--- Log for 04.03.108 Server: card.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.13 # moos: It's described in the patch - there are some outstanding bug reports, plus I'm not really happy with how images were handled (not respecting the viewports, but being drawn globally). 00.01.33 # linuxstb: sorry was lazy to check myself :), full viewports with multifonts is probably the main patches remaining "against" unofficials builds 00.02.06 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 00.02.06 # Actually there's one issue left that isn't mentionned on the wiki. If a sansa is plugged in while booting, it goes to usb mode correctly, but the sd card is not initialized yet so that isn't accessible. 00.02.10 # moos: So people are using viewports rather than the older patches? 00.02.52 # But as long as there are write problems on sansa, and the bootloader still boots to OF by default, I don't think that's too important 00.03.20 Quit bttb ("leaving") 00.03.20 # linuxstb: just a guess 00.03.35 # gevaerts: It could be worth adding it to the wiki page - you never know, someone may fix it for you... 00.03.40 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.04.00 # * gevaerts edits the wiki now 00.05.20 # * gevaerts tries to think if there are other minor issues 00.06.43 # Actually, that's feature. If the sansa is plugged in while booting, there is no write corruption on the sd card :) 00.07.44 # Hehehe 00.09.33 # hmm... the screenshot pngs should probably be renamed to have "context-menu" instead of "file-menu" in it, too 00.10.02 # have other people reported success with UMS on H10? or is it just me so far? 00.10.26 # There is still this issue that causes Windows to be annoying when you switch from UMS to serial to charging-only. It remembers what you did last time, and ignores new information. I'll test tomorrow if that can be fixed by adding a digit to the serial number that's used as a bitmap of enabled class drivers 00.10.39 Quit moos ("Buenas noches") 00.11.09 # barrywardell: amiconn has used it, and he has no signal quality problems with it. 00.13.13 # Well, almost 00.14.26 # I saw very few resets when having it connected to the front port of my linux box (3 resets while playing a whole album from usb disk) 00.15.05 # Could you try that test again with the OF and the same port ? Maybe it's just due to the port 00.15.18 # Compare that to the dozens... hundreds of resets I get by just browsing my mini. Mini on rear port works flawlessly though (and H10 too) 00.15.42 # No problems with OF on any port, H10 and Mini 00.15.45 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 00.16.29 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 00.16.39 # Same applies to my windows box and connecting to my hub vs. root port. Hub produces errors, root port works 00.16.50 # Hub works for all OFs 00.17.27 # Anyway, I should be able to get signal testing done tomorrow on my c250, hopefully both on FS and HS. That might provide some hints (and of course if soap manages to get these voltage measurements done, that should give even more hints) 00.18.55 # * gevaerts hopes to get this solved before his gigabeat f arrives, so he only has to worry about one driver at the same time 00.19.05 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.26.28 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 00.28.12 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@s220b.studby.ntnu.no) 00.30.46 Quit EspeonEefi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.31.28 # Actually I got a mail today from someone who owns two e200s, one of which absolutely refuses to connect to his front ports, while the other does connect to one front port, but not the other; all using the OF. The one that connects has newer firmware (1.02.18P vs 1.02.15P). Back ports work for both. I'm not sure what that implies, but it is interesting 00.32.37 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 00.33.05 # Out-of-specs front ports, perhaps? 00.33.35 # I guess my front ports are noiser than the rear ports, but still within specs (it's a HP business PC...) 00.34.34 # * amiconn now has a working gamma test plugin 00.35.00 # * amiconn used it in a sim to test the display gamma of his laptop as a verification 00.35.21 # Don't be too sure of that. I've heard about devices that pass electrical tests perfectly and don't connect to HP front ports, from the people who did the tests. 00.35.43 # HP business pc or consumer pc? 00.36.00 # I think both. I'll ask 00.36.58 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-THREE-FIFTEEN.MIT.EDU) 00.38.40 # scorche|sh: What server will your rockbox-themes site run on? Will you have full control over it? 00.39.01 # linuxstb: yes...full and absolute control 00.39.20 # well, short of kernel modules 00.39.40 # I really just mean ssh access so we can run scripts on it? 00.40.00 # And build things like checkwps automatically from svn checkouts. 00.40.11 # yes...it is my VPS (which will be others too as soon as i upgrade it) 00.40.18 # no shared hosting 00.41.00 # Six more clean commits and there will be this nice green rectangle with just this one vertical yellow line... 00.41.14 # gevaerts: thanks for jinxing it ;) 00.41.16 # I guess it's time I broke my buildserver again 00.42.31 # gevaerts: What are you planning for the gigabeat f? 00.42.32 # linuxstb: which means i should probably edit the code to use the zip function instead of just exec() (or whichever function i used..) 00.42.46 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.43.32 # * linuxstb wonders if uploaded themes could/should be put in SVN... 00.43.48 # errrr... 00.44.01 # I'd vote against it. 00.44.06 # same 00.44.25 # I'm not talking about the current wps directory - just an svn repository to manage the uploaded themes. 00.44.29 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=root@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 00.44.43 # I don't think there are many advantages to it 00.44.46 # linuxstb: I'd like to get USB host working, if at all possible. 00.44.56 # I don't think we need revision history for themes. :) 00.45.09 # scorche|sh: Latest wpschecker script: http://pastebin.ca/927021 00.45.22 # scorche: ^^ 00.45.43 # scorche: Latest wpschecker script: http://pastebin.ca/927021 (TOOLSDIR) needs adjustment, obviously 00.47.05 # Llorean: It's not just about a revision history, it's about allowing people to edit/maintain them in a controlled way, and also without needing server access. 00.47.59 # linuxstb: I think "upload a new zip on top of the current one" is fine for maintaining a theme, really 00.49.18 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.226.58.34) 00.50.12 # rasher: For 100s of themes? 00.50.27 # there really inst *that* much traffic 00.51.46 # i would be afraid of theme authors ruining others'...and it would be a pain to set up permissions each time 00.52.24 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 00.53.25 # pixelma: where is a good place to install unicode support for cygwin? I tried /usr/share/texmf/tex/ but it is not finding utf8x.def when I do make manual-pdf 00.57.46 # ah, mktexlsr seems to have fixed it 00.58.28 # * amiconn wonders what macos has against ums devices which are not marked as removable 00.59.21 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1@bas7-ottawa23-1088833016.dsl.bell.ca) 00.59.33 # Would plugging an iriver, or archos recorder, confuse macos too? 01.00.38 # roolku: did you run mktexslr (I think it was called)? (that was necessary for me to make it find the unicode package files) 01.00.54 # I don't know. It seems to ask for mode pages that should be (IIUC) optional, and fails if those are not available. 01.01.03 # * pixelma should have read further... :) 01.01.09 # pixelma: yes, that seems to have fixed it :) 01.01.54 # gevaerts: Is it possible to find out what data a certain device sends for those mode pages? 01.02.06 # I mean, which having control about the device side stack 01.02.12 # s/which/without/ 01.03.17 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 01.03.34 # amiconn: you should be able to get those using a tracer (software would be sufficient for this) 01.04.02 # Hmm, but only if the host requests this info, correct? 01.04.14 # * gevaerts realizes this eject change probably broke SD-card swapping while connected 01.04.55 # amiconn: most OSes ask for page code 0x3f eventually, which means "all supported pages" 01.04.58 # * amiconn remembers that he did some experiments with a scsi inquiry program on Amiga way back in the past 01.05.39 # * gevaerts remembers reading about a disk search command in an old scsi spec 01.06.22 # * amiconn wonders whether he'll manage to dig up that program, and whether it'll work with the usbscsi.device provided by the usb stack 01.07.50 # * pixelma remembers reading february's IRC stats ;) 01.08.28 # amiconn: on linux you can do "scsiinfo -c /dev/sd" to get the caching page, which is the one that macos asks for 01.08.47 # Ah, it's called SCSIquery - and I still have it installed 01.10.19 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.10.25 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.11.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.13.16 # Isn't it sg_inq on Linux? 01.13.24 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 01.14.46 # Actually, it depends on what you want. The macos problem is a mode sense page, so the correct sg_* would be sg_modes 01.16.15 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 01.18.33 # sg_dd looks interesting for performing raw performance tests 01.19.06 Quit BlakeJohnson87 ("Leaving.") 01.20.55 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-67-190-234-51.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 01.21.43 # gevaerts: Any sg_* output that could be interesting to compare? 01.22.39 # (e.g. Mini OF diskmode vs. rockbox, some output from a device with a hardware usb-ata bridge which is not marked removable, etc) 01.22.58 Quit mchua ("Holy shiny distraction, Batman!") 01.25.31 # amiconn: I'm trying to work out the syntax 01.25.56 Quit jac0b ("Ex-Chat") 01.26.39 # pixelma: could I bother you about the manual? I have created the platform file for the MR100, but I am getting an error (?) http://www.pastebin.ca/927055 01.27.22 # pixelma: any idea? Undefined control sequence ? Overfull \hbox ? 01.28.54 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.29.30 # it seems to complain about a wrong button macro ( \ButtonA ) in rockbox_interface/main.tex. 01.30.44 # the overfull and underfull hbox warnings are normal, you can ignore those. 01.31.10 # at least I didn't find anything speaking against that yet 01.32.17 # ah, ButtonA would be a problem - this should be ButtonDisplay ... wonder how it got there... 01.32.24 Join Kage [0] (n=delphiki@ppp-88-217-75-3.dynamic.mnet-online.de) 01.32.56 # amiconn: "sg_modes --six --hex /dev/sd?" and "sg_modes --hex /dev/sd?" are interesting. Those are for MODE SENSE 6 and MODE SENSE 10. For some reason the second one doesn't cut of its data at a correct length. "sg_inq /dev/sd?" might also be useful. 01.34.48 # roolku: could also be an unclosed \opt{gigabeatf} perhaps? Or does the m:robe100 also have a button "A"? 01.35.24 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.36.23 # pixelma: no, I used the gigabeatf as the basis for my platform file - the mrobe 100 uses ButtonDisplay rather than ButtonA, but I thought I had replaced them all... 01.37.17 # amiconn: "sg_modes -e --hex /dev/sd?" should also be interesting, but it doesn't seem to work properly over usb (or maybe I don't have enough patience) 01.37.43 Part TheBashar 01.37.43 # pixelma: ah, found the culprit 01.39.18 # gevaerts: I already have results from apple diskmode + iriver h180 (hardware bridge); compiling latest rockbox for mini now... 01.39.35 # The iriver doesn't support 6 byte mode sense at all 01.39.40 # roolku: ah, glad you found it :) 01.39.53 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6ab63e839d9aa291) 01.41.25 # amiconn: I found a byte-order bug in the rockbox mode sense 10 code. Fixing now... 01.41.44 # -e works here, btw 01.42.01 # (but apple diskmode returns strange results iiuc) 01.42.15 # is it possible to reboot a sansa into rockbox without resetting the CPU? 01.42.42 # i'm wondering if it would be possible to leave all the OF's register settings in place then boot rockbox 01.42.53 # without clearing them 01.44.04 # saratoga: I doubt it, but I don't really know 01.46.02 # saratoga: I think you would have to hack the OF somehow to do it - insert some Rockbox code at a known point in the OF to dump the registers to disk... Or the alternative would be something like jtag, but I don't know if the Sansa has that 01.46.34 # linuxstb: it does have jtag but thats not what i was thinking 01.46.49 # Umm, rockbox doesn't like sg_modes -e 01.46.59 # since we can resign the OF after editing it, i was thinking of maybe just branching back to the bootloader after the OF boots 01.47.03 Quit Kage (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.47.24 # i guess i need to talk to bagder about this 01.47.45 # The OF will most likely overwrite the bootloader (it's in IRAM) 01.48.00 # gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/927077 01.48.02 # amiconn: sansa OF doesn't like it either here 01.48.06 # saratoga: Have you looked at the emulator? 01.48.15 # linuxstb: yes a lot last summer 01.48.20 # Note the loooong reply of rockbox for 10 byte mode sense as well... 01.48.29 # though it didn't fully boot the OF so i'm not sure how useful it would be 01.48.36 # amiconn: I just fixed that one 01.49.14 # I'm actually really hoping we can get a GSOC student interested in improving the emulator 01.49.31 Quit Zacam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.49.40 Join pabs_ [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 01.52.33 # * gevaerts found another bug 01.54.01 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 01.54.11 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@user-11200ga.dsl.mindspring.com) 01.54.27 # is there a way to set a them to use a inverse slector bar? 01.54.33 # theme* 01.55.11 Quit pabs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.55.15 # i think you can just edit the theme file to use the inverse selector bar instead of whatever its doing now 01.56.22 # HOW DO YOU DO IT 01.56.29 # opps sorry about the caps 01.57.02 # the WPSLIST declares "selector type: bar (inverse)" when it wants inverse so i'd guess that would work in a theme config file too 01.57.37 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 01.57.53 # you could also set it, then save "theme settings" and look what's in the file... 01.59.10 # got it thanks 01.59.20 Quit jac0b ("Ex-Chat") 02.01.10 Quit ender` (" There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy") 02.02.10 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.02.24 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 02.03.13 Quit roolku () 02.04.05 # I recall someone saying (on mailing list or forum post?) that they've noticed how much louder rockbox is on disk seeking than on original firmware on ipod 5g - I just rebooted into OF and I'd have to say I agree. Are we possibly not setting the correct power options ('quiet seek'?) in ata? 02.05.10 Nick pabs_ is now known as pabs (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 02.05.43 # where quiet seek = the acoustic management mode, but I can't recall the details 02.05.57 # We are setting acoustic management if the disk supports it 02.07.41 # I wonder if the disk incorrectly identifies as not supporting it, or if there is a different setting used by the OF 02.12.21 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-235-224-185.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 02.13.28 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.14.06 # amiconn: I'll finish looking at this scsi info tomorrow. I'm really getting sleepy now 02.14.11 Part SSnake 02.14.45 # * gevaerts wonders why this build is still not finished after 16 minutes 02.14.55 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-18-210-31.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 02.15.13 Quit gevaerts ("fallen asleep on his keyboard") 02.18.05 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.18.06 # is it just me or is rockbox.org slow for someone else too? 02.18.27 # its fine here 02.19.24 # oh well, maybe it's just saying "it's late here, get some sleep" :) 02.20.23 # gnight 02.22.07 Part pixelma 02.26.03 Quit andrew___ ("leaving") 02.26.21 Join andrew__ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162087150.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 02.30.42 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.35.52 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 02.40.32 Join b__ [0] (n=b@CPE00032508b516-CM00122546315c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 02.46.05 Quit argumentD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.46.16 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.53.38 Join HellDragon [0] (n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon) 02.59.38 Quit b__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.04.22 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.11.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.12.10 Join countrymonkey [0] (n=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-beef9302c5f50779) 03.13.01 Quit ol_schoola () 03.13.12 # Is there a chance fs#8627 could get a critique? 03.16.52 # countrymonkey: I don't think "on track change" is descriptive - as that (to me) implies a beep on _every_ track change, not just when skipping. But I've never used that feature at all (I never even knew it existed...) 03.18.36 # good point. I'll change it. 03.19.47 Quit dandin1 () 03.21.15 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-0-218-198.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 03.29.21 Join mchua [0] (n=mchua@cpe-66-65-114-204.nyc.res.rr.com) 03.29.32 Part zedd_D1abl0 03.33.40 # Now it is fixed. Could it be checked again? 03.37.26 Quit LambdaCalculus37 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.37.40 Join shrimants [0] (n=Administ@baits-212-132.reshall.umich.edu) 03.38.04 # Hello 03.38.50 # Is it possible to completely remove the ipod stock firmware from the ipod before/after installing rockbox? 03.39.29 Join keanu [0] (n=keanu@unaffiliated/keanu) 03.39.39 Part keanu ("Leaving") 03.41.26 # No. You would have to reflash the ipod rom and that is dangerous. I see no reason you would want to do such thing, though. 03.42.04 # no reason, really, I was just wondering how to make it load only the rockbox firmware instead of using the bootloader that first has the apple logo and then the rockbox logos. 03.43.15 # You mean you don't want the rockbox logo? 03.43.40 # no i mean i dont want the apple logo. It wasnt really a question of how, it was just a question of if it was possible or not 03.43.44 # Yeah, it's not possible currently. Rockbox doesn't have it's own UMS mode yet (you can't transfer files from the computer), so you still need the Apple firmware anyway. 03.43.54 # Oh, alright 03.44.27 # But then how does rockbox transfer? Are you supposed to reboot into disk mode in order to transfer music through syncing? 03.44.58 # reboot into disk mode and reboot back again. 03.45.15 # ah ok, thanks for clearing that up 03.45.17 # There is working code in SVN for Rockbox's own UMS mode, but it's not enabled yet. 03.45.45 # Rockbox currently automatically reboots to Apple's emergency disk mode when you attach to USB, and then it will reboot back to rockbox when you detach. 03.46.01 # Is it not possible to implement something into rockbox that makes it use sometehing like PlaysForSure or simple USB device mode transfering? 03.46.49 # "PlaysForSure" won't happen - no-one wants to implement support for DRM in Rockbox. 03.46.50 # countrymonkey: only native speakers should be trying to update languages.... youve been told that a fwe times 03.47.01 # and wasnt beep volume removed anyway? 03.47.19 # I just used PlaysForSure as an example, i didnt mean that protocol specificall 03.47.20 # y 03.47.40 # my Zen Vision M taught me enough hatred for that protocol 03.47.57 # no. A native speaker bleepin updated this file. He gave me the translation because we were bored together today and I put it in. 03.48.18 # PlaysForSure isn't a protocol. 03.48.34 # shrimants: But yes, other USB modes are possible - and I've just mentioned that we have a (almost) working UMS mode already 03.48.36 # It's just a certification that the player works with Windows Media Player 03.49.02 # oh, I did not know that. What was the transfer protocol that windows devices used then? 03.49.08 # MTP? 03.49.11 # "A helpful friend (carlos tores) translated this patch to spanish for me. Here is the new patch. Beware that even though he is a native spanish speaker, he doesn't know very much about the jukebox world. Additionally, he is a mexican spanish speaker. Here's the patch." i.e not nesacerily the person we want doing the translatino 03.49.12 # yes! that one 03.49.34 # JdGordon: translatino? ;) 03.49.42 # LOL 03.49.54 # yeah, for some reason my fingures always do the ion wrong :p 03.50.04 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-155-134-207.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 03.50.45 # shrimants: The transfer protocol is MTP 03.51.00 # just to double check, the wall chargers don't work with the sansa? We have tried and so far no luck. It does not charge the battery. 03.51.25 # it shuold... worst case is you need to use the OF 03.51.35 # Alonea: In Rockbox or the original firmware? 03.51.37 # right, Wouldnt it be possible to implement MTP into rockbox is what my question was. for instance, I dont know how you transfer your files over, but I just copy my "my music" folder over to the HD and rockbox tags it 03.52.01 # shrimants: its possible, but unlikely 03.52.06 # linuxstb: rockbox. and if you plug in the charger while the player is off, it loads rockbox in a loop 03.52.13 # shrimants: Yes, it's been mentioned a few times. It's even on the list of possible projects for this year's Google Summer Of Code 03.52.20 # it is? 03.52.24 # neat-o 03.53.10 # Do any of you use an ipod video 30gb with rockbox? if so, how do you manage/transfer your music over? 03.53.24 # I just copy the files over... 03.53.29 # Why does it do that? I noticed that on Jan. 15, 2007, my first ever day of rockbox. 03.54.18 # linuxstb: I was looking through the logs and it looks like there is work being done on the usb issues. Does it look like this problem will be fixed sometime soon? 03.54.50 # Me too. I have an ipod4g20gb and it is esentially the same. 03.55.02 # Dad pretty much wants to be able to listen to music, etc. with the charger in like I could on my gigabeat. 03.55.03 # Alonea: I think the effort is concentrated on getting the UMS driver working. I never even knew the Sansas had that problem (I don't own one) 03.55.11 # Alonea: wierd.. are you using a unsupported bootloader? I dont think we ever rebooted on usb on the sansa 03.55.36 # JdGordon: not that I know of. Unless a new bootloader has been implemented in the last month. 03.55.49 # not to my knowledge... 03.55.58 # bbl. I am having a problem talking on the phone and talking here. 03.55.59 # but ok, just boot into the OF (hold left) 03.56.04 # How would you recommend installing rockbox, using the automated installer? or command line? 03.56.12 # AUTOMATED! 03.56.17 # Alonea: When does Rockbox reboot? Immediately on boot, or after while? 03.56.27 # sansapatcher/ipodpatcher! 03.56.29 # alright then, automated it is lol 03.57.19 # JdGordon: now, if you put in the usb cable to computer while off, it loads the OF like its supposed to. If you plug in wall charger, it loads the rockbox boot screen, goes black, reboots back to rocobox boot screen in a loop 03.57.41 # wierd 03.58.06 # JdGordon: if you plug in wall charger while in rockbox, nothing happens and battery does not charge. if you plug in usb in rockbox, it usually reboots into OF. 03.58.22 # e200? 03.58.32 # JdGordon: yes. 280 to be exact. 03.58.42 # and your definatly using a supported build? 03.58.51 # I'm sure re otting was never added for sansa 03.58.57 # yeah 03.58.59 # but ill go find my sansa which isnt busy and try it out 03.59.18 # I always use rockbox builds. haven't built my own in a lonnnnnng time. 04.00.24 # oh wow! it did reboot 04.00.27 # I meant to mention this a month ago, but I got busy. though I don't know if the loop thing was happening before. its not my player. ^__^ 04.00.44 # JdGordon: when you plug in the usb cable to compy? 04.00.52 # yeah 04.00.59 # * JdGordon checks with wall charger 04.01.04 # JdGordon: I was told it was supposed to. 04.01.47 # since there isn't usb in rockbox support yet. (*sniffles*) 04.03.05 # nup, wall charger appears to work fine 04.03.09 # not rebooting and looping 04.03.26 # hmm...using latest version? 04.03.39 # nope 04.04.21 # * JdGordon will try svn shortly.. running between 3 comps atm 04.04.26 # its ok. 04.04.50 # so your charger actually charges your player? while in rockbox? or only in OF? 04.05.15 # when you plug in your charger, does it load OF or rockbox? 04.10.40 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 04.11.18 # it loads rockbox and says its charging 04.12.53 # woah the automated installer has come a LONG way since i installed rockbox last 04.13.30 # odd. I will try again in a sec. I bought the charger that the reviews said didn't break within a week and didn't have any problems. give me a sec to tell you the brand. 04.14.33 # I'm using some generic usb charger 04.14.53 # I am wondering: I have an aa quickcharger and a minib-to-ipod tip adapter. How does rb fair with those? 04.14.56 # ok, its a belkin. 04.16.44 # JdGordon: where would it say "chargin" for rockbox? 04.16.56 # ,In the rockbox info screen. 04.16.58 # in the statusbar 04.17.08 # what theme? 04.17.31 # any theeme.. just enable the statusbar 04.17.37 # the battery icno will change 04.18.02 # icon 04.18.07 # eh, its hard to tell since the battery is currently full. 04.20.37 # ok, i am using cabbie, and the battery thing has no animation or anything 04.20.45 # neither did cassette. 04.21.54 # oh! 04.22.03 # there it goes! 04.22.39 # I gues the update fixed it (as for why it did not work a second ago I am using one of the plugs on a box and I forgot that one was bad 04.23.25 # I guess I will see if after a while, the green is all the way and double check in OF. 04.23.30 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 04.23.38 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.23.55 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-0cceqdv.cable.mindspring.com) 04.24.41 # So... I have a bug to report regarding the iPod5G where it crashes and makes strange static noises and I took an audio recording of the symptom... Anyone know how/where I could put this audio file somewhere for all to access to see if others are having the same problem? 04.26.52 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.27.18 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF4C31.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.27.35 # Can you consistently reproduce the bug? 04.27.44 # lol... 04.27.52 # Well it consistently happens over and over again. 04.28.23 # But it occurs at seemingly random intervals, no telling when or how often it'll happen, nor what triggers it. 04.28.36 # Bug reports go on the tracker. I think you can attach files there. 04.28.49 # That's why I took the recording, as the noises it makes are quite distinctive. 04.29.02 # Ah really? So a 3MB .wav file is no problem then? 04.29.12 # Yup, on the tracker it goes. (attachment max 2MB) 04.29.17 # Ouch. 04.29.22 # cut it down to just the relevant portion. 04.29.31 # .zip it up. 04.29.36 # true 04.29.40 # JdGordon: so I will check some more on this charging thing and double check it works. lemme see if the loop thing still happens 04.29.48 # I know it is not my place to question the devs, but I am wondering why the unfinished projects from last years GSoC aren't on this years wiki page? 04.30.04 # Davide-NYC: you're welcome to add them 04.30.12 # I am? 04.30.17 # the list there is mostly just things i was interested in 04.30.21 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5ceaeab3afcd0711) 04.30.39 # My opinion is GSoc2008 should focum on a 3.0 release 04.30.48 # thats not really possible 04.31.01 # Btw, to whomever is responsible for homepage site design, the little icons on the left next to all the links, as well as including the revision number for each source code update are very welcom improvements. :) 04.31.01 Join argumentD [0] (n=argument@cpe-76-173-115-95.socal.res.rr.com) 04.31.13 # * Davide-NYC agreed 04.31.17 # releases take basically everyone working on them 04.31.29 # saratoga: I know, but pieces could be targeted, no? 04.31.35 # ok, JdGordon, I misread the loop thing. This is what is happening. When the player is OFF and I plug in the wall charger, the sandisk logo comes up, the rockbox screen comes up, and it just stops. the black is the backlight going off. 04.31.50 # well yes you could pick a piece and work on it, but i doubt fixing any one thing is going to move much closer to a 3.0 release 04.32.09 # For the iRiver H1x0 series we are extremely close IMO./ 04.32.15 Part shrimants 04.32.49 Join jurrie [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 04.33.07 # JdGordon: if I then unplug the charger, it finishes loading. 04.34.06 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 04.34.45 # * alienbiker99 just fixed my h320 battery 04.34.46 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.34.46 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.35.19 # Ah, never mind, I found someone else has posted a recording in FS#8651. 04.36.46 # saratoga: Is it appropriate to put viewports on there? 04.40.29 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.41.09 # Davide-NYC: isn't that already being worked on by core developers? 04.42.10 # Yes, which is why I'm asking. I may be unclear as to what should and shoudl not be included in GSoC. 04.42.55 # well it has to be something that could reasonably be done by a student interested in the project 04.43.16 # things that are already in an advanced state of development and likely to go into rockbox before GSOC begins are not good choices 04.43.35 # what about APE optimization? 04.43.42 # ideally it should be things that would take a students roughly the summer to complete and do not involve learning massive amounts about other people's code 04.45.09 # Doint tts, I guess? 04.45.25 # text-to-speech, sorry. 04.46.35 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 04.48.02 # personally i'm hoping for the ARM emulator and Rockbox as an App projects 04.48.29 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.48.37 # I have never used MonkeysAudio, but I find one of Rockboxes greatest strengths is its ability to play just about anything. Currently MonkeysAudio is the worst performing 'supported' codec. 04.49.15 # saratoga: could you explain to me what the attraction is the RB as application project is? 04.49.17 Join jurrie_ [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 04.49.17 Nick Klowner_ is now known as Klowner (n=klown@71-217-238-142.dvnp.qwest.net) 04.49.50 # it would basically allow rockbox to run on smart phones or pdas 04.50.10 # devices which allow 3rd party applications without much or any hacking 04.50.28 # mainly for Rockbock style playback... 04.50.33 # I've been using rockbox for two days now, it's so neat, thank you developer dudes 04.50.41 # You mean, turning these smartphones (if they aren't already) into ogg, sid, shn, mpc, flac and other formats' players? 04.50.41 # things like iphones, google's android project, linux smartphones, etc 04.50.54 # gotcha. 04.51.05 # and would plugins be included in the port? 04.51.14 Join TheBashar [0] (n=User@adsl-75-31-137-24.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) 04.51.53 # Cool for playback, but I'm one of the resident recording enthusiast Rockbox users and as such need to look out for that niche. How about WRS support in GSoC? (while recording screen) 04.52.20 # This would make more sense if viewports was in place. 04.52.21 # Davide-NYC, I'm not an expert on where Rockbox's current APE implementation stands as far as optimization - but it is a _very_ CPU hungry codec. 04.52.30 # You mean like .wps filews we would have .wrs and .rwrs files? 04.52.46 # I think it is reasonably to believe it might never make it realtime on a vast majority of current targets. 04.52.47 # countrymonkey: exactly 04.53.02 # I tried ape. I couldn't get the thing to play (using a sept. build). 04.53.34 # soap: even gigabeat? 04.53.50 # gigabeat is realtime, iirc. 04.54.10 # IIRC most compression levels are realtime on Gigabeat - need to look at the wiki. 04.54.31 # also, IIRC WavPack hybrid support isn't 100% - that would be cool. 04.54.42 # no ape info on gigabeat in the wiki 04.54.54 # soap: Now you're talking! 04.55.18 # That's right. -c 1000 to -c 3000. I used -c 1000 on a pp target. 04.56.00 # I remember from the initial commit message when the codec was first committed. 04.56.13 Join jurrie__ [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 04.56.25 # lol - ape-insane @ sub 2% on coldfire 04.57.37 # (for the logs) Depending on whether Viewports is implemented in time or not I would like to vote for some WRS (while recording screen) support as a GSoC project. Or at the very least a rework of the recording screen even if static. (I have some ideas) 04.58.01 # I don't know if simply reorganizing it is "big enough" for GSoC 04.58.12 # And I don't think it needs token based themability in the sense the WPS does, probably. 04.58.16 # But WRS would be. 04.58.22 # gute nacht 04.58.26 # nacht 04.59.03 # awf widersehen. 04.59.11 # fixed recording on PP would be a task 04.59.12 # Please don't start with that. 04.59.19 Quit countrymonkey ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.59.32 # Llorean: I agree, but I've been itching for a couple of changes to the WRS for years now. 04.59.33 Quit perrikwp (K-lined) 04.59.46 # * pikhq is looking for a GSoC project 05.00.01 # Fixed recording on PP might be. I think perhaps a general themability work for the UI, tokenizing as many elements as possible might be better. If the whole UI was more abstractly themable it might be nice. 05.00.15 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f131afbc06dfb1c8) 05.00.15 # Just thought I'd pipe in, since I saw you talking about it. 05.00.21 # * Llorean goes back to being away. 05.00.46 # fixed recording on PP would open so many doors. 05.01.17 # * pikhq tries to remember: is the Sansa a PP target? 05.01.23 # soap: That's definitely a great one. Fixed PP recording. 05.01.27 # though the ARM emulator would probably be a door towards that (and many other) goals. I gotta believe the ARM emulator would catch google's attention as well./ 05.01.32 Join Monga [0] (n=ownagen0@CPE-121-218-242-33.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 05.01.35 # yes, pikhq 05.01.42 # Broke my Gigabeat S today =\ 05.01.45 # w00ts: I have hardware. 05.01.48 Quit jurrie__ ("Leaving") 05.01.58 # Monga how did you do that 05.02.09 # Shithead threw me onto the ground and kicked me. 05.02.17 # Screens screwed. 05.02.56 # I think I'll offer to donate a Apple Accessory Protocol debugger to anyone who gets that as a GSoC project. 05.03.06 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.03.25 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 05.04.24 # Oh no! the product is no longer sold! 05.04.26 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.05.07 # pikhq: do you have much cpu arch background? 05.05.21 # saratoga: Not a gigantic one. 05.05.33 # http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1153/dsc04729uv2.jpg 05.05.51 # Monga: looks like my gigabeat S 05.05.55 # thanks to poor shipping 05.06.07 Quit jurrie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.06.09 # I can offer skills in x86 assembly, C, C++, Tcl, and Brainfuck, but not a whole lot of CPU architectures. 05.06.17 # Note to everyone, don't have your headphones wrapped around your mp4. 05.06.18 # Obviously, C would be the useful one there. ;) 05.06.35 # * pikhq has recently gotten bored, and started writing an OS kernel, for what it's worth 05.06.36 # pikhq: well a good knowledge of assembly certainly helps 05.07.06 # if you use one of the already working ARM SOC emulators, you might not need much CPU design experience 05.07.31 # Hmm. Sansa e200 in there? 05.08.03 Join jurrie [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 05.08.28 # Yeah, although it only emulates one core. . . 05.08.34 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.08.46 # pikhq: the current e200 emulator may not be the best place to start 05.09.11 # debugging the emulation could be quite difficult, and there are already several fully working and arm compliant emulators under GPL compatable license 05.10.00 # Meh; it's not like this is the only task Rockbox could ever offer. ;) 05.10.20 # This feature request should be closed IMO 05.10.23 # (or, for that matter, the only mentoring organization I could be with. . . Doing stuff for Tcl is also quite tempting) 05.10.28 # FS#5917 05.10.36 # skyeye looks very promising since it already runs linux on the arm7tdmi core, which is by far the most popular rockbox cpu 05.11.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.11.26 # adding emulation for the PP LCD bridge and one of the wolfson or as DACs would not be particularly difficult for a student with the right background i think 05.12.42 # Which, of course, is the trick. 05.12.44 Quit jurrie_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.13.06 # well you learn 05.13.19 # i'd certainly never writtena codec when i picked up the WMA project last year 05.14.46 # True. 05.14.51 Quit JdGordon (Nick collision from services.) 05.14.54 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 05.17.24 # and thus busted the best of the Golden Quotes. 05.21.58 # indeed 05.22.24 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 05.22.29 # though perhaps someone with a clue will someday appear to finish the last couple problems with the codec... 05.25.11 # UI suggestion for the H1x0: From FM, long press Rec goes to the Rec screen. 05.25.35 # From Rec, long press A-B goes back to FM. 05.26.02 # Davide-NYC: Generally speaking, this sort of thing belongs as a feature request. 05.26.03 # It is currently awkward to switch between the recording screen and FM. 05.26.22 Quit jurrie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.26.47 Join jurrie [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 05.27.02 # Llorean: do me a favor and close FS#5917. 05.28.04 # Done 05.28.08 # :-0 05.28.29 # I'm trying to close requests, not make more! 05.29.10 # Just wondering what the devs think. It's really not that important. I just think the UI is a little wierd when navigating between REC and FM. 05.30.32 # I don't think there should be a shortcut to the FM screen unless it works from everywhere, but I don't mind the recording screen shortcut being enabled in the FM screen as well. 05.33.27 # Davide-NYC: how is it awkward? fm -> menu -> rec 05.34.14 Join ReymiX [0] (n=admin@190.39.244.50) 05.34.59 Quit Alonea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.35.36 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 05.35.49 # Differnt button presses to get back to FM. 05.36.51 # Ah, so perhaps the real problem is inconsistent buttons for getting to the Rockbox Menu? 05.37.00 # I think I have it. Long A-B could leave the REC screen without stoping the recording! and long press A-B could leave the FM screen without stopping playback! 05.37.03 # * Llorean may have complained of this in the past. 05.37.33 Quit ReymiX (Client Quit) 05.37.35 # * Davide-NYC as an aside I think the quickscreen menu should be abolished. 05.38.29 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 05.39.07 # its not a menu! 05.39.17 # sorry 05.39.18 # if it was it would be called the quickmenu 05.40.48 # Whether or not it's a menu is an important semantic point in another discussion. ;) 05.42.15 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 05.43.30 # Jdgordon: FYI: It's called Quick Menu in the manual. LOL 05.43.40 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.43.40 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-155-134-207.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 05.43.52 # meh, the manual is wrong :p 05.44.09 # Is the quick screen / menu only available from the file menu? 05.44.50 # browsers and wps 05.44.52 Quit Alonea (Client Quit) 05.46.40 # But not the menu itself? 05.46.50 # no, but thats fixable 05.46.55 # I find that a bit wierd as it looks like a browser. 05.47.17 # Oh, that's a bug or is that up for discussion? 05.49.13 # its something which was never fixed.... and hasn been discussed 05.49.59 # IMO if the quickscreen exists the it should be gotten to from the menu as well. 05.50.09 # *then 05.50.16 # everyone knows how I feel about that screen :) 05.51.22 # How about this as a small UI tweak? REC A-B long should go to the REC settings menu and REC A-B short should go to the regular menu. That way getting to the menu is always the same button press: A-B short. 05.51.24 Join ReymiX [0] (n=admin@190.39.244.50) 05.51.34 # JdGordon: you must be an Archos user of some sort. 05.51.43 # :-) 05.51.47 # anybody can help me ? 05.51.56 # shoot 05.53.24 # dude i need a little help... i uninstall complety rockbox firm from my 5th ipod video 05.53.40 # so i want reinstall rockbox 05.54.09 # so what its the best way to install ? manual installation or automatic ? 05.54.38 # n i want multifont patch too 05.56.10 # Davide-NYC: no, why? 05.56.54 # ReymiX; Hmm. I don't own a 5g iPod, but I'd say that as long as you know which version of it (it comes in two flavors) I would do a manual install. 05.57.31 # JdGordon: It just seems like such a vestige of tiny screen players. 06.04.56 Part TheBashar 06.12.32 Quit blithe (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.12.32 NSplit card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 06.14.36 Quit Monga () 06.15.02 Join |framo| [0] (n=framo@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 06.19.28 Quit wisp_sh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.27.58 Quit mchua ("Holy shiny distraction, Batman!") 06.46.11 # Does anybody know where I can find a list of all of the encoding options for Nero AAC Codec? 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All settings which are set to their default aren't stored in config.cfg 08.46.11 # after updating tho the wps was cabbiev2 till i tried replied the "plain text" theme but the menus did not change tho 08.46.51 # Then that theme doesn't specify menu settings 08.47.06 # That's not rockbox' fault, but a bug (incompleteness) in the theme 08.48.02 # o ok.. is there a way to change it back or not 08.54.15 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 08.57.21 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 08.58.00 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 08.59.47 Join Administrator_ [0] (n=chatzill@218.188.7.110) 09.00.43 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-216-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.01.14 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 09.02.26 Join webguest94 [0] (n=dabc076e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8bb514e8b2b8b6b3) 09.05.50 Quit webguest94 (Client Quit) 09.06.31 Nick Administrator_ is now known as convil (n=chatzill@218.188.7.110) 09.11.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.22.47 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 09.22.48 # Hi! 09.22.56 # Hi all... 09.24.28 # Hi universe 09.32.46 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.33.00 Join Abhinav [0] (n=bijolian@117.199.114.161) 09.33.29 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.34.42 # is the rockbox particiapting in summer of code 2008 09.34.59 # we hope we will be selected 09.35.03 # yes, we will apply 09.35.14 # are any of us besides me hanging out in #gsoc ? 09.35.28 # not any more 09.35.31 # Not any more 09.35.35 # me 09.35.36 # haha 09.35.37 # anything interesting? 09.35.40 # ... :) 09.35.42 # nothing recently 09.36.31 # i am hoping rockbox be there 09.37.02 # Abhinav: Are you interested in applying as a student? 09.37.13 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("This computer has gone to sleep") 09.37.20 # yes i am interested as a student 09.37.39 # can u guide me through 09.38.08 # Guide you through what? Applying? 09.38.48 # i have just started in looking at rockbox 09.39.34 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.39.39 # i am really loving this project, i find it most cool project to work on 09.40.22 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.40.32 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 09.40.46 Quit joshin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.41.39 # * GodEater celebrates moving into third place on the "Top Posters" stats for the forums. 09.41.49 # aliask : so u guide me through 09.42.04 # Abhinav: Take a look at our wiki page about the GSOC: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode2008 09.42.29 # ok 09.42.51 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.44.26 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.45.44 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.50.01 Join vipintm [0] (n=vipintm@202.71.146.210) 09.51.49 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.51.54 # GodEater: where's this list? 09.52.08 # markun: which one ? 09.52.16 # Top Posters 09.52.19 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.52.28 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=stats 09.53.22 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.53.38 # most time online.. :) 09.53.40 # Wow, look at how much life Llorean has wasted 09.53.42 # :) 09.53.51 # hehe 09.53.57 # He must spend more time online than sleeping 09.54.07 # amiconn, i am slowly getting it fixed but it is working 09.54.31 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.55.33 # GodEater: You could increase your post count by updating the DevConPub3 thread 09.55.48 # what more needs to be said ? 09.55.48 # If I did it that would just be a waste ;) 09.55.53 # Location and time? 09.55.59 # hm ok 09.56.08 # "We didn't decide a location yet, no." 09.57.00 # Also good to bump, now we're nearly there... but don't break any rules. 09.57.17 # * GodEater is a good poster and uses the modify button instead. 09.58.21 Part vipintm ("Leaving.") 10.01.18 # IMO, that's the kind of situation where a new post is more appropriate - it's a distinct new post, rather than adding information you forgot the first time... 10.02.48 Join BigBambi [0] (n=86ceaf37@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 10.03.24 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 10.03.39 # Yes, and it didn't bump 10.03.51 # I think this time a bump is required...! 10.04.11 # Wooo 10.04.27 # bumped... 10.04.36 # Llorean: Are we close to revising that rule? 10.04.36 # and again 10.06.04 # * linuxstb wonders if laptops running the sim count in a Tower of Rockbox 10.06.29 # we should put some ads on the forum. 800000+ page views/month... 10.06.29 # the rule which seems to work in another forum is you cant add a new post <24h after a post 10.06.58 # linuxstb: we had the sim going on the projector which made a ncie background to our tower a few weeks ago :p 10.07.29 # I think it just ought to be significqnt new info is OK in a new post 10.08.14 # linuxstb: hehe, how about a large tower case PC or two? 10.08.43 # pondlife: Tower of Rockbox Build Servers? 10.08.46 # I've got an old 486 thing somewhere, it's probably powerful enough to run the sim and it's about 3 feet tall 10.08.56 # It might break the table though 10.08.57 # I had one of those 10.09.10 # pondlife: But it was a cyrix 166! 10.09.22 # Hmm, might not run realtime 10.09.34 # Nothing ever did. It was crap 10.09.48 # the twiki main page (WebHome) states some 25th/26th October 2007 changes as "10 most recent changes" /for me?). If I go to "more" everything is alright and the latest changes to the wiki stated on the frontpage look correctly too... 10.09.49 # GodEater: I'll pop an open invite up on the ML, if you're ok with that 10.10.32 # sure 10.10.34 # more the merrier 10.10.38 # pixelma: the oldest change I see is 3 march 10.10.45 # pixelma: Twiki webhome recent updates look OK to me 10.10.45 Quit wisp_sh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.10.56 # Zagor: 4 march 10.11.02 # pixelma: 04 Mar 2008 - 08:38 IpodFAQ is the latest I see 10.11.27 # pixelma: hit 'Refresh cache' and ctrl-F5 10.11.38 # I did several times :\ 10.11.38 # petur: don't you see "03 Mar 2008 - 23:15 RockboxPlayerPrototype JorgePinto" as the last line? 10.12.10 # you mean here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome 10.12.16 # yes 10.12.18 # I can't compile the inline assembler in libdemac's vector_math16_arm7.h with gcc 2.95.3 and gcc 3.4.5. Does anyone has a patch? 10.12.28 # pixelma: Maybe 'tis your ISP caching, but is definately OK here 10.12.33 # Zagor: it is the last one at the bottom 10.12.44 # right, good 10.12.49 # * pondlife probably just offended some people 10.12.49 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.12.54 # same happens when I look at it in another browser (not used for a while) 10.13.07 # the top one is IpodFaq - SpencerHarston 10.13.13 # yup 10.13.32 # me too 10.13.57 # pixelma: that's really odd 10.13.59 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.14.35 # I see the icons have gone live :) 10.15.03 # GodEater: now you're really slow... :p 10.15.12 # ? 10.15.40 # They are live since yesterday 10.15.55 # yeah I thought we'd try something new. mixed reactions though. 10.16.10 # I saw the test page yesterday 10.16.18 # Zagor: Any chance you could increase the vertical spacing on the menu to be like the old one? See http://pondlife.homeip.net/images/both.jpg ... 10.16.18 # didn't know they'd gone live till just now 10.16.34 # Zagor: Also right justified text is a bit nicer 10.16.34 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.16.43 # convil: No, but a patch would be welcome... What target are you trying to compile it for? 10.16.49 Quit mrkiko ("leaving") 10.17.01 # pondlife: I saw you mention that in the log yesterday. which browser is that? the new menu actually has *more* vertical spacing than the old. 10.17.07 # IE7 10.17.14 # really odd 10.17.18 # Do you see the image? 10.17.21 # yes 10.17.29 # And you see something different? 10.17.35 # to be honest, I like the new spacing better 10.17.58 # yes, try firefox and you'll see the line spacing is identical, but the section top-margin has increased slightly 10.18.11 # linuxstb: An arm7 board with uClinux 2.4.26. And I can't even read ARM assembler, sorry. 10.18.16 # * pondlife has no FireFox at work. 10.18.31 # i wonder what makes ie7 shrink it 10.18.34 # maybe if the icons are put to the right side and text is also right-aligned some people will no longer complain about ythe left-alignment... 10.18.38 # ok, I'll wait a bit then. I found the icons confusing, couldn't find the IRC link that easy as before, it felt like I had to go through the list twice 10.18.54 # petur: I did that at first, but it got terribly jumbled 10.20.20 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.20.48 # the twiki webhome I see does not have them though (yet) :P 10.21.06 # pixelma: yes it does, just not your ancient cache of it 10.21.19 # convil: This is off-topic for this channel - do you want to take this to PMs? 10.21.49 # linuxstb: sure 10.22.15 # I'm not very attached to the icons. I just thought it could be nice to add some eye candy. 10.22.38 # Zagor: I figured (because the "recent changes > more" have it, hence the ;P 10.23.49 # pixelma: ah 10.25.42 # Zagor: I just noticed that the menu spacing is ok on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome, but not on the front page 10.26.02 # ! 10.26.20 # pondlife: ie7 is just being silly (as usual) 10.26.20 # In fact, only the wiki and extras pages are ok. The rest are squished up 10.27.05 # oops, and the manual 10.27.24 # is the manual ok? 10.27.30 # No, squished 10.27.46 Join a6 [0] (n=a6530466@Zion.dorm.au.edu.tw) 10.28.06 # Take all that back. 10.28.10 # I think I read that IE does something different with some
attributes but can't remember exactly 10.28.20 # It's the wiki pages that are fine, all others are squished 10.29.53 # linuxstb: hey, whats the story with the vp patches? 10.30.04 # the only difference is that the wiki menu has all newlines removed 10.30.42 # JdGordon: Still no real time to work on them... 10.30.42 # http://www.rockbox.org/head.tmpl is used for twiki, http://www.rockbox.org/head.html for all other pages 10.30.57 # * petur confirms the oddness with ie7 and quickly shuts it down again 10.31.05 # linuxstb: what work needs to be done? 10.32.17 Quit Abhinav (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.32.35 # JdGordon: The bugs mentioned in the flyspray task, the TODOs mentioned in the patch (mainly cleaning up the %V parser, and adding bounds checking to it IIRC), plus thinking about how images are handled - they are currently handled globally by the WPS code (after the lines of text are drawn), so are drawn in the default viewport, not the individual viewports, which doesn't seem right... 10.33.11 # hmm, ok 10.33.20 Quit sbhsu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.33.41 # How about your patches? ;) 10.33.55 # the list one needs testers 10.34.12 # and the same bounds checking and parsing 10.34.41 # That could obviously be combined... 10.34.53 # yeah, course 10.35.24 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 10.40.57 Join TheBashar [0] (n=User@adsl-75-31-137-24.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) 10.41.40 # * GodEater reads pondlife posting to the mailling list 10.42.01 # you should have said you'd fix a bug for someone if they can best you at arm wrestling ;) 10.42.11 # No way 10.42.24 # It's bad enough trying to find time to fix my own bugs 10.42.25 # :D 10.43.12 # * gevaerts was just wondering if building a Tower of Rockbox counts a bricking the players involved 10.43.26 # If you use mortar, yes 10.43.39 # And a hod, of course 10.44.47 # * gevaerts prefers dry-stone towers 10.44.58 # You're a traditionalist then? 10.45.04 # linuxstb: oh, had any thoughts on what to do about scrolling lines not owned by the vp being drawn? 10.45.29 # JdGordon: They should still be scrolling away, surely 10.46.02 # pondlife: I want to "brick" my players without ruining them 10.47.05 # pondlife: and the ones which scroll overlaps the vp we are drawing? 10.47.22 # Hmm, viewports don't overlap 10.47.31 # I thought that was fundamental 10.48.04 # viewports != windows 10.48.20 # thats the point... they shouldnt 10.48.29 # think screen transitions 10.48.34 # JdGordon: There are cases where you don't want to stop all scrolling lines on the screen, just some? 10.48.50 # we dont want to have to kill scrolling lines in a screen at every exit point 10.49.01 # I'd think that whilst a vp is displayed, any contained scrolling lines should scroll. 10.49.14 # yeah, I want to add a function which just forcibly stops any lines which would be in the vp's area 10.49.20 # Why? 10.49.33 # pondlife: The case in my mind is "pop-up" menus - stop the scrolling lines underneath, but not clear the display. 10.49.45 # Ah, that involves overlap 10.49.52 # and going wps->lists 10.50.04 # pondlife: Yes, but not with "active" viewports... 10.50.15 # I thought we were excluding that sort of thing 10.50.15 # JdGordon: When wouldn't you want to stop all lines underneath? 10.50.26 # s/underneath/on the screen/ 10.51.07 # Hide the WPS viewports, then display the menu viewport 10.51.10 # JdGordon: If you go wps->lists, don't you just call lcd_clear_display() ? 10.51.39 # not unless we want to force the lists to use the whole screen 10.52.00 # Otherwise you end up with overlap and Z-order 10.52.10 # Which is out of scope, no? 10.52.24 # This isn't for pop-ups, is it? 10.52.26 # JdGordon: We _do_ want that - even if the list itself doesn't cover the whole screen, it should clear the previous contents (as it does now). 10.52.41 # It's more for a standardised status bar and better WPS margin control. 10.52.47 # * JdGordon thought we dont want that 10.52.51 # Or just call the function to stop _all_ scrolling lines. 10.52.59 # thats what I;m doing now 10.53.06 # No, keep any lines that are displayed scrolling, surely 10.53.11 # Why do you want to stop them? 10.53.29 # Because the screen underneath is no longer being updated 10.53.33 # e.g. the status bar becomes customisable and contains the track name. 10.53.38 # thats what I'm saying/..... we only want to stop lines which would get in the way of the currently active vp 10.53.39 # i.e. track info isn't being updated. 10.53.42 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955F298.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.53.54 # But you are displaying menus/WPS on the rest of the display... should not stop the status bar scrolling 10.54.01 # JdGordon: I would disagree - unless the wps is being updated, we should "freeze" it. 10.54.29 # wps isnt the only case here... its just the most obvious 10.54.37 # What are the other cases? 10.54.57 # Like I said above 10.55.02 # Status bar with scrolling 10.55.18 # * JdGordon doesnt tihnk statusbar will ever go wps-like 10.55.22 # Why not 10.55.32 # That would be the #1 benefit of viewports to me 10.56.09 # Without a standardised (and hence customisable) status bar, I wouldn't even worry about viewports. 10.56.14 # pondlife: I agree. 10.56.17 # * linuxstb needs to run 10.56.20 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 10.56.40 # The biggest problem with cabbiev2 is that sucky non-standard status icons 10.56.55 # I actually like them, but I want them standard. 10.57.42 # Imagine the menus etc having the status bar at the bottom, for example, using exactly the same code as on the WPS. 10.57.57 Join mchua [0] (n=mchua@cpe-66-65-114-204.nyc.res.rr.com) 10.58.08 # we dont actually need vp for that... but yes, that would be cool 10.58.16 Quit convil ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 10.58.32 # Well, I see vps as a way to carve up the available screen space (main and remote). That's about it. 10.58.48 # They are not windows and do not allow overlap or Z-order. 10.59.24 # correct 10.59.30 # then I'd like the possibility for the volume that you have in the current menu status bar - that it can switch to numeric while adjusting and when you leave it alone showing the icon again 10.59.42 # Of course 11.00.10 # I'd like all the current status bar info to be available as "WPS" tags. Stuff like disk indicator. 11.00.12 # that _may_ not be possible with a wps-like statusbar 11.00.21 # Why not? 11.00.23 # to pixelma 11.00.39 # it's currently not possible in the WPS but it should be 11.00.53 # A conditional to say when you are changing volume... 11.00.56 # * petur dreams of using the vp to split the recording screen into a fixed part with peakmeters and info, and a second scrollable part for volume/gain settings 11.01.09 # petur: Good idea 11.01.20 # * JdGordon has dreams of shattering petur's dreams :D 11.01.35 # But you';d want the menu text to continue scrolling (if required) at all times, right? 11.02.20 # I don't see why vp work should need to stop/start scrolling. It operates at a higher level than the scroll code, no? 11.02.36 # yes and no... 11.02.49 # Hmm, it must be above or below. 11.03.18 # Either the vp tells the scroll code to manage a line (like we do now). Or we redo it somehow. 11.03.22 # scrolling lines take the vp pointer, you can only stop all lines, or just lines which you know the vp pointer... the list code doesnt know the wps' (and vice verca) 11.03.23 # * petur sees vp as lower level, almost as displays within a display 11.03.27 # thats where the problem is 11.04.03 # When do we need to stop scrolling a line? 11.04.04 # scrolling <-> vp has a nasty interdependancy so you cant really say which is higher level 11.04.12 # You need to decide 11.04.18 # (Or somebody does.) 11.04.28 # when the wps has a line scrolling which is in an area which we now want to use for the list 11.04.50 Quit mchua ("Holy shiny distraction, Batman!") 11.05.07 # OK, so you remove the WPS vp, which cancels that scroll. Then you display the list vp. 11.05.18 # No need to artificially stop scrolling 11.05.23 Join joshin [0] (n=joshin@VDSL-130-13-243-154.PHNX.QWEST.NET) 11.06.04 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.06.06 # ah, but 1) we arnt definatly using the whole area (by using i mean stealing, not that its actually being drawn on), 2) stopping the wps scrolling at every exit point would be massive PITA 11.06.10 # and buggy 11.06.12 # and shite 11.06.27 # So you want to overlap vps 11.06.34 # no 11.06.53 # you have a top one which is being updated, and a bottom one which can still scroll but nothing else 11.07.04 # a nice statusbar would have the same problem 11.07.04 # top/bottom... thus Z-order! 11.07.07 # No 11.07.18 # They are in their own screen areas 11.07.23 # Never overlapping 11.07.26 # says who? 11.07.30 # they can move around 11.07.31 # In my model 11.07.40 # your model is wrong :D 11.07.42 # Yes , but not overlapping. 11.07.46 # I mean, movable 11.08.06 # I agree with petur too.. scrolling should be inside a viewport 11.08.09 # being able to set the x,y forces it to be movable 11.08.27 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 11.08.39 # * JdGordon points pondlife to scroll_engine.c to reomvve the interdepenacy 11.08.46 # After you! 11.08.57 # that still wouldnt fix the problem anyway 11.09.00 # But it's design notes we're lacking here, not code 11.09.31 # it would still need either the list vp to know about all other vp's, or have each one tell the engine when it exits 11.10.37 # The scroll engine is used from the VP code. When a VP wants a line to scroll, it asks the engine to handle it. When the VP is hidden, it tells the scroll engine to stop. 11.11.14 # No VP needs to know about other VPs 11.11.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.11.30 # But they must be positioned so they don't overlap 11.12.00 # ok, if this doesnt get my point home nothing will.... (wall of text coming....) 11.12.05 # OR if you must overlap, we have a call to tell a VP to stop refreshing 11.12.17 # (and another to resume) 11.12.39 # we have the list code done correctly (drawing and logic in 2 seperate functions)... the list is taking up the whole screen 11.12.56 # one or more items are scrolling 11.13.50 # now, the user hits play so we need to load the wps. we need to tell the scroll engine to stop scrolling our lines, but we cant.. they are local to another function/file/hacky to get to them 11.14.00 # we also need to do this every time the display changes 11.14.05 # its just not nice 11.14.25 # the alternative is in the new screen say "dont let anything scroll in my margin" 11.14.33 # boom, no stray lines 11.14.41 # follow? 11.15.05 # Yes, but the transition from menu to WPS needs to be handled by the outer code anyway. It just tells the menu to hide, then displays the WPS. I don't think that's complicated or not nice. 11.15.20 # The menu hides, and hence scrolling is stopped 11.15.35 # Each bit of display code is self-contained 11.15.39 # it doesnt hide... the display gets erased 11.15.48 # No, it hides 11.15.55 # The status bar remains, for example 11.16.34 # Think of each vp as a separate display 11.16.51 # no it doesnt... scrolling is the only thing on the display which happens "automatically" everything else is static unless something changes the display 11.17.09 # ? 11.17.47 # The scrolling thread will be told to stop a particular bit of scrolling as part of the "hides". 11.17.56 # by who? 11.18.01 # The vp 11.18.05 # which? 11.18.17 # Whichever! The menu, the WPS, the status bar 11.18.39 # Whichever vp asked for the scrolling text in the first place. 11.18.56 # ok, how does it know to stop the lines? 11.18.57 # Bear in mind, this is nothing to do with the current code 11.19.04 # Because it's been told to hide. 11.19.22 # So, as part of that, it tidies up after itself 11.19.23 # arg... i cant do this over irc 11.19.43 # what? hit him? 11.19.49 # :) 11.19.51 # hehe 11.19.53 # Ow 11.20.02 # He Can do that over IRC :) 11.20.07 # * petur defends pondlife 11.20.55 # ok, so in your idea the display would be split up... so who is to say that pressing menu from the wps would actually need to hide any of the wps? 11.20.59 # I'm trying to say - we need a clean design first. One in which each vp is self-contained... and without worrying about the current code too much. 11.20.59 # if the vp is told to hide, can't it notify the scrolling thread to stop all lines involved with the vp 11.21.14 # Exactly 11.21.19 # there is no notion of hiding though 11.21.41 # JdGordon: Or, if you want a static WPS behind the menu, the hide doesn't need to erase. 11.21.44 # only one vp can ever be being drawn at once so thats the active one, all others are disabled/hidden/static 11.21.52 # Why? 11.22.17 # because the gui code is all handled by the one thread 11.22.18 # I'd like to see the user using a menu while the status bar updates. 11.22.42 # the status bar only updates because we call statusbar_draw() in every button loop 11.22.52 # * JdGordon has already coded a simple WM to handle just that 11.23.00 # Well that will continue.. i.e. it'll loop through the VPs 11.23.19 # But "hidden" ones won't draw 11.23.22 # yes, which means either z-order comes into play, or something else 11.23.29 # Something else 11.23.35 # i.e. no overlap 11.23.49 # no, your right, vp's will be marked hidden there, but the WM cant stop the scrolling 11.23.58 # WM? 11.24.00 # * gevaerts rotates his coordinate system to get rid of z-order 11.24.13 # VP-manager 11.24.18 # Why not? 11.24.26 # The existing scroll code will need reworking 11.24.44 # * JdGordon has a sneeking feeling you are agreeing with me 11.24.51 # No 11.25.06 # you are, you just dont know it :D 11.25.18 # I don't see why anything OTHER than a vp would manage scrolling within itself. 11.25.44 # because the scrolling lines could be in 15 different vp's under a "parent" 11.25.53 # which is how the lists in my patch are done 11.25.59 # s/15/3 11.26.15 # I'm not interested in code yet. Just design. 11.26.16 # and ONLY the drawing code for that vp knows about it 11.26.30 # Parent? 11.26.52 # ... you gonna be round in 2 hours? 11.26.56 # Maybe 11.27.04 # mind if we pick this up later? 11.27.08 # * JdGordon has very impatient fridns 11.27.09 # JdGordon: You should head over to London on Thursday :) 11.27.12 # OK 11.28.13 # bassically the user says draw the list in some rectangle. the list itself is made up of 4 or 5 vp's of which 2 have scrolling content, only gui/bitmap/list.c has access to those vps, but the drawing code is not renentered to tell it to stop drawing... it jusst doesnt get called 11.28.17 # * JdGordon goned 11.28.48 # * pixelma is somehow reminded of DevCon when amiconn tried to explain his vp ideas 11.29.22 Join webguest94 [0] (n=8602720d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c16b4faef3be0f5f) 11.29.30 # I think I need amiconn to help me.... 11.30.18 # Viewports should never overlap, so I don't see a problem 11.30.23 # I think part of it also was about this scrolling problem but we all had a hard time understanding it (I didn't understand which is why I'm not sure) 11.30.33 # I just want to end up with a well structure (and API'd) bit of code. 11.30.50 # s/structure/structured 11.32.39 # Active viewports, that is. So the z-order and scrolling problem simply does not exist 11.33.35 # amiconn: So I think we agree... When I said "hide" I probably meant "disable" or "become inactive". 11.36.02 # I proposed viewports as a means to simplify screen layout. One element (e.g. the list) shouldn't have to care whether other elements like the statusbar or scrollbar are visible, and how much space these elements take away 11.37.03 # There would be an top layer that divides the physical screens up into viewports, but once that is done, they are independant? 11.37.06 # Of course viewports can be subdivided further, e.g. the list could subdivide its viewport into one for the title, one for scrollbar,and another one for the main part of the list 11.38.06 # This makes it easier to truly support rtl languages - just swap the scrollbar and main list viewports horizontally for proper scrollbar placement 11.38.12 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se) 11.38.22 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 11.38.37 # Yes, so a vp can be withiin another vp, but the parent one doesn't draw anything? 11.38.40 # Of course the text alignment would also have to be swapped, but that becomes easier as well 11.39.10 # Exactly. If there are any "sub"-Viewports, the parent must not be used for drawing. 11.39.33 # So no contention. 11.40.10 # It will also make colouring, theming etc easier 11.41.02 # Each viewport stores a set of attributes (foreground colour, background colour, draw mode, font, and perhaps later also font style, whether the backdrop should be used etc) 11.46.42 Join wisp_sh [0] (n=wisp@acct.icf.org.ru) 11.46.50 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.54.34 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@77-99-112-231.cable.ubr16.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 12.08.19 Join bruges [0] (n=bruges@e178047077.adsl.alicedsl.de) 12.12.50 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@dhcp-163-1-207-183.seh.ox.ac.uk) 12.14.43 # Hmm, in the sim a database update appears to open database_idx.tcd about 20 times for each track... 12.14.52 Quit actionshrimp (Client Quit) 12.15.23 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@dhcp-163-1-207-183.seh.ox.ac.uk) 12.16.17 # Sorry, I think it's for every track. e.g. http://www.pastebin.ca/927551 12.16.44 Part actionshrimp 12.19.23 # wow 12.20.00 # ouch 12.20.06 # why do we have to reopen the file for every track? 12.23.34 # Bagder, LinusN: maybe there guys could help us get a place to hold the DevconEuro2008 (if it's in Berlin) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base 12.24.54 # markun: you could also nag amiconn a bit to ask... ;) 12.25.46 # hehe 12.26.10 # pixelma: do you guys know some other places where we could do it? 12.26.40 # pixelma: he's not one of those 300 members, is he? 12.28.45 # no. But from what I know amiconn's work place would be a good location too (maybe not meeting on friday though) 12.29.58 # I'm not sure I want to visit a space station for a DevCon... 12.30.25 # Mind you, I've already been up the Fersehturm. 12.30.32 # haha, this c-base even seems to not be far away from it.. 12.30.38 # Fernsehturm, even 12.30.50 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c13cc.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 12.31.01 # pondlife: that's also not far away ;) 12.31.32 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.32.03 # pondlife: I missed the HD by 15 minutes :/ 12.32.11 # now I need to go get it at the post office 12.32.16 # Joy joy joy 12.32.36 # Let's hope the post office isn't heavy-handed, or full of hammers 12.32.45 # indeed 12.32.51 # plus, I need to wait till tomorrow 12.33.11 # I await your report... 12.34.57 # you'll have it on your desk by tomorrow afternoon ;) 12.37.54 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 12.40.26 # A large number of my MP3s give the warning "Warning: skipping 417 bytes of garbage" too. 12.40.31 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 12.40.43 # They all play fine, so I wonder what the "garbage" is? 12.41.15 # Should all be ID3v2 only... 12.47.02 # pondlife: you could try running something like mp3val on them and see what that has to say 12.48.02 # * pondlife downloads 12.49.58 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279529889.dsl.bell.ca) 12.51.28 # WARNING: "m:\I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue\In Search Of Mornington Crescent\01 Opening.mp3" (offset 0x40a): MPEG stream error, resynchronized successfully 12.51.41 # So, something is wrong... 12.51.51 # But OT 12.52.50 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@barry-workstation.ucd.ie) 12.54.20 # * gevaerts seems to have some of the same tracks as pondlife 12.54.52 # sounds like a good track to own 12.54.55 # But presumably not with the same corruption 12.55.06 # * pondlife will re-rip 12.57.16 # Actually, I seem to have misplaced those files so I'll have to re-rip as well 13.00.02 Join ze_ [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 13.01.07 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 13.01.57 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.01.58 Nick ze_ is now known as ze (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 13.04.22 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@85.72.190.175) 13.05.20 # off-topic: does anyone have experience with mod_perl and can answer a few questions in pm? 13.11.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.22.37 Quit gevaerts (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.23.50 # pondlife: the "skipping garbage" warning is often the result of wrongly padded ID3 tags, where the padding is placed after the tag, before the audio 13.24.33 # Hmm, I only use EAC, The Godfather and Foobar2000... I'd hope they all get it right. 13.24.57 # Rockbox doesn't ever write tags does it (for ratings)? 13.25.58 # I thought Rockbox's ratings are stored in a database file 13.28.01 # I thought so too 13.28.04 # Just checking 13.28.09 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-153.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 13.28.38 # * gevaerts senses more need for infrastructure work... 13.29.20 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet18.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.31.26 # To handl removable drives (like the sansa microSD slot) properly from the USB stack, the sd driver needs to let the usb storage driver know about plugging and unplugging. This is probably best done using the existing thread-message queues. We'll probably need some general way to pass through events to usb class drivers. 13.31.40 # This needs more thinking... 13.31.47 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.34.59 # There should be a broadcast event sent on plug and unplug 13.35.18 # SYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED and SYS_HOTSWAP_EXTRACTED 13.35.23 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 13.36.14 Join whoever_ [0] (n=whoever@84-74-55-11.dclient.hispeed.ch) 13.36.22 # hello together 13.36.35 # I have a question in a WSP-File 13.36.45 # (sorry, WPS:)) 13.36.59 # Just ask 13.37.11 # I want to write the first line in Blake font, the other lines in white 13.37.19 # black? 13.37.20 # how is this possible? (sorry for my enlish;)) 13.37.24 # sorry:) 13.37.25 # yes:) 13.37.54 # whoever_: It currently isn't, but will be when an improvement known as viewports is included 13.38.20 # how long could this take:)? 13.38.24 # amiconn: That's probably the easy part (although it seems that those are sent only if the fs is mounted successfully, so maybe that will need some work). The "problem" is getting this event to the storage driver (which doesn't have its own event loop). It's easy to get an ad-hoc solution for this of course, but I'd like to do it cleanly 13.38.46 # whoever_ Are both lines information (i.e. song title or artist), and not just fixed, i.e. "Now Playing"? 13.39.14 # No, because then I would create a picture:)! I want to write the time down:) 13.39.18 # whoever_: And viewports will be done when it is done :), no estimate is available I'm afraid 13.39.40 # whoever_: OK, just asking in case you hadn't thought of the picture route 13.39.52 # * gevaerts sometimes feels that this usb work will never be done 13.39.59 # whoever_: There is a patch for viewports in the WPS you could try 13.40.05 # gevaerts: If they are only sent on fs mount, the implementation is buggy 13.40.37 # BigBambi, where can I found it? 13.40.45 # Mentioned event *should* be sent on physical plug/unplug (on Ondio they are). When the filesystem is mounted/unmounted, the SYS_FS_CHANGED event should be fired 13.40.48 # Sorry, I'm not so good in rockbox and co:) 13.41.02 # whoever_: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8385 13.41.29 # You will need to patch the source code then compile rockbox 13.41.52 # does anyone know when the get_more callback of pcm_play_data is called? can the same buffer be overwritten on next callback or could it still be playing? 13.42.15 # BigBambi, oh puh - I think I don't touch my rockbox;), then I wait:) 13.42.23 # OK :) 13.42.42 # but thanks a lot;), I found the possabilitiy with %V, but on my rockbox it didn't work, so I came to this IRC:) 13.42.53 # No problem. 13.43.33 # amiconn: it calls disk_mount(), and broadcasts SYS_HOTSWAP_* if that returns non-zero. 13.43.42 # Meh, why are the 2 hotswap implementations so different :( 13.43.48 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c210-49-113-143.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.43.56 # BigBambi, But with the viewport: do you think that takes Weeks, Months or Years:)? 13.44.18 # gevaerts: That's clearly *not* how it was meant to be. Compare this with the ata_mmc.c driver (used on Ondio) 13.44.43 # whoever_: I really don't know - rockbox is written by volunteers in their spare time, so whenever someone both wants to do it and has the time, it will be done 13.45.04 # ok:) 13.45.06 # thanks:) 13.45.27 # whoever_: I suspect if one of our gurus sat down to do it, it would take days, but that relies on a) one of them wanting to do it, and b) having the spare time 13.45.40 # whoever_: No problem, keep your fingers crossed :) 13.45.54 # days as in not long, not litterally days of work 13.46.26 # amiconn: I'll look into it tonight. I need to get back to work now. 13.46.39 # * BigBambi too has to do some work :/ 13.47.51 # * gevaerts really starts to suspect a conspiracy to make him clean up lots of code 13.48.04 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.48.18 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.49.19 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 13.49.50 # amiconn: damn, gevaerts is on to us ;-) 13.51.32 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.106) 13.51.52 # * preglow performs the gevaerts appreciation dance 13.52.05 # ah, that's a rare beauty 13.52.14 # hehe 13.52.17 # yeah, been practicing for days 14.05.43 # Is anyone intending to review and commit the MOD codec? 14.06.19 # * linuxstb excuses himself as he doesn't have any mod files 14.06.48 Join webguest18 [0] (n=5b4ca593@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-875c23c47d1517c7) 14.07.10 Join vcf [0] (n=5b4ca593@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b75d03eb6153f363) 14.07.10 Quit webguest18 (Client Quit) 14.08.03 # markun hi 14.09.09 # lets wait rika enters 14.10.13 Join rika [0] (n=5767b95d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1a78be72b9f51d50) 14.10.26 # hi markun 14.10.50 # rika hi!but its not markun 14.11.30 # than who? O_O 14.11.35 Join kslater [0] (n=kslater@24.svnf1.xdsl.nauticom.net) 14.11.35 # rika wait a bit 14.11.53 # * rika out to smoke, 10min 14.12.00 # рика это vcf.мракун ща придёт 14.12.53 # vcf: please no russion and no repeating 14.12.57 # russian 14.13.24 # ok! 14.13.41 # rika where are you? 14.14.41 Quit vcf ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.15.34 Join vcf [0] (n=5b4ca593@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9c9fd39c35ffcbca) 14.19.33 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 14.19.44 # here now 14.20.50 # that is great))) 14.20.56 # rika: hi, did you see my PM? 14.21.44 # no i havent notice about it( 14.22.29 # rika: there is a little tab at the bottom of your screen with "markun" in it 14.22.52 # oh yes :) (i never used web irc) 14.22.57 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 14.25.06 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 14.29.22 Quit rika ("CGI:IRC") 14.29.24 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ebc2e2fb74afc3df) 14.32.44 # Is CanonInteger a real name? 14.32.58 # Or is it IntegerCanon? 14.33.11 # * LambdaCalculus37 shrugs 14.33.18 # Sounds more like a printer to me. 14.33.21 # EpsonFractional ;) 14.33.46 # DotMatrix. :) 14.34.02 # gevaerts: so, is there anything else holding us back from enabling UMS on H10 by default? 14.34.23 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 14.34.29 # DorothyMatrix 14.35.10 # LinusN: I see a delay on the H300 backlight too. If you set it always on, and off on hold, it's very obvious 14.35.32 # barrywardell: probably not much, but I'd like to wait a few days (maybe while providing some unofficial builds) to let the code stabilize a bit 14.36.26 # gevaerts: sure. I'll keep testing myself and see if I come across any remaining problems 14.36.27 # pondlife: Hold doesn't send events, so you'll see half the polling delay on average. That's normal 14.36.44 # I thought it used to be much faster though 14.36.52 # It takes 1-2 seconds 14.36.55 # * gevaerts started on this to get his c250 working, and with this sansa ata driver bug it looks like that will be the last to be enabled... 14.37.13 # There's still the signal quality problem 14.37.58 # That too. I'll probably do the tests in about half an hour. Hopefully they tell us something useful (like if full speed is clean) 14.38.09 # * pondlife wonders if the sim should support upside down displays... 14.39.03 # I have a last question. In my WPS, I want to display the picture from the album (from the TAG)! this is %C|0|25|75|75| now, but there is e error, but why? when is there a error? 14.39.07 # amiconn: for me it can take up to 3 seconds after pushing a button until backlight comes on 14.41.09 # whoever_: What do you mean by "error" ? What happens? 14.41.12 # or could help, if I do a %?C ? 14.41.20 # n1s: Did anyone FS it yet? 14.41.23 # it changes to the default theme 14.41.28 # (to linuxstb ) 14.41.48 # pondlife: don't think so 14.41.51 # n1s: Any special options enabled? That seems to be yet another of those bugs I'm not experiencing at all... 14.42.21 # linuxstb, should I paste the full WPS-File? 14.42.33 # whoever_: Yes, that may help - that line looks fine. 14.42.43 # don't paste it here though 14.42.59 # whoever_: Paste it to http://pastebin.ca 14.43.17 # http://endtable.net/paste/c7251c64.html 14.43.20 # oh sorry:) 14.43.26 # that'll do :) 14.43.29 # amiconn, pondlife: the reason I haven't FS:ed it yet is that it's not consistent and I haven't had time to check what makes it happen etc.. 14.44.25 # linuxstb, there are no empty lines between the pictures in the beginning. 14.44.37 # and - when I clean the line with the picture, it works:) 14.44.44 # LinusN: maybe I replied a little too fast in the forum, I guess I should have said I knew about the bug... 14.45.33 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A482B.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.47.35 # linuxstb, do you see an error? (I have the iAudio X5)! perhaps with the coordinates? 14.49.59 # whoever_: Nothing obvious, although does your WPS have all those blank lines? Are you saying it works if you remove the line? 14.50.32 # yes, it works when i remove the line %C.... 14.50.53 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 14.51.10 # Are you using the UI simulator? 14.51.31 # linuxstb, for me there are two possabilitys: first: the coorinates are incompatibel, perhaps a Text-line has the error with the picture. the second: what happend, when there is no picture in the tag? is there an error? 14.51.41 # no, i wrote this in my text-editor 14.51.59 # I mean testing it in the UI simulator? 14.52.08 # no 14.52.11 # should i:)? 14.53.38 # But i have ubuntu 14.55.33 Quit DaCapn (Remote closed the connection) 14.56.02 # linuxstb: i'm planning on checking the codec out, but don't know when i'll do so 14.57.19 # linuxstb, how can I test there my Theme? because I don't know, how to install the theme under this emulation 14.58.13 # whoever_: Do you compile Rockbox yourself, or download pre-built binaries? 14.58.47 # I download it from http://build.rockbox.org/ 14.59.00 # (to linuxstb ) 14.59.19 Part LinusN 15.00.09 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 15.00.12 # whoever_: Ah, I think you need to use l|0|0|.... - to load the image, and then use "" by itself later in the WPS 15.00.27 # * linuxstb wonders where his % C went 15.00.47 # That should be % C l 15.00.50 # (no spaces) 15.00.58 # oh sorry linuxstb , i don't understand everything 15.01.17 # i shout use there %Cl|0|25|75|75|? 15.01.22 # Yes 15.01.41 # and you say " and then use "" by itself later in the WPS" - i don't understand it (I'm german:)) 15.02.40 # what have I to do? 15.03.13 # Add a line to the end of your .wps file, just containing "" 15.03.23 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("This computer has gone to sleep") 15.03.56 # ok, with this "", oder just a blank line? 15.03.58 # I meant "% C" (no space 15.05.03 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.05.03 Quit BigBambi ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.05.13 Join BigBambi [0] (n=86ceaf37@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 15.05.20 # ok, i try:) 15.05.33 Quit webguest94 ("CGI:IRC") 15.06.36 # barrywardell: Odd... 15.07.01 # amiconn: are you referring to my commit? 15.07.35 # I remember that being a problem with power_off() in the past too 15.07.48 # hmm... linuxstb , there are no pictures:( - but now the design works 15.08.42 Quit vcf ("CGI:IRC") 15.10.11 # just the picture is not there:( 15.10.12 # barrywardell: Yes. It's odd that this problem simply doesn't exist on PP5002 15.10.46 # And poweroff is a different situation - the power doesn't vanish immediately 15.11.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.15.28 # linuxstb, have you an idea, why there is no picture? everything is okay, but there are no pictures:( 15.16.04 # linuxstb, perhaps because the most are JPEGS, not BMP, I'll try it :) 15.16.11 # thank you:) 15.17.24 Quit crope` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.17.38 # amiconn: the problem is probably mostly related to the as3514, which only the sansas have 15.18.05 Quit maddler (Remote closed the connection) 15.18.26 Join maddler [0] (n=maddler@cabbage.komputika.net) 15.19.34 Join crope` [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-184-115.psoas.suomi.net) 15.20.59 # barrywardell: When a reset signal is asserted, the cpu shouldn't continue processing the old instruction stream. That's not AS3514 specific 15.21.21 # But there *is* that reboot inconsistency on PP502x - and it's not sansa specific 15.23.43 # whoever_: Yes, you can only use bmps... 15.23.48 # amiconn: ah, ok. I thought the main problem was with the i2c write going wrong and the while after reboot is just an extra precaution 15.24.38 # linuxstb, and i have to copy them in the direcotrie, thanks alot 15.24.49 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 15.25.10 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 15.31.13 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.31.32 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 15.31.56 # I have some signal quality results. I couldn't test high speed properly, because for some reason the test mode still doesn't work, and the alternative plan of getting a device descriptor and looking at that didn't work because it comes bac too late (can be improved by moving this back to the interrupt handler for test purposes) 15.31.59 Join nicktast1que [0] (n=nick@c-67-165-66-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 15.32.08 # The good news is that full speed signal quality looks fine 15.32.15 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 15.33.41 Join oldbull [0] (n=d4f23d75@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-326426282b0e3299) 15.36.31 # linuxstb: I at least plan to test the new mod codec (and comment back in the tracker) with the few files I have here. Don't think I'll commit it though 15.37.02 # oops, can i cancel a commit? or commit a reverted version? 15.37.10 # Q (scanned the site for answer to this a while ago, so please have mercy if this is answered somewhere else): why is it that I cannot find a partition table for my 20gb 3rd gen ipod? 15.37.21 # barrywardell: I think you can only commit the reverse... 15.37.48 Join parafin|away [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 15.37.55 # oldbull: Simply because no-one has volunteered one... 15.38.16 # oldbull: Which OS are you running on your computer? 15.38.37 # linuxstb: linux (ubuntu feisty) 15.38.47 # * gevaerts notices that the build screen is all green with just a tiny yellow line 15.39.45 # oldbull: Then you can manually partition according to this page - http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_without_iTunes 15.41.01 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 15.41.02 # oldbull: I would use the command-line fdisk program, rather than anything graphical (which may not be able to handle the "empty" partition needed) 15.41.13 # n1s: about the backlight taking so long sometimes - IIRC jhMikeS said here that there is a priority problem now or something like that, but for me it's not obvious at all. 15.41.34 # linuxstb: thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try 15.41.38 # gevaerts: at least some good came of my messed up commit ;) 15.41.43 # pixelma: it's not consistent for me either... 15.42.29 # but sometimes it's really noticeable, like I push a button and it takes so long to turn on that I think I have enabled hold... 15.44.11 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-91edf0e9d1ff8919) 15.44.22 Join perrikp [0] (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a94ef432744c28e9) 15.45.11 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 15.47.27 Quit parafin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.47.37 Quit daurn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.48.22 Quit nicktastic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.48.36 Nick nicktast1que is now known as nicktastic (n=nick@c-67-165-66-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 15.49.05 # linuxstb: noob as I am, how big should I make the firmware partition? 15.50.48 # oldbull: I think it comes from the factory at about 40MB on the earlier ipods - see the example partition layouts near the end of that page I linked to - the 4G 20GB layout should work for you. 15.51.26 # linuxstb: ok, thanks 15.53.26 # * gevaerts seems to have bought an ipod video now 15.54.07 # gevaerts: Do you know which type (5th or 5.5th gen)? 15.54.22 # linuxstb: no. It is 30G and black 15.54.35 # Then I think it could be either. 15.54.48 # gevaerts: Can you read the serial number on the back of it? 15.55.11 # LambdaCalculus37: not yet. I expect I'll get it in my hands sometime this week 15.55.37 # gevaerts: Okay. When you get it, we can identify if it's a 5G or a 5.5G by the serial number. 15.56.10 # linuxstb: fdisk tells me that the ipod doesn't contain any known partition table (it was formatted with itunes+os x).. hence I don 15.57.29 # barrywardell: at least now we know what the expected final delta will be when usb will be enabled 15.58.18 # linuxstb: continued :) : and it has created a new partition table for me, alas I cannot delete any partions... would it be safe to continue the steps anyway? just want to be 100% sure, as I have no (easy) way to restore my ipod if this doesn't work 15.59.14 # linuxstb: there ARE stupid questions.. please ignore me, I fell in an irrational hole 15.59.29 # gevaerts: yes, for H10 and e200 anyway. It's an impressive delta too! 15.59.48 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 16.00.05 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.00.18 # oldbull: Can I just check, if you type "fdisk -v", what is displayed? (there are different fdisks around...) 16.00.49 # linuxstb: fdisk (util-linux-ng 2.13) 16.01.15 # oldbull: That's the right answer :) So yes, you can create a new partition table, and then create the two required partitions. This should work... 16.01.31 # linuxstb: I'll give it a try... 16.01.42 # oldbull: I'm assuming it was HFS (Macpod) before? 16.03.16 # * amiconn doesn't see a delta... 16.03.32 # * pixelma guesses that was the joke... 16.05.30 # Indeed. Basically the only effect of USE_ROCKBOX_USB right now is to reboot instead of switching to UMS mode, but all code is already there. If we want to, it would be trivial to replace that #ifdef by a debug menu setting. 16.06.14 # * gevaerts reversed something in that line... 16.06.37 # linuxstb: yeah 16.08.56 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 16.12.13 Nick perrikp is now known as perrikwp (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a94ef432744c28e9) 16.12.32 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@aauw77.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16.16.32 # linuxstb: worked well, but somehow my ipod restarted, and now only shows the "disconnect cable" symbol, before it goes blank again.. cannot seem to enter disk mode. 16.18.04 # linuxstb: pointed the firmware directly to the sdc1 (in my situation) partition 16.20.30 # * oldbull researches possible solutions 16.25.54 # hi together, can somebody explain me, what "%CfFFFFFF%s%t5%al%?ia" in the WPS-file dos? the question ist just about the "%CfFFFFFF"? 16.26.08 # what does it means? 16.26.51 # well, my ipod is in fact diplaying "connect cable" symbol, and then goes blank... no matter if my cable is connected or not.. weird 16.28.39 # oldbull: I think it's trying to update the firmware in flash, and telling you to attach the wall charger. 16.31.43 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.33.09 # linuxstb: that worked, but I had to replace "wall charger" (which I for some pure logical reason which I cannot explain in detail) with my powerbook, booting from an installation cd as the hd has crashed.. this linux box has no firewire port... :-) 16.33.33 # *add point that the wall charger was thrown away* 16.33.46 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 16.34.09 # linuxstb: anyway, thanks a million.. now, how can I upload my partition table for others to use? 16.38.15 Quit gregzx (Connection timed out) 16.41.19 # oldbull: "dd if=/dev/sdc1 of=mbr-2g20gb.bin count=1" 16.41.50 # Sorry, I meant /dev/sdc (not /dev/sdc1) 16.43.31 Quit wisp_sh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.44.18 # linuxstb: and 3g20gb.bin I presume... 16.44.30 # any objections against moving bitswap.S and descramble.S into target/sh? amiconn? 16.45.06 # oldbull: Oops, thought you said you had a 2nd gen... 16.45.26 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.146) 16.45.36 # Actually mbr-3g-20gb.bin would be consistent with the other filenames. 16.47.48 Quit knittl (Remote closed the connection) 16.47.49 # linuxstb: aight, it is done.. should I send it to you? 16.48.06 # Do you have any web space to host it? Otherwise you can email to me. 16.48.33 # linuxstb: I would prefer email 16.50.13 # oldbull: Check your PMs... 16.50.52 # linuxstb: check your email ;-) 16.52.38 # Thanks ;). Bagder - could you put this file on the download server? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mbr-3g-20gb.bin 16.55.04 # ah, finally, wisdom once again conquers technology 16.55.31 # well, I get an "undefined instruction" error upon rebooting into rockbox... 16.56.12 # jhMikeS: Did you see this claim?: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15760.msg117784;topicseen#msg117784 16.57.06 Quit desowin (Excess Flood) 16.57.15 # oldbull: At what stage? 16.57.26 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 16.57.41 # guess that's the current 1st-3rd gen Ipod problem... 16.57.53 # n1s: If you do that, descramble.S should go one level deeper, into target/sh/archos 16.58.09 # amiconn: ok, will commit with that change 16.58.13 # pixelma: I thought that was always a freeze? 16.58.14 # linuxstb: "undefined instruction at 00045AA0 (0)" with the rockbox logo in the downright corner... it also comes with (1), without the logo 16.58.15 # * linuxstb spots amiconn... 16.58.31 # linuxstb: that's the only thing I see.. 16.58.40 # amiconn: oldbull has a 3rd gen - is this the "usual" problem? 16.58.44 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 16.59.20 # yes 16.59.49 # oldbull: OK, so you've hit a known issue - the only solution is to keep trying older builds until you find one that works. 17.00.02 # (no need to change the bootloader - just the rockbox.zip) 17.00.25 # linuxstb: allright! thanks :-) 17.00.35 # linuxstb: Is that an alignment issue? 17.00.36 # linuxstb: no, it shows different symptoms from freeze at Rockbox logo, data aborts etc. -here's an example list http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14228.msg106755#msg106755 (a bit old though) 17.00.50 # Or build yourself and put a number of 'nop's into main.c. The correct number is determined by experimentaion (0 to 3) 17.01.08 # amiconn: Hmm, any idea what's misaligned? 17.01.54 # Not yet. I need to perform a binsearch where the 'nop' placement stops having an effect 17.01.58 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 17.02.01 Quit argumentD (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.02.35 # pondlife: seen Lear's new patch in the tracker (the 2 seconds problem)? 17.02.44 # pixelma: Not yet :) 17.02.56 # Ah, you mean the end of playlist one 17.03.12 # I thought you meant the LCD backlight takes 2 seconds one 17.03.19 # Yes, I've tried it and it works 17.03.36 # I could commit, but thought it might be nicer to let Lear do that 17.04.28 # yes, I meant the end of playlist one. I only tested if it stops correctly now, nothing else and it works correctly for me too 17.04.54 # Me too. I don't use bookmarks, so can't be sure about that 17.05.12 # same here 17.05.51 # amiconn: Do you think it likely that the odd noises some users are hearing on crossfade (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8651) could be caused by PortalPlayer CPU frequency switching? Or is that unlikely? 17.06.53 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.07.39 # I don't think so. It rather sounds like the same issue as keyclick on pp 17.07.54 # linuxstb: working now.. thanks a lot for the help :-) 17.07.57 # There must be something wrong in pcm handling (dual core related??) 17.08.28 # Is scrobbling broken recently? Or will I need to investigate what's going on? 17.08.56 # amiconn: Ah, yes - dual-core... 17.09.10 # rasher: Probably worth you checking. 17.09.19 # rasher: it worked last time I used it (yesterday) 17.10.04 # hmmm build might have been a few days old 17.10.30 # rasher: If you do check, please could you try with the patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8675 too 17.10.49 # That will be committed soon, I expect 17.11.28 # Also, anyone know if gather runtime data is still broken? (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8529) 17.11.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.12.03 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.12.08 # pondlife: The link to FS #8529 404'd. 17.12.24 # not here 17.12.29 # Ah. the closing bracket got caught 17.13.12 # depends on the IRC client then 17.13.19 # Could logf break scrobbling perhaps? 17.14.55 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.14.55 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 17.16.41 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.16.54 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 17.20.38 # oh yeah, icons in rockbox site navigation bar o/ 17.24.01 Quit linuxstb ("Client Exiting") 17.30.30 Nick hcs is now known as hcslogbo1 (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 17.30.52 Nick hcslogbo1 is now known as hcs (n=agashlin@ool-43518c2b.dyn.optonline.net) 17.31.20 # rasher: I would hope logf would not affect anything much 17.31.44 # Is it a normal behaviour on H10 20gb, that when pressing a key while the backlight is off there's a delay of one or two seconds before the backlight turns on again? 17.32.21 # pondlife: things seem to work fine now. 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It doesn't seem to work with logf 17.37.18 # Unphew 17.37.40 # I'd suspect something else. logf doesn't even spin up the disk... 17.38.00 # Might be just intermittent? 17.38.22 # Well I can't say that for sure of course 17.40.30 Join webguest33 [0] (n=d9c70784@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-453ce342afbac5f5) 17.41.13 Quit gevaerts ("work->home") 17.41.13 Quit petur ("sport time") 17.42.48 Quit whoever_ ("Bin dann mal weg - allen noch 'nen schönen Tag") 17.43.41 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-114-251.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 17.43.54 Quit tchan (SendQ exceeded) 17.44.14 # no 17.44.15 Join wisp_sh [0] (n=wisp@node-29-1.adsl.tula.net) 17.44.17 # oops 17.44.20 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 17.44.29 # * GodEater looks for the "delete chat lines in the wrong channel" key 17.44.36 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 17.45.30 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 17.53.09 Quit webguest33 ("CGI:IRC") 17.55.13 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnc005.ugent.be) 17.58.32 Quit BigBambi ("CGI:IRC") 18.00.14 # pondlife: It seems pretty consistent - switching back and forth between logf and non-logf builds breaks and unbreaks scrobbling 18.00.27 # Wow 18.00.39 # Good luck in working that one out 18.01.58 Quit ender` (" Q: What's another name for the "Intel Inside" sticker they put on Pentiums 4? 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(I'm posting fixing recording on PP to the GSoc wiki page) 18.46.21 # Davide-NYC: Hey there! 18.46.25 # I tried to resize it, but I get problems with transparency. 18.46.32 # Oi! 18.46.51 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.47.14 # Davide-NYC: Recording seems to work on the Sansa (my c240 makes for a good voice dictator), but I don't think it's working very well on the iPods or the H10. 18.47.43 # Last time I checked it worked pretty well on my H10/20GB 18.47.44 # CAn you change bitrate, samplerate, channels? Can you encode to a variety of formats? 18.48.14 # Let me dig my c240 out. 18.48.57 # Saratoga said there are still issues and I don;t own a PP target. 18.49.19 # My Sansa allows me to record to MP3, WavPack, AIFF, and WAV. 18.49.19 Join PaulJam [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCF082.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.49.21 # I can adjust all these settings on my H10 18.49.40 # I can as well on my Sansa. 18.49.54 # bitrate, samplerate, channels? What about AGC? 18.50.08 # Arathis: AGC on your H10? 18.50.34 # No sign of AGC on the c240. 18.51.24 # Can you guys confirm or deny the statement on the wiki (iPodStatus) about the status of recording on these targets? 18.51.41 # AGC depends on the gain steps the recording hardware can give, so its not possible on all players.. 18.51.47 # LambdaCalculus37: the sansas also have a hardware limitation (sample rate) the other PP don't have 18.52.17 # pixelma: Ah, thanks for pointing that out for me. :) 18.52.59 # Davide-NYC: Going into the recording screen on the iPod does break playback, requiring a reset with MENU+SELECT. 18.53.11 # Basically, all of the recording work done for the coldfire targets should be done for PP targets. (within hardware limitations of course) 18.53.25 # Davide-NYC: IMHO fixing bugs isn't suited as a gsoc project (iiuc recording works on at least some ipods but they need to be restarted afterwards) 18.53.25 # due to the AMS chip, jhMikeS said that with lots of optimisation it *might* be possible to get 32kHZ (i think it was). Currently only 22.05kHz is possible 18.53.27 # Davide-NYC: That's a very good proposal. 18.54.31 # hi, quick question: i haven't yet tried with an official build, but is there currently a known issue with codec changes that playback stops shortly after the start of the track when going from ogg/vorbis to mp3 or the other way around? 18.54.53 # that's already better than the OF (at least on my c200 it only recorded 16kHz wav files) 18.55.06 # Davide-NYC: I was wondering if you can take a look at an iriver H120 for me. It belongs to a friend of mine, and he's getting ATA -32 errors on it as of late. 18.55.15 # PaulJam: I've heard reports of stopping about 5 seconds in.. 18.55.31 # Really busy. Did he swap out the drive? 18.55.34 # PaulJam: FS#8455 maybe? 18.56.06 # The drive works. I placed it in an enclosure, and my Linux machine and a Windows 2000 laptop both picked it up. 18.56.15 # I think it's something wrong with the HD connector. 18.57.16 # n1s: point well taken. I am myopic when it comes to rockbox (all I see is the recording part) 18.57.22 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.57.52 # pondlife: doesn't seem to be the same issue, playback just stopped in the WPS. so i had to stop and reatert playback. i'll see if i can reproduce with the current build. 18.58.05 # LambdaCalculus37: Oh boy, those pins are teeny tiny. If that is the problem I can't fix that. Have them try a different drive regardless. 18.58.17 # Gotta run! 18.58.22 # Davide-NYC: See ya! 18.58.25 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 18.59.54 # Anybody knows Christoph Reiter's nick or whether he is around here at all? Wanted to ask him something about his iconset. 19.02.42 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.02.50 Quit midgey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.06.26 # Arathis: rasher posted a link to the tango icon set "design guidelines" a few days ago. IIRC it suggested that the original icons should be made as svg so maybe those are available somewhere from the project's site 19.08.50 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A7BF5.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.09.25 Quit Arathis (Nick collision from services.) 19.09.58 Nick Arathis2 is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p508A7BF5.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.11.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.11.40 # pixelma: got my answer to your suggestion? 19.12.10 # no 19.12.28 # "which leads to catching them one by one and manage them as an iconset :/" 19.13.01 # * LambdaCalculus37 fiddles with the H120 a little further 19.13.17 # I think the hard drive itself *is* the problem. 19.13.30 # Even just copying a new Rockbox build to it is taking forever. =/ 19.17.34 # Arathis: I think you can do the resizing and still have the transparency right, just don't resize the complete bmp - explaining here would be a bit off-topic though as it is a graphic editing question... 19.19.23 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 19.27.00 Quit Siku (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.27.18 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-70-46.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 19.29.51 Quit PaulJam (".") 19.31.07 Part pondlife 19.36.16 # * LambdaCalculus37 kicks Windows for stalling with writing data 19.37.57 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.38.47 # * LambdaCalculus37 kicks Windows again 19.39.18 # * gevaerts is trying to understand the USB CDC spec enough to make usb serial work on Windows 19.39.30 # Back in a bit. 19.39.32 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 19.42.16 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.42.46 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.50.48 Quit ANNO ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.50.58 Quit oldbull ("CGI:IRC") 19.51.29 # linuxstb: mbr-3g-20gb.bin is now on the download server! 19.52.14 # Bagder: Thanks - hope the servers can take the bandwidth ;) 19.52.32 # hehe 19.52.54 # * linuxstb wonders what the http overhead is 19.53.48 # Nico_P: S