47 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.18.04 # toffe: I can't even imagine how it works 02.18.25 # how do they keep that much water up there for ships to sail? 02.18.58 # http://www.anpei.org/c3pageregions_005_edm_004_clateral.htm 02.19.09 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@ppp-70-226-78-199.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 02.19.10 # XavierGr: that looks awesome! 02.19.26 # I image with really powerful pumps? 02.20.15 # XavierGr: it is simple , like all the canals in the world, you need a reserve of water (lake) somewhere 02.20.49 # look the panama canal, there is a like in the middle 02.21.08 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 02.21.41 # hey this is near Toulouse ! that's where I study :) 02.21.58 # XavierGr: I'm writing the tracker entry for the tokenizer 02.22.03 # the canal on the photo which join the ocean to the mediteraneen sea as a reserve of water near Carcassone, from this point water goes one way to the ocean or other way to the sea 02.22.34 # end of geographic lesson ;) 02.23.44 Join zeth_ [0] (n=zeth@82-36-234-82.cable.ubr01.harb.blueyonder.co.uk) 02.23.45 Quit zeth (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.24.11 # hehe thanks for the info but still it seems strange to me 02.26.30 # http://www.canaldumidi.com/Geographie/Partage-des-Eaux.php 02.26.44 # look the drawing at the end of the page 02.27.18 # it explain where the water come and goes 02.28.01 # so it is like a made river? no pumps or stuff like that? 02.28.18 # yes 02.28.58 # because in the picture I posted it seems to me that the water-bridge draws water from a lower level and then redirect it down 02.29.10 # ^redirects 02.29.59 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6862 02.30.34 # nice work Nico_P :) 02.30.47 # have we got an outcome to the parser in rock question? 02.30.51 # or argument? 02.31.01 # JdGordon: have you seen my improved RTC code ? 02.31.23 # JdGordon: not really... I'm waiting to hear what the swedes have to say on this 02.31.29 # Bagder seemed to like it 02.32.26 # I rekon, as long as the user only knows to load a wps then its fine... 02.32.40 # but if the user knows there is an intermediate file then its no good... 02.32.47 # linuxtsb didnt like that tho 02.32.49 # anyway I think I'd like to commit it in its current principle and maybe build on that afterwards 02.33.08 # of course 02.33.16 # Yeah, one patch per feature as always 02.33.20 # * JdGordon doesnt have his usb cable here to test 02.33.52 # I just hope I won't get hit because of binsize :p 02.33.58 # not sure how much it adds though 02.34.07 # i'll have a look 02.34.07 # Llorean: you are here :) have you got your sansa handy? 02.34.31 # JdGordon: I just got back from dinner. 02.34.42 # Give me about 5 minutes to clear some stuff up and I can then dig up my Sansa. 02.35.27 # great 02.35.38 # Nico_P, looks good. Looks very good. 02.35.38 # Nico_P: yeah that rtc code looks much better 02.35.41 # Was there something that needed testing? 02.35.53 # JdGordon: and it doesn't crash :) 02.36.00 # Only question I would have is about the buffer sizes. Do we really need to support 1024 WPS tokens? 02.36.04 # always a bonus :) 02.36.23 # I would think 1024 is about correct... 02.36.34 Nick zeth_ is now known as zeth (n=zeth@82-36-234-82.cable.ubr01.harb.blueyonder.co.uk) 02.36.36 # some of them are pretty heavy.... 02.36.56 # safetydan: I had a WPS that used something like 600-700 02.37.06 # and the formatbuffer is 3072 02.37.35 # Well so long as it's based on realy world numbers. Would have been an easy place to trim some size. 02.37.54 # Nico_P: one thing I would suggest is reorder the struct wps_tag struct so the 4 chars are after eachother... might pack more nicely 02.38.52 # safetydan: i don't think it has an effect on binsize 02.39.00 # hmm... although hat may be very irritating to do 02.39.18 # it will have a tiny effect on RAM usage tho.... 02.39.51 # Nico_P, sorry yes. Misthink on my part. 02.40.21 # JdGordon: I'll try doing it... shouldn't be too hard 02.40.46 # na, dont bother... 02.41.19 # what is the sizeof struct wps_token ? 02.41.35 # 10bytes? 02.42.14 # I'm guessing 16 including padding 02.42.14 # 12 02.42.17 # you could probably merge the first 3 variable of that into one int... but that doesnt work so nicely with KISS 02.42.24 # just asked gdb 02.42.56 # JdGordon: Okay, I've got my Sansa. What's up? 02.43.04 # you got linux? 02.43.12 # sizeof(enum wps_token_type) is 4 :( 02.43.16 # is the flag member of wps_token used? Or are my searching skills gone off? 02.43.17 # why can't it be less ? 02.43.18 # JdGordon: VMWare 02.43.22 # Nico_P, yeah because it's an int 02.43.38 # safetydan: why can't gdb detect it could be a short ? 02.43.39 # Llorean: can vmware connect tot he sansa? 02.43.46 # gcc i mean 02.43.51 # JdGordon: Yes 02.44.07 # Llorean: cool :) can you dump the hidden partition with dd please? 02.44.07 # Nico_P, I think by definition in C that enum's are ints. 02.44.12 # ah 02.44.18 # JdGordon: With Rockbox installed, or an OF? 02.44.27 # either or... 02.44.43 # need you to get me 40 bytes from it... 02.44.58 # actually.. do you know whch OF you installed? 02.44.59 # JdGordon: You did know daniel had several copies of it posted here, right? http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html 02.45.08 # safetydan: you're right, I forgot to remove the flag 02.45.28 # Woo! Space savings :) 02.46.11 # bool might also be an int. I can't remember how stdbool.h defines things. 02.46.12 # sizeof(struct wps_token) is still 12 though 02.46.26 # I would guess bool would be unsined char... 02.46.46 # but if you could merge flag the bool and the tag into one it would get it down to 8 bytes... 02.46.50 # If you wanted to, you could probably do something dodgy where the top bit of the type field is used as a the "bool next" flag 02.46.55 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 02.47.00 # *1024 is a 4kb saving.... 02.47.44 # JdGordon: sounds possible but not very clear to me 02.47.48 # Nico_P: I'm a bit unsure as my coding skills are about nothing but IIUC you could ifdef out the backdrop code for mono screens 02.48.07 # JdGordon: Anyway, I can dump a clean 01.00.12A firmware partition if you need it. 02.48.08 # pixelma: which backdrop code ? 02.48.17 # pixelma: iirc, backdrop is enabled from greyy targets 02.48.32 # IIRC it's ifedef with LCD_DEPTH > 1 02.48.33 # JdGordon: that's why I said mono... ;) 02.48.33 # Llorean: a, thats the same one as barry so dont bother... 02.48.39 # Okay 02.48.41 # woops... sorry :p 02.48.51 # Llorean: can you test out a bootloader for me? 02.48.58 # * JdGordon 's brother has his sansa :( 02.49.12 # Sure 02.49.29 # Am I supposed to install it via sansapatcher, or the old method? 02.49.52 # any method you like :) 02.50.04 # you want the diff or the mi4? 02.50.08 # Well, does it look for OF.bin, OF.MI4, or an original firmware in the boot partition? 02.50.08 # Nico_P: lines 2507ff (but maybe I'm not reading it correctly and that's not an important part) 02.50.13 # mi4 would be best. 02.50.19 # in your patch 02.51.07 # how can i reverse the screen to the side ? :S ( if its possible 02.51.29 # pixelma: it could have another ifdef but that's debug code that's in an ifdef DEBUG 02.51.35 # so not very important 02.51.36 # ok 02.51.37 # Llorean: in your gmail... once its installed, turn it on with usb and leave it.. of all goes well you should be dumped in the OF without it rebuilding 02.52.09 # Nico_P: could you move that debug code into another file for readability? 02.52.09 # Icone: it's not really possible 02.52.15 # JdGordon: Do I need OF.bin, OF.mi4, or original firmware in the boot partition? 02.52.25 # JdGordon: wps_debug.c ? 02.52.28 # you havnt got rockbox installe dyet? 02.52.49 # is there any reason that wps_load returns a bool (which seems to be always true...) 02.53.00 # JdGordon: My Sansa's currently clean. 02.53.15 # oh.. hmm... ok dont worry about it unless your ready to install rb 02.53.22 # I'm ready to install RB 02.53.37 # I've done it about a million times, just the last thing I tested was sansapatcher uninstall 02.53.57 # ok then... make sure you have one of the OF. files in /System and install it with sansapatcher... 02.54.08 # Okay, I'll put OF.bin back 02.54.14 # detection isnt perfect yet so without an OF.bin or OF.mi4 you could be in trouble 02.54.28 # Eh, I'm comfy with recovery mode. :) 02.54.45 # same :) i think its faster to upgrade the bl from there anyway... 02.54.49 # It is 02.54.53 # No need to reboot into the OF to do it 02.54.55 # untill we get this usb detection stuff working proerly 02.56.03 # Hmm, Sansapatcher -a didn't seem to work. Hangs at the sandisk logo, lemme try a classic upgrade to it. 02.56.22 # how long did it hang for? 02.56.25 # how's the usb stuff coming? Awesome work by the way. 02.56.32 # JdGordon: Until I turned it off? 02.56.43 # like more than a few seconds? 02.56.50 # 20+ seconds before I held Power for 15 seconds 02.56.57 # ok, then it crashed :p 02.56.57 # hum someone, can i flip doom to the side with my F20 ? 02.57.10 # Icone: only with a custom build.... 02.57.20 # doom has an option in the menu 02.57.21 # JdGordon: Crashed, or the version of sansapatcher I've to sitting around isn't perfectly reliable. It's not the newest 02.57.26 # okay 02.57.33 # could be... 02.57.35 # but i dont see that option LOL 02.57.45 # anywya, i can play :P thats the important :) 02.57.55 # Llorean: anyway, this is why i want the verbose mode enabled if your gooing into the OF 02.57.57 # Icone: rotate by 90 02.58.57 # ahhhh 02.58.57 # LOL 02.58.59 # thx :D 02.59.02 # ur hot :P 02.59.08 # ... 02.59.24 # * BHSPitMonkey savors the awkwardness 02.59.58 # JdGordon: Alright, yeah, your bootloader crashes somewhere 03.01.08 # crap, ok 03.01.36 # does it work without the usb cable going into OF? 03.02.02 # oh.. haha woops... sorry, infinite loop :p 03.02.52 # That'll do it. 03.03.25 # sorry, new one is in your email if your game :) 03.03.41 # yourll have to use recovery mdoe for this one :'( 03.03.57 # actually... connecting to usb should get you out of the loop 03.04.31 # Okay, boots OF when USB is connected. 03.05.19 # ok, can you mount it.. copy something onto it then go back into OF with usb connected please? 03.06.22 # Well, upon rebooting the player into Rockbox, then trying to boot the OF a second time, by shutting down, and plugging in USB while turned off, it freezes 03.06.29 # JdGordon: I moved the debug code to another file, but somehow, #ifdef DEBUG seems to be always false in apps/SOURCES 03.06.58 # if I add that around my debug code file, it never compiles 03.07.27 # JdGordon: On the second attempt to boot, the calculated CRC32 doesn't match the listed CRC32 03.07.31 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.07.58 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97716.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.08.57 # JdGordon: And the CRC32 seems to be changing every boot or two. 03.09.29 # The calculated one, that is 03.09.48 # Llorean: yeah, sansapatcher isnt perfect yet... 03.10.07 # JdGordon: This isn't a sansapatcher problem 03.10.26 # not really sure hwere hte problem is :( 03.10.35 # I'm talking about: Sansapatcher a bootloader on. OF boots fine from RBOF image. Rockbox boots fine. Try booting OF a second time, CRC check fails. 03.10.49 # Then, every one or two boots, the calculated CRC is different. 03.10.51 # yeah, that happens here also... 03.11.40 # but the time it got into the OF, did it rebuild the db? 03.12.04 # JdGordon: Not that I noticed. 03.12.20 # I may have missed it 03.12.26 # I'm fixing my sansa and trying again 03.13.44 # JdGordon: Okay, testing it with OF.bin this time 03.13.50 # The database is not rebuilt upon booting the OF 03.13.53 # you cant miss it.. unless you have no music? the damn thing takes aged 03.13.59 # I have no music. :) 03.14.02 # is this with usb connected? 03.14.10 # With USB connected in the bootloader, yes 03.14.19 # awesome, then it works :) 03.14.24 # Once, USB connected all the way, second time USB removed right after the bootloader says "Loading OF.bin" 03.14.44 # Could you make a version of the bootloader with the CRC32 check disabled (or just always returning that it passes)? 03.14.47 # oh... the 2nd time was proabbly too late 03.14.56 # Too late? 03.14.56 # yep 03.14.58 # one min 03.15.11 # yeah, too late.. usb detection is fairly early on in the loader 03.15.18 # Oh, I wasn't trying to avoid detection 03.15.35 # I was trying to avoid the original firmware detecting the USB and going straight into USB mode. I wasn't sure if it skips database refreshes when going to USB. 03.16.06 # But I removed all my music since I kept having to boot the OF while testing sansapatcher. It still says refreshing, normally, it's just only for about 2 seconds. 03.16.32 # ok, this one ignores the checksum... 03.16.57 # startight after disconnecting, reconnect usb and elave it untill you get nto the OF... it should say "rebuild byte reset" 03.17.13 # But I'd like to see if it's the OF in the partition is becoming corrupted, or just changes slightly with every boot attempt. 03.17.37 # the OF should not be changed at all.. ever... 03.17.47 # We don't know what the flash loader does. 03.18.15 Quit Icone () 03.18.21 # Even if it's tweaking a single byte of that data for some reason it could change the CRC32 from the old precalculated one, no? 03.18.54 # yeah, but the crc is checked ont he actually bootloader... the flash loader should not be changing anything in that area... 03.20.27 # The CRC is checking the main firmware image right, and comparing it to a value we've stored? 03.22.50 # the crc is stored in the mi4 header... so we ccheck our crc against that value... 03.23.01 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 03.23.17 # Yes, but do we have any solid evidence the rest of the MI4 is never changed by the flash loader? 03.23.45 # no.. semi easy to check tho... 03.24.00 # we can dump the hidden partition in rockbox, so before the OF gets a chance to fiddle... 03.24.04 # Because either the flash loader's changing it, or our bootloader is. 03.24.11 # unless the flash loader mangles it... then we have no chance 03.25.00 # Yeah, see the calculated CRC32 was just completely different from the stored CRC32, and the OF boot fine 03.25.08 # thing is tho.. if that data is being changed (and its by us) we are corrupting the OF which is bad.... but I doubt it is, because I would assume the OF checks the crc also... 03.25.29 # did it say rebuild byte reset? 03.25.54 # Not that I saw 03.26.02 # bugger :( 03.26.42 # The last line is the calculated CRC32, nothing after that in the bootloader 03.26.51 # But it's booted up the OF three times, with three different calculated ones 03.27.21 # maybe our crc code isnt being initialed correctly? 03.27.21 # It's not building the database when the OF boots, at least 03.27.44 # Either our CRC32 code is bad, or the bootpartition is changing. 03.27.56 # Though I have seen the same calculated CRC32 two boots in a row at one point. 03.29.03 # But that was mostly my point, to verify that the OF still worked fine despite the CRC32 check failing, so we know at least that the OF isn't mangled. 03.29.30 # are you connecting to usb between retries? it only rebuilds if it was actually mounted.. and it only disables it if the usb was connected pretty muc as soon as the bootloader starts 03.30.10 # bugger... battery starting to run too low to work... might drop out shortly :( 03.31.16 # bed time for me 03.31.33 # cya Nico_P 03.31.37 # bye 03.31.44 # JdGordon: Yes, I'm connecting to USB between retries 03.31.45 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.31.58 Quit smolyn (Remote closed the connection) 03.32.09 # Let me write a file to it, to check 03.32.10 # Llorean: you want a version which can dump the hidden partition from rockbox? dump it a few times and compare them ? 03.32.30 # JdGordon: I'll just use DD 03.32.34 # AFter this other test 03.32.42 # if its not saying rebuild byte reset then its not working... 03.33.01 # no.. dd gets it after the OF finishes with it.. and possibly resets anything which we need to look for 03.34.03 # JdGordon: Okay, I'm booting the sansa by plugging in USB to wake it, and yeah, it refreshed the DB. =/ 03.34.34 # ok, must have some logic wrong... or yours isnt in the same place as barry's :( 03.34.43 # Okay, sure, make a bootloader that'll dump the OF image that it's CRC32 checking. 03.35.33 # righto... hold up for it to dump 03.35.47 # it puts it in /part.bin... so make sure to rename it between each dump :p 03.36.23 # I found it easiest to view the diff by running both through hexdump -C then use diff on them 03.36.47 # JdGordon: How many sectors is it supposed to be dumping? 03.37.08 # 4096 03.37.12 # no... 03.37.22 # 40960 takes about a min or 2 03.37.27 # Okay 03.37.34 # I was gonna say, it's at 25000 03.37.49 Quit ctaf ("Leaving.") 03.39.01 # anyone know a crc32 checker for linux? 03.43.20 # alright, im off... 03.43.27 Quit JdGordon ("CGI:IRC") 03.44.20 Join Noah0504 [0] (n=noah@66.141.90.76) 03.44.25 # Hey everyone. 03.44.30 Part Noah0504 03.45.54 # That's gotta be some kind of record. 03.47.03 Quit homielowe ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]") 03.47.49 # Wow, there really are differences between the firmware partition between two boots. 03.47.50 # =/ 03.48.22 # I was kinda assuming it'd be an error in our CRC32 routing 03.48.24 # routine 03.48.36 Join i6zl [0] (n=dublin_s@cpe-75-180-37-252.columbus.res.rr.com) 04.03.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.19.52 Part safetydan 04.20.56 Join marc [0] (n=marc@244.185.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 04.26.13 Quit |Rincewind| ("Cya") 04.26.48 Join DarkSoul [0] (i=Darkened@ylknnt180-177.theedge.ca) 04.26.58 Quit DarkSoul (Client Quit) 04.27.34 Join DarkSoul [0] (i=Darkened@ylknnt180-177.theedge.ca) 04.28.53 # Hello 04.29.51 # anyone alive? 04.30.35 # Dont all answer at once. 04.31.14 # if you need help, just ask the question 04.32.05 Quit marc| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.32.13 Part pixelma 04.35.50 # Okay I just got Roxbox for my iPod 30gb Video and I was wondering if there is any current suport for .mp4 via plugin or anything. 04.38.58 # .mp4 is a container format. 04.39.20 # It can contain many types of data. 04.39.29 # are you referring to audio, or video? 04.39.47 # Video. 04.40.06 # then no it doesnt 04.40.06 # None whatsoever, then. 04.40.24 # aww. 04.40.43 # Damn movies/video or games... 04.40.51 # hard choice... 04.42.08 # gah rockbox should be like ipod linux where you press |<< to activate it otherwise it loads just normal 04.42.25 Join BHSPitMonkey_ [0] (n=stephen@adsl-65-64-200-170.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 04.42.45 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Nick collision from services.) 04.42.55 Nick BHSPitMonkey_ is now known as BHSPitMonkey (n=stephen@adsl-65-64-200-170.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 04.42.55 # then code a patch to do so 04.42.59 Join jhulst__ [0] (n=jhulst@ppp-70-226-78-199.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 04.43.33 # * DarkSoul r c++ nub :D 04.43.53 # i can only do web browser crap. 04.43.55 # php and the such 04.44.18 # im hopeless when it comes to useful coding ;P 04.44.22 # you are incapable of learning C? 04.44.36 # Well, then just get used to using the existing dual booting functionality with Rockbox as a default. 04.45.31 # no not incapable, i just have no time to. 04.46.21 # I would have no clue where to even start to make something like that 04.46.33 # except notepad, thats where all good comes from 04.46.59 # not really... 04.47.12 # the build will fail if you use notepad 04.48.45 # Yeah no compiler :P 04.49.14 # Okay now i've got a serious problem. 04.49.23 # not for that reason...you wouldnt be able to even try and build with no compiler....i am referring to CR vs LF 04.49.29 # comps not detecting the ipod... 04.49.50 # * midgey had to use notepad in a programming competition... 04.50.04 # th the ipod in disk mode? 04.50.12 # Yes 04.50.26 # then rockbox isnt running at all 04.50.32 # other groups were allowed visual studio, so im not sure that we were given equivalent resources 04.52.49 # I think i need to restart :( 04.53.51 # Or not 04.55.02 # Hrml 04.55.14 # Wiki says that rockbox has an mpeg player 04.55.31 # "MPEG video player" 04.55.43 # MPEG1 and MPEG2 04.56.30 # I think it's in early devel right now. 04.56.38 # quite early. Like no audio 04.56.43 # It has audio. 04.56.56 # awesome. When did that happen? 04.56.57 # But it might be out of sync with the video 04.57.05 # Uh, maybe a month or two ago? 04.57.05 # it recently got volume changing too 04.57.08 # Don't remember exactly. 04.57.08 # oh right, that's it. My memory is worse than I thought;) 04.57.09 # And it doesn't refill the buffer, so you're limited to about 20mb of video. 04.57.38 # linuxstb is cooking up audio-video syncing 04.57.43 # do you have a ballpark idea of when default ipod movie capibility will be in 04.57.47 # Nifty. Any work on supporting other formats like mp4/divx? 04.57.56 # .mp4 04.57.58 # DarkSoul: Possibly never 04.58.02 # :( 04.58.09 # The iPod uses a special chip just for movies 04.58.21 # Which we cannot use because there is absolutely NO documentation for it. 04.58.25 # my poor borat movie will never be played though! 04.58.26 # the broadcom chip, I'd love that specsheet. 04.58.39 # sounds like some reverse engineering is in order;) 04.58.40 # DarkSoul: So convert it. 04.58.42 # someone should get employed at the Apple hardware department and smuggle us a copy 04.58.53 # yah, then you can't use that code... 04.59.06 # it also does all the 3d effects and has its own 64meg of ram 04.59.08 # Yeah but then i need to get some fansy ipod ripping tool 04.59.25 # DarkSoul: Ripping tool? 04.59.27 # and i cant find one that is free 04.59.36 # DarkSoul: If it's a video you bought from the iTunes store, then it's encrypted and Rockbox can't ever be able to play it, anyway. 04.59.54 # videora is free 05.00.07 # and will make various video formats into something the OF will play. 05.00.11 # I ripped the movie from DVD 05.00.26 # into... mp4 i think 05.00.44 # i dont remember. that was last night. too long ago. 05.00.46 # MP4 is not a format. 05.00.51 # MP4 is a container. 05.00.54 Part toffe82 05.01.24 # It can have a variety of different types of video in it. The most common for iPods is h.264, but other MPEG-4 codecs such as DivX can output videos they'll play too, I believe. 05.01.43 # So is the tupperware in my cupboard 05.01.53 # :D 05.01.59 # i thought ipods could play MPEG-4 video with AAC audio or MP3 audio 05.02.12 # Let me open the DVD ripper 05.02.12 # Yes, and if I said "I'm having what's in my tupperware for dinner" you'd have no clue what I meant. 05.02.28 # I would 05.02.32 # It's macaroni 05.02.33 # midgey: Yup. H.264 is part of the MPEG-4 standard. 05.02.39 # H264 05.02.40 # :) 05.02.48 # or beef stroganoff. Depends which tupperware you pick in the fridge. 05.02.58 # regardless of what's in your tupperware its better than my dorm food... 05.03.23 # Thats the only thing that the stupid program will rip to without crashing after every chapter 05.03.27 # :\ 05.03.32 # Never pay for thing 05.04.00 # WOOHOO! 05.04.19 # So anyways its Ripped into H264 Mp4. 05.04.23 # a torrent I've had in my download queue for like 4 months finally finished! 05.05.03 # and im guessing what ever video player for rockbox doesnt support H.264 does it 05.05.21 # Rockbox only plays MPEG1 and 2, as we said earlier 05.05.40 # *hits it till it suports what he wants* <3 05.05.57 # maybe more if we start getting more cooperation like the austria microsystems stuff on the sansa. It would be cool if broadcom opened up. 05.06.01 # H.264, also known as AVC, is part of the MPEG-4 standard. It's also very highly compressed, so even should some MPEG-4 support happen in Rockbox, it's not guaranteed to include the AVC part of it. 05.06.16 # billytwowilly: Broadcom is known for being quite the opposite of cooperative. 05.06.24 # yah, I'm dreaming;) 05.07.01 # So then my best bet is either 05.07.14 # 1. Rip my videos off my ipod and convert. 05.07.18 # or 05.07.46 # Don't bother until Rockbox video support is at least working to the point that you can watch a 2 hour movie. 05.07.49 # 2. Wait for Rockbox to be installed along with default ipod software and choose between which loads 05.08.02 # Even then, on the iPod video your best bet is to just boot into the original firmware whenever you want to watch a movie. 05.08.04 # DarkSoul: You can already do that 05.08.11 # you can boot the regular Apple OS 05.08.32 # i asked and someone told me i had to code that myself 05.08.44 # DarkSoul: You were told you'd have to code it defaulting to the original OS yourself. 05.09.01 # Oh heck naw 05.09.04 # i dont want that :P 05.09.29 # So im guessing rtfm to find out how to do switch? 05.09.48 # It'd be about time for you to be getting along to the manual, yes. 05.10.07 # but i love talking to people :) 05.10.19 # I read installing and playing music 05.10.24 # then i got bored 05.10.49 # only 100+ pages to go! 05.12.24 # DarkSoul: You could just hit up the IpodFAQ wiki page, then go to the manual for anything not covered there. 05.13.26 # ahh but thats why im here Llorean 05.13.49 # i looked around for video/movie and junk and i found stuff about converting in linux. 05.13.50 # ;D 05.14.18 # The only official stuff about video should be the PluginMpegplayer page which is quite clear on supported formats. 05.14.32 Quit midgey () 05.17.22 # Umm i cant find anything about switching to the original os... 05.19.04 # DarkSoul: Did you try the IpodFAQ page as I suggested? 05.19.11 # DarkSoul: It's also in section 3.1.2 of the manual 05.19.48 # DarkSoul: You could've found it by searching for "dual-boot", "boot", "original", "original firmware" and probably a few other terms. 05.19.54 # The manual and faq are long, i tried using serch functions 05.20.04 # i tried Apple OS, Original OS 05.20.08 # and things like that 05.20.43 # You'll notice Rockbox calls itself a firmware, and claims to replace existing firmwares. 05.20.48 # A solid suggestion that we refer to them as firmwares. 05.21.09 # As well, with the faq, it's the 7th question down, if you'd simply read the list of question/links. 05.21.36 # Learning to navigate the documentation will greatly aid you in future use of the software. 05.21.59 # The manuals not too bad, but the site's navigation seems backwards and confusing. 05.22.29 # Well, it is a Wiki, and improvements are welcome. 05.23.42 # Oh wiki, im looking thought the index -> FAQ 05.24.10 # DarkSoul: I told you, specifically, the IpodFAQ wiki page. 05.24.17 # Oh wait same thing 05.24.49 # I found out how to do it im trying to find out where in the wiki it says it x.x 05.25.09 # It says it in the IpodFAQ wiki page, question #77 05.25.11 # 7 05.26.24 # Okay i see where you are now 05.26.32 # i was looking through generalFAQ 05.27.28 # When someone says the "Blah" wiki page, they mean the page specifically titled that, especially if it's more than one word concatenated into a single word. 05.28.03 # You should, if they've typed it properly, be able to copy and paste the page name they've given you into the "Go to" box in the wiki 05.28.54 # I've never liked non-wikipedia wikis. :P 05.29.30 # Okay thanks for all the help Llorean. 05.29.46 # i think i've got a grasp on most things for now. 05.30.05 # :o 05.31.23 # Hey, now he's more a personal question. 05.31.44 # Nah never mind 05.31.52 # i've bugged you enough. 05.34.18 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 05.34.34 # <3 the icons for changing in rockbox firmware. :) 05.35.36 # Rockbox seems a little harder on batteries then the default though... 05.35.51 # it is 05.35.53 # maybe just because i've beem messing around with settings too much 05.36.04 # ahh so im not paranoid. 05.36.04 # no...it is a known issue 05.36.09 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@ppp-68-251-35-5.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 05.36.53 # I remembered reading something about SVN 05.37.16 # that means i can use my SVN thingie to auto update rockbox for me :) 05.37.47 # Only if you're compiling. 05.38.13 # :\ 05.38.17 # nah. 05.38.35 # SVN is a source code version control system. 05.39.48 Nick joshin is now known as joshin_ (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 05.40.34 # I got TortoiseSVN to update WireMod for Gmod10 :\ 05.40.47 # nothing about source coding there. 05.41.10 # Well i guess the lua's dont need compiling... 05.41.18 # i dont know 05.41.31 # lua is a scripting language, so no it doesnt 05.41.43 # well, i should say interpreted 05.42.23 # lol lots of scripting languages need compiling. 05.43.06 # Whee on a less nerdy topic. 05.43.19 # anyone see Flags of Our Fathers? 05.45.10 # DarkSoul: This is a heavy on-topic channel. 05.45.48 # okay then. 05.46.04 # then back to the nerdy chat. 05.46.15 # rockbox writen in all C? 05.46.25 # C, and various assembly languages by hardware. 05.47.27 # guessing it gets a little annoying when you have to code the same thing for like 20 different times for each mp3 player 05.48.16 # I don't think the same thing has ever been coded more than 4 times, so far. 05.48.26 # make it 1 big file with a million and a half IF statements to piss everyone. 05.48.29 # A generic in C, and optimized ones in SH1, ARM, and M68K 05.48.36 # +off 05.49.15 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@host.91-92-172-170.airbites.bg) 05.53.50 # * JdGordon finnaly back 05.54.01 # Llorean: did you dump your partion a few times? 05.55.10 # * JdGordon reads his email 05.55.11 # JdGordon: Yes, I sent you an email. There's definite corruption taking place, it eventually became unable to boot. 05.55.21 # The second email is the important one. 05.56.14 # the second doesnt have any attachments.. 05.56.50 # but even still those addresses are all well and truly past the OF program section... thats into the settings section iirc 05.57.07 # I'll experiment more tonight when I get mine back from my brother 05.57.17 # JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-03/att-0064/diff.txt 05.57.43 # There's a definite pattern to the modified bits, and they're the only place that was different, and the OF wasn't booting anymore, and the CRC32 check was getting a different number after the values there changed. 05.58.25 # the dumping code was barry's... not mine... 05.58.49 # Ah well. 05.58.56 # The bootloader was made for me by you. :-P 05.59.02 # 007810E0 | 01 | 007810E0 | 00 | is the database rebuild which we know about... 05.59.27 # The first change was just the five bytes (that one, and the next four listed), and the OF still booted. 05.59.33 # It booted fine several times, with the CRC staying the same 05.59.45 # Then the CRC changed, the OF stopped booting, and I got the dump that had the remainder of the bytes changed. 06.00.32 # yeah, all those addresses are in the NVPARAMS section, which shouldnt affect the checksum at all 06.01.47 # Odd. 06.02.18 # But when those values changed like that, the OF no longer booted, so there's something wrong there anyway. 06.03.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.04.40 # yeah.. hmm :p 06.06.47 # yay :) found my sansa... I can get some debugging happening 06.09.27 # Llorean: what program are you using for the diff? 06.11.13 Quit wrobbie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.12.30 # * JdGordon wishes he dumping was faster :p 06.12.45 # JdGordon: I have a program called HexCmp which is good for quick visual comparison of two binary files. 06.13.52 # windows program... I thought that output was to the console :p 06.14.06 # Sorry. :) 06.14.36 # how do i move the curson in the vkeyboard? 06.17.10 # Hrm, anyone know of a good linux cuesheet splitter? 06.17.48 # what exactly is a cuesheet splitter? 06.18.23 # Takes a single audio file, along with a cuesheet, and splits into several tracks based on the cuesheet. 06.19.01 # rockbox has cuesheet support now.. so there is no need for this... 06.19.48 # Indeed, but I still am looking for one. 06.20.11 # nifty. Sounds usefull. 06.21.12 # Llorean: it looks like is the OF corrupting it and not us... 06.21.19 # The OF is corrupting itself? 06.22.17 # I did 3 dumps without going into the OF and didnt get a crc error... first boot after going into OF it failed 06.23.09 # You had it doing CRC checks on the OF while still booting Rockbox? 06.24.02 # it ignores it.. but still checks... I saw that the crc was correct 06.24.15 # That's not the Rockbox CRC? 06.24.35 # the crc rockbox calculates for the OF 06.24.56 # I just didn't know you could see the OF CRC except when booting the OF. 06.26.13 # hmm? yeah, thats when its checked 06.26.19 # * JdGordon might be confusled 06.26.43 # Then how did you manage to check the OF CRC without booting the OF? 06.27.03 # i did boot it... I then dumped it staright after... 06.27.22 # I may be wrong... rockbox may be writing data to the 78xxxx section... 06.27.39 # no... its not.. its definatly the OF 06.27.47 # rockbox sure is getting pretty. 06.27.56 # What I'm saying, is you said you booted Rockbox fine several times with the OF CRC being fine, but how did you check the OF CRC without booting the OF? You said the first OF boot had a bad CRC. 06.28.06 # I'm confused about what exactly you tested. 06.28.15 # ah, yes.. your right... 06.28.22 # i dont know :p 06.28.31 # I might be doing this all wrong.. 06.29.21 # Heh 06.29.44 # I don't know, something's changing some data somewhere. At least we've got that much. 06.30.07 # Though the CRC shouldn't be changing from that data, you said. 06.32.27 # time for a new bootloader.... now we will be able to see the checksum without loading the of 06.34.47 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.81) 06.36.29 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 06.37.06 # Can someone explain to me a little clearer why the R version is not supported yet of the Sandisk Sansa e200 series? 06.37.28 # the changed something which we havnt figured out yet... or something like that :p 06.38.00 Join Aikon_ [0] (n=root@dslb-084-058-214-146.pools.arcor-ip.net) 06.39.03 # advcomp2019: Their bootloader doesn't follow the same rules as the bootloader on the non-R series, and we haven't figured enough of them out yet. 06.39.04 # Llorean: ok, im convinced... its the OF doing it not us... no question... they write something naughty after a usb which is more than just the rebuild byte 06.40.14 # JdGordon: So the question is why it's a problem with Rockbox, but not when the RB loader isn't present, I suppose 06.40.29 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp210-102.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 06.41.23 # dunno... need to talk to linuxstb or barry more... It might be something to do with its placement in the partition... 06.41.55 # I was thinking that might be it too. It feels likely, at least. 06.42.28 # Im assuming of course that sansapatcher moves it where its not expecting to be? 06.42.55 # Yeah, sansapatcher moves it in a similar manner to how we me the iPod firmware, I believe. 06.43.17 # We could save the 780000 area to disk before booting the OF, then rewrite it next time rb loads 06.43.29 # Seems a bit... odd. 06.43.44 # There's 20mb of space, I think there's a very, very, very large chunk of empty space we could possibly move the OF too. 06.44.16 # Has any one got close to finding out the bootloader on the R series? 06.44.22 # It may be as simple as sneaking it into a different area. 06.44.49 # it still doesnt make sense that the crc changes tho 06.44.57 # advcomp2019: I don't know what you mean by "gotten close." Since we don't know where we're going, we won't know how close we are until we're there. 06.45.27 # JdGordon: Are you absolutely sure the CRC check isn't including that area for some reason? 06.45.34 # o ok 06.45.52 # no 06.46.24 Quit Aikon (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 06.48.43 # * JdGordon getting some more debug output in.... 06.50.37 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.51.20 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 06.52.21 Join daniel1234 [0] (n=daniel_r@4.118-67-202.dart.iprimus.net.au) 06.52.54 Topic "Read this before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | gmail users who subscribe to rockbox mails: check your subscription status" by scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 06.53.12 # feel free to edit it in any way you see fit 06.53.24 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 06.55.51 # I am using the vmware image anyway I could just copy the zipped compiled build to my iriver 06.56.23 # is there anyway I could just copy the zipped build to my iriver through the vmware image? 06.57.54 # I'm not too sure if this is just my iPod/Computer acting up but... 06.58.14 # when ever i connect my ipod to the comp with rockbox active it doesnt detect it. 06.58.25 # i have to restart the ipod while its plugged in 06.58.44 # not too much of a problem really but just to let you know. 07.00.32 # I wished I read this before I got my Sandisk Sansa e200r then. 07.02.48 # just return it and get a regular sansa. 07.04.44 # I got mine at a CompUSA that is closing so I can't do that. 07.05.37 Part Llorean 07.06.16 # The e280r for $180. 07.08.09 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/0000000000]") 07.11.00 # It was normally $200 but got a 10% discount since the store was closing 07.16.58 # I do not understand this. CompUSA does not sell the R series. 07.17.55 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.18.17 # Then how did I get a R series from CompUSA. 07.19.16 Quit daniel1234 ("Freedom Chat - Your Home Away From Home | http://www.freedomchat.org | tIRC script by the Freedom Chat Leets") 07.19.16 # lame 07.19.42 # sell it on ebay and recoup 140. Then buy a real sansa;) 07.19.43 # advcomp2019: how do you know they don't sell the R series? 07.20.08 # or just wait a while till they hack the r series 07.21.00 # I looked on CompUSA's and Sandisk's sites. 07.21.36 # that doesn't necessarily mean they don't sell it. a lot of times stores don't have everything they sell online and don't have everything in-store that they show online. 07.22.11 Join fejfighter [0] (n=jeffro21@C-59-101-17-47.hay.connect.net.au) 07.22.38 # that's true. Irritating that no store has their website and store integrated in real time yet. 07.22.59 # o ok 07.24.24 # It's actually kind of funny to see what kind of crap software some stores are still using. I used to work at staples and they still run all their stock stuff through an as/400 and a dos like command line app. 07.25.59 # and their POS system is 100% windows NT 07.26.00 # Plus the box did not have the r on it, but the player has a r, and the box was unopened too. 07.29.37 # lame. 07.30.12 # ship it to a devel that doesn't have an R series and see what happens;) 07.31.42 # So while I'm here is there any suggested plugins I should get for an iPod 30gb Video? 07.32.37 # billytwowilly: Why did you say that? 07.33.17 # DarkSoul: all plugins come with rockbox 07.33.52 # say what? about shipping it? Because you want it to work with rockbox. if you aren't a devel you can't do it. If a developer has it they can work on it. 07.34.18 # so if you can find a developer that will ship it back to you in a month or two or something then you win. 07.34.42 # o ok 07.35.10 # scorche: really? looks like a few from the pluginindex arnt on my ipod. 07.35.29 Join std|away [0] (n=std_deni@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 07.35.45 # because likely those were renamed, not ready for svn, or deleted 07.36.03 # and they just simply havent been removed in the wiki 07.38.06 # okay. 07.38.21 # Oh yeah the pacman thing... 07.38.37 # just copy/paste what it says in the manual into a file... 07.38.56 # cuz it doesnt really make sence to have an md5 alone in a file, it seems odd for an emulator 07.41.03 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-b18131.alshamil.net.ae) 07.41.24 # never mind 07.41.42 # didnt check the wiki aswell 07.44.28 # Another thing, is Rockbox going to let you play music while charging the Sansa thru the computer once it comes out for the R series? 07.49.42 # yes 07.52.32 # I meant to say play music on the Sansa while it is connected to the computer. 07.54.29 # not while its connected as a drive... but if tis just charging then yes 07.54.31 # I'm guessing that the battery icon where the battery constantly is filling means its charging and then it fills and stops 07.54.41 # it shuold 07.55.20 # Yeah reading the ipod manual it'll say that its charged for the original firmware 07.55.42 # but thats only 80% for addition power your supost to leave it plugged in for longer to get the best performance. 07.55.55 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.56.07 # i was wondering if rockbox had an icon after the filled battery 07.58.40 Quit advcomp2019 ("Leaving") 07.59.10 # well i'll be leaving 07.59.32 # its nice to see that theres a firmware that's actually activily being worked on 07.59.45 # *after* the filled battery? 07.59.58 # unlike another firmware i could mention *cough*ipodlinux*cough* 08.00.21 # Quote the Zack : 08.00.25 # [12:54] it shuold 08.00.25 # [12:55] Yeah reading the ipod manual it'll say that its charged for the original firmware 08.00.25 # [12:55] but thats only 80% for addition power your supost to leave it plugged in for longer to get the best performance. 08.00.25 DBUG Enqueued KICK DarkSoul 08.00.25 # [12:55] »» Joins[#rockbox] LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.00.25 # [12:56] i was wondering if rockbox had an icon after the filled battery 08.00.36 # oops 1 line too many 08.01.30 # morning LinusN, do you know anything about sansapatcher or the hidden partition layout? 08.01.31 # you mean to show that the battery is full? 08.01.42 # Yeah 08.01.46 # JdGordon: not a thing 08.01.50 # ok 08.01.56 # For Apple Firmware 08.01.57 Join bwbass [0] (n=brian@24.19.247.192) 08.02.13 # it says its full when theres still another 20% or so it changes. 08.02.37 # what says it's full? 08.02.56 # you mean that the apple firmware says it's full? 08.02.57 # The icon in the top right 08.03.15 # theres a changing and full icon for apple firmware in the top right hand corner 08.03.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.03.21 # that tells if the ipod is charging or not 08.04.00 # if you read the manual when it says with the icon that its done charging in reality it keeps changing, because theres another 20% still uncharged 08.04.23 # and in rockbox there is only the animation, which is hard to see when the battery gets nearly full 08.04.46 # theres 2 08.04.55 # 1 that has a battery filling up over and over 08.05.04 # then 1 with the battery staying at full. 08.05.14 # I was wondering if there was another one after 08.05.18 # i was told there wasnt. 08.05.50 # hmmm, are you talking about the wps? 08.06.22 # wps doesnt effect the default "Do not disconnect" 08.06.33 # nor does rockbox 08.06.43 # Yes it does. 08.06.51 # the rockbox is different then the normal 08.07.28 # no, it is still the Apple disk mode 08.07.47 # LinusN: Do you have an iriver equipped with wires for current measurement? 08.07.53 # but it is the Apple "Emergency" disk mode, which the regular firmware doesn't use 08.08.00 # amiconn: at home 08.08.28 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b15f44.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.08.35 # I started a runtime test for verifying my ata sleep theory, but current measurement would be faster... 08.09.08 # amiconn: of course 08.09.13 # Yesterday I forgot that it's in fact simple to make the iriver not use its ata hardware poweroff 08.09.21 # Linus, it looks different, its grayscale, no red like normal and the icons are different, and the font is different 08.09.27 # its meant to look like the original 08.09.30 # but its not the same 08.09.34 # ...and then introduce the status read in ata_perform_sleep() 08.10.01 # Anywho 08.10.04 # like i was saying 08.10.05 # bye. 08.10.11 # DarkSoul: please listen to me, i am a developer of this firmware, and i own two ipods myself 08.10.26 # it *is* the apple emergency disk mode 08.10.26 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 08.10.26 # * JdGordon wonders what the heck the rockbox string s(and probably code) is doing where the OF should be :'( 08.10.45 # its not the original i dont know what the emergency looks like 08.10.57 # what ever its giving me i guess :P 08.11.04 Nick std|away is now known as noNickFound2 (n=std_deni@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 08.11.12 Nick noNickFound2 is now known as noNickFound (n=std_deni@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 08.11.20 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-34-33-145.asm.bellsouth.net) 08.11.24 Quit noNickFound () 08.11.40 # the biggest difference before rockbox in look of the "Do not disconnect" screen -> 08.11.44 # DarkSoul: rockbox doesn't yet support the USB/charging mode, so we use the emergency mode instead 08.11.50 # Before : Big red cross sign thing. 08.12.01 # After : Small black sign. 08.12.12 # is this a bummer to you? 08.12.24 # No I was asking about the charging icons. 08.12.29 # then it got to the differences 08.12.30 # :P 08.12.43 # DarkSoul: again: rockbox doesn't yet support the USB/charging mode, so we use the apple emergency mode instead 08.13.01 # yeah, there are comprehensive talkers here 08.13.04 # Yeah i read, i was in the middle of typing something so i wanted to finish it ;D 08.13.07 # :-) 08.13.42 Join noNickFound [0] (n=std_deni@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 08.14.00 # JdGordon: you mean the OF corruption thing? 08.14.07 # yeah 08.14.27 # Let me go out with a bang 08.14.29 # something is not right... and im going round in circles trying to find it :p 08.14.29 # Kick me! :D 08.15.37 # * DarkSoul badgers the bagder. 08.15.44 # damn im so original. 08.15.52 # * JdGordon wonders where the FUCK recovery mode went :'( 08.15.55 # * scorche thinks he should add harrassing ops in the topic link 08.16.16 # then again, it is against the freenode guidelines to keep op status 08.16.26 # Really? 08.16.27 # O.o 08.16.30 # * scorche coughs suggestively at Bagder 08.16.35 # They really want their bot to be used dont they. 08.16.53 # Built in bot adds with every abuse! :) 08.16.55 # ads* 08.17.00 Part bwbass 08.17.13 Mode "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 08.17.21 Mode "#rockbox -o Bagder " by LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.17.29 Mode "#rockbox -o LinusN " by LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.17.50 # LinusN: /cs op #rockbox -Bagder 08.17.51 # :o 08.17.51 # * LinusN flexes his muscles 08.17.52 # RAPE! 08.18.07 # scorche: oh 08.18.24 # Wow... 08.18.26 # [01:18] »» Error: Cannot Join #gentoo (you are banned +b) 08.18.41 # I never even joined but im banned apparently 08.18.46 # DarkSoul: you seem like a popular person 08.19.28 # They're just racist! 08.20.07 Join SteroidFrog [0] (n=matthew@124.181.140.151) 08.20.10 # * scorche takes pleasure in the fact that he taught LinusN soemthing today =) 08.20.11 # Psttt 08.20.15 # linus 08.20.21 # :-) 08.20.27 # //kick $me BYE! 08.20.34 # oops 08.20.39 # //kick # $me BYE! 08.21.07 # that is how i de-op myself too...that way, it doesnt log as a de-op in the IRC stats 08.21.08 # Now your supost to kick me.... 08.21.19 # DarkSoul: hush, you 08.21.43 # :( 08.21.58 # *sobs into a pillow* 08.22.06 Quit DarkSoul ("/suicide") 08.22.12 # bout time 08.22.18 # i wonder how old that guy was 08.22.19 # wth was that all about ? 08.22.50 # i see why he was banned at #gentoo :-) 08.22.53 # he wanted attention or something 08.23.34 # i am just happy i got a chance to flex my banhammer last night...havent used that for a while 08.24.05 # i was pretty amazed at how brazen the guy was... 08.24.06 Join std|denis [0] (n=Miranda@ws-80-68-252-11.rbc.ru) 08.24.35 # ooh, a reason to go read the logs! 08.24.39 # That was hillarious 08.24.45 # That was actually amazingly good. 08.24.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20070319.txt 08.24.51 # read till 07.49.40 08.25.06 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.25.13 # from 07:19:17 08.25.14 Quit SteroidFrog () 08.25.43 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.26.11 # the parser skims over the kick and ban messages, so you have to view raw 08.26.11 # * amiconn now has 3 targets laying side by side doing runtime tests 08.27.40 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.27.45 Part kaaloo 08.28.12 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@vhe-382201.sshn.net) 08.30.23 Part noNickFound 08.32.20 # scorche: nice ;) 08.33.39 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 08.39.58 # Control message (-110, Connection timed out) :'( 08.42.03 Join Shaid` [0] (i=shaid@203-214-15-161.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.42.48 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) 08.45.52 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.49.34 Quit EbErT () 08.50.08 # LinusN: I had an idea how it might be possible to improve runtime on the archos fm recorder and v2. 08.50.28 # shoot 08.50.42 # Uuic we don't use ata poweroff on them even though the hardware allows it, because some voltage measurements don't work when ata power is off 08.50.46 # *Iiuc 08.51.03 # Bagder: ping? 08.51.20 # amiconn: you have a better memory than i do :-) 08.51.49 # But those voltage measurements don't happen often, so if we would set the disk to 'power on in standby', then we could enable power, measure, and disable again 08.52.08 # For an actual disk access we would have to send the spinup command after powering on 08.52.18 # worth a try... 08.52.24 # I can't verify my theory because I don't have an fm or v2 08.52.41 # oh, more work for me... thanks amiconn.. :-) 08.52.50 # hmpf 08.53.30 # I tried to get hold of an fm, but somehow missed the end of the ebay auction. It even came with 1 year warranty, and went fairly cheap :( 08.56.11 Join bluebrother [0] (i=LsDAp1mu@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 08.57.51 # /window help 08.58.47 # JdGordon: please have a look at FS#6863 08.59.02 # later..... busy... 08.59.13 # it's the problem I described yesterday and I found a way to have this perfectly reproducable 08.59.38 # and it's quite annoying when the player locks up frequently 09.01.04 # Of course it might be that the ata sleep fix also helps archoses without ata poweroff 09.02.10 # bluebrother: I had that 2nd one happen on my iPod, and because my screen is broken I had no idea what was going on. 09.02.25 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 09.02.42 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.03.04 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@203-214-41-252.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.04.30 # need to go now ... hopefully this will be fixed soon. It's really annoying 09.04.31 # bbo 09.04.48 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.05.30 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.07.10 Quit Shaid` (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 09.09.44 Join thewho [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fd0cbb70d1922a07) 09.10.07 Join sikor_sxe [0] (n=sikor_sx@e180009162.adsl.alicedsl.de) 09.10.28 # hey, i'm using rockbox on sansa with great confidence 09.10.38 # but i wonder how to update the music database 09.10.40 # Are the precompiled binaries (Windows) of the rbutil available? Or does everyone have to build it from the source? 09.11.12 # thewho: A binary is on the RockboxUtility wiki page. 09.11.49 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan_a@217.23.173.156) 09.11.53 # JdGordon: You had questions about sansapatcher? 09.20.57 # hmm, clearly compiling a static binary for linux isn't as easy as adding "-static" to the makefile... 09.22.34 Quit Lynx_ (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 09.23.16 Join Vyrus001 [0] (n=Vyrus001@adsl-69-231-36-107.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 09.24.50 # GodEater: Let's hope the distros get 2.8 incorporated soon... 09.24.57 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@100.78.227.87.static.s-cy.siw.siwnet.net) 09.25.26 # linuxstb: I think a lot of them do - it's just mine which doesn't ;) 09.26.17 # I don't think Debian does either. 09.30.09 Join bun-bun [0] (n=bun@71-93-210-125.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) 09.30.34 Quit Vyrus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.30.37 # Any Ubuntu users here? Is wxwidgets 2.8 available to you? 09.31.10 # linuxstb: yes, now I see. Thanks for the reference. I was on that page but didn't find the binary since they are not listed in the "table of contents" at the top of the page. 09.31.27 # thewho: Feel free to add them... 09.31.31 # What libraries are needed to run rbutil? 09.31.51 # Will the standard windows environment be ok? 09.31.55 # It shouldn't need any external libraries 09.32.16 # linuxstb: yeah, 0x80000 is where is put the OF right? 09.32.35 # linuxstb: so everything is statically linked in (wx widgets)? 09.32.53 # B4gder: morning... 09.33.09 # guten morgen 09.33.16 # linuxstb: hehe: the page says "Two Screenshots of rbutil" and then three pictures follow :-) 09.33.22 # * B4gder tries his german impression 09.33.50 # JdGordon: 0x80000 contains a 512-byte (0x200 byte) header. Then the Rockbox bootloader MI4 image starts at 0x80200, then the OF MI4 image is written immediately after the bootloader MI4 image. 09.33.52 # * scorche would be interested to hear B4gder's american impression 09.34.15 # scorche: I'll save that for tomorrow ;-) 09.35.15 # ... ah, those are really two screenshots. But three windows. So I stand corrected. 09.37.17 # JdGordon: Which part of the firmware partition is the OF modifying? 09.38.13 # not sure... :( llorean and I had some fun dumping the partition today, but I didnt see anything strange.. its always well past 7800000 iirc 09.39.30 Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@203.205.119.84) 09.39.32 # 0x780000 is 125MB into the 20MB partition... 09.39.40 # ^0x7800000 I mean 09.40.02 # maybe one too many o's then 09.40.13 Quit bospaadje (Remote closed the connection) 09.40.42 Join bospaadje [0] (n=bospaadj@ip82-139-84-12.lijbrandt.net) 09.40.55 # anyway, We cant undertstand why the checksum would change.. unless our crc32 implementation is wrong, or not being initialised correctly? 09.41.02 # It is more than 0x80000 + 0x200 + (bootloader MI4 length) + (OF MI4 length) ? 09.41.24 # 00783908 09.42.01 # Is this with the SVN bootloader or the version modified to do USB detection? 09.42.03 # which is in the nv settings section and shouldnt affect the crc at all ? 09.42.28 # the 2nd... possibly with svn also tho 09.42.40 # have you got crc checking working 100% there? 09.42.48 # Barry said yesterday that he thinks the USB controller may be overwriting some parts of RAM. 09.42.59 # I don't have a Sansa... 09.43.07 # oh 09.43.39 # we need to buy linuxstb a sansa! 09.43.54 # It's OK, I have far too many DAPs... 09.43.57 # haha 09.44.18 # hey, you could catch in a bit on linusn's collection 09.44.26 # sif thats even possible! 09.44.40 # But then I'll have a to-do list the size of Linus's as well... 09.44.52 # :-) 09.45.09 # ;-) 09.45.43 # linuxstb: but im right that changes to that section of the disk shouldnt effect the crc at all? 09.45.58 # I've put a patch together that removes all the compiler warnings for rbutil on linux - could someone test it on Mac / Windows ? 09.46.09 # JdGordon: Yes, if that section is > than the sum I stated above. 09.47.11 # Do you ever get CRC errors when loading the OF from a file, instead of the firmware partition? 09.47.42 # FS #6865 if anyone is interested 09.47.48 # I dont tihnk so 09.48.04 # GodEater: I was just about to ask you to post it to flyspray.... I'll try and test it on a Mac later. 09.48.16 # linuxstb: thank you 09.48.57 # linuxstb: llorearn tried a build which ignored the crc check and after a few boots it corrupted his OF, so we were thinking that maybe the OF doesnt like being run from wherever it is.. does that seem possible? 09.49.11 # the only one I'm worried about is the warning in wizard_pages.cpp which is a warning about control getting to the end of a non-void function. I've made an assumption about what the default return should be - but I could be wrong. 09.49.42 # GodEater: there is no such thing as a default return value 09.51.00 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@121.45.176.19) 09.51.54 Quit thewho ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.53.37 # LinusN: I meant, what it should return if the check in the function isn't entered 09.53.42 # JdGordon: Have you calculated that sum? 09.53.50 Join tucoz [0] (n=tucoz@rockbox/staff/tucoz) 09.53.51 # That should tell you if it's safe or not. 09.54.01 # GodEater: aha 09.54.09 # linuxstb, ubuntu feisty lists wxwidgets 2.8 in the repos 09.54.18 # linuxstb: which sum? 09.54.25 # and that will be out next month 09.54.32 # JdGordon: Read the logs about 15 minutes ago 09.54.39 # there's a check in there which the function always assumes is passed, and that's the only place there's a return statement. There should be one outside that too to shut the compiler up. 09.55.40 # tucoz: Thanks. So it's not in the current distribution? 09.55.57 # no. I do not think so 09.55.59 # ah.. no.... but thats about 7.8MB in which should be well past both of the loaders... 09.56.12 # the OF is 5mb and rb is 55kb.... 09.56.54 # * JdGordon 's sansa isnt in a working state atm so cant check properly :'( 09.56.58 Join Stefan [0] (n=chatzill@89.136.181.105) 09.57.28 # linuxstb, it might be backported to the current distribution though 09.57.40 # hello again 09.58.21 # hi 09.58.29 # which of rockbox's lossy codec have a best performance? 09.58.39 # Define "best" 09.58.55 # i have another question: how do i use bitmaps in plugins? 09.59.25 # Stefan: there are numerous examples, try one of the games 09.59.46 # Stefan: You put them in apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/ and add them to apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/SOURCES. As B4gder said, look at the games for examples. 09.59.50 # std|denis: and it depends a little on what target 09.59.57 # linuxstb,on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ only 2.6 is listed for edgy 10.00.12 # and it is not backported according to that page 10.00.29 # * GodEater will try to get a statically linked version working today in that case 10.00.38 # tucoz: OK, thanks. Not good news though... 10.00.50 # linuxstb: and how do i load them into my plugin, and for 65k color display how should i save the bitmaps? 10.01.13 # linuxstb: mmm.. i mean: which audio format should i use to get longest playback time 10.01.41 # i have an idea of plugin - audio book with scrolling text. it's smth like karaoke 10.01.56 Join wrobbie [0] (n=rob@cm74.kappa84.maxonline.com.sg) 10.02.17 # how do i load them into my plugin, and for 65k color display how should i save the bitmaps? 10.02.33 # Stefan: Look at the other plugins for examples. The bitmaps need to be .bmp files, and you should save them as 24-bit. 10.02.44 # great, thanx 10.02.46 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.02.51 # bbye 10.02.54 # std|denis: As B4gder said, it depends on which player you have. 10.03.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.03.21 # iriver ihp-1xx for example 10.03.49 # hello, i wonder how to update the music database 10.04.29 # i put music on my sansa and it is recognized by the original firmware, however it does not show up in rockbox database 10.04.31 # std|denis: I doubt there is much difference between the various formats - the biggest factor would be bitrate. Lower bitrates mean less disk reading, so longer battery lifetime. So choose a codec that sounds good at low bitrates to your ears. 10.04.51 # sikor_sxe: What format is the music? MP3, WMA, ... 10.05.02 # mp3 10.05.15 # And you've followed the instructions in the manual for using the database? 10.05.30 # linuxstb: thanx 10.06.12 # linuxstb: uhm, to be honest: no 10.06.25 # when rockbox was started, it just worked 10.09.14 # hmm 10.09.18 # that is a blurb we can use: 'when rockbox was started, it just worked' :-D 10.09.21 # how do i get to the database menu? 10.09.28 # sikor_sxe: There is an option "update now" somewhere in the settings menus. You probably need to run that. Or enable the options the enable database auto-updating. 10.09.33 # jhMikeS: Thanks for the playback swap work. 10.09.49 # sikor_sxe: It will be somewhere under Settings. 10.09.50 Join _Amblin [0] (n=Osiris@udp124072uds.hawaiiantel.net) 10.09.50 # ahh got it 10.09.52 # damn 10.10.25 # didn't spot that 10.10.46 # Why oh why don't we have svn revision property changes enabled? I really want to change that commit message that came about from lack of sleep and too much cold medicine. :P 10.11.00 # Mmm, cold medicine..... 10.11.21 Quit oKtosiTe (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.11.21 # Which bit is wrong... flattening? 10.11.22 # <_Amblin> < 100k, removing 10.12.37 # I don't have a player of any kind at the moment, but it's one job I was meaning to do some time. 10.13.22 # It had to be done. Too much wasted memory. 10.14.04 # huh! 10.14.30 # now *only* my new mp3s show in the database 10.14.42 # the old ones don't 10.14.51 # Next thing that has to go is the malloc buffer. amiconn suggested using the remaining space in the codec buffer but I'm wondering if that's always enough even if we have a functioning free 10.14.51 # sikor_sxe: Force an initialization 10.15.02 Quit Stefan ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]") 10.16.16 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@ppp-68-251-35-5.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 10.16.35 # jhMikeS: I think it would be a good idea to combine the codec buffer with the codec malloc buffer, but I don't know how much we could decrease the combined size by... 10.16.42 # jhMikeS: IMHO, one thing for the future should be the total seperation of buffering (as in disk -> buffer) and playback (buffer->PCM). These should be able to run freely and much more simply. 10.16.54 # pondlife: thanks, works now 10.17.43 # linuxstb: surely the overhead could be cut to less than the current 512KB :) Maybe the codec buffer would only need to be say 100KB larger 10.18.54 # jhMikeS: Yes, I'm sure it can be less, but I'm just saying I don't know by how much... Lear may be a good person to talk to, as he's the main person working on both vorbis and AAC, which I think are the most memory-hungry codecs. 10.19.16 # IIRC he was after more memory for vorbis :( 10.20.02 # Was that just for files encoded with very old encoders? 10.20.09 # well, vorbis runs on an iFP with only a 100K malloc buffer but it has a simple free mechanism which is basically a stack. not sure if it still overflows 10.20.18 Part tucoz 10.20.51 # I don't know much if anything, but there are some vorbis file types we don't currently support because they would need more memory. 10.20.56 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@host-144-219.ch.le.ac.uk) 10.21.04 # And there may have been a plan to add this support 10.21.39 # there's more than one vorbis filetype ? 10.21.57 # pondlife: and what does "total separation" mean? thinking about this tells me the "layers" are rather thin at that 10.22.13 # GodEater: IIRC, it's just different versions of the encoder generated files with different memory requirements to decode. 10.22.28 # It may have improved but when I last looked, there were many dependencies between the buffering and playback parts. 10.23.02 # The buffering shared a thread and so had to have a way to abort and resume from the right place.... it could be much simpler. 10.23.05 # Anyone know if any of the students applying to the SoC expressed an interest in the playback engine? 10.23.14 # imo, worse dependencies are things with playlists and now cuesheets 10.23.40 # linuxstb: none of the two current applications do 10.24.02 # jhMikeS: Those are just common inputs to the buffering and playback threads, no? 10.24.04 # pondlife: buffer shars a thread with what? you mean the audio thread doing it? 10.24.12 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 10.24.23 # linuxstb: does ipodpatcher allow you to install on a 2nd Gen Nano ? 10.24.42 # jhMikeS: I've not looked for months, but doesn't the buffering take place on the UI thread? 10.24.48 # no 10.24.53 # * linuxstb wonders what "interested in removing the current wps display system and creating one which allows for customization of the playing screen," means... 10.24.53 # Which thread then? 10.25.00 # audio 10.25.28 # linuxstb: deleting the current wps code, sitting on it for a couple of months, and then resubmitting it for an easy $4500 ? 10.25.32 # audio also deals with playback/de-buffering, right? 10.25.39 # yes 10.25.39 # GodEater: No, the firmware layout is very slightly different. ipodpatcher shouldn't detect the 2nd gen Nano as a ipod. 10.25.48 # linuxstb: register as a mentor and you can participate in commenting the applications ;-) 10.25.49 # no, codec thrad de-buffers 10.25.56 # OK. 10.26.03 # linuxstb: in that case I've no clue how the genius in the apple forum has managed to "install rockbox" on his 2nd gen. 10.26.16 # audio thread writes to it, codec thread reads from it 10.26.39 # Well there's some shared variables that are likely causing the current problems when the track detail buffers wrap. 10.27.04 # It's really not simple at the moment - the interfaces need to be tighter. 10.27.10 # probably, it should be cleanly queued 10.27.18 # GodEater: maybe confusion with 2GB and 2nd gen? 10.27.37 # Basically, I mean playback.c should be split into audio and codec halves, with no shared vars. 10.27.52 # B4gder: What are the start and end dates of the SoC period? 10.28.06 # I don't know really 10.28.22 # mmmm...some will be cause they're using the same buffer :) 10.28.22 # linuxstb: he really says "2nd gen" one time 10.28.45 # markun: Yes, but he also says "Rockbox worked for 5 minutes" - one of the two is wrong... 10.28.51 # yes :) 10.29.19 Join mattzz [0] (i=c19fe442@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e8573860b855585a) 10.30.27 # linuxstb: well his first post explicitly says "2nd gen" 10.30.37 # Every iteration of cleanup brings it closer to. Really don't think it needs a scratch rewrite. At least revisions are testable incrementally that way. 10.31.02 # GodEater: People have also confused Nano and Mini in the past... 10.31.13 # true 10.31.39 # Just point him to the "my install went wrong" thread and see what he says... 10.31.59 # It should be ready to add using multiple voice codecs and removing the need to reboot when a voice file is first added. 10.32.25 # linuxstb: done 10.33.53 # Even now I can see it shouldn't be too tricky to clean up buffering and put metadata there. 10.36.02 # March 24: Student application deadline 10.36.11 # 4 days to go 10.44.17 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.46.10 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9a4a.ucd.ie) 10.46.46 # Morning all! Which header file has the prototype for memcpy? I've got an unflickering LCD driver for the Sansa nearly ready to go... 10.47.44 # dan_a: isnt it somewhere in the common directory? 10.47.54 Join phoenix16 [0] (n=phoenix1@p54a5e6c1.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.48.18 # Hello there. 10.48.52 # mattzz: The code is, but I can't find the .h to include 10.48.57 # Hi phoenix16 10.49.01 # pondlife: think it's time to move codec management elsewhere? codecs.c? 10.50.14 # hi dan_a 10.50.27 # Hi barrywardell 10.50.34 # did you see toni1's solution for the other lcd problem? 10.51.03 # it was crashing if you did an lcd_init() while the dma was in progress 10.51.28 # I saw that - I'm planning to include those changes in my update 10.51.28 # he put a patch up in the tracker 10.51.32 # grea 10.51.33 # t 10.51.57 # (although I think they should be moved inside lcd_init_device) 10.52.08 # yes, I agree with that 10.52.10 # Quick question: I didn't notice it in the plugins, but have I overlooked an .avi player for rockbox? 10.52.29 # phoenix16: there is no avi player. rockbox only plays mpeg2 files 10.52.30 # jhMikeS: Yes, I guess so. 10.53.19 # I think the important thing is to make the buffering and un-buffering independent just to simplify interactions there. 10.53.21 # Ah buggery. Lots of coverting to be done then... 10.53.30 # dan_a: from what I see the prototype of memcp is also in common/memcpy.c 10.54.18 # barrywardell: did you see the patch I put submitted to the tracker regarding sansa battery handling? 10.54.50 # mattzz: According to Google, it looks like it should be in string.h 10.55.25 # mattzz: no, i'll have a look 10.57.11 # firmware/include/string.h 10.57.17 # firmware/include/string.h 10.57.33 # dan_a: oops. 10.58.31 # pondlife: and by unbuffering you mean reading the buffer, right? 10.59.41 # we have 3 applications now 11.00.10 # if you're a mentor, consider going there and submit your interest 11.00.22 # hmm - I think I need a static version of wxWindows in order to get a statically linked rbutil. The trouble is I see no option in wxGTK for building it statically =/ 11.00.46 # --disable-shared (with configure) 11.01.39 Quit _Amblin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.02.19 # haha - I was looking for --enable-static ! 11.02.30 # phoenix16: Read this page before converting videos - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 11.02.45 # GodEater: there's such a one too generally 11.02.59 # but a libtool project typically builds both shared and static 11.03.49 Quit pondlife (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.03.58 # GodEater: Maybe adding "-static" to the wx-config calls in the Makefile will help. 11.04.13 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 11.04.25 # jhMikeS: Sorry, Miranda keeps dying on me 11.04.50 # Yes, I mean seperating the buffer filling and reading more. 11.04.54 # pondlife: ok 11.05.24 # In particular the current buffer filling code could be simplified, before we worry about metadata... 11.05.41 # They do have to share variables though but I'm not sure if you mean having a "dumb" buffer layer or something 11.05.45 # linuxstb: I tried that - all I got was a massive screenful of linker errors due to missing symbols 11.06.08 Quit marc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.06.18 # I mean to expose a minimal set of get_x routines from the buffering half. 11.06.35 Join marc| [0] (n=marc@244.185.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 11.06.44 # B4gder: I tried a ./configure --help | grep static and no such option showed up - I didn't think to look for it's opposite 11.06.45 # There's no need for the playback part to update the current buffering details. 11.08.01 # refer me something in particular as an example of what you mean, just one function 11.08.24 # I don't