--- Log for 07.03.108 Server: card.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.54 Quit gevaerts ("sleeping time") 00.02.04 # bah, I was one word wrong, the 1gb sandisk doesn't comply 00.03.18 # ehhhh... 00.03.44 # Our 'force pio mode' setting checks a rather arbitrary bit... 00.03.53 # It's doing so for years though 00.04.11 # 4 years to be precise 00.05.10 # all these feature bits are 'not to be depended on' 00.05.25 # so what do we use.... lousy spec 00.06.24 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.06.29 # According to the ata specs those words are valid if the indicator bits are set approrpiately 00.06.46 # for pio modes we should look at word 64 00.07.04 # Word 64 lists the modes, but not whether modes can be set 00.07.27 # 'Word 64: Advanced PIO transfer modes supported' 00.07.32 # Modes can always be set, hence there is no indicator bit for that, and Linus used a bit that's (nearly) guaranteed to be 1 00.10.07 # so we should check the indicator bits before usin g words 82-84 00.11.02 # Perhaps. But that a-data card does indicate words 82..84 as valid 00.11.05 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.11.17 # yes (I was just typing that) 00.11.29 # Words 85..87 are indicated as invalid though 00.12.23 # maybe nobody bothers to use advanced powermanagement... 00.12.27 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.12.59 # * petur is doing a battery benchmark on his H10 with and without to see the difference 00.13.45 # H10 is probably a bad target for that test 00.13.57 # contrary 00.14.02 # Those microdrive do at least partially implement the cf standard 00.14.26 # And on cf apm probably doesn't matter because cf power management is pretty much automatic 00.14.27 # I am testing the patch that disables powermanagement for CF 00.14.48 # so I want to know if this influences H10 00.15.04 # because the microdrive reports as CF 00.15.07 # It could also influence the mini, or the mrobe100, you never know 00.15.30 # No, it doesn't 00.15.57 # still need a nano owner to test the modified soft_reset 00.16.06 # The CF signature is word 0 == 0x848A according to the standard 00.16.25 # And the H10's drive reports 0x0C5A 00.16.47 # I mean the new check which looks at the sector count 00.16.52 # * amiconn wants to see this cf check removed 00.16.55 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 00.17.08 # sure.... me too 00.17.38 # why do you think I bother trying and testing stuff? 00.18.07 # At least in the form of checking words which aren't actually related to the problematic features 00.18.58 # Btw, all the CF cards in the list either report to support the CFA feature set (word 83 bit 2), or have an invalid word 83 00.19.15 # That also applies to the darn microdrives though 00.20.29 Join wvmac [0] (n=wvmac@c-71-61-88-3.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) 00.21.19 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 00.23.22 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-226-208.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.24.41 # There must be a way to reliably distinguish CF and HDD. The CF standard also specifies PIO modes 5 and 6. The ATA standard does not (not even ATA-7) 00.25.37 Quit ender` (" Top reason why compilers are like women: Miss a period and they go crazy") 00.27.29 # hear hear 00.27.42 # you wanted the cf check removed... 00.28.09 # I still want that if at all possible 00.28.48 # * petur has an attention problem, looking at a documentary of The Smiths at the same time ;) 00.29.47 Quit roolku () 00.30.39 # * scorche|sh wonders if petur is a shoplifter 00.31.26 # no, but devconpub must have caused some panic in the streets of london :p 00.31.38 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 00.31.48 Quit n1s () 00.33.07 # Btw, what's the effect of the apm feature set operation failing? 00.33.12 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("This computer has gone to sleep") 00.33.27 # ABRT 00.33.38 # 0x04 00.34.41 Quit ol_schoola () 00.35.05 # eh? 00.35.49 # yes, and SENSE returns 0x1F (unsupported) 00.36.34 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 00.38.25 # hmm 00.38.51 # urgh wrong. it is 'Data Transfer Error / Aborted Command' 00.40.15 # * petur moves closer to a power socket. laptop and target both low on battery 00.41.14 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host76-226-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 00.41.45 Quit herrwaldo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.48.22 # why doesn't features[] use a bitmask iso a bitnumber 00.52.02 # Compactness 00.52.33 # Right now one array element is 4 bytes, i.e. a power of 2 00.52.59 # I mean use 0x08 and not 3 00.53.05 # If you relace the bit number (char) with a mask (necessarily unsigned short), it becomes 5 bytes 00.53.27 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.53.33 # And since that's not a power of 5, addressing array elements needs more code 00.53.38 # would have been easier to check the validate bits at the same time 00.53.40 # Ehh, a power of 2 00.53.58 # ah well 00.54.02 Quit kies (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.54.13 # That whole check should probably be redesigned based on those new findings 00.54.42 Quit Soap_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.54.58 Join kies [0] (n=kies@adsl-76-199-14-32.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net) 00.56.08 Quit wvmac ("Lost terminal") 00.56.18 # petur: What about using the validity bits for these feature *settings* (i.e. word 87 bits 15 and 14) for deciding whether to refrain from setting apm? 00.56.51 # * petur checks those values for hdd 00.57.15 # The hdds all have valid word 87 00.57.23 # _including_ the microdrives 00.57.29 # hmmm 00.57.48 # * amiconn wants more values 00.58.29 # I only have one single CF card - an 1GB Sandisk Ultra II 00.59.17 # what about all those dumps in the wiki? 00.59.24 # Hmm, the Sandisk Ultra II 2GB in the list indicates word 87 as valid 01.00.09 # same as my sandisk 1GB 01.00.13 # Those are about a dozen cards and harddisks. Also, for most of them the "pwrmgt fails" column just says "?" 01.01.18 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-242-163.dsl.telepac.pt) 01.02.31 # I wonder if the description of bit 3 of word 85 is a typo: talks about 'supported', not 'enabled' 01.03.24 # I am wondering the same, although ata-4, ata-5 and ata-7 all say "supported" 01.03.26 # those hdd dumps were taken after the set_features was executed :/ 01.03.38 # Yes of course 01.03.57 # also, word 85 is 0 for those sandisk cards... 01.04.21 # The bootloader already does that (how else would it load rockbox to do the dump?) 01.04.29 # * petur looks for a bit that must be set 01.05.02 # * amiconn curses thread.c, especially sleep_core() 01.06.01 # That function is one big FOREVER loop - and putting my alignment-changing 'nop's in there causes gcc to shuffle instructions all over 01.09.27 # * petur gives transcend x133 2GB a strange look. word 85 = 1 (supports smart???) 01.09.28 # So all I could find out is that the alignment problem is within that function, because correcting the alignment before this call makes it work, and after that call it fails (sleep_core() is inlined within switch_thread()) 01.09.58 # petur: It doesn't. Word 85 isn't valid according to word 87 01.10.36 # hmmm my cf spec says nothing about word 87 :( 01.10.50 # oh it does 01.11.11 # that stuff should be in nice tables, not text 01.12.19 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.12.25 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.12.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.12.49 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.13.14 # * amiconn wonders where the threading guru is when he needs him 01.13.16 # jhMikeS: ping 01.13.20 Join rgould [0] (n=rgould@osgeo/member/rgould) 01.14.25 Quit tvelocity__ (Remote closed the connection) 01.14.53 Join Jessica464 [0] (n=Jessica@adsl-75-19-179-90.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) 01.15.13 # Hey folks. Anyone still have an old Archos Jukebox? 01.16.03 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=root@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 01.16.31 # some do, just ask your actual question and see (have a bit patience too) 01.17.17 # I dropped 2500mAh niMH in my jukebox, but the battery life is like 25% what it used to be? any clues? The battery change happened at the same time i installed rockbox. 01.17.48 # i figured with 2500mAh the thing would run foreever 01.18.23 # Also, anyone replaced the 20GB HD with a newer 160GB? any issues doing so? 01.19.17 # thx for the tip, pix. Unfortunately, I catch my flight for Shenzhen in a few hours. At the mo, it seems like it is gonna be a silent flight. 01.20.32 # Did you try charging the batteries in an external charger and check runtime? 01.20.51 # also those high capacity cells often suffer from high self discharge (there is a new generation out there that doesn't) 01.20.57 # Also, what jukebox is that, Player/Studio or Recorder? 01.20.58 # doing that now, but I don't know if they'll fully cook b4 i need to leave. 01.21.04 # recorder 01.21.36 # Jessica464: i have replaced it with a 160, but keep in mind that unless you enable LBA48 support, you will only get 128/137 GiB/GB 01.21.39 # Could be that our charging algorithm doesn't fully charge the batteries. What rockbox build are you running? 01.22.10 # hmmm... not sure on the build. lemme check 01.23.53 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 01.25.30 # the date is 7/24/07 01.25.35 # on my RB build 01.25.42 Join WatchDragon [0] (n=a@ip68-4-103-162.oc.oc.cox.net) 01.26.23 # Umm, that's old.... although, it's at least not the 2.5 release from the rockbox stone age 01.26.34 # are niMH ok, or should I be using nicad? 01.26.51 # Regarding the high self-discharge rate of high capacity NiMH - I'd recommend everyone to use the new generation cells instead. They are "only" avaliable as 2100mAh cells (Sanyo: 2000mAh), but lengths better than ordinary high capacity cells 01.26.52 # amiconn: yez 01.27.01 # Jessica464: NiMH only 01.27.25 # ok scor 01.27.26 # * amiconn experienced ordinary high capacity cells emptyig themselves within 1..2 days 01.28.01 # i'm getting 2~3 hours from these 2500mAHs!!!! 01.28.09 Part toffe82 01.28.34 # Directly after charging? 01.28.39 # that definitely seems off if they are brand new...can you get longer runtimes by putting in your old betteries? 01.29.05 # amicon, yes 01.29.22 # scor: they were new when i put them in the archos 01.29.32 # i had to recycle the old ones 01.30.33 # Jessica464: well, it *could* be other things as well, but testing different batteries is the easiest thing to check 01.30.54 # yeah, shame i have only a couple of hours... 01.31.04 # and no other batteries! 01.32.22 # * jhMikeS read what amiconn said and experiences a 'wtf' moment 01.33.01 # jhMikeS: Regarding what part? 01.33.17 # the charging algorithym? 01.33.28 # Jessica464: get some non-rechargeables at the airport? 01.33.49 # Jessica464: and if you get non-rechargables, make sure not to accidently charge them ;) 01.33.55 # amiconn: putting nops in sleep_core having the effect you reported. I think at first commit the function was in IRAM. 01.33.57 # pet: like alcaline? 01.33.57 # that could be dangerous if one then inserts a charger... 01.33.59 # scorche|sh: the threading problem 01.34.07 # ah 01.34.37 # jhMikeS: someone suggested you knew something about why the backlight might be very slow to active lately? 01.34.38 # I tracked down the location where the PP5002 obviously originates, but unfortunately it's not very precise, because I cannot put nops *into* sleep_core() without making gcc shuffling instructions all around 01.35.11 # But why does *code* alignment have an effect at all? And why there? 01.35.41 # petur, Jessica464: Alkalines shouldn't be used in the archos 01.36.07 # saratoga: it's the priority and a side effect of actually fixing the scheduling. I'd suggest just making it a normal UI prority thread for the time being. 01.36.12 # ami, then what non-rechareables should I use? 01.36.37 # Jessica464: seems I gave wrong advice then... 01.36.48 # Jessica464: None. The archos jukeboxes are designed to run from NiMH. Other batteries will either work poorly, or not at all 01.36.58 # jhMikeS: how are thread priorities adjusted? I'd like to play with this a bit 01.37.15 # ok. so it's rechargeables or nuthin 01.37.49 # anyone know what voltage and current I should be charging the archos with? 01.37.55 # amiconn: i would think lithium would sate the power demands just fine, no? 01.38.03 # amiconn: that's weird. Now that you found that I'm brainstorming for an answer on that. 01.38.05 # Most probably not 01.38.22 # why not? 01.38.41 # saratoga: the create_thread call in backlight.c inside IF_PRIO() 01.38.50 # scorche: The circuitry is designed for the typical openloop voltage of NiMH cells, i.e. 4x 1.2V. Non-rechargeables start at 1.5V 01.39.07 # saratoga: use PRIORITY_USER_INTERFACE 01.39.13 # And the jukeboxes need cells with a very low impedance, because of the high hdd spinup current 01.39.39 # yes...the lithium should be fine with regards to impedance 01.39.55 # jhMikeS: instead of "PRIORITY_SYSTEM"? 01.40.16 # saratoga: yes 01.40.22 # lithium wont charge properly in a device designed to charge nimh, will it? 01.40.37 # Jessica464: no...i am talking just about usage 01.40.57 # putting lithium in anything but a lithium charger will probably result in an on fire battery 01.41.06 # ok 01.41.30 # so, for niMH in an archos rockbox, what voltage and current should I charge it at? 01.44.03 Join csc`` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 01.44.13 # jhMikeS: that fix seems to have worked fairly well 01.44.14 # When charging them in the device, you should either use the original charger (9V unregulated), or a *regulated* 12V charger. Less won't fully charge the batteries, more will produce unnecessary heat and eventually break the charging circuit 01.44.15 # * jhMikeS has to get this priority inheritance done and it's the hardest piece and most time-consuming of programming undertaken yet but what's done works extremely well (and as a bonus alot of kernel stuff is more simple) 01.44.22 # takes about half a second to come on now 01.44.28 # instead of the 2-5 seconds before 01.44.45 # If you charge them externally, use a proper NiMH charger 01.45.47 # ami, but at what current? 01.45.54 # saratoga: with the changes I've made (somewhat of a 2nd-pass rewrite), even at PRIORITY_SYSTEM, the backlight delay is hardly perceivable :) 01.46.43 Quit csc` (Nick collision from services.) 01.46.46 Nick csc`` is now known as csc` (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 01.46.48 # * amiconn managed to track down the crash location a bit further 01.46.50 # jhMikeS: The problem must be somewhere between start of sleep_core(), and the core_sleep() call (line 1466) 01.47.08 # core_sleep() is asm, so I could sneak in 2 extra nops without gcc going wild 01.48.41 # jhMikeS: these are going to be committed relatively soon? 01.48.58 # i'm wondering if its worth working around this issue in SVN in the meantime 01.49.33 # There are 55 instrucitons between the 2 known points 01.49.56 # saratoga: I'd just commit it. Really I think all UI-based threads should be equal since they're expected to response well to input. 01.50.08 # ok will do 01.50.34 # amiconn: you put nops both at the start and the end? 01.50.41 # yes 01.51.16 # that code didn't even exist for PP5002 at the initial commit though. that only came with finishing dual-core support there and the same problem creeps in even if it's the C reference version. 01.52.04 # I first tested the effect of a varying number of nops in main(). With my current build, 0 or 3 nops work fine, 1 or 2 nops make it crash. The effects are modulo-4 01.52.38 # Then I put 4 nops into main() - everything ok. Then I started moving 2 of the 4 nops around the code. 01.52.43 # ami: do you know the current i should be charging this thing at? 01.53.21 # If I moved them too far to the end, it was crashing, moved them back to the beginning, worked again etc (bisecting) 01.53.37 # Jessica464: The current will be determined by the device. 01.53.55 # YOur charger should be capable of providing at least 400mA 01.54.12 # All this must be somewhere in the wiki 01.54.28 # err... i no longer have the original charger, and there is no spec on the archos itself. 01.55.16 # jhMikeS: I finally found that putting the nops *directly* before the sleep_core() call in switch_thread(), it works, and if I put them directly after that call, it crashes 01.55.24 # (sleep_core() is inlined) 01.55.30 # is there a wiki for the archos? 01.56.11 # And the tiny bit further I got is that if I put the nops into core_sleep() it still crashes, so the problem must be before that 01.57.44 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 01.59.07 # amiconn: uploaded a new CF patch that should be committable, feel free to comment (no hurry) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8644 01.59.15 # jhMikeS: http://pastebin.ca/931215 is the whole, inlined sleep_core(). The problem must be somewhere between the beginning and 0x4404c 01.59.42 Join jurrie [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 02.00.07 # amiconn: my mk8007gah still reports powermanagement in word 85 even if not set, so looks good :) 02.00.32 # The bootloader would set it... 02.00.49 # argh... right :/ 02.01.13 # will play with that tomorrow - bedtime now 02.01.21 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 02.02.55 # amiconn: why do you cut it off at the nops in core_sleep? 02.03.04 # ? 02.03.49 # 0x4404c is the first nop of core_sleep assembly 02.03.53 # yes 02.04.27 # And if I put the 2 extra nops there (my only chance to put extra nops into sleep_core()), it still crashes, so the problem must be before that 02.05.17 Quit Jessica464 ("http://irc.netsplit.de/") 02.06.08 # ...becasue my system of bisecting was designed so that the build crashes if the nops come after the alignment sensitive code, and does not crash if they come before that code 02.07.22 Quit jurrie__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.07.47 # * amiconn realises that he can put the testing nops a little bit further up 02.07.48 # this is twilight zone stuff. 1) Why only PP5002 2) why there of all places 02.08.52 # hmmm...one thing happens there that happens nowhere else 02.10.27 # it's the place where context is whatever context exists at the time no threads are actually scheduled but it's running in the context of the last thread that became non-runnable 02.10.32 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-235-227-56.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 02.11.07 # eh.... 02.11.13 # Seems we're lucky 02.11.28 # The problem seems to be *in* core_sleep() itself 02.12.25 # Now I'm moving the nops intsruction-by-instruction 02.16.40 # usage of strb instead of str to the processor control reg? <== big guess 02.17.35 # * amiconn suspects that one instructions and skips a few to hopefully get a result earlier 02.18.10 # Does the OF uses 32 bit accesses? 02.18.13 # *use 02.18.38 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-67-190-234-51.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 02.18.55 # * jhMikeS is checking a disassembly if he can locate it 02.22.02 # OF uses either STRH or STR 02.22.14 # Some places also have 3 NOPs before *and* 3 NOPs after t 02.22.19 # *it 02.22.39 # Actually I checked 2nd Gen ROM code 02.22.42 # The pipeline seems to be a factor for that 02.23.38 # or prefetch. for example, a sleep write immediately followed by a wake write will actually not sleep because the next instruction gets executed after the sleep write before it sleeps 02.24.20 # It's definitely the streqb 02.24.28 # I'm trying streqh next 02.24.57 # If that doesn't help, I'll put 3 nops in front as well (and balance with further nops for my test) 02.25.41 # core_wake should also be altered then as well as the CORE_CTL definition 02.25.48 # meh, streqh doesn't like the addressing mode 02.26.21 Quit axionix_ ("Lost terminal") 02.26.35 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 02.27.30 # * amiconn tries tsreq instead 02.27.33 # *streq 02.28.58 # It's not the byte access - streq also crashes 02.31.23 # but that instruction crashes or doesn't crash depending on whether the nops precede or follow? 02.32.35 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.32.42 Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.33.10 # It crashes or doesn't crash depending on how it's aligned 02.33.17 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 02.33.43 # just the alignment of that one instruction? 02.33.50 # yes 02.34.29 # what precise alignment is needed for that? 02.35.25 # or did you imply 16 bytes? 02.35.55 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 02.36.27 # It must be aligned at xxxxxx4 or xxxxxxx8 in order to work, if I didn't make a mistake 02.38.58 # possible to pad before/after with words? I know you can pad with specific byte values in gas. 02.43.30 Quit jhulst (Connection timed out) 02.43.33 Join ztidwell [0] (n=48c8cf6c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5dcf72c10b336b3e) 02.45.18 Quit ztidwell (Client Quit) 02.45.24 Join ztidwell [0] (n=48c8cf6c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-848304306e3fa820) 02.46.10 Quit ztidwell (Client Quit) 02.46.28 # The ROM seems to have this instruction at all possible alignments, although most instances handle the cop only 02.47.34 # the cop never has to see any of the thread code for the alignment crashing to surface 02.48.02 # Yes, but the cop also crashes if it's not aligned properly 02.48.38 # It alost seems there's something in the deisgn of the PP5002 that makes it transfer values from cpu_control to the PC 02.48.51 # I'fe seen crash addresses of 0xCF004084 several times now... 02.49.53 # * amiconn wonders whether the addressing mode using the shifter is involved 02.50.08 # But I need to stop experimenting for now and get some sleep 02.50.34 # the writes to the control register after the first DC commit didn't use that for pp5002 02.56.14 Quit csc` ("Powering Off") 03.07.21 Nick pikhq_ is now known as pikhq (n=pikhq@209.248.124.243) 03.07.51 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.12.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.17.32 Quit argumentD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.24.25 Part pixelma 03.26.45 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 03.36.13 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.36.33 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.40.56 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.42.08 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.44.50 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.52.46 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 04.50.15 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.50.29 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF42F3.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.06.37 Join major_works [0] (n=chatzill@ool-45745dcc.dyn.optonline.net) 05.09.58 Join webguest09 [0] (n=40e62bc8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1d3abc194bc0b934) 05.11.03 Quit webguest09 (Client Quit) 05.11.17 Quit Horscht (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.12.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.12.50 # Is there a knowledgeable person on who could look at this and help me understand why it's causing a make to fail? 05.12.54 # http://pastebin.com/ddaa336c 05.18.22 # make sure to: have the latest source and update your repository, make clean, reconfigure 05.18.49 # or even make veryclean 05.18.59 # It was the latest source. There are patches applied, however. 05.19.16 # svn up 05.19.23 # looks like your not latest 05.19.29 # or a patch is borken 05.19.32 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 05.20.05 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 05.20.06 # Oh yeah, I did have to hand-patch some stuff. Multifont for one; viewports for another. Both are out of sync at this point. 05.20.39 # But it was a fairly straightforward hand patch, which is good, because I am not a coder by any stretch. 05.21.24 # then type svn diff | patch -R to remove all differences and then svn up as JdGordon said 05.29.47 Quit mchua ("Holy shiny distraction, Batman!") 05.30.02 # I'll start over with your suggestions. thanks. 05.31.07 # svn revert -R is a better way to blow away all changes 05.37.59 Quit Horscht ("User was distributing pornography on server; system seized by FBI") 05.42.26 Quit DaCapn (Remote closed the connection) 05.43.00 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 05.43.38 Join x86ia [0] (n=chatzill@189.156.220.10) 05.58.13 Quit kies (Connection timed out) 05.59.17 Join kies [0] (n=kies@adsl-76-199-3-132.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net) 06.02.34 Join jurrie_ [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 06.09.53 Join argumentD [0] (n=argument@cpe-76-173-115-95.socal.res.rr.com) 06.15.05 Quit jurrie (Read error: 110 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At least, they cover a wide range 07.53.15 # actually, I got a data abort yesterday also, but that was my first in _ages_ and it hasnt happened since 07.54.15 # "hyperdrive"... haha 07.54.21 Join gidean [0] (n=gidean@adsl-69-106-242-121.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 07.55.10 # hi everyone.... 07.55.17 # that was a funny response, though i feel that we might have to be a little more polite when it comes to silly requests 07.55.27 # gidean: hi 07.55.34 # LinusN: I'm curious where, now. 07.55.38 # just got a gigabeat f10 and installed rockbox...looks really good... 07.56.03 # Llorean: the feature request tracker, "USB audio" 07.56.03 # then I erased something and now it gives me an error: no system found on HDD :( 07.56.10 # any suggestions? 07.56.16 # Llorean: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8695 07.56.25 # gidean, read the wiki for the recovery instructions for gigabeat 07.56.42 # thanks krazykit! 07.56.47 # LinusN: well even his suggestion was nonsence.. "maybe in the far future... "! 07.56.57 # Ah, closed before it got to my RSS reader. 07.57.02 # gidean, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures 07.57.17 # JdGordon: sure it was nonsense, but meybe he didn't realize that himself 07.58.12 # Actually, for SWUSB targets it's not terribly nonsense, but the request itself was kinda... not requesty. I think we actually may have an outstanding request for that anyway. 07.58.25 # * LinusN makes note to self, "it's spelled MAYBE" 07.58.45 # One more Q: I don't have the disk... can I find GBSYSTEM? 07.58.59 # * Llorean wants his SWUSB targets to all serve as USB displays for Windows Sideshow. 07.59.12 # using linux BTW 07.59.35 # gidean, you might be able to use the blank gbsystem files linked immediately above that section. 07.59.56 # sweet... 07.59.57 # But seriously, a mini-computer with input, display, audio output, and storage, with a fully under our control USB connection is kinda a flexible doodad. 08.00.22 # JdGordon, Llorean: still i think it would even be better to say "your request is ridiculous, because..." instead of just making fun of him 08.01.01 # especially since it actually might be feasible on some targets 08.01.12 # LinusN: Agreed entirely 08.02.11 # Or perhaps "Rockbox is an audio player firmware, and this feature doesn't really serve that purpose, as it's bypassing Rockbox entirely, so while technically possible, probably isn't suitable for the core" 08.03.36 # On a note unrelated entirely, does anyone know if we've any documented knowledge on 2G Nanos? 08.04.39 # you guys are no fun :p but yeah ok, i agree 08.04.51 # * gidean sighs. 08.05.02 # no dice, krazykit... 08.05.07 # They work 08.05.09 # bricked 08.05.16 # You don't need any original toshiba files 08.05.40 # As long as you have those files, and Rockbox, in the proper places on your disk, the Gigabeat will boot unless you've damaged it somehow 08.06.09 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 08.06.33 # when on usb it shows the gigabeat usb image...as soon as I unplug: 00010070 no system found on HDD 08.06.55 # And you installed those files AND a Rockbox bootloader AND a Rockbox build? 08.07.04 # I was trying to make room and inadvertinly deleted some imprtant stuff.. 08.07.15 # used the auto install, yep 08.07.23 # That doesn't install those files. 08.07.43 # You should install those files, and do a manual install to verify all the necessary files exist 08.07.45 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0248cbf40eecf91a) 08.08.16 # ok...thanks. 08.08.19 # brb 08.17.07 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD305.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.20.24 # gidean: you just need to extract the fake GBSYSTEM zip and then copy the bootloader (FWIMG01.DAT) to GBSYSTEM\FWIMG 08.21.54 # bootloader to GBSYSTEM\FWIMG? I'll try real quick.. 08.22.11 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatFXPort/GBSYSTEM.zip and http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/FWIMG01.DAT 08.22.38 # ahhhh 08.22.38 # (extract the zip to your player) 08.23.20 # and no need for the recovery procedure when you get "no system found" because it enter USB mode, right? 08.23.27 # yep 08.23.31 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.25.45 # gidean: kkurbjun is working on our own bootloader in flash. It has a few advantages, one is that we don't need the GBSYSTEM folder anymore. 08.26.55 # markun: it worked! Thanks so much! I was trying to make space on the GB from the CLI and deleted something I should have... 08.27.02 # but Its better now! 08.27.15 # Thanks to everyone who responded, too! 08.27.26 # just to let everyone know what worked: 08.29.10 # As per markun's instructions I copied the fake GBsystem to the player and added FWIMG01.DAT to GBSYSTEM\FWIMG 08.29.22 # Again, thanks much! 08.29.38 # * Llorean is pretty sure that's what he said to do too. 08.29.51 Join wisp_sh [0] (n=wisp@acct.icf.org.ru) 08.30.56 # i guess you did...eitherway, thanks for the response :) 08.31.02 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host76-226-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.32.41 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|afk (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 08.32.46 # gidean: glad it worked 08.35.19 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.36.42 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 08.41.03 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 08.42.40 # LinusN: USB audio is not so far fetched, is it? 08.42.52 # we've talked about it in here before. Don't see why it's closed. 08.47.58 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 08.48.06 # can I reopen it? 08.51.43 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.51.43 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 08.56.29 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 08.57.13 # markun: i believe it's feasible, i think you should repoen it 08.57.29 # * LinusN invents words on a daily basis 08.57.54 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.00.31 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 09.00.47 # markun: USB audio? In what direction? 09.01.07 # amiconn: to rockbox 09.01.23 # to use rockbox as a usb audio card 09.01.30 # Hmm. What would that be good for? 09.01.43 # beats me :-) 09.01.48 # * petur knows 09.02.05 # to pirate music (record the output digitally) 09.02.20 # there's much easier ways to do that 09.02.47 # ok, then I don't know either... because the pc has a lousy audio card? 09.02.53 Quit UncleRemus ("leaving") 09.03.50 # amiconn: I was thinking about that last CF test yesterday. The bootloader indeed sets the powermanagement, but after the first disk powerdown this is no longer the case, right? 09.04.44 # that is true if you cut the power 09.05.03 Join UncleRemus [0] (n=caj@81-234-174-183-no95.tbcn.telia.com) 09.05.39 # on h300, we do that 09.05.57 # petur: however, ata_power_on() calls set_features() again 09.06.20 # yes, but that will be my modified set_features() 09.06.27 # not the bootloader one 09.06.46 # * amiconn wonders what petur wants to do now 09.06.55 # the CF mod needs a new bootloader anyway because of this 09.07.03 # petur: but when does the bootloader spin down? 09.07.18 # amiconn: see my latest patch? 09.07.36 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-102-26.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.07.58 # LinusN: this is just for testing, to read the identify info without powermanagement being set 09.08.21 # I now look at word 85 for powermanagement capability 09.08.35 # i read the irc log 09.09.54 # btw, I got svn bootloader working on my h380 by adding some printf before ata init... really beats me what is wrong there 09.12.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.13.38 # petur: Identify info is only read once, at ata_init() 09.14.01 # * petur slaps forehead 09.14.06 # There is no disk poweroff between the bootloader setting the feature, and ata_init in main rockbox 09.15.05 # "Poor forehead, nobody likes him" ;) 09.15.33 # * petur waits until forehead logs in and beats back 09.19.02 # petur: you mean that it needs more time between power on and ata_init()? 09.20.21 # LinusN: it behaves very odd, and only when that disk is in that h300 - must gbe a timing issue. I also had it hang when inserting usb, which will be the same thing probably. 09.20.35 # ouch 09.20.54 # For some reason, current svn bootloader no longer boots rockbox _at_all_ on my h380 09.20.56 # you mean it works in a different h300? 09.21.09 # after devcon07 it still was 50% 09.21.27 # yes, I did the test once 09.21.34 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 09.22.21 # btw, the mk1011gah with zif adapter will not fit in an h300 09.22.41 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD305.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.22.58 # no problem, by the time I need a bigger disk, I'll get an 128GB CF card ;) 09.23.31 # it is a pitty though 09.23.34 Join forehead [0] (n=cf5143be@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-85e1c4145dd97fec) 09.23.38 # oh no 09.23.44 # * petur ducks 09.24.00 # * forehead attacks 09.24.28 Quit forehead (Client Quit) 09.25.06 # :-) 09.26.05 # LinusN: some people at taperssection have expressed interest in that zif adapter, I hope the mailinglist poster finds a way for people to order... 09.26.10 # LinusN: What about the X5? 09.26.19 # or maybe they'll show up on ebay 09.26.37 # amiconn: i don't have an x5l to try with 09.26.53 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-232-009.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.27.06 # Why an L? 09.27.52 # * petur rad that as 51 (fifty-one) 09.27.55 # *read 09.28.33 # the L only has a bigger battery, no bigger disk, right 09.28.41 # LinusN: How much length does the adapter add? 09.29.12 # (or rather, how much longer is the combination of MK1011GAH+adapter, compared to an ordinary 50-pin disk?) 09.29.40 # petur: The X5 comes as single platter and dual platter models, the X5L comes as single platter only 09.29.56 # amiconn: my bad, i meant i need a dual platter x5 09.30.01 # The X5 dual platter (60GB) uses the exact same case as the X5L 09.30.13 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 09.31.09 # The L has a second battery in the extra room that the single platter disk in the "dual platter case" leaves 09.31.32 # So you can convert an X5L into an ordinary X5 if you want to fit a dual platter hdd 09.31.50 # like putting an extra fat battery in an h340 and put a single platter disk in 09.32.10 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 09.32.17 # Same applies to M5(L) and M3(L) 09.32.35 # * amiconn 's M3 is a (rare) dual platter model :) 09.34.19 # * stripwax will upload the tower-of-rockbox and rockhenge photos tonight when his phone is feeling better :( 09.34.26 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 09.35.48 # rockhenge, nice! 09.36.37 # amiconn: the mk1011gah+adapter is about 1.3cm longer 09.39.23 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.56.43 Quit nicktastic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.04.40 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.05.29 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.10.24 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 10.11.01 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.14.09 # I would like the forum to move threads to the top of the list after editing a post 10.16.52 # then don't edit 10.18.02 # I would be double posting if I didn't edit which is forbidden :) 10.18.29 # delete your post and post again 10.18.49 # a good one 10.18.55 # or maybe the forums could be fixed? 10.19.52 # I believe I saw a "forum feature requests" thread, not sure if it's still there 10.20.11 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ZIFToATAAdapter 10.22.00 # nice 10.22.30 Quit DerDome (Remote closed the connection) 10.22.51 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-232-009.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.23.22 # LinusN: yes, thanks. Those 20GB in my M5L is a bit sparse but I like the runtime so much and wouldn't want to sacrifice the second battery... 10.24.41 # pixelma: go CF :) 10.25.25 # also true, 32GB would already be an improvement 10.25.44 # or wait a bit for 64GB, 128GB, ... :) 10.25.55 # :) 10.27.04 # would 2 card fit? Just got this strange idea to use 2 and a multivolume build (don't have the faintest idea if that would work though...) :) 10.27.10 # *cards 10.27.45 # hmmm, forgot the connection issue probably 10.28.07 # room is no issue, but I don't know of an adapter that has room for both master and slave 10.28.48 # and ata.c supports only one of them at the moment 10.29.56 # thanks for the information. It only crossed my mind, I didn't think about it before... 10.34.25 # pixelma: it does exist, but the angle of the ide connector is wrong 10.34.27 # http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280202934990&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Stores&refitem=280198173300&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget&_trksid=p284.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D4%26ps%3D41 10.35.37 # * petur wonders about the floppy power connector and the master/slave jumper 10.37.46 # and the ide connector is wrong too :/ 10.38.11 # it annoys me that the ZIF connector faces the wrong direction: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-1-8-ZIF-harddisk-to-1-8-CF-IDE-hard-driver-adapter_W0QQitemZ310028867728QQihZ021QQcategoryZ41994QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 10.39.04 # LinusN: if the flatcable is long enough, you could mount the disk the other way around? 10.39.39 # perhaps, but you don't want a flat cable that long... 10.40.09 # the esskabel adapter is much smarter imho 10.43.18 # i must say that 27 euros is a lot for such an adapter 10.44.02 # Ata allows up to 50cm iirc 10.45.43 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 10.49.29 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-00756.home.otenet.gr) 10.51.30 # * gevaerts thinks that usb audio should be doable, and probably not too difficult 10.52.54 # gevaerts: good to hear :) 10.54.49 # if i only could find a good source of hdd connectors, i could make my own adapter... 11.01.25 # pixelma, petur: I think a dual-CF adapter should be doable, and master-slave support could be added to the ata driver 11.01.54 # It could then either be used with multivolume, or simply by "disk" chaining 11.02.05 # all those possibilities... :) 11.02.32 # Chaining is probably not a good idea because of usb though 11.03.23 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.12.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.14.11 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy15.netz.sbs.de) 11.30.49 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 11.32.13 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-208-085.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 11.32.55 # Hmm, wonder where GodEater went? 11.35.23 # he didn't show up? 11.36.04 # No, and I don't think he's been online since yesterday morning 11.37.10 Join Crash91 [0] (n=Crash@41.232.214.149) 11.37.15 # BTW, the Cowon D2 seems a nice little device - much smaller than I imagined. 11.37.18 # they arrested a guy recently for having an mp3 player with him (somebody thought it was a gun), maybe they went after him too (having multiple mp3 players) 11.37.30 # We want to keep an area on the page which can show people what Rockbox is capable of looking like < /me thinks maybe a slideshow? 11.37.37 # We did get a lot of questions from passers-by in the pub... 11.37.37 # petur: You should have seen linuxstb's stash last night 11.38.06 # I told the staff they were bombs. I don't think they got the joke. 11.38.26 # I could also make a little box with all the models in, which the user can scoll through. 11.38.39 # that kind of jokes doesn't work very good these days 11.38.57 # Luckily they didn't hear me 11.39.05 # Crash91: I'm not sure if we want to waste valuable space on the home page for that - but maybe somewhere like the "why rockbox?" page. 11.39.53 # But a nice animated GIF showing Rockbox might be nice.. 11.40.00 # LinusN: Perhaps you could mention on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ZIFToATAAdapter that this doesn't fit in an H340? 11.40.22 # linuxstb: okay, but as for now im concentrating on the main page, i was thinking that a graphical view might be more appealing than "supported models:" 11.40.40 # Just in case someone (like me) assumes the H140 and H340 are the same size. 11.41.05 # linuxstb: yes, a GIF sounds nice :) thanks for the idea 11.41.23 # Crash91: I'd rather there was no animation on the front page. 11.41.23 # Crash91: You're suggesting removing the list of supported players? 11.42.01 # linuxstb: yes, and replacing them with graphics of the player with model number and type 11.42.24 # So like the download pages? 11.42.36 # linuxstb: yes, kind of 11.42.58 # That will take lots more space 11.43.16 # Zagor: Don't suppose you could use the wiki version of the left-hand menu on the other pages too. I know it's an IE weirdness, but as long as removing the breaks doesn't negatively affect other browsers... 11.43.20 # pondlife: i have only an H320, so i can't test, but it still *might* fit 11.43.20 # thats why i was considering an animation 11.43.36 # LinusN: Ah, good! 11.43.46 # im going to do a mockup first though 11.44.20 # Crash91: I'd ask for more opinions about animation before you spend too much time on it. 11.44.30 # Maybe I'm odd. 11.44.45 # * linuxstb stands next to pondlife in odd corner 11.44.54 # pondlife: that why im going to do a mockup :) and i understand why some people dislike animations 11.45.04 # it always comes down to personal preference 11.45.14 # Of course. 11.45.33 Join BigBambi [0] (n=86ceaf37@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 11.45.46 # * BigBambi reminds Crash91 about blind people and screen readers 11.45.51 # LinusN: I'm quite sure the adapter won't fit X5/M5/M3. There's simply no room for the added length 11.46.00 # * gevaerts thinks that only the MpegPlayerPlugin should do animations 11.46.39 # amiconn: that depends on if you can (like on the H140) put the hdd above the audio connectors 11.46.46 # BigBambi: tags, and mostly CSS will make it easy 11.47.14 # BigBambi: So removing the list isnt such a great idea :) 11.47.56 # Crash91: Also, where are you getting the graphics from? You can't just take random images from the web... 11.47.58 # Personally I prefer a list of supported models not an animation - quicker to read, if you glance away you don't have to wait for it to come round again, easier to be specific etc. 11.48.06 # We could have a separate site to "advertise" Rockbox, using Flash and all that. Aimed squarely at getting new recruits. 11.48.29 # www.rockboxrocks.com 11.48.37 # linuxstb: what about the download page? 11.48.57 # Crash91: What about it? 11.49.11 # linuxstb: the graphics from there maybe? 11.49.24 # I don't object to more pictures on the site in general, I just think replacing certain information with them is a bad idea. 11.49.26 # Yes, those are fine to use (obviously) 11.49.52 # oh, how great. i found the 1.8" hdd connector, and i can buy them in quantities of 1500 :-) 11.49.54 # Zagor: Also noticred that http://build.rockbox.org/mail/ is a dead link from "The Rockbox Crew" tagline 11.50.20 # i'm not sure i have a need for 1500 ata<->zif adapters :-) 11.50.22 # on http://build.rockbox.org/ Imnean 11.50.37 # LinusN: Set up a market stall? :) 11.50.40 # LinusN: We could play pass-the-parcel :) 11.51.08 # A very niche market stall... 11.51.37 # Well, he could expand once it is established 11.51.57 # Ondio backlight mods? 11.52.18 # Exactly, H100 RTC chips, ... The list goes on 11.52.21 # :) 11.52.48 # Or just installing Rockbox for people who can't work out RBUtil 11.53.07 # sounds like a very lucrative business :-P 11.53.23 # or was it "ludicrous"? 11.53.30 # haha 11.53.40 # * linuxstb goes to visit his bank manager for a business loan 11.54.00 # A coworker just suggested to add joypad support once usb host is in, to make playing doom easier 11.54.11 # Dear me 11.54.12 # that would be quite cool 11.54.17 # Isn't that on FS already? 11.54.31 # It would be quite cool for a short time 11.54.46 # A good advert 11.54.57 # You mean, like Doom is now 11.55.08 # yeah, but more coolerer :) 11.55.32 # * petur still mentions a usb keyboard 11.56.09 # and a mouse for rockpaint ;) 11.56.19 # I guess that if we have support for petur's keyboard, joypads and similar are basically free (both are HID) 11.56.20 # LinusN: amiconn once found 8GB MMCs (microdia) which could only be bought in a large amount... not sure what happened to this ;) 11.56.41 # yes, and HID is a very simple class 11.57.39 # I still want to add it to the device-stack, to replace the charging-only class (pretend we're a mouse or something, so windows finds drivers). 11.57.55 # lol 11.58.17 # And then I have my sansa c200 joypad ;) 11.59.19 # What about pretending to be a removable drive, but with no media? 11.59.40 # that would be cleaner 11.59.52 # That would be even easier (10 minutes work), but it might confuse users 12.00.15 # and coming up as a mouse wouldn't? 12.00.18 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 12.00.26 # You could even press a button to "insert" your disk whilst charging. 12.01.56 # petur: I think windows shows the device name on insert, and not the class name (or only the first time, for a very short time) so users only see this "mouse" when they go to the device manager. 12.02.38 # linuxstb: possible as well. Once we do that I would also suggest to go back to "normal mode" once the OS "ejects" the disk 12.02.52 # Why not keep it as "charging only" when we are just charging? Seems less confusing. 12.03.17 # pondlife: trouble is that windows then asks for drivers. 12.03.25 # Ah, I see 12.03.39 # It has no built-in support for that? 12.03.50 # What does the OF do? 12.04.07 # Isn't this what the ipod OF does? IIRC, you can "eject" it from the host OS, and it will leave the disk mode screen, but continue to charge. 12.04.18 # I would personally prefer linuxstb's solution, but I'm afraid of confused users 12.05.01 # pondlife: we basically need a device class that does nothing, but nobody specified one. And most OF's don't do harging only as far as I know 12.05.21 Join ali_as [0] (n=as@ambix.plus.com) 12.05.22 # OK, well I'd do what the iPod OF does then. 12.08.01 # So the proposal is : on normal insert, present all drives normally and show the USB connection screen. Once the host tells us it doesn't need them any more, go back to normal operation. On "charging" insert, present empty drives, and put a menu item in System (or somewhere else?) to "insert" them, which goes to the USB screen and allows OS access. Also allow this after OS eject. 12.08.13 # * gevaerts thinks that shouldn't be too complicated 12.08.51 # And people who can't find this "pretend to insert" menu can just unplug and plug back in 12.10.23 # * gevaerts likes this idea. It gets rid of the "charging only" pseudo-driver, and adds useful functionality. 12.10.29 # I'm not sure we need a menu option though - unless it's very easily accessible, it will just be easier to unplug and reattach. 12.11.19 # I'd still like an option to invert the charge/connect option... 12.11.34 # i.e. normally charge only, and be a drive if a button is held. 12.11.37 # If you attach normally, then the host OS ejects the device and Rockbox goes back to normal operation, can we then return to disk mode? 12.12.14 # pondlife: I wouldn't object - it's been a long-time feature request by many people. 12.12.21 # linuxstb: that's what we need this menu option for. 12.12.37 # gevaerts: So it's possible to keep connecting and disconnecting by software? 12.13.55 # linuxstb: not really connecting and disconnecting, although that should be possible as well, just telling the OS that the user took the (insert removable media type of your choice here) out or put it back in 12.14.47 # Ah yes, of course... 12.14.47 # It would also neatly solve this "should we set the REMOVABLE bit or not" discussion 12.16.52 # s/neatly solve/sidestep/ 12.17.41 # What about adding the "disk mode" option at the end of the main menu? It will only appear when charging via usb. 12.18.10 # It sort of fits, as it will take you to the USB screen. 12.18.11 # I don't like options that appear and hide.. 12.18.31 # I was more just thinking of a setting 12.18.41 # But it's not a setting... 12.18.54 # Ah, I misunderstood 12.18.57 # It's a "now take me to the usb screen" item 12.19.36 # My fault for saying "disk mode option"... 12.19.45 # OK 12.20.20 # What about the default action - i.e. make it connect by default (like it does now). That's an option, no? 12.20.20 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet07.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 12.20.43 # Yes 12.20.45 # I like the idea of being able to control entry (and exit?) of the USB screen 12.21.47 # Default connect would be an option in the settings menu, in the future maybe together with the "enable usb audio" and "pretend we're a game controller" options 12.22.45 # pondlife: forced exit would be possible, but dangerous for your data. I thinl it's better to exit only if the OS tells us to (by the user choosing "eject") 12.23.06 # True 12.23.23 # Tail, meet dog. 12.24.35 # If we really want to, we could eject/insert devices on a multi-volume system separately, so you can continue playing music from your sd card while updating the rockbox build on internal storage. That would almost certainly be overkill though 12.25.10 # What colour scheme is preferable for the front page? The current one, or a more cabbie-ish approach? 12.25.49 # Crash91: I'd say the cabbie-ish one, for consistency. But I may be in the minority. 12.25.59 # Not quite so dark though 12.26.26 # I don't actually use cabbie myself, prefering light backgrounds. 12.26.35 # how about a slightly more lighter version, in grey or blue-grey 12.26.45 # I would say cabbie-ish as well, for the same reason. I don't really like white-on-black websites though 12.27.11 Join mib_98owc9n4 [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ee4de42f373a9b56) 12.27.13 # Crash91: That would give low contrast, which I think is a bad idea 12.27.14 # * pondlife would like to see an "inverse Cabbie" theme - i.e. dark text, light background 12.27.27 # Same layout, just different colours 12.27.27 Nick mib_98owc9n4 is now known as GodEater (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ee4de42f373a9b56) 12.27.32 # aha! 12.27.41 # GodEater: What's up? 12.27.59 # sorry all - a bit of a personal crisis 12.28.02 # gevaerts: yes, hadnt thought about that, 12.28.02 Join makdaknife [0] (n=makdakni@82-70-146-30.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 12.28.09 # very sad I couln't make it last night 12.28.11 # :( 12.28.21 # GodEater: No worries, we had a good one. Look after yourself. 12.28.30 # doing my best 12.28.41 # I'm going on a hen night this weekend. Should be, erm, interesting ;) 12.28.51 # so, where are the photos ? 12.29.09 # stripwax took some with his phone, but it was rather dark 12.29.17 # We managed 2 Towers 12.29.20 # can't wait 12.29.22 # GodEater: We were relying on your camera... 12.29.35 # Or rather a Henge and a Tower.. and a Staircase 12.29.58 # We had too many rounded corners for a decent tower though... 12.30.10 # * gevaerts thinks of a new slogan "Rockbox - the firmware that all RockStairs use" 12.30.17 # sorry :( 12.30.21 # GodEater: np ;) 12.30.40 # * pondlife proposed that RockboxPlayer should have a Lego-style body, for ease of Tower building 12.30.53 # That would be cheating ! 12.30.57 # Wasn't google built from lego? 12.31.00 # but innovative... 12.31.12 # * GodEater likes that idea and seconds it heartily 12.31.18 # You want to fit a bigger drive in. just add more bricks 12.31.31 # And it would offer a new way to brick your player. 12.31.36 # play dough, the ultimate in flexibility 12.31.40 # duh dum tsch 12.31.57 # Your DAP would get ever smaller though 12.32.09 # * gevaerts is still looking for a brick-patterned skin for his players 12.32.10 # (as bits of it got caught in the carpet) 12.32.37 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl) 12.33.33 # GodEater: I think this is the only picture to (almost) emerge from last night so far - http://www.beermex.com/rockhenge.jpg 12.33.40 # GodEater: http://www.beermex.com/rockhenge.jpg is one, but in the wrong aspect ratio 12.33.44 # Beat me 12.34.15 # whose site is that ? 12.34.25 # stripwax's, I think 12.35.04 # did he demonstrate any more unusual bugs that no-one believed existed ? :D 12.35.30 # No, but I had to reset with a staple 12.35.43 # H340 crashed in pictureflow 12.36.07 # * pondlife resolves to always carry his own staples in future 12.36.42 # brb 12.36.45 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 12.37.07 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 12.38.11 # * GodEater discovers that mibbit doesn't work without the https:// from work 12.38.44 # Does anyone feel that replacing the sidebar with a horizontal one would be unappealing? 12.38.49 # Slightly gimp-ed version here : http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/rockhenge.jpg 12.38.51 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 12.39.30 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.39.38 # Crash91: I personally prefer the top bar idea, it might work better for Flyspray 12.40.05 # i found this while looking for layout ideas, and it looks like a simple design http://www.freecsstemplates.org/preview/plainoffice 12.40.08 # Wouldn't a horizontal bar limit the number of options? 12.40.31 # Ah, frames... ;) 12.40.55 # Or I guess you just mean the content of the main frame? 12.41.06 # linuxstb: think of them as viewports ;) 12.41.06 # any other guys that feel that Neon John stepped over the line in the mailing list? 12.41.19 # * GodEater goes to read the ML 12.41.44 # pondlife: I went to pick up the HD yesterday... working like a charm :) 12.41.49 # thanks a bunch 12.41.50 # :) 12.42.43 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 12.42.50 # hmm, it's a little strong 12.42.54 # Nico_P: In other news, there's still a rare occasion when playback repeats a track when rebuffering occurs. :/ 12.42.58 # linuxstb: yes it would limit the options, but we can place other links in the rest of the page 12.43.27 # pondlife: I also got it to stop playback when it should have changed dirs 12.43.28 # LinusN: Where are the ML guidelines? 12.43.31 # LinusN: I think he definitely did 12.44.00 # Nico_P: Auto dir change is completely knackered on target at the moment. Sadly it works great on sim. 12.44.06 # Crash91: I personally like the "quick links" section on the ipodlinux.org home page, and would like something similar on rockbox.org 12.44.23 # LinusN: I like the comparison with pigs :) 12.44.23 # ah 12.44.28 # on the other hand, i didn't bother for a second that john said "crapple" and "sleazebay" 12.44.39 # nor me 12.44.40 # * Crash91 goes to take a look 12.44.53 # fairly descriptive to be honest 12.45.06 # so i think Paul was a little too sensitive there 12.45.23 # I think I'd be more inclined to let blind / foreign people start to complain about words they've not understood 12.45.29 # before jumping in and asking people not to use them 12.45.36 # my thinking as well 12.45.37 # linuxstb: I like it look, but it takes up more space 12.45.43 # I've never actually seen anyone pipe up and say "what does such-and-such mean?" 12.46.06 # Crash91: Yes, but IMO it makes good use of space - i.e. the user is drawn to it immediately. 12.46.16 # the* 12.46.26 # Maybe, but still he explained, and then went on to give a useful answer, so I don't see any reason for Neon John to reply like he did 12.46.33 # i'd like to keep the policing down a little to keep the friendliness up 12.46.42 # linuxstb: ok, ill probably go with that 12.47.33 # gevaerts: sure, the "f*ck yourself" was out of line, but for some reason i kind of understand john's reaction 12.48.59 # i think he would have felt otherwise if the complaint would have come *after* the useful response 12.49.23 # neon john has, um, let's call it "personality" :-) 12.49.29 # oh yes 12.50.44 # still, i don't want the rockbox community to be perceived as unfriendly or unwelcoming 12.51.12 # agreed 12.52.12 # i seriously think we need to keep our tone down a little, and that goes for all our channels, including the tracker and the forum 12.52.19 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279529889.dsl.bell.ca) 12.52.33 # * linuxstb agrees too 12.52.34 # I don't read Llorean's suggestion to use real words as unfriendly though, but then it seems I'm quite diplomatic... 12.53.15 # LinusN: I've personally found since we've added a few more "Experts" to the forums recently that my blood pressure when dealing with the unwashed masses has gone down considerably. I think we should get a few more promoted to spread the load still more. 12.53.19 # absolutely not unfriendly, but i would call it nitpicking 12.53.21 # I agree too :) 12.53.23 # hopefully this should help out everyone else too 12.53.43 # Maybe we just need to be more tolerant of things like "unreal words"... As long as the majority of people write reasonable English, that sets the tone and I would expect most people to follow it. 12.53.54 # I agree 12.54.20 # The difficulty comes when you do need to say something, then you get a load of crap abouyt well this person said this, etc.... 12.54.50 # besides, words like "thx" and "lol" etc, are pretty much established nowadays 12.55.04 # But (speaking for the forums for a minute) I/(we) can be too quick to just enforce rules to the detriment of anything else 12.55.06 # But there are some incomprehensible posts to the forums occasionally... 12.55.14 # I mean you could read Noen John's made up words as unfriendly too (towards Ipod users etc...) 12.56.04 # if I "understand" them correctly 12.56.35 # pixelma: You do, and I can see an Apple fan being 'insulted' 12.56.37 # s/Noen/Neon 12.56.50 # And all ebay users IIUC... 12.56.53 # Trouble is, intonation is so hard not face to face and just in text 12.56.58 # pixelma: sure, but if a ipod user feels insulted by that, he is the one that needs help 12.57.10 # lol 12.57.15 # I think it's reasonable that he replied, as Llorean might indeed have been a bit too trigger happy, but in my mind that never can excuse his language. 12.57.17 # never a truer word 12.57.52 # But it could avoid all feelings of insult, reasonable or not, if people didn't say things like that 12.58.10 # Still, saying crapple doesn't require a massive go either :) 12.58.10 Quit WatchDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.59.35 # * gevaerts gets out of the discussion, but still has trouble reading grammatically incorrect sentences in _any_ language, so he likes the attitude to not tolerate this... 13.00.50 # in this case, i think "tongue in cheek" describes it pretty well 13.02.03 # Aye, but lack of intonation, body language etc. over e-mail, IRC, forums etc. doesn't help 13.02.25 # sure, a smiley here and there won't hurt 13.02.48 # :) 13.02.53 # yep, indicting jokes is a good thing :) 13.03.10 # :) 13.03.52 # Too many smileys is bad too :) 13.04.01 # Indeed so 13.04.18 # still, an occasional "lol", "thx", "wtf" here and there, and some top-posting isn't the end of the world 13.04.43 # to me at least 13.05.08 # I find lazy posting (including an entire previous post, or worse, an entire ML digest) the only problem, really. 13.05.25 # same here, more or less 13.05.40 # I find the mixing of top and bottom posting withing a chain of e-mails makes it very hard to follow the conversation 13.05.44 # People need to be aware that this is a mailing list, not just a newsgroup. 13.05.45 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.07.04 # Why do we need both the forum and the ML anyway It's two places to check and to police. Is it not possible to make some kind of accessible interface to the forum? 13.08.09 # pondlife: such as allowing guests to post? 13.08.16 # i dislike forums, because it forces me to (1) poll actively, and (2) be online to participate 13.08.47 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 13.09.05 # Ah, yes. Offline use 13.09.08 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 13.09.25 # I prefer the ML to the forum, but I don't like the feeling of duplicatiion. 13.10.08 # integrating lists and forums is something of a holy grail. many have tried, none have succeeded afaik 13.10.11 # The downside of mailing lists is that you need subscribe to the lists... 13.10.15 # Well, I guess an advantage to the forum is that if you just want to ask something occasionally you don't get lots of e-mails all the time 13.10.30 # * linuxstb wouldn't like the Rockbox forums in his mailbox 13.10.31 # (without repeatedly subscribing and unsubscribing) 13.10.36 # hell no 13.10.43 # But you do get reminded about reading the manual a lot... 13.10.50 # You don't need to use e-mail for the ML. You can access it as a newsgroup. 13.10.55 # But I don't want the ML either, hence not signing up to it 13.11.06 # pondlife: And reply? 13.11.07 # pondlife: Good idea, let's go usenet... 13.11.10 # Yes 13.11.15 # * BigBambi didn't know that 13.11.17 # How? 13.11.36 # * pondlife searches the wiki 13.12.17 # Nope, it's not in there... 13.12.24 # gevaerts: Well that is what the manual is for 13.12.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.12.58 # * gevaerts now regrets not posting his question on the forum yesterday 13.13.16 # BigBambi: Go to news.gmane.org 13.13.31 # Then list the groups with rockbox in 13.13.33 # pondlife: Cool, cheers 13.13.51 # You need to be subscribed to the ML to post, but you can do that without the e-mail enabled. 13.14.17 # pondlife: Looks like it needs reclassifying though... comp.systems.archos.rockbox 13.14.33 # It's been there a long time... 13.14.36 # Is the announce mailing list still active? 13.14.49 # I don't check that one 13.15.36 # The last message was "Rockbox 2.3 released" 13.15.44 # A bit dead, then 13.16.26 # Did Archos ever get round to shipping Rockbox? 13.17.10 # no 13.17.43 # Zagor: I like your "Release" messages, very nice 13.18.30 # it's been a while :) 13.18.39 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnc183.ugent.be) 13.18.50 # Yes, but a nice little feature list.. 13.18.58 # * pondlife gets nostalgic for red led dead 13.20.34 # * Crash91 found this online, useful for improving accesibilty http://colorfilter.wickline.org/ 13.20.39 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 13.20.50 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 13.21.32 Join pondlif1 [0] (n=Steve@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 13.21.42 Part pondlif1 13.24.31 Join pondlif1 [0] (n=Steve@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 13.25.58 Quit pondlif1 (Client Quit) 13.31.18 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 13.31.35 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-67-190-234-51.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 13.35.35 Quit BigBambi ("CGI:IRC") 13.36.26 # heh, the reply to Neon John doesn't argue about the language but demonstrates why abbreviations are bad. Somehow ironic... 13.38.01 Quit pondlife (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.43.08 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.43.14 # or maybe this was on purpose 13.44.23 # * gevaerts finally figures out what a JBR is... 13.44.54 # hehe, old-school rockbox abbreviation... 13.45.43 # Maybe one more gsoc student application test ? 13.46.20 # "check out rockbox and compile for JBR" 13.46.55 # "check out rockbox and compile test_fps for JBR" 13.50.26 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 13.50.44 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 13.51.26 # Or a real test - "check out rockbox and compile test_codec for JBR" 13.51.37 # Do we actually want to get students ? 13.52.15 # well, last year's students did provide good chunks useful code... 13.52.35 # Well, two of them did... 13.53.39 # We were discussing this last night though - none of the projects seem that exciting this year... 13.54.10 # Maybe get a student to write USB audio ? 13.54.21 # usb host 13.54.23 # Is that 3 months work though? 13.54.28 # (to gevaerts0 13.54.53 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 13.55.38 # Depends. You can go pretty far with it (support recording from FM,...), and if that still isn't enough work, I hope to have usb host ready by then, so we will want host-side usb audio 13.57.44 # I think actual USB host would be a nice project as well, except (a) I want to have that earlier, and (b) there's no guarantee that we know enough about the hardware to actually get it to work (and that's not really fair if a student gets evaluated on results), and (c) it requires specific players, which the student might or might not have access to (maybe a weak reason) 13.58.28 # the students get 4500 USD, I do think they can be expected to pay 100-200 USD for a target if they don't have one 13.58.35 # Also, for audio, the current driver doesn't support isochronous yet, so the student would have to do that as well 13.58.54 # we denied one of the students target funding last year 13.59.00 # Bagder: yes, that's why that is a weak reason. 13.59.36 # yeps, I just wanted to clarify that I agree ;-) 13.59.44 # * gevaerts runs to a university to enroll, just to be able to get paid to work on rockbox for three months 13.59.50 # * pondlife too 14.00.05 # Can you be mentor and student at the same time ? 14.00.10 # no 14.00.22 # * gevaerts somehow expected that 14.00.28 # Plus you can't easily get hold of an H300, so the USB port I'd like isn't so easy. 14.00.55 # a worthy gsoc test: "get a h300" ;-) 14.01.00 # hehe 14.01.03 # pondlife: gigabeat F has it as well. That's the one I plan to work on 14.01.13 # Same Philips chip? 14.01.31 # * gevaerts looks 14.01.54 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 14.01.58 # gevaerts: Have you thought about buying a gigabeat S to get USB working there? 14.02.02 # * petur would be a bit surprised 14.02.25 # * pondlife too 14.02.32 # linuxstb: as far as I know it just misses the right device enable settings, and I'm no good at those 14.02.48 # Why is this kind of info not on the DeviceChart page ? 14.03.03 # Because you haven't added it yet... 14.03.06 # ;) 14.04.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents might be half useful 14.04.23 # Philips ISP1362 14.04.44 # pondlife: the gigabeat host controller = S3C2440 14.04.54 # * gevaerts is correcting the datasheet URL now 14.05.07 # Ah. Two halves of a GSoC projects then. 14.05.13 # project, even 14.05.41 # gevaerts: students get 500USD at the beginning, so it could be used to buy some target ;) 14.05.41 # Bagder: Have you submitted the Rockbox SoC application yet? 14.05.55 # Yep - they don't need food... 14.06.02 # * petur clicks http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatInfo/partlist.html and is surprised by the page 14.06.57 # Both the ISP1362 and the S3C2440 seem to be OHCI based 14.08.36 # petur: that is because attaching html documents is a very common wiki spamming method 14.08.45 # so we don't allow it 14.08.59 # I saw... the attachment link at the bottom works ok 14.10.56 # * gevaerts looks forward to reading all 160 pages of the OHCI spec 14.14.43 # What is GSoC? 14.15.00 # Beta2K: code.google.com/soc 14.15.13 Join pondlif1 [0] (n=Steve@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 14.15.28 Part pondlif1 14.15.41 # * gevaerts apoligises for using an ETLA 14.16.49 Quit midgey () 14.17.03 # What's a ETLA? 14.17.11 # :) 14.17.34 # TLA is "Three Letter Acronm", ETLA is "Extended TLA", so four (or more) letter acronym 14.18.22 # so ETLA is an ETLA 14.18.30 # which in turn is a PLJ 14.18.40 # * petur catches tail 14.18.42 # Profoundly Lame Joke 14.18.46 # Hum, wish I'd know about GSoC when I was in school... 14.19.20 # * gevaerts notices it's now exactly one month since USB storage started (somewhat) working, and gives everyone a beer to celebrate 14.19.53 # thanks" 14.20.04 # cheers 14.20.52 # * preglow is impressed by aotuv vorbis 14.21.02 # * preglow accepts a beer 14.21.17 # What kind of beer? 14.21.50 # a westvleteren, surely :V 14.21.50 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.22.04 # Never heard of that one... 14.22.12 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF5CD0.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.22.17 # even we have troubles getting that one :/ 14.22.35 # yeah, those monks are stubborn 14.23.59 # Who is working on the Gigabeat flash bootloader? 14.30.48 # * gevaerts collects all beer that hasn't been picked up, gives half to petur, and drinks the other half 14.31.11 # * petur hands half of his share to preglow 14.31.35 # better take it all, there's a shop around the corner here :p 14.32.27 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.31 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 14.33.04 Quit pondlife (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.33.26 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 14.35.36 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@barry-workstation.ucd.ie) 14.36.54 Quit Crash91 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.37.53 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279529889.dsl.bell.ca) 14.42.49 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@161.210.56.4) 14.49.13 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.49.32 Quit desowin () 14.58.47 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 15.04.08 # Beta2K: kkurbjun 15.05.50 Join perrikp [0] (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9f3079c5d9e24b6d) 15.06.24 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e251a93556a33268) 15.06.26 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.08.51 Quit midgey () 15.09.03 Nick perrikp is now known as perrikwp (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9f3079c5d9e24b6d) 15.12.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.12.53 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 15.13.04 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 15.13.36 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.14.11 # Thanks markun 15.15.03 # Morning, everyone! 15.16.36 # Good afternoon, LambdaCalculus37 ;) 15.18.13 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 15.18.40 # Good afternoon, everyone! 15.19.05 # * petur waits for a goodnight from somebody in india or beyond 15.19.24 # Hi pondlife! 15.20.18 # Hi, and bye 15.20.25 # Lunch time at last 15.21.18 # Enjoy! 15.24.15 Part LinusN 15.32.48 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 15.37.10 Join skbohra [0] (n=bijolian@117.199.113.152) 15.37.50 # hi everyone 15.39.01 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A6E6E.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.39.48 # Good evening. 15.40.14 # good evening 15.40.15 # markun: re Meizu, it was the mp3 players they were after: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/07/patent_crackdown_at_cebit/ 15.40.46 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.43.00 # petur: It was all about patents, wasn't it? 15.43.08 # yup 15.43.25 # mp3 15.44.04 # petur: This is one of the reasons why I don't use MP3s anymore. 15.44.29 # Except when it comes to my Archos. 15.44.37 # why can't the cabbiev2 volume indicator reach the top on h120? 15.44.58 # hmmm my whole music collection is in mp3 320kbps vbr... 15.45.41 # Mine is mostly Vorbis Q5 VBR. 15.45.52 # cabbiev2 volume sucks - /me wants numbers 15.46.09 # so don't use Cabbiev2 ? 15.46.58 # petur: 320kbps vbr? I thought 320kbps was the max bitrate ? 15.47.22 # yes, it is vbr without limit ;) 15.47.29 # ie max 320 15.47.55 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 15.48.13 # How does the encoder know when to use lower bitrate packets? 15.48.38 # you give it a quality factor (I used 'best') 15.48.54 # Isn't 'best' just 320kbps cbr though? 15.49.17 # no, the files are vbr.... 15.50.08 # preglow: because the .wps has a "bug" - the volume conditional is used wrong which is most noticable on targets which only go up to 0dB 15.50.32 Quit gidean ("Leaving") 15.50.49 # just noticed now that I look at the m:robe100 port (which was based off the 160x128 greyscale version) 15.56.32 # linuxstb: Freeformat allows >320kbps 15.57.07 # (but I don't know which player(s) support freeformat bitstreams, if any) 15.57.35 # amiconn: IIRC CDex also allows you to rip CDs at > 320kbps. 15.58.50 # amiconn: Seems libmad does... 16.03.47 # why would you want >320kbps? 16.04.39 # I doubt many people do... 16.04.56 # you'd have to be mad 16.05.20 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 16.05.28 # pondlife: Paging Mr. pondlife.... Mr. pondlife, you have a phone call at the front desk. 16.05.31 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 16.08.28 Quit petur ("life calls - /me answers") 16.13.24 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 16.13.30 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 16.16.39 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 16.17.34 # LambdaCalculus37: ? 16.18.29 Join mchua [0] (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 16.18.43 # pondlife: Last updated to r16538... still getting the occasional misbehaving with album playback. 16.19.06 # Once in a while, a track will repeat itself and the x of y counter counts up one. 16.19.36 Nick mchua is now known as mchua|away (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 16.19.48 # Yes, me too 16.20.09 # Exactly the same symptoms as before, but much less often 16.20.27 # Not seen it on the sim yet either 16.20.51 # pondlife: I haven't seen it in the sim, either. 16.21.18 # Perhaps I should undo that fix locally, then it will misbehave more often and in the sim, so I can work on the underlying issue (which must still be there) 16.21.58 # * gevaerts reminds people that you can now actually have realtime logf output from PP502x players 16.22.04 # Did this only start happening when Nico_P improved the track skip responsiveness, or did the occasional problem predate that? 16.22.13 # gevaerts: I have no PP player, sadly 16.22.18 # gevaerts: None of our playback hackers have a PP target though... 16.22.35 # I think they have Gigabeat Fs though... 16.22.46 # Nico_P now has LinusN's Video... 16.22.54 # The Gigabeat doesn't seem to show this particular issue - not yet anyway. 16.23.00 # pixelma: Ah yes... No excuse then. 16.23.03 # Like the sim, it's just too fast 16.23.06 # I've tried the logf 16.23.30 # it opens a lot of debugginf possibilities, but I don't have much hacking time ATM 16.24.06 # maybe this week end though 16.24.09 Nick mchua|away is now known as mchua (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 16.24.33 # Nico_P: Maybe start by attacking auto-change dir? At least that fails often 16.25.27 # * LambdaCalculus37 has lag 16.25.40 # I still feel that the auto_change_dir and automatic_skip global vars should vanish, ultimately.. 16.25.54 # * pondlife has lag too, he blames DevConPub3 16.28.00 # pondlife: When Nico_P improved the track skip. 16.28.34 # Are you sure? I recall very occasional problems, which I think predate that. 16.28.58 # Perhaps you could run the previous revision? 16.30.08 # pondlife: I think you may be right, then. 16.31.16 # Hmm, is www.rockbox.org down? 16.31.35 # I'm getting pings, but no site 16.33.22 # its not down 16.33.35 # Is it very slow? 16.33.48 # Like, minutes? 16.34.07 # I cant't seem to get new connections either. The irc log page I have open still updates though 16.34.25 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.34.39 # SVN is ok 16.34.50 # I'll use that 16.34.57 Quit axionix_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.35.16 # ya i think its down right now 16.35.24 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.35.55 # *#### 16.36.13 # I thik it's just extremely slow 16.36.14 # * pondlife builds r16422 16.36.18 Part skbohra 16.38.27 # open for me... but it did take a while 16.39.05 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 16.39.37 # Seems ok now 16.41.24 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-efecb35798cdfed2) 16.42.19 # * LambdaCalculus37 hates severe lag 16.43.57 # * LambdaCalculus37 goes to check the log to see what he missed 16.46.37 # LambdaCalculus37: If you could build and run r16422 for a while, that would be useful 16.47.09 # pondlife: I can't build right now (no laptop on me), but I can download it. and run it. 16.47.24 # I can build for you, which target? 16.47.43 # pondlife: iPod video 30GB. 16.47.52 # OK 16.48.45 # pondlife: How do you want to send it? 16.49.12 # I'll make it available for download 16.49.26 # RapidShare? 16.50.28 # Probably not, just super-slow NTHell 16.50.31 # Nico_P: got a wps parser question. I see that the %bp tag is only enabled for targets with CONFIG_CHARGING, wouldn't it make sense for the Ondio too which has no charging but can be run off USB power? 16.51.00 # probably 16.51.13 # I mean the menu status bar shows that state too 16.52.27 # * pondlife wants a WPS tag for CPU boosted or not 16.52.29 Nick mchua is now known as mchua|away (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 16.52.40 # I'm not sure if a different icon is used there though 16.53.00 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 16.58.19 # LambdaCalculus37: Could you try to download http://pondlife.homeip.net/images/rockbox.zip ? 16.58.29 # See what speed you get 16.58.37 # Probably s l o o o w 17.00.37 # pondlife: Oh damn, it's slow. :) 17.00.46 # Averaging 50KB/s. 17.00.57 # 256kbits/s 17.01.30 # * LambdaCalculus37 has the file successfully downloaded and is extracting it to his iPod now 17.01.33 # averaging 25kbps :-( 17.02.01 # LambdaCalculus37: That was quick enough 17.02.17 # Did you get it intact? 17.02.36 # pondlife: Yes, I managed to open it and extract it with no troubles. 17.03.07 # Now play music 17.03.08 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.03.20 # And see it it does anything silly 17.03.41 # * LambdaCalculus37 picks an album and plays 17.03.49 # A long album 17.04.17 # A long album, you say? Will do. 17.04.32 # Well, >32MB 17.04.32 # I know just the album. :) 17.04.45 # One you like all the tracks, and know well 17.05.28 # pondlife: Downloaded Nine Inch Nails "Ghosts I-IV" earlier. Q5 FLAC, 36 tracks, gapless. 17.05.32 # Using that for the test. 17.11.03 Quit gevaerts ("going home") 17.12.30 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-102-203.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 17.12.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.14.45 Quit wisp_sh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.14.53 # pondlife: Three tracks in; so far so good. 17.15.22 # I expect we'll need to listen to many albums before it fails. 17.15.28 # (If it fails.) 17.15.46 # With SVN I've only had the problem twice 17.16.11 # And I run playback near-continuously whilst I work 17.16.52 # I'm always listening to music at work, too. 17.17.28 # Problem is, we can never have certainty. Only if it fails can we get a result. 17.17.48 # But if it works ok for a week, that's probably a good sign 17.18.07 # * pondlife wonders if he can resist upgrading for a whole week 17.18.19 # Nobody better commit any good features. 17.18.26 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.19.56 # Yes, that's right! No one commit any good features that'll make me or pondlife want to update! :) 17.26.26 # pondlife: At track 6 of 36; still watching for any silliness. 17.35.49 # pondlife: Track 10 now; still playing correctly. 17.36.17 # It's ok. you only need to let me know if it fails... ;) 17.36.26 # That's what I'll do. 17.37.14 Join japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235) 17.40.39 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.41.05 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 17.50.36 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 17.54.08 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.55.43 Nick mchua|away is now known as mchua (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 18.02.16 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 18.03.14 Quit TMM (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.08.02 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 18.08.02 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.12.51 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 18.13.41 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 18.14.46 Quit basti (Remote closed the connection) 18.15.05 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 18.15.55 Nick mchua is now known as mchua|away (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 18.16.40 Part makdaknife ("Connection terminated!") 18.16.46 # * gevaerts now has an ipid video, and starts coding new interesting features 18.17.09 # Also an ipod... 18.18.00 # gevaerts: Welcome to the iPod club. :) 18.19.48 # Building a bootloader now (I don't feel like using a downloaded build) 18.20.57 # gevaerts: I'll help test your work. 18.21.40 # LambdaCalculus37: you can't, you have to stay on this old revision ;) 18.21.46 # hehe 18.21.56 # LambdaCalculus37: Avoid temptation... 18.23.55 # Must... resist.... 18.24.23 # Can't... lose... control....! 18.26.23 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.26.47 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.26.47 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 18.28.13 # "Thank you for signing up your organization with the Google Summer of Code." 18.28.20 Quit midgey () 18.29.39 # application submitted! 18.31.28 # * linuxstb sits back and waits for fame, fortune and free labour 18.31.40 # so did you end up putting a mentor list on there, or just figure people will apply after we are accepted? 18.32.43 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 18.33.02 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 18.33.15 # * linuxstb reads the timeline and sees we have 10 days to wait to know if we're accepted 18.33.38 # scorche: it's easier to just let people add themselves as mentors 18.33.45 # * gevaerts now has three players running rockbox 18.33.54 # or at least not do it at this point 18.34.05 # alright 18.34.17 # gevaerts: Not bad for a month's work... 18.34.25 # gevaerts: c200, Gigabeat, and iPod video, correct? 18.34.27 # gevaerts: tis a good start ;) 18.34.46 # I decided to go for a USE_ROCKBOX_USB high-speed build right away 18.35.03 # LambdaCalculus37: correct. I need to update the RockboxTesting page 18.35.51 Join dave [0] (n=3e44bf6d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-71abd1573f64082d) 18.36.11 # The manual is missing "installing from svn" in the installation chapter, for if you don't want to download ipodpatcher 18.36.55 # cd rbutil/ipodpatcher && make ipodpatcher && ./ipodpatcher -a ../../build-bootloader/bootloader.ipod 18.37.14 # can somebody help me? i've got a 5.5g ipod and the rockboy is too slow... i dont know why... 18.37.18 # gevaerts: Adding that may drive some new users crazy. As if the manual doesn't do that already. :) 18.37.19 # I did figure it out ;) 18.37.33 # dave: define "too slow" 18.38.01 # that game is faster on my gba.. 18.38.07 # dave: I believe it's normal for Rockboy not to be fullspeed 18.38.09 # so mutch faster 18.38.12 # of course it will be... 18.38.22 # the gba is running it natively...not emulating 18.38.34 # yeahyeah i know 18.38.48 # but the sounds are bad too 18.38.59 # that is a known issue 18.39.02 # dave: So shut sound off. 18.39.04 # dave: Yes, rockboy sucks... 18.39.12 # If you've got a GBA, use that :) 18.39.19 # we dont really have any current developers for rockboy at the moment 18.39.21 # :D 18.39.38 # ok i see 18.40.19 # and... how can i install that patches on the rockbox, for ex: doom etc? 18.40.27 # I'm sorry dave, we can't let you do that. 18.40.30 # lol 18.40.42 # (sorry..couldnt resist) 18.40.56 # dave: Doom is included, you just need the maps 18.41.27 # someone who's seen Rockboy on an Archos Recorder knows what real slow is... ;) 18.41.43 # okok.. i saw a scroll wheel patch for the doom i want to install it thats all 18.41.52 Quit Siku () 18.42.00 # dave: see the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page 18.42.10 # OK, you need to be able to compile your own Rockbox first 18.42.24 # s/maps/wads a few lines up 18.42.40 # pixelma: I saw Rockbox on my JBR. *Damn* slow. :) 18.42.57 # *s/x/y 18.44.08 # * gevaerts doesn't have enough usb ports on his laptop 18.44.39 # LambdaCalculus37: my Ondio doesn't have it - too few buttons. But I tested ZXBox on it and only later I saw Rockboy on a Recorder and my impression was that ZXBox (which is disabled for all Archos) is even a bit faster 18.44.44 # * scorche|sh hands gevaerts a Tardis USB hub 18.44.50 Quit pondlife ("Leaving.") 18.46.53 # Curious: does the H320 have any other method of resetting, besides the reset pin? 18.47.11 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.47.14 # * gevaerts thanks scorche|sh for the Tardis hub and tries to plug it in, but it seems the cable got lost at some other time 18.48.44 Quit ender` (" cd /pub && get beer") 18.52.49 Join bruges [0] (n=bruges@e178046240.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.53.03 Nick bruges is now known as bruges|afk (n=bruges@e178046240.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.55.58 Quit krazykit ("driving home in shitty snow") 18.57.12 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.58.49 # m leaving.. bye all 18.58.52 Quit dave ("CGI:IRC") 19.00.16 # * amiconn reminds gevaerts that rockbox' high speed usb mode doesn't seem to like hubs 19.00.23 # It seems that signal quality is better for my ipod than for my sansa 19.00.48 # * gevaerts will go and find his hub soon 19.00.55 # gevaerts: Did you notice which ipod video it is? (512 or 2048 byte sectors) 19.01.02 # * BigBambi is impressed by the rate at which gevaerts' has acquired targets :) 19.01.28 # linuxstb: 512 byte sectors (I had to check, it was a HFS one) 19.01.49 # According to the apple website, the serial number says it's a 5G 19.01.53 # 30 or 60 GB? 19.02.02 # 30GB 19.03.29 # BigBambi: I'm slowing down now, although H10s seem to be cheap, so I might get one as well 19.03.46 # Well you can never have too many :) 19.04.03 # no but you can spend too much 19.04.10 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 19.04.48 # * amiconn needs to find a way to trick gevaerts into buying an iriver H300 ;) 19.07.05 # * gevaerts checks ebay, but wants to know what feature amiconn needs 19.07.16 # USB host... 19.07.54 # I don't really use it much, but it's the one feature of the H300 OF rockbox doesn't support yet 19.08.07 # That should be OHCI (the SoC spec says so), so once it works on my gigabeat, it should be trivial to get it to work on H300 19.08.38 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A3C92.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.08.41 # Yeah, provided that we get the inits right 19.09.08 # * gevaerts doesn't like these inits 19.09.16 # The gigabeat is also OHCI? 19.10.12 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-00756.home.otenet.gr) 19.10.54 # That's what the S3C2440A spec says. It just has one page of register addresses, and refers to the OHCI spec for details 19.11.49 # That means it's fullspeed only, correct? 19.12.03 # Yes 19.12.24 # ISP1362 is also fullspeed only 19.13.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.13.11 # the usb from the cpu is only available on the dock, the other one go through the usb 2 ata bridge 19.13.21 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatInfo?rev=1;filename=gigabeat_f40_block_diagrams_rotated.pdf 19.14.25 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@108-014-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 19.14.30 # True. It looks like the gigabeat implements some kind of hub logic in its dock. It _should_ be possible to use host usb directly through the dock connector, of you manage to get 5V from somewhere. 19.15.05 # ther is no 5v output direct from the connector 19.15.19 # s/of/if 19.15.28 # only 4,2V, not enough to power a usb key for example 19.15.41 # Maybe a battery pack ? 4.2V is indeed out of spec 19.16.10 # I have all the component to make the interface but never had time to do it, but now that I find the connector, I will try to do it 19.17.36 # gevaerts: if you are interested , I have all the wiring of the gigabeat F (almost all) didn't put it on the wiki because i is not really finished 19.18.58 # toffe82: I can't really use it right now. For host support, the dock is sufficient, and I'm not especially handy when soldering is involved. 19.18.58 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.19.43 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.22.16 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.22.44 # do I miss something ? 19.23.10 # no 19.23.10 # Nope 19.23.31 # * amiconn recommends the fine logs 19.23.37 # toffe82: I can't really use it right now. For host support, the dock is sufficient, and I'm not especially handy when soldering is involved. 19.23.51 # :) 19.23.56 # * gevaerts isn't sure if toffe82 got that before 19.24.09 # * bertrik is sorry for saying no 19.25.39 # :) 19.25.47 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.26.13 # jhMikeS: ping 19.27.56 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 19.28.25 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 19.28.45 # * LambdaCalculus37 managed to make it through an entire album on r16422 without a single problem 19.30.35 # Half of the h300s on ebay have rockbox installed 19.32.26 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4d0190594944e648) 19.34.46 Join SteveGercak [0] (n=4cbd8c1d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-804a617a478ad430) 19.38.02 # gevarts: You serious? 19.38.06 # * LambdaCalculus37 goes to look 19.39.27 # Hello Everyone I am writing here to ask for write permission... I hope I am in the correct area... let me know if I am not 19.40.46 # LambdaCalculus37: at least for the ones I find (i.e. those that are willing to send to Belgium) 19.41.06 # SteveGerack: You are. Your wiki name? 19.41.51 # * LambdaCalculus37 stated the obvious :) 19.41.52 # SteveGercak is my Wiki name 19.41.59 # One moment. 19.42.30 Quit Horscht ("I got raided by the FBI and all i got is this lousy quit message") 19.43.01 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 19.43.19 # SteveGercak: Done. Welcome to the wiki! No spamming, now! :) 19.44.13 # LambdaCalculus37: Thank You and ofcourse not :) 19.49.03 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.50.14 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 19.51.11 # * gevaerts is now testing with a hub, and sees the problems amiconn mentionned 19.52.38 Quit SteveGercak ("CGI:IRC") 19.54.14 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 19.56.29 # It seems that I have a working solution for the PP5002 crash bug :D 19.56.42 # Oh man, PP5002 is really broken in some areas.... 19.57.11 # low_light: I was just looking around for an m:robe100 owner... 19.57.15 # amiconn: What's your solution? 19.57.41 # The problem is indeed that it crashes if the instruction that puts it to sleep is located at xxxxxxx0, i.e. at a cache line boundary 19.58.17 # So I introduced a short sequence that ensures the instruction that *actually* puts it to sleep is never located at xxxxxxx0 19.59.25 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.59.54 # I test the PC register, and use a streq / strne pair so that it always picks the one that's not located at xxxxx0 20.00.19 # Unfortunately, a simple solution using .align doesn't work, for 2 reasons 20.01.15 # (1) On arm, .align doesn't pad with NOPs in a code section, and the optional padding value is a byte, not a word 20.02.17 # (2) Even if that worked, linking can change alignment later, because code sections aren't padded to cache-lines per object file (like e.g. on SH) 20.02.53 Quit BobShield (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.03.50 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 20.05.22 # * gevaerts decides he doesn't want a PP5002-based player 20.07.41 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.07.50 # * amiconn would like to see firewire supported on the ipods which have that 20.08.39 # * LambdaCalculus37 already has enough PP-based players 20.09.59 # * gevaerts won't be tricked into writing firewire drivers 20.10.15 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-102-203.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20.12.20 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.12.33 # Anyone around with a 3rd Gen ipod? 20.12.41 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 20.12.41 # * Beta2K sujests to gecaerts that he write a firewire driver 20.14.00 # amiconn: fwiw, the battery benchmarks on my H10 with or without powermanagement are identical, so the microdrive does its own thing. I wonder if this setting has any effect on any target (did anybody ever test?) 20.14.25 # It does for sure on targets without hdd poweroff 20.14.37 # Did you didable hdd poweroff for your test? 20.14.58 # no 20.15.07 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 20.15.11 # that wouldn have been realistic 20.15.20 Join SSnake [0] (n=dfsff@host-84-220-194-171.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 20.15.27 # pixelma: yes 20.15.28 # hi all 20.15.55 # petur: You need to disable it in order to see a difference... 20.16.10 # but why? 20.16.37 # if it doesn't have effect in *normal use*, I don't care about special unrealistic cases 20.16.49 # Not all targets have hdd poweroff 20.16.57 # hmmmm 20.17.10 # point taken 20.17.30 # i've a really bad problem with a menu macro:MENUITEM_FUNCTION_DYNTEXT raises an error from the linker 20.17.48 # The Players don't in svn, because some player crash when enabling it (mine doesn't, so my private builds do have it), The FM/v2 don't, for a rather special reason (wrong wiring) 20.17.51 # but all goes good when i try compile a sim build 20.18.00 # moot point anyway because it looks like the powermanagement detection is good 20.18.17 # The FM/v2 *can* power off the hdd, but if the hdd is powered off, battery voltage cannot be measured 20.18.27 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 20.19.16 # * amiconn wonders why mpegplayer refuses to work... 20.19.46 # anyone can help me try to figure out where's the problem? 20.20.00 # * amiconn would need an spc file to check whether mpegplayer or dualcore is the problem... 20.20.17 # Afaik spc is the only other place that already uses dualcore 20.20.18 # undefined reference to `memcpy' 20.20.18 # collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 20.20.28 # SSnake: just to verify, did you run make clean ? 20.20.37 # yes of course 20.20.49 # i've tried deleting all build dir 20.21.33 # it seems nobody used this macro menu in a plugin ever 20.21.34 # amiconn: I can send you an SPC file to test. 20.22.29 # the compilation goes ok, only the linkage brakes when tries to resolve memcpy.... 20.22.39