--- Log for 07.02.108 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.02 # linuxstb: you know what i meant :) i am enough pissed at this stupid gadget to engage into terminology debates 00.00.03 # I just think it's a useless option that should be on, unless there's some very significant cost 00.00.09 # does gather runtime data do something as long as you don't even have the database initialised? 00.00.19 # vorwarts: No debate - rockbox is in no way built on linux 00.00.22 # vorwarts: No, I honestly don't know what you mean... 00.00.31 # It is ground up rockbox 00.00.39 # vorwarts: this isnt a terminology debate.....rockbox isnt linux and we dont really make drivers 00.00.54 # (for computers) 00.00.55 # vorwarts - linux is quite a specifically incorrect term to use for rockbox 00.01.05 # Do you think he has got it yet? 00.01.16 # i think 2 more people need to speak up :) 00.01.28 # rockbox is not linux 00.01.29 # ;-) 00.01.31 # you make it possible for some toshiba gadgets to run off linux 00.01.34 # linuxstb: I personally think it's more of either "I forgot" or a "Not until we fully QA" problem, but I'm a bystander 00.01.39 # that's all i know 00.01.44 # vorwarts - we do? that's news to us ... 00.01.50 # given that rockbox is not linux 00.02.07 # you mean that they can be used as UMS device? 00.02.15 # vorwarts: No rockbox devices run linux, given rockbox is not linux 00.02.21 # so isn't KDE and 2 gazillion other projects 00.02.27 # what? 00.02.29 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f0c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-53f1b3da17c61d8b) 00.02.36 # that's not my point 00.02.38 Quit ze (Connection timed out) 00.02.40 # vorwarts: I think you're very very confused about rockbox 00.02.40 # what is your point 00.02.42 # cg: your server seemed to do good! 00.02.43 # * linuxstb remembers that the Gigabeat F ran Linux, but couldn't be used with desktop Linux.. 00.02.50 # vorwarts: they could "run off linux" before...the firmware just didnt read plain mp3s 00.03.01 # U series. toshiba gigabeat. will t ever be addressed 00.03.03 Quit agm3nt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.03.04 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.03.07 # any hints when we will be able to tranfare data from pc in rockbox mode 00.03.08 # ? 00.03.17 # vorwarts: If interested owners port rockbox, sure 00.03.19 # vorwarts: your guess is as good as mine 00.03.21 # JdGordon's server did less good... 00.03.24 # I wonder if there has been any case of portable linuxes using the code from rockbox as a source to make a linux driver. 00.03.31 # vorwarts: There isn't a rockbox 'team' planning ports 00.03.39 # Bagder: I think the server names are messed up? 00.03.51 # carlosp: When it is done 00.03.56 # Bagder: is it his OSX box? 00.04.03 # vorwarts - people do their own ports. if someone out there has a U series and wants to run rockbox on it, they'll do the work. 00.04.04 # rasher: why? JdGordon's is using a subname in lostlogic's domain 00.04.09 # carlosp: It's the kind of thing that may happen tomorrow or may not happen for another year - it's impossible to predict when the technical breakthroughs will happen. 00.04.19 # Bagder: so it seems. still need to populate ccache cache for all ports 00.04.19 # scorche|w: no 00.04.28 # stripwax: dev docs availabe on rockbox.org? 00.04.32 Quit p3tur ("gonne") 00.04.36 # cg: yeps 00.04.46 # vorwarts: your can increase the chance of rockbox on your player by starting on some of the work: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 00.04.51 # Bagder: My server seems to have build an impossible amount of builds though 00.05.12 # vorwarts: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 00.05.14 # built* 00.05.21 # I was just thinking. It would be useful to create a page on the wiki with converted fonts for rockbox, wouldn't it? Of course, the submitters will ask the font creators for permission before posting them. 00.05.30 # markun: if only DAPs could focus on a single chipset like pdas did onto arm 00.05.31 # vorwarts: I started the Gigabeat F port and it was quite a lot of work. There were many moments where we thought we couldn't do it. 00.05.34 # rasher: it did a lot of sh builds, so it's not a surprise it did many 00.05.35 Quit MethoS-- ("Konversation terminated!") 00.05.48 # Lars_G: why? 00.06.03 # Bagder: Bootloaders too.. I was mighty confused 00.06.07 # I was just thinking. It would be useful to create a page on the wiki with converted fonts for rockbox, wouldn't it? Of course, the submitters will ask the font creators for permission before posting them. 00.06.11 # markun: it'd ease reverse engineering... once the basics are broken there are less stuff to fight in each player 00.06.14 # I think I'll give up for today. I can't get linked transfer descriptors working 00.06.18 # pdas didn't "focus on a single chipset" 00.06.19 # crzyboyster: We heard the first time 00.06.23 # Lars_G: I think every DAP maker should decide for themselves which they think is the best hardware. 00.06.47 # Lars_G: I would say most DAPs are ARM... 00.06.47 # and 'best' can be many things of course. 00.06.52 # Sorry, didn't show up on my IRC windows thing... 00.07.01 # right now i would be happy to run this s*** through virtualbox... but not even this is working 00.07.16 # crzyboyster: how many times do we have to say to check the logs if you think something didnt go through? 00.07.28 # vorwarts: as has been said before, that is offtopic.. 00.07.31 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 00.07.36 # vorwarts: you really should not buy stuff that doesn't do what you want... 00.07.45 # ;) 00.07.49 # Wise words 00.07.56 # Bagder: it as offered :) 00.08.19 # then accept the real challenge and start the rockbox port! ;-) 00.09.17 # * linuxstb hands vorwarts a screwdriver 00.09.24 # vorwarts: you don't need to be a programmer. Just open up your player and post pictures. 00.09.55 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 00.10.10 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.10.48 # markun: no word from the translator.. annoying 00.11.00 # we shall see. i am usually quite perseverant, but time is not on my side (have to work like a mule). ebay may have the answer for my ordeal :) heading on to the virtualbox channel. thank you all 00.11.16 # Sorry, won't happen again. What do you all think of such a wiki page? 00.11.48 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b004b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cd03cac7588e2da2) 00.11.55 # vorwarts: good luck 00.12.19 # thanks 00.12.27 Part vorwarts 00.13.34 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.14.00 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 00.14.29 Quit x1jmp (Remote closed the connection) 00.15.00 Quit carlosp ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.15.23 # rasher: which translator 00.15.24 Quit obo ("bye") 00.15.55 # Lars_G: Someone who wanted to do an Arabic translation, and claimed to have actually finished it, but now he's gone AWOL 00.16.13 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 00.17.02 # Ah sorry can't help there 00.17.45 # http://forum.mp3store.pl/lofiversion/index.php?t14695.html a nice list 00.18.32 # Crikey 00.19.02 # very nice list.. 00.19.15 # thats ben posted in the forums i think 00.19.17 # been* 00.19.29 # If something is not translated in a lang file, should you remove all the untranslated phrases? 00.19.30 # the recording screen doesn't show time elapsed or size of file...what am i doing wrong? 00.19.35 # worth copying to the wiki for posterity 00.20.24 Join hc1 [0] (n=agashlin@wg-198-hill012.rutgers.edu) 00.20.42 # JdGordon|w: did you notice those weird build errors on your host? 00.21.02 Quit gevaerts ("time to sleep") 00.22.49 # havnt looked yet 00.22.52 # added both? 00.23.09 # no, I started with the "simple" one 00.23.20 # ie not the OS X one 00.23.43 # odd... wtf? that box should have no problems 00.24.12 # ... unless 00.24.52 # it does 00.24.57 # ls -l /bin/sh 00.24.57 # lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-09-09 15:52 /bin/sh -> dash 00.25.10 # but I have the cure 00.25.17 # Didn't you fix that? 00.25.29 # People really should stop assuming bash.. 00.25.39 # I did, but JdGordon has an older acbuild.pl 00.25.52 # i gtrabbed the one off lostlogic's server 00.25.52 # Ah 00.26.01 # cat acbuild.pl | sed 's/echo -e/printf/' 00.26.23 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 00.26.23 Quit goffa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.26.36 # or sed -i 's/echo -e/printf/' (assuming GNU sed) 00.27.44 # JdGordon|w: will you fix or shall I? 00.27.52 # can you? im at work 00.28.07 # ah bugger i have putty open 00.28.19 # I fixed it already 00.28.26 Join aneka [0] (n=kvirc@66.251.26.145) 00.28.28 # :) 00.28.30 # server re-added 00.28.38 # now let's get another commit! 00.28.52 # force a build... i wanna see how fast it is :) 00.29.36 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.29.52 # are there any scripts around to do every build to get ccache going? 00.30.13 # I don't think so 00.32.26 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.32.38 Quit hcs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.34.41 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.34.46 # Someone with a clue should fix those two warnings in cfft.c 00.35.04 # they are gcc bugs though arnt they? 00.35.14 # the fix would need to #if for compiler version or similar 00.35.39 # Confirmed bugs, or just "we believe this code is correct"? 00.37.00 # it's hard to see how the compiler is right on this 00.37.53 Part idnar 00.37.54 # it is being typecast to the exact same type as in the proto 00.38.00 # JdGordon|w: This might work - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/buildall.sh.txt 00.38.20 # ta 00.38.27 # * JdGordon|w gets putty going again to find out 00.38.57 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=Miranda@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 00.39.13 # Bagder: sounds odd indeed.. Maybe it should be reported then (since gcc people might actually care about this platform) 00.39.34 # true 00.40.45 # JdGordon|w: Redownload that script if you've already grabbed it - I've just fixed a couple of errors... 00.43.10 # nup, still no good 00.43.58 # configure not found and no permission to make directories :( 00.44.23 # oh, stupid wget 00.44.42 Join cool_walking_200 [0] (n=Miranda@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 00.45.11 # and away it goes! 00.45.13 # thanks 00.45.40 # I managed to silence the warning 00.45.52 # Nicely? 00.46.04 # not really 00.46.13 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.251.211) 00.46.16 # by using *(const complex_t **) instead of (const complex_t *) 00.46.21 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 00.46.27 # Oh well, "nice" and libfaad don't go together anyway... 00.47.05 # * linuxstb has forgotton what a green build table looks like 00.47.21 # * linuxstb pokes the mrobe 500 people... 00.47.26 # pretty boring iirc :p 00.48.04 # Yes, a yellow stripe on the left will brighten it up. 00.48.14 # Well, 5 of the warnings should be easy to silence 00.48.33 # we can hide all of them 00.49.00 # the thread.c one probably isnt really needed anyway 00.49.11 # Hm? 00.49.24 # thread.c:768:6: warning: #warning core_sleep not implemented, battery life will be decreased 00.49.46 # Yes, that seems like a nice warning? 00.49.56 Part hc1 00.50.08 # meh, its unesaccery 00.50.11 # The rest seem like they'll go away on their own, ish 00.52.36 Quit cool_walking_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.55.15 # Hrm, that list on the polish forum doesn't have the Sansa e200v2s 00.55.16 Quit ender (" I spilled Spot Remover on my dog... Now he's gone.") 00.57.24 # it doesnt have a lot of newer devices 00.58.01 # We should really try and maintain something similar in our wiki. 00.58.06 Join roxfan2 [0] (n=dunno@74.212-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 00.58.08 # yes 00.58.20 # Ah, sounds like the guy who compiled the list has disappeared 00.58.24 # [15:20] worth copying to the wiki for posterity 00.58.27 # * scorche|w winks at linuxstb 00.59.08 # almost green now... 00.59.24 # Best of all, it'll be consistent 00.59.43 Quit ol_schoola () 00.59.43 # I see I need to expand my "fix" 01.00.00 # 4.2.1 has the same warning 01.00.18 # ill fix the mrobe yellow tonight if there is wifi on the slopes.. otherwsie tomrow night 01.00.18 # Bagder: Do you remember if there was a reason for putting (for example) #ifdef SIMULATOR inside .c files (around everything), rather than just excluding the .c file in SOURCES? 01.00.57 # only for the rare circumstances where we wanted a file in all situations 01.01.11 # When would that be? 01.01.19 # I can't think of any right now 01.01.38 # The issue is that the Mac OS X linker (or maybe ranlib) gives warnings about empty .o files. 01.02.30 Nick cool_walking_200 is now known as cool_walking_ (n=Miranda@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 01.03.31 # so maybe when we fix that we learn why it was made this way! ;-P 01.03.48 # ;) 01.04.06 # nothing beats doing the same mistakes twice ;-) 01.04.14 # wait for a few green rows then add my mac to annoy people to get rid of the yellow again :p 01.04.22 # Have there always been SOURCES files? 01.04.31 # since the dawn of time! 01.04.31 # no 01.05.08 # they're actually quite new 01.05.18 # Could that simply be the reason? 01.05.30 # yes it can indeed 01.05.51 # it seems I created them in oct 2004 01.05.56 # SOURCES that is 01.06.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.06.29 # Does this warning-silenced code still work properly? 01.06.35 # Bagder: I'm making a few corrections to HISTORY... what do you think of converting it to UTF8 at the same time? 01.06.53 # amiconn: I _think_ so, but I have no means of testing it 01.06.57 # some plugins also have #ifdef HAVE_BITMAP around them which isn't necessary anymore since SOURCES 01.07.27 # Bagder: Uh? It applies to the sim, so you could certainly test it, I'd think 01.07.46 # quickscreen.c is also surounded by #ifdef HAVE_QUICKSCREEN instead of it being in sources 01.07.56 # first I'd have to hunt down a file using the format... 01.08.11 # but yeah, I could 01.08.13 # * linuxstb points Bagder to http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ 01.08.20 # aha 01.08.56 Quit roxfan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.08.58 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3006.gwdg.de) 01.09.04 Nick roxfan2 is now known as roxfan (n=dunno@74.212-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 01.09.23 # but now I need to go to sleep instead ;-) 01.10.07 # Bagder: nothing against me converting HISTORY to utf8? 01.10.12 # nope 01.10.23 # I suppose we'll know if aac breaks.. 01.11.27 # linuxstb: thanks, that script worked great 01.11.29 # * linuxstb wonders why Monkey's audio gets a mention in HISTORY, but none of the other codecs (which all work better...) 01.11.37 # at least we're down to only 6 warning points now 01.11.55 # linuxstb: because I only did a quick rundown to get something to commit ;-) 01.12.42 # good to see 18 fine servers involved now 01.12.54 # linuxstb: I was going to add WMA at least 01.13.10 # I can add others too 01.13.12 # * Bagder fades away 01.13.59 # Nico_P: I think you can remove Monkey's - we don't want to turn it into a copy of MajorChanges... 01.14.48 # Bagder: you should poke lillebror 01.14.52 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180072106.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.15.00 # linuxstb: makes sense... what about AA? 01.15.09 # rasher: that's zagor's machine 01.15.10 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f1ba34d5ac31e090) 01.15.18 # Bagder: then poke him - same thing 01.15.21 # Sigh sorry to ask this but what's the right wiki on video conversion for rockbox? the new format 01.15.24 # hehe 01.15.25 # all I can find is the old stuff 01.18.23 # PluginMpegplayer 01.18.48 # which is also linked from the manual btw. ;) 01.18.52 # Nico_P: I would say remove that as well... 01.20.20 # Nico_P: But it's hard to judge... I think HISTORY would be more suited to things like support of new targets, and very major developments such as the SWCODEC playback engine first playing sound etc. 01.21.22 # MoB perhaps? 01.21.48 # And maybe things happening around the project - such as the introduction of the forums, moving from sourceforge to flyspray. 01.22.31 # is anyone around who can change filespary? 01.22.41 # i'd really like to make it sort patches by date by default 01.22.43 # linuxstb: getting nastygrams from whoeveritwas 01.22.48 # now they seem to show up in random order for me 01.23.06 # linuxstb: the early parts have quite a lot of software items 01.23.26 # Nico_P: I know, but the document would be huge if we kept up that amount of detail (and it would duplicate majorchanges) 01.23.33 # true 01.24.10 # do we really need HISTORY? 01.24.15 # saratoga: I thought they were sorted by priority first, and then date? 01.24.56 # JdGordon|w: I think it's a nice document - but maybe better in the wiki... 01.25.39 # saratoga: s/priority/severity/ (I think...) 01.25.45 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.25.53 # IMHO MajorChanges should be in SVN and not in the wiki 01.26.41 # Why? Often non-committers helpfully add items there that devs forget. 01.27.10 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.27.10 # 7min to compile all sims on my mac :) 01.27.37 # feh...it takes that long just to buffer one movie for frontrow 01.27.54 # haha yeah unfortunatly 01.28.33 # why it needs to buffer in the first place is anyone's guess.. 01.28.46 # * JdGordon|w shoves scorche into -comm 01.29.01 # thats my line :) 01.31.36 # linuxstb: changing the file at the same time as we commit the feature could become a habit... reason is I feel the file belongs with the source rather than with the website 01.31.42 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 01.32.06 # Nico_P: I guess it could be a chapter/appendix in the manual... 01.32.15 # thanks linuxstb 01.32.29 # Nico_P: we forget FILES enough... you really think we'll remeber major changes also? 01.33.56 # linuxstb: I don't think they are 01.34.03 # the number 2 entry has a severity of "low" 01.34.16 # saratoga: What URL? 01.34.42 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2598 01.34.55 # No, I mean of the list you are viewing. 01.35.12 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 01.35.49 # Yes, all patches from #2 onwards are severity low (afaics) 01.36.00 # #1 is medium, which is why it's first. 01.36.13 # They are then in date order (oldest first). 01.36.33 # ah I see 01.36.45 # well then i guess i'm asking if we can put them in Newest First order 01.37.09 # I wouldn't argue - the first thing I always do is sort them by date. 01.37.39 # Or you could just bookmark http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index/proj1?type=4&order=dateopened&sort=desc&order2=&sort2= 01.38.39 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC") 01.39.19 # JdGordon|w: it would become a habit I guess 01.39.45 # I do admit that I *always* forget FILES 01.40.19 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.40.30 # the committers also often forget to update the manual :P 01.40.36 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-101-125.cpe.cableone.net) 01.40.46 Join markun [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 01.41.26 # haha :) Now I have no excuse since I've gotten a bit more familiar with latex for school 01.41.42 # AA still isn't mentioned in the manual AFAIK 01.41.47 # so on the sansa 200 series using microsdhc, it has worked so far yes? Do you think higher capacities such as the 16gb and upcoming 32gb will work as well? Whats the highest capacity that has been tested? 01.41.48 # yes, one should not mess around at school without using latex. 01.42.06 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.43.35 # Nico_P: yes, the manual is missing quite lot "new" features... 01.45.41 # in meinem PDM-Ordner gibt's 22 Dateien in 7464 Ordners 01.45.44 # *Ordnern 01.45.52 # damn 01.46.02 # wrong tab 01.46.34 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.46.34 # :/ 01.47.53 Join ze_ [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 01.47.59 Join hypercool [0] (n=c0587ccd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81aaa332d264a0c8) 01.48.09 # Alonea: I think 8GB is the largest that's been tested, but afaik there's no reason 16 and 32 shouldn't work 01.48.18 Nick ze_ is now known as ze (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 01.48.30 # Except for their disturbing failure to exist 01.48.45 # rasher: lol. indeed. waiting for a 32 for my smartphone 01.49.01 # are we discussing sdd by any chance? 01.49.07 # ssd 01.49.28 # o 01.49.29 # no 01.50.19 # * linuxstb points hypercool to http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl 01.51.31 # hmm ... 01.51.50 # the /doc dir has quite un-generic contents, right? 01.51.53 # oh hay thanks 01.52.20 # tessarakt: Just out of date contents... 01.52.27 # yeah 01.52.41 Quit SacredTerror (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.52.43 # so the up-to-date contents are in the heads of the developers? 01.53.43 # tessarakt: that's often outdated or inaccurate as well. Trust the source 01.53.50 # *g* 01.53.52 # I'm here because i'm having trouble getting my 4G ipod to update its database. it does have harddrive issues, but i know for a fact that it can correctly mount/read/write etc. I'm actually listening to music on it now via the file browser, any ideas why the database is stuck at 0 found? 01.54.00 # "Use the source, Luke" 01.55.56 # is there perhaps a way to make the database on my machine and just copy it to ./rockbox? 01.56.08 # with the simulator or something perhaps? 01.56.29 # hypercool: Are you using Linux/ 01.56.30 # ? 01.56.38 # not at the moment 01.56.54 # i'm dual boot gutsy and vista 01.57.01 # There used to be a db-creation-tool, but it doesn't compile now 01.57.20 # well that sucks 01.57.33 # I don't think it ever worked anyway - it was more a proof of concept that compiled but was lacking a working main() function... 01.57.51 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.58.07 # But yes, you could probably use the sim if you sym-linked your ipod's disk to the place the sim looks for music. 01.58.54 Quit pixelma (" reboot") 01.59.06 # i'll try it 01.59.07 Join Falco98 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-066-056-186-106.sc.res.rr.com) 02.00.20 # linuxstb: The symlink probably won't work, as the path is still different 02.01.14 # would just copying the contents of the harddrive to the achos dir of the sim work? 02.01.16 # That is, unless you make a symlink *replacing the archos/ sub-dir of the simulator build. That'd require to install the sim's .rockbox folder on the target 02.01.40 # amiconn: Yes, that's what I meant. 02.01.43 # Or just having the music in a subdir of archos/ 02.01.48 # Hmm, and it also only works if the sim has the same endianess as the target 02.02.02 # amiconn: I'm pretty sure the db is endian-agnostic 02.02.04 # I'm not sure if that's true - didn't Slasheri add endian-conversion? 02.02.30 # (specifically to support PC-side generation IIRC) 02.02.39 # rasher: Yeah, that would work too. I never think of it as I'm not a fried of unnecessary folder levels 02.03.06 # For me, it would work when adding ~10 symlinks 02.03.18 # amiconn: depends what you mean by unnecessary - I'd like to keep videos and music apart for example 02.03.39 # And text files etc. 02.03.47 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 02.06.18 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 02.06.32 # Yeah, me too, but music is still the main purpose of a dap, and so my music category (coarse genre) folder are at the top level 02.06.56 # That's especially helpful since 'follow playlist' is still broken 02.07.06 # folderS 02.08.30 # follow playlist is broken? 02.08.42 # yes 02.09.02 # It only works when you switch to the browser while playing, but not when the playlist ends 02.09.25 # ah that 02.12.41 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.13.25 # rasher: Was it you who was investigating the final GPLv2 version of espeak? 02.14.23 # linuxstb: It was. But then I ran into a legal conundrum. I was moving modifications back to the last gplv2 version, and I figured those modifications were probably gplv3 as well. So that's probably no good 02.14.47 # Modifications made by whom? 02.15.17 # But... whoever it was that posted the original patch. 02.15.30 # But won't those be a derivative work of the gplv3 code? 02.15.42 # I probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere anyway 02.16.10 # Possibly, but I'm sure Toni is contactable. 02.17.47 # I'm afraid I've removed it actually, but really, I hadn't done much useful 02.20.25 # No problem, I was just playing with the "voice aid" feature on my nokia phone and it made me wonder if there was any progress with espeak... 02.21.14 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 02.22.11 # It seems that using the pre-GPLv3 version is the only option - if the author was prepared to revert back to GPLv2 I guess he would have offered by now, and there doesn't seem any desire to make Rockbox GPLv3... 02.22.39 # Indeed, on all accounts 02.23.47 # * amiconn would like to see rockbox going gpl v3 asap 02.24.08 # * linuxstb too 02.25.00 # I think I've said all I ever need to (and more!), on that subject. 02.25.23 # Was anyone else pro-v3 apart from amiconn and me? 02.26.13 # I don't really remember 02.30.57 # The thread on -dev has a bunch of minor contributors saying they don't care, mostly 02.31.15 Quit Alonea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.31.25 # should probably phrase it as "is anyone opposed" 02.32.27 # I am, technically. But I realize that I don't really have any useful contributions so I won't make a fuss. 02.32.46 # linuxstb: Greping shows no others except elinenbe (indirectly, check 20070828) 02.33.34 # Most of the discussion so far happened 20070824 02.34.41 # Is Ray Lambert a committer? He seems very pro-v3, but I don't recognise the name 02.37.35 # it worked 02.37.42 # let it be known that i'm a genius 02.38.14 # i wish they'd hurry up and get control of solid state harddrives so that i'd stop getting i/o errors 02.38.49 # wouldn't code that was taken fron other gplv2 projects be a problem when moving to v3? or is all code from other projects "v2 or later". 02.39.24 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.39.38 # rasher: hes in the credits file but I don't know what he did 02.39.39 # PaulJam_: I think someone said it was v2 or later 02.41.30 # What's uisimulator/battery.c doing? 02.44.25 # saratoga: He's mentioned in the commit notes twice, once for a id3 parser bug and once for A-B repeat on Archos devices 02.49.15 Quit hcs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.50.17 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-132-142-206.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 02.50.19 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.50.32 Quit hypercool ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.51.27 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 02.51.49 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.53.51 Quit n17ikh|Lappy ("Leaving") 02.54.16 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 02.56.15 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-140-88-6.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 03.01.37 # are there docs for the simulator? 03.03.19 # UiSimulator in the wiki 03.06.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.06.25 # thanks 03.08.32 # it's not very high in Google ... 03.08.52 # there are mailing list archives first, and a forum message with a dead link 03.13.11 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.15.30 Quit BitTorment ("SEGFAULT: shit!") 03.19.19 Join madman91 [0] (n=madman91@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-30c854f418703c19) 03.19.21 # hello 03.20.46 # does the 6th generation ipod classic have encrypted firmware that is "un"crackable for the time being? 03.23.33 # tessarakt: there is a "Search" link on the wiki main page (not the button in the left side menu) which leads to the pure wiki search, a bit hidden... 03.23.50 # ah, I found information on the matter 03.23.50 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.23.54 # now that I know it's in the wiki ... 03.23.55 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 03.30.47 Part pixelma 03.35.35 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.35.38 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-225-081.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.35.48 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-225-081.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.43.09 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.52.49 Quit Falco98 ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 03.54.06 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 03.58.15 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f0c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1ad8cf6f072f12cb) 03.58.56 Quit aneka ("KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 03.59.42 # Is cygwin a command prompt program? 04.01.36 # That's not a very meaningful question. 04.02.01 # Do you mean "does cygwin present its user interface in a console window"? If so, more or less yes. 04.04.28 # Llorean: Yes, that is what I meant. For some reason, cygwin is not installing and launching properly for me when following the instructions at > http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 04.06.03 # When I finish downloading it, is it supposed to "install" because all of the files it downloaded stay on my desktop when they are supposed to be moved into the cygwin directory in the hardrive, correct? 04.09.34 # Then, I deleted the old downloaded files and ran the installer again and it turned out looking like this > http://aycu01.webshots.com/image/42520/2003233547324787373_rs.jpg This doesn't look like the first attempt at installation.What do I do with the n/a things? 04.10.31 # And what do the B. and S. mean after the "Category and New" in the menu? 04.11.47 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.19.05 # Any cygwin experts around? 04.19.26 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 04.26.25 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-0-218-198.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 04.32.57 # Rerunning cygwin installation. All seems to be going fine for now... 04.36.52 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC") 04.38.47 # I think "B" and "S" are Binary and Source. 04.39.07 Join azn [0] (n=18048891@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7c1420baaff7df91) 04.39.49 # im trying to put ".gbc" file into my friends ipod but when i do i can't open them what do i do? 04.40.05 # Just leave the n/a things. Just click on the word "Skip", to change it to " 04.40.10 # ... "install" 04.40.36 # what 04.40.43 # i got the files onto mine 04.40.47 # azn: Wasn't talking to you 04.40.53 # o 04.41.01 # azn: didnt we go through this last night? 04.41.09 # thats was on mine 04.41.16 # i got the hang of it on mine 04.41.21 # it is done the same way... 04.41.33 # i know but i can't open it 04.41.42 # i see the file but i can't open it 04.41.44 # what does it do? 04.41.45 # What happens when you try and open it? 04.41.50 # nothing 04.41.57 # define nothing 04.42.09 # screen stays the same 04.42.12 # nothing loads 04.42.19 # and doesnt change? at all? 04.42.34 # nope 04.42.44 # are you sure the button works? 04.42.53 # ye 04.43.07 # and this is with a current build? 04.43.13 # yea 04.43.18 Quit LambdaCalculus37 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.43.36 # try a past one i guess....or a different rom 04.43.41 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.43.42 # Choose "open with" from the context menu, and choose Rockboy. 04.44.43 # context menu 04.44.45 # ? 04.45.00 # how are you trying to open it? 04.45.11 # by clicking on it 04.45.27 # Hold the "select" button down, while the cursor is on the .gbc file. 04.45.36 # It should come up with a context menu. 04.45.37 # that isnt how it says to in the manual.. 04.46.24 # is r1630 the current build 04.47.06 # You must have left a digit out there... that's a _very_ old number. 04.47.53 # 16239 is current. 04.48.16 # 080206 04.48.42 # is the left # 04.48.55 Quit csc` ("Powering Off") 04.50.20 # Yeah, you must mean r16230, not r1630. 04.50.58 # the "080206" is the date - 6th of feb 2008. 04.52.42 # ill try installing the current build 04.56.25 # yea that worked 04.56.27 # thanks 04.56.32 # u guys r awesome! 04.57.18 Quit azn ("CGI:IRC") 04.57.37 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-67-166-49-171.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 04.58.40 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.58.42 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.59.00 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4327.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.03.11 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 05.05.39 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 05.06.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.18.10 Join Falco98 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-066-056-186-106.sc.res.rr.com) 05.21.04 Join ol_schoola_ [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 05.21.34 Quit ol_schoola (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.21.55 Join raky_ [0] (i=r4kz@p57A61738.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 05.37.30 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 05.38.59 Quit raky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.50.59 Quit csc` ("Powering Off") 06.11.36 Join swedishfish [0] (n=45fcc209@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8769ee4001b378cf) 06.11.40 # hello 06.11.45 # hello 06.12.32 # ballin anyone here? 06.12.36 Quit fyre^OS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.12.43 Quit swedishfish (Client Quit) 06.24.53 Quit Falco98 (Connection timed out) 06.32.54 Join Falco98 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-066-056-186-106.sc.res.rr.com) 06.50.07 Join VegasGT [0] (n=MirandaI@adsl-69-110-222-183.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 06.50.26 # I know this may be a stretch, but is there any progress of a rockbox version for Zune? 06.50.36 # ]no 06.50.42 # any progress (none) would be in the New Ports forum 06.50.53 # Didn't think so. 06.57.22 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 06.58.57 Part bughunter2 07.00.31 Part VegasGT 07.06.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.09.38 # hm.. my sansa e280 gets stuck in the original OS, "Updating Database".. so now I can't transfer any files to it :( 07.11.30 # hm.. found a FAQ on this 07.12.48 Join star_jasmine [0] (n=arwyneve@75.108.74.16) 07.15.09 # hi everyone... I wanted to know if anyone would help me with a strange error I have when making voices in cygwin with the speex codec. 07.15.37 # I followed sean's tutorial, and the voice is created, but it is only 6k, whereas it should be at least 800kb 07.16.26 # reinstalling did not solve the problem unfortunately. I am using windows xp 07.20.59 Part toffe82 07.21.01 # now, I am attempting to download the latest build of today to see if that solves the problem 07.23.45 Join azn [0] (n=18048891@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c2c2395e4e3852b8) 07.24.06 # how do you install pacman 07.26.10 Quit star_jasmine () 07.27.27 # hello 07.27.40 # azn, read the wiki. 07.29.28 # hm..fixed by "Refreshing Datbase" problem.. 07.31.43 Quit azn ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.40.09 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@79.131.107.65) 07.41.02 Quit midgey () 07.42.10 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@130-127-79-30.calhoun.resnet.clemson.edu) 07.44.24 Quit ol_schoola_ () 07.45.36 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 07.51.12 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.00.05 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.utwente.nl) 08.10.24 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-28-93.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.13.25 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0F46B.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.24.02 Join spr0k3t_ [0] (n=spr0k3t@CPE-69-76-171-220.kc.res.rr.com) 08.26.29 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host118-214-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.30.35 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.30.52 Join Addicted_ [0] (n=fnode@sh33p.g0.m33p.info) 08.31.27 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.32.35 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 08.32.50 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 08.37.44 Quit Addicted (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.37.45 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.38.42 Quit spr0k3t (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.42.55 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 08.47.55 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 08.48.13 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 08.49.04 Part Falco98 08.49.14 Join Sanus|art [0] (n=chatzill@IGLD-83-130-216-23.inter.net.il) 08.51.10 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.55.03 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 08.55.45 Part LinusN 09.05.01 Quit cool_walking_ ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 09.06.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.07.02 # Hello, I'd like to ask permission for wiki editing, I hope it is a right way to do so. 09.07.19 # sure, what's your wiki name 09.07.37 # It's SashaKhamkov 09.07.54 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 09.08.37 # Sanus|art 09.08.39 # done 09.08.59 # Thank you very much. 09.09.03 # np 09.10.03 Join conando [0] (i=Soeren@dslb-084-060-139-234.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.10.42 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 09.13.04 Quit conando (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.13.20 Join conando [0] (i=Soeren@dslb-084-060-139-234.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.13.52 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.28.56 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.31.50 Join sbhsu [0] (n=a6530466@Zion.dorm.au.edu.tw) 09.47.30 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.49.04 Part Sanus|art 09.54.45 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy15.netz.sbs.de) 10.04.11 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@s1.pyhrn-priel.tv) 10.04.27 Quit knittl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.09.14 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 10.11.33 Part LinusN 10.18.28 Join newcomer_c240 [0] (n=3e70de09@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6f959610d4cfdaa2) 10.20.01 Quit newcomer_c240 (Client Quit) 10.20.12 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 10.20.15 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.20.44 # did anyone get any further theorising on the ATA issue on the Gigabeat S ? 10.20.52 Join c240 [0] (n=103314DB@3e70de9.adsl.enternet.hu) 10.21.06 # i.e. did anyone look for ways to set up the timing on it? 10.21.37 # hello 10.22.19 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967C22.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.23.16 # I need a little help regarding the installation of RB on Sansa C240V1. I have read the manual, and there is a automatic or a manual install method. Could someone please advise if automatic method works flawlessly with sansa c240? 10.24.37 # I also have searched forums, but could not find any feedback from c240 users on this :( 10.26.20 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.27.24 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.31.17 # c240: I don't know, but if I was you I would try the automatic install and see what happens... 10.33.27 # could automatic install brick the player? 10.34.34 # or just in case of failure I can try the manual install? 10.34.45 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@s1.pyhrn-priel.tv) 10.36.09 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-160-247.nyc.res.rr.com) 10.37.56 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@219-90-228-199.ip.adam.com.au) 10.38.05 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-206-46-5.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.38.18 # c240: I think it just wouldn't work. Got some questions: what operating system are you running on your computer (so what RbUtil version would you use for the automatic installation) and what original firmware version is there exactly on your c240? Should be in their System menu I think 10.39.39 Quit scubacoles (Client Quit) 10.40.05 # XPSP2, 1.01.00F 10.43.42 # ok, automatic install should work. You need to set the USB mode in the original firmware to "MSC" - this note is currently only in the manual installation section of the manual and for the complete installation (including the bootloader) you have to run rbutil as admin, not sure if the manual mentions it 10.45.21 # I already setup msc mode. the sansapatcher is integrated into the automatic setup? this info is not mentioned in the maual. 10.45.37 # yes 10.45.41 # wouldn't be very automatic if it wasn't.... 10.46.09 # indeed :) 10.46.30 # thank you for your help. I will try soon :) 10.48.19 Join ze_ [0] (n=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 10.51.55 Join Horscht [0] (n=3e60ea11@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b8ae51ca6e9a709) 10.53.18 Join CaptainSquid83 [0] (n=Miranda@proxy15.netz.sbs.de) 10.54.08 # what does the '|=' operator do in C? Don't think I've seen it before. 10.54.22 # Not equal 10.54.35 # Ah, sorry, I misread 10.54.43 # It's a logical OR 10.54.51 # a != 0x01 will set bit 0 10.54.59 # * pondlife types wrong 10.55.15 # Too early for using the correct characters 10.55.29 Quit Horscht (Client Quit) 10.55.41 # I think pondlife meant that a |= b is the same as a = a | b (bitwise OR) 10.55.41 Join uski [0] (n=uski@uski.ST.HMC.Edu) 10.55.50 # I did 10.56.05 # hi, i have a sansa e260 and i'd like to put a video on it. Which format should i choose ? I can reencode to almost everything (i'll use transcode) 10.56.17 # thanks ;) 10.56.38 # uski: MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 video, with MP2 or MP3 audio, in an MPEG program stream container. The video should be resized to your LCD's size (220x176). 10.57.08 # ok, thanks; i guess mpeg1 is bigger but requires less computing power to decode, hence i'll get a better battery life out of it 10.57.14 # uski: This page has some encoding information for Rockbox - http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer 10.59.32 # thanks 10.59.58 # I don't think you'll find much difference between mpeg1 and mpeg2 though. 11.00.08 Quit CaptainSquid (Remote closed the connection) 11.00.29 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.00.29 Nick ze_ is now known as ze (n=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 11.01.32 Join webguest86 [0] (n=3e60ea11@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-907a5de981b5d9cd) 11.03.35 # are there any other targets which do similar ATA timing magic to that done in ata_device_init() in ata-imx31.c ? 11.03.40 Quit webguest86 (Client Quit) 11.06.00 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.06.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.08.04 Quit c240 (Remote closed the connection) 11.08.40 Quit MattAndrew (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.09.20 Join markun [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 11.17.28 Quit knittl (Remote closed the connection) 11.26.59 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 11.29.56 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (Session timeout)") 11.30.04 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.30.47 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.31.37 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 11.33.59 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 11.37.21 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 11.42.51 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 11.43.20 Quit petur ("reboot") 11.59.48 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 12.03.02 Join markun [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 12.09.30 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 12.23.42 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955D742.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.33.23 Join cg_ [0] (n=cromos@88.193.143.80) 12.44.16 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.46.50 Quit cg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.49.18 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 12.52.02 Join TiMiD[FD] [0] (n=TiMiD@ntoska162050.oska.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) 12.56.48 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 13.00.20 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3044.gwdg.de) 13.01.16 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-011.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 13.04.33 # More progress on FS#8562 : I can now mount my sansa c250 read-only, and actually access the filesystem 13.04.49 # \o/ 13.05.12 # Is it reliable? 13.05.29 # I mean "stable" ? 13.05.30 # Not yet. It stopped working after copying about 60 MB 13.05.45 # awesome news! 13.05.47 # Error handling is still nearly non-existent 13.05.49 # Very nice work. What was the issue? 13.06.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.58 # w00000t§§§ 13.07.06 # * preglow leaps from walls 13.07.07 # Not enough sleep :) Basically you have to link multiple transfer descriptors to enable larger transfers, but I made some mistakes on that yesterday. Now it works 13.07.56 # Any idea of the transfer speed yet? 13.08.13 # Next is write support, although I think maybe sd-card support should come first (so I can test writing to that one instead of risking destroying the firmware) 13.09.03 # Shame you don't have an ipod - they have a bootloader and USB disk mode in flash ROM, meaning you can trash the disk and still recover easily. 13.09.45 # linuxstb: no. I'm not really looking at it right now. Once everything works at full speed I might have another look at this high-speed issue 13.10.11 # linuxstb: from what I read recovering a sansa shouldn't be too hard either 13.10.31 # at least it has five-six different layers of recovery mechanisms :) 13.10.32 # Yes, I was just thinking that - e200tool should do the job. 13.11.11 # gevaerts: still, this rockbox thoroughly, looking forward to seeing more progress :) 13.11.13 # GodEater: have you done more investigation re the ATA failures on the S? 13.11.20 # ehh 13.11.25 # s/rockbox/rocks/ :> 13.12.27 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A5DA2.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.13.15 # congrats! Nice progress! :) 13.13.25 # preglow: write support shouln't be too hard, and going through the code to replace quick fixes with "real" code should take care of most of the stability issues 13.13.46 # congrats! nice work 13.18.03 # commit! :) 13.19.03 # preglow: go ahead :) 13.19.56 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955D742.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.20.50 # Having worked with USB drivers before definitely helps with this stuff 13.21.25 # gevaerts: what caused the 95-bytes issue? 13.21.50 # Zagor: no idea. I'm still working on full speed with 64 byte packets 13.21.58 Join BitTorment [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 13.22.30 # oh, I thought the 95 problem was with 64-byte packets 13.23.25 # No. You actually can't do 64 byte packets on high speed (unless you count "short packets" at the end of a transfer). 13.23.43 # That's partly why I tried full speed 13.26.47 # gevaerts: from where are you in Belgium? ;) 13.27.31 # petur: between Hasselt and Tongeren 13.27.44 Join crazy_bus [0] (n=philip@CPE-121-217-26-57.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 13.27.54 # nice... I'm in Gent 13.28.43 # can anyone tell me if the patch referred to here has being applied to svn. Because I experience a similar problem to whats reported in this bug http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8215?histring=bookmark 13.29.47 # all this talk about belgium makes me think about beer... 13.31.36 # * petur figures he could have done a whois iso asking 13.33.36 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 13.33.41 # petur: at least the web-based one should work 13.34.30 # * petur gets a work NMI :( 13.35.42 Part sbeh 13.37.01 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 13.37.18 Quit jurrie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.37.56 # crazy_bus, if it hasn't been closed with a message like "accepted to svn" then it hasn't been applied to the svn code. 13.38.01 # I just read the log and figured I'd better talk to someone real that my subconcious couldn't have simulated, to ensure I'm not dreaming :) 13.39.07 # you think we are real? ;) 13.39.12 # krazykit: my bug seems to have differences it doesn't display the correct time for a instant like in that report and the fix of rewinding a few seconds does nothing. Should I open a new report 13.39.36 # Hrm...do something random 13.39.47 # How safe is it to write to flash from a usb transfer ? Is there a cache that should be flushed or anything like that ? 13.39.58 # cool_walking_, read the guidelines, please. 13.40.24 # krazykit: I have, I just tend to ignore them from time to time. 13.40.28 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 13.40.40 # cool_walking_, please don't, as it clutters the logs. 13.42.10 # crazy_bus, you could apply the patch and see if it takes care of your problem 13.44.22 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.46.22 Quit cg_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.52.15 # gevaerts: why would you want to do that? 13.52.39 # depends what flash you mean, i guess 13.56.54 # preglow: once we have write support, people will be mounting their device filesystems on their PC (after all, that's what this UMS thing is all about). That means bypassing the fat driver, so presumably the fat driver needs to be disabled while the usb connection is active. How should that be done ? 13.57.39 # Nico_P: I've not got that far yet - I was trying to understand what aliask's code in the ata_device_init() routine is actually doing 13.57.42 # gevaerts: we simply make it captive screen and pause the music, so nothing else is running. 13.57.56 # GodEater: have you looked at the datasheet? 13.58.03 # I'm struggling to understand where he's pulled all those numbers from 13.58.18 # yes, but the numbers he's plugging in seem a little random 13.58.32 # ah 13.58.47 # I'll try to look too when I finish what I'm doing (hopefully soon) 13.58.56 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 13.58.57 # I assume he had a good reason for using them though (perhaps dissassembly ?) 13.59.09 # ouch, are usb transfers always that low level? 13.59.27 # I was hoping we had a similar target that requires timing set up too - but no-one's said one way or the other 13.59.29 # Zagor: is there any filesystem buffering (next tracks on the playlist,...) ? 13.59.29 # preglow: ums is. mass-storage is scsi-over-usb 13.59.43 # so that would make it hard to, say, sniff the traffic and rebuild the database on the fly? 13.59.48 # gevaerts: we have read buffering on different levels, of course, but not write buffering 14.00.06 # preglow: yes. that's why the invented MTP 14.00.08 # they 14.00.49 # Zagor: OK. That means that stuff might crash after USB disconnection, but there should be no corruption. 14.01.38 # gevaerts: we handle such usb transitions already on other targets (with hw usb bridges), so this is not new. 14.02.34 # Zagor: ok, I won't worry about that then. 14.03.06 # * preglow wonders if the mtp spec is open 14.03.06 # gevaerts: we have an infrastructure where all threads get a usb connect signal and must ACK it before we activate the usb connection 14.03.21 # gevaerts: see SYS_USB_CONNECTED in the source 14.03.30 # preglow: I don't know, but libmtp is open source and seems quite complete. 14.03.35 # leet 14.03.49 # But that's obviously just dealing with the client (PC) side. 14.04.01 # well, i think most can be inferred from that 14.04.16 # Although I have a feeling MS have submitted it to be a standard somewhere. 14.04.31 # "The USB Implementers Forum device working group is presently working on standardizing MTP as a fully fledged Universal Serial Bus (USB) device class." 14.04.48 # We implement MTP Basic, the stuff proposed for standardization. 14.04.51 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet29.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 14.05.08 # yeah, could be nice 14.05.19 # A nice google project for the summer... 14.05.40 # I think it's already listed on the wiki. 14.05.56 # and summer seems to be approaching already... 14.06.31 # Zagor: How feasible would plugins be for UMS/MTP/etc ? i.e. drivers that require claiming 100% of resources. 14.06.46 # I guess mtp is quite a bit more complex than ums. 14.07.08 # possible, but perhaps a bit messy 14.07.10 # GodEater: Many targets require ata timing setup, e.g. coldfire and PP 14.07.18 # Maybe ptp would be sufficient. That one is standardized, but doesn't do drm (and maybe some more stuff) 14.07.23 # Zagor: So your feeling is that drivers are best in the core? 14.07.25 # apple uses their own thing for transfers, no? 14.07.31 # preglow: No, just UMS. 14.07.36 # On PP we're not actually doing it though - we just hope the original loader sets usable values 14.07.45 # linuxstb: that's my gut feeling yes, but I haven't really looked at what it would entail 14.07.48 Quit crazy_bus (Remote closed the connection) 14.07.53 # (afaik, although there appears to be some extra private SCSI commands on top) 14.07.58 # yeah 14.08.12 # Things like setting the clock, and getting identification info from the ipod. 14.08.37 # you mean set clock is not part of scsi? ;) 14.10.02 # SCSI_GETIPODINFO surely sounds like a standard request too 14.10.07 # hehe 14.10.19 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@s1.pyhrn-priel.tv) 14.10.34 # GodEater: I seem to remember wondering the same as you when looking at the ATA code 14.10.59 # darn! it's a sansa v2 14.11.19 # If anyone is interested - http://ipodlinux.org/Device_Information 14.11.42 # We would need to handle that if a Rockbox'd ipod is to be identified by itunes. 14.11.44 # anything happened on the sansa v2/ams side? 14.11.50 # linuxstb: do we want that? :-) 14.12.00 Join buggbox [0] (n=414a01f0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-965004df06ae36c6) 14.12.44 # linuxstb: what would the point be to integrate itunes with rockbox? can itunes work without its' own database? 14.13.00 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 14.13.43 # no, afaik 14.13.47 # amiconn: how are ATA timings determined? 14.13.51 # and we don't want to encourage people to use the itunes db... 14.13.57 # H140, latest cureent: rockbox freezes when viewing .txt books with a line mode other than normal selected 14.14.02 # Zagor: Lots of Rockbox users still seem to use itunes to manage their music, so would expect that still to work with Rockbox's USB mode. But of course, we could just tell them to reboot to the Apple firmware if they want to talk to itunes. 14.14.39 # linuxstb: hmm, so itunes doesn't require their own database? 14.14.59 # Yes, it does. 14.14.59 # quite annoying for if I inaverdently select right joystick, it'll freeze the player 14.16.00 # I seriously wonder what the point of using rockbox is, if you use itunes anyways... 14.16.40 # Games and themes... 14.16.42 # Horscht: well itunes is a desktop software. rockbox is the player software. I could see a point. but I can't see how it would work. 14.16.47 # buggbox: this is a known issue, see FS#8445 14.16.59 # The reason I use rockbox is so I don't have to use any 3rd party software to manager my music. Just plug the ipod in any PC and transfer files 14.17.02 # not without us adopting the itunes db format 14.17.59 # Zagor: Rockbox works fine with itunes at the moment... itunes leaves the tags in the files, and the Rockbox database indexes those files. 14.18.14 # fix da bugs, dont implement new features 14.18.24 # There are plugins for iTunes to make it sync to "pure" UMS devices too 14.18.24 Quit buggbox ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.18.27 # stuff like rating doesn't interface with the itunes db, though 14.18.35 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 14.18.41 # so it doesn't do the filename obfuscation, and doesn't update a DAP side database 14.19.30 # preglow: Sure, we don't fully integrate with itunes (we don't support their playlists or album art database either), but Rockbox is still usable with itunes-transferred music. 14.20.26 # deed 14.20.39 # hmm 14.20.40 # ok, nice 14.20.42 # amiconn: wrt to other targets that use ATA timing, have we any that look like the do similar set up to the Gigabeat S, and if so, where do we get the right values? Is it all just trial and error or what ? 14.20.49 # does itunes tag files with gapless info, or leave that in the db? 14.21.00 # I'm pretty sure it's in the tags. 14.21.06 # preglow: it does something nasty with the comments field 14.21.10 # do we currently support their way of doing it? 14.21.14 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 14.21.15 # hell no 14.21.16 # GodEater: omfg :/ 14.21.39 # GodEater: ATA timing stuff was mostly taken from the linux bsp IIRC 14.21.41 # voilating standards for fun and profit... 14.21.52 Quit ze (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.22.04 # Zagor: *is* there a standard way to do it with mp3 ? 14.22.06 # afaik rockbox supports the itunes gapless info (at least for aac, for mp3 it isn't used) 14.22.07 # hm. is this anything new: fdisk reports weird partition table with sansa v2 14.22.13 # aliask: ah cool - you're here :) 14.22.20 # Not for long 14.22.24 # oh :( 14.22.31 # GodEater: well no, I was more referring to id3 14.22.42 # ah ok 14.22.45 # I have maybe 5 mins. I said I left to pick someone up 10 minutes ago 14.23.02 # go then, we'll pick it up another time 14.23.08 # it'll give me more time to try to grok your code anyway ;) 14.23.19 # Okidoke. Good luck! :) 14.23.21 Quit aliask (Client Quit) 14.23.36 # isn't ID3 a hack anyways? 14.25.17 # preglow: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=48231&st=125&p=430949&#entry430949 14.26.08 # GodEater, preglow: see r13636 14.28.04 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.29.24 # Nico_P, GodEater: No, the ata timings are well defined by the ata standard 14.29.51 # amiconn: in which case you could take a look at the code in question, and let me/us know if they're right or not ;) 14.29.56 # And the system manual should describe how to setup the ata controller 14.30.12 # For coldfire it does - for PP we have no manual 14.31.38 # we use PIO usually yes ? 14.32.40 # Yes, on all targets so far 14.32.44 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.163) 14.33.04 # We use PIO4, but we don't handle the power-on sequence properly 14.33.52 # The disk usually does not power up in pio4, and as per the standard, must be configured for pio4 before using such fast timings 14.34.34 # ok - I don't recall seeing anything in aliask's code to get it into pio4 14.34.36 # so I'll start there 14.35.22 # btw - the error message states to press "ON to debug" - what does that actually mean ? 14.35.22 # GodEater: are you looking at the datasheet too? 14.35.26 # Nico_P: yes 14.35.30 # ok 14.35.37 # the timing section might as well be written in greek though 14.35.38 # :) 14.36.35 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@161.210.6.204) 14.38.35 # GodEater: It means that the ports debug screen will be called when pressing ON 14.38.48 # The button name is a fixed-string leftover from the archos recorders 14.39.06 # I guess that bit isn't implemented in this port then 14.39.09 # gevaerts: I'm trying to test your latest patch on my (hard-disk) ipod, but get an error about "blocksize" being undefined in usbstack/usb_storage.c:201 14.42.57 # linuxstb: oops, sorry. That should be SECTOR_SIZE 14.43.57 # No problem. 14.44.13 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 14.44.27 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 14.49.32 # gevaerts: It seems to work ;) 14.50.00 # I can mount and do an ls... 14.50.26 # \o/ 14.50.40 # Great! 14.51.01 # I'm now trying to copy a directory of FLACs from the device 14.51.03 Join Sanus|art [0] (i=user@IGLD-83-130-216-23.inter.net.il) 14.51.07 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.52.20 Part Sanus|art 14.52.40 # * GodEater runs to try it too 14.53.29 # * linuxstb wonders if SECTOR_SIZE is correct for the 5.5g ipods 14.54.10 # linuxstb: no idea. That's what Zagor put there before I got my hands on the driver. 14.54.39 # gevaerts: I'm getting this in my logs now "Feb 7 13:51:31 pre670 kernel: usb 1-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2", and the copy appears to have frozen at about 20MB 14.54.49 # (that log message is repeating) 14.55.00 # At 30 second intervals. 14.55.04 Join Sanus|art [0] (i=user@IGLD-83-130-216-23.inter.net.il) 14.55.43 # Yes. That's what I am seeing as well after a while. I think there is still something wrong in prime_transfer() 14.55.45 # Ah no, it's carrying on now... 14.56.02 # It seemed to come alive again, finish the first (29MB file) and is now on the second. 14.56.25 # Can you check if the file is correct ? 14.56.34 # Sure. 14.56.53 # It passes the flac internal verification. 14.57.02 # So yes, I think it's correct. 14.57.19 # And it sounds fine ;) 14.57.53 # I hope to have write support sometime tonight 14.58.02 # linuxstb: I'll find out about the sector size correctness in a moment I guess 14.58.30 # gevaerts: The potential issue with the 5.5g is that the Apple firmware exposes the disk with 2048-byte sectors, but the disk is in reality 512-byte sectors (or something like that...) 14.58.51 # GodEater: I think you should hard-code it to 2048... 14.59.08 # and at least on the 80GB version, only allows writes / reads in 2 sector multiples 14.59.59 # linuxstb: I'll see what happens with the default SECTOR_SIZE first 15.00.10 # I suspect it'll read goblidigook 15.00.22 # How does linux behave with not-512-bytes blocksizes ? 15.00.37 # I think it's happy. 15.02.25 # yeah it's fine 15.02.35 # ok - this won't even mount currently ;) 15.04.26 # I got lots of "rejecting I/O to dead device" 15.04.36 # If I understand http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html#i5 correctly, the current 128kb transfer buffer should be enough fr windows and linux. Does anyone know a more authoritative source for the windows side, and for macos ? 15.05.16 # GodEater: what sector size does the fat driver use ? 15.05.28 # 512KB still 15.05.35 # assuming you mean Rockbox's 15.05.41 # 512 byte even 15.06.21 # all the magic happens in our ATA driver currentlyu 15.06.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.06.31 # amiconn is the mad scientist behind it all :) 15.06.56 # Then I don't really see why it doesn't work for usb 15.07.21 # GodEater: Are you trying hard-coding to 2048? 15.07.27 # linuxstb: I'm trying that now 15.07.27 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.07.29 # uno momento 15.08.11 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-28-93.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.08.19 # GodEater: I guess you've noticed that Rockbox stays in the menus - it doesn't enter the USB screen... 15.08.31 # linuxstb: er no 15.08.35 # it enters the usb screen here 15.08.38 Join defukt [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.252.55) 15.08.44 # Hmm... 15.08.46 # sd 13:0:0:0: [sdb] 4172286288 512-byte hardware sectors (2136211 MB) 15.08.52 # doesn't look promising 15.08.58 # I wish it was that big ;) 15.09.54 # that's with the SECTOR_SIZE set to 2048 15.11.15 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 15.12.23 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet30.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 15.12.59 Quit ol_schoola (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.14.58 Join Ro [0] (i=rowoad@84-203-59-49.mysmart.ie) 15.15.36 Part Ro 15.16.11 # http://pastebin.ca/895009 15.16.31 # ok - previous effort I mistakenly just changed blocksize to 2048 15.16.37 # 2084 ;) 15.16.39 # the output there is once I change the SECTOR_SIZE 15.16.58 # um 15.16.59 # cock! 15.17.17 Quit CaptainSquid83 (Remote closed the connection) 15.17.20 # * GodEater recompiles 15.17.49 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.17.51 # well spotted that man 15.18.11 # The ' [sdb] Unsupported sector size 2084. 15.18.21 # bit is interesting. 15.18.28 # yes - my fault 15.18.34 # I'm correcting that now 15.18.55 # new pastebin in a moment hopefully 15.19.22 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 15.19.34 # http://pastebin.ca/895011 15.19.36 # much better 15.20.04 # still won't mount though 15.20.22 Join OWL [0] (i=smorking@eM60-254-248-212.pool.emnet.ne.jp) 15.20.53 # although I'm not sure why though 15.20.54 # It still looks like a disk I'd like to have 15.21.00 # the MBR looks fine 15.21.39 # Can you "dd" the first 1MB or so of /dev/sdb1 (the firmware partition)? 15.21.59 # I just dd'd the MBR 15.22.00 # hang on 15.22.26 # If you try /dev/sdb1, that may show you if Linux is interpreting the partition table correctly. 15.22.34 # http://pastebin.ca/895013 15.22.46 # The Apple (C) should be the very first thing in /dev/sdb1 15.23.18 # Yep, that looks like an MBR... 15.23.48 Quit OWL (Nick collision from services.) 15.24.11 # hrm 15.24.28 # Also, does "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" report 2048 byte sectors? 15.24.28 # The sector count is way off 15.25.16 # Yes, mine is too - fdisk reports that I have a 1TB disk in my ipod ;) 15.25.32 # (it's 60GB) 15.25.35 # GodEater's is 8TB ;) 15.28.20 # http://pastebin.ca/895017 15.28.26 # yeah, I just noticed that :) 15.28.56 # So sector-size is OK, but geometry is wrong... 15.29.32 # So it still doesn't mount? 15.29.42 # nope 15.29.52 # the firmware image is complete rubbish too 15.30.01 # not an SOSO in sight 15.30.12 # My ipod - http://pastebin.ca/895019 15.30.30 Quit PaulJam (".") 15.31.46 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c17db543c15df202) 15.33.11 Join ba79 [0] (n=4d02f058@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1f4d265e76af2fe5) 15.33.37 # Here's what fdisk shows with the Apple firmware - http://pastebin.ca/895023 15.33.56 # So the cylinder count is wrong. 15.33.57 Quit ba79 (Client Quit) 15.33.57 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955B485.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.34.13 # yeah 15.34.22 # Morning, guys! 15.35.16 Join agm3nt [0] (i=agm3nt@nat.n3t.pl) 15.39.10 Quit Sanus|art ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 15.39.46 # morning LambdaCalculus37 15.41.51 Quit TiMiD[FD] ("leaving") 15.42.33 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 15.45.54 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 15.49.26 Quit knittl (Remote closed the connection) 15.51.32 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 15.53.45 # markun: Morning! 15.56.49 Join Sanus|art [0] (n=Sanus|ar@IGLD-83-130-216-23.inter.net.il) 15.57.47 # linuxstb: if you extract sector counts from your fdisk values, and add 1, and print them in hex, you'll notice that they are just swapped 15.58.09 Quit Sanus|art (Remote closed the connection) 15.58.27 Join ze_ [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 15.58.52 # Can you try swapping the 60 and 61 a few lines below case SCSI_READ_CAPACITY: ? 15.58.54 Quit ze (Nick collision from services.) 15.58.59 Nick ze_ is now known as ze (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 16.01.19 # gevaerts: Trying now. 16.01.19 Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.03.35 # gevaerts: Yes, that seems to be it. Nice spot. 16.03.50 # Although I'm upset my ipod has gone back to 60GB. 16.03.59 # how boring 16.04.15 Part LinusN 16.04.34 Quit GodEater (Remote closed the connection) 16.04.41 # if you had a 8TB ipod, I wonder what my 80GB would have shown 16.04.58 # No, I had a 1TB, GodEater's 80GB was showing as 8TB 16.05.09 # ah 16.05.18 # free upgrade 16.06.29 # linuxstb: Going to find out what my c240 says now. 16.07.03 # LambdaCalculus37: It was a bug that only affect hard-disk players, so not the c240. 16.07.30 # unfortunately the numbers don't come out nicely for GodEater's output 16.10.29 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se) 16.10.49 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.11.26 # linuxstb: GodEater should've told me sooner. :P I have a 4G iPod color on me, too. 16.12.14 Quit OlivierBorowski ("Konversation terminated!") 16.12.45 # My c240 just appeared as a Mass Storage Device, but didn't assign a drive letter to it. Will have to try to do so manually, it seems. 16.13.41 # LambdaCalculus37: are you on Windows ? 16.13.58 # Can you try adding 'usb_drv_stall(EP_TX, true); 16.13.59 # Yes, at work. XP Pro with SP2. 16.14.19 # gevaerts: Can't. It's a work PC and GodEater gave me the build. 16.14.26 # ' in handle_scsi() for the default: case ? 16.15.02 # I can't set up a dev environment on this PC because our IT department is a bunch of fracking morons who don't like that sort of thing. >:( 16.16.27 # I know the feeling 16.16.27 # I'll try it later today. The problem is that windows sendsa scsi command that we don't handle, and the current patch just ignores it instead of stalling. 16.17.11 # * petur installed a dev environment in a VM, only to discover that the SVN port is blocked :/ 16.18.20 # petur: Not even allowed VMWare. 16.18.27 # gevaerts: I love your work on USB support. If you need help, just ask me, I'm very willing to help you (I'm on Ubuntu 7.10 btw) 16.18.31 # VirtualBox? 16.18.41 # Nope. 16.18.54 # This place has this very silly rule about "outside software". 16.19.10 # gevaerts: I could boot into XP sp2 though 16.19.15 # LambdaCalculus37: gcc on ipodlinux ? 16.19.53 # gevaerts: No iPodLinux here. My video is Rockbox and Rockbox only. 16.20.04 # rasher: I'm finally trying your VM, but root password isn't rockbox :/ 16.20.52 # * LambdaCalculus37 needs to get an iPod for iPL exclusively 16.21.29 # rasher: Don't worry, I guessed 16.22.50 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 16.24.23 # LambdaCalculus37, be happy about that 16.24.42 # my workplace doesn't even allow IRC or similar Messenger services 16.24.58 # * amiconn wonders how long it would take to compile rockbox on ipl... 16.25.26 # longer than battery runtime, probably :) 16.26.41 Join Sanus|art [0] (i=HydraIRC@IGLD-83-130-216-23.inter.net.il) 16.27.21 # * linuxstb thinks that ipl's lack of a free() implementation would stop gcc quite quickly 16.27.33 Part Sanus|art 16.29.05 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 16.29.14 # gevaerts: Would a test on Mac OS X be useful for you? 16.32.31 # linuxstb: What, no malloc? Cowards! 16.32.44 # How safe is it to write to flash from a usb transfer ? Is there a cache that should be flushed or anything like that ?linuxstb: maybe. I just tried on windows again (with the usb_drv_stall), and it doesn't work yet, so if macos does something similar it will not work. It's always worth trying though. 16.33.05 # oops. history gone wrong... 16.33.44 # pondlife: No, they have malloc ;) (at least, that's my understanding) 16.34.33 Part pixelma 16.35.37 # malloc but not free? Well, that trumps us then :) 16.35.42 # gevaerts: I've left a long copy going on my ipod - it's copied about 100MB so far, and is still going (slowly). It freezes every 10MB or so, then after a few resets always seems to start up again and carry on. The files are correct. 16.36.44 # * pondlife reads logs and understands .. 16.36.56 # \o/ to gevaerts 16.37.06 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.38.50 # slowness is expected (it's only 12 Mb/s after all). The recovery is good news. I didn't really expect that to work already. 16.39.11 # Most of the slowness is just the waits for resets. 16.39.22 # that too of course 16.40.08 # It seems to be taking about 2 or 3 minutes to reset. 16.51.28 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 16.52.39 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 16.52.55 # It seems that windows will require write support to work at all 16.55.37 # Why is that? 16.56.48 # No idea why, but it tries to write. 17.00.36 # Is there any such thing as a read-only UMS device? 17.01.03 # (not that it matters - we obviously need write support, I'm just curious). 17.01.13 # linuxstb: Not that I know of. 17.01.32 # I think the only way to make a UMS device read-only is to set it that way yourself. 17.02.02 # linuxstb: maybe, but finding out how to do that is probably as time-consuming as implementing write support 17.02.59 Quit defukt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.04.49 # pondlife: root password should be root.. 17.04.56 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98214d59@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7918a9688a60177b) 17.05.50 # rasher: It was, but I still don't get an eth0 interface 17.06.00 # I've uninstalled and reinstalled VMWare too 17.06.19 # Must be something odd about this PC 17.06.25 # pondlife: no eth0 at all, or just not a working one? 17.06.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.06.35 # None at all 17.06.40 # 'ang on 17.06.41 # Device not found 17.07.00 # I'm too busy at work to play with it now, I'm afraid 17.07.08 # Maybe tomorrow!! 17.07.48 # Maybe it's a player vs server thing, but I believe they should be compatible though 17.08.12 # I have had it working before using player and the image on the wiki 17.08.33 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC") 17.08.33 # But now neither of GodEater's 2 images, nor yours will give me a network 17.08.45 # linuxstb: Sure, e.g. USB CD-ROM drives 17.08.59 # pondlife: Maybe the image on the wiki wasn't created by vmware server 17.09.01 Join defukt [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.235.71) 17.09.27 # which image? 17.09.38 # scorche|w: The one with x and the kitchensink 17.10.28 Join Sanus|art [0] (n=IceChat7@IGLD-83-130-216-23.inter.net.il) 17.10.46 # Debian-4.7z ? 17.10.51 Quit Sanus|art (Client Quit) 17.11.02 # well The Image In The Wiki - isn't there just one? 17.11.14 # oh..i guess so...i was under the impression others were added 17.11.49 # and no...4 and the previous versions that i did were done with vmware server 17.12.13 # pondlife: I'm leaning towards blaming your computer 17.12.43 # And no, I haven't added mine because no one has tested, other than pondlife, and I don't trust him! 17.12.55 # amiconn: Of course ;) BTW, is the dedected sector size (512/2048) stored in a handy variable somewhere in an ipod video build? 17.13.17 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 17.13.42 # * pondlife doesn't trust pondlife when it comes to Linux 17.13.55 # pondlife: And no network adapter in lspci? 17.14.05 # well, i was thinking that there was at least an image without x made by amiconn on there too for some reason.. 17.14.15 # rasher: What does that mean?? 17.14.26 # Is that a command? 17.14.41 # Yes, it shows devices on the PCI bus 17.14.50 # It usually is... except I haven't installed it in this vm :) 17.15.44 # rasher: When I booted your VM up I got lots of errors, something about unable to validate 17.16.01 # I guess it was trying to fetch updates, but unable to 17.16.20 # You're confusing me now 17.16.25 # You mean after you logged in? 17.16.34 # And where does it say that 'rockbox' is the root password? 17.16.49 # The wiki page for the other VM 17.17.04 # That would be... for the other VM 17.17.10 # Indeed 17.17.18 # There's a README.txt 17.17.22 # But I didn't know any alternatives 17.17.23 # Ah, ok 17.17.32 # I updated the patch on FS#8562 with all current fixes. There's also some non-working write support in it. 17.17.35 # I can't play with it now 17.17.49 # In fact, I better work 17.17.51 Part pondlife 17.19.05 Join qwedsa_ [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 17.22.40 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3f5dc30e9f58205d) 17.26.11 Join MePerson [0] (n=458deaa8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-780cd48a9124c705) 17.28.31 Quit MePerson (Client Quit) 17.34.54 # gevaerts: smashing 17.35.01 # Some new progress : windows works, and writing works 17.35.03 Quit qwedsa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.35.11 # * rasher is psychic 17.35.36 # * gevaerts suspects that rasher just follows FS closely 17.36.02 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a58c7822a9701503) 17.36.04 # Or that 17.36.05 # wow, that is some great news :) 17.36.14 # nice 17.36.36 # \o/ 17.36.50 # Be careful though : it's not tested much. I just created a file and checked if it was there. 17.36.58 # Very nice 17.36.58 # and it's handy to know rasher is psychic so all those really weird questions can be reffered to him ;) 17.37.01 # * Horscht hands gevaerts a beer 17.37.10 # * gevaerts drinks it 17.37.41 # gevaerts: impressive 17.38.22 # I don't understand Windows. It writes the boot sector, and then starts reading it until it sees its changes, so faking the write doesn't work. 17.38.24 # * rasher gets out the rusty build-chain 17.38.45 # gevaerts: that sounds fairly awful 17.39.43 # gevaerts: your pc is infected with a bootsector virus? ;) 17.40.28 # petur: I doubt it. 17.41.08 # or would that be a way for them to detect read-only devices? 17.41.24 # petur: it should fail though, in that case 17.41.28 # eh, shouldn 17.41.30 # 't 17.42.57 # * GodEater raises his hand 17.43.00 # I have a question 17.43.15 # the 2048 byte sector thing is as a result of Apple's usbstack is it not ? 17.43.39 # * GodEater wonders why we're trying to reimplement it 17.44.08 # Isn't it due to a special disk? 17.44.54 # no 17.45.04 Join gnakiienl [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 17.45.14 # the disk *controller* only allows writes in multiples of 2 sectors though 17.45.21 # but 2048 is twice that again 17.45.27 Quit dnakihjaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.45.28 # aha 17.46.54 # I should say writes & reads actually 17.47.26 Join SSnake [0] (n=dfsff@host-84-220-234-41.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 17.48.35 # hi everyone 17.49.00 # does the X5 charge over USB? 17.49.22 # i need some infos about plugin buffer handling. Can anyone help me? 17.49.56 # SSnake: You're probably better off just asking your question 17.50.10 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A5DA2.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.50.30 # gevaerts: the e200 doesn't seem to go into "usb mode" in Rockbox? Although it does connect 17.50.31 # saratoga: Yes, but in rockbox only slowly (100mA) 17.50.41 # i tought it was better to talk aobut privately because i think it's a long disussion. (avoid spamming all the channel) 17.51.06 # rasher: sme thing here. I have seen the USB screen once during my tests. I didn't look into it though. 17.51.29 # gevaerts: I won't worry about it now.. I'll try to do some stress-testing 17.51.48 # rasher: are you ready for unbricking ? 17.51.59 # SSnake: well, i assume others can benefit from it and as long as it is on topic (and within the typical bounds), it sint spamming 17.52.44 # ok so i'll fire up all my findings and questions 17.53.16 # gevaerts: It's my understanding that you can't really wreck the sansa beyond a point where it's annoying, but perfectly possible to revive it 17.53.38 # First read-test, du -csh completed without hiccups 17.54.30 # * GodEater would like to mention he's getting the USB screen every time so far 17.54.38 # GodEater: Curious 17.54.43 # my purpose is to write a plugin that needs all the buffer. So basically i need to stop audio (am i right?) and call rb->plugin_get_audio_buffer to retrieve it 17.54.57 # gevaerts: Great job dude 17.54.57 # SSnake: correct 17.54.59 Quit zylche ("+++ATH0--;") 17.55.43 # btw - I've noticed endian looking issues in the device id string 17.55.48 # I guess not serious though ;) 17.55.54 # but later on i need to write audio in some way. Actually the audio_buffer is filled with both video and audio data 17.56.47 # can i output audio in some way (even if audio buffer is partially used for garbage and other things)? 17.57.06 # yes 17.57.08 # i have raw pcm datas in the main buffer (audio buffer) mixed with fb_data 17.57.27 # so what plugin funcionts to look at? 17.57.32 # for example the midi plugin does that 17.58.13 # there is some function pcm_play_data() (iirc) that just plays raw interleaved pcm 17.58.37 # SSnake: Perhaps there's a little misunderstanding. The 'audio' buffer is not buffering raw pcm, but it's the main buffer of the core playback engine, buffering compressed audio 17.58.38 # gevaerts: Access seems to come in bursts of sorts - I've set it off to md5sum all my cover.bmp files, and the output scrolls at a decent pace, then suddenly slows to a crawl, only to pick up speed again 17.58.49 # So of course you can use pcm playback in your plugin 17.59.20 # I still can't mount my fat32 partition 17.59.25 # but fdisk -l looks healthier now 17.59.56 # http://pastebin.ca/895171 18.00.07 # mmmmmmm ok so pheraps this page is not helpful to me http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPCMPlayback 18.02.37 # number of cylinders is still reported wrong 18.02.52 # last question: to free up all ~30 MB memory i just call rb->pcm_play_stop() then when i call plugin_get_aduio_buffer() my buffer will be ~30MB right? 18.03.07 # GodEater: it seems that ata.c assumes 512 byte sectors. Maybe we should just use SECTOR_SIZE and round all reads up to the nearest multiple of 4. 18.04.26 # GodEater: forget that. That would just give an invalid partition table 18.04.27 # mmm there's also another funcion related: audio_stop() 18.04.37 # amiconn: you have any good suggestions here ? 18.05.25 # gevaerts: yes, ata.c does always assume 512 byte sectors, it just does some weird magic for the 80GB ipod to make sure all reads and writes happen 2 sectors at a time 18.05.44 # SSnake: check plugin.c:793 to see how to use the plugin_get_audio_buffer function 18.05.51 # gevaerts: Just calling plugin_get_audio_buffer() should stop audio playback. 18.05.56 # I'd be interested with people's opinion on the 1024 byte vs. 2048 byte query I reaised earlier though 18.06.05 # linuxstb: you mean SSnake :) 18.06.15 # I did... 18.06.43 # GodEater: could you try dividing the sector and count numbers in all ata_*_sectors calls in usb_storage.c ? Make sure you try mounting in ro-mode now that it tries writing... 18.07.00 # oh really thanks linuxstb 18.07.24 # thanks everyone i just checked plugin.c and yes it stops playback :P 18.07.34 # gevaerts: I'm not really scared of it doing much - there's always apple's emergency disk mode ;) 18.07.54 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 18.08.00 # GodEater: not dividing of course... Multiply by 4. Otherwise you'd be trying 128 byte sectors 18.08.24 # gevaerts: so leave SECTOR_SIZE at 512 then ? 18.09.15 # i was under the impression that the USB driver in the PC would automatically read 4 sectors at a time because of the logical sector size 18.09.33 # LinusN: what logical sector size ? 18.09.34 # GodEater: Use 2048 as usb/scsi blocksize (to match the partition table), and multiply all ata* nmbers by 4. 18.09.36 # gevaerts: my filesystem got somewhat messed up, it seems 18.09.44 # the block size 18.09.52 # rasher: fun 18.10.06 # gevaerts: But it almost-worked! 18.10.57 # LinusN: I think because we're saying to the PC, "2048 byte sectors" it says, well give me 1 sector then please, and in return rockbox is sending back on 512 bytes ? 18.10.59 # s/on/only 18.11.02 # rasher: maybe it's best not to post unofficial builds on the forums until there's some more error-checking. 18.11.39 # GodEater: beats me, i think gevaerts can answer that question 18.11.49 # well he's using our ata driver 18.11.57 # GodEater: something like that. Only, it's padding the 512 bytes with some garbage to fill 2k, and it reads it from the wrong position. 18.12.08 # gevaerts: that's sort of what I assumed ;) 18.12.14 # Multiplying all numbers by 4 should help. 18.12.19 # yes, but it's up to the usb storage driver to handle the block size 18.12.35 # LinusN: not the stack at the other end ? 18.12.52 # gevaerts: Probably not, fsck.vfat is going absolutely mad, and all the filenames are missing their last few characters 18.13.10 Join star_jasmine [0] (n=arwyneve@75.108.74.16) 18.13.11 # GodEater: i guess both drivers need to handle it in their respective ways 18.13.22 # gevaerts: and this is when connected through the OF 18.13.43 # LinusN: I guess maybe I don't understand it well enough 18.13.43 # rasher: so it must be the OF's fault :-) 18.13.58 Join SpxnezzaR [0] (n=Separato@77.245.197.87) 18.14.02 # gevaerts: I'm afraid the Rockbox filebrowser agreed 18.14.11 Part SpxnezzaR ("Ухожу я от вас") 18.14.12 # I just assumed that if our stack is saying the blocks are 2048 in size, but the ATA driver responsbile for sending them back is only reading 512 at a time, then we have a problem 18.14.25 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.14.26 # hi everyone. I am having trouble building voices with cygwin. I have tried reinstalling it, but to no effect. When I ask it to make the voice, I receive error 127, and it claims not to be able to find a directory that is needed. what am I doing wrong? 18.14.34 # For example I have a "cover.100x10" file now 18.14.47 # I have done it successfully before. the voices are with the speex encoder for an ipod video. 18.14.58 # GodEater, LinusN: I think from a basic UMS pov it would work as-is (i.e. just use 512 bytes everywhere), but then the partition table won't match, so that won't do much good. 18.15.06 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e181183057.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.15.10 # star_jasmine: Try running V=1 make > log.txt 2>&1 and post the contents of log.txt to a pastebin 18.15.20 # Assuming I got the order of that command right.. 18.15.29 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.16.36 # ok. I will, as soon as I get it again. I am redownloading the svn for today, in another attempt to get this working 18.16.42 # gevaerts: i guess we must simulate 2048-byte sectors in the UMS layer 18.17.36 # gevaerts: good work btw, i am impressed 18.18.11 # gevaerts: the multiplying hasn't worked 18.18.39 # GodEater: do you have some fdisk output ? 18.18.49 # yes - it remains the same 18.18.53 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982165ed@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f7fd4771806096de) 18.18.56 # Can I simply format the Sandisk's data partition, or do I need to save some bits? 18.19.12 # it's still reporting a 320GB ipod ;) 18.19.32 # 8TB was better 18.19.36 # yeah =/ 18.19.56 # LinusN: It wasn't that hard. The main thing was finding this PORTSCX_PORT_FORCE_FULL_SPEED. Of course it helps that I've done USB work before 18.19.57 # right - sorry all - I have to disappear - I have an appointment this evening 18.20.02 # I'll pick it up tomorrow 18.20.21 # rasher: The next thing that needs to e 18.20.24 # gevaerts: yo, is your usb stuff enabled for ipods as well? 18.20.27 # gevaerts: but the full speed is just a workaround, isn't it? 18.20.43 # be done is sd card support. That's easier to clean up. 18.21.21 # gevaerts: that'd be beyond awesome, right now I need to use an awful card adapter because my microsd is sdhc and the OF doesn't understand that 18.21.52 # LinusN: I hope so. high speed should work, but there's probably some initialisation stuff missing, and until someone finds out what that is there's not muchwe can do 18.21.56 # preglow: yes - that's what I've been testing on 18.22.01 # leet! 18.22.18 # rasher: what do you prefer ? current write support or a card adapter :-) 18.22.21 # * GodEater prods at amiconn to make him join in the testing 18.22.36 # gevaerts: I'm going to have to go with the card adapter 18.22.38 # right - I'm off - later all 18.23.00 # I don't know if I misunderstood who to post the log to. I can copy the error I have to the channel, if that is acceptable 18.23.14 # use a pastebin 18.23.20 # like www.pastebin.ca 18.27.53 # is there any other way to build these voices without cygwin under windows? I haven't had this trouble before 18.28.09 # star_jasmine: not really, no 18.28.22 # it basically says it can't find a specified directory off of the home/owner/rockboxbuild 18.28.43 # Well can we see the log file? 18.28.53 # I've almost decided to reformat the computer, if this behaviour is unusual 18.29.07 # That might be a bit premature 18.29.17 # sure. as soon as its finished generating a dud voice file. I"m not sure how to cancel it in mid-process 18.29.41 # ctrl-c perhaps 18.30.01 Quit gevaerts ("going home") 18.30.08 # usb_storage.c:(.text+0x678): undefined reference to `card_get_info' 18.31.07 # cool thanks. ok posting log. could someone tell me the command again? sorry for asking again. I'm using a screenreader, and the screen scrolled on this end 18.31.20 # about how to generate he log that is 18.31.30 # star_jasmine: V=1 make > log.txt 2>&1 18.31.50 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180072106.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.35.34 # ok.. making that log. just had to correct my punctuation and its happening 18.36.58 # GodEater: did you modify much to make it work? 18.37.07 Quit UncleRemus ("leaving") 18.38.00 # no it was right. the instructions. I just had put a > sign in the wrong place. now, its still generating 18.38.27 # where do I find the log once its finished? excuse my ignorance 18.38.46 # oh 18.38.49 # in the same dir as you run make.. :-) 18.38.53 # I just did. its growing steadily 18.39.54 Join SiaS [0] (n=mejuzo@p57B7790E.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.40.36 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 18.42.59 # ok I've uploaded it. its just called log.txt 18.43.20 # star_jasmine: Where? 18.44.17 Part SiaS 18.45.06 Quit Arathis (Connection timed out) 18.45.08 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A3CD7.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.47.48 # www.paspastebin.ca rockbox log for voices 18.48.20 # preglow: I guess the usb code is using the flash code, rather than the ATA code for the Nano... 18.48.43 # preglow: So you may need to fix the #ifdefs in usb_storage.c 18.49.19 # preglow: There was nothing to modify for the hard-disk based ipods. 18.49.23 # http://www.pastebin.ca/895232 18.49.36 Join MattAndrew [0] (n=mzandrew@cpe-67-49-176-228.hawaii.res.rr.com) 18.49.41 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.49.46 Join UncleRemus [0] (n=caj@81-234-174-183-no95.tbcn.telia.com) 18.50.08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4327.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.50.27 Part agm3nt 18.52.03 # this looks ugly. I took a quick read of it after posting 18.52.37 # star_jasmine: sorry, my fault... I gave you the wrog command 18.52.46 # star_jasmine: V=1 make voice > log.txt 2>&1 18.53.29 # I type this command in the same directory as I made the voice, in? 18.55.13 # star_jasmine: yes, if I understand you right 18.55.13 # ok going 18.55.26 # its happening now. thanks. I"ll post it in the same place and give the url 18.56.15 # just a side note... is there a way to make sapi 4 voices with cygwin? 18.56.31 # I won't be doing that until I have this idiotic problem figured out but wondered anyway 18.58.24 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-011.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 18.58.28 # I don't really know much about that part, amiconn might know 18.59.00 # it should be possible to use sapi4, the scripts support it, but its very slow as sapi4 only allows realtime speak for vbs scripts i think.. 18.59.48 # oh ok. just another question that should be obvious, but isn't. is this log going to be titled differently? or the other one overwritten? I exitted cygwin before making it, so I hope the same information is present 19.00.19 # Sure you can build voice files using sapi4 19.00.19 # oh yeah... its being voerwritten 19.00.23 # star_jasmine: it'll overwrite the previous one 19.00.29 # if you choose the same name, it will be overwritten... (log.txt) 19.00.30 # ok thanks 19.00.30 # But it's take ages compared to sapi5 or other engines 19.00.39 # s/it's/it'll/ 19.01.08 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.02.24 # Just add /sapi4 to your list of tts parameters 19.02.24 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.03.20 # Is there something I can do to help for the USB stuff? 19.04.09 # * amiconn wonders who added that half-baked list mode to sapi_voice.vbs 19.04.29 # It duplicates code, and doesn't handle sapi4 19.04.55 # it was me.. *hides* 19.05.35 # i dont know enough vbs, so i coded just enough to show a voice list in rbutil :-) 19.05.45 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.05.56 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.06.08 # works like a charm 19.06.11 # it says my upload is too big. can I dcc it to someone? 19.06.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.06.55 # ejecting doesn't work too nice :> 19.07.04 # preglow: Did you try writing? 19.07.19 # no I'll do that 19.07.21 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b004b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9a48f5f804b72936) 19.07.45 # Domonoky: In an application, I'd rather try to talk to sapi directly instead of scripting 19.08.18 # That has several advantages. The biggest one would be that you can speed up sapi4 operation to 8x realtime 19.08.23 # just a sec. this happens regardless of whether I have the lame installed, but do I have to have it installed if I use speex? 19.08.27 # linuxstb: gnome might have, seems a couple of files are somewhat mangled now... 19.08.31 # (a feature that isn't available for scripting) 19.08.33 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.08.44 # amiconn: i tryed to use sapi from C++, but wasnt much successfull.. 19.09.19 # Writing gave me a nicely corrupted filesystem 19.09.30 # linuxstb: yeah, they're thoroughly messed up... files truncated, both names and content 19.09.38 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 19.09.42 # preglow: welcome to the clup 19.09.44 # club 19.10.14 # ahaha 19.10.19 # i now have two files with the same name 19.10.21 # beat that, windows 19.10.21 # preglow: Do you get the USB logo appearing? 19.10.28 # linuxstb: sure, that part worked nice 19.10.35 # ejecting did not, but detected me yanking the cord out just fine 19.10.35 # so if someone knows how to use sapi from c/c++, i would be happy if he writes a new ttsSapi class :-) 19.10.39 # Hmm, like gevaerts, it's only appeared once for me... 19.10.40 Nick Arathis2 is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p508A3CD7.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.10.53 # I didn't get the USB logo (sansa e200) 19.10.55 # i'm not inserting the cable again :-) 19.11.05 # i got the usb logo 3/4 times i plugged it in. 19.11.12 # preglow: better not reboot either 19.11.25 # ahahha 19.11.28 Join noiz [0] (i=smorking@eM60-254-244-8.pool.emnet.ne.jp) 19.11.29 # kickass ls entry: 19.11.30 # ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? elephantsdre 19.11.41 # hi 19.11.42 # rasher: already did, heh 19.11.58 # rm insists the file does not exist :P 19.12.03 # I got hundreds of lines of noise and beeps when doing ls on a dir 19.12.17 # That's when I decided I should probably just format 19.12.32 # installing lame codec, but I doubt it will make any difference. then reposting the log 19.12.39 # * linuxstb thinks he will mount -o ro 19.12.40 # Domonoky: The sapi sdks have several example programs 19.12.52 Part noiz 19.13.11 # amiconn: maybe i should try it again, when i have enough time :-) 19.13.46 # linuxstb: weak 19.14.48 # rasher: Are only the files missing the last character, or is the filesystem broken? 19.15.23 # kugel: the filesystem is beyond help 19.15.33 # At least it was for me 19.16.07 # * kugel is backing all files right now, planning to test a usb build 19.16.14 # * scorche|w forcibly makes rasher join -community 19.16.59 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.17.24 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.17.28 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 19.17.48 # gevaerts: I don't know what you've done, but I'm not getting those reset problems any more - it's copying a large directory without issue. 19.19.47 # thoroughly broken 19.19.54 # i got duplicate file names 19.20.39 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 19.22.17 Join roxfan2 [0] (n=dunno@74.212-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 19.22.22 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.22.23 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 19.22.58 # linuxstb: nothing that I can think of 19.23.44 # we'll see what happens. I just installed lame and no errors so far. we'll see if my voice file is 6kb 19.23.59 # which is ridiculously small 19.24.03 # and shouldn't be 19.24.27 # no erors on the voice screen after isuing make voice command 19.25.01 # * gevaerts also has some filesystem corruption 19.25.13 # gevaerts: fun, isn't it? 19.25.34 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 19.25.35 # rasher: sure. I'm starting work on sd card support right now 19.25.47 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4327.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.25.52 # * BigBambi is very excited by all this 19.25.52 # That should make for a less painful debug session 19.26.15 # Prefetch abort at FFFFFFFE (0) 19.26.22 Quit quaal (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.26.26 # kugel: that's new 19.26.38 # right after boot 19.26.45 # no tranfer done yet 19.27.25 # Ok, after a hw reset, it boots up now with holding rec to load default config 19.28.17 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.163) 19.28.59 # I'm using a build with the latest fullspeed.path btw 19.29.11 # Which player? 19.29.24 # e200 19.29.43 # well, it doesn't connect, since it's allways rebooting into the of 19.30.23 # gevaerts: so, if you dont mind me asking, you have seem to come here suddenly...where did you come from? :) 19.31.42 Quit roxfan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.31.43 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.31.53 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.32.54 # scorche|w: nowhere. I've known about rockbox for a while now, but I never had a supported player (I had one of these cheap noname players). Then I got my c250, put rockbox on it, and since I don't like to wait for the OF to refresh a database I'm not going to use anyway, and I have some USB experience, I started on this. 19.35.15 # Is there anyway to disable the automatic reboot? I can't get it to connect this way 19.35.53 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.37.01 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B161634.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.37.55 # kugel: did the patch apply without errors ? The bit for usb-fw-pp502x.c should disable the reboot 19.38.25 # would someone tell me how to log my voice making efforts again? to send it to a .txt file? 19.38.48 # star_jasmine: V=1 make voice > log.txt 2>&1 19.39.16 # thanks 19.40.04 Nick roxfan2 is now known as roxfan (n=dunno@74.212-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 19.41.47 # rasher: or make V=1 voice > log.txt 2>&1 19.43.26 # uhmm, it applied cleany...but not in the first place 19.43.38 # as in I didn't apply the patch actually 19.43.42 # <-- dumb 19.45.40 # pok. making it now thanks 19.46.32 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.46.38 # gevaerts: great 19.46.43 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.47.10 # first time rockbox is connected to pc, let me celebrate a moment 19.47.12 # :) 19.48.17 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.48.31 # ok... just one more question. I stupidly closed the webpage where I was posting the first log. could someone give me a suitable posing point? 19.49.27 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.49.33 Join markun [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 19.49.47 # star_jasmine: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080207 19.49.55 # Ok, I just created a test file in rockbox while it's connected to the pc. 19.50.08 # It's not showing up on my pc 19.51.07 # star_jasmine: www.pastebin.ca ? 19.51.44 # Is it supposed to be like this? 19.52.13 # kugel: rockbox is not supposed to change anything on the filesystem while connected 19.52.36 # the the test file is just virtually there? 19.52.44 # it shows up in rockbox 19.52.58 # yes, but the pc might have cached the directory 19.54.04 # "ABCDEFGH mnopqrst Musik-Player" at trying to unmount 19.54.15 # *never* write to a file system that is accessed from elsewhere, except if the filesystem is prepared to handle such a case 19.54.23 # (i.e. it is a cluster file system) 19.55.36 # Ok. Though, I reconnected it now, and a file in the root is missing, and another is a bit screwed up 19.55.39 # yes thanks. ok. posting now 19.56.32 Join advlaptop2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 19.56.33 # at least the text file is still there 19.56.41 # kugel: Welcome to a world of fun. Try exploring your fs further and you'll find amazing surprises 19.56.42 # so we can all conclude that there is a bug in the usb storage driver that writes to the wrong sectors or something like that 19.56.45 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.56.53 Quit advlaptop2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.56.53 Quit advlaptop2019_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.56.56 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.57.02 # rasher: I rebooted rockbox just fine now 19.57.16 # I didn't write something from the pc to the player yet 19.57.18 # kugel: Try copying some files back and forth.. 19.57.39 # LinusN: I'd say that's a safe bet. Perhaps even an off-by-one since some filenames get truncated to one letter less (or that might be an unrelated problem) 19.57.41 # its not posting for some reason. either uploading is too big, or writing won't work. can I dcc it? 19.58.04 # try another one 19.58.51 # like slexy.org, rafb.net 19.59.10 # rasher: I have to screen dumps on the root which are screwed up now. On rockbox they both show up but they show not much more than pixel garbage. On the pc only 1 of them shows up, even more pixel garbage and some characters missing in the file name 19.59.10 # sendspac? I'm not familiar with these sites 19.59.27 # these sites are for pasting text 19.59.42 Join advlaptop2019__ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 19.59.57 # sendspace is for uploading files 20.00.00 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 20.00.16 Nick advlaptop2019__ is now known as advlaptop2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 20.00.59 # LinusN, rasher: a simple off by one seems unlikely, however the write code doesn't check if incoming data is complete, and if something goes wrong (like whatever problem leads to resets on read), it might write random data that happened to be in the buffer 20.01.06 # rasher: copied two single files from the pc to the player now, rockbox still boots fine 20.01.52 # kugel: Large files? Try copying an album 20.01.55 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.02.10 # here it is now 20.02.11 # http://slexy.org/view/s20nISdONo 20.02.50 # Is there any chance that rockbox doesn't notice that a usb cable is inserted when the backlight is off? 20.03.15 # that happened to me twice in the past view minutes 20.03.24 # star_jasmine: Looks like you've pressed some bad buttons when asking for encoder options (arrows or something) 20.04.03 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98214ef5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7575684dfde0035d) 20.04.26 # if I leave the defaults alone for encoding q 4 c 10, I still get a tiny voice file 20.04.40 # the same as if I hadn't changed it 20.04.58 Join shotofadds [0] (n=510165de@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-57e392b722057d86) 20.04.59 Part LinusN 20.05.08 # star_jasmine: What did you do when it asked you for encoder options? 20.05.09 # I'm just doing the commands rasher did (see FS#8562), and the terminal doesn't do anything at the first command 20.05.22 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.242.33) 20.05.41 # shotofadds: Hi. How are things going with your D2's flash? 20.06.40 # kugel: it's a bit slow 20.06.48 # kugel: try dmesg in another terminal. That might give some hints 20.07.21 # I did ctrl+c and some other du stuff and rashers command again, everything worked 20.07.31 # not sure why it "freezed" in the first place 20.08.30 # I think using rbspeexenc for encoding voice clips. then options for quality and so on. 20.09.07 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.09.20 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.09.31 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 20.09.50 # ok, the second command started fine, but it made a huge pause 20.09.59 # linuxstb: it's going pretty well. I'm currently bug hunting - I can open files successfully, but some appear truncated as if the cluster map is returning duff data. I'm going to spend tonight peppering the FAT driver with debug text... 20.10.00 # * gevaerts thinks he has these 8TB ipod owners beaten : sd 16:0:0:1: [sdc] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). 20.10.19 # star_jasmine: try just pressing enter when it asks for encoder options 20.10.37 # trouble is, work gets in the way :/ 20.11.02 # args, the original Sansa firmware does not even get ID3 tags right ... 20.11.40 # kugel: do you see usb device reset messages in the dmesg output ? If so, that adds delays 20.11.45 # gevaerts: for me it does still this pauses from time to time 20.12.25 # wait a second 20.12.43 # kugel: ok. That's "normal" for now. Now and then rockbox misses a usb transfer, and linux resets the device, which takes a while 20.12.47 # Didn't someone have this issue some hours ago? 20.13.03 # That would be me. And apparently it was already known 20.13.13 # shotofadds: Have you done any work on enabling interrupts? 20.13.32 # My dmesg is full of FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda1) now 20.13.42 # Poor FAT 20.13.51 # the "now playing" banner on the cabbiev2 wps is a bit small on nano 20.14.02 # well, it's too fat anyway ;-) 20.14.25 # rasher: in my case fsck.vfat didn't believe it was a vfat filesystem 20.14.30 # preglow: While we're at it. IMO the album art could be a bit larger on e200. There's at least 20 pixels wasted 20.14.56 # never tried aa 20.15.12 # linuxstb: not yet, but it's high up the list of things to try. it'll be a walk in the park i'm sure.. 20.15.38 # do i need to enable it somewhere? 20.15.46 # gevaerts: for me it only fixed a few errors and left a still completely broken filesystem 20.16.23 # preglow: you need appropriately sized cover.bmp files .. see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#How_To_Use_Album_Art 20.16.54 # preglow: Oh, and the nowplaying banner could be bigger too, yes 20.17.01 # There's some wiggle-room for the filenames and locations, actually 20.17.04 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@bas3-kitchener06-1096649533.dsl.bell.ca) 20.17.04 # i think the font on the cabbiev2 that is included in svn now, is a bit small 20.17.28 # damn, all those locations are scanned for album art? 20.17.30 # that's got to be slow 20.17.49 # i prefer the manualy downloaded unifont versions of cabbiev2 20.17.53 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b004b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3939b5a565aade45) 20.18.34 # Ah, I see some files lacking the last char in filename 20.18.52 # my file names lacked a lot more than just the last char... 20.19.13 # Horscht: i agree the font is a bit too small, yea 20.19.22 # Ehm, yea, pretty much messed up. 20.19.46 # preglow: the aa scan is done while buffering though afaik, so it shouldn't be too costly I imagine? 20.20.46 # i don't know 20.20.52 # At least my sansa is still booting up 20.21.17 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host118-214-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.21.21 # kugel: it's only a matter of time - write support is quite dodgy it seems 20.22.33 # parted still sees it as fat32 device 20.23.03 # * shotofadds needs to eat .. filesystem bug-hunting isn't much fun 20.23.18 # rasher: seems it can be a bit costly, at least if you have big directories. 20.24.02 # * Lear needs to reboot, bbs. 20.24.05 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2008020104]") 20.25.00 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.25.11 # I can't delete or format in gparted, it looks like the partition is locked 20.26.30 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.26.41 # fsck.vfat /dev/sdf 20.26.41 # dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN 20.26.43 # Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 191. 20.26.44 # ?? 20.27.04 # seems your FAT is messed up a bit 20.27.15 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.27.22 # jup 20.27.30 # Told you 20.27.39 # I was aware of that 20.27.43 # there are usually 2 copies of the FAT (the table, not the filesystem). 20.28.00 # but FAT (the filesystem) can use a different number of that. 20.28.56 # and how can I repear it? 20.29.13 # kugel: mkfs.vfat or using recoverymode + sansa.fmt 20.29.28 # the number of FAT tables is noted in a value in the boot parameter block, which is at the start of the partition (after the boot sector) 20.29.34 # rasher: yea, just remembered of sansa.fmt 20.30.14 # does reading work reliably yet? 20.30.56 # bluebrother: Yes, it seems to be. 20.31.09 # cool, I should try it on my mini 20.31.32 # Just make sure you mount it read-only ;) 20.31.44 # hehe ;-) 20.34.28 Quit obo ("bye") 20.36.57 # linux 20.37.17 # pheraps i've found a bug in dict.c 20.37.36 # well, I formatted, but the PC doesn't recognizes the player 20.38.27 # is there some developer who wants to check dict.c with me? 20.38.50 # duh, damn OF defaulting to mtp 20.40.11 # SSnake: What's the problem? 20.40.12 # kugel: exact same thing happened to me 20.40.13 # well at line 68 in dict.c 20.40.24 # :D 20.40.27 # the funcion pl_malloc() in dict.c 20.40.51 # What about it? 20.41.21 # it simply never update the global variable "ssize_t bufleft" 20.41.50 # so pl_malloc always returns true even if the buffer is full 20.42.13 # Yes, good spot. That does seem to be a bug. 20.42.16 # can u confirm this? 20.42.21 # :> 20.43.54 # i have no configured svn access so i can't change anything (nor i am registered yet) 20.46.39 # simply add "bufleft -= size;" at line 79 20.47.45 # SSnake: You need to be awarded SVN access, so post patches etc. on flyspray 20.48.49 Quit star_jasmine (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.48.50 # I wonder how much patches one needs in order to get svn access. Anyway, I'd rather think it depends on the quality of the patches and not on the quantity 20.49.24 # there's no "count of patches you need to have done" 20.50.08 # kugel: It is quality not the number 20.50.42 # Expected that. Actually, I was surprised badly if it was the number 20.51.27 # yes i will when i'll finish my plugin. no time to do that now (nor enough rockbox know-how yet) 20.51.41 # Did anyone think about about the flashlight plugin? I think it's a simple and yet very usefull plugin, which deserves committing 20.52.58 # just keeping the backlight on? 20.53.06 # * linuxstb thinks it's useless, but has no objection to it being committed 20.54.00 # Horscht: This, and setting the brightness to the highest 20.54.08 # flashlight plugin? 20.54.20 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8285 20.54.56 # linuxstb: I can enlighten my entire room 20.55.38 # flashbox 20.55.57 # Recently I was on a bus trip, and the driver was to lazy to swtich the seat lights on. We lacked a flashlight, I wished I allready had the plugin installed now 20.57.18 # but no, i don't oppose commiting that either 20.57.27 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 20.57.54 Join Soul-Burn [0] (n=b@bzq-79-176-106-80.red.bezeqint.net) 20.57.56 # I still