--- Log for 27.01.108 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 13 hours ago 00.00.27 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.01.01 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-160-247.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.02.27 Quit Axio_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.07.09 Quit m0f0x__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.08.05 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 00.09.56 Quit petur ("gonne") 00.12.40 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B060E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.13.42 Quit crashd_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.13.45 Join crashd_ [0] (i=foobar@lostnode.org) 00.16.08 # You guys are still having problems reverse engineering the Creative Zen Vision M, right? 00.16.12 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.19.05 # some progress has been made but no code runs yet 00.19.32 # Well... I have one that runs with a busted screen... 00.19.40 # Thinking about donating it to the cause... 00.20.23 # for that you should go to the dedicated thread in the forums 00.20.54 # Okay... I didn't know where to go... Thanks! ^.^ 00.21.04 # "new ports" section 00.21.16 # ? 00.21.35 # Why new ports? 00.21.42 # Because it is a new port? 00.22.13 # Well... 00.22.15 # Maybe... 00.22.19 # It is 00.22.36 # Rockbox does not run on it, therefore an attempt to port rockbox to it is a new port 00.22.46 # Okay... 00.22.50 # I think I get it.. 00.22.52 # What else is it? 00.23.23 # I don't know... That's why I came here... I'm trying to find a good home for my mp3 player... 00.23.37 # Trust me, it is a new port 00.23.39 # To see if it could help you guys get a port sooner... 00.23.46 # Okay... I believe you... ^.^ 00.23.47 # And help is appreciated :) 00.24.32 # I'm not very good with the coding, and definitely not good with the hardware, but I'm not going to be able to use it any more, so if one of your developers could use it, then I'm all for it... 00.24.43 # It wouldn't have died in vain... 00.25.19 # There are some guys working on a new port of rockbox to the Zen Vision M, and it is they who would likely benefit from your kind offer. All their efforts are currently documented in the Zen Vision M thread in the New Ports forum, so if you post there asking if they would like it/if it would help, then they will be able to let you know :) 00.25.50 # Okay... Thanks for the info! ^.^ 00.25.57 # I'll head over there now... 00.26.03 # Cheers :) 00.27.37 Join m0f0x__ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-24-11.dsl.telesp.net.br) 00.28.13 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host143-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 00.29.22 Quit desowin () 00.30.52 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.32.30 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-24-60-113-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 00.33.37 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-55ce9babc2038ecd) 00.36.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.38.21 Quit m0f0x_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.42.45 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.44.23 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 00.47.18 Join moos [0] (n=moos@m253.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 00.58.07 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 01.01.21 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.06.16 Join Benjg [0] (n=519ea0fc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3bdeaa218a8af16f) 01.06.22 # hi all 01.06.27 Nick feisar_ is now known as feisar (i=jljhook@noppakerho.com) 01.06.32 # Can someone help me out? 01.06.46 # Only if you ask a question 01.06.51 # I am trying to get loader 2 on my ipod 01.06.58 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.06.59 # using this tut 01.07.07 # We do not support loader 2 01.07.10 # http://www.ipodhacking.com/wiki/index.php/Install_Loader2 01.07.20 # We only support the official rockbox software 01.07.23 # And it does not work 01.07.25 # Oh 01.07.41 # I just thought you guys might know how to get it working 01.07.51 # It is not our software, ask the iPodlinux people how to use it 01.07.59 # Ok 01.14.25 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.14.26 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 01.18.08 Quit Benjg ("CGI:IRC") 01.19.12 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 01.26.59 # is there some way to convert an entire folder from flac to mp3? I have approx 100 gb with flac, so it would be nice to convert all of it without human interference... 01.27.20 # Windows? 01.27.35 # there are plenty of programs to do that, but they are all a bit offtopic for this channel 01.27.42 # filthpig: Try foobar2000 01.27.50 # from linux that would be just a simple command line script 01.27.51 # But yeah, OT 01.30.15 # ah, sorry 01.32.45 Quit moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.37.27 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-332725.home.otenet.gr) 01.38.26 # Slasheri, can I pm you? 01.41.19 Quit ender` (" Where python would say you can skin a cat with a knife, so adding other methods would just make the language hard to learn,") 01.42.36 Join I [0] (n=519ea0fc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5fa42a358653ab7a) 01.42.54 # help 01.43.27 # look 01.43.35 # I did the bootloader 01.43.40 # but the rockbox file name 01.43.44 # was not .rockbox 01.43.53 # so now my ipod is stuck on the apple logo 01.43.56 # no disk mode 01.43.57 # I: just unzip rockbox.zip onto your player 01.43.58 # or nothing 01.44.00 Quit I (Nick collision from services.) 01.44.14 # hm, don't know how to enter disk mode on an ipod 01.44.20 # maybe it's in the manual 01.44.34 # search for it or wait for someone who knows 01.44.49 # he quit from someone with the mane I 01.44.52 # name 01.44.58 # oops :) 01.47.03 Join I [0] (n=519ea0fc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cafad7898f42c14a) 01.47.41 # I: welcome back 01.48.35 # Thanks 01.49.00 Quit I (Nick collision from services.) 01.49.16 # haha :) 01.49.27 # I: hold menu+select to reset, then immediately hold select+play/pause 01.49.46 # ...as it says in the manual 01.49.49 # scorche|sh: he's gone man 01.50.11 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.") 01.50.27 # oops :) 01.54.15 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.54.22 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955EF44.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.57.56 Join DrDnar [0] (n=DrDnar@cmu-24-35-93-16.mivlmd.cablespeed.com) 01.58.23 Quit eigma (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.58.46 Quit midgey (Remote closed the connection) 02.01.35 # i suck 02.01.37 Part scorche|sh 02.02.12 Join scorche|sh [50] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 02.02.41 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 02.02.45 Kick (#rockbox midkay :scorche|sh) by scorche|sh!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche 02.02.52 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m253.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 02.02.58 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 02.05.45 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.07.57 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 02.09.45 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 02.11.31 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 02.17.05 Part pixelma 02.26.35 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 02.27.14 Quit filthpig () 02.36.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.37.08 Quit Evilnick (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.43.26 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-6-228.dsl.telesp.net.br) 02.50.29 Quit midgey () 02.50.44 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-6-248.dsl.telesp.net.br) 02.53.47 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 02.54.29 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B060E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.55.20 Quit m0f0x__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.55.41 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.55.49 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B060E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.02.46 Quit m0f0x_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.17.54 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 03.19.58 Quit dandin1 () 03.20.10 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-67-64-105-154.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 03.20.54 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.21.09 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955C117.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.21.15 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.23.19 Quit BHSPitLappy (Client Quit) 03.26.33 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-9-249.dsl.telesp.net.br) 03.31.21 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.36.20 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.36.35 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.36.38 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-205-102.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.37.57 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.38.34 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-208-112.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.39.49 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@216.48.162.210) 03.40.44 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.40.48 Join DerDom2 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-213-229.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.40.58 Nick DerDom2 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-213-229.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.42.43 Quit ol_schoola (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.43.10 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.44.11 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 03.44.26 Quit ol_schoola (Client Quit) 03.50.21 Quit Eco1 ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 03.54.01 Quit DerDom1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.55.25 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp116.hk.centurytel.net) 04.09.41 # http://www.lostlogicx.com/gallery/20080126_Rockbox_Party/1/cimg0042/ 04.10.04 # impressive 04.10.57 # we basically kick ass :) 04.12.33 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 04.13.19 Quit eigma (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.14.00 # tallest tower ever! 04.14.30 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 04.16.17 # holy shit! 04.16.26 # that's a nice tower very tall... :O 04.18.31 # though I still prefer amiconn's & pixelma's tower, it is more robust and symmetric :P 04.19.05 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 04.19.12 # it is, but ours is taller :) 04.19.17 # and you left.. 04.19.26 # * scorche|sh goesback to beer adn tennis 04.34.57 Part Llorean 04.36.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.40.58 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 04.40.58 Quit midgey () 04.49.19 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 04.51.13 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 04.51.46 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 04.57.14 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.57.39 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF787F.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.57.39 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 05.04.06 Join dai_vernon [0] (n=Taylor@c-68-37-134-137.hsd1.de.comcast.net) 05.07.20 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B060E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.07.20 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.07.53 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.19.25 Quit dai_vernon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.24.50 Quit cool_walking_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.25.03 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@216.48.162.210) 05.27.57 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 05.33.24 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.34.06 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 05.34.51 Join kenailes [0] (n=4a2f2bfe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-449f0ab76b624f2f) 05.37.29 # i have an e250 v1 with a 4gb micro sdhc card. when i boot into rockbox, my player will freeze up and never get past the boot screen if i have the card inserted. if i boot up and then insert the card, everything is fine afterward. i have checked the rockbox forums and the manual but can't seem to find out if this is normal. is it normal? 05.38.27 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@bas3-kitchener06-1096649533.dsl.bell.ca) 05.40.08 # when was the last time you updated rockox? 05.41.42 # 30 minutes ago 05.41.55 Quit Zom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.42.18 Join gkdghe [0] (n=4443d@213.254.73.114.static.user.ono.com) 05.42.37 Quit gkdghe ("Leaving") 05.49.56 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.") 05.55.32 Quit kenailes ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.59.24 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.01.40 Quit psycho_maniac (" quit") 06.07.52 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 06.07.58 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 06.31.58 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 06.32.51 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-71-29.bchsia.telus.net) 06.36.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.37.41 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 06.40.53 Quit perrikwp ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2008012404]") 06.46.30 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 06.52.18 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 06.52.40 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 06.54.07 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=stephen@adsl-67-64-105-154.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 06.55.07 Join fabiola [0] (n=bd8fc006@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-25337e04764b4d0b) 06.56.36 # anyone there? 06.58.40 # nope 06.58.48 # lol 06.59.02 Quit Lopin13 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.59.30 # since you're the only one out there 07.00.03 # do you know about how to get the latest build on my toshiba? 07.00.21 # i mean running 07.00.31 # lol 07.00.46 # sorry...that wasnt me 07.00.53 # really? 07.00.55 # xD 07.01.02 # it's ok 07.01.15 # just extract the .zip right onto the root of the device 07.01.25 # sure i did 07.01.34 # but i extracted and old version 07.01.40 # i tried to unzip the latest 07.02.03 # and anytime i want to run any of the rocks (such as doom etc) says incompatible version 07.02.48 # or codec error 07.02.51 # when i play songs 07.04.11 # lol! 07.04.25 # ugh...ignore him 07.04.26 # not you .......... again? 07.05.25 # ok from now on i'll ignore every lol from your nick 07.06.25 # lmao 07.06.31 # roflcopter 07.06.36 # omg lol owned 07.07.08 # * scorche|sh sighs 07.07.15 Join m0f0x__ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-0-199.dsl.telesp.net.br) 07.07.31 # well like i was saying i have to go back to the oldest because i can't make the latest run, and i really want to have the latest 07.08.05 # the error you are getting typically occurs from not extracting the entire .zip onto your device 07.09.03 # yea i unzip the entire zip file, but when i unzip the latest for the toshiba it's missing the gbsystem folder and without it says the no system found on hdd 07.09.42 # phtyobih8k 07.11.53 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 07.12.05 Join midkay2 [0] (n=cff4943f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-03878f39bf5a566a) 07.12.38 # LOL scorche got owned 07.12.57 # huh? 07.13.43 # khbljhmvk 07.16.27 # scorche is an impostor 07.16.27 Quit midkay2 (Client Quit) 07.17.16 Join midkay2 [0] (n=cff4943f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b23ef35c9890f1dd) 07.17.38 # scorche is a liar 07.17.43 # and he gives bad advice 07.17.46 # dot trust him 07.17.48 # I sweat 07.17.58 # lol sweat? 07.17.59 # haha 07.18.00 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 07.18.02 Mode "#rockbox +b *!*cff4943f@* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 07.18.05 Kick (#rockbox midkay2 :scorche|sh) by scorche|sh!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche 07.18.14 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 07.18.36 # dgnm 07.18.37 Quit m0f0x_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.18.48 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-4-60.dsl.telesp.net.br) 07.18.52 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.29.08 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser@layl001.digis.net) 07.30.40 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser@layl001.digis.net) 07.32.11 Quit m0f0x__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.32.54 Quit grndslm ("Leaving") 07.34.44 Quit fabiola ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.35.50 Join toffe82 [0] (i=chatzill@static-71-160-73-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.48.18 Quit n1s () 07.52.20 Quit Mouser_X (Connection timed out) 07.56.11 Part toffe82 07.58.59 Join xushi [0] (n=xushi@unaffiliated/xushi) 08.07.44 Quit m0f0x_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.08.26 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@124-169-230-135.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.10.03 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 08.18.03 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 08.23.37 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 08.30.11 Join Calcipher [0] (n=Calciphe@ool-18bab657.dyn.optonline.net) 08.30.39 Quit HellDragon (Remote closed the connection) 08.31.01 # hey people, anyone around 08.31.12 # you are 08.31.13 # I have been MIA since mid november 08.31.19 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 08.31.50 # I spent a few minutes reading the last few hundred commits haha 08.31.58 # just to catch up 08.32.19 # crazy dev work got done since I last looked in 08.32.37 # Think I'll check out the latest build 08.36.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.40.23 Nick [omni] is now known as [you] (n=omni@bestII.com) 08.40.37 Nick [you] is now known as [omni] (n=omni@bestII.com) 08.42.10 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B07287.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.45.26 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 08.47.00 # whoa, I can't find a simple rbutil dl link 08.47.11 # let me look deeper 08.48.32 # found it in rbutil section in the wiki 08.49.13 # would have thought it would be under extras in the download section, as I think I remember it being there before, I may be wrong though 08.57.29 Join shadowcode [0] (n=shadowco@82.146.26.233) 08.58.06 # HI all :) 08.58.59 # I have some questions. 08.59.27 # I am working on porting the RockBox to RockChip RK26** 08.59.50 # but I need some help 09.00.59 Quit ol_schoola () 09.02.10 # the RK26** is zsp400 architecture and the only compilers/assemblers I fount are the GreenHills MULTI but it is inposible to get it 09.02.13 # and 09.02.27 # the ZSP gcc 09.02.45 # but it to have been removed from the site 09.03.16 # cen someone help ? 09.03.52 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 09.04.27 # hmm, hey has anyone tried using the latest rbutil to create talk files with default lame and SAPI TTS option? I get a TTS path incorrect error 09.04.40 # "path to TTS is wrong!" 09.06.02 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.06.59 # markun do you have some info on this ? 09.07.59 # the last time you gave me a link to a pdf that mentiond the sdcc ? 09.13.12 Quit eigma (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.16.34 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@216.48.162.210) 09.16.41 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.18.56 Quit eigma (Client Quit) 09.21.13 # I wonder if anyone would be interested in having voice box have an option to include some metadata tags from music files rb supports, and have the parts of rb that read this data be able to have the info read, as an example when browsing the db, since it reads the info off the files ID3 or whatever tags the entries it finds have 09.22.12 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 09.24.24 # I noticed that while using the db, if you used voice box to create dir and file talk clips, the voice menu feature would accurately read out the artist name under the artist category, since its the same as the dir name the artist tracks are found in, all other information is read in the spelled out fashion if the option is enabled 09.26.23 # allowing the inclusion of metadata in talk files would open all sorts of doors for expanding accesability features 09.28.14 # I don't know how the system works so my suggestion be terribly flawed since I don't know if its possible to be implemented the way I am thinking, thats why I hope some bright and skilled devs could shine some light on my mystery 09.31.54 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964CC1.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.37.47 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955F8E6.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.42.41 # if anyone has any ideas on my suggestion please let me know, I'll be afk so please leave a pm or something 10.01.12 # Calcipher: That's been talked about before, and there may even be a patch in flyspray that starts to implement it (IIRC, it generates the talk clips, but they can't be played yet) 10.06.47 # whoa, nice 10.07.14 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser@layl001.digis.net) 10.07.43 # thanks for the information linuxstb 10.12.01 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 10.12.07 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.19.49 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@bas3-kitchener06-1096649533.dsl.bell.ca) 10.27.49 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 10.28.42 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 10.29.33 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 10.31.56 Join ol_schoola_ [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 10.32.28 Quit ol_schoola (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.34.51 Join conando [0] (n=john@dslb-084-060-191-194.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.36.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.40.43 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-182-168.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 10.48.00 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 10.49.21 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 10.50.07 Quit Calcipher (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.53.01 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D") 10.54.07 Join aneka [0] (n=kvirc@66.251.24.104) 10.54.12 Quit aneka (Remote closed the connection) 10.54.23 Join aneka [0] (n=kvirc@66.251.24.104) 10.55.32 Join Calcipher [0] (n=Calciphe@ool-18bab657.dyn.optonline.net) 10.56.14 Quit aneka (Client Quit) 10.58.33 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 11.04.03 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 11.04.14 Mode "#rockbox -b *!*cff4943f@* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 11.04.36 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 11.06.25 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.20.17 Join crazy_bus [0] (n=philip@121.218.80.75) 11.23.33 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 11.23.46 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 11.25.44 Quit crazy_bus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.31.44 Quit Siku (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11.33.36 Join bjoern_vds [0] (n=post@p5B0FED34.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.34.03 Part bjoern_vds 11.34.08 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet23.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 11.34.46 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@228-015-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 11.36.40 Quit ashes ("Lost terminal") 11.44.33 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3CB1F.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.00.58 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.02.08 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.03.15 Quit Mouser_X (Connection timed out) 12.03.36 Quit ch4os_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.04.02 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser@layl001.digis.net) 12.08.13 # Calcipher: By the way, the link to rbutil is in the manual 12.11.28 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.12.38 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.17.49 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-223-171.dsl.scarlet.be) 12.21.47 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host143-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 12.22.28 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 12.24.09 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2008012604]") 12.26.53 Quit ol_schoola_ () 12.29.33 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 12.31.46 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 12.36.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.39.25 Join C30`Palanoid [0] (i=swat_pal@061238013188.ctinets.com) 12.45.22 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se) 12.45.36 Quit maddler (Remote closed the connection) 12.45.44 Join maddler [0] (n=maddler@217-133-171-24.b2b.tiscali.it) 12.50.10 # hi is buschel here? i wanna help out on the device disabling build tests. using a 4th gen grayscale ipod :) 12.52.10 # you could probably try contacting Buschel on the forums via PM 12.52.21 # hi palanoid, yes i am here :o) 12.52.39 # or not :D 12.52.42 # lol 12.54.06 # you could in fact help me with some information and maybe testing. 12.54.29 # ive run battery benchmarks with both unofficial build 16150 and official 16170,and posted the result on the patch tracker 12.54.47 # yes, saw it. pretty good gain :) 12.55.13 # hehe 12.55.26 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 12.55.30 # what info you need? 12.56.14 # can you read out the register info out of "View i/o ports"? when using the patch? all the DEV_ stuff 12.58.34 # where can i find that info? is it in the ipod? 12.58.56 # The debug menu 12.59.15 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host143-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.00.08 # so, Buschel. You are trying to improve battery life on ipods? 13.00.21 # all models, or only certain ones 13.00.24 # i already did ;-) 13.00.58 # nice. 13.01.12 # DEV_En: C2931977 ,DEV_EN2: 0000000,DEV_EN3: 0007003F,DEV_INIT1 0004000,DEV_INIT2: 00000000 13.01.16 # horscht: in fact its about checking register of the PP-processor -- ipods use this use, but also H10 or Sansa's 13.01.48 # DEV_EN2: 00000000 sorry 13.02.10 # and DEV_INIT1: 00040000 13.02.14 # So, I am looking on flyspray to find results :) 13.03.04 # palanoid: can you build rockbox for yourself? 13.04.13 # know nothing about it lol 13.04.32 # you did use soap's builds? 13.04.32 # "Expect to see double digit percentage increase in battery life." nice. 13.04.48 # ya the 16150M one 13.05.15 # using it right now 13.05.20 # ah, ok. then it'll be hard to check for further bits to disable... 13.06.54 # after i've completely charged my 5th Gen Ipod, i'll give soaps build a whirl :) 13.07.02 # sorry :( i guess i didnt help much 13.07.45 # ya go ahead! his build rocks 13.08.16 # palanoid: of course you helped! you posted runtime results and you told me the default register settings (which show that only DEV_EN1 is of further interest) 13.10.03 # omg i read the value wrong. it should be C2831977 for DEV_EN1 13.10.13 # lmao 13.10.25 # even better 13.11.02 # shadowcode: no sorry, I didn't find any free compiler either last time I looked. 13.11.36 # but I believe the RK27** series is MIPS32 based which I think can be compiled with GCC> 13.18.14 # by the way buschel,do you and soap intend to make power saving builds for 3rd gen ipods? 13.18.54 # no, that's another (older) processor type 13.19.25 # ic 13.19.28 # 1st - 3rd gen iPod already get better battery life than the original firmware 13.19.50 # oh! thanks for info 13.19.53 # Hi all 13.19.53 # Thanks to reverse engineering by amiconn 13.21.05 # How can i create a php page from MySQL I want to store the PHP code in the MySQL DB and create a PHP page from it. 13.21.11 # can you help ? 13.21.21 # This is well off topic 13.21.40 # palanoid: could you also read out GPO32_VAL from the i/o ports debug menu? 13.22.01 # I just need some quick help 13.22.08 # shadowcode: Not here 13.22.20 # I have to do this 13.22.24 # k 13.22.25 # This is a logged development and support channel for Rockbox, nothing else 13.22.58 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.23.32 # I am working on porting RockBox to RK26** to is this count ? :D 13.23.55 # Work on a new port is obviously on-topic 13.24.04 # What is the RK26**? 13.24.21 # RockChip 13.24.34 # Ah, OK 13.24.35 # RockChip RK26** 13.25.01 # shadowcode: you actually done any work on that or just thought about it? 13.25.35 # GPO32_VAL : 02000000 13.26.20 # thanks, 13.26.25 Join oxygen77 [0] (n=oxygen77@vau75-6-82-237-174-211.fbx.proxad.net) 13.26.30 # NP 13.26.39 # ooops caps 13.26.49 # shadowcode: until we find a free compiler there is nothing we can do 13.28.11 # palanoid: this was 4G greyscale, not photo/color, right? 13.28.16 # right 13.29.30 # Bagder: I saw some hint that the RK27xx uses a MIPS32 architecture and others that it uses ARM+DSP. Is MIPS32 a DSP? 13.29.54 # Doesn't look like it 13.31.12 # I should have bookmarked, now I can't find any info about rockchip and mips32 13.31.22 Part oxygen77 13.32.54 # no, I got 2 CPU's mixed up. 13.35.32 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955F8E6.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.36.25 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-213-229.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.36.43 # Ok, Buschel, I'm about to exit windows land and reboot back into linux - what needs built? 13.37.43 # soap: I'll update a patch after checking compilability (takes some time on my old machine). then an update is needed for 4G grey and ipod video 13.39.46 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 13.43.48 Join herefornow [0] (n=p-snowde@adsl-68-23-85-248.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) 13.45.27 Part herefornow 13.46.53 # hey guys,will battery bench results be different if i set different mAh in Battery Capacity settings in the general settings menu? 13.48.53 # markun: no mips is a good old standard risc arch 13.51.23 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 13.54.44 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@e178108190.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.55.29 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.55.36 # hello, rockboxdev.sh wants to download binutils 2.16, but i have allready 2.18 installed. do I need 2.16 specifically? 13.57.40 # kugel: Which target are you building for? 13.57.46 # arm 13.58.44 # the wiki reads 2.16 too, I just wonder if I need 2.16 or it just hasn't been updated yet 13.58.46 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 13.59.14 # ok, then I don't know, to build with 2.18 for coldfire the "linkscript" patch from FS#7832 is needed though 14.00.15 # otherwise the first ~20kb of the image was overwritten by 0s 14.00.38 # palanoid: the battery capacity setting will only influence the displayed estimated remaining time 14.01.47 # k 14.04.02 # kugel: use what is stated in the wiki 14.06.28 # k 14.09.27 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-24-60-113-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 14.10.22 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF787F.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.15.52 Quit bertrik ("bye") 14.16.10 # preglow: do have any idea how to find out, if the voltage supply for the WM-codec is just the digitanl supply or the analogue supply? 14.18.31 # preglow: Testing latest snapshot of gcc4.3 main binary grows 3% libmad and Tremor doesn's build at O2 but everything seems to work now, with some small changes to the code 14.23.13 # testing on h300 btw 14.23.54 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@85.72.174.247) 14.24.50 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c13cc.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 14.25.02 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 14.26.30 Join przemhb [0] (n=przemhb@chello084010048134.chello.pl) 14.26.51 # hi all 14.29.16 # could anyone tell me what may be a reason of an "Error: opening file: /rockbox/fonts/nedore-9.bdf" during make zip comand? 14.29.57 # the same concerns nimbus-12.bdf and helvR10.bdf.. 14.30.17 # przemhb: did you use svn to get the source? 14.30.23 # yes 14.30.34 # svn update 14.30.36 # does "svn st" say anything? 14.31.45 # well... I use TortoiseSVN graphical interface and I'm not familiar with svn st syntax, but wait a moment... 14.31.46 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 14.34.16 # (svn st is executing) 14.34.25 # prelow: hmm, when changing the WM voltage from 3V to 1.8V during playback volume gets down a bit. so I assume its either analogue or digital/analogue voltage supply. It's a pitty we do not have the datasheet for the WM8758 -- it's all about guessing. 14.34.48 # I've got a few modified files as I've got a few my patches applied to the source 14.35.35 # przemhb: well, it would be interesting if it told you anything about the font files 14.36.03 # but also it's strange that a regular make zip touches those since they are not included in the zip... 14.36.45 # przemhb: are you on cygwin? And is the error always the same, even if you "make zip" a second time? 14.36.54 # meh, someone changed the script, i am out of date, it should actually include fonts for themes that are included... 14.36.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.37.08 # pixelma: yes, I'm using cygwin 14.37.23 # yes, the error persists 14.37.37 # it is the same all the time, so I cannot make zp 14.37.46 # n1s: So it includes all fonts, not just fonts for the default theme? 14.38.27 # linuxstb: afaict it includes some fonts, which are used by included themes 14.38.48 # my h300 zip includes 2 fonts for example 14.38.53 Join DrMoos [0] (i=moos@m253.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 14.39.19 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host143-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 14.39.49 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 14.39.51 # would this change need a reconfigure? Not sure, since I can't remember having such a problem here... 14.40.13 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.42.11 # przemhb: What line-endings (DOS or Unix) have you configured cygwin and tortoiseSVN to use? 14.42.21 Nick DrMoos is now known as moos (i=moos@m253.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 14.44.31 # linuxstb: I've got Unx line-endings 14.44.34 Quit Buschel () 14.45.34 # linuxstb: make worked fine for me up to now 14.46.36 # and just a few days ago, when I tried to make zip it failed with the error message I've written above 14.46.38 # przemhb: Was that the _exact_ error message? 14.47.46 # I'm guessing it was "Error opening file: .rockbox/fonts/nedore-9.bdf" ? 14.47.47 # linuxstb: "Error opening file: /rockbox/rockbox/fonts/nedore-9.bdf" 14.48.00 # yes, it was 14.48.25 # Which one? /rockbox/rockbox or .rockbox ? 14.49.09 # "/rockbox/rockbox" 14.49.12 Join woodensoul [0] (n=woodenso@72.86.92.80) 14.49.17 # OK. 14.49.36 # as I've got source placed like this 14.49.58 # interesingly I've got the same error on another PC 14.50.02 # Do you have that file in that location? 14.50.05 # Hey guys, how can i leave a message for Nico_P? I have some more info on a annoying playback bug. 14.50.10 # anyone familiar with coldfire asm can tell me if this is illegal "move.l (%a2,%a0.l*4),76(%sp)" 14.50.15 # yes, the file is there 14.50.17 Quit Siku (Nick collision from services.) 14.50.19 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 14.50.39 # woodensoul: Is there a flyspray task for that bug? 14.51.06 # Yes 14.51.18 # Then best to just post a comment there. I'm sure he'll see it. 14.51.28 # I just wanted to bring his attention to the new info since I think he made the commits that caused the bug. 14.52.01 Join austrian_webgues [0] (n=3e2fb322@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c10d090955bcc9e7) 14.53.43 # Hi everyone! Does anybody know how I can start another plugin from my plugin? I tried "plugin_start("/.rockbox/rocks/viewers/viewer.rock", "/.rockbox/foo.txt"); " but the compiler does not like it :( 14.53.50 # przemhb: What does "ls -l /rockbox/rockbox/fonts/nedore-9.bdf" output? 14.53.54 # austrian_webgues: You can't... 14.55.00 # Why? I've seen some old code (~2006) that does exactly that..) 14.55.23 # austrian_webgues: Only one plugin can be loaded at once, so the act of loading a second plugin will overwrite the first. 14.55.37 # How can I get the textviewer to automatically display my .txt file? 14.55.46 # Is there even a way... 14.55.52 # n1s: According to the programmer's reference manual (p.113) it should be allowed for ISA V2, but according to the execution times list in the MCF5249 user's manual it is not. 14.56.20 # austrian_webgues: What exactly are you wanting to do? 14.56.32 # amiconn is the 5249 isa v2? 14.56.39 # I'm not sure why; this instruction would need 2 extension words, which would be ok 14.56.43 # yes 14.57.14 # I've written a little viewer plugin that opens a mp3 file, extracts the unsynced lyrics, saves them to a temporary .txt file and (should) open it with the viewer 14.57.14 # -rwxr-xr-x 1 quark Brak 21748 Oct 23 23:00 /rockbox/rockbox/fonts/nedore-9.bdf 14.57.47 # hmm, gcc4.3 spits out that line when building Tremor with O higher than 1 and as doesn't like it... 14.58.07 # przemhb: That's odd, my nedore-9.bdf is only 19184 bytes... 14.58.28 # crlf vs lf ... 14.58.48 # Yes, just realised that... 14.58.51 # TortoiseSVN is nasty 14.59.08 # przemhb said he had unix line-endings though... 14.59.12 # przemhb: this page suggests that you need to use crlf in cygwin too http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN 14.59.38 # So you can't configure TortoiseSVN to use Unix line-endings? 14.59.43 # because tortoise changes line endings in the checkout or so 14.59.45 # Tortoise is not configurable, and always uses crlf 15.00.05 # It's a nasty piece of software, at least in conjunction with cygwin 15.00.47 # You can use it if you configure cygwin to use crlf, but I would rather not do that, and use commandline svn instead 15.02.06 # austrian_webgues: That's not going to be possible, unless you add some code into core Rockbox to first call one plugin, then the other. 15.03.01 Quit woodensoul () 15.04.11 # Thanks linuxstb, any suggestion what I could do instead? 15.04.39 # I'd have to display it myself, including some scrolling code... 15.05.11 # ... which would be a lot of work for litte benefit! 15.06.12 # OR I could copy'n paste the textviewer sourcecode into my plugin and let it do all the work 15.07.33 # * amiconn thinks some generic code for text wrapping and display in the plugin lib would be a good idea 15.08.05 # The textviewer does more than that, though. It can also handle texts which are larger than the buffer 15.09.24 # pixelma: I have checked line-endings - my nedore-9.bdf is using CRLF 15.09.53 # przemhb: I would guess all your files are... 15.10.22 # pixelma: but changing to LF does not help make zip to be executed without the error 15.10.22 Quit austrian_webgues ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.11.13 # linuxstb:no, not all - I've took a look on some randomly chosen files - some are using LF and some CRLF 15.11.57 # What about wps/WPSLIST ? 15.12.33 # linuxstb: CRLF 15.13.04 # Which ones are LF (for example) ? 15.13.48 # boxes.112x64x1.wps 15.14.12 # Did you use the command-line "svn" in the past, and recently change to Tortoise? 15.14.24 # voice_thread.c 15.14.47 # przemhb: I'd ditch tortoise and use command-line svn for rockbox. It will save a lot of hassle 15.15.16 # * amiconn doesn't understand why TortoiseSVN isn't configurable for LF while TortoiseCVS is 15.15.23 # I've switched to Tortoise something like a half year ago 15.15.57 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@dhcp-163-1-207-183.seh.ox.ac.uk) 15.16.00 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.16.24 # linuxstb: recently I was just using SVN update 15.17.34 # that's the point - I am just doing svn update recently and on two pc's I get the same error 15.18.06 # make executes fine 15.18.06 # As people have been saying, you have two choices: 1) Ditch tortoise and go back to the command-line svn; 2) Follow the instructions here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN and configure cygwin for CRLF 15.18.22 # just make zip started to produce the error 15.20.18 # I'll try, but I don't understand how this could happen 15.20.30 # make zip didn't have to deal with .bdf files before 15.22.24 # Oh - so that is the case! 15.44.09 Join styleism [0] (n=sfgfadga@87-194-104-214.bethere.co.uk) 15.44.29 Quit xushi () 15.54.45 Quit lids ("leaving") 15.56.33 Join lids [0] (n=lds@ks35142.kimsufi.com) 15.56.50 Part przemhb 15.59.51 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 16.09.33 Join tyro [0] (n=nnscript@pcd287133.netvigator.com) 16.12.32 Nick tyro is now known as Tyroazard (n=nnscript@pcd287133.netvigator.com) 16.13.05 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 16.17.23 # What are the CPUs of the supported players ARM ? 16.17.35 # some of them 16.18.56 # and the other MIPS ? 16.19.00 # m68k and sh 16.19.07 # is there some ZSP ? 16.19.10 # no 16.19.22 # i don't even know what that is 16.19.25 # so ARM and MIPS 16.19.36 # no, arm, coldfire (m68k) and sh 16.19.37 # like i said 16.19.46 # zsp are very good CPU s 16.19.57 # k 16.20.03 # sure, but i've never heard of them, and none of our targets have them 16.20.20 # I am going to get a player whit ARM so i cen compile some code for it 16.20.35 # the zsp400 is to closesource 16.21.53 # sh ? 16.22.23 # also known as superh 16.22.34 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperH 16.22.43 # k 16.22.51 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 16.23.02 # what is the iPod cpu arch ? 16.23.24 # ipods, at least the ones we support, are portalplayer chips, which have a dual arm core 16.24.10 # dual MACs ? 16.27.25 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host143-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 16.28.14 # mac? 16.29.19 # the dual ARM in the ZSP400 dual zsp is dual mac i dont know the trans 16.29.31 # what do you mean by "mac" ? 16.29.35 # have any one seen ONDA players ? 16.30.31 Join Imaginativeone_ [0] (n=Imaginat@c-69-251-71-212.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 16.30.31 Quit C30`Palanoid ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 16.31.55 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.37.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.37.44 Quit desowin () 16.40.02 Join sunjun [0] (n=o7o@84.55.63.2) 16.40.19 # hey, has anyone tested how much album art in wps affect battery life? 16.40.28 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 16.43.58 # i wouldn't think it affects it much, it should seldom need refreshing, after all 16.44.43 Quit Tyroazard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.48.08 Quit Imaginativeone_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.50.13 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 16.52.26 # and what about treble and bass settings ? 16.53.08 # i was doing some battery benching, same playlist, 24 mp3 files in 192kbit on sansa e260 16.53.38 # default settings, no wpd 16h40, simple wps with album art and -4db on bass i got only 15h 16.53.45 # no wps* 16.56.55 Quit ch4os_ (Remote closed the connection) 17.01.59 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 17.05.40 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@g132.brzezno.univ.gda.pl) 17.07.01 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m253.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 17.08.15 Join weezerle [0] (n=weezerle@dslb-088-072-026-144.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.14.29 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-255-142-39.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 17.15.43 # so if I get RockBox on a player I can code my own programs for the OS ? 17.17.27 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3FA10.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.18.02 # shadowcode, yes, you can write your own plugins for rockbox, or change the core, if you so desire. 17.23.54 Join aneka [0] (n=kvirc@66.251.25.155) 17.24.02 # shadowcode: also the other way around: when you can get your own program on a player you can start to port rockbox. 17.24.24 Quit aneka (Remote closed the connection) 17.25.49 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 17.32.21 Join mboat [0] (n=mboat@c-24-98-184-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 17.38.15 # hey guys, i have a quick question regarding track lengths on rockbox 17.38.41 # on my computer and on the OF it shows the correct lengths, but they're incorrect in rockbox. any way to fix it? 17.40.13 # file format? and how much wrong? 17.40.50 Join keanu [0] (n=keanu@unaffiliated/keanu) 17.41.31 # eek, that 3g phono jack module is a riduculous price for what it is. :\ 17.41.36 # mp3. the first song on one of my albums should be 3:06 but its showing as 1:02, then the second song is supposed to be 4:00 but its 5:20 17.41.55 # mboat: Are they VBR MP3? 17.42.49 # CBR 17.43.02 # What did you use to encode them? 17.43.43 # a program called "switch" 17.44.00 # Even if not VBR, it could have an incorrect header. 17.44.04 # mboat: could you host the file somewhere? 17.44.18 # yeah sure...hold on a second 17.44.35 # mboat: if it's copyright protected, better give me the URL in a PM 17.50.22 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4F56E.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.50.44 Quit Jon-Kha ("leaving") 17.50.56 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 17.51.00 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 17.51.03 Quit Jon-Kha (Client Quit) 17.51.34 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3045.gwdg.de) 17.58.25 # Switch appears to use Lame, so the created file should be fine, though you never know what they do after the encoding is complete. But I do wonder if they comply with the GPL... :) 17.59.22 # Ouch, using Lame 3.82 though, which is really old... 18.00.09 # what do you mean by comply with the GPL? O.o 18.00.24 # i didnt pay for switch... 18.00.26 # Lear: The site looks a little dubious, yeah. 18.00.40 # No source of any sort obviously available. 18.01.02 # ooh. 18.01.26 # do you guys have another program that you recommend? 18.01.30 # i just kinda picked the first one i found 18.01.31 # haha 18.01.34 # Anyway, using something like "Rebuild MP3 stream" "Fix VBR MP3 header" in Foobar2000 could fix the file. 18.02.50 # so there could be something wrong with the file even if it shows correct information on my computer and on my OF? 18.03.07 Quit waldo ("Konversation terminated!") 18.04.35 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 18.08.55 # Yes, Rockbox is lazy and only looks at the header for length information. 18.09.04 Join j0tt [0] (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) 18.12.27 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 18.13.09 Join Michi1234 [0] (n=michi@mnch-4db12a8d.pool.einsundeins.de) 18.13.57 Part Michi1234 ("Konversation terminated!") 18.14.36 Join C30`Palanoid [0] (i=swat_pal@061238013188.ctinets.com) 18.19.08 # hi,i see buschel posted a patch in patch tracker,how do i install it into the player? where exactly should i put it? 18.19.29 Quit Zom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.21.12 # C30`Palanoid, if you're talking about the patch to get more battery life, soap has several builds with it included in the Unsupported Builds forum. alternatively, read the wiki pages SimpleGuideToCompiling and, i suppose, WorkingWithPatches 18.21.29 Quit jott (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.21.35 # thx a lot 18.21.44 # Those builds are out of date - I should have new ones up in a few hours after I get done with work work. 18.23.43 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 18.23.56 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.163) 18.25.19 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A96633.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.25.33 # im testing those patches right now, and on flyspray i see people getting 20h runtimes with flac's, but i only get 16h40min with mp3's, should there be that much of a difference ? 18.28.08 # sure, flac is less complex 18.28.13 # There are lots of variables, like battery condition, sound processing enabled (like the EQ), file format... 18.28.24 # default settings 18.28.26 # the more compression the core complexity, in general 18.28.39 # core = more 18.29.34 # and regarding the stuttering menus some were getting lately, i noticed it too, but rarely, and im not really sure yet, but it stutters mostly on vbr mp3s, 320cbr seems to be ok 18.30.05 # kugel: but the effect on the batterylife also depends on the target, for harddisk targets less compression also means more disk spinups. 18.30.09 # sunjun, and don't mix and match runtimes on 30GB iPod Videos with runtimes on 60/80GB iPod Videos. The two models have significantly different batteries. 18.30.25 # i have a sansa e260 18.30.38 # and searched out results of sansa users on flyspray 18.31.10 # MP3 decoding is comparatively slow on arm (e.g., sansa players). 18.31.16 # PaulJam: Sure, but I was expectiing sunjun to have a e200, since his messurements matches with e200 18.31.19 # yea - battery condition makes a difference. W/o knowing what your runtime is with the stock firmware you have no basis of comparison. 18.31.35 # meaning no disk to spin up 18.31.46 Quit j0tt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.32.39 # sunjun: tbh, 16h40 is great, don't worry 18.33.36 # it dropped to 15h after settings bass to -4db and using a wps with album art :D 18.33.44 # setting* 18.34.14 # which wps have you used before? the stock one or one using a backdrop? 18.34.44 # the 16h40 result - no wps or backdrop, just black on white 18.35.12 Join jott [0] (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) 18.35.21 # i guess it is switch's fault 18.36.30 # mboat: did you find out anything else? 18.37.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.37.07 # i found that the original files i have at 320kbps have correct data 18.37.16 # but not the ones at 128 18.38.24 # if you transcode to save space you could also try ogg vorbis. 18.39.44 # alright i'll try that one 18.40.12 # markun: Do you know if ogg gives better runtime compared to mp3 or aac? 18.40.30 # kugel: I think better that aac and worse than mp3 18.40.38 # ok 18.40.55 # but you can compile a codec test plugin to find out for sure 18.41.01 # I wanted to switch to vorbis, but I didn't find a program with that I could easily convert. Do you have a hint for me? 18.41.13 # kugel, lame and oggenc ;-) 18.41.27 # not really. usually I use command like tools (like krazykit0 18.41.29 # ) 18.41.36 # though you wouldn't want to "switch" by transcoding. that'll kill sound quality 18.41.45 # unless you're transcoding from a lossless source 18.41.58 # I know about that 18.42.18 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.43.03 # i dont. lol. 18.43.09 # are there other usefull tools, i.e. to split ogg files, or a tool with a GUI to enc/transcode? 18.43.10 # half of this is gibberish to me... 18.43.19 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host143-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 18.43.49 # kugel: foobar2000 should be able to do it all fairly easily 18.44.08 Join xnyhps [0] (n=sphynx@40-101-dsl.ipact.nl) 18.44.17 # kugel: I found this tool to be the most flexible ogg cutter and sticher I tried: http://www.oook.cz/bsd/oggscissors/ 18.46.11 # another command line tool 18.50.00 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser@layl001.digis.net) 18.50.37 Nick uwe__ is now known as uwe_ (n=uwe@dslb-088-064-064-015.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.50.47 Quit MethoS_mobile (Connection timed out) 18.57.12 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B161AB7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.01.48 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.02.00 Join Calcifer [0] (n=Calciphe@ool-18bab657.dyn.optonline.net) 19.04.52 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 19.15.56 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 19.17.11 Quit mboat () 19.18.58 Quit sunjun ("Ex-Chat") 19.19.09 Join Rincewind [0] (i=NUzyUz0K@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 19.19.43 Quit Calcipher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.23.52 Quit Rincewind (Client Quit) 19.43.51 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@216.48.162.210) 19.58.01 Quit Neovangl1st (Remote closed the connection) 20.00.56 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 20.01.18 Join eigma_ [0] (n=cat@216.48.162.210) 20.01.32 Quit eigma (Nick collision from services.) 20.01.38 Nick eigma_ is now known as eigma (n=cat@216.48.162.210) 20.01.44 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.01.50 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser@layl001.digis.net) 20.02.19 Quit eigma (Client Quit) 20.02.33 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@216.48.162.210) 20.03.13 Join Neovanglist [0] (i=Neovangl@chrisg.phx.neovanglist.net) 20.05.29 Join Imaginativeone_ [0] (n=Imaginat@c-69-251-71-212.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 20.07.40 Quit ch4os_ (Remote closed the connection) 20.08.49 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@g132.brzezno.univ.gda.pl) 20.09.13 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! 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I only provide those to encourage the testing of viewports by the general community - as they are comming. 21.43.31 # yeah i dont know how to create builds 21.43.43 # Buschel, I'm || <---this close to being finished in Windows land. 21.43.45 # but i am willing to test 21.44.18 # soap: :o) 21.45.00 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 21.45.16 # linuxstb: I've switched cygwin to CRLF endings; echo "test">>./test.txt results in file with CRLF ending so I guess cygwin is indeed switched to CRLF, but make zip produces the same error, although nedore-9.bdf and other fonts have now CRLF endings (checked) 21.45.25 # Buschel: I got 18 hours 22 minutes runtime on sansa e280 playing ogg -q8 21.45.26 # soap: btw, I am also very interested in a battery bench of your 5G 60GB as you use higher playback volume for your tests 21.45.42 # (with v13) 21.45.52 # do you want to look at battery bench? 21.46.16 # desowin: what was the svn runtime with the same playlist? 21.46.21 # I am currently benching on a 5gen 80GB, Buschel. 21.46.30 Quit C30`Palanoid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.46.32 # right now, I am benching unpatched 21.46.36 # Soap,does the view port do an auto refresh? 21.47.05 # Buschel: can't really say as I did svn runtime just when I bought sansa, it was quite some time ago, but I got 15 hours then; I'll redo the test 21.47.16 # przemhb: Are _all_ the files now CRLF? 21.47.25 # horschti: great, just post the results in the forum or flyspray -- i am collecting all the results to have an overview 21.47.25 Quit weezerle ("...und tschüss!") 21.47.32 # I will 21.48.10 # well, I just finished "benching" the default FW, now charge, then unmodified, then recharge, then patched 21.48.19 # so, it's still gonna take some time 21.48.20 # linuxstb: not all but error message says only about the 3 fonts which are now CRLF 21.48.52 # linuxstb: I'd excpected error messages to say about different files now 21.49.19 # linuxstb: as the 3 fonts are now CRLF 21.49.38 # desowin: does the battery percent show a more linear behaviour on e200 now? 21.49.49 # przemhb: If I was you, I would do a clean SVN checkout, to make sure everything is CRLF, and take it from there. AFAIK, other people are using such a configuration, so it should work. 21.50.30 # linuxstb: I'll try, thanks 21.50.34 Quit DogBoy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.50.42 # Buschel: http://people.atheme.org/~desowin/sansae280r16143-disablev13.txt 21.50.50 Quit kugel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.52.18 Quit Horschti ("I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup") 21.52.45 Join MethoS [0] (n=clemens@pD955F7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.53.18 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.53.24 # Buschel, will you be around in ~30 minutes? 21.53.50 # soap: i think so :) 21.53.57 # ok 21.54.23 # linuxstb,do you have a prefered place for possible viewport bugs? 21.55.55 # desowin: looks more linear than before -- even though there's still room for improvement 21.56.50 # robin0800: What's it concerning? 21.58.08 # linuxstb,static icons flashing in a view port see ave for more details 21.58.34 # linuxstb,above 22.02.13 # With what WPS? An existing one, or one that's been modified to use viewports? 22.02.58 # linuxstb,the modified on on the tracker page 22.03.18 # I have a question about generating a .voice file, I was wondering if it may be possible to include a utility that could re create an existing .voice file in a different tts voice engine, for example if you downloaded the current build with the espeak default .voice file, with the utility I am proposing (if it is even possible) you could choose the source .voice file, and choose a tts engine for example SAPI5, and the sapi5 voice of cho 22.03.38 # robin0800: That's a theme for a 220x176 target - you've been using it on a 5g? 22.03.53 # and a new .voice file using the selected engine and voice would be created, for the voice menus system 22.04.45 # Calcipher: we have a utility which creates a voice file from a lang file. What would be the benefit of doing so from a voice file? 22.04.59 # linuxstb,I modified it just the width of the viewports nothing else 22.05.38 # the only alternative method to creating .voice files in anything other than the default espeak, is a time consuming compile, just to get the .voice file, so thats updating svn and compiling a new build whenever there are changes made 22.06.02 # robin0800: Have you tried the original 220x176 (on either a H300 or ipod Color sim)? 22.06.15 # Calcipher: why would espeak be less time consuming? 22.07.13 # I'm sorry, I don't mean it would be less time consuming, I mean the fact is most users don't have dev environments set up 22.07.22 # linuxstb,no but why changing the width should start or stop icons flashing? 22.07.30 # I'm not sure if you can create a voice file with rockbox utility, that would be nice 22.07.46 # and wouldn't have the ability to recreate the .voice file in an other voice easily 22.08.00 # Calcipher: the voicefile does not contain the spoken strings so you would need to have some speech recognition software figure out what the clips in the original file said, hardly simple... 22.08.01 # I didn't know about the utility you mentioned 22.08.15 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 22.08.28 # one of the features: Create voicefile 22.08.41 # but I've never used it myself 22.08.46 # robin0800: It shouldn't do, so either a) the problems happens in the original wps (but I never saw it there); or b) your changes have caused it... 22.09.00 # robin0800: Can you upload your .wps file to pastebin? 22.09.35 # Hm, I didn't even have luck with rbutils create talk clips options 22.10.24 # I was able to create my own .voice files by compiling in cygwin and specifying sapi5 22.10.49 # Calcipher: You'd use a source language file to create a new voice, you can't really "re-create" from an older voice file. 22.11.04 # What version of RButil did you try? 22.11.16 # 1.3 I think 22.11.22 # I donwloaded it last night 22.11.42 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.12.24 # oh so is there a utility that can generate the voice file from a lang file? using different synths and voices? 22.12.57 # RButil should be that utility 22.13.16 # But the way voice files work, if you wanted to create a new tool, it would use language files, not voice files. 22.13.31 # oh, I'll take a closer look, maybe I over looked that option 22.14.05 # Well, I don't know if it offers that feature yet 22.14.11 # But 1.0.3pre isn't the newest version, I don't believe 22.14.36 Quit przemhb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.14.40 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.14.40 # It's just the newest one we have available for download. Try the newest SVN version, if you can compile. 22.14.55 Quit desowin () 22.14.58 # oh, I found the link to it in the wiki, It was kind of strange it is not in the extras section under downlads 22.15.13 # Checking the SVN logs, voicefile creation was added on 11 Jan, with bug fixes following, up to 20 Jan. 22.15.15 # It's in the manual... why should it also be in Extras? 22.15.29 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4400401.home.otenet.gr) 22.15.30 # hehe I have been trying to avoid compiling 22.15.43 # Well if you want to play with the newest toys, you're going to have to. 22.15.58 # isn't the whole idea of the rockbox util that people can easily install *without* compiling? 22.15.58 # I see, thanks 22.16.20 # markun: Yes, once it's done... 22.16.45 # linuxstb,http://pastebin.ca/875432 22.17.37 # markun: Yes, that's the idea, but since it's the installer, we like to make sure the precompiled binaries are (in theory) "working" versions, much like bootloaders 22.17.51 Quit perrikwp ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2008012404]") 22.17.59 # And the last precompiled version is I think from before voice building was in 22.18.51 Quit MethoS ("Konversation terminated!") 22.19.07 # that explains that, I had been looking through the commits and was expecting those features, didn't realize it wasn't the latest 22.21.30 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955F7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.21.59 # Actually I have never made rbutil from svn 22.22.00 # %root_menu "/Music/" in tagnavi_custom.config would make rockbox look for media files in /Music/ only, correct? 22.23.09 # I'll take a look at it before asking any questions 22.23.41 # Horschtyou can use the ignore folder file found in the root of the playery to do the opposite 22.24.17 # Horscht, you can use the ignore folder file found in the root of the playery to do the opposite 22.24.19 # Horscht: if I remember correctly that would just name your custom database menu /Music/ 22.25.26 # ok, I think i'll just use the ignore folder file. 22.27.17 # robin0800: I can't see anything wrong immediately (and don't have time to investigate properly). Can you upload your .wps to the flyspray task (with a description of the problem), so it's not lost? 22.29.31 Quit Soap ("Leaving") 22.29.41 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@228-015-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 22.29.45 # Buschel: It sounds like it could be useful to disable wps updating when the backlight is off, at least for some targets. Just made a quick patch doing that for the Sansa e200, and it doesn't seem to break anything at least... 22.30.00 # robin0800, simply adding the directory into the text file? (for example /iPod_Control/ ?) 22.31.28 # The opposite - creating a file called "database.ignore" inside the ipod_Control directory. 22.32.04 # ah, i see 22.32.34 Join mokkurkalve [0] (n=eivind@084202135152.customer.alfanett.no) 22.32.40 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 22.32.41 # thank you 22.33.06 # Lear: Does the database redraw properly after? I was lead to believe you couldn't safely stop updating the screen without some corruption afterward. Or do you mean just not drawing the framebuffer to the LCD kinda thing? 22.33.16 # Lear: Err, "WPS" not "database" 22.33.16 Quit ch4os_ ("Lost terminal") 22.35.00 # lear/lorean: my idea was to implement something like a "idle WPS" -> leaving WPS and entering idleWPS when backlight is going off, and re-entering WPS if backlight is switched on again. the idle WPS colu 22.35.05 # oops 22.35.05 # Llorean: I mean not render the WPS to the framebuffer. This change is on the apps level. 22.35.21 # could blank out the screen for example 22.36.04 # Buschel: My change is along those lines, though currently it doesn't blank the screen or enter a special WPS. It just stops updating it. 22.36.34 # It certainly needs to be optional, since updating it have varying costs depending on target, and some targets have a visible WPS without backlight. 22.36.39 # But I can get behind that 22.37.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.37.43 # Yes, this should only be enabled on targets where the display is unreadable without the backlight. 22.37.56 # Or just be optional on all targets 22.38.26 # and depending on the benefit I'd think 22.38.32 # If it's going to be in my pocket, I really don't care if I can or can't see the screen with the BL off, I'd rather it not update. ;) 22.38.38 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 22.38.49 # it should be optional. just think of our blind users -- they will gain some runtime without loosing anything 22.38.52 # I do believe the iPod 5G is actually classified as "visible with BL off" right now, and that's where the benefit is greatest, I think 22.39.30 Quit n1s () 22.40.07 # I mean if the runtime is really longer by a good amount, not only 10 minutes or so 22.41.32 # linuxstb, done 22.41.44 # Buschel mentioned an hour or so for an ipod. 22.42.01 # pixelma: just look at ipodruntime page. we're talking about >10min 22.42.26 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 22.42.57 # I just remember that I liked the fact that I could read the display without backlight on LinusN's Video 22.43.21 # ok Buschel, I'm back on Linux. Let's talk about what builds I need to make. 22.43.34 # pixelma: depends on your usecase 22.43.59 # soap: ok. so, what were your last builds? 22.44.54 # Buschel, PP5020v2 for all the 5020 devices, and DDv13 for all the others. 22.45.36 # ok, then there's only pcf-03 for iPod Video and 4G grey 22.45.50 # Buschel: I'm not saying I'm against an option to stop drawing the WPS, but it just seems to be admitting defeat if Rockbox can't update a WPS without a significant impact on runtime... 22.46.29 # linuxstb: At least the sansa firwmare stops updating the WPS when the backlight is off. 22.46.40 # It may just be "business as usual" for color LCDs. 22.46.47 # How do you know? 22.46.58 # Because I looked at it while the backlight was off? 22.47.03 # linuxstb: or it's the advantage to be able to be more efficient via configuration -- matter of usecase 22.47.08 # They don't clear it. 22.47.15 # Ah, so it's one of those LCDs you can see whilst the backlight is off? 22.47.20 # They leave a static image, but things like "Time Played" don't change. 22.47.26 # You can see it under very, VERY ideal lighting conditions. 22.47.38 # so pcf-03 for video and 4G gray, 5020v2 for the remaining 5020 devices, DDv13 for all the others (Nano I guess is the only other) 22.47.41 # It's not really meant to be read without a backlight, but I was curious 22.47.42 # well, don't make it default, my nano is perfectly visible with no backlight 22.47.56 # preglow: Agreed 22.48.08 # Buschel: It's not more efficient, it's just doing less... 22.48.11 # soap: ah, you want to rebuild all with against new svn? 22.48.25 # sure 22.48.27 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 22.48.28 # linuxstb: As well, I think it's only admitting defeat if we can't beat the OF runtime *without* the option. I think adding the option so that we beat the OF by more, rather than using it as a way to match the OF, is fine. ;) 22.48.41 # is wps redrawing that intensive? i thought it was quite easy on the cpu 22.48.46 # without peak meters, at least 22.48.59 # Llorean: No, it's admitting defeat if we can't draw a WPS without impacting runtime at all... 22.49.01 # Apparently on the 5G it can make nearly a 8% difference in runtime? 22.49.07 # if you can read the display without backlight it also saves power in normal use - you don't have to switch on the backlight if you want to read it... 22.49.09 # what kind of wps? 22.49.11 # that sounds insane 22.49.18 # soap: then simply use pcf-03 for all -- it contains the code for all. but for ipod video and 4g grey there are relevant changes 22.49.19 # at least not always 22.49.35 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.50.01 # linuxstb: Maybe the BCM is simply drawing more power than it should? I don't believe we've got results on anything but a 5G? And I seem to recall older tests suggested the WPS had a minimal-to-immeasurable result. 22.50.46 # Llorean: on my c200 the OF still updates the display (at least the long song name is still scrolling) 22.51.14 # progress bar and time is updating as well 22.51.18 # llorean: maybe this because of the fps of 5G? you'll need at least 4MHz CPU to achieve the 5fps of the WPS. 4MHz cost about 1.3mA on a PP502x 22.51.27 Join Axio_ [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 22.51.32 # pixelma: On my e200 it didn't. Maybe they decided the e200's screen couldn't be seen (or maybe different FW versions behaved differently) 22.51.42 # Buschel, Ok, just to clarify one last time - pcf-03 is a merge of the PP5020 specific branch with the generic DeviceDisable branch and now has some additional tests for 4G and Video - but should be no changes for people previously running DDv13 on their Sansa (for example) 22.53.10 # * pixelma is happy about Rockbox volume control - the first step from mute is already too loud in the c200 OF... 22.53.21 # Llorean, my battery benchmarks suggest that iCatcher gives me 95% of the runtime of WPS 22.53.35 # yes, pcf-03 = v13 + "4G grey register settings" + "PCF experimental stuff for iPod Video" + PP5020-v1/-v2 22.53.49 # and the old default (with peak meters) gives me 85% of the runtime of WPS. 22.53.54 # soap: As in, a blank file? 22.54.05 # as in sitting in the menu. 22.54.08 # These benchmarks are also on a 5G? 22.54.10 # k, I will wait for the pcf-03 then :) 22.54.12 # yes 22.54.16 # Horscht, working on it now. 22.54.25 Quit csc` ("Powering Off") 22.54.29 # yeah, no pressure 22.54.38 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-74-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) 22.54.39 # still charging, anyways 22.54.40 # linuxstb: So apparently for soap, the problem can result in a 15% decrease in battery life on 5G 22.54.48 # * linuxstb wonders what impact the proposed default WPS has... 22.55.09 # Well, if iCatcher is so much better than "Default with peakmeters", I bet the proposed default will be somewhat better 22.55.25 # soap: do you know in how much fps the peak meter results? maybe this is the root cause for the big difference? 22.56.16 # The peakmeter updates at 20fps - but just the small rectangle which contains the peakmeter 22.56.35 # Buschel, no I do not. 22.56.58 # mind you this is with LAME APS, so I'm already at ~ 50% boost. 22.57.03 # FWIW 22.58.09 # Buschel: I have a iPod 4th gen Gray and was wondering if you still needed help with Register Startup Configuration with your patch 22.59.48 # Buschel: I wonder what LCD you mean with DEV_EN bit 26 23.00.04 # There are at least 3 types of lcd (bridges) involved on pp targets 23.00.33 # All mono/greyscale pp targets plus the c200 use LCD1 23.00.58 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 23.01.06 # The G5 uses none of the bridges but the BCM chip hooked to the bus 23.01.14 # All other colour pp targets use LCD2 23.02.16 # amiconn: the e200 uses the DMA lcd controller so that's four :) 23.02.30 # Yes, plus LCD2 for commands iirc 23.02.36 # I put my proof-of-concept code on Flyspray: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8523 23.02.45 # it's bit banged on e200 23.02.54 # amiconn: ? you are talking about the pp-register page? 23.02.55 # ehh 23.03.00 # bucko: yes 23.03.08 # Erm, that was to Buschel 23.03.19 # Too many bu error ;) 23.03.50 # amiconn: this entry was not made by me -- it is described in pp5020.h 23.04.11 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@70-56-93-80.tukw.qwest.net) 23.04.45 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2008012604]") 23.05.20 # amiconn: but it was needed for LCD on e200 23.05.25 # by test 23.05.25 # nn 23.05.35 # So what targets are 100% unreadable without backlight? 23.06.03 # all colours targets but video and nano? 23.06.13 # yes 23.06.20 Quit amiconn (" Fensteraufdatum") 23.06.29 # what about the Colour? 23.06.39 # * linuxstb keeps repeating that the Ipod Color is readable without backlight... 23.07.08 # all but Ipods with colour display then? 23.07.15 # i wouldn't be opposed to making "wps update during bl off" disabled for the other targets 23.07.24 # enabled.. 23.07.29 # with the right angle and reflection from the sun I can read my Gigabeat's LCD without backlight :) 23.07.35 # no, disabled 23.07.38 # * preglow hits himself 23.07.48 # pixelma: What about the Sansas? I thought you just said the c200 is readable? 23.08.47 # nah, not really usable - same as what Llorean said about the e200. I need to hold it close to the light on my desk to read it. 23.09.25 # maybe it would be somewhat readable in bright sunlight too 23.09.26 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-3-91.dsl.telesp.net.br) 23.12.45 Quit midkay (Nick collision from services.) 23.12.46 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@70-56-93-80.tukw.qwest.net) 23.13.27 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.13.54 Join uwe__ [0] (n=uwe@dslb-084-056-041-008.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.16.06 # * linuxstb wonders what the HAVE_SCREEN_THAT_CAN_BE_READ_WITHOUT_BACKLIGHT_OR_HOLDING_IT_VERY_CLOSE_TO_LIGHT define should be called 23.16.37 # HAVE_TRANSLUCENT_LCD 23.17.04 # HAVE_BLACK_HOLE ?? 23.17.57 # HAVE_NEEDS_BL 23.18.02 Join DrCherry [0] (n=DrCherry@70.91.122.133) 23.18.06 # * jhMikeS got it all backwards anway :p 23.19.51 Join stel [0] (n=stel@78.144.148.69) 23.20.10 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.20.12 Quit petur ("stop shouting ;)") 23.20.39 # HAVE_SHITTY_LCD is more correct :) 23.21.23 # * jhMikeS would beg to differ re: gigabeat black hole or not 23.21.24 # self explaining and eloquently 23.22.25 # Tab completion for the lose! 23.22.36 Quit keanu ("Leaving") 23.24.23 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-182-168.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 23.24.23 Quit uwe_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.30.50 # Buschel, do you still need people to play with you regarding the register startup configuration? 23.31.01 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.32.04 # soap: 4G Photo and Mini 2G are missing. But i don't think there are many users left with such, what do you think? 23.32.27 # I'll put out a call for them. 23.32.35 # As for how many exist? I have no idea. 23.32.44 # soap: nevertheless the patch will work for them 23.32.54 # * amiconn has a Mini G2 23.33.25 # amiconn: well, then I may kindly ask you to help me with the settings? 23.34.48 # linuxstb has a photo 23.35.28 # linuxstb/amiconn: could you help out with some testing then? 23.35.37 # Right now I have too many half-finished things here :/ 23.36.39 # * amiconn experienced a hard freeze (on H180) today... 23.36.57 # i just hosed my ipod . . ugh 23.37.29 # any way to "start over" without using iTunes? 23.38.36 # amiconn: maybe another day then 23.39.35 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-69-46.dsl.telesp.net.br) 23.39.41 # soap: thanks for updating the builds -- it would take hours on my PC to build all these variants! :) 23.39.56 Quit styleism (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.40.18 # you're welcome 23.40.42 Join Tyroazard [0] (n=nnscript@pcd287133.netvigator.com) 23.41.07 Quit grndslm (Remote closed the connection) 23.44.29 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.44.51 # Buschel: I'll be happy to help, but another day as well... 23.44.53 # the cabbiev2 theme on gigabeat has "; ; ::" at the top above "NOW PLAYING". ?? 23.45.26 # ok folks, gotta go to bed now. see you tomorrow 23.45.29 Quit Buschel () 23.46.32 # jhMikeS: is the time set? 23.46.55 # ummm...no 23.47.19 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 23.47.29 # that's just this, set the time, and it will be displayed instead with the date 23.47.31 Quit m0f0x_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.48.20 # aha, much nicer 23.48.24 # : ) 23.49.12 # It's never set because of frequent battery switch use 23.50.30 Quit moos ("Time to sleep, have a good day/night all") 23.50.31 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955F7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.50.48 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 23.51.19 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.238.242) 23.56.12 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-0-59.dsl.telesp.net.br) 23.57.46 Quit bertrik ("bye") 23.58.31 Quit stel (Remote closed the connection)