--- Log for 08.02.108 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 6 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.19 # linuxstb_: yes, but probably overkill. I guess bootloader.bin is the app that runs on the e200r ? 00.01.30 # gevaerts: There are many bootloader.bin files... 00.02.05 # hi.... I"m having a small problem creating a voice in cygwin. I can create it with the encoding defaults with speex but if I change the quality to 10 for bothq and c, it won't work. can anyone help? 00.02.07 # linuxstb_: I mean the one referenced on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation 00.02.09 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 00.02.22 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 00.02.33 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.03.05 # amiconn: is merging the way to go though? I assume neither engine is really in great shape anyway... so why not start a unified engine from scratch doing exactly what we want from it and getting it right the first time? instead of fixing sw to handle hw (or vice verca) 00.03.18 # Yes. You compile that by selecting target 51, then I for install when you configure. The source is bootloader/main-e200r-installer.c 00.04.01 # JdGordon|w: hwcodec is quite stable, afaik 00.04.30 # I would imagine it's extremely stable - as I can't ever remember a commit to it... 00.04.47 # (apart from id3 parser bugs) 00.04.51 # JdGordon|w: how do we get it right, though? we'll still have to code the same features we have today 00.05.02 # my proposition is let's just pay jhMikeS to doit :) 00.05.09 # Or not ;) Get rid of pesky things like crossfade... 00.05.45 # nagging jhMikeS to do it sounds like a workable solution :p 00.09.00 Quit ch4os_ ("Lost terminal") 00.10.12 # I would really like to be able to play wav the "normal" way on my Ondio, it has a much nicer sound... 00.10.17 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 00.15.24 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 00.15.37 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.16.06 Join weezerle [0] (n=weezerle@dslb-088-072-023-146.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.18.35 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.19.05 Part linuxstb_ 00.21.16 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.23.26 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b004b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ae6b753464dc9e25) 00.24.49 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 00.25.00 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.25.19 Part star_jasmine 00.30.15 Join grey [0] (n=grey@vs1.svartalfheim.net) 00.30.22 # o/ 00.31.08 # ok... for my auto-updating/syncing, I decided to use rsync :> 00.32.38 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.36.38 Part grey 00.36.51 # * Nico_P has a sync script using rsync too... very practical 00.36.58 # although I don't use it ATM :/ 00.37.46 Part Llorean 00.42.36 Part tierra 00.45.56 Quit shotofadds ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 00.46.21 # preglow, JdGordon: The hwcodec playback engine is very stable, but also rather limited 00.47.05 # In its current form it would not allow integraiting MoB at all - as it does the bitswap in-place, across all loaded data 00.47.52 # amiconn: would it be hard to add the bitswap to buffering.c? 00.48.19 # No, but I don't think this would be the right way 00.48.30 # Is it worthwhile trying to merge them? 00.49.07 # Doing the bitswap in-place has the disadvantage that we can only play data that can be played as-is, i.e. mp2/mp3 and plain pcm wav/aiff 00.49.33 # It would not allow to decode e.g. adpcm (unless we do it at buffering time, which would be a waste 00.50.23 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 00.50.27 # So I think we need the equivalent of a "codec" and the "pcm buffer" 00.50.28 # yeah, hwcodec seems very hard coded 00.50.34 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.50.37 # but then again, there was no reason for it not to be 00.51.23 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 00.52.02 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 00.52.03 # But the "pcm" buffer should be as small as possible (because of the little ram). I think this rules out doing the "codec" work in a thread 00.53.14 # It has to happen in the audio callback isr. But that means it has to be done in small chunks - and even then it is not clear whether this will be smooth enough to not disturb other tasks 00.54.27 # The "codec" task would just be the bitswap for mp2/mp3 and pcm, but more than that for e.g. adpcm 00.55.33 # We will also need a state machine handling the MAS setup. And mpeg audio <-> pcm transitions cannot be gapless. 00.55.48 # I'm not sure whether playback.c needs to be aware of that fact 00.57.00 # * Nico_P has been pondering the use of a state machine approach in playback.c 00.57.40 # everything i've seen thus far seems to suggest that's the way to go 00.57.44 # Well, for handling the MAS, a state machine makes very much sense. Depending on the target, there need to be 2, 3 or 5 states 00.58.14 # it also makes for very easily maintainable threading code 00.58.43 # 0: dsp disabled, only audiocodec active (for idle mode with voice disabled, or the radio without prerecording) 00.58.53 # 1: mpeg audio playback 00.59.20 # 2: pcm playback (all MAS' except 3507D (Player)) 00.59.34 # 3: mpeg audio recording (3587 only) 00.59.43 # 4: pcm recording (3587 only) 01.00.16 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.01.00 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 01.01.11 # * preglow asks for motivation to complete his faad sync... 01.02.32 Quit goffa_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.02.35 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 01.02.38 # ill commit the quickscreen patch again if you dont do the sync! 01.02.42 # good enough? :D 01.03.00 # go ahead! 01.03.15 # i think i'll just go ahead and not do it, i hate faad 01.03.18 # it's ugly and it smells bad 01.04.02 # JdGordon|w: with a few improvements it'll be perfectly fine to commit... the idea is very good 01.05.05 # * preglow wonders why his nano is so unresponsive when accessing the flash... 01.06.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.06.53 # might this be the same problem that plagues the high capacity videos? 01.07.09 # maybe 01.07.22 # it's really dog-slow while buffering 01.07.27 # skipping a track takes ten seconds 01.07.27 # I'm starting to think these problems isn't in my code 01.07.47 # *aren't 01.08.14 # ugh, this is quite bad 01.08.16 # it's sluggish as hell 01.08.36 # I had that on my c250 as well but it got better recently (but curiously in some folders not) 01.08.43 Quit obo ("bye") 01.08.50 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 01.09.00 # sweet lord, it's almost unusable 01.09.38 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.10.04 Quit uski ("This is a quit message virus. Please copy my text in your "quit" message.") 01.10.11 # Nico_P: passing the buck? tisk tisk... 01.10.34 # preglow: do you have the DB? 01.11.48 # Nico_P: nay 01.11.59 # that is, yes 01.11.59 # oh 01.11.59 # i do 01.12.01 # but not in ram 01.12.07 # and i don't use it 01.12.13 # but the files are there, and it's inited 01.12.23 # try deleting the tcd files then 01.13.10 # the culprit seems to be the deleted files detection 01.13.38 # kiedoke, testing 01.13.38 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.14.09 # seems markedly improved, yes 01.14.11 # yes it does 01.14.51 # did you have auto-update enabled? 01.15.03 # nope 01.15.29 # it's still madly laggy 01.15.36 # it might have helped _some_ 01.15.53 # but it's still excruciatingly laggy 01.16.03 # :/ 01.16.22 # sometimes it takes over five seconds to skip a track 01.16.27 # and sometimes it registers keys waaaay too late 01.16.31 # and in batch mode, almost 01.16.38 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 01.18.35 Quit kugel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.18.46 Quit ze (Remote closed the connection) 01.18.54 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 01.18.55 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 01.19.21 # I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on an ipod 01.19.26 # * preglow goes for a green delta :-) 01.19.32 # Nico_P: you getting an ipod? 01.19.48 # amiconn is going to send me LinusN's 01.19.48 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 01.20.54 # haha, has linus even gotten to use it himself yet? :) 01.21.34 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.21.38 # not much AFAIK, but he doesn't seem to miss it too much ;) 01.21.51 # he couldn't have used it with Rockbox... 01.23.18 Quit gevaerts ("time to sleep") 01.24.59 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.26.27 # * pixelma agrees with gevaerts 01.28.06 # grah 01.28.12 # half past one already 01.28.28 # still early... 01.28.45 Part pixelma 01.30.49 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 01.32.24 Quit goffa_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.33.01 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.37.08 Join ze_ [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 01.37.55 Join TradeJack [0] (n=aurum@ool-182f7087.dyn.optonline.net) 01.37.59 # * preglow celebrates the 16 saved bytes on arm targets :) 01.39.34 # :) 01.41.22 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.43.32 # * amiconn still needs to draw his layout idea for the quickscreen 01.43.41 # But not now.... 01.43.48 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 01.44.07 Part TradeJack 01.44.39 # * preglow feels the lust for more speex hacking 01.44.50 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S0106001d6046900d.cg.shawcable.net) 01.46.08 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.47.45 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 01.49.17 Join BigMac [0] (n=Me@c-67-189-253-195.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 01.50.42 # Hey, anyone know how I can charge my gigabeat when it has a completly drained battery? 01.50.50 # Because you need to turn it on to charge 01.50.56 # and I can't charge it 01.51.02 # BigMac: you don't need to turn it on 01.51.18 # Well I have it plugged in 01.51.19 # just plug in either the charger or a USB cable 01.51.24 # and it doesn't kick over 01.51.35 # how long did you leave it connected? 01.51.50 # Its been like 5 minutes just sitting 01.51.51 # there 01.52.07 # 5 minutes is not very long for a completely drained battery 01.52.14 # do you have the batter switch to on? 01.52.17 # battery 01.52.28 # this is a few month old build, don't know if anything has changed in the boot code, but I can't update it either way 01.52.36 # yes it is on 01.52.45 # and I didn't know it was charging right now 01.53.02 # it just has a blank screen 01.53.13 # yes, even from USB it charges, but never shows the charge icon that way. 01.53.35 # maybe it doesn't from the charger either if the battery is too empty 01.53.54 # which ways did you mean by "either way"? 01.53.56 # wait so even though rockbox never loaded 01.54.00 # and it never turned on 01.54.05 # and I can't access the drive 01.54.08 # it is charging? 01.54.24 # if it's off and you connect the charger it should charge 01.54.34 # it doesn't 01.54.39 # how can you tell? 01.54.53 # just leave it for an hour and try to turn it on again 01.54.53 # Because I can leave it for an hour 01.54.57 # ok 01.55.02 # and still not be able to turn it on 01.55.14 # I have left it for an hour 01.55.26 # I left it while I got my haircut 01.55.30 # but not charging 01.55.33 # Last time I asked you it was just 5 minutes. I must have misunderstood. 01.55.48 # Yes, thi instance is 01.55.58 # I unplugged it to see if it would turn on 01.56.05 # but it didn't 01.56.06 # maybe reset the player with the battery switch and try to charge again 01.56.12 # I don't know what else you could try. 01.56.45 # Yah, tried that last night too 01.56.55 # thanks guy, anyone else got any ideas 01.57.15 Quit ze_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.58.22 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98216888@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-08ced1550bb20c2d) 02.00.53 Join azn [0] (n=4c7e7992@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c07571eb8da7d1e9) 02.01.38 # how do you install the pacman rom 02.02.31 # azn: how many times do we have to tell you to read the wikipages/manual? 02.02.57 # it says put it in the .rockbox/pacman/ directory 02.03.12 # so does that mean to create a pacman folder? 02.03.45 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 02.03.53 # if it doesnt exist, yes 02.04.45 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 02.09.02 Quit weezerle ("...und tschüss!") 02.11.41 Quit azn ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.18.53 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 02.21.18 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.21.21 # I seem to have a problem with themes. Many of them simply don't change much and don't look like in the previews 02.22.50 # what theme did you try 02.23.18 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 02.24.08 # oh wait 02.24.13 # it might just be a font problem 02.24.35 Quit defukt (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.24.39 # Aqua, Trinity, JoltAmp 02.24.54 # got a link? 02.24.57 # all give me an ugly green font that isn't the one supposed to be 02.25.13 # they are all in the "extra" installation version 02.26.54 # Soul-Burn: might want to mention a player and which of the sites linked under there you grabbed them from 02.27.04 # if you're not going to link the specific one 02.27.14 # iPod photo, http://www.rockbox.org/ 02.27.43 # full "extra install" 02.27.49 # from the gui installer 02.32.17 Join azn [0] (n=4c7e7992@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c34f4c729c827d34) 02.32.30 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.32.42 # i've checked the manual i can't find how to update your music 02.32.55 # in the rockbox database 02.33.06 # Setting -> Database -> Update 02.33.26 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 02.33.39 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 02.34.45 # how long does it take 02.35.13 # a few minutes for me 02.35.31 # k 02.35.31 Join webguest46 [0] (n=424393e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2feddc4beee38224) 02.35.39 # i have a nano 02.35.41 # ipod 02.35.46 # i want to add movies 02.35.53 # where is it in the manual 02.36.06 # to add stuff, just copy it to your player 02.36.17 # movies should be mpeg1/2 in .mpg form 02.37.32 # anyone know how to get the griffin itrip to work with an ipod video 30gb? 02.40.59 Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.41.11 Join webguest26 [0] (n=424393e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5d2df4909dcd5f94) 02.42.03 # does anyone know how to get the griffin itrip to work with rockbox? 02.44.02 # r youtube vids .mpg? 02.46.02 # webguest26, there is a wiki about that 02.47.55 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.51.26 # damn battery life goes down 02.54.38 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 02.54.38 Quit azn ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.54.39 Quit webguest26 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.00.10 Join Aghaster [0] (n=Aghaster@modemcable150.99-58-74.mc.videotron.ca) 03.00.12 # Hi 03.00.29 # I'm trying to find the page where all the credits for the people who contributed to the project is 03.06.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.09.35 Quit BitTorment (Remote closed the connection) 03.14.04 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.15.41 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 03.17.33 # Aghaster - it's inside rockbox itself - I believe it's a plugin called "Credits". 03.17.52 # and in SVN also 03.17.55 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 03.18.04 # i know when you do a build it spits out a text file, but i have no idea where it comes from 03.19.53 Join sk8member [0] (n=crappees@c-68-63-253-235.hsd1.ky.comcast.net) 03.20.18 # hello 03.20.30 # any one there? 03.20.40 Nick sk8member is now known as sk8 (n=crappees@c-68-63-253-235.hsd1.ky.comcast.net) 03.21.19 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.21.41 Part sk8 03.28.30 Join hermy [0] (n=1860e82c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fda795b84f02b113) 03.29.31 # does anyone have like a link for the gui for installing rockbox 03.32.21 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.32.21 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 03.32.45 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp-64-91-85-249.cam.centurytel.net) 03.34.49 Quit hermy ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.36.12 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.36.15 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-242-162.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.36.25 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-242-162.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.55.28 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.10.48 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 04.11.01 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 04.15.18 Quit Soul-Burn () 04.21.31 Quit MattAndrew ("Leaving") 04.33.21 Quit madman91 (Remote closed the connection) 04.35.54 Join madman91 [0] (n=madman91@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-f216201c4fac66c7) 04.41.01 Quit madman91 (Remote closed the connection) 04.45.15 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 04.46.12 Quit Aghaster ("Leaving") 04.46.44 Join jurrie [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 04.49.55 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.50.44 # whats the custom quickscreen patch? 04.53.20 # does it still need testing? i can test now after i finially got my gigabeat back 04.56.01 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 04.57.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.57.50 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4338.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.02.23 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 05.05.30 # psycho_maniac: yeah, if you wanna test it that would be good... fs#8553... althought the gigabeat screen really is too big for it so the parts which actually need testing (resizing and moving the items around) wont get tested 05.06.37 # what players do need testing? 05.06.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.06.44 # all 05.06.50 # but more the ones with smalller screens 05.08.35 # since my sansa isnt my main player anymore i can test that also 05.09.28 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 05.09.39 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 05.11.17 # and quickscreen.2.patch is the most current patch? 05.11.56 # no... 1 min 05.12.52 # well im updating my source this moment anyways so i have time. 05.13.01 # ok, latest ver is up 05.13.44 # i see it was in svn then taken out. why was this? 05.14.08 # dont ask :) 05.19.30 # what number do i input when doing the patch command? 05.20.20 Join raky__ [0] (i=r4kz@p57A617C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 05.22.07 # -p0 05.22.13 # as all patches should be 05.22.49 # thanks 05.23.57 # i could maybe do an ipod video test also 05.23.58 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 05.24.09 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 05.24.49 # err maybe not. im getting a "missing initializer" error 05.25.27 Join madman91 [0] (n=madman91@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-18e7d5637b54be1e) 05.25.47 # it patches fine though 05.29.06 Join MattAndrew [0] (n=mzandrew@cpe-67-49-176-228.hawaii.res.rr.com) 05.30.34 Quit madman91 (Remote closed the connection) 05.31.19 Quit Horscht ("I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup") 05.36.21 Quit csc` (Connection timed out) 05.36.27 Quit raky_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.43.02 # are there custom settings somewhere in the menu? 05.43.41 # they are in the config file 05.44.19 # "quickscreen spot:config name" where spot is left, right top or bottom and config name is the config string of the option you want to put there 05.44.37 # e.g. "quickscreen bottom:shuffle" 05.45.09 # wow you can tell i have this patched. seems to run slow when i enter quickscreen and change "show files" 05.45.30 # are there any settings in svn that are "hidden" as in they can only be changed by editing the cfg file 05.45.34 # yeah, that needs fixing 05.45.39 # also i can only change it to either "supported" or "all" 05.45.46 # midgey: yes 1 05.45.46 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.45.58 # other than some filename settings 05.46.04 # which one is that? 05.46.53 # hold_lr_to_scroll or something along those lines 05.47.00 # settings_list.c if you really interesetd 05.47.16 # i'll check it out after exams 05.48.04 # regarding the debate about gather runtime etc from earlier, i think thats a good candidate for being hidden. 05.48.21 # set it to on by default and it could be changed by editing the config 05.48.22 # we all agree hiden settings suck though 05.48.45 # indeed but it would keep the option available and cut down on binsize slightly 05.48.58 # not sure where you'd draw the line though 05.49.13 # the delta would be tiny 05.49.19 # 100bytes or something 05.49.24 # barely wrth the efort 05.49.50 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 05.49.57 # JdGordon: give me some random settings to test this patch with 05.52.36 # save your settings, open the .cfg with your favorite (or any) text editor.. grab one that you want to put there 05.56.21 # works alright. i had a long one in there but it didnt show up. disable autoresume if phones not present 05.57.41 # didnt show up how? 05.57.47 # screenshots! 05.57.50 # also i had a "quickscreen top:" setting and that didtn show up either. its not there. 05.58.29 # hold on 05.58.57 # just curious. have you had many testers? 06.01.30 # no 06.01.35 # thats the bloody problem 06.01.58 # first is the settings: http://xs124.xs.to/xs124/08065/dump080207-225913749.png 06.02.00 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.02.25 # arg.. i think I found the problem with the colours... viewports isnt using drawmode as I expected 06.02.34 # thats fucked! 06.02.43 # ? 06.02.45 # oh, thats the text editor :p 06.02.59 # correct. showing you what settings i have to the quickscreen 06.03.18 # ok, they look correct 06.03.21 # and this is what shows up: http://xs124.xs.to/xs124/08065/dump080207-225936154.png 06.03.45 # show files is 2 words 06.04.05 # alright, but what about the one on the left? 06.04.06 # and the left one is too long 06.04.23 # max 20 letters, which needs fixing... 06.04.27 # not sure how though 06.04.32 # ahh ok 06.05.06 # could you do volume? 06.06.08 Quit midgey () 06.06.14 # elmost every setting should work 06.06.25 # the only ones which definatly wont work are the colours and filenames 06.06.38 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.06.38 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 06.07.42 # alright but i can only change 2 settings out of any the setting has.. Ie: show files is either all or supported and volume is only 0 or 1. 06.07.50 Quit qweru ("moo") 06.08.31 # this is where it gets interesting... that was reported, but i cant reproduce it 06.08.33 # wow when i did volume (this is probably not very good) i have it set to "left" and when i press it it goes from +6 to -73 repeating 06.08.53 # good thing i dont have headphones plugged in 06.09.00 # :) 06.09.24 # show files reall doesnt work for you? 06.09.27 # actually the volume doesnt seem to change. 06.09.54 # it will only let me set it to supported or all 06.10.00 # ok, you can stop testing... im fiddling with it now, if your stil around in an hour you can test again if im done 06.10.50 # also volume doesnt change in quickscreen. When i exit the quickscreen THEN it changes 06.12.13 # yeah, fixing that 06.13.26 # also show files doesnt even work. It showed to show "supported" but was set to "playlists" 06.16.17 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 06.17.54 # I would be glad to help JdGordon but our time zones are different or i go to bed early. and am pretty busy in my normal life. 06.18.01 Join |aneka| [0] (n=kvirc@66.251.24.160) 06.19.51 # so i will probably pop in tomorrow and see whats up and check the fs page. 06.22.11 Quit psycho_maniac (" getting very sleepy") 06.26.35 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-71-132-81-58.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) 06.27.06 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 06.27.44 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 06.29.18 # how does everyone feel about being asked to apply settings if a setting is changed in the quickscreen that doesnt have an auto-update callback function? 06.32.38 Quit midgey () 06.49.07 Quit ol_schoola () 06.52.38 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982165ed@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eb29a467d94bf3a4) 06.55.17 Part toffe82 06.57.12 Quit |aneka| ("KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 07.06.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.12.28 # oh bloody hell... /me slaps the sim 07.12.39 # actually.. /me slaps the target 07.13.03 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 07.24.37 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D376.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.34.24 Join BHSPitMonkey_ [0] (n=stephen@129.120.244.114) 07.34.26 Join madman91 [0] (n=madman91@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-522e74e136fd3c9a) 07.39.34 Quit madman91 (Remote closed the connection) 07.41.30 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 07.45.38 # jhMikeS: you rock! 07.45.52 # just tested your changes on my S and I get to the menu! 07.46.10 # * JdGordon was going to say stop wasting time with the S and get to work on the swcodec replacement :) 07.49.12 # Nico_P: I've no idea what to do next re: the directory tree 07.49.35 # jhMikeS: I guess we need a button driver, don't we? 07.49.37 # The button driver doesn't really work either 07.49.41 # :) 07.50.23 # and maybe we could try getting the usb stack going, I have no idea what's to be done in that respect 07.50.35 # it's make testing easier 07.50.44 # s/it's/it'd 07.51.39 # jhMikeS: also, the port page says "The Audio DAC is register compatible with the WM8975, for which rockbox already has a driver. However, we can't use it yet because the I2C driver is so far unwritten." 07.55.45 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 07.56.37 # I don't know if it's really register compatbile. The WM chips have many differences. 07.57.09 # What was wrong with the button driver? Seemed to work fine for me... 07.57.26 # For one, initializing interfered with the ATA init 07.57.54 # Interesting... 07.58.16 # IO mux stuff perhaps? 07.58.51 # I think we're at the point where disassembly is needed to get the correct register settings 07.59.15 Join Axio_ [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 07.59.24 Quit Axio_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.59.40 # * Nico_P leaves for school 08.00.24 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 08.05.09 Quit Buschel () 08.09.35 Quit ch4os_ ("Lost terminal") 08.10.34 # * JdGordon having _fun_ pulling down 400mb of gcc/binutils soures to hopefully be able to buyild rockbox for pocket pc 08.12.38 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0B88F.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.16.21 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.16.21 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.16.42 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 08.17.33 Join madman91 [0] (i=madman91@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-49960be06088e0b1) 08.19.47 Join conando [0] (i=Soeren@dslb-084-060-176-094.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.20.19 # * pondlife would just like to mention that "Gather Runtime Data" must remain an option whilst it causes a disk spinup after every track... 08.21.01 Quit aneka (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.22.43 Quit madman91 (Remote closed the connection) 08.23.26 Join spr0k3t__ [0] (n=spr0k3t@CPE-69-76-171-220.kc.res.rr.com) 08.24.51 # Until the runtime data gathering does lazy updates (i.e. on next spinup), it should be defaulted to off IMHO. Dircache and DB in RAM could default to on though. 08.25.02 # * pondlife reads logs and talks to himself. 08.25.03 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host118-214-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.25.20 # dircache and db in ram should default to off 08.25.27 # +db 08.25.52 # I don't mind much either way. 08.26.03 # But Gather Runtime is still a bit flawed. 08.26.31 # Depends on target of course ... I wouldn't use a HD target without dircache 08.26.40 # But I don't own a flash target. 08.28.48 # I think dircache could default to on on hd targets with enough ram 08.29.18 # db in ram should default to off, as well as gather runtime data 08.29.50 # I'm not sure, but I thought 'gather runtime data' only saves at the next spinup? 08.29.59 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.30.17 # That still doesn't mean I want to see it enabled by default 08.30.35 # I dont suppose anyone here knows how to setup gcc for pocketpc? 08.32.25 # jhMikeS: Did you notice that rockbox.gigabeat won't load properly if the hold switch is off? 08.34.05 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 08.35.47 # amiconn: I believe the intention is that Gather Runtime Data only saves at the next spinup, but it seems not to be the case 08.37.00 # That'd be a serious bug then 08.38.04 Quit spr0k3t_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.38.08 # Honestly, I have never tried it on any of my targets 08.38.25 # amiconn: that is a problem because the way the playback engine has changed 08.38.51 # but it can be fixed, the best when db is loaded to ram 08.39.06 # how much data needs writing? 08.39.11 # not much 08.39.34 # it can be cached for non-db-in-ram targets too 08.39.35 # point me in the direction of the offending code? 08.39.59 # yeah, just cache it and write it out in an ata callback instead of the playback callback 08.40.04 # playback engine now unbuffers tracks more often 08.40.10 # Well, looks like it needs integration with MoB 08.40.10 # it's already cached 08.40.24 # but now it's written to disk after a few seconds of inactivity 08.40.35 # amiconn: you mean malloc() :D 08.40.38 # JdGordon: you could change that inactivity trigger to ata callback trigger 08.40.56 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.40.59 # No, I don't 08.41.00 # but for db-in-ram targets it should be more intelligent 08.41.03 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.41.15 # db in ram should be fine to write back instantly 08.41.17 # sholdnt it? 08.41.28 # yes, write to ram 08.41.40 # commit changed data on shutdown / after a longer delay 08.42.10 # no problem with commiting on the ata callback also 08.44.11 # JdGordon: check the run_command_queue in tagcache.c 08.44.50 # Slasheri: So that means the svn implementation should still work as originally intended on hwcodec? 08.45.41 # amiconn: yes, it should 08.45.49 # phew, my X5 is now repaired again, i replaced the joystick 08.46.28 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.46.36 # they aren't manufactured anymore, but i managed to get hold of a few 08.46.44 # Slasheri: would splitting up tagcache.c into seperate files make it easier for others to follow the code? 08.47.04 # the x5 joystick is really not of the best quality 08.47.15 # JdGordon: well, maybe :) 08.47.24 # * amiconn honestly does not want to enable a 'spy on me' feature with useless output without being forced to though. 08.47.27 # 08.47.35 # JdGordon: i have thought about that also 08.47.58 # 4500+ lines is never fun to work with :p 08.48.26 # but thats beisdes the point... how many tracks can that buffer handle? 08.49.57 # TAGCACHE_COMMAND_QUEUE_LENGTH 32 08.50.35 # so 32 data updates.. and one tracks requires several updates 08.51.23 # JdGordon: 10 tracks 08.51.33 # 10 tracks should be fine 08.52.21 # something liek http://pastebin.ca/896021 should work 08.52.24 # There could easily be more than 10 tracks in ram on G5.5/80 08.53.06 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 08.53.23 # not sure about that commit delay check though... that might be removable 08.54.04 # * JdGordon too tired to get the function names correct :( 08.54.27 # ata_callback_register should be register_ata_idle_func 08.55.45 # and shouldnt command_queue_timestamp get updated once the sync has happened? 09.03.37 # aliask: I noticed if I flip the hold switch, then it locks. (the battery indicator stops blinking). 09.03.49 Join ackbahr [0] (n=jean@d83-181-109-171.cust.tele2.ch) 09.05.17 # I think it's just because it actually tries reading the buttons in that case 09.05.18 # JdGordon: well, currently command_queue_timestamps indicates when the last command was added to the queue 09.05.30 # so after a defined idle period, a write will happen 09.06.24 # is that actually needed though? 09.06.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.07.10 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 09.07.24 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 09.07.38 # I mean, is it a problem if that data doesnt get synced untill it has to? 09.08.42 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.14.08 # Slasheri: http://pastebin.ca/896033 is a bit better 09.14.25 # The Note: of MCIMX31RM.pdf p. 27-5, KCO 15-8 might be a clue 09.14.38 # I didnt realise that command queue func was called every time through the thread so that woiuld have been nasty 09.16.25 Join madman91 [0] (i=madman91@80.252.175.11) 09.19.48 # hmm... if this starts working, we should remove the setting completly and always log it 09.22.32 # Meh, noo 09.22.51 # why not? 09.23.18 # I do not want to waste battery on a feature that spies on me without me ever needing the result 09.23.35 # Same goes for the last.fm thingy 09.23.35 # hehe... your paranoid about software you write? :D 09.23.48 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@79.131.107.65) 09.23.51 # and it hardly wastes any extra battery 09.23.55 # i agree, i can accept it being the default option, but not being mandatory 09.24.30 # however, i don't really see it as "spying" though 09.25.02 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 09.25.21 # in fact, we should refrain from writing to the disk as much as possible 09.25.32 # imho 09.26.08 # no, we should refrain from causing extra spinups... 09.26.17 # that too 09.26.30 # every disk write is a potential risk 09.29.12 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 09.29.18 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 09.30.00 # amiconn: can you draw up that diagram you were talking about how the quickscreen should look? and/or test out 8553 and let me know which screen/font/settings combos breaks it? 09.31.39 # and on that bombshell.... /me going to bed 09.31.44 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 09.36.18 # JdGordon|zzz: looks good, if that works go ahead and commit :) 09.41.27 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 09.47.38 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.54.30 # JdGordon|zzz: I'm probably too late, but the disk write should only happen on ATA spinup (and shutdown if that doesn't come out in the wash). 09.54.38 # No other timers or counts required. 09.55.25 # We should be able to cache data for as many tracks as the buffer can hold, of course... I think it's still limited to 128 somewhere 09.56.25 # Isn't that going to require a large cache? i.e. N tracks * MAX_PATH, plus whatever the data is? 09.57.12 # Maybe, perhapas it should only do it using the database-in-RAM? 09.57.31 # Or store it on buffer in the track header? 09.57.45 # * pondlife invents terminology as he goes along... 09.59.29 Join pondlif1 [0] (n=Steve@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 10.00.00 Quit daurnimator ("Cyas later...") 10.07.06 # rasher: Regarding my VM attempt, you asked about the output of lspci. I don't seem to have such a command. 10.08.20 # I'm downloading VMWare Server right now.. 10.11.34 # pondlif1: lspci is usually only in the PATH for the root user 10.11.49 # and downloading VMWare server won't fix it if it's not there in the vmimage ;) 10.12.02 # it should, however, be present in both the VMs you got from me 10.12.02 # I know, but it might help with my networking grief 10.12.09 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 10.12.11 # (and should report the same thing as it would in rasher's) 10.12.32 # I was logged on as root btw 10.12.50 # I've uninstalled VMWare Player, will try both images again in a while 10.17.49 Quit pondlife (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.18.09 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 10.20.48 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 10.20.55 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.22.22 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@89-125-27-182.dhcp-ripwave.irishbroadband.ie) 10.25.35 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 10.33.11 Quit barrywardell () 10.36.19 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-011.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 10.40.05 # So, did anyone else use my patch to brick a player yet ? 10.40.09 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy11.netz.sbs.de) 10.40.43 Join parafin|away [0] (i=parafin@parafin.dialup.corbina.ru) 10.42.00 # not yet ;) 10.42.10 # * daurnimator waves 10.42.12 # I'm looking at how to make it play nice with the 80GB ipods at the moment 10.42.40 # gevaerts: Did your later fixes resolve rasher's filesystem problem? 10.42.48 # I mean, prevent it reoccuring ;) 10.43.02 # gevaerts: Still no luck recovering your player/ 10.45.47 # pondlif1: They might. They do fix my problem (i.e. writing to the wrong flash(), and they do more error checking on incoming transfers, so things should at least be better. 10.46.59 # linuxstb: not yet. I played a bit with the e200r tools and got code to run on the device (I can manipulate the button lights), but I couldn't get flash access yet. I'll spend more time on it tonight 10.49.52 # so I was lucky that the patch didn't work on windows anyways... :o 10.51.39 # pixelma: yes. Using the sd card with the new version should be "safe" though (but will still not work on windows) 10.51.52 Quit parafin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.53.25 # I was wondering if the failure to switch to the USB screen on sansa might indicate that other component's disk access is not shut down properly, which might possibly account for some corruption issues. 10.54.17 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 10.55.00 # In which case the current patch should work better on ipod than on sansa. Anyone with both willing to try ? 10.57.05 # failure to switch to the USB screen? I could see it here... 10.58.08 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@79.131.107.65) 11.02.11 # pixelma: It doesn't happen everywhere, but from what people said yesterday people with sansas mostly didnt get the screen, and people with ipods (both of them...) got it. During my testing I only got the screen once or twice 11.02.52 # gevaerts: linuxstb only got the usb screen on his ipod once (iiuc) 11.03.01 # I'm still getting it without fail though 11.03.26 # GodEater: so it's a blocksize issue ;-) 11.03.28 # GodEater: Did you try VMWare Server on XP (i.e. not Windows Server)? 11.03.57 # pondlif1: yes 11.04.03 # I've run it on XP and linux 11.04.32 # gevaerts: how does the usb storage stuff send back the number of cylinders ? 11.04.40 # I've noticed it's still going back to the OS wrong 11.06.20 # GodEater: It gets the total number of sectors directly from the disk (using the ata IDENTIFY data), and sends that back. The ata spec specifies sectors as 512 bytes. 11.06.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.06.54 # On larger-sector systems we have to translate this number, but I don't know how to find the sector size to use. 11.07.40 # gevaerts: I think we should stick to using 512 byte sectors, since this is the size Rockbox's ATA driver works with 11.07.45 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 11.08.00 # gevaerts: check for phys_sector_mult in ata.c 11.09.49 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.10.09 # identify_info[106] right ? 11.10.12 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0B88F.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.10.39 # GodEater: yes 11.12.05 # LinusN: Do you mind if I make phys_sector_mult non-static, or should I re-get the value (I'm already getting some other stuff from identify_info, so that would not be too involved) ? 11.12.32 # I think making it non-static makes more sense 11.12.37 # me too 11.12.50 # ok 11.12.54 # no point redoing work that's already done elsewhere 11.13.58 # on the other hand, the usb driver should have read identify[106] already... 11.14.44 # ah, i misunderstood your last comment 11.14.57 Quit Rob2222 (Client Quit) 11.15.13 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0B88F.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.15.23 # we should perhaps mimic the sector/block size that the apple bootloader uses 11.15.32 # (on the 5.5g) 11.16.55 # LinusN: what do you mean ? 11.17.05 # do you mean apple's disk mode ? 11.17.11 # yes 11.17.43 # I think that would involve a lot more work for our usb storage code to do 11.17.55 # you think so? 11.18.08 Join AdRock [0] (n=20902480@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ad9d91426c14a98d) 11.18.10 # it would have to be constantly translating between what the computer OS is expecting, and what our ATA driver is expecting 11.18.47 # yes, adjusting sector addresses and sector amounts 11.19.00 # I think that provided we can implement sending back the right disk size info the host OS, then we have much less work to do 11.19.29 # could be 11.19.45 # But would our method be slower at high speed? 11.19.56 # our method is already slow for disk writes 11.20.13 # even if we didn't introduce all the translating at the USB level 11.20.28 # Need some help. Wanna get rockbox on @ e260, but I turn my player on and I get this message-rockbox boot loader version 4.0 sandisk sansa e260 no partition found, I can't get the firmware to load for either rockbox AND the sansa firmware. ???? 11.20.34 # * GodEater wonders if it's time for someone to give addressing the problem at the FAT level another go 11.20.42 # * pondlif1 was just typing that 11.20.44 # although I hasten to add that person isn't me =( 11.20.44 # AdRock: what firmware version does your player run? 11.21.03 # for rbox or factory? 11.21.07 # factory 11.21.16 # a bootloader says that 11.21.21 # then it is installed 11.21.23 # I dunno 11.21.37 # how did you install this, what procedure are you following? 11.21.50 # * pondlif1 really likes the latest RBUtil pre-release... 11.22.36 # LinusN, gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/896094 11.22.40 # AdRock: and the unbrick wiki page is your best bet to get back to a known proper state 11.23.01 # that pastebin shows the way the disk is identified by fdisk for three different sector sizes given over USB by Rockbox, and the original Apple firmware 11.24.09 # I haven't installed the full rockbox build yet. Had an old version, deleted it, reset the plater and now can't get the player to load shit. Not even the factory firmware. Did a full format of the player to see if it would wipe everything clean(done it be4-loaded orig. sansa firmware)but now I fon't get squat 11.24.46 # i got it plugged in. It comes up on my pc as a fat32 disk 11.24.49 # Gah, VMWare Server wants a serial number... 11.24.59 # I registered but didn't see one 11.25.12 # pondlif1: one sec - I have a stack of them 11.25.40 # AdRock: beeep, format is badness 11.25.54 # then again, go the unbrick route 11.27.11 # gevaerts: a bit late, but good work on the code. 11.27.24 # Is the unbrick when the hold switch is on, holding the rec. button, pressing the power(menu)button and releasing it? Tried that and it says enter usb2.0 MSD mode 11.29.29 # Zagor: thanks. A pity my last test half-bricked my player though 11.29.37 # The version file text comes up in the E: submenu on my pc, it says----Version Info: Product Rev.: 11.29.57 # gevaerts: if you can't revive it, we'll get you a new one 11.30.09 # Zagor: hahaha - where from ? :) 11.30.20 # The pc recoginzed the player only as 16MB-FORMAT(E:) 11.30.31 # does Rockbox have a stash of V1 Sansas somewhere ? 11.30.32 # AdRock: that's recovery mode 11.30.39 # c250 isn't hard to come by 11.30.49 # I'll take your word for it :) 11.30.54 # Zagor: well, lots of them are v2s these days 11.30.55 # oh darn, they're v2. silly me,. 11.31.10 Join BitTorment [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 11.31.31 # Zagor: It should be possible. I'm going to try something like e200rpatcher to rewrite my partition table. 11.32.03 # Well, if it's in recovery mode, it's not doing anything. The player's screen is still saying---Welcome To Recovery Mode Please Connect USB Cable. USB Cable Connected. Enter USB2.0 MSD Mode 11.32.22 # AdRock: recovery mode is for recovery, it doesn't "do" anything 11.32.41 # I think I mentioned the unbrick wiki page already 11.33.29 # ok. didn't know that. sorry. Well then, i'm stumped. didn't see any info on an unbrick wiki. 11.33.59 # ok, I did the 2 seconds search for you: 11.34.01 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick 11.34.11 # there's no info there? 11.34.37 # wasn't looking on rockbox's page. 11.34.46 # you should, this is #rockbox... 11.36.36 # GodEater: What model do you have ? I'm preparing a new patch, but I'd like to do a test build first 11.37.12 # iPod 5.5G 80GB 11.37.18 # Black :) 11.37.27 # gevaerts: so you can't prepare the partition table using UMS? 11.37.57 # GodEater: ah, i remember having one of those... :-) 11.38.07 # :) 11.38.14 # LinusN: on my sansa ? no. it doesn't connect properly 11.38.25 # "properly"? 11.38.41 # LinusN: all sorts of scsi errors 11.38.44 # wow 11.40.01 # it seems gevaerts has found a weird new middle-ground for a kind of brickness 11.40.18 # where the OF reads data off the nand and believes it to be true 11.40.33 # Godeater : can you try patch I just uploaded ? It should handle blocksize conversion 11.40.46 # gevaerts: with pleasure 11.41.36 # Bagder: I didn't "find" it. It took some hard work to get it that way ;=) 11.41.43 # hehe 11.41.47 # right, you *created* it 11.41.51 # ;-) 11.41.53 # Ok. I can't get into any sort of recovery mode or manufacturing mode. I have the E: device file and the version(recovery partition???) showing, but don't have any .mi4 files for original sansa firmware. 11.42.17 # AdRock: then get one from daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html 11.43.44 # I see 3 diff. ones. Any particular one to go with? 11.43.52 Join Axio_ [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 11.44.01 Quit Axio_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.44.20 # 2=regular bl rom, 1=regular bl 11.44.38 # you want a .mi4 one 11.45.03 Join Axio_ [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 11.45.21 Quit Axio_ (Remote closed the connection) 11.45.22 Join eminn3m [0] (n=eminn3m@cpe-76-90-27-89.socal.res.rr.com) 11.46.14 # GodEater: Our ata sector size handling is *only* slow if ata_write_sectors is *actually* called for single sector transfers 11.46.25 # K. getting 1.02.15a saved to disk. once saved and opened, do i just take the .mi4 file and load it into the recovery partition? 11.46.55 Quit eminn3m (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.46.59 # If the sector count in the call is a multiple of 2 (in case of the MK8011GAH), it doesn't slow down anything 11.47.03 Join eminn3m [0] (n=eminn3m@cpe-76-90-27-89.socal.res.rr.com) 11.47.04 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 11.47.21 # amiconn: well, we still do 1-sector reads when parsing directories, don't we? 11.47.22 # Same goes for reading 11.47.35 # and we do that a lot, right? 11.47.43 # LinusN: In rockbox, yes. But usb transfers wnever would 11.47.49 # of course 11.48.20 Join eminn3m1 [0] (n=eminn3m@cpe-76-90-27-89.socal.res.rr.com) 11.48.29 Quit eminn3m (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.49.12 # That said, our fat driver should learn to optionally handle larger blocks, allowing to trade ram for performance or vice versa, at compile time 11.49.15 # amiconn: Windows does (if the device has a 512 bytes USB blocksize). 11.49.37 # gevaerts: Yeah, but the G5.5 has 2048 bytes USB block size 11.50.06 Join eminn3m [0] (n=eminn3m@cpe-76-90-27-89.socal.res.rr.com) 11.50.40 Quit eminn3m1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.51.35 # New fdsik -l output : http://pastebin.ca/896105 11.51.55 Quit Axio (Client Quit) 11.51.57 # I'm dd'ing out the firmware partition as a test currently 11.51.57 Quit AdRock ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.52.46 # I know it says to ignore found new hardware popups but its not showing up as a drive 11.53.26 # I have no way to access it 11.53.40 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-398147.home.otenet.gr) 11.53.50 # GodEater: that looks interesting. At least the total size is now correct. 11.54.03 Join AdRock [0] (n=20902480@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-349153f77b589587) 11.54.08 # gevaerts: it was anyway when using 512 byte sectors (see earlier pastebin) 11.54.16 # it's just the block counts which are different 11.55.16 # My guess is that it still won't work correctly. The partition table still doesn't match reality. 11.55.31 # correct 11.55.36 # the dd produced garbage again 11.55.37 # K. Got the player unbricked (f'ing finally-thanks badger) but now it is coming up 'Not enough free space, free up 6mb.) looked at the system info and it's showing a disk space and free space total of 0 11.56.25 # wow, what is saying that? the regular firmware? 11.56.33 # Godeater: Can you change usb_storage.c line 246 to block_size_mult = 4; instead of phys_sector_mult ? 11.57.12 # gevaerts: one second 12.00.36 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C6AE.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.00.59 Quit AdRock ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 12.01.01 Join AdRock [0] (n=2095a9c8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5b510ccd9730889f) 12.01.38 # Sorry. connection timed out. what do i do ? 12.02.27 # AdRock: try going back to recovery mode as described on the wiki, and putting an empty file named 'sansa.fmt' on the 16MB rcovery partition 12.03.42 # gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/896115 12.04.33 # GodEater: looks about right, doesn't it? 12.04.59 # by which means do i go about putting a new file into the partition folder? E: screen came up with Version text doc. and that's it 12.05.47 # LinusN: is does 12.05.55 # s/is/it 12.07.01 Quit AdRock ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.08.27 # It's my fault for not paying attention, but is there a reason why inserting a single track (when playback was stopped) doesn't work? 12.09.24 # GodEater: can you mount it ? (I'd try r/o for now...) 12.09.53 # I'm trying a dd first 12.09.56 # it's still running 12.10.48 # hcs: that bug has been reported earlier, i don't know if it has been researched though 12.10.51 # * GodEater sees an apple copyright ascii art image 12.10.59 # :-) 12.11.48 Join AdRock [0] (n=2095a9c8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-664c7e5aedf150e1) 12.11.56 # LinusN: is there a new playback mechanism? is there a flyspray entry I should look at? 12.12.52 # * GodEater sees a directory listing! 12.13.00 # \o/ 12.13.07 # hcs: there are plenty of (i think) related flyspray tasks, plus a bunch of threads in the forum 12.13.09 # wow 12.13.13 # that's great 12.13.29 # GodEater: congrats! 12.13.31 # Damnit....I'm getting pissed. I got the firmware to boot, got the main screen and options on the sansa e26o f/w, but it's showing that I have 0.0 space at all for storage. WTF??? 12.13.43 # hcs: for example FS#8520 12.13.58 # AdRock: Can you go to the settings menu and choose "format" ? 12.14.18 # GodEater: I was assuming this was about the Gigabeat S, but I see I was mistaken, right? 12.14.28 # LinusN: thanks 12.14.34 # markun: iPod sorry markun 12.14.40 # * GodEater is doing about 9 things at once 12.14.42 # hcs: that's a very weird bug, I only get it on certain folders and in such a folder it also skips the 3rd track when playing from a point with more than 2 tracks remaining 12.15.21 # pixelma: yeah I've noticed odd playlist skipping, too 12.15.27 # settings listed-radio options, music options, slideshow options, backlight, language, time and date, brightness, bolume, reset all, info, auto shut off, usb mode. That's it 12.15.31 # Does anyone have a suggestion about how to find out this 2048 byte sector size thing ? Should I just check for the build model, or is there a more general way to do it ? 12.15.42 Quit eminn3m () 12.16.08 # hcs: couldn't find out what determines such a folder... :\ 12.16.41 # pixelma: it's new behavior, though, this always used to work. any determination when it was introduced? 12.16.50 # AdRock: do you et a drive letter when you plug it in ? If not, try setting the usb mode to MSC. 12.17.33 # gevaerts: i don't know of a sure-fire way to do it 12.18.08 # I'm getting usb device resets like linuxstb was yesterday too 12.18.14 # but otherwise it's great :) 12.18.17 # It says exception processing message and then a bunch of numbers and letters, and i have it in msc mode 12.19.23 # hcs: unfortunately no, can't give an exact date. I realised now that I haven't heard track three in one of my favourite albums I listen to regularly, must be a few weeks 12.19.54 Quit AdRock ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.20.49 Join AdRock [0] (n=209035a7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-db07ca1732c4c1a7) 12.21.02 # AdRock: Try going back to the recovery mode, and put a file called sansa.fmt on it. If you can't make one, I put one at http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/sansa.fmt you can download. 12.21.11 # pixelma: ok, just wondered if it'd be a waste for me to go looking 12.22.24 # got booted again. sorry. anyways, it says-exception processing message then a bunch of numbers and letters.=window-no disk. when i go into my pc, it shows E: and F: but i click on them both and it says please insert disk into drive : 12.22.57 # also yay for whoever decided BUTTON_VOL_UP for e200 but BUTTON_SCROLL_BACK for c200 12.23.07 # i clicked on your link geavers and i get a blank page 12.23.32 # AdRock: right-click and save it 12.23.40 Join Soul-Burn [0] (n=b@bzq-79-182-17-222.red.bezeqint.net) 12.24.12 # k. i just load that into the recovery partition then? 12.24.19 # AdRock: yes 12.24.23 # feature request: when a directory is empty in the file manager, it should show it somehow, otherwise you get an empty screen which is not intuitive, and scary the first time 12.25.05 # LinusN: isn't there some way to tell from the disk that it's a 2048 model? 12.25.41 # Zagor: the thing is that the disk is a 1024-byte model, it's apple's idea to make the block size 2048 bytes 12.25.50 # hcs: in these folders, I also have the problem that resume will start at the beginning of the next track not at the resume point. And I was testing this a while ago and found resume started misbehaving with r16105 (which surprised me too) - *but* this was before I noticed it's only certain folders for me and I'm not so sure anymore if it's the same thing 12.25.54 # and i believe it does that even if the disk is a 512-byte model 12.26.04 # ok 12.26.38 # I tried saving the file/link and it only comes up as the option to save link as. I tried saving it and i get nothing. 12.26.49 # hcs: what do you mean with the button definitions? 12.26.51 # i don't know if all 5.5G models use a 2048-byte block size 12.27.04 # LinusN: do we know if any other RB targets use the same exact drive model ? 12.27.28 # i don't know of any 12.27.32 # * LinusN goes to lunch 12.27.47 # then we could base our block size check on the drive model (nasty nasty hack) 12.27.50 # man, my player is supremely fucked 12.27.52 # but I can't think of another way to do it 12.28.04 # AdRock: not really 12.28.04 # pixelma: never mind, was confusion on my part 12.29.03 # well, i got the sansa.fmt file into the e: partition. E: screen reads-Version-txt file 1kb. sansa.fmt fmt file 0kb. 12.29.07 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 12.29.33 # AdRock: OK. Now choose "safe remove", and unplug the sansa 12.30.08 # screen reads- formatting 12.30.15 # We could of course read the fat boot sector, but that's not really clean 12.30.33 # AdRock: OK. that's what it should do 12.31.38 # AdRock: Now just wait until it resets itself 12.31.41 # the only reason this started on me is that everytime i used rockbox's database on my player, it would go extremely slow. Eg. wouldn't load files sometimes, would take hours to build a database for roughly 1k mp3 files, wouldn't seek for different songs, etc. 12.32.06 # AdRock: I would say that you should've tried a scandisk as step 1 12.32.42 # but the good news is now you don't have to ;-) 12.32.48 # Even after I removed rockbox and did I full re-install of the software it would act up. Everything works perfectly within rockbox, except for the database 12.33.39 # Well, good shit. The orig. firmware is up and running finally with the correct storage amount. Whew. was worried for quite a bit 12.34.06 # AdRock: great! 12.34.22 # AdRock, did you load it to ram? 12.35.50 # Thanks for all the help you guys. Now, as far as putting r/box back on, if the database still loads super slow or the player plays a song, even after i seek forward and it takes more that a min. or two, to get to the next track, what might the problem be? 12.38.58 # Rockbox back up and running, database build taking 4ever again though. Only reading 1 file per 2 min or so. :( 12.38.59 # AdRock: I'd say it is very possible that your problems were caused by a corrupted filesystem in the first place, so I don't think it makes much sense to speculate on other causes before ruling that out (note that I know nothing about how rockbox handles its filesystem and database) 12.39.12 # AdRock: OK. So I was wrong... 12.40.00 # no worries. 12.41.08 # Shit. Well, now the player isn't reading the micro sd drive, even though I have a 2gb card in it. 12.42.22 # trying 1gb card.......damn. still coming up please insert disk into drive g: f: is fine (sansa player) 12.44.49 # LinusN: All G5.5s (i.e. both the 30GB and the 80GB model) uses 2048-byte usb block size 12.45.03 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B162662.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.45.05 # The plain G5, however, uses 512 byte 12.45.47 # amiconn: So only the G5.5 uses 2048 bytes ? Then it's probably easiest to just test for that. What's the correct #define to test for ? 12.46.36 # Well, the sansa firmware is up and running without a problem. same with rockbox, but within both, no recognization of the micro sd slot......?? 12.48.37 # nothing eh??? 12.49.01 # Soul-Burn: for your interest - you can't load the database to RAM on the Sansas 12.49.23 # AdRock: Sounds like a hardware problem to me, but you never know. 12.50.18 Join peppo [0] (n=slumpmas@c-4671e155.41-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 12.50.34 # AdRock: if the OF shows the problem, then surely it isn't due to rockbox and since both show this it sounds like something is broken 12.50.36 # pixelma, didn't know :-P 12.50.41 # do I need to buy a classic for any of the devs, or is this already taken care of? =) 12.50.58 # peppo: I think you'd need to do more than that... 12.52.23 # gevaerts: There is no #define, as the same build runs on both the G5 and G5.5 12.52.34 Part peppo ("part") 12.52.37 Join peppo [0] (n=slumpmas@c-4671e155.41-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 12.52.54 # amiconn: I just found that out. Is there another way to know ? 12.54.03 # Is there anyway to see if there is a problem with the micro sd slot and why it won't recognize a micro sd card? tried the card seperately on my pc and phone and it's working fine. 12.54.22 Quit GodEater (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.54.36 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 12.56.40 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se) 12.59.47 # ??? 13.00.21 Join roxfan2 [0] (n=dunno@62.1-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 13.01.31 # Is there anyway to see if there is a problem with the micro sd slot and why it won't recognize a micro sd card? 13.01.54 # try in the of? 13.02.08 # of? 13.02.14 # orig. firmware 13.02.15 # original firmware 13.02.30 # yea. nothing. 13.03.06 # it comes up on my pc. when i put it in a card reader, it comes up on my phone's slot, but nothing on the sansa firmware. 13.04.14 # even when i have the card in the sansa and connected to my pc. it comes up as a please insert disk. Did I load a bad version of the firmware when i had to re-format the player? 13.04.32 # could you try with a different card? 13.04.34 # Is it an SDHC card? 13.05.06 # I used a 1gb, 2gb. both reg. and then tried a 4gb hc. 13.05.06 # AdRock: you can always run the sandisk firmware update thing to get the latest, afaiu 13.05.45 # all cards xcept for the 4gb. show up on my pc, phone and in the past on the sansa. 13.06.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.53 # running the sansa updater, but it shows nothing. running v.1.02.15a firmware. Any possible way to downgrade by a version? 13.07.01 # That's expected then, afaik the sansa OF doesn't support SDHC 13.07.16 # 4GB and higher are SDHC cards 13.08.24 # know that. i only used to use the 4gb with rockbox and a n95 & pc. with the adapter. norm. f/w in sansa and my razr don't recognize it. 13.08.26 # AdRock: not using that tool I think 13.09.21 Quit roxfan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.09.44 # Rockbox should be able to use it, yes. But you cannot access it from the PC 13.10.27 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.163) 13.10.50 # only san access it from my pc. when i have the card in an sd reader card hooked up to a usb adapter. only way to add/delete files. 13.11.19 # * pixelma doesn't understand what amiconn is trying to say, me thinks AdRock's answers show he knows that 13.11.57 # pixelma: I'm not entirely sure, but Load to RAM should be possible on e200 13.12.14 # the option is there 13.12.22 # be4 i was having problems w/my sansa, it was reading the regular microsd cards, up until i had to re-format the player, go into recovery mode and re-install the factory firmware 13.13.07 # pixelma: on c200 as well 13.13.42 # kugel: with an SVN build? If I read correctly that option is only defined when you have both dircache and database, and dircache is not defined in SVN. It's definitely not there on my c200 13.14.02 # then the manual is wrong 13.14.25 # however, I remember the option on the e200 13.14.29 # that wouldn't surprise me... :\ 13.15.14 # Dircache is not enabled in svn for both c200 and e200 13.15.37 # This is because it cannot handle multivolume and hotswap 13.15.53 # It was enabled before multivolume support 13.17.11 # kugel: unfortunately the manual doesn't update itself with changes in the code... 13.17.21 # I mean to rockbox 13.17.30 # So, any thoughts/ideas on how to get the micro sd slut on the e260 to work again? 13.17.37 # amiconn: yes, you are right. I think I was confused, since the "dircache on multivolume targets" patch enables load to ram as well 13.18.18 # pixelma: Yea, I noticed that several times too 13.21.17 Quit AdRock ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.22.07 # n1s: reminds me a bit of the idea of parsing the features.txt to UseOptions... 13.22.41 # ah, yes, had totally forgotten about that 13.22.57 Quit kugel ("Benutzer ist abwesend.") 13.23.02 # Would need a bit of script fu though... 13.23.47 # which I definitely not have 13.23.57 # http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/02/08/rockbox-international-devcon-2008/ 13.24.34 # Bagder: east cost? :p 13.24.42 # oh 13.24.59 # it wasn't underlined! ;-P 13.25.01 # pixelma: I'll try to look into it tomorrow if I feel motivated :) thanks for the reminder 13.26.00 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 13.27.14 # if USD is dirt cheap, maybe the US people can fly over here as their flight tickets will be cheaper... 13.27.37 # they're cheaper for us, yes 13.27.41 # not if our money is USD 13.27.43 # so we can buy them tickets 13.28.13 # US has one disadvantage for europeans - the new passports (or at least I don't have and needed one yet) 13.28.24 # ah yeah 13.28.29 # * petur would need a new passport too :/ 13.28.43 # but all places will have their pros and cons 13.29.13 # I think the major issue is to get someone local to "host" 13.30.18 # and a location with the right equipment 13.32.54 # didn't a hotel room suffice in Las Vegas for devcon west ? 13.33.14 # yeah, there ought to be hotels that can offer help for this 13.33.27 # I thought they all pitched in for a suite 13.33.34 # and then hung out in it's "living room2 13.33.46 # yes, but if we're a somewhat larger group a suite might get crowded 13.33.54 # two suites then 13.33.59 # adjoining ;) 13.34.10 # rock stars do that all the time - hire the top floor of the hotel out ;) 13.34.26 # * petur would be allowed to host it at work... 13.36.13 # maybe we should just gather such offers in a devcon2008 wiki page 13.36.21 # good idea 13.36.23 # Bagder: I wouldn't mind visiting New York again. We could ask some of the guys from the RockboxNYC meeting. 13.36.39 # we only need to wait another couple of hours for them to wake up 13.36.41 # :) 13.37.03 # I live close to NYC, fwiw, and would prefer a meet there. 13.37.26 # hcs: could you *organise* one though ? 13.37.34 # no, thus "fwiw" 13.38.22 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-242-162.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.38.53 # I live close too, just a 6-7 hours flight ;-) 13.38.53 # Let's ask Davice-NYC and Lambda 13.38.58 # Davide 13.39.16 # * Bagder guesses, can't remember the actual time 13.39.35 # Bagder: It was 6 hours from NYC to Amsterdam 13.39.43 # how to prices for tickets compare EU/US? are the tickets in the EU cheaper? 13.39.58 # oh, I'd like to join your meeting very much 13.40.09 # last time google payed my ticket. Maybe we should ask them again ;) 13.40.18 # kugel: I expect it to be open for everyone who wants to join 13.40.31 # Not only for devs? 13.40.35 # we're all devs 13.40.44 # and I know a very nice vietnamese restaurant in Chinatown where we can eat :) 13.41.01 # markun: you think we can have the meet there? :-) 13.41.15 # meet and meat 13.41.20 # Bagder: I meant for devs with svn commit access of course :) 13.41.49 # kugel: I truly meant everyone 13.41.55 # cool 13.42.28 # Though, I doubt I'll have time until end of april 13.42.31 # Bagder: only if you don't mind having a lot of chinese people around you having dinner :) 13.42.38 # hehe 13.43.06 # and getting soy sauce in your keyboard 13.43.59 # I also found a much more quiet restaurant in chinatown with a lot of white tourists, but the food was terrible. 13.44.18 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet02.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.44.29 # * GodEater doesn't need to go all the way to NYC to see tourists and bad food 13.44.34 # i'd love to visit new york again, it's been a while 13.44.39 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 13.44.44 # me too - I've not been since I was 17! 13.44.46 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cba165d1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f7124f84049a8ff1) 13.45.06 # heck, the WTC was still there last time I went 13.45.07 # * petur checked flight prices... 735 euro (Brussels-NY) :( 13.45.20 # petur: you flying first class? :) 13.46.11 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 13.46.14 # when are we looking at doing this ? 13.46.17 # London-NY should be reasonable.... 13.46.25 # March / April / May / Later ? 13.46.35 Join markus_ [0] (n=markus@217-162-226-15.dclient.hispeed.ch) 13.46.56 # Time to start that wiki.. 13.47.04 Quit markus_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.47.16 # flights are usually cheaper the further in advance that you book them 13.47.22 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2008 13.47.44 # I suggest(ed) late June 13.47.53 # well, it's gonna be too expensive for me 13.47.54 # * GodEater goes on a flight hunt 13.48.06 Join crope`` [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-184-135.psoas.suomi.net) 13.48.22 # * petur found flights for 492 euro... bit better ;) 13.48.38 # with enough people we can hire our own jet ;) 13.49.06 # yay, just one lap around the world to fill it up! 13.49.11 # markun: would that include "pick up" service from different home airports 13.49.19 # pixelma: of course :) 13.49.35 Quit crope` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.50.18 # the mighty rockbox fund comes to use again ;-P 13.50.59 # * petur is down to 452 euro :D 13.51.26 # Can't we just do the meet in berlin? at least two devs and me live there :) 13.51.33 # i can't find anything cheaper than about 1k euro... 13.51.44 # that's one way 13.51.46 # I wouldn't mind having it in germany if it's cheaper to buy tickets from the USA for example 13.51.59 # Berlin would be fine 13.52.11 # and berlin is a great city 13.52.12 # * pixelma wouldn't mind Berlin too ;) 13.52.26 # we'll need some input from the US guys 13.52.30 # my sister lives there, but I don't think she would like us to have the meeting in her house ;) 13.52.50 # there are rumors about aussie guys too, but those are probably just rumors ;-) 13.52.50 # only 66 euro :) 13.53.18 # * Bagder is off for now 13.54.34 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A3CD7.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.54.34 # 680 euro 13.55.10 # It would be best to look at who wants to come and optimize towards lower transport costs... 13.55.20 # I can't find anything below 600€ from berlin to nyc 13.58.19 # random google hit while searching for a ticket: http://berlin-newyork.hkw.de/index_en.html 13.59.42 # I get some javascript error while searching with united.com from NYC to BER 14.00.08 # well, i'm not blowing this amount of money for a weekend involving anything but being carried around on a throne, i'll tell you that :) 14.00.35 # what about some beer? ;) 14.00.39 # * preglow finds out exactly how insane norwegian airplane ticket prices are 14.00.49 # petur: ohh, beer pickings are nice in the us indeed... but not enough time to be hung over :P 14.01.34 # There's always enough time to be hungover 14.01.41 # I had the impression the majority of developers are european 14.01.42 # i tried the whole "seriously hung over while traveling by plane" thing last summer, not the most fun i've ever had 14.01.54 # Zagor: i think they are, but plenty of us people around here now too 14.02.07 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.03.17 # Are flights obviously cheaper in one direction compared to the other? 14.03.41 # I would expect most of us going both ways ;) 14.03.41 # i.e. bought in the US vs bought in Europe? 14.03.51 # haha 14.03.59 # The devcon that never ended 14.04.06 # or ended in jail 14.04.24 # nocks about 140 eur off the price here 14.04.28 # knocks too 14.04.49 # Seems like about £229 is the cheapest London -> NY I can see. That's only valid until the end of April 14.05.11 # * amiconn wonders whether the quoted prices so far are one direction or both 14.05.30 # Return, I hope. And including taxes 14.05.32 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d8e2b53e6a93312a) 14.05.41 # mine were return, all in 14.05.55 # call 14.06.06 # * pondlif1 votes for DevConBelgium 14.06.09 # mine are one-way, depressingly 14.06.34 # so no, us devcon would probably be way out of my economic league 14.07.05 # * amiconn can only find return flights Berlin-NYC for ~820EUR 14.07.32 # amiconn: Yikes! To which airport in NYC? 14.07.33 # Guys, the best argument for not doing the meet in the US is for me, that the EUs wouldn't have to submit all the very personal data to the US 14.08.16 # not having to bother with the passport business would be sweet too, but not a showstopper 14.08.33 # Neward and JFK 14.08.37 # * pondlif1 just wants to avoid rubber gloves 14.08.45 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 14.08.49 # amiconn: Try LuGuardia. 14.08.50 # i hear they have a delicate touch :) 14.08.51 # They don't make a significant difference 14.08.58 # My flight offer just says NYC - that's not an airport is it? 14.09.06 # nyc has several 14.09.08 # From: Heathrow (LHR) 14.09.08 # To: New York, USA (NYC) 14.09.11 # big city... 14.09.12 # pondlif1: We have three major airports. 14.09.12 # Don't you agree with me? 14.09.27 # JFK, LaGuardia, and Newark-Liberty. 14.09.28 Nick pondlif1 is now known as pondlife (n=Steve@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 14.09.29 # cheapest i found had me landing in jfk 14.09.42 # preglow: How much? 14.10.00 # kugel: what "very personal data" would that be? 14.10.35 # LinusN: This, perhaps: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/06/AR2008020604763.html?hpid=topnews 14.10.59 # LinusN: It includes, but is not limited to i.e. finger prints 14.11.42 # Traveling to the US means actually giving up privacy 14.12.02 # yup, seems they can copy all of your pc/memstick/dap for examining 14.12.28 # I know I'd be reluctant to come here if I wasn't a citizen... 14.12.45 # interesting indeed 14.13.03 # Hmm, don't think I'll be adding to a US Tower Of Rockbox... 14.13.36 # for me travelling to NYC would be flight cost + passport cost (though how much that really is depends on whether I have use for it at a later time) 14.13.54 # pixelma: do you know how soon they expire? 14.13.58 # passport cost? Do they need the biometrics now? 14.14.10 # pixelma/pondlife: indeed 14.14.15 # Would be the first time ever I'd need a passport 14.14.27 # pondlife: I think so, at least I know I'd need a new one 14.14.39 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@barry-workstation.ucd.ie) 14.14.41 # last time I was in the US I swore it was the last time :/ 14.14.43 # preglow: no idea 14.14.53 # * LambdaCalculus37 is reminded of now needing a passport to even just travel to Canada 14.15.01 # And I'm undecided whether I should do that at all, because of all the biometrics and data collection stuff 14.15.33 # preglow: they exporte in about 75 years 14.15.36 # Back on-topic. the H300 remote's lack of a NAVI button is a pain when you hit a yes/no question 14.15.43 # expire* 14.15.48 # Is there an alternative button? 14.16.21 # It should say "NAVI/PLAY = Yes, Any Other = No"... 14.16.36 # pondlife: try to operate the virtual keyboard on an H10.... 14.16.42 # my, they really are going a bit crazy over there, aren't they 14.16.53 # Just a bit 14.17.27 # http://ec.europa.eu/external_relations/us/intro/pnrmem03_53.htm 14.19.23 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 14.20.25 # * petur thinks he will not be admitted to the US anyway because he is a member of the 'fuck Bush' group on last.fm 14.20.38 # the data contains such sensible stuff like finger prints, religion, creditcard number 14.21.04 # petur: Now you're being paranoid 14.21.26 # Hmm, religion?? 14.21.48 # * preglow tries to remember if he has a criminal record 14.22.07 # * pondlife fills in "Religion: n/a" 14.22.20 # Heathen! 14.22.25 # suspicious ;) 14.22.29 # So, do I get in?? 14.23.02 # of course. If you are islamic you are suspicious 14.23.04 # pondlife: sure, as long as two party officials follow you everywhere you go :) 14.23.17 # oh wait, that was another country 14.23.32 # Do they still ask "Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?" 14.23.44 # That always made me chuckle, quite quaint. 14.23.46 # * LambdaCalculus37 would like to see the faces of TSA officials when he puts "SubGenius" as his religion :) 14.23.52 # Jedi? 14.23.54 # I think they ask for party memberships yes, not sure though 14.24.09 # Birthday 14.24.46 # some of my friends have tried joking with the US customs about these things, and it isn't a good idea 14.25.00 # unless you have lots of time to kill 14.25.06 # Indeed, and this channel is logged 14.25.09 # pondlife: they still ask if you're a member of an organization that has sworn to destroy the US 14.25.16 # (in so many words) 14.25.24 # amiconn: If you fear your DAP spying on you with data runtime collection, you shouldn't even think about traveling to the usa 14.25.24 # hcs: We are NOT the Conspiracy. :) 14.25.49 # so they expect someone to answer with "yes"? 14.25.50 # "Does your DAP have Gather Runtime Data enabled?" 14.25.56 Join ackbahr [0] (n=jean@d83-181-109-171.cust.tele2.ch) 14.25.58 # they asked that on the forms for a US citizen applying for a passport... 14.26.20 # pixelma: there are people who do, I think 14.26.48 # pixelma: I've always assumed it is rather for when they find out you are, you are already guilty of a crime (lying to customs officials) 14.27.27 # what if I've sworn to destroy the US, but I'm not a member of an organization with that goal? 14.27.42 # Depends on how organised you are? 14.27.44 # weirdt hings 14.28.02 # hcs: that's the line of joking that had my friends spending many hours in very boring rooms 14.28.14 # Sound like my work 14.28.25 # yeah, that's why I avoid it in govt saturated places 14.28.59 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 14.29.07 # Let's put it this way: At least for DevCon 2009, most of this BS with the government should be over with. 14.29.22 # * preglow doesn't get his hopes up 14.31.13 # LambdaCalculus37: I wouldn't be so sure. 14.31.35 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 14.32.06 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 14.32.17 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 14.32.35 # http://hcs64.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2816 14.33.05 # Zagor: We just have to see. 14.33.35 Join shotofadds [0] (n=1485000d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8ecce5a7aa0ababb) 14.34.48 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 14.34.51 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 14.35.30 Quit shotofadds (Client Quit) 14.35.55 Join shotofadds [0] (n=1485000d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-296318bf9f266179) 14.36.10 # what about London? Aren't there a few devs from in or around London around here too? 14.36.45 # There are 14.37.01 # But London isn't cheap once you get there 14.37.11 Quit shotofadds (Client Quit) 14.37.56 Join shotofadds [0] (n=1485000d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7664916178d730a7) 14.37.57 # You'd be better off in Amsterdam at that rate 14.38.16 # Neither is New York City. But it's probably cheaper than London is. 14.38.25 Quit shotofadds (Client Quit) 14.38.30 # * LambdaCalculus37 would fly to Amsterdam in a heartbeat if he could 14.38.30 # as far as I know GBP is quite low compared to the Euro (atm) 14.38.34 # Haha, let's do it in Tokyo! 14.38.38 # finding a cheap place to have the conference is probably more important than the geographical location 14.39.08 # Zagor: What if, say, we can find a hotel that also offers a confrence area for us to sit in? 14.39.17 # Cheap place, cheap flights, good beer, friendly police 14.39.43 # LambdaCalculus37: they tend to be rather expensive though. especially if we want it for 2+ days 14.39.49 # pondlife: NYC has all but one: friendly police. 14.39.50 # s/if/since 14.40.13 # LambdaCalculus37: And cheap flights... 14.40.32 # LambdaCalculus37: well, that'd be a bit more expensive 14.40.45 # Friendly police for after good beer, friendly customs dudes for before 14.40.49 # I still vote for berlin, depending on where you are it's between moderate and very cheap prizes 14.45.08 Quit cool_walking_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.54.44 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A3CD7.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.00.52 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982165ed@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-77400f5adb4b9f57) 15.00.54 Part pixelma 15.06.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.06.54 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.09.37 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@161.210.6.204) 15.10.31 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 15.11.00 # * soap still thinks the investment in a travel agent will pay for itself. 15.12.01 # "I want to hold a affordable conference for N people arriving from X, Y, and Z. What would be the most economical location taking into account average air-fare and lodging?" 15.12.16 # They do that sort of thing for a living. 15.12.49 # soap: yeah, but how many do that (well) internationally? 15.13.04 # I guessing quite a few, honestly. 15.13.49 # a tricky thing is we don't really know who's coming until after we decice on location... 15.15.20 # The trick would be to find one who will provide said service as a service, for a fee, not commission. Somebody amongst all the potential attendees is bound to be only one or two degrees separated from an agent who will crunch the numbers for a fee. 15.17.11 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-339250.home.otenet.gr) 15.20.15 # I'll look up some travel agents in New York and get some rates. 15.20.49 # a friend of a friend of mine works in a Flight Centre round the corner, and could probably at least help with finding cheap flights 15.21.00 # What we need is an average number of people who are going to show, so we can also look at lodging. 15.21.20 # the mother of a friend of a friend of a cousin of my sisters bff.. etc. 15.21.42 # the tricky thing for me is going to be "her in doors". If I announce I'm off to NYC for a weekend, she's going to want to come too... 15.21.56 # * petur checks LinkedIn 15.23.48 # isn't that like Facebook "for professionals" ? 15.23.48 # GodEater: My girlfriend may want to pop in as well if she's up for it. 15.24.13 # I suspect if she's going to NYC, my young lady will be more interested in shopping than anything else =/ 15.24.25 # probably at Tiffany's 15.24.27 # =( 15.24.41 # asif you'd have that much money 15.24.46 # * GodEater examines the large hold in his wallet 15.24.47 # GodEater: Or Lord & Taylor's, or any of our overly expensive shops... 15.24.55 # LambdaCalculus37: no - she wants a ring 15.25.24 # * GodEater curses "Sweet home Alabama" for putting ideas in her head 15.25.47 # if I go I'll be alone - our baby will be about 2 weeks by that time... 15.25.57 # ouch 15.26.08 # you'd want to leave that soon after he/she is born ? 15.26.19 # ;) 15.26.28 # he's just getting a pack of cigarettes 15.26.32 # petur: You like sleep? 15.26.48 # Is that June or May? 15.26.56 # in the name of human decency, then, it must be held within land-transport distance from petur's house. 2 week old babies on airplanes should be a crime. ;) 15.26.57 # * XavierGr crosses fingers! :\ 15.26.59 # beginning of june 15.27.07 # * GodEater wonders about having to submit credit card numbers 15.27.16 # hasn't happened to me recently on trips to the US 15.27.22 # and I was only there in November 15.27.22 # * XavierGr hits the flash button! 15.27.27 # I doubt that's required 15.27.33 # GodEater: Where in the U.S.? 15.27.38 # Card numbers are transient 15.27.47 # LambdaCalculus37: er - nowhere of note 15.27.52 # near Buffalo :) 15.28.03 # I did have to do the fingerprint / photo thing 15.28.06 # but I don't really care 15.28.15 # I've done it before going to Miami 15.28.21 # The fingerprints and photos are the least of it. 15.28.28 # I'd rather put up with it than not travel anywhere 15.28.34 # Slasheri: are you there? 15.28.38 # I read somewhere about the credit card number 15.28.53 # kugel: well I have personal experience, and I can tell you that that's rubbish 15.29.01 # but I'm not entirly sure on that one 15.29.09 # A card number doesn't mean much 15.29.26 # LambdaCalculus37: what do you mean that "that's the least of it" ? 15.29.37 # I can only imagine it being useful if you were on some kind of bail 15.29.42 # But that doesn't change anything. It's still a bunch of data, which is very personal, and I can't control their way through the US 15.29.44 # the only objection I have about travelling to the US is about how unfriendly the immigration people are 15.29.51 # once you're through that though it's fun^2 15.29.54 # GodEater: That's why. 15.30.11 # That's why what ? 15.30.17 # you still haven't said anything 15.30.20 # The fingerprints and photo are child's play compared to the immigration people's attitudes. 15.30.26 # pfagh 15.30.29 # it takes 15 minutes 15.30.33 # big f'in deal 15.30.44 # just don't say anything contraversial 15.31.13 # I've also never been asked my religion 15.31.19 # or political affiliations 15.31.20 # * pondlife pictures LambdaCalculus37 headed through immigration dressed like Castro in a bomb belt 15.31.25 # I'm pretty sure about religion 15.31.36 # kugel: I've been to the US a lot - it's never come up 15.31.42 # I only recall the communist party question 15.31.54 # that's not there anymore 15.31.56 # in 1955? 15.31.57 # But that was years ago, I don't think they asked me last time 15.32.06 # Nah, about 1990 15.32.26 # After the fall of the Berlin wall though ;) 15.32.36 # yeah I was there in '91, I vaguely recall it from back then 15.32.41 # but not since when I've been back 15.33.46 Quit TMM (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.34.24 # in any case 15.34.35 # I'm not refusing to go to a DevCon US side just because of paranoia 15.34.44 # I'll go wherever :) 15.34.45 # Berlin would be ok, but I've already been there. Would prefer a new place to look round. 15.34.59 # Nova Scotia 15.35.02 # pondlife: you're not supposed to be outside the room ;) 15.35.04 # Alaska! 15.35.11 # Slasheri: Flashing the svn bootloader with the enable_flashing patch works!! :) 15.35.20 # * petur didn's see much of Sweden/Stockholm last time ;) 15.35.29 # now I have to compile the iriver_flash.rock and see what happens 15.35.30 # I've not been to Berlin, so I'm not particularly fussed 15.35.42 # * LambdaCalculus37 thinks of other East Coast cities in the U.S. 15.35.44 # but as a general rule, US->EU flights are more pricey than the other way round 15.35.47 # I can add a couple of days on for holiday 15.35.58 # LambdaCalculus37: Miami :) 15.36.07 # DevConBeach! 15.36.15 Join japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235) 15.36.16 Join obo [0] (n=522e52e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81899244506a170d) 15.36.18 # GodEater: You need to have a car to even get around Miami! 15.36.28 # not if you stay around SouthBeach 15.36.29 # Unless you like walking... :P 15.36.42 # GodEater: I just read this one: http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj/privacy/docs/adequacy/apis-communication/apis_de.pdf. 15.36.44 # Newfoundrain :) 15.37.06 # LambdaCalculus37: I liked Miami - didn't find I needed a car there 15.37.10 # It reads, that 34 data elements can be collected, but actually in most cases only 10-15 are collected 15.37.12 # Charlotte, or one of the other "lesser-known" international cities is likely cheaper, if I had to guess. 15.37.35 # It's an official paper 15.37.55 # kugel: whatever - if you think you've got something to hide, or simply don't like the idea of the data collection - don't go. 15.37.56 # GodEater: What part of Miami were you in? I lived there on and off and found that to get to certain parts of the city and couty, you NEED a car. 15.38.07 # South Beach as a I say 15.38.22 # * GodEater tries to remember the name of the road one back from the beach 15.38.38 # began with a C 15.38.54 # Collins Avenue. 15.39.13 # * LambdaCalculus37 has been in South Beach plenty of times 15.39.14 # that's the one :) 15.39.18 # I loved it there 15.39.25 # Mrs. Godeater and I would love to retire there 15.39.39 # Saaaaay..... *light bulb!* 15.39.52 # Who would mind Miami? 15.40.11 # * GodEater wants to stay at the Delano next time he goes 15.40.27 # (Just a thought ;) ) 15.41.20 # mind you, it'd be a) murderously hot in late June, and b) right in the middle of hurricane season, and c) full of tourist / holiday maker types 15.41.38 # so probably not the best time to go 15.42.10 # Late June is no good for me anyway. Wouldn't flights be cheaper if we can get it earlier (May, perhaps)? 15.42.58 # Bagder said late June, so I'm just quoting him 15.43.11 # earlier would be cheaper I'd think 15.43.17 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 15.43.17 # bah.... /me reads backscroll 15.43.20 # OK, but it might be less hurricane-y earlier too 15.43.30 # hurricane season is like 9 months long :) 15.43.34 # Hence making Miami more suitable 15.43.59 # I think December, Jan and Feb are the only months not in "Hurricane Season" 15.44.18 # GodEater: Hurricane season there is June to November. 15.44.26 # There were Dec and Jan hurricanes last year IIRC 15.44.27 # ah - I'm slightly off then 15.44.31 # Most unusual though 15.44.39 # wouldn't worry me anyway 15.44.45 # just huddle indoors and ride it out :) 15.44.59 # if you were in a hotel you'd be fine 15.45.04 # Me neither, I have that English-love-of-weather thing. It'll get me killed one day. 15.45.08 # hehe me too 15.45.25 # "oooh look, a tornado" *goes for a closer look* 15.45.42 # "is this a piece of fence post protuding from my stomach?" 15.46.09 # Slasheri: ping 15.47.31 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955F004.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.48.24 # I even went in the "Hurricane Simulator" at Wonderworks on International Drive in Orlando 15.48.27 # it was fab :) 15.48.53 # Rockbox: Now with more hurricane cleaning action. :) 15.49.03 # I can find flights to NYC for £229 pondlife 15.49.13 # Yep 15.49.19 # not too bad 15.49.19 # GodEater: Which airport do they land in? 15.49.20 # KLM? 15.49.38 # LambdaCalculus37: uno momento 15.50.05 # * GodEater wonders why all these travel agent sites seem to be so over-engineered 15.50.19 # EWR ? 15.50.37 # this is BA pondlife 15.50.41 # ah, Newark, glorious 15.50.46 # that's Newarjk then 15.50.54 # Newark is an anagram 15.50.56 # the "armpit of america" as it was once descrived to be 15.50.59 # XavierGr \o 15.51.04 # I just came home 15.51.13 # Hi, welcome back :) 15.51.16 # :) 15.51.19 # GodEater: New Jersey IS the "armpit of America". :) A very smelly one. 15.51.25 # Slasheri: The svn bootloader with the flash_enable patch works 15.51.29 # But I can fetch people from Newark. 15.51.37 # XavierGr: oh, that sounds great :) 15.51.42 # I now just need to run the iriver_flash.rock but... 15.51.58 # hmm, but? 15.51.59 # Slasheri: where is the bootloader.iriver file that the wiki says (IriverFlashing) 15.52.41 # just a moment 15.52.45 # LambdaCalculus37: Newark is where I flew into last time 15.52.55 # I've seen much worse parts of the world in London, trust me 15.52.56 # :) 15.53.03 # haha 15.53.11 Part peppo ("part") 15.53.29 # XavierGr: it's the compiled rockbox.iriver in the same directory you have the bootloader.bin 15.53.31 # Back in 1990 I flew through JFK, that was not a nice airport 15.53.35 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 15.53.59 # pondlife: JFK has been fixed up since then. 15.54.12 # XavierGr: but you got the flash version of bootloader already running? then, it should be safe to skip that 15.54.24 # and proceed directly to flashing rombox.iriver 15.54.52 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-afd046fbad025eaa) 15.54.57 # Slasheri: I did this: Checked up the newest svn version patched it with the flash_enable patch 15.55.00 # after that you can flash rockbox.iriver too if it works 15.55.16 # Slasheri: But of course I still need to flash it with iriver_flash.rock 15.55.26 # XavierGr: sounds great 15.55.31 # indeed, but don't do that yet 15.55.48 # Slasheri: The problem is that I can't find bootloader.iriver (is it build on normal builds or bootloader builds?) 15.55.51 # test the flash plugin first with rombox.iriver, that shouldn't be able to destroy anything but the OF 15.56.09 # also if I try to run iriver_flash with the rockbox.iriver then it will exit saying incompatible bootloader 15.56.23 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 15.56.26 # XavierGr: there is no bootloader.iriver. rockbox.iriver is built during bootloader build and you need to rename that to bootloader.iriver 15.56.29 # Slasheri: there is no rombox.iriver build for my H115 :\ 15.56.43 # Slasheri: ah okay 15.56.53 # XavierGr: you need to disable that check, or take the checksum of the bootloader 15.57.14 # XavierGr: there will be if you enabled all the flash things 15.57.20 # or should be.. 15.58.08 # XavierGr: but don't try the bootloader.iriver flashing yet, just the rombox.iriver (or rockbox.iriver) 15.58.14 # with those bootloader checks disabled 15.58.37 # How does the disk code parse the partition table on an ipod G5.5 correctly ? i.e. how does it find the correct offsets in a partition table that assumes 2048 byte sectors ? 15.58.53 # Slasheri: my patch only disabled the crc check is there another check in this? 16.00.41 # XavierGr: rombox.iriver should be already on your player if you unzipped the generated install zip 16.01.11 # well that's the problem it isn't there 16.01.22 # probably it didn't get built 16.01.31 # ah, indeed 16.01.51 # where is the code that enables it, it seems I missed that 16.01.55 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 16.02.09 # you need to patch tools/configure 16.02.33 # there is in h120 section: flash="$pwd/rombox.iriver" 16.02.38 # put that to the h100 section too 16.03.21 # yeah just saw that thanks 16.03.35 # XavierGr: and for the flashing plugins, remove those detect_valid_bootloader -calls 16.04.29 # then you should be able to go for it 16.04.44 # ok will try in a moment 16.05.18 Quit MethoS- (Network is unreachable) 16.06.03 # heh the patch disabled only one call for it 16.06.07 # :) 16.07.33 Part pondlife 16.09.16 # Slasheri: so you think that if flashing rombox.iriver succeeds it will be safe to try rockbox.iriver? 16.09.54 # yep, actually it's safe to try both of them. but a little better in that order 16.10.37 # flashing either of those isn't fatal if it fails 16.11.53 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 16.12.13 # and after that you could flashing the bootloader.iriver too (just make sure to rename the correct rockbox.iriver, from the bootloader folder!) 16.12.20 # +try 16.14.29 # Slasheri: Question: Ok rombox.iriver flashes the firmware to rom, rockbox.iriver flashes the firmware to flash what's the bootloader.iriver for? 16.15.27 # XavierGr: rombox.iriver flashes ROM image of the firmware to flash (runs from ROM). rockbox.iriver flashes RAM image of the rockbox to ROM (runs from RAM). And bootloader.iriver is the bootloader 16.16.29 # Slasheri: ah so flashing rombox.iriver or rockbox.iriver won't enable the your flash bootloader. 16.16.31 Quit desowin () 16.16.41 # XavierGr: no 16.17.03 # XavierGr: but correct bootloader (as you have it) detects those images and loads rockbox from flash 16.17.09 # -> fast boot time 16.17.54 # damn it I didn't reconfigure (have to do it one more time) 16.18.18 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 16.18.38 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.24.16 # * XavierGr twitches his fingers... 16.25.06 # bah now I got a checksum mismatch, obviously I need to remove more code from the plugin 16.26.26 # Slasheri: should I comment "Verify the checksum"? 16.27.33 # XavierGr: for rockbox/rombox, no 16.27.38 # let that be there 16.27.49 # the .iriver file contains a very simple checksum that can be verified 16.28.35 # Slasheri: well I tried to open rombox.iriver with iriver_flash.rock and it said checksum mismatch 16.28.54 Quit hannesd (Network is unreachable) 16.29.02 # gevaerts: The code just guesses. It first assumes 512-byte logical sector size. If it can't mount a partition that way, it retries assuming 1024-byte logical sectors, and finally 2048-byte logical sectors 16.29.14 # XavierGr: hmm, then there is something wrong. What about the rockbox.iriver file? 16.29.22 # let me try that too 16.29.59 # same :( 16.30.30 # hmm, weird 16.30.42 # but don't uncomment that 16.30.52 # *comment i meant 16.30.57 # okay 16.31.25 # could you dcc the rockbox.iriver file to me? 16.31.41 # sure 16.31.47 # great 16.31.49 # i will check it 16.31.58 # and try it on my player 16.32.38 # Slasheri: iriver_flash uses the audio buffer to flash?? 16.32.50 # amiconn: I think yes 16.33.04 # Well, rockbox_flash on archos uses the plugin buffer, and reads & flashes in chunks 16.33.10 # sum += audiobuf[i]; 16.33.57 Nick qwedsa_ is now known as qwedsa (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 16.34.14 # amiconn: maybe the best way for now is asking the fat driver about it, with some sane defaukt (like 512) if the fat driver doesn't give a meaningful answer 16.34.55 # The fat driver can't know the size until a partition is mounted 16.35.03 Part LinusN 16.35.30 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 16.35.37 # amiconn: obviously. I was thinking more about how the usb driver should find out. 16.35.42 # amiconn: yep, audio buffer is used 16.35.59 # Slasheri: maybe it has to do with commented out detect_valid_bootloader? 16.35.59 # amiconn: we want to read the file in once, before starting to flash 16.36.11 # XavierGr: i will investigate, just a moment 16.36.26 # gevaerts: Ah. Check firmware/common/disk.c: disk_mount() for the details 16.36.27 Topic "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | If you are planning on it, write your name down to help with planning! http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevCon2008" by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.36.34 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 16.36.58 # Slasheri: Have a look at what rockbox_flash does. It also checks the whole file before starting to flash 16.37.08 # amiconn: we check that also 16.37.21 # But it doesn't need to stop playback in order to do so, as it only uses the plugin buffer 16.37.27 # and why take any risks if we have the audio buffer 16.37.47 # well, we *definately* want to stop playback before flashing anything.. 16.38.02 # It reads & flashes in 4KB chunks iirc, while the whole image to flash may be up to 228KB (232KB on Player) 16.38.09 # and make sure no other thread gets cpu time while flashing is in progress 16.38.46 # (and in firmware_flash, it even flashes the whole 256KB flash chip that way) 16.38.58 # that sounds extremely risky 16.39.10 # any disk failure could brick the player, or software malfunction 16.39.48 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 16.40.15 Join asdrubal [0] (n=abc@cpe-76-190-216-97.neo.res.rr.com) 16.40.19 # No bricking happened so far that could be attributed to the way of operation 16.40.21 # I just ordered a c240 16.40.26 # but I realized that V2 isn't supported? 16.40.33 # is that still the case, and should I cancel my order? 16.40.44 # I know about one single brick, but this was due to the flash chip itself failing 16.40.47 # I ordered from newegg 16.40.51 # well, but anyway i don't want to take that kind of unnecessary risks 16.41.37 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 16.42.39 # I COuld someone tell me if: "Part Number SDMX7-1024-A18" is version 1 or 2? 16.42.41 # that just sounds like a flawed design for a flashing plugin if it utilises filesystem, rockbox kernel etc. during critical parts of operation 16.43.19 # while iriver_flash touches the bootloader, no information is written to disk during that time 16.43.28 # disk=display 16.44.15 # Slasheri: so any ideas why the checksum fails? Should I try bootloader.iriver too? 16.44.24 # XavierGr: i am still checking 16.44.30 # no, you shouldn't 16.44.45 # ok, I won't 16.46.44 # Help please 16.46.56 # Are All new Sansa C2xx version 2 ? 16.47.24 # Slasheri: Well, it checks the whole file before it starts flashing. That design is from before plugins got access to the main buffer btw, but in fact I don't think it's that big a risk 16.47.45 # asdrubal: Not EVERY single one. You may get a very lucky break and get a v1. But that's a very rare chance now. 16.47.52 # asdrubal: I don't think anyone knows yet which Part numbers are v1 or v2 16.48.04 # All older PC mainboard flash tools which run in dos mode from floppy load & flash in chunks - from a floppy disk, which is much less reliable than a hard disk 16.48.15 # asdrubal: Are you buying online or in a store? 16.48.16 # WTF... So all new Sansas won't work? 16.48.17 # amiconn: for a software codec device that would be a huge risk, if something corrupts the memory in background 16.48.20 # online Lambda 16.48.22 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 16.48.23 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@203-206-32-200.dyn.iinet.net.au) 16.48.29 # LambdaCalculus37, SHould I go to bestbuy and get one? 16.48.32 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 16.48.40 # amiconn: and it would be very unnecessary to play audio during flashing anyway 16.48.54 # CRAP... So basicly rockbox doesn't support any sansa anymore 16.48.56 # that sucks 16.49.00 # I didn't say it's necessary.... it's just... neat :) 16.49.00 # asdrubal: Do you have a Radio Shack near you instead? They tend to have v1's left over. 16.49.08 # LambdaCalculus37, yeah 16.49.22 # If the package says anything about Audible support, put it back on the shelf. 16.49.25 # Memory corruption can happen on any system 16.49.27 # LambdaCalculus37, I gotta cancel my damn order first :( I hope they can do it 16.49.42 # amiconn: it hardly can happen if we block all other threads 16.49.46 # asdrubal: You can cancel it as long as it's not shipped. 16.50.06 # LambdaCalculus37, will rockbox ever support these v2 monsters? 16.50.12 # But if you go to a store and buy one, look to see if the package mentions Audible support. That's a sure sign it's a v2. 16.50.21 # LambdaCalculus37, K, thanks 16.50.33 # asdrubal: We have no idea when anything will ever be supported. 16.50.43 # We're not planners, we just "do". 16.50.48 # Slasheri: I meant it could theoretically happen on hwcodec as well. But so far it didn't.... 16.51.08 # amiconn: yep, indeed 16.51.33 # amiconn: but i understand the reason why it was implemented that way if we couldn't access audio buffer at that point 16.51.52 # LambdaCalculus37, do you know if the V1s support SDHC cards? 16.51.55 # Well, maybe we should unify the flashing plugins somewhat 16.52.28 # They could use the audio buffer. I'd want some kind of progress display though 16.52.31 # asdrubal: They do, but the Sansa firmware itself doesn't. 16.52.36 # amiconn: maybe, but i also like the idea about separate, well tested plugins for each target 16.52.58 # LambdaCalculus37, rockbox firmware supports the 8GB microsds? 16.53.03 # sweet 16.53.04 # in iriver plugin, there is a progress display during non-critical parts 16.53.27 # asdrubal: In theory, we can support up to 32GB microSDHC cards... when they come out, of course. 16.53.37 # LambdaCalculus37, awesome. you guys rock 16.53.54 # XavierGr: i got the checksum error too 16.54.09 Join major_works [0] (n=chatzill@63.77.85.254) 16.54.12 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 16.54.32 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A3CD7.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.55.06 # XavierGr: still investigating, maybe the checksum function is little different for h100 16.55.58 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 16.56.09 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 16.58.11 Join tvelocity_ [0] (n=tony@athedsl-03600.home.otenet.gr) 17.00.05 # * petur spots http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/08/review_baylis_eco_media_player_ep_mx71/ - must be the perfect solution for recording on festivals :) 17.00.36 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 17.01.15 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.02.16 # XavierGr: ah, found it. the model number makes checksum different 17.02.35 # it is easy to fix.. just a moment 17.03.46 # GodEater: I uploaded a new patch that should now do 2048-byte sector detection properly 17.03.46 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.03.57 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 17.04.06 # XavierGr: good thing that you found it. after /* Verify the checksum */ change the sum = 0 to sum = MODEL_NUMBER; 17.04.11 # then try again 17.06.10 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.06.13 # petur: An M5L would also be a very good solution... 17.06.21 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 17.06.28 # XavierGr: did you got the message? 17.06.36 # Maybe our runtime tests should include recording tests as well... 17.06.46 Quit Soul-Burn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.06.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.07.04 # * petur runs off for some beer 17.07.14 Quit petur ("connection reset by beer") 17.07.37 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.07.48 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 17.08.12 # XavierGr: did you got the message? 17.08.25 # damn ISP I've been disconnecting repeteadly for some hours now. Hooray for the logbot 17.08.31 # Slasheri: yes thanks to logbot 17.08.35 # good :) 17.09.05 # Shit! Verify failed! :( 17.09.23 # hmm 17.09.32 Join Soul-Burn [0] (n=b@bzq-79-183-151-237.red.bezeqint.net) 17.09.33 # but at least it moved from the checksum mismatch 17.09.45 # oh, so it did the flashing 17.09.48 # should I disable auto shut down? 17.09.58 # you flashed rombox.iriver? 17.10.02 # well it started flashing and then said verify failed 17.10.03 # yes 17.10.12 # ok, that's not fatal but still don't boot yet 17.10.16 # i will investigate 17.10.26 Quit desowin () 17.10.44 # ok thanks 17.10.47 # XavierGr: the flashing went ok, there was other sum = 0 17.10.52 # you may boot and try 17.10.56 # so now I don't have the OF right? 17.11.00 # nope .) 17.11.03 # good luck :) 17.11.28 # ah yes there are quite some 17.11.33 # should I change them? 17.11.41 # so sum = MODEL_NUMBER; 17.11.48 # s/so/to 17.11.50 # yep, all three of them 17.12.00 Join xushi [0] (n=xushi@unaffiliated/xushi) 17.12.04 # yeah silly me I should have checked for that too 17.12.08 # but try booting now if it works 17.12.12 # :) 17.12.54 # ok lets see... 17.13.16 # it started rockbox :) 17.13.26 # nice, from flash? :) 17.13.37 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-10-59.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.13.55 # I am not sure, without bootloader.iriver it will autoload from flash now that I flashed rombox.iriver? 17.14.30 # should I proceed with rockbox.iriver and then bootloader.iriver? 17.14.31 # nope, you have already the bootloader.iriver flashed when you did compile the own bootloader. Try rebooting again with hold switch on 17.14.39 # ah 17.14.41 # okay 17.14.44 # proceed with rockbox.iriver but not bootloader.iriver yet 17.15.18 # hmm I got the normal "Hold is on, shutting down dialog" 17.15.35 # I wonder what will happen if I try to start the OF 17.15.38 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.16.09 # hmm, then it sounds like you don't have the correct bootloader 17.16.37 # weird... it just shows the OF pic and then hangs there 17.16.48 # yep, because half of the OF has been erased 17.16.56 # ah half of the OF 17.17.00 # :) 17.17.03 # hehe 17.17.50 # so how come and I have the wrong bootloader version? 17.18.05 # LambdaCalculus37, Could you tell me if you think this is V1 or V2? 17.18.07 # http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16855125020 17.18.07 # are you sure you installed the svn version of the bootloader? 17.18.16 # and a recent one 17.18.52 # XavierGr: you could try the bootloader.iriver, that should flash the correct one. but don't try yet as i am little worried 17.19.03 # yes because I updated with svn update then applied the patch for the configuration file of the H100 and then configured with the B option 17.19.13 # asdrubal: Honestly, I can't tell you that. 17.19.24 # it doesn't say "Audible" support.. 17.19.27 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.19.27 # Slasheri: is it safe to try the rockbox.iriver now? 17.19.27 # what is Audible anyway 17.19.45 # and then you decrypted the firmware, connected it with the OF and encrypted back on? 17.19.51 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audible.com 17.19.52 # and flashed with iriver flashing utility? 17.19.55 # LambdaCalculus37: FYI, my v1 c250 mentioned audible support... 17.20.13 # obo: My c240 didn't. 17.20.14 # Slasheri: yup just as IriverBoot says 17.20.20 # Mine's a v1. 17.20.31 # XavierGr: weird, then you should have the correct one.. 17.20.39 # Slasheri: Are you sure that I don't need the bootloader.iriver for the bootloader menu? 17.20.39 # XavierGr: just a moment 17.20.52 # asdrubal: Honestly, you are best off going to a store and seeing the package yourself. 17.20.57 # nope *if* you have the correct one flashed 17.21.18 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 17.21.25 # because if I recall correctly I flashed my H140 with your released bootloader then with bootloader.iriver and then rockbox.iriver 17.21.27 # XavierGr: did you enable HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS define? 17.21.37 # but it ahs been some time I might be wrong 17.21.42 # yep, that would be the normal way to do it 17.22.16 # Slasheri: I will upload my current patch on the tracker 17.22.21 # ok, good 17.22.41 Quit Mathiasdm (Client Quit) 17.23.00 # |miipekk@pic:/export/home/miipekk/cvs/rockbox$ grep -r HAVE_EEPROM_ firmware/export/ | grep -v svn 17.23.03 # |firmware/export/config-h120.h:#define HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS 17.23.07 # you need to have that in config-h100.h too 17.23.36 Quit gevaerts ("going home") 17.23.42 # damn 17.23.51 # yeah I got only HAVE_EEPROM 17.24.02 # hehe, HAVE_EEPROM does nothing :) 17.24.15 # oh, it just something.. 17.24.20 # well, you need to have both 17.24.37 # then compile the bootloader and rockbox again 17.24.50 # and follow h140 flashing instructions, now you don't have any other options 17.25.33 # Slasheri: I now why I missed that, it isn't commented out on the H100 config file 17.25.36 # LambdaCalculus37, yeah I know... thanks 17.25.41 # s/now/know 17.26.39 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 17.26.41 # so Slasheri: can't I bring back the OF with iriver_flash? 17.26.50 # I remember that it was possible 17.27.40 # XavierGr: yes, you can 17.27.41 # or