--- Log for 17.03.108 Server: heinlein.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 21 hours ago 00.02.15 # It seems to work here (actually it gets stuck in a reboot loop because of my patched bootloader that boots rockbox with usb connected as well) 00.03.00 # pikhq: can you check if your cable is properly connected, and if usb works properly in the OF ? 00.04.42 # * gevaerts just got reminded how cabbiev2 looks on sansa c200, and still doesn't like it 00.05.23 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 00.05.27 # gevaerts: The cable is properly connected; the e200 is sitting here charging as we speak. 00.05.47 Join jas6180_ [0] (n=jas6180@dialup-4.156.9.239.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 00.05.50 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 00.05.50 # Just a sec while I confirm with the OF. 00.05.56 # * pixelma thinks it already looks better with nimbus-11 on her c250 (though still wouldn't use it) 00.06.02 # Yeah; it works in the OF. 00.06.37 # And *now* my Sansa just locks up when plugged in, instead of rebooting. 00.06.53 # like a drum? 00.07.06 # No, like a lock. 00.07.56 # That sounds better ;) It seems to happen on random builds, so you could try an older one (I don't have an e200, so I can't recommend a specific working revision) 00.08.41 Quit DefineByte ("Bye all") 00.09.29 # Does that happen with the USB-enabled builds? 00.10.13 # USB enabled builds don't reboot, so no. The lock up is a bug somewhere in the sansa reboot code. 00.10.16 # JdGordon|uni: I don't understand how (for example) "wps1", "wps2" etc is easier to understand than just 1, 2, etc though (the user still needs to refer back to the list to see what they mean). I thought your suggestion was going to be to just use the font filenames directly. 00.10.22 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.10.22 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.10.43 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.10.57 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98214a43@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-064cd327d78f66a5) 00.11.01 Quit perrikwp (Remote closed the connection) 00.13.23 Quit jas6180 (Connection timed out) 00.13.54 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98214a43@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5efc998e910c69e6) 00.13.54 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.17.18 Part Nevtus ("Gone") 00.17.33 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 00.17.38 Quit stripwax__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.18.32 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 00.18.34 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=82c20d65@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.18.44 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98214a43@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-09c04a2ab8fe4d80) 00.18.50 Join PatrickPatience [0] (n=PatrickP@dpc6747231200.direcpc.com) 00.19.10 Join JdGordon_ [0] (i=82c20d65@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.19.15 Nick PatrickPatience is now known as jeff2143 (n=PatrickP@dpc6747231200.direcpc.com) 00.19.27 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.20.07 # Is this a common issue, I installed RockBox on my first gen iPod nano, and then it was working fine, I tried to setup the database, it told be to reboot the iPod, I did, and now the iPod won't start. 00.20.24 Quit JdGordon|uni (Client Quit) 00.20.57 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon|uni (i=82c20d65@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.21.04 # How did you reboot? A long press on PLAY/PAUSE ? 00.21.14 # Yes. 00.21.20 # And it just said shutting down. 00.21.45 # Then yes, it's quite common. Just hold MENU+SELECT together to reset your ipod. It seems to be a bug in Apple's bootloader (not turning on when it should). 00.22.20 Join Nevtus [0] (n=Nevtus@unaffiliated/nevtus) 00.23.38 # Alright, sorry, that should have been obvious, I'll try that. 00.24.05 # linuxstb: Think maybe that should be in the documentation? 00.24.09 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.24.26 # Thanks, we're all good now. 00.25.04 # * gevaerts is going to get some sleep 00.25.11 Quit gevaerts ("Goodnight") 00.25.47 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.25.53 # pikhq: I guess it wouldn't hurt - a troubleshooting section in the manual would be nice. 00.25.53 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.25.57 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.26.05 # Yea, that's what I tried looking for. 00.26.49 Join stripwax__ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 00.27.21 Part jeff2143 ("Leaving.") 00.32.34 Quit BlakeJohnson87 ("Leaving.") 00.40.04 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.40.24 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.41.08 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 00.46.37 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 00.47.43 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.51.41 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-0cev9vm.cable.mindspring.com) 00.53.17 # JdGordon: ping 00.55.48 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.55.54 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.56.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.58.33 Quit stripwax__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.59.51 Quit ompaul ("good night") 01.00.42 Join stripwax__ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 01.01.54 Quit ender` (" Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work done. -- Linus Torvalds") 01.04.10 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-67-190-234-51.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 01.04.48 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98212f24@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7b194dd9606a4b05) 01.12.42 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.14.05 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.15.38 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B0334CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.16.09 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-135-34-201.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 01.17.53 Quit stripwax__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.21.35 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 01.25.47 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.25.50 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.25.57 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.27.43 # * amiconn found another (non-critical) bug affecting all iaudio bootloaders 01.28.33 # It's possible to boot an iaudio X5 or M5 with the remote Play button even if remote hold is enabled 01.29.12 # With the main power button this isn't possible because Power and Hold are mechanically mutually exclusive on X5/M5 01.29.46 # On M3, both main & remote Play work with the respective (or both) hold switches enabled 01.30.11 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 01.32.06 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.33.55 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") 01.34.08 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host76-226-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 01.36.46 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.40.25 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.43.35 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-172-5.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.43.48 Quit nicktastic (Remote closed the connection) 01.49.34 Quit z35 ("Leaving") 01.51.01 Join z35 [0] (n=z@149.123.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.06.53 Quit RexDart () 02.09.01 Part pixelma 02.17.33 Join jpt9 [0] (n=jpt9@geodude-25.dynamic.rpi.edu) 02.17.37 # hey. 02.18.11 # I'm not trying to be annoying -- I'm just curious -- but are there any efforts to port Rockbox to any currently purchasable (new) MP3 players? 02.18.23 # * jpt9 has a Sansa e250R and is quite happy with Rockbox on it! 02.18.46 Quit midgey () 02.23.03 # I believe that there are efforts to port to the e200 v2s. . . 02.24.12 # really? 02.24.38 # yes 02.24.41 # cool. 02.24.56 # as well as many other current players - including the juicy Cowon D2. 02.25.17 # s/juicy/pricey ;) 02.29.29 # rockbox is awesome. 02.35.26 Quit Nevtus (Remote closed the connection) 02.36.46 Join Nevtus [0] (n=Nevtus@unaffiliated/nevtus) 02.43.28 Quit jas6180_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.46.54 Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.47.10 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 02.50.48 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 02.54.39 Join svenVI [0] (n=steven@12-201-56-159.client.mchsi.com) 02.54.42 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.54.49 Quit midgey (Client Quit) 02.55.57 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98215ded@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cec62f4de32d37df) 02.56.43 # I am interested in working on an iPod Classic port of Rockbox. How often to people come in here making this claim? 02.56.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.57.46 # Very rarely. 02.58.31 # svenVI: do you know what such a port would require? 02.59.11 # Hacking the encryption and making sense of undocumented hardware. I know it is not likely to ever happen. 03.02.47 # ghahhhrrgg! 03.02.51 Join BigMac [0] (n=Me@c-67-189-253-195.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 03.03.53 # * amiconn just noticed that the inerrupt handling during boot on all coldfire targets is very undetermined 03.04.15 # It's pure luck that there were no noticeable problems because of this so far 03.04.40 # * amiconn needs some sleep now though, and will investigate later 03.05.00 Join malahal_ [0] (n=malahal@pool-71-245-98-81.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) 03.05.44 # when I do 'long select' on a directory in 'File Browser', it just plays one file in that directory. How do I play all files in it? 03.08.03 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.08.08 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98215ded@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-54cf43e8191c1532) 03.11.11 # anyone here? 03.11.39 # yes. no guarantee that i'll be particularly useful, as I'm just a user... 03.11.48 # malahal_: When you do "long select" it should just pop up a menu, not play anything. 03.12.01 # What player do you have, and which physical button are you referring to as "select"? 03.12.23 # Llorean, yes, it does. It shows up 'playlist, etc...' 03.12.31 # Llorean, sansa e250R 03.13.22 # So why not explain what all you're doing? How'm I supposed to know what you're doing if you give me wrong information, I'll think you're talking about some other bug (it'd be a very significant bug if long select was playing files) 03.13.32 # Llorean, I can view that 'show/view playlist' shows all songs from that directory, but it doesn't go and plat the next file from the directory.. 03.14.08 # What "repeat" mode is set? 03.14.24 # Llorean, good question. Let me check. 03.15.04 # Llorean, how do I check that? 03.15.54 # It's in the quick screen, as well as the playback settings menu, iirc. 03.15.58 # got it, the mode is A-B 03.16.19 # shall i set it to 'OFF' 03.16.38 # Sure 03.17.12 # great, it works! 03.17.43 # Is there a way I can stop playing the 'playlist' after some time, let us say 30 minutes? 03.18.04 # The sleep timer will shut off your player after a certain period of time 03.22.32 Quit courtc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.22.55 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 03.26.31 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=82c20d66@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.28.16 # Llorean, Thank you very much. That is all I need now! 03.29.01 Quit corevette (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.40.42 Quit malahal_ ("Leaving") 03.44.47 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=root@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 03.51.17 # JdGordon|uni: I wanted to confirm that you got what I was saying about the Recorder's WRS not having enough space to accomodate three lines above the peakmeters 03.53.21 # as long as it has at least one line under the PM then there is enough room... 03.53.33 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 03.55.16 # There would be two when the trigger is active and three when the trigger is inactive. So, a one line scolling list is OK? 04.00.52 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 04.00.58 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 04.01.41 # Davide-NYC: sure, its a list so pressing up/down would change the item being displayed 04.03.20 # We need at least two items to be displayed below the PM because both L and R gains can be selected at once (currently) 04.03.41 # otherwise we'll need another line item for L+R Gains 04.03.58 # (lowering or raising both gains at once) 04.05.01 # But even on the Recorder's screen I thing two lines will fit. 04.06.57 # s/thing/think 04.07.15 Join stampes [0] (n=stampes@fusig-204-131-51-75.glib.net) 04.08.54 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-243-12.dsl.telepac.pt) 04.27.47 Quit gnoob ("Leaving") 04.29.43 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.29.44 Quit japc (Remote closed the connection) 04.33.32 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.33.59 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF46DD.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.37.46 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 04.37.51 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 04.38.57 # Davide-NYC: the reworked screen will not be exactly the same as the current one... you wont be able to select more than 1 line at a time 04.39.04 # the gain will be in 3 seperate lines 04.39.08 # L, R, L+R 04.39.52 # maybe L+R and balance? (one less line and same effect) 04.41.04 # And the trigger will always be visible at the bottom. Correct? 04.41.22 Join Newuser [0] (n=47ab05a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-40f5ef4738b81a68) 04.41.32 # can someone help me out here? 04.41.47 # hello? 04.41.53 Quit Newuser (Client Quit) 04.41.56 Join Newuser [0] (n=47ab05a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f10c8bbcbaeacc13) 04.42.10 # can someone help me with RB here? 04.42.20 # not if you dont ask a quesiton 04.42.22 Quit Newuser (Client Quit) 04.42.33 # Davide-NYC: well the items need to be worked out still 04.42.48 # I'm very excited. Thanks for doing this. 04.43.09 # dont get too excited... i have a tendancy of losing interest in things like this :p 04.43.22 # :-0 04.44.23 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.56.48 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 04.56.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.01.40 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.01.59 Join rocko [0] (n=rocko@c-71-235-127-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 05.03.21 Quit argumentD (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.07.51 Quit BigMac ("Leaving") 05.11.06 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 05.11.56 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secl@adsl-70-237-238-171.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 05.12.18 # hi, i just installed rockbox to an ipod photo using the automated installer on linux, and i'm getting an error saying that rockbox.ipod can't be found 05.12.20 # any dieas? 05.14.29 Quit Zarggg () 05.14.34 # using rbutil? 05.16.01 # scorche: yes 05.19.09 # i'm trying the manual installation 05.19.23 # shouldn't have bothered with the automated one 05.19.26 # just can't trust a gui ;) 05.19.31 Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.20.19 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 05.23.34 # wow, rockbox looks really different from more than a year ago when i first tried it 05.25.37 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 05.27.39 Quit Horschti ("I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup") 05.31.48 Quit jpt9 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.31.56 Quit RoC_MasterMind ("Leaving") 05.34.28 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.34.32 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 05.35.44 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98215aef@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-297c3f8a38ae67e7) 05.38.47 # when i try to play an mp3 file in the default installation, it's just sitting there at 0:00 and not outputting any audio 05.38.51 # anyone know what's going on? 05.41.51 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-35-211-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 05.52.51 # secleinteer: I have that occasionally, but a reboot fixes it. 05.54.02 # Is there a bug report filed on this problem? 05.54.56 # I haven't looked. 05.55.51 # Well, generally speaking, it's a good idea to look if you're experiencing a regular problem. The devs won't no about it if nobody reports it, so it's not gonna get fixed. 05.57.34 Quit stampes ("IRC is just multiplayer notepad") 06.02.16 # It didn't happen much. I can't really remember, but I think it happened under some certain circumstances. I occasionally accidentally started recording, and I think it might have happened then. I don't actually have a working Rockbox target now though. 06.03.21 # So, you don't "have" that occasionally 06.03.23 # get ready for a bunch of sansa pre-buy questions again for today... http://www.woot.com/ 06.03.56 # You had that, in the past... and have no idea if it exists in recent builds. As well, if you had a portalplayer target, it's well known that music didn't work after recording. 06.05.06 # Yes it was an iPod 5G 06.05.27 # I guess since I'm buying another one, I kept it in the "have" tense. 06.06.11 # Generally, it's not good to reinforce that a problem is "just part of Rockbox" if you can't verify it yourself. It's possible that he's experiencing something different (we don't know what player he has, nor if he's gone into recording, and it could easily be something like bad metadata or similar) 06.07.34 # I didn't mean to do that, I was just trying to fix it for him, since rebooting always fixed it for me. 06.08.27 Quit midgey () 06.08.43 # But in the future I will try to diagnose first, then solve. 06.10.19 # Slasheri: you around? 06.15.40 # cool_walking_: ok, i'll try that 06.16.01 # i think i did start recording on accident 06.18.36 Join Keypad2 [0] (n=keypad@125-238-133-58.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) 06.23.08 # definitive price of the connector here :http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SpareParts 06.27.06 # for the gigabeat :) 06.27.15 Quit desowin () 06.28.03 Quit wisp_sh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.28.33 # * Hodapp ponders hax0ring his iPod for a bigger|quieter drive 06.31.56 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 06.33.54 # Hey guys 06.34.04 # I was thinking about buying a Ipod mini 06.34.09 # for my flac collection 06.34.22 # Does any one know if flac works perfect on a ipod mini ? 06.37.03 # It should be fine 06.37.15 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 06.38.40 # Llorean: the new ipod's don't work with rockbox, right? 06.38.47 # right 06.38.56 # so how can he use the ipod mini with flac? 06.39.14 # Because rockbox runs on it ? 06.39.22 # The iPod Mini is an old iPod 06.39.37 # and they have figured out how to compile and code and execute it ? 06.39.37 # The new iPods are the Generation 3 Nano, the Generation 2 Shuffle, the "iPod Classic", and the iPod Touch 06.39.59 # Hopefully the mini is fine :P 06.40.32 # I dont think the ipod mini v2 works well tho 06.40.47 # Both models of the Mini work fine. 06.40.49 # oh, damn 06.40.50 # lol 06.41.01 # for a sec i thought there was a way to run rockbox on a new ipod 06.41.09 # Oh crap..... 06.41.09 # Mini 1st Gen. DONE Rockbox works with audio playback, but some more optimization is still needed. 06.41.10 # Mini 2nd Gen. DONE Port is being actively optimized - Rockbox works quite nicely and plays audio. 06.41.31 # When it plays audio does that mean it plays all audio formats fine ? 06.41.35 # Please don't paste multiple lines into the channel 06.41.57 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 06.42.01 # Sorry mate. 06.42.05 Nick Keypad2 is now known as Keypad (n=keypad@125-238-133-58.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) 06.42.06 # When it plays audio, that just means it plays audio. Whether a format works well depends on optimizations, but FLAC is usually one of the fastest (and thus, requiring the least optimizations) format. 06.42.23 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-90.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.42.34 # I thought that since it was compressed and rather large it was hard to read. 06.42.55 # Keypad: nearly all audio formats are compressed... 06.43.41 # Llorean: so is there no chance of getting rockbox on the new ipods? 06.44.45 # secleinteer: It's awful hard to prove that something's impossible. But nobody's working on it, so it's not gonna happen until some owners of the players step forward and start more seriously investigating and working. 06.46.52 # ah 06.46.57 # so no one really cares right now? 06.47.54 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.47.54 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 06.48.13 # Ports usually happen when someone who owns the player, or is already interested in it, works on it. 06.48.35 # And there's nothing about the new iPods that has really inspired anyone, it seems. 06.50.32 # lol 06.50.47 # Llorean: well i'm looking for a new large hdd player that's rockbox supported 06.50.51 # and these ipods seem ok 06.51.27 # i'd like to be able to rsync my music directory to the pmp, which i could do with rockbox 06.51.44 # but the directory is rather large, so i'd need the 160 gb ipod 06.52.12 Join cendres [0] (n=ashes@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:0:0:0:a9) 06.52.36 Quit markun (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.52.36 NSplit heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 06.52.36 Quit axionix (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.52.36 Quit andrew___ (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.52.36 Quit Neskaya (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.52.36 Quit jcollie (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.52.36 Quit ashes (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.52.36 Quit gtkspert (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.52.36 Quit kies (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.52.36 Quit lastebil (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.53.05 Join tri170391 [0] (n=tri17039@117.6.44.248) 06.53.41 NHeal heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 06.53.41 NJoin markun [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 06.55.32 NJoin axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 06.56.01 NJoin gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@124-169-74-51.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.57.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.58.54 Part toffe82 07.02.40 # Hi. Built a mikmod plugin, with large chunks borrowed from that dumb plugin on flyspray. Works on my G5 ipod, slowly, probably for much the same reason as dumb does (calculations, mallocs) though not as bad. 07.03.29 Join andrew_ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162065023.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 07.04.58 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 07.07.05 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-95-90.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.08.29 NJoin kies [0] (n=kies@adsl-76-199-12-71.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net) 07.11.30 NJoin jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 07.14.37 Join sam2008l [0] (n=richard_@203.145.134.195) 07.17.43 # secleinteer: i ndon't think the 160GB iPods sold currently are supported 07.18.19 # gibbon_: yeah, i know, that's what i was asking Llorean about 07.19.06 # ok 07.19.37 # its very sad that todays hardwaremanufacturers keep us from being able to use the hardware we purchase for the things WE want 07.19.50 # but thats off topic development and does not belong here 07.29.26 # Yeah its sad 07.32.56 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.33.46 Join scev0la [0] (n=c11efa52@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-06910a018cc80b42) 07.35.27 # gibbon_: well that's why i'm looking for something else if possible 07.35.37 # but i've been waiting for the iaudio x7 for almost a year now 07.35.44 # no such luck there though 07.36.07 # and you really need ALL your music with you? 07.36.09 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.37.02 # gibbon_: it would be much easier to rsync my music directory than bother transferring it manually 07.37.34 # rsync does not work THAT well on Fat32 07.38.05 # i don't know why but some information is not preserved what makes it a bit hard to use it the way its ment to be used 07.38.07 # gibbon_: hmm, there's no other filesystem supported by rockbox? 07.38.14 # but thats not rockbox fault 07.38.31 Join wisp_sh [0] (n=wisp@acct.icf.org.ru) 07.38.33 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-90.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.38.33 # wouldn't it be better for rockbox to use ext3 or something? 07.38.34 # secleinteer: nope... and according to the tracker its not planned 07.38.43 # so that the id3 database could easily update 07.39.16 # secleinteer: the drawback would be a totally new filesystem driver... a lot of work... a LOT of work.. ask hans reiser :P 07.39.39 # i am off for work now... 07.39.40 # gibbon_: i can't, i don't have access to US jails ;) 07.39.42 # kk 07.39.43 # cya 07.40.02 # i am back in some minutes though... umts 07.41.11 # secleinteer: FAT32 has the most support cross platform than any other, really 07.42.29 # JdGordon: hi 07.42.29 # scorche: yeah, but it'd nice to have another option 07.42.49 # Slasheri: hey, hope you dont mind the commit i did... you wernt around :p 07.42.52 # why? 07.42.59 # JdGordon: checking that 07.43.09 # nice work on the event stuff :) i've been meaning to do that for ages but was always too lazy :p 07.43.10 # scorche: so i can rsync my music directory 07.43.22 # not like there's a rockbox supported pmp with enough space for that lol 07.43.22 # sure there are benefits to other filesystems, but it would be a huge bloat for the core 07.43.34 # you cant rsync with FAT32? 07.43.36 # can't you make it modular? 07.43.49 # JdGordon: that makes sense 07.43.52 # scorche: well gibbon_ said it's not too effective 07.43.53 # :) 07.43.58 # fat32 with rsync, that is 07.43.59 # try it and find out... 07.44.20 # i might lol 07.44.43 # but i'd need something with a bigger hdd 07.47.26 Part sam2008l 07.52.35 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.05.24 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC065.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.05.35 # the problem i had with rsync is that it tries to touch every single file again when sresyncing 08.05.41 # -s 08.06.09 # its not that its not working :P it just doesn't work like i know from other filesystems that are more attribute-aware 08.17.30 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.18.44 # I cant wait to get my ipod mini :P 08.20.41 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.20.59 # Keypad: which generation? 08.22.15 # I think its first gen 08.22.37 # gibbon_: how come ? 08.23.10 # i had one till it blew up some weeks ago. nevermind ;) 08.23.32 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.24.02 # :( 08.24.03 # the battery had some urge to get into my face. that was all 08.24.17 # I just bought a ipod for 55 bucks 08.24.18 # but it was ok for years, so yours will be, too i guess 08.24.28 # with a broken battery 08.24.50 # i never herad really bad stories about the mini1st before... 08.25.14 # don't worry... mine still runs but i need to get a new battery and some huge CF 08.25.32 # CF's only go to 16 GB :P 08.25.55 # well microdrives as they are in the mini are limited to 6 iirc 08.26.10 # and no, they go to 32GB now :) 08.26.28 # True ?! 08.26.31 # Ipod nano ftw. 08.26.56 # If I can get the ipod for like 80 bucks in totel 08.27.00 # including battery 08.27.02 # ah, the nano is completely different from the mini 08.27.05 # it will be worth it 08.27.10 # since they go for like 120 bucks 08.27.12 # second hand 08.27.19 # and I can upgrade it need be. 08.27.20 # so forget what i said 08.27.40 # 32 GB sounds sexy, :P 08.28.15 # i don't know if they still use CFs in the nano..... they did use microdrives in the minis which are much similar to a CF 08.30.32 # iirc they did yuse on board flash for the nano 08.35.24 # topbloke: /w 2 08.35.28 # errr. 08.36.56 # yeah 08.37.00 # they use flash :P 08.37.11 # I got a nano the other day 08.37.16 # They suck so bad 08.37.25 # Doesnt even power on 08.37.39 # nothings user replaceable. 08.38.03 # * scorche takes away the soapbox from under Keypad's feet 08.41.02 # Keypad: we're porting rockbox to the Meizu M6 and M3. The M3 is about the same design as the nano 2g. 08.41.40 # I don't know what price the M3 is, but I ordered the M6 with 8GB for 82 euro 08.44.16 # The second gen nano is sexy, But repairing it is a bitch. Thats all im saying. 08.44.38 # what was broken? 08.45.24 # I think the battery shorted out 08.45.32 # and theres black stuff all over the mobo 08.45.52 # it doesnt power on, I think the ipod should power on with out the battery if its connected via usb 08.45.59 # So I think the mobo is dead. 08.46.04 # I have no idea if it should 08.47.01 # Anone here have this problem: When I try building Rockbox for e200 from source using the rockbox-bleeding.zip from rockbox.org, it stops when compiling e200.keymap.c and complains something about linkage.lds but it build fine with my svn checkout. 08.49.14 # tri170391: I think I know what the problem is, let me check it out 08.50.23 Join nls_web [0] (n=5ae71a8f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-78434f410dab4a4b) 08.50.47 # seems kkurbjun forgot to edit FILES when he split upp the app.lds file 08.53.07 # markun: man, firmware/FILES is getting quite big that way 08.55.43 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 08.57.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.59.25 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 09.02.31 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.04.04 # This Meizu looks awesome 09.05.15 # M6 or M3? 09.06.08 # Music card series ? 09.06.19 # ah ok, that's the M3 09.06.43 # here's the rockbox page about the port: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuM6Port 09.07.07 # What a shame you cant buy them in NZ 09.07.48 # here in the netherlands we can only buy them under the company name Dane-Elec 09.08.24 # This second hand ipod was my only choice 09.08.46 # unless I wanted to pay 200 bucks for a sansza 09.08.51 # Which was my other option 09.09.06 # Thats only 2 GB 09.09.34 Quit tri170391 (Remote closed the connection) 09.12.29 Quit nls_web ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.13.03 # Keypad: 200 bucks for WHICH sansa? 09.15.36 # and which kind of bucks? ;) 09.17.19 # SanDisk Sansa e280 8GB MP3 Player 09.18.43 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 09.20.16 # ah, ok 09.20.42 # I got my friend to install rockbox on his 30 GB iPod Gen 5 09.20.45 # and hes loving it 09.20.49 # i have a c250 with a total of 6GB for aroud 80 euros 09.20.52 # and the skins are so sexy :) 09.20.54 # brand new 09.21.16 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-90.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.22.03 # rockbox is nice.... but lets move non-tech-talk to #rockbox-community 09.43.09 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.43.28 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host140-214-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.46.49 # Does any one know about the desktop clock for ipod plugin ? 09.48.09 # desktop clock? Do you just mean the standard "clock" plugin that comes with Rockbox? 09.48.17 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 09.49.17 # Morning all - anyone think that producing technical documentation (i.e. all of the Rockbox APIs) could be a GSoC project? 09.49.56 # oh pleasE!! 09.49.57 # It would be nice to see a definitive answer to the question "What should xxx_yyyy() do?" written down. 09.50.08 # That's not really "coding"... 09.50.12 # but thats probably way too much for gsoc 09.50.21 # and wouldnt be done right anyway 09.50.56 # I wasn't sure if coding was required.. 09.51.06 # It's a research job really. 09.51.17 # I'm guessing it is - as it's called "summer of code"... 09.51.21 # heh 09.51.37 # There's plenty of code to research... 09.51.44 # GSoWMC 09.51.53 # Writing More Code 09.52.06 # Summer of Comments? 09.52.10 # Nice 09.52.26 # I'd like that too... I guess I'm not convinced that Rockbox needs more Code. 09.52.29 # :) 09.52.46 # Possibly less code would be a good thing, if it meant less bugs 09.53.55 # Forcing people to comment would result in less code ;) 09.54.05 # hehe 09.54.06 # we had an ibm guy come to uni today to talk about eclipse and the fancy code->diagrams it can do and I was thinking of runnig rockbox through it if it can do C 09.54.41 # I just want comments in each module that has public code or structures, nicely explaining what they do 09.54.54 # Not external documentation that falls out of sync easily. 09.55.06 # pondlife: I agree - well-commented code would be perfect... 09.55.13 # If Eclipse can pick this stuff up, then that would be good 09.55.19 # JdGordon: can you take a look at action.c for me? 09.55.23 # But the source should be, well, the Source 09.55.31 # markun: sure.. anything in particular? 09.55.44 # line 276 09.55.52 # It's bad enough syncing code -> manual :) 09.55.56 # shouldn't there be an ifdef for the remote around that? 09.56.56 # markun: well, yeah probably, but I assume gcc is smart enough to skip that anyway... BUTTON_REMOTE == 0 when there is none 09.57.25 # ok. Well, maybe I'm doing something wrong since the Meizu sim didn't want to compile without it 09.57.48 # I wasn't sure if it was a bug on my side 09.57.57 # muddled up your button defines? 09.58.13 # action.c:277: error: 'BUTTON_REMOTE' undeclared (first use in this function) 09.58.33 # yep... define it in button-target.h to be 0 09.59.30 # button_REMOTE is a bitwise OR of the button defines which are the remote... 10.02.22 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 10.03.20 # thanks 10.03.34 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.05.06 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 10.07.08 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-95-90.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.07.25 # * linuxstb is underwhelmed by the support of apev2 tags in FS#2598 and wonders how long to leave it before rejecting 10.08.15 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-182.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 10.08.41 # JdGordon: Did you see my question to you from about 10 hours ago? 10.09.08 # no 10.10.11 # should i put my patch for selectable mute on fm station reception outage in the tracker? 10.10.44 # or is there no interest for that feature at all? 10.11.01 Join JdGordon1924 [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-95-90.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.11.20 # hehe good timing there... power went out just as i said no 10.12.25 Quit JdGordon (Nick collision from services.) 10.12.28 Part pondlife 10.12.36 Nick JdGordon1924 is now known as JdGordon (n=Miranda@c211-28-95-90.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.12.45 # hihi 10.12.52 # the no was visible anyway 10.14.24 # linuxstb: the one from midnight about using the lavel names? 10.14.45 # The one you didn't answer... 10.15.00 # 00.10.16 in the logs 10.15.17 # yeah, didnt see it then, only saw the ping for me at 00.53... 10.15.20 # anyway yeah 10.15.26 # origionally i thought font names would be better 10.15.35 # but i like the idea of arbitrary labels 10.16.28 # But doesn't that just add a layer of complexity? i.e. having to maintain a label->name lookup table? It doesn't seem logical to give fonts name like "list", when they can be used in many places. 10.16.34 Join ashes [0] (n=ashes@modemcable123.78-80-70.mc.videotron.ca) 10.16.51 Quit cendres (Success) 10.17.09 # (and also, by calling something "list" doesn't make it the list font...) 10.17.20 # well yes, but it means you only need to change the font mapping once and the whole theme changes 10.17.34 # although... it would all be in the one file anyway 10.22.28 Quit framo ("moo") 10.26.06 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D6C2.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.27.44 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 10.28.57 # Anyone understand how buffering.c gets informed of disk spinups? 10.29.11 # iirc it doesnt atm 10.29.23 # Surely it must do, somehow 10.29.31 # nico removed the callback because it wasnt working well enough.. 10.29.38 # search for ata_disk_is_active() 10.30.13 # Gotcha, so it will only carry on filling if it already was filling. 10.30.22 # Ah, no 10.30.27 # It's polling all the time? 10.30.43 # But #if 0'ed out 10.33.00 Join alleyoopster [0] (n=dan@df01t2-212-194-219-137.d4.club-internet.fr) 10.33.14 Quit gevaerts ("leaving") 10.33.18 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-182.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 10.34.53 Quit gevaerts (Client Quit) 10.40.06 # LinusN: Did you test SVN bootloaders on h1x0/h300? 10.40.31 # had a very busy weekend (as usual), sorry 10.40.52 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-182.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 10.41.41 # Hmm. There's a problem with the simple check for the remote anyway. Of course lcd_remote_init() shouldn't try to init the lcd if only the simple remote is plugged 10.41.58 # (only applies to irivers of course, not iaudios) 10.49.17 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@124-168-46-157.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.51.32 # ah, of course 10.54.29 # amiconn: is lcd_remote_init() done when it does get insterted later though? 10.54.39 # doesnt that setup locals and stuff? 10.55.33 # JdGordon: I seem to remember that you have a mac. Could you test FS#8747 sometime ? 10.57.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.57.42 # yeah, if you do a e200 build ill test it in a min... 10.57.47 # in on windows atm so cant compile 10.58.01 # JdGordon: no. The init function is only called once 10.58.06 # * JdGordon ashamaed to admit he hasnt tried any of the usb patches yet 10.58.37 # The actual remote lcd init is done in lcd_on(), which gets called in reaction to a plug-in even in main rockbox 10.58.51 # *lcd_remote_on() 10.59.16 # JdGordon: Do you need a full build, or just rockbox.mi4 ? 10.59.45 # full zip prob 11.01.07 # But on init, we should call lcd_remote_on() once if the remote is present, (a) because that makes the remote lcd available a bit earlier on main rockbox startup and (b) more importantly, makes the remote lcd work in the bootloader (because the bootloader has no thread that does the init in reaction to the plugin event) 11.01.41 # im happy to test h300 bootloaders, but i only have a lcd remote so cant test the on+hold problem which needs fixing 11.03.12 # ? 11.03.45 # you cant turn on the irivers with the non lcd remote because it doesnt have a hold button or something (if th main hold is on) 11.03.45 # The remaining problem (on irivers) is that lcd_remote_init() needs to check the remote type, and not init the lcd if it's a simple remote 11.04.02 # Aha, hmm. Didn't know that one... 11.04.22 # * gevaerts needs a faster laptop 11.08.16 # * JdGordon wonders how a .psd got into .rockbox 11.17.29 # JdGordon: http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/rockbox-e200-fs8747.zip . It has FS#8747 applied, but it still is a non-usb build. I'm mainly interested in if the OS responds reasonably when it's plugged in with Select held (charging only). It then shows itself as a usb audio device without any OS-controllable bits, so the net result should be that it's correctly connected (and therefore getting 500mA), but the user doesn't see it. 11.18.06 # will i be able to tell in rockbox if its getting the full 500mA? 11.19.02 Quit alleyoopster ("Konversation terminated!") 11.19.12 # Basically if it shows up in the usb tree correctly (lsusb in linux, device manager in windows, no idea on mac), it should be fine. 11.19.24 Quit GodEater (Remote closed the connection) 11.19.25 Quit perrikwp (Remote closed the connection) 11.19.32 # ok, extracting... hopefully the mac is free 11.19.40 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 11.20.36 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279531490.dsl.bell.ca) 11.21.08 # gevaerts: came up as MSD in vista and rebooted the sansa? 11.21.49 # JdGordon: that's the "normal" connect behaviour. Can you try while holding select ? 11.22.01 # ah 11.22.39 # vista says "usb composite device, read to use 11.22.40 # rockbox media player, failed" 11.22.52 # * JdGordon running down to check on the mac 11.24.27 # bah, its being used.. ill try it later tonight and let you know tomorow 11.24.44 # amiconn: it looks like the mystery with the "disk led enable" is solved :-) 11.24.58 # OK. At least vista didn't bluescreen 11.25.05 Join firr [0] (n=cdbfc2a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3540729db8e78c94) 11.25.29 # it turns out that it is a DS2411 unique serial number chip 11.25.39 Quit firr (Client Quit) 11.25.44 # JdGordon: maybe just put the results on the tracker, that way I'll find them easily 11.26.03 # k 11.26.20 # LinusN: Uh, on the H1x0? 11.26.24 # so it looks like the H120 and H140 were in fact prepared for DRM, at least hardware wise 11.26.38 # the H100 doesn't have it 11.26.42 # ah 11.26.45 # only h120 and h140 11.27.00 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet27.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 11.27.14 # Interesting details... about a target we claim to support for quite some time now 11.27.32 # well, we do support it, don't we? 11.27.55 # i wish we had these schematics back in the days... 11.28.03 Quit kies (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.28.28 # still, that's about the only surprise i found so far 11.30.55 # it's really interesting to see that the PP5020 has an option to boot from a UART (!) 11.33.28 Join otih [0] (n=otih@CAcert/Assurer/otih) 11.37.01 Join kies [0] (n=kies@adsl-76-199-5-148.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net) 11.37.51 Join axod [0] (i=56819a05@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b1320266c9d26dbc) 11.38.59 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.39.34 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 11.41.03 # LinusN: yeah, it would be cool to try that... 11.41.23 # LinusN: Did you see my complaints about the rockbox iaudio bootloader and the interrupt handling on cf in the logs? 11.41.30 # I will have to fix both anyway 11.41.34 # amiconn: eh no 11.41.38 # ... the at91 chips has a similar option, it then expects a xmodem stream 11.42.22 # M3 ADC works, but I am facing reliability problems regarding hand-over from one "rockbox" to another (e.g. bootloader->main, or on rolo) 11.42.40 # hi all 11.42.42 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 11.42.53 # The i2c implementation in the PIC seem rather crude 11.43.38 # It's loo-ow, and it often doesn't recover from incomplete transfers, even after sending a stop condition hundreds of times 11.43.45 # where did you complain about the interrupt handling? 11.44.05 # Today 3 am 11.45.46 # aha, i searched for "interrupt", but you misspelled it :-) 11.45.58 # Search for "ghahhhrrgg!" :) 11.46.27 # :-) 11.47.42 # Hmm, wonder if this is behind either petur's random disk boot issues, or the v5 USB bootloader mode flakiness? 11.48.07 # I am now disabling all interrupts in system_init() 11.48.11 # Both problems only occur on some hardware 11.48.40 # * petur can test tonight... 11.50.02 # The problem was that my adc driver enables the IIC2 interrupt, but the bootloader doesn't disable it when booting main. So as soon as main rockbox enables interrupts in general (status register), the main isr was called in an uncontrolled fashion 11.50.32 # I have to add proper adc shutdown as well though, because of that crappy i2c slave implementation 11.51.30 # hmmm... I'm pretty sure that when my bootloader hangs, it is during ata init, not when booting rockbox 11.54.17 # petur: Did you spot the iriver schematics already? 11.54.52 # no, I'm just back from Italy and still recovering ;) 11.55.03 # * petur goes looking 11.55.07 # * LinusN just printed the h300 schematics 12.00.32 # petur where have you been in italy ? :P 12.01.09 # petur: The schematics show pretty clearly how to enable Vbus... 12.01.38 # amiconn: are that the schematics added 23 feb? 12.03.11 Quit floatsaka () 12.03.33 # is anyone paying any attention to the thread in the forums concerning issues with the wheel on 1G ipods ? 12.04.09 # * linuxstb is paying attention, but that's about all he can do... 12.04.45 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.04.48 # do you agree with bidmead's last comment ? 12.05.01 # re: removing 1G as a "supported" model from the front page ? 12.05.53 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 12.06.17 # I wasn't paying enough attention to see that suggestion... 12.06.34 # it seems a fair point 12.06.45 # if the wheel doesn't work, then the ipod isn't much use... 12.07.10 # Isn't that just a bug to fix? 12.07.19 # * pondlife should visit the forum 12.07.39 # pondlife: A show-stopper bug though... 12.07.45 # Indeed 12.07.48 # SSnake: [OT] Passo San Pellegrino 12.07.58 Part LinusN 12.08.15 # GodEater: Wheel works like a charm on my 1st Gen... 12.08.47 # Did it work previously on bidmead's device? 12.08.53 # i.e. a really old build 12.09.21 # And no, I don't read the forum unless someone is pointing me to a specific post. 12.09.33 # amiconn: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15929.15 might be useful 12.09.42 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.10.01 Quit wisp_sh (Remote closed the connection) 12.10.05 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D6C2.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.10.16 # "If anyone has a 1G iPod that DOES work with current builds, it would be interesting to see their model information." 12.10.51 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 12.11.05 Part axod 12.11.10 # pondlife: I believe this is his first attempt at installing Rockbox, so no, I don't believe it did. 12.11.47 # Did he try a build from prior to the power management changes? 12.12.06 # not that he mentinos 12.12.13 # That might be useful. 12.12.15 # and I don't think anyone directed him to either 12.12.27 # The flyspray task suggests that that isn't the issue. 12.17.01 # uff.. i can't understand why dsp_process() hangs after a while... it seems to read over the source buffer limit i give... 12.17.36 # does dsp_process() contain an internal pointer to src buffer to be resetted every time? 12.17.56 # What are you passing as the "count" parameter? 12.18.31 # the size of my source buffer: bunch of 8 bit data samples 12.19.25 # Have you told the DSP code that the input is mono? 12.20.16 # yes with the call: rb->dsp_configure(dsp, DSP_SET_STEREO_MODE, STEREO_MONO); 12.20.18 Join jpt9 [0] (n=jpt9@geodude-25.dynamic.rpi.edu) 12.21.13 # it's a 8bit mono 22khz data buffer. I prepare src[0] with the pointer to the buffer and then fire dsp_process() 12.21.29 # And the output buffer is big enough for 16-bit stereo 44.1KHz? 12.22.00 Quit jpt9 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.22.35 # I would sprinkle the code with some DEBUGFs and run it in the sim to see what's happening. 12.22.58 # yes it is. Nothing changes when i increment the destination buffer dimension. But when i increment source buffer dimension the sim hangs after various calls 12.23.39 # if for example the buffer is 8000, after 4 calls of dsp_process(...4000) the sim hangs 12.24.05 # that's why i thought there could be some sort of internal pointer growing into dsp_process() 12.25.03 # and every time i call that function with the same buffer address.... 12.25.32 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-334493.home.otenet.gr) 12.28.23 # SSnake: dsp_process increments the source pointers. see the calls in apps/playback.c, apps/voice_thread.c, and apps/plugins/mpegplayer/audio_thread.c 12.29.06 # oooh that's why! 12.29.21 # Would it be ok if I put an FR on Flyspray for a game? http://martusewicz.w.interia.pl/eindex.html has GPLed source... might make a nice project for someone with spare time. 12.30.09 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.30.43 # too bad this side effect was not mentioned in dsp.c 12.30.54 # pondlife: It even stores graphics in external .bmp files ;) 12.34.03 # pondlife: Seems an easy game to port - just a single 1100 line .c file. You should just do it ;) 12.34.05 # And it even looks like it has new graphics, and not just copies from the original game 12.34.28 # linuxstb: I refer you to my line above, particularly the bit "with spare time" 12.37.15 # But I thought it might be a nice project, so should I pop it on Flyspray? 12.37.52 # Sounds reasonable. Although you've tempted me now... 12.38.00 # OK, you get first dibs 12.38.23 # Have you actually tried it? 12.38.27 # No 12.38.33 # I have no Palm 12.39.00 # * gevaerts suggests to write a palm emulator for rockbox 12.39.03 Join PaulJam [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCE262.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.39.18 # It should scale nicely as well - the original seems to be for a 160x160 screen, and is purely based on tiles, so we just need different tiles for the different screens. 12.41.02 # Does it have different levels than the original ? 12.41.04 # The board itself seems to be 15x12, with 10x10 tiles 12.41.36 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.41.49 # gevaerts: The levels look familiar, but I can't see any legalese on there. 12.45.53 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 12.47.12 # Maybe whoever does the port should just email the author and ask 12.52.48 # linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8749 is all yours 12.55.01 # doesn't it use the stylus ? 12.55.14 # just don't call it anything similar to the original game name 12.55.23 # we don't need anymore C&D letters 12.55.35 # Rock Dash? 12.55.44 # first start software seems to still exist 12.55.50 # first star even 12.56.30 # nope 12.56.32 Join tvelocity_ [0] (n=tony@athedsl-118533.home.otenet.gr) 12.56.37 # they do a boulder dash rocks game 12.56.45 # Darn, I liked the pun 12.57.00 # If the graphics are not original, it should be easy to get new ones from jewels/sokoban/... 12.57.01 # dashbox? 12.57.03 # http://www.firststarsoftware.com/boulderdash.htm 12.57.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.57.09 # and http://www.firststarsoftware.com/bd-tfp.htm 12.57.19 # pondlife: there are lots of synonyms for dash as well ;) 12.57.27 # Rock Run? 12.57.35 # Rock Raid ? 12.58.14 Quit GodEater (Remote closed the connection) 13.01.10 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.05.22 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A45AD.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.05.27 # btw, given the input from the other day my current draft for gsoc student questions is here: http://pastebin.ca/946061 13.05.51 # I'll bounce it to the dev list as well if/once we get accepted 13.06.10 # What time is the announcement due? 13.06.34 # linuxstb: with the updated viwepots_wps patch, is an image loaded with %x suposed to show up in every viewport? 13.06.44 # 19:00 UTC 13.06.55 # today? 13.06.59 # yes 13.07.01 # PaulJam: It should appear in the viewport the %x appears in. 13.07.16 # that's in ~4 hours 13.07.24 # uh 5 13.07.26 # You sure? 13.07.30 # Bagder: in qu. 5, "this project" == rockobx ? 13.07.31 # Don't you mean 7 hours? 13.07.42 # haha, I can't count 13.08.03 # 7 = ~4 on some scale 13.08.03 # Nico_P: oh... wait 13.08.13 # Bagder: 6) doesn't appear complete... 13.08.43 # OR has an extraneous "and" 13.08.52 # http://pastebin.ca/946062 13.08.55 # updated 13.08.59 # Bagder: The Palm version is simply called "boulder" - do you think that's too close to the original? I could of course call it rock.rock 13.09.27 # linuxstb: I would say that as long the name makes you think of the original game it is similar 13.09.57 # Hmm, we couldn't easily desist from using the word Rock 13.10.06 # For once, rock is applicable... 13.10.15 # rockrock.rock 13.10.24 Join webguest38 [0] (n=1485000d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-52e202bbea7706b8) 13.10.26 # To add an extraneous rock, as is the norm 13.10.59 # Bagder: for qu. 5, I'd formulate it as "Have you previously been involved in Rockbox? If so, how?" 13.11.17 # and maybe something similar for qu. 4 13.11.33 # linuxstb: wikipedia says they have objected to boulderoid in the past, so boulder is probably off-limits as well 13.11.54 # gevaerts: rockrockrockrock.rock it is then... 13.12.33 # Make the name so long that sending a C&D letter gets too expensive 13.12.42 # http://www.bd-fans.com/DXBoulderdash.html - "First Star Software, the owner of the Boulder Dash trademark, has taken legal actions." and "Due to the legal actions the game name was changed into 'DX Diggem' instead of 'DX-Boulderdash'." 13.12.48 Quit webguest38 (Client Quit) 13.13.24 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.16.00 # so my gut reaction seems sensible then... 13.17.12 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 13.21.06 # linuxstb: for me an image that is loaded with %x appears once in every viewport, not only in the one where it is loaded. I'll add a comment in the FS task later. i have to go now. 13.21.22 Join webguest25 [0] (n=40b29464@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9a6696320ae1be44) 13.21.29 Quit PaulJam (".") 13.22.20 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf236.ugent.be) 13.26.32 # Where can i download the RockBox source? :D 13.26.55 # Same place you downloaded the binary... Or you can use SVN 13.32.46 Quit webguest25 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.34.00 # hmm, why is there is a yield() ind dsp.c each 256 samples? isn't this too often? 13.53.57 # gevaerts: no problems with osx 13.55.42 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 13.56.08 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.58.14 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-90.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.59.15 # JdGordon: would handling 'charging only' connections this way be confusing for mac users, or won't they notice anything ? 13.59.50 # if I didnt check in system info thing I wouldnt have known it was connected 14.00.25 # OK. That's good (I think). Once I solve the vista problem I'll commit 14.01.44 Quit midgey () 14.04.47 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 14.07.01 Join floatsaka [0] (n=cvxt@ip70-174-110-128.hr.hr.cox.net) 14.09.01 # Buschel: i believe that clipping can be optimized further 14.09.24 # preglow: feel free to improve :) 14.10.01 # i can't right now, working in windows :/ 14.10.27 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/codecs/libspeex/filters_arm4.S?revision=16242&view=markup 14.10.30 # for example 14.10.32 # i am just writing the asm for karaoke 14.10.35 # check out the clipping stage of qmf_synth 14.10.45 # that clips four samples, though 14.11.27 # at least that should eliminate one instruction in the loop, and one outside 14.12.51 # Buschel: btw, why do you use a separate bx instruction? it's better to just include lr as the last reg in the ldmia/fd 14.13.16 # preglow: hmm, i always used it this way... 14.14.14 # well, you're wasting cycles :) 14.14.36 # i'll check :) 14.15.00 # bx is of course thumb code friendly, in case the caller is thumb code, but i also believe that including pc in the ldm does that 14.15.12 # so just ldmfd sp!, {r4-r7, pc} should work 14.16.00 # shop time 14.16.02 # but then i need to to do stmfd sp!, {r4-r5, lr}. 14.16.13 # or do i getting somethin wrong 14.16.26 # bah, of course 14.16.43 # i'm not used to assembler functions using so few registers :) 14.16.46 # isn't it more expensive then (overall)? 14.16.59 # of course what you do is better, disregard me 14.17.21 # Buschel: Well, as long as you need to save registers, preglow's way is better 14.17.30 # ok, regard me, then :) 14.17.35 # Just replace one of the registers you used before by 'lr' 14.18.16 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 14.18.19 # I.e. if you now do stmfd sp!, {r4-r6} ... ldmfd sp!, {r4-r6}; bx lr 14.18.57 # you can replace it with stmfd sp!, {r4, r5, lr} ... ldmfd sp! {r4, r5, sp} 14.19.06 # amiconn: each additional reg is 1 cycle extra in stm/ldm? assuming iram, of course 14.19.08 # err ldmfd sp!, {r4, r5, pc} 14.19.22 # and then use lr instead of r6 within the function 14.19.56 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 14.20.07 Quit GodEater (Client Quit) 14.20.14 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 14.20.48 # preglow: I know, so using lr instead of another reg saves one instruction, and one cycle in total 14.21.08 # i'll check 14.21.49 # good 14.24.53 # works for the karaoke-asm, no difference in speed though 14.25.48 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.39.27 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 14.49.32 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 14.55.32 Join wisp_sh [0] (n=wisp@acct.icf.org.ru) 14.57.05 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.57.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.01.03 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f173@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3603cd96af495f03) 15.01.21 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host140-214-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 15.02.06 # How about restarting the unsupported build of rockbox with the viewports patch? WPS authors can test it out, find bugs and help with features, then. 15.02.42 # no-one's stopping you 15.02.44 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98215aef@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b3c7562df8937bf0) 15.03.13 # although what new "features" they could come up with I'm not certain 15.05.52 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 15.06.47 # pondlife: I'm getting somewhere... http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/not_boulder.png 15.07.01 # Wow 15.07.26 # How is it controlled? Just arrow keys and one shift/button? 15.07.45 # * pondlife recalls using an Atari 2600 joystick 15.08.00 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.08.29 # Buschel: should be no difference in speed, no, but if a simple optimization saves a couple of bytes, it's worth it 15.08.51 # What game is that? 15.08.55 # you're right, will be changed with the next version 15.08.59 # Boudlerdash. 15.09.06 # pondlife: Yes, I'm just trying to get the controls working now - seems like 4 directions and another button to do with ghosts... 15.09.12 # Or a reasonable facsimile. :) 15.09.13 # * linuxstb can't remember this game at all... 15.09.17 # hehe 15.09.26 # LambdaCalculus37: No, it's nothing like Boulderdash (TM) 15.09.41 # LambdaCalculus37: You are mistaken :) 15.09.47 # Are you planning on putting that into the official builds? 15.10.11 # I guess so. 15.10.21 # linuxstb: It looked very similar to it. 15.10.23 # Because a lot of the plugins people make are just put into the tracker and left there... 15.10.36 # Normally because they aren't finished 15.10.41 # Or have legal issues. 15.10.43 # pondlife: If it isn't Boulderdash (which it resembled to me), which game is it? 15.10.55 # LambdaCalculus37: Rock Run 15.10.55 # It's not Boulderdash 15.11.17 # Any similarity to that other game is purely co-incidental. 15.11.33 # What other game ;) 15.11.47 # * LambdaCalculus37 realizes he had set himself up for a zinger :) 15.12.08 # I'll get my coat... :) 15.14.40 Join d34df00d [0] (n=d34df00d@80.251.122.132) 15.16.15 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.16.40 Part d34df00d ("Konversation terminated!") 15.26.35 Quit crwll (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.30.37 # linuxstb: Were you equally unfamiliar with Repton? http://www.superiorinteractive.com/repton/ 15.32.09 Quit Buschel () 15.33.05 # * petur wants lemmings on rockbox :) 15.33.33 # yeah lemmings on rockbox absolutely awesome! 15.33.57 # * gevaerts points to pingus 15.34.22 # oh! 15.39.10 # I think it's not doable though. It's c++, and I don't really see how to play any lemmings-clone without a mouse or lots of keys 15.40.07 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 15.42.10 # wouldn't it need only directions & fire ? 15.42.36 # SSnake: Lemmings worked best with a mouse. 15.43.05 # you can use button directions to move some sort of mouse pointer on the screen ... 15.43.17 # You need to be able to point to an arbitrary location on screen quickly, and select a tool equally quickly 15.44.01 # mmm maybe just by slowing down the game it could be playable.. 15.44.29 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3D6C2.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.45.07 # http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ might be fun to have 15.45.12 # at least you have no diagonals problems (like in xrick :P) 15.48.42 # pondlife: Yes... 15.48.59 Quit courtc (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.49.25 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 15.52.28 # linuxstb: http://www.bd-fans.com/About.html offers a reasonable explanation of the legal position, I think. 15.54.36 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Connection timed out) 15.57.03 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 16.02.43 # * gevaerts might have a go at porting Simon Tatham's Portable Puzzle Collection. It's actually designed with a documented and clean separation between platform-specific code and shared code 16.03.14 Join crwl [0] (n=crawlie@a88-114-143-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 16.06.34 # yeah that collection looks nice 16.09.29 Quit Horscht ("I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup") 16.14.34 Quit corevette (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.15.26 Quit scev0la ("CGI:IRC") 16.23.28 Quit mf0102 (Remote closed the connection) 16.25.54 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 16.28.27 # linuxstb: the meizu add's the 7th wolfson codec to the list. Maybe we should really try to unify the code a little 16.28.32 # adds 16.37.23 Join amsgwp [0] (i=ksksksks@69.71.229.99) 16.38.25 # i'm on vacation and my ipod locked up and I had to do a restore. I then decided to try rockbox so I've installed rockbox(using utility) and transfered all my music to a folder on the root directory. Now when I play most music it says No Codec for: /Music/Artist/Songname.mp3 16.38.41 # i've checked and the codecs are in the codecs folder 16.38.50 # Did you buy music from iTunes? 16.38.58 # Or from any other service? 16.39.08 # I mean, I have, but these are all non-DRM songs. 16.39.15 # about 16gb's worth 16.39.46 Quit wisp_sh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.40.00 # the ultility seemed to have installed something different then the current build version 16.40.08 # so i'm transferring over the codec folder from the version I downloaded 16.40.23 # you can just transfer over the entire folder 16.40.45 # it's running right now 16.41.02 # amsgwp: Are your MP3s playing now? 16.41.07 # while a song is playing, how do you go back to the database. It seems so laggy compared to the normal ipod firmware 16.41.13 # about to disconnect it and check 16.41.56 # whoa, this version looks totally different 16.42.01 # ya it works 16.42.31 # I used rbutilqt-1.0.4 and it seemed to install something really old I guess 16.43.02 # thats odd...i would have been interested to see the version of what it installed 16.43.19 # ya I know, it said "downloading" so I figured it downloaded the latest version from the internet 16.43.23 # I have a 4g greyscale 16.43.34 # or is it g 16.43.34 # 5g 16.43.41 # to go back to the database, you just hit the select button, however this is all explained in the manual 16.43.58 # if it is greyscale, it isnt a 5th gen 16.44.05 # ya it's 4th 16.44.34 # it seems so slow to get back to the database, is this normal 16.45.30 # amsgwp: Did you enable Dircache in the Settings menu? 16.45.54 # Settings > General Settings > System > Disk > Directory Cache 16.46.16 # nice 16.46.19 # it is now 16.47.13 # jhMikeS: are you there? 16.47.34 # amsgwp: That should help speed directory access up now. 16.49.40 Quit amsgwp () 16.55.48 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 16.57.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.59.43 # markun: yes 17.00.13 # jhMikeS: do you think some of the wolfson codecs can/should be unified a bit? 17.00.21 # I'm adding the 7th one 17.01.00 # can should your caching wm8731_write* functions be used by all of them? 17.01.15 # markun: I think they should but in four flavors. 17.02.51 # why doesn't wolfson name their codecs in a logical way.. 17.03.28 # the 8721,31 are rather distinct from the higher numbered ones. there's also the matter of the ones with ADC which makes a driver more complex than one without. the ones without ADC can be trivially simple and don't seem to need shadow regs 17.03.49 # ok 17.03.49 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.05.09 # the H10 driver is the one that was made correct and that recording operates properly on 17.06.10 Join PaulJam [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCF257.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.07.13 # PaulJam: To answer your question from earlier, I forgot about the existence of the %x tag (I was confusing with %xl/%xd) - I'll investigate... 17.07.15 # jhMikeS: it uses the WM8731 code 17.07.46 # linuxstb: ok, thank you. 17.07.47 # markun: right, that ones for that series but the others have the same problem that the 8731 has 17.07.50 # *had 17.08.06 # ok, so the others should be fixed in the same way? 17.08.53 # the one in the meizu also can record (WM8987) 17.10.28 # markun: the init/shutdown procedures and registers are more like the 8751 though. the 8721 is rather like an 8731 without ADC and those two share similar init/shutdown. 17.11.14 # There's also the 8711 17.11.35 # (which behaves identical to the 8721) 17.11.36 # I have read the datasheets on most all of them so could see how to group it 17.11.41 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 17.12.51 # jhMikeS: Could you perhaps fix recording for the ipods? 17.13.15 # Or do you think the audio codec handling is not the only problem? 17.13.25 Nick mcuelenaere is now known as mcuelenaere_ (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 17.13.51 Nick mcuelenaere_ is now known as mcuelenaere (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 17.14.04 # is the 8751 the only one in our targets without ADC? 17.14.13 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.14.15 # amiconn: I think it is the only problem. audiohw_disable_recording just turns the whole chip off instead of setting it back to playback mode. 17.14.24 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 17.14.51 # The H10 had a small glitch with setting up i2s but that's obviously fixed now. One iPod also doesn't set the HP jack back to output. 17.15.11 # markun: No, the 8711 and 8721 are also pure DACs 17.17.41 # samplerate control register setup is somthing highly variable though because of different xtals. PP uses USB modes because it has a 24MHz clock but meg-fx and S have something else. 17.20.45 # the audiohw_init/reset code from the uda1380 should be moved into the target tree I think 17.21.03 # a few meizu's have a UDA1380 17.21.44 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.21.44 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.23.46 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 17.23.49 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.25.51 # audiohw_set_frequency is a bit tricky for that too since it's CF-centric 17.29.15 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 17.32.38 # amiconn: Were you aware the dynamic scrollwheel disabling on 1G iPods is apparently unworking? 17.33.41 # Llorean: I thought the flyspray task said that that wasn't the issue? 17.34.12 # (unless that patch to revert it is wrong...) 17.34.49 # linuxstb: Oh, you're right, yes it does. 17.35.51 # I thought I'd read that they'd actually tried a revision before that went in, but it looks like they simply assumed the old revision worked. 17.37.19 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-23-189.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.40.05 # Uhm, anyone know why we've got advertising links on the forums? 17.41.35 Join wisp_sh [0] (n=wisp@node-29-1.adsl.tula.net) 17.41.56 # * linuxstb shrugs and suggests Jeff... 17.41.58 # oh, complete with tracking gif 17.42.25 # Llorean: Any chance of getting the left-menu updated if you're in there...? 17.42.50 # petur: Where? 17.43.04 # view source on them.... 17.43.05 # linuxstb: Loans 17.43.39 # I guess Jeff needs to pay his bills too 17.44.21 # * pondlife adds "127.0.0.1 ads.digitalpoint.com" to hosts 17.44.47 # pondlife: Odd, I don't see that... 17.45.10 # linuxstb: Look at the source for http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15642.msg119367;topicseen#msg119367 17.45.43 # Or, any forum page, indeed! 17.46.45 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 17.46.46 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.46.54 # pondlife: Workin' on it. Single quotes are the bane of my PHP existence. 17.47.11 # Workin' on the new menu, rather 17.47.18 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cd82122468615e7e) 17.48.26 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCF257.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.51.49 # pondlife: Updated the forums 17.51.55 # They now have the new menu bar 17.52.08 # Nice! 17.53.06 # Spacing's a little funny, so switching quickly between the two pages you'll notice some slight difference. 17.53.18 # I was about to say, but it's not major 17.53.57 # It's possible the CSS changed a little too. 17.54.01 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 17.54.10 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 17.54.40 # I have some things to attend to, but I'll try to remember (or you're welcome to remind me) later, and I'll see if I can get that straightened out too. I do like unity. 17.56.56 Quit gevaerts ("work->home") 18.00.52 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 18.01.03 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 18.02.01 Quit tvelocity_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.05.42 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.08.52 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=PaulJam_@p54BCF257.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.09.04 # hi, are there any plans to port rockbox to the zune? 18.09.42 # secleinteer: nobody is working on it, and rockbox doesnt make plans for ports.. 18.09.51 # domonoky: ok 18.10.22 # domonoky: is it hard to do, or is just not any interest? 18.10.34 # secleinteer: The big problem is encryption of the firmware. 18.10.42 # uggh 18.10.58 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.11.00 # LambdaCalculus37: seems like all these pmp makers are doing that nowadays 18.11.02 # nobody with the skills, time and interest has a zune... and also encryption... 18.11.08 # the new ipods, the zunes 18.11.10 # all encrypted 18.11.13 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.11.19 # no iaudio x7 18.11.24 # but encryption didnt stop us from porting to other players :-) 18.11.30 # idk what to do :( 18.11.42 # domonoky: ah, so it could still be possible 18.12.14 # secleinteer: It takes a lot of work, though. 18.12.19 # secleinteer: sure, but its much work.. and a bit of luck.. (to find a hole in the encryption) 18.12.27 # ah 18.12.28 # hmm 18.13.23 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A45B1.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.13.25 # there aren't any other hdd players supported by rockbox are there? (other than the old ipods) 18.13.41 # secleinteer: The iriver H100, H300, H10, and Gigabeat F. 18.13.47 # archos 18.13.49 # And the Archos devices, of course. 18.13.53 # iaudios 18.13.54 # hmm 18.13.56 # i'll look at those 18.14.17 # scorche|sh: Forgot the iAUDIOs for a moment there. :) 18.14.36 # i'm thinking about the iaudio 7, but it doesn't have enough space prolly 18.14.39 # basically everything is HD-based except the ondios, nano, minis, and sansas 18.15.09 Quit Arathis2 (Client Quit) 18.15.37 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A45B1.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.15.49 # iriver h340 looks good 18.15.52 # 40gb is ok... 18.16.03 # H380 is even better ;) 18.16.08 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 18.16.12 # (i.e. you can upgrade the HD) 18.16.19 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 18.16.37 # pondlife: is that supported by rockbox? 18.16.43 # It is. 18.16.50 # kk 18.16.57 # i'll have to look at that then 18.17.06 # I believe someone may have gone for 120GB in an H1xx 18.17.17 # i thought it was an H3100 18.17.21 # Maybe 18.17.24 # Was it LinusN? 18.17.30 # pondlife: That was LinusN. 18.17.30 # linuxstb, i think 18.17.37 # oh...linusN then! 18.17.47 # knew it started with an L, but /shrugs 18.18.07 # i'm not seeing anything about this h380... 18.18.09 # on google 18.18.20 # No, you buy an H340, then buy a drive 18.18.29 # It's not an original product. 18.18.59 # ah, ok 18.19.16 # pondlife: but that will void the warranty, right? 18.19.23 # Probably 18.19.36 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 18.19.40 # But I doubt you'll get a warranty with an H340 now 18.19.42 # assuming there still is a warranty at all 18.19.53 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.19.59 # scorche|sh: For devices this old? I doubt it. 18.20.19 # pondlife: are they discontinued? 18.20.23 # Yes 18.20.24 # that is what i was implying 18.20.26 # damnit 18.20.41 # i'd just get an iaudio x5 i were getting a used player 18.20.41 # All Rockbox targets are discontinued, I think. 18.20.58 # damnit 18.21.11 # maybe i will just keep waiting for the x7 then 18.21.11 # i think most folk would prefer an H300 over an X5 18.21.17 # I know I would 18.21.48 # * pondlife spots a nice H340 accessory on eBay - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/H340-Swarovski-Crystal-Platinum-Bracelet-Bangle_W0QQitemZ120232976979QQihZ002QQcategoryZ92702QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 18.21.49 # yeah, well whatever new device comes out 18.22.10 # Most of the boys here prefer the Gigabeat F, too. 18.22.10 # have somdething against ebay? 18.22.21 # secleinteer: If it's encrypted (and most new devices are) it's unlikely to ever be Rockboxed 18.22.36 # pondlife: you think the x7 will be? 18.22.39 # unless they do something silly and we find out about it :) 18.22.42 # or the new iriver whatever-it-is 18.22.46 # No idea, but it's up to them 18.22.59 # well i wouldn't be too upset with the default firmware 18.23.03 # they support a ton of codecs 18.23.33 # i just want something really small, big hdd and a small screen, with support for a lot of codecs that i don't have to use a program to transfer music too 18.23.52 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-182.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 18.23.53 # H300 isn't exactly "really small" 18.24.07 # sceleinteer: With Rockbox, you can just drag-and-drop music onto your device, anyway. 18.24.10 # few hard drive devices are =/ 18.24.12 # Ouch - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/iRiver-H340-MP3-player_W0QQitemZ150225142999QQihZ005QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 18.24.16 # pondlife: hence the iaudio x5 18.24.29 # LambdaCalculus37: yeah, i know, but no rockbox for newer players 18.24.31 # OK, so get one... 18.24.33 Join mchua [0] (n=mchua@conference/pycon/x-f99de382e3add33b) 18.24.43 # i'd like a new one lol 18.24.50 # why so focused on new devices? 18.24.52 # but it got discontinued 18.25.01 # secleinteer: New one here - http://www.lightscribe.co.uk/cowon-iaudio-x5-20gb-hdd-mp3-wma-player-with-fm-radio-pr-19276.html 18.25.02 # because my ipod is having problems now 18.25.09 # and it's only a few years old 18.25.15 # i don't want a used one to go bad after a few months 18.25.28 # then get one that wont 18.25.38 # i have gotten a few devices used and they have lasted years... 18.26.00 # hmm 18.26.11 # pondlife: can you tell me the price on that one? 18.26.14 # to assume all or even most used devices will fail in a short time is just wrong =/ 18.26.15 # it won't show it unless you log in 18.26.27 # I just saw it on http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=en&q=iaudio+x5&um=1&ie=UTF-8 18.27.03 # jeebus, that's like $300 for 20gb 18.27.07 # Yup 18.27.19 # or $400 for 60 gb 18.27.30 # iAUDIOs are hard to get, to begin with. 18.27.37 # i could get a cowon a3 for $385 with 60gb 18.27.53 # but that'd be huge 18.27.55 # but that doesnt run rockbox... 18.28.09 # But the Cowon D2 does, although the port is still being worked on. 18.28.25 # scorche|sh: yeah, but it does most things i need 18.28.32 # Of the rockbox targets I know, imho the H1x0 series is still the best 18.28.47 # amiconn: Can't beat recording with the H100, that's for sure. :) 18.28.47 # i'll look at the d2 18.28.55 # (overall, of course. In certain areas, others are better) 18.29.04 # The D2 is a nice little device 18.29.09 # secleinteer: yeah but this is #rockbox...we talk about rockbox here...not general DAPs 18.29.21 # Good point 18.29.45 # lol 18.30.06 # d2 has a max of 8gb....damnit 18.30.28 # so if you want to ask which rockbox device is best for your needs, go ahead, but dont bring others into it unless you are planning a port ;) 18.30.38 # maybe i should let it go and a buy a classic 80gb 18.30.44 # Or do as logbot says: 18.30.47 # ... 18.30.49 #>> "Explain OT" by pondlife (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 18.30.54 # lol 18.30.59 # argh....notices 18.31.00 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.31.25 # * gevaerts didn't know that talking about beer was explicitely allowed 18.31.34 # gevaerts: beer is always on topic! 18.31.52 # * scorche|sh apologizes to those who have "beer" on their highlight list 18.31.53 # secleinteer: Look, let's make this really easy... get a Gigabeat F. 18.31.59 # We have an arrangement. Talk about Rockbox is allowed in #beer too. 18.32.07 # You can still find many new Gigabeats on eBay. 18.32.15 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-124022.home.otenet.gr) 18.32.16 # * pondlife agrees with LambdaCalculus37 18.32.21 # and gigabeat Fs are cheapcheapcheap 18.32.36 # Depending on which country you're in. 18.32.39 # And you can net a new F40 for around $100 USD. 18.32.40 # * scorche|sh got his F40 for $70 <3 18.32.51 # lol 18.32.56 Join markun_ [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 18.33.09 # how much space? 18.33.10 # It's a very good target if you want an HD and no recording. 18.33.13 # 40GB 18.33.16 # yeah, no recording 18.33.18 # that sounds good 18.33.19 # F20, F40, F60 18.33.25 # how much for f60? 18.33.32 # F60s are hard to find. 18.33.34 # But F40 can be HD upgraded too.. 18.33.38 # F40s are the most common. 18.33.39 # dont ask us...ask whoever might be selling them... 18.34.26 # k, then i'll just do that 18.34.38 # pondlife: how big of an hdd can you put in it? 18.34.44 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.35.32 # secleinteer: Well, I know of an 80GB model that would fit, maybe 100-120 too 18.35.51 # The main problem is that the high capacity small drives can be very expensive. 18.36.02 # kk 18.36.41 Nick markun_ is now known as markun (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 18.36.41 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.37.13 # so would a used f40 last for a while? 18.37.27 # So what beer does everyone here like? 18.37.55 # secleinteer, I've had my F10 (10gig version) for 3 years now with no problems 18.38.00 # kk 18.38.16 # Batery is still doing well too 18.38.45 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23F9D9.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.39.23 # secleinteer: no one here is going to be able to tell you how long it will last without a crystal ball 18.39.34 # scorche|sh: well in general 18.39.44 # cant even say that 18.39.50 # lol k 18.40.04 # so there's definitely nothing new i can buy? 18.40.15 # that isn't discontinued 18.40.19 # all that one could say is "if you take good care of things, they will last a long time" 18.40.27 # for the last time...no 18.40.31 # kk 18.40.31 # lol 18.41.01 # You can just as easily drop a new player and kill it as a discontinued one... 18.41.10 # Ask Nico_P... :) 18.41.29 # hehe 18.41.35 # pondlife: hush...more good used devices for us! =P 18.42.48 # actually I didn't drop it but rather I fell on it ;) 18.43.13 # well then i just need to pick between a used f40 that's $149 and a new one that's $300 lol 18.43.28 # 149?...wait till it is cheaper 18.43.42 # your goal is around 100 18.43.42 # wait for what? is the price going to drop more? 18.43.49 # it just depends on the individual seller 18.43.52 # kk 18.44.12 # what type of hdd would i put in there if i wanted a bigger one? 18.44.13 # lots of auctions get put up...some cheaper, some more expensive...wait till the cheaper ones come around unless you are in a terrible rush 18.44.17 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 18.44.25 # check the HardDriveReplacement wiki page 18.44.45 # ah 18.44.46 # ok 18.44.52 # i'll wait then 18.44.58 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.46.47 # damn, these replacement hdd's are expensive 18.47.13 # * pondlife warned you 18.48.01 # secleinteer: Quit belly aching, will you? 18.48.02 # if you get the DAP itself for only around 100, that goes a long way to making the replacment hard drives bearable...around the price of a new unit 18.48.30 # that's true 18.49.14 # are there any specific sites that have good deals on used players? 18.49.38 # ebay 18.49.53 # I also bought mine there 18.49.57 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.50.12 # I bought my Archos Jukebox Recorder on eBay. 18.50.20 # i bought mine from local craigslist, but the usefulness of that depends on your area 18.50.32 # Buschel: did you try adding the faster clipping? 18.50.33 # kk 18.50.36 # ebay it is 18.51.05 # secleinteer: Quit with the "kk" already. It's annoying. 18.52.58 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 18.53.44 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23F8BC.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.53.58 # LambdaCalculus37: welcome to IRC :) 18.54.45 # markun: Thanks! :) 18.57.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.57.52 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f173@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 19.01.37 Join tvelocity_ [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4402650.home.otenet.gr) 19.01.37 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.01.43 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.01.54 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.04.04 Quit svenVI ("Part messages are funny.") 19.06.06 Join j8048188 [0] (n=a3f8c271@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c6849ce24acee74c) 19.06.13 Quit j8048188 (Client Quit) 19.07.55 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 19.12.09 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.16.53 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.18.35 # * amiconn still doesn't understand what the problem with channel notices is 19.26.01 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.27.02 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 19.28.35 # * linuxstb still can't see those gif links at the bottom of the pages on the forums... 19.28.56 # They aren't gif links, just little advertising text links 19.29.27 # Then there's a tracking 1x1 pixel gif, but my firefox doesn't load it at all thanks to adblock plus 19.29.50 # That's what I mean - the tracking gif. 19.30.00 # I don't see the link to it in my page source... 19.30.10 # preglow: I knew I had forgotten something :/ 19.31.13 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 19.31.21 # linuxstb: If you view the source, it's in the last
. 4th line from the bottom 19.31.42 # Right on http://forums.rockbox.org/ 19.32.02 # and it's hidden :-/ 19.32.20 # This is all I see - http://www.pastebin.ca/946442 19.32.47 # Judging by the quality and style of the links, I'd worried someone had found a security hole in the forum software or server rather than them being intentional. 19.32.59 # "Free Myspace Layouts" just doesn't quite fit with the theme. 19.33.27 # heh 19.33.47 # Buschel: you don't have to do it :) i just remembered it when i saw your code and can't do it myself until i'm back in linux, heh 19.34.34 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 19.35.14 # * linuxstb suspects his html validator extension for firefox isn't showing dynamically generated html 19.37.38 # linuxstb: I think those ad links are dynamic, and not all of them add the single-pixel gif 19.37.44 # The forums no longer validate with the validation link. :( 19.37.51 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.38.02 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.38.03 # Though part of that is at least the new menu icons it seems 19.38.55 # amiconn: Maybe I'm just (un)lucky then... 19.39.11 # preglow: I need to wait until by son is sleeping, then I can go the dark and cold basement (where my PC is located since a while) and start to code and measure :) 19.39.45 # * Buschel already knows what to code ;) 19.41.15 # linuxstb: The links are dynamic... 19.44.34 Quit rocko (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.44.34 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.47.35 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-208-254.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 19.50.30 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 19.51.50 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 19.54.30 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 19.56.45 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@083-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 19.59.38 Join Neovanglist [0] (n=Neovangl@69.31.87.218) 19.59.39 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.05.27 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.06.05 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 20.07.50 Nick mchua is now known as mchua|away (n=mchua@conference/pycon/x-f99de382e3add33b) 20.09.37 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.14.01 Join finky [0] (n=4fd3e06b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cf0f4f851a144985) 20.14.44 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 20.14.58 # Hello. Could somebody explain (or better: write explaining comments) what the new functions in events.[ch] do? 20.16.09 Join disorganizer [0] (n=5b11f913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-236b1c5eadeefb6f) 20.17.26 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.19.10 Quit finky ("CGI:IRC") 20.20.26 # * linuxstb notices the time and wonders if the GSoC organisations have been announce yet... 20.21.00 Join bblack [0] (i=81ae709a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-de320f7f2cb1ac68) 20.21.05 # Seems not... 20.21.32 # linuxstb: they said on #gsoc that they have to update their web application before they can announce 20.21.52 # Poor excuse ;) 20.22.21 # aaaaaaah finally xrick has sound! oyeah! 20.23.17 # i had to give up with all dsp_xxx functions... dunno why the resulting samples were full of "noise" 20.23.42 # manually converted to 16 bit samples interleaved. 20.25.50 # dsp takes 32 bit input iirc 20.27.24 # SSnake: xrick is a new plugin you're working on? 20.27.26 # amiconn there's absolutely nothing about what dsp does or takes... nothing on wiki ....and even(quite) nothing in dsp.c . I was really bored to use something i didn't know how to use and what produced as side effects 20.28.24 # it costed me 2 days of headache without good results 20.28.32 # wasn't there a request similar to FS#8751 some time ago (and got rejected)? 20.28.37 # @ linuxstb : i tried your vp-wps-patch (v2) with your attached wps, but the result looks pretty strange in the simulator 20.29.09 # @betrick: yes' it's a game 20.29.09 # SSnake: feel free to add documentation to the wiki ;-) 20.29.42 Join wmchris [0] (n=wmchris@f051070026.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.29.57 # disorganizer: Which simulator? It looks fine to me... Also, are you using any other patches? 20.30.09 # yeah i really should... but i lack all infos needed to write any wiki on that subject 20.30.42 # no. plain install of rb (fresh svn copy) with only wps-v2. then tool/configure 50/s and make/make install 20.30.49 # uploading a shot to imageshack in a moment 20.31.33 # disorganizer: It won't work on a Sansa emulator... 20.31.47 # It's 220x176x16... 20.31.55 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host140-214-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.32.02 # ah. that explains it :-) 20.32.06 # s/em/sim/ 20.32.09 # screenshot of the result: http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/584/dump080317202857mr2.png 20.32.18 # hi, i know, its a lil bit offtopic but: ive got a problem with my ipod nano first gen. whenever i boot up the ipod it shows "use itunes to restore" but i cannot restore it with itunes on a mac - it always gets an I/O error. in diagnostic mode with the 5in1 test it tells me, that the pod only has 0.03GB of storage (or 1280GB) - any idea? 20.32.23 # disorganizer: I can imagine - the viewports will be out of range. 20.32.57 # :-) but anyways, something is wrong compared to wps1, as my own sansa-based wps also doesnt work as expected 20.32.59 # disorganizer: The Sansa _should_ reject that WPS because the viewports are out of range - that's one item on my to-do list. 20.33.10 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 20.33.17 # disorganizer: Did you change your image locations to be relative to the viewports they are drawn in? 20.33.50 # yes. i had my AA drawn inside a vp before ;-) there seems to be a font problem, i upload a pic in a minute 20.34.19 Part Llorean 20.34.52 # link to pic : http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5707/dump080317203416yj9.png 20.35.15 # it seems to me that the fonts are drawn a bit further "down" inside their viewport 20.35.41 # line they have a line or two between their first line and the first line of the vp 20.36.14 Join silvio_ [0] (n=silvio@adsl-89-217-52-43.adslplus.ch) 20.36.15 Join [g2] [0] (n=tom@nslu2-linux/g2) 20.36.18 # Can you upload your wps somewhere (with the images and .cfg file)? 20.36.40 # its on abi, if you have access. if not i try to find webspace 20.37.02 # I think I have an account there - what's the URL? 20.37.32 # seems like no ipod pro is online :/ 20.37.37 # http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24653 20.37.56 # i tried with version 1.2 20.37.57 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.38.03 # wmchris: It just sounds broken to me... 20.38.32 # jea, but i had the same problem some weeks ago and somehow it did work again after a lil time 20.38.48 # linuxstb: wait a sec. multifont could be the problem 20.38.52 # * disorganizer smacks himself 20.39.53 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnc245.ugent.be) 20.40.13 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964160.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.40.34 # linuxstb: btw, should i add a comment about the %x issue i mentioned earlier to the viewports FS task? or is that not neccessary. 20.48.39 # @ linuxstb : ok, the fonts show up ok now, but still somhow the graphics dont load (for play etc). i have the conditional line "%xdm%?ps<%xdc|>%?mm<%xdg|%xdd|%xde||%xdf>%?mp<||%xdk|%xdi|%xdj>%?mh<%xdl|>%xdn" there, but only %xdm and %xdn are shown in the wps 20.49.26 # strange enough, the other x/y values of the images should fit, as they all draw into the same viewport together with %xdm and %xdn (%xdm is the first icon in the line, %xdn the last). 20.50.39 # pic of how it looks: http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9845/dump080317204951vg5.png 20.51.05 # there should be a line of icond in the first line between the speaker symbol and the time and between the time and the battery symbol 20.51.28 # PaulJam: It's OK, I'll remember... 20.52.04 # disorganizer: Why the "dis-wps-vp-1.2/disorganizer/dis-wps-vp/" folder structure in your .zip? 20.53.06 # because there one was a wps registration page at abi which needed this structure. :-) need to convert back to .rockbox... some day when i find time 20.53.18 # sorry 20.53.57 # gevaerts: what voltages do you see in the View I/O ports debug menu when plugging in the charger cable? 20.54.16 # bertrik: on what player ? 20.54.27 # mmm pcm_play_data() call seems to "fire up" sound after 1/2s ... too much... maybe i should use some IRAM attribute? 20.54.28 # ok. found out whats wrong: obviously overlapping vp's are draw in a different way now 20.54.34 # on e200, the ADC_BVDD voltage seems too high, I wonder if it's the same on c200 20.54.47 # disorganizer: Viewports shouldn't overlap... 20.55.34 # gevaerts: sansa c200 20.55.36 # worked before ;-) noticed i need to change that. the reason for it was to simplify the wps 20.55.46 # * jhMikeS plans to fix that bug some time ;d 20.56.11 Quit mchua|away ("Holy shiny distraction, Batman!") 20.56.21 # * linuxstb prefers to keep things simple, and doesn't believe jhMikeS... ;) 20.56.32 # (that it will be simple to overlap them) 20.56.34 # @ linuxstb : drawing a viewport with one font first and put another viewport with another font in the middle was easy :-) now its going to be more complicated and will need one more viewport 20.57.12 # @ linuxstb : and it may be that some wps's break because of the 15-viewport limit 20.57.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.57.38 # bertrik: in the battery screen it shows 4.7V when connected and 3.85V when not connected. I don't see voltages on the I/O ports screen 20.58.08 # * jhMikeS thinks thinks things should be as simple as possible and no simpler 20.58.46 # * linuxstb continues not talking to jhMikeS and only actioning 20.58.54 # The 'battery' voltage on c200/e200 is certainly not the true battery voltage 20.58.56 # * disorganizer in fact needs 12 vp's now for his wps. and in fact he had his first implementation without overlaps and changed to overlapping vp's because he ran into the limit 20.59.15 # gevaerts: oh sorry, most ADC_* values are in 5 mV units 20.59.57 # what value does ADC_RTCSUP show when plugged in? 21.00.08 # bertrik: the ADC_* values don't appear on screen. I guess the screen is just too small 21.00.28 # disorganizer: Then increase the limit... 21.00.53 # linuxstb: true in some respect, band calculation is rather involved but use and block drawing is simple and fast 21.00.56 # 15 viweports is not enough? heh, and i thougt i made excessive use of viewports in my wps with 9 of them. 21.01.05 # <[g2]> I see the 3g nanos aren't supported, but is anyone attempting to work on them ? 21.01.47 # [g2]: Not that we know of 21.01.59 # <[g2]> BigBambi: thx 21.02.06 # gevaerts: ok (I'm not familiar with the c200 debug screens) 21.02.16 # <[g2]> BigBambi: what's the best supported player ? 21.02.26 # @ linuxstb : so the limit is just the variable ifdef'ed somewhere? 21.02.36 # [g2]: depends what you want. Check www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide 21.03.13 # @ PaulJam : well, i reduced their use. i wanted to do a wps without any bmp's once :-) using bg-coloring with viewports. looked real nice, but needed a bit too many vp's 21.03.25 # jhMikeS: I don't think allowing overlapping viewports is feasible at all. It might be doable on >= 8 bit displays, but even there with quite some code overhead and performance penalty, but imagine that on a packed-pixel lcd (1 or 2 bpp)... 21.03.49 Join ali_as [0] (n=as@ambix.plus.com) 21.03.56 # jhMikeS: It's just that all these little increases in complexity everywhere in Rockbox start to add up, and no-one understands anything anyone else writes... 21.04.04 # Now think about the overhead even for 16 bit, and then think about the G5's lcd... 21.04.41 Join mchua [0] (n=mchua@conference/pycon/x-f3f45eff77ac0569) 21.04.50 # not sure where the overhead would be. perhaps a certain method is being presumed? 21.05.02 # [g2]: But best supported is roughly Archos > iriver H1x0 and H3x0, iaudios, gigabeats > iPod + iriver H10 + Sansa (IMO) 21.05.02 # * disorganizer always thought the reason for using viewports is to be able to overlap display areas and decide what to draw with the z-location of the viewport :-) 21.05.12 Part mchua ("Holy shiny distraction, Batman!") 21.05.43 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B1643CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.05.55 # disorganizer: No, the reason (at least in my mind, and some others) is to split the screen into non-overlapping areas, with their own attributes. 21.06.01 # comparisons are on a horizontal span basis, not per-pixel 21.06.35 # ok. but then it needs to be clearly stated that they need to be non overlapping 21.06.38 # at least the main viewport will be overlaped. 21.06.43 # +p 21.07.07 # will the list-vp overlap with the wps viewports? 21.07.11 # DerPapst: No, the main viewport isn't drawn into if there are sub viewports... (or at least, the parts of the main viewport used by the sub viewports) 21.08.08 # disorganizer: I imagine a "pop-up" list, which will take focus and freeze the wps in the background. 21.08.20 # ah ok... but what is with the backdrop and the list vieports? don't they overlap the main one? 21.08.22 # the more complex the region, the more spans are drawn but it follows that fewer pixels are also modified 21.08.47 # DerPapst: The backdrop is a feature of the screen, rather than any viewport. 21.09.36 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 21.12.14 # so there will still be the list-vp, if it gets its customizability again one day 21.12.51 # * jhMikeS just wants to do it for the fun of it just to make a nutty idea work and let the patch rot in the tracker :) 21.13.07 # heh 21.16.17 # wouldn't a frozen wps in the background of a list confuse users? 21.16.41 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 21.16.43 # and give us nice "bug" reports like "track time doesn't update anymore" 21.16.44 # disorganizer: If you want to increase the maximum number of viewports, just change WPS_MAX_VIEWPORTS in apps/gui/gwps.h 21.17.13 # just thinking of a user putting track time / progress bar to the bottom of the screen and using a list viewport to display the file browser above 21.17.13 # bluebrother: The alternative is a multi-threaded UI with the WPS updating in the background whilst the user navigates a menu on top... 21.17.35 # @ linuxstb : which would be a nice new feature :-) 21.17.58 # it would. But is this added complexity really good? I don't think so 21.18.29 # plus, we're on a jukebox, not a pc or other fancy hardware. How often do you really look on the screen ... 21.18.40 Join blablabla [0] (n=4db0467c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-049c88441aed8e89) 21.18.42 # bluebrother: I'm talking about pop-up menus, such as the WPS context menu. It would probably take up most of the screen anyway, but just show enough so that the user knows where in the UI maze they are. 21.19.07 # does the actual version support album art? if yes, which wps do I have to use? 21.19.18 # Rockbox suports AA, yes 21.19.19 # Yes, and any WPS that supports album art. 21.19.27 # default cabbie wps shows AA 21.19.40 # blablabla: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt 21.19.53 # thank you guys! 21.20.00 # I'll check it out!! 21.20.25 # linuxstb: should the size be configurable? 21.20.26 # bluebrother: in fact on every trackchange and when i navigate to add songs to the playlist. it would be nice to still see the track info change when browsing menus for example... :-) 21.20.47 # well, on color targets one could grey out everything that's not in the current focus 21.20.57 # bluebrother: Yes, I think the theme should probably be able to specify it. I haven't thought this through completely though ;) 21.21.13 # btw: even if out of focus, the scrolling texts still scroll *g* 21.21.42 # but _if_ the theme could do this users will most likely to expect the wps to update. 21.21.51 # * disorganizer saw this when the list-vp was configurable, and he admits its confusing 21.22.36 # if we cant have the wps update, then we shouldnt allow lists to be configurable. if we manage to get wps to update, then configurable lists would be nice 21.22.39 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 21.22.51 Quit otih (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21.22.51 NSplit heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 21.22.56 NHeal heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 21.22.56 NJoin otih [0] (n=otih@CAcert/Assurer/otih) 21.23.10 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23D475.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.26.27 Part [g2] 21.27.41 # multi-threaded UI... sounds like fun ;-) 21.29.16 # not really needed to display many elements at once but a model change is required 21.30.05 # hmm. How can I replace elements in an xml file using gcc? Does this work at all? 21.30.51 Join desowin__ [0] (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 21.31.00 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.31.32 Quit kies (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.32.19 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-214-149.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 21.32.53 # some nifty/wild pre-processor magic? 21.32.57 # * DerPapst hides 21.34.04 # * bluebrother was thinking of something like that but has no idea if that would work at all 21.34.58 # * linuxstb wonders why bluebrother would want to use gcc to modify xml files... 21.35.21 # not a simple text editor... 21.35.39 # Like sed... 21.36.36 # Or do things properly with xslt 21.36.51 Quit nplus ("Leaving") 21.37.05 # linuxstb: because I don't have sed on MinGW 21.42.31 # * bluebrother would prefer using sed 21.43.14 # bluebrother: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ 21.44.32 # linuxstb: I know that site ... but I'm somewhat hesitating to require additional stuff to be installed for building rbutil 21.44.41 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.44.45 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCF257.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.45.00 # Extra stuff beyond mingw, qt, .... 21.45.01 Nick desowin__ is now known as desowin (n=desowin@hdp186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 21.45.31 # And that's just for the Windows version - other OSes come with sed (although be careful about the dodgy Mac OS X version) 21.45.49 # But what are you trying to do anyway? 21.46.33 Join Paule__ [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCF257.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.47.03 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D6C2.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.47.26 Quit hannesd (No route to host) 21.47.45 # preglow: done and tested. your suggestion sped it up by further ~10% 21.47.52 # currently we have the version number at several places. I want to consolidate that. 21.48.06 # especially the Info.plist file was forgotten the last release 21.48.29 # preglow: so in total it is ~22% faster now 21.49.08 # optimally it would be a #define in the project file. But that won't work for the Info file 21.49.24 # OK, I read the infos! Is it possible to use album art which is included in the mp3 file? Because I have so many files with this info! 21.49.54 # blablabla: no 21.50.18 # Is it planned to support it in the future? 21.50.36 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 21.50.45 Nick Paule__ is now known as PaulJam (n=PaulJam_@p54BCF257.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.51.06 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f51fdeee49bdee6a) 21.51.12 # not that I know of. Major problem is the file format (jpg). Rockbox core can't decode jpg 21.51.15 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 21.51.46 Join crculver [0] (n=crculver@hoas-fe2add00-173.dhcp.inet.fi) 21.52.06 # also you'd need resizing of the images (which also isn't included yet) 21.52.15 # blablabla: Just run one of those programs listed on the wiki page to extract all your album art, decode it from JPEG, and resize it. 21.53.40 # still no GSoC announce? 21.54.21 Quit blablabla ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.54.52 # bluebrother: Couldn't you move the VERSION #define to the Makefile, and then just generate the Info.plist file from the Makefile? 21.54.59 # Nico_P: chill out 21.55.28 # linuxstb: well, the Makefile is auto-generated by qmake ... 21.56.03 # using sed would make it easy: I could add a make rule to do the replacement. 21.56.44 # Why is it a problem that the Makefile is generated by qmake? Can't you write rules in the input file to qmake? 21.57.03 # I can do that. 21.57.46 # but how to do the replacement in a nice way? 21.58.23 # There's an old feature request in the bug tracker. Is there anyway I can add my vote to show the developers that it has more support? 21.59.01 # crculver: voting for request was removed (as noone really cared about those votes) 21.59.09 # bluebrother: I'm suggesting you don't do replacement - just generate it directly from the Makefile with a set of echo statements. 21.59.34 # amiconn: question about the c200 lcd... 21.59.40 # ah -- not sure if I like that. But it would work, right. 21.59.46 # amiconn: My older c200 seems to suffer from some of the problems reported in the forums, namely the screen "blanks" in under certain conditions 22.00.14 # * bluebrother saw such a thing for a lenghty linker file and it was quite nasty 22.00.15 # amiconn: It apprears that the trio of commands for setting each addr area are at fault 22.00.45 # bluebrother: Yes, I agree it's not ideal, but Info.plist isn't that long... 22.01.07 # amiconn: I seem to have fixed it by sending a nop command to the lcd after each set of commands 22.01.56 # hmm. can I assume sed to be present on a mac? 22.02.14 # bluebrother: There's _a_ sed on the mac, but it's not GNU sed. 22.02.19 Quit bertrik ("off to play") 22.02.47 # ah. Well, I just thought about only modifying the Info.plist file on macs -- as only those use it 22.03.02 # and in that case I could really use sed. 22.03.04 # True. So you've got lots of options - awk, perl, ... 22.03.31 # low_light: Really odd. Did you check the timing in the datasheets? 22.03.54 # Also, under which circumstances does this occur? 22.04.20 # Boost status, large/small writes to the lcd, other commands besides data transfer, etc 22.04.36 # @linuxstb: im upping a version of the mf-patch working with your vp-wps2 patch now :-) hopefully this syncs soon become obsolete 22.06.19 # disorganizer: It might be useful if you could describe how the multi-font patch currently works on the MultiFontSupport wiki page. 22.07.47 # markun: pinh 22.07.51 # *ping 22.08.18 # @ linuxstb : i dont have a wiki account :-) im a bit paranoid with my personal data 22.08.58 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-210-139.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22.09.34 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 22.10.01 # amiconn: pong 22.10.40 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 22.10.57 # amiconn: most noticable in jewels...moving the cursor down one row causes lcd update rect with y=10, h=10. So the following commands are sent to the lcd: R_Y_ADDR_AREA, 0x24, 0x2D 22.11.07 # and 0x2D is the command for standby 22.11.08 # markun: Any news on the font caching optimisation? 22.11.25 # no, haven't worked on it anymore 22.11.40 # * disorganizer hates his pc for being so slow compiling rockbox 22.11.43 # low_light: Hmm, and where did you place the nop? 22.11.55 # sorry 22.12.42 # amiconn: our discussion this afternoon with preglow (alternative to "bx lr" in ARM asm) -> does it make sense to change 5G's lcd routine like this http://www.sendspace.com/file/ms7ytv ? 22.12.51 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.13.11 # amiconn: but if I set the R_Y_ADDR_AREA first, then it's R_X_ADDR_AREA that messes up. 22.14.15 # for example on the sixth column, it sends R_X_ADDR_AREA, 0x3c, 0x45 22.14.47 # 0x45 is R_RAM_SKIP_AREA which shows on the screen as a section that does not update anymore 22.14.50 # @ linuxstb : fyi your wps2 patch also works flawlessly with bmp-resize and smooth resizing. 22.15.14 # [22:11:43] low_light: Hmm, and where did you place the nop? 22.15.54 # amiconn: hang on 22.16.35 # amiconn: http://rafb.net/p/4pJiKv54.html 22.17.40 # obviously the blit functions would need fixing too 22.17.45 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 22.19.12 # * amiconn is re-checking the datasheet 22.21.33 # Congratulations! 22.21.34 # Your organization "Rockbox" has been accepted in to the Google Summer 22.21.34 # of Code(tm) 2008. 22.21.55 # \o/ 22.21.58 # Yay! 22.21.59 # \o/ 22.22.09 # * LambdaCalculus37 passes beer around to everyone 22.22.18 # * domonoky jumps :-) 22.22.29 # * scorche|sh writes some planning time for how we should handle this in his to-do book for when he gets home 22.22.33 # * gevaerts drinks his beer, and cheers 22.23.20 # And so, the open source project "Rockbox" was accepted by Google for Summer of Code 2008... and there was much rejoicing. 22.23.27 # \o/ 22.24.46 # * bluebrother does the GSoC dance 22.24.47 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 22.25.50 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 22.26.38 # low_light: Did you check whether the second 'nop' (after setting Y) is actually necessary? 22.26.41 # * low_light goes home (will check logs later) 22.26.56 # nice! 22.26.59 # no 22.27.05 # I can check tomorrow 22.27.17 # gtg 22.27.26 Quit low_light ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.28.15 # and a very late \o/ from me :) 22.28.28 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Administ@ip565fbeaa.direct-adsl.nl) 22.28.48 # * petur thinks Bagder now has some editing to do on the GSoC page (http://code.google.com/soc/rockbox/about.html) 22.28.53 Quit MethoS- (Connection timed out) 22.29.09 # w00t :-D 22.29.17 # good night everyone 22.29.17 # at least the ideas page is ok 22.29.21 # mcuelenaere: i searched the wiki but can't really find how to get into rescue mode 22.29.28 # anyway, "Hi!" :) 22.29.28 Quit DerPapst ("iPodLinux rocks!") 22.29.29 # I'm not sure I can edit that 22.30.22 # ah, it is there now 22.31.47 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.31.59 Join SliMM [0] (n=stefan@89.137.226.12) 22.32.16 # gibbon_: are you there? 22.32.18 # * gevaerts looks for his unicode smilie face again... Finally! \☺/ 22.32.28 # good to see hugin is accepted too, I'm trying to use it but it fails... could use some dedication 22.33.45 # Buschel: The second part (in lcd_write_yuv420_lines()) makes no sense as-is 22.34.20 # You're saving one register more than before, but don't make use of it 22.35.07 Quit silvio_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.35.32 # there is one "mov" saved -- not much optimization possible as far as I can see 22.36.09 # bughunter2: hi, sorry I wasn't looking at IRC 22.36.13 # k :) 22.36.41 # I see Private messages are currently disabled, so we'll have to chat in here 22.36.48 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 22.36.51 # okay 22.37.00 # about your rescue mode problem, I can't really help you with that; as it is device-related 22.37.15 # i might try the way of the ZVM? 22.37.22 # so I think more info about that one is either on epiZENter or at creative support forums 22.37.26 # do you have a hold switch? 22.37.31 # yes 22.37.51 # ah 22.37.52 # but i can't turn on the device whilst holding the switch. i have to use the same switch to turn on the device 22.37.55 # do you have a reset hole? 22.37.57 # yes 22.38.15 # well then, put something in the reset hole while holding the hold switch 22.38.22 # k :) 22.38.23 # normally, then you'll boot into resc mode 22.38.27 # * bughunter2 tries finding something small 22.38.53 # a thin copper wire will fit 22.38.56 # or a paperclip :) 22.39.07 # or a teeth-stick 22.39.21