--- Log for 29.03.108 Server: heinlein.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 14 days and 21 hours ago 00.00.58 # BigBambi: sorry, was distracted 00.01.20 # * gevaerts grabs his ipod to see if he can reproduce the bug as well 00.01.43 # gevaerts: the asm code always processes two samples at once, i'm quite sure you can reproduce the bug by forcing dsp to process blocks of odd size 00.02.01 # bluebrother: No problems. It seems that ubuntu hardy and debian ubuntu 00.02.06 # damn it 00.02.17 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.03.37 # bluebrother: No problems. It seems that ubuntu hardy and debian lenny no longer have latex-ucs, and I didn't notice when I tried to install it along with the other packages 00.03.39 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 00.04.04 # preglow: any suggestion on forcing this ? Would playing several 16bit mono wavs with an odd number of samples do the trick ? 00.05.16 Quit roolku () 00.05.48 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 00.06.21 Quit preglow (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.06.21 NSplit heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.06.47 NHeal heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.06.47 NJoin preglow [0] (i=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) 00.06.58 Join thegeek_ [0] (i=thegeek@s220b.studby.ntnu.no) 00.07.09 # bluebrother: Hmmm, but installing an older version of latex-ucs didn't fix it :( 00.07.15 # * BigBambi continues searching 00.07.17 Quit preglow (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.07.41 NJoin preglow [0] (i=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) 00.09.21 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.09.38 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216.15.73.111) 00.09.39 # BigBambi: if you pdflatex rockbox-build.tex from the manual folder, will that work? 00.10.01 # bluebrother: I'll check in a sec, I've managed to arse something else up now :) 00.10.29 Quit Insectoid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.11.00 Join CaptainKwel [0] (i=jds@207-237-172-5.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 00.11.28 Quit Zarggg (Client Quit) 00.11.52 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.12.11 Quit Zarggg (Client Quit) 00.12.26 # gevaerts: no, i can't really think of any way to make it happen naturally right now 00.12.29 # hmm 00.12.41 # the H10 recording screen button map seems a little buggy too - you can't go up in your list of settings because then you leave the recording screen at the same time... (in the sim but wouldn't surprise me if it was different on target) 00.13.02 # s/wouldn't/would 00.13.06 # gevaerts: any particular codecs that makes this happen? 00.13.34 # preglow: Y-Signal reported it, and IIRC he uses mp3 00.13.45 # gevaerts: only happens at the end of files, or? 00.14.00 # hmm, no, that would not explain it 00.14.02 # I don't know. 00.14.06 # it's possible it might happen at the very start to 00.14.08 # o 00.14.09 # bluebrother: pdflatex rockbox-build.tex gives the same error 00.14.10 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.15.30 # rockbox.tex should hold the \begin{document} somewhere 00.16.00 # oh dear... why does it always get so complicated... the m5 manual's generated features.tex looks all wrong :\ 00.16.24 # otherwise it would be easy ;-) 00.17.09 # bluebrother: Yes, rockbox.tex has \begin{document} on the third line 00.17.11 # gevaerts: anyway, bug happens because dst is not aligned by four 00.17.24 # BigBambi: strange. 00.17.56 # must be something wrong here (at least the daily built manuals look more correct than mine) 00.17.59 # * Rincewind is going to sleep now 00.18.23 Quit Zarggg (Client Quit) 00.18.34 # gevaerts: did the tracks play at all or just data abort at once? 00.18.44 Quit Rincewind ("bye") 00.18.48 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.20.00 # preglow: I think the data abort only happened "occasionally". I'm checking the log now 00.20.44 Join phinze [0] (n=phinze@75-9-103-202.lightspeed.cdbgwi.sbcglobal.net) 00.20.49 # Y-Signal: are you still there ? 00.20.50 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 00.21.07 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23EEAE.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.21.43 # bluebrother: just needed a make clean and reconfigure, phew :) 00.22.04 Quit Xerion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.22.04 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 00.22.49 # hrm. "ls *.{cpp,h}" does work correctly but "svn diff *.{cpp,h}" doesn't? Wtf ...? 00.23.03 # * BigBambi gives up for tonight and goes to bed 00.23.18 # bluebrother, pixelma: Thanks for the help 00.25.02 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.25.20 # sorry you couldn't get it to work yet, and g'night 00.25.21 # Nico_P: pong (6hr return time :) 00.27.03 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.27.28 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.27.58 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.28.18 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.41.52 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.42.00 Quit Zarggg_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.42.49 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-172-5.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 00.44.59 # pixelma: still working on the broken manuals= 00.45.02 # ? 00.45.27 # yes, I'm about to commit (also prepared another small change) 00.45.45 # Gev...it crashed with 16718 (?), the latter of the two, so looks like you are correct 00.45.58 # nice. Just recognized that I missed a file during my commit yesterday 00.46.05 Quit phinze () 00.46.18 # bluebrother: which one is it? 00.46.25 # I was gone for about an hour :P 00.47.28 # I changed ActionSettings* to ActionSetting* in recording.tex 00.47.31 # Y-Signal: great. preglow is working on the bug, and he would like some more information on when exactly it happens. 00.47.57 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.48.13 # Y-Signal: does it happen at the start or end of a track, or also somewhere in the middle ? 00.48.47 Quit Zarggg_ (Client Quit) 00.49.10 # Seems to always be the start 00.49.51 # It may get out a fraction of a second of the sound, I'm not sure, but always right at the start 00.50.20 # bluebrother: that would have broken all other manuals 00.50.39 # OK. does it happen for the first track you play, or only after a while ? 00.50.52 # hmm -- for some reason they build fine for me. 00.50.57 # * bluebrother scratches head 00.50.59 # bluebrother: and as I said - there are differences on most targets 00.51.05 Quit CaptainKwel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.51.12 # preglow: if you need more information, now is the time to ask ;) 00.51.36 # Never the first track 00.52.35 # Thanks. I'm out of questions (just playing message-forwarder here), but maybe preglow has some more ? 00.52.38 # I somewhat lost track of the details of the manual ... 00.52.45 # bluebrother: I renamed it to ActionRecSettings* (sounds a bit weird but less confusing) 00.54.12 # Y-Signal: and always mp3? 00.54.42 # Hard to say 00.54.56 # there are SPC files too but they don't get played often 00.54.56 # bluebrother: otherwise there would be two different definitions (except on the Ipods and H10) of ActionSetting* - one in the settings "context" and one in the recording "context"... I don't think you can tell latex to pick the right one, or would that be possible? 00.55.00 # Y-Signal: Do you have crossfade on? 00.55.05 # I do 00.55.17 # but it's not always being used when this happens 00.55.26 # bluebrother: without too much hassle that is 00.55.30 # preglow: The crossfade "screeching white noise" bug has been replaced with a crossfade Data Abort bug, according to the most recent report on flyspray. 00.55.33 # Y-Signal: Try turning it off. 00.55.41 # okay 00.55.46 # Llorean: that would not happen in output_sample_stereo 00.55.57 # gotta put bugged rockbox back on 00.56.01 # and this does, this is a pure alignment bug 00.56.17 # Y-Signal: do some builds of rockbox work, while others don't? 00.56.39 # preglow: gevaerts hazarded a guess at which build caused his problem earlier, iirc. 00.56.56 # buschel's asm commit 00.57.01 # Yes. 00.57.08 # which targets doesn't have LCD_BITMAP? 00.57.09 # i know why the bug happens, just not exactly what triggers it 00.57.16 # i really should just stop talking about it, and stat debugging it 00.57.26 # kugel: the Archos Player 00.57.33 # but there'll be no debugging tonight 00.57.34 # either rockbox-themes.org says that every target has LCD, or something is wrong 00.58.01 # preglow, gev's guess sure seemed correct...3/19 is fine, 3/20 is bad 00.58.04 # kugel: it has an LCD, just not a bitmap LCD but charcell 00.58.07 # or I'm getting the "LCD: 11x2" wring 00.58.10 # wrong* 00.58.17 # ah ok 00.58.28 # 11 characters on two lines 00.58.41 # Why does nobody else seem to have my problem? 00.58.52 # I would think that this would be widely occurring 00.59.03 Quit Zarggg (Connection timed out) 00.59.22 # Y-Signal: There's no reason at all bugs can't be obscure and dependent on the combination of options you've picked, something about your music, or even a combination of both. 00.59.52 # Until we know exactly where the bug is, it's hard to say what exactly is making it happen to you, but not to other 5G owners. 00.59.59 # ah 01.00.00 # Y-Signal: I've been wondering about that as well. Maybe your mp3's are encoded slightly differently than usual 01.00.10 # kugel: 11 charactes on each of the two lines that is (so 22 altogether) ... ;) 01.00.20 # ok thanks 01.00.23 # * Llorean still wants the "crossfade" test, even if it "can't" happen there, because he's curious. 01.00.28 # well, I can't find the crossfade option to disable 01.00.46 # Y-Signal: I'm not sure where it is, but I'm sure the manual tells where. 01.00.53 # THERE it is 01.01.04 # in general\playback, okay 01.01.17 # * gevaerts suspects that Llorean has heard the "can't happen" line too often just before reproducing a bug ;) 01.01.18 # more 5g-only weirdness? 01.01.43 # pixelma: no, I don't think that's possibly (with acceptable cost) 01.01.56 Quit asdrubal (Nick collision from services.) 01.02.01 # jhMikeS: probably all arm targets. An alignment bug in dsp_arm.S 01.02.10 # jhMikeS: Yes. Y-Signal has a new crash, and one of the crossfade-screech reporters is reporting the screech has been replaced with a very similar crash. 01.02.46 # Llorean: do you have the crossfade FS-number at hand ? 01.02.55 # gevaerts: Gimme a minute 01.03.13 # gevaerts: 8651 01.03.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.03.41 # bluebrother: I'd still like to know why the other manuals built for you (because that's different from my solution adding the ActionSettings* (well renamed too) to the H10 and recording Ipods platform files). Or should I not bother and just commit? 01.03.52 # with your change 01.04.10 # * Llorean guesses the next obvious question for Y-Signal would be "what is the sample rate of your songs", I suppose. 01.05.29 # wide range 01.05.37 # seems to be crossfade 01.05.49 # it's better with it disabled 01.06.00 Join piga [0] (n=leonardo@143.106.24.194) 01.06.14 # preglow: according to the FS report, this new crossfade data abort seems to be sometimes at the same address as this one, and sometimes in channels_process_sound_chan_mono() 01.06.19 # Y-Signal: anywho, i'll see if i have time to fix it, and will relay it on to the guy who introduced the bug in the first place anyway 01.06.35 # cool, thanks 01.06.46 # Y-Signal: Better meaning "doesn't happen" or "happens less"? 01.07.21 # * Llorean guesses it's hard to say "doesn't happen", I suppose. 01.07.28 # gevaerts: hmm, a data abort in that function sounds unlikely 01.07.55 # not unless the pointers are seriously garbled 01.08.34 # preglow: it says 0x40000250, and channels_process_sound_chan_mono() is from 0x40000174 to 0x40000254(exclusive) if I read the map correctly 01.09.41 # ok, I think my patch is good now 01.09.57 # just need to add "list viewport: ..." to every default viewport 01.10.05 # Well, it takes a while to lock up if it's going to 01.10.07 # but so far, it has not 01.10.28 # Y-Signal: Can you try SPCs? You said those were worse. 01.10.45 # It's playing mostly SPCs right now 01.10.48 # and doing fine 01.10.55 Quit csc` ("Powering Off") 01.11.20 # pixelma: I'd say commit it -- I had a rather annoying headache yesterday, maybe I did something wrong 01.11.20 # gevearts: but channels_process_sound_chan_mono is only 52 bytes 01.11.45 # It could still be an untamed pointer from elsewhere, though, couldn't it? 01.12.30 # I have a question: As of now, with my patch you can assign fg and bg colors for the list (just like in the wps) 01.12.57 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m179.net81-66-123.noos.fr) 01.13.00 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-199-99.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 01.13.00 # but the fg color set in the settings gets overridden. Is that ok? 01.13.07 # jhMikeS: it could of course be in a static function somewhere 01.13.27 # kugel: We did some talking on that earlier, and I think the decision was yes, those settings should matter less with time. 01.13.37 # Just to let you know: the colors can be left out in the viewport definition 01.13.53 # I gotta go, I'm sure I'll see one of you later 01.14.06 # Y-Signal: Good luck, hope the crashes stay stopped. 01.14.07 # thanks for looking into this so much 01.14.16 # gevearts: Yes. I think that puts it in the last instruction of sample_output_mono. 01.14.39 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 01.14.46 # Llorean: unfortunately the statusbar has still the color 01.15.08 # jhMikeS: my objdump --syms output seems to agree 01.15.18 # kugel: Until there's status bar themeing with viewports. :) 01.15.23 # so, when I have set FFFFFF in the list viewport, and FF00FF in the global settings, the list will be white and the statusbar pink 01.15.33 # bluebrother: ah ok. Somehow this reminds me that currently I don't trust a manual that's not built after a "make clean" (my impression is that some changes are not correctly applied then, don't have an example at hand but I experienceed this) 01.15.37 # or is the first of sample_output_stereo (I think I miscounted) 01.15.40 Quit mirak (SendQ exceeded) 01.15.52 # kugel: The discussion mostly came to the agreement that while the setting still works now, it'll gradually fade out naturally as things get upgraded. I'm sure it'll still affect Radio and Recording screens too, right now. 01.16.09 # sample_output_stereo starts at 0x40000254 01.16.15 # yea, right, quickscreen too 01.16.26 # But this will change, in time. 01.16.37 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m179.net81-66-123.noos.fr) 01.17.07 # I think it's actually good that the font and color can left out, the values of the parent viewport are applied then 01.17.13 # And it crashing on basically the same instruction in mono and stereo cases sounds pretty reasonable to me 01.17.39 # to be honest, every setting can be left out 01.17.45 Join mud_rb__ [0] (n=mud-rb@dialup-4.156.9.200.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 01.18.12 # kugel: As with other settings, if you leave out a setting it should simply mean the setting doesn't change. 01.18.36 # So if someone sets the viewport with a specific color, then someone re-sets the viewport with new dimensions but doesn't include a color, it should keep the old color that was set, to be consistent with how other settings work. 01.18.40 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 01.18.44 # I meant, if I say "list viewport: 12,15,140,160" 01.18.51 # jhMikeS: I'm back... I wanted to talk about your patch 01.19.04 Join CaptainKwel [0] (i=jds@207-237-172-5.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.19.09 # font and colors values will come from the parent viewport (so global_settings) 01.19.16 # oh I see you committed it 01.19.23 Quit Y-Signal ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.20.21 # * kugel loves linuxstb for the parse_list function btw 01.20.42 # jhMikeS: what's the difference between the new code and the old one you rbought back for the 5G? 01.21.08 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 01.21.55 # Llorean: What are you thinking about the leaving the traling values out? 01.22.14 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23F1D5.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.22.19 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-199-99.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 01.22.21 # Llorean: I'd actually thought of giving every default theme the list viewport, but only until font 01.22.43 Quit piga ("Leaving") 01.22.57 # Nico_P: The difference between the hacks or the difference between the previous revision to the patch? 01.23.11 # * gevaerts decides that it's time to go to sleep 01.23.31 # jhMikeS: the change you made that somehow doesn't work well on the 5G 01.24.04 Quit sarixe (Client Quit) 01.24.37 Quit gevaerts ("sleeping") 01.25.54 # Nico_P: It seems there's some issue with using struct mutex in that particular place that using a non-blocking lock seems to cure. Though with no disk contention there isn't a difference. BTW, was the pausing delayed even if buffering was allowed to complete? 01.26.51 # once buffering was complete, pausing was instantaneous IIRC 01.26.57 # Llorean: Ok sorry. I didn't pay attention to sim. No setting can be left out within the viewport definition 01.29.36 # Nico_P: does the audio thread need to access the disk as well while buffering for anything? 01.29.44 # jhMikeS: yes 01.30.32 # it reads metadata from files 01.33.01 Quit mud-rb_ (Connection timed out) 01.33.44 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]") 01.34.32 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.34.39 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.35.09 # Ok, what's the fastest way to add "list viewport: 0,0,{LCD_WIDTH},{LCD_HEIGHT},1, FFFFFF, 000000 to every default theme? 01.36.05 # Why not just "list viewport:" ? 01.36.36 # hmm 01.36.42 # good question 01.36.53 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.37.03 # that's a good idea. The viewport parsing function would reject it and apply the default values 01.37.20 # What does your patch do with the unused screen area? Is it cleared? 01.37.23 # which is wanted 01.37.37 # linuxstb: my patch doesn't edit the parent viewport at all 01.37.44 # the unused area is just fine 01.39.11 # Er, this is going to seem remedial, but I've been looking over the manual and I must be missing something. 01.39.34 # The screen blips off after let's say 10 seconds, and I don't know how to increase that value. 01.39.50 # That's the backlight setting 01.40.06 # linuxstb: Yea, just using "list viewport:" will reset the list. Of course...I wonder why I didn't come to that idea 01.40.28 # linuxstb: ... Wow. How didn't I know that? XD;;; 01.41.11 # have you tried settings->general settings->display? 01.41.22 Join joey1 [0] (n=cbdc7c7c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8c7cb91eb220df63) 01.41.41 # I guess I thought that "backlight" would be more about brightness values. XD;; 01.41.52 # And that it would be under "power settings" somewhere. 01.41.52 Quit joey1 (Client Quit) 01.42.03 # well that would be the brightness setting... 01.42.29 # pixelma: Is there one on the Sansas though? 01.42.33 # Eh, I've just been sub-par mentally all day. :s 01.42.55 # (if setting the brightness is possible on your device) 01.43.09 # linuxstb: yes (at least I think so) 01.43.16 # Chicory: I'm not entirely sure if that's given for you (since I don't know your player), but my player does show both backlight and brightness under display (display->LCD settings actually) 01.43.44 # * linuxstb thinks Chicory has got the message now... 01.44.11 # linuxstb: I was thinking correctly (or so) :) 01.45.12 # * Chicory nods. 01.45.16 # Thanks for the heads-up though. 01.45.27 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.45.36 # As soon as I knew the menu I was supposed to look for, finding the setting I wanted was much easier to find. 01.46.03 # linuxstb: can you tell me now how to get the recording settings menu from within the recording screen on an Ipod? ;) 01.46.22 # * linuxstb goes to get an ipod 01.48.17 # Ok, I never needed this, and I feel a bit dumb, but I just can't spot the default themes in the source. Only the wps's 01.48.49 Quit waldo (Remote closed the connection) 01.48.59 # pixelma: Press MENU to leave the recording screen, then bring up the context menu on the Recording item... 01.49.29 # kugel: the cfg files will be generated during the build process with the help of WPSLIST 01.49.53 # linuxstb: that's not exactly how it works on other devices... 01.50.23 # pixelma: thanks 01.50.45 # linuxstb: you can use the context menu from the menu there too but you also have the option to call it directly from within the recording screen 01.50.48 # Other devices have more buttons... 01.51.24 # linuxstb: the OndioFM doesn't - and I get the menu there 01.52.08 # Can you also leave the recording screen without stopping recording? 01.52.37 Join phinze [0] (n=phinze@75-9-103-202.lightspeed.cdbgwi.sbcglobal.net) 01.52.48 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 01.53.50 # don't think so - but this sounds weird. I never would have expected this 01.55.08 # I'm not saying the current ipod keymapping is ideal... 01.55.48 # is there a way to leave the recording menu without stopping recording on some targets? 01.56.05 # that would actually be nice... 01.57.20 # what is the advantage over calling the menu directly? As you say there is a "leave recording screen without stopping recording" and a "stop recording" (or should be) - so you could make the former a "call menu" or not? 01.58.07 # You mean remove the feature to leave the recording screen without stopping? 01.59.18 Join piga [0] (n=leonardo@200-161-98-142.dsl.telesp.net.br) 02.00.13 # would be the case then - I'm not aware of any other target you could do this, just wondering 02.01.20 # ok, this wpsbuild.pl is over my head. never seen a perl source honestly 02.01.44 # linuxstb: is that really a "leave recording screen without stopping the recording", I can't even imagine that... 02.01.51 # ? 02.02.44 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.03.16 # No, I'm mistaken... It just does the same as "stop" (long play). So yes, that should be changed. 02.05.38 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.06.20 # * pixelma doesn't know what to write in a commit message... probably too late 02.07.53 Quit mud_rb__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.08.08 Join mud_rb__ [0] (n=mud-rb@dialup-4.156.9.200.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 02.09.33 # Nico_P: Shouldn't the cancel_cpu_boost call be conditional so it's not called if still buffering? 02.11.01 # linuxstb: Not sure, if i it's matters. But how to I make wpsbuild.pl clear, that it should insert "list viewport:" only if the target has HAVE_LCD_BITMAP? 02.11.04 # the queue_peek call seems like it can just be queue_empty again since it doesn't need the message id now 02.12.29 # Everyone else is free to answer my question too 02.13.59 Join EternalRains [0] (n=unknown@c-76-18-225-211.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 02.18.45 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.19.29 Quit phinze () 02.29.46 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.30.06 Quit midgey () 02.31.31 # >_< 02.31.44 # need help with wpsbuild.pl 02.33.36 # "list viewport:" doesn't show up in the theme.cfg 02.37.18 Quit tvelocity_ (Remote closed the connection) 02.45.01 Quit CaptainKwel ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 02.46.29 # linuxstb: wouldn't you think that "list viewport: default" or "list viewport: -" is better than just "list viewport:" 02.46.34 Quit Zarggg (Connection timed out) 02.46.49 # though, it'd probably misslead from the syntax 02.46.58 # kugel: Leaving it blank is also how you reset a backdrop, iirc 02.47.16 Quit Chicory (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.47.36 # Llorean: I'm can't get blank to work, will take a look at backdrop 02.47.46 # s/I'm/I 02.48.26 # kugel: Do you have a patch for wpsbuild.pl 02.48.27 # ? 02.48.44 # linuxstb: No 02.49.09 # I mean can you post a patch with your changes? 02.50.19 # wait a second 02.50.35 # I'm copying from the backdrop section right now, that'll probably work 02.51.27 # Ok, works 02.53.22 Quit shnee ("Konversation terminated!") 02.55.54 Join Gartral [0] (n=4b214de8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-579f86295c918758) 02.56.26 # hello 02.56.45 # hi 02.57.38 # Can I easily compile just a plugin without going through the whole build process? 02.57.46 # could soeone tell me why theres a buzzing sound in the segment of a recording that the lcd screen was active? 02.58.09 # Gartral: Are you using a Sansa? 02.58.21 # e250 02.58.23 # Beta2K: No. "make rocks" is the closest. 02.58.33 # Gartral: I believe that's a known hardware issue. 02.59.22 # but unlike the listed issue, i only hear the buzzing in a recording done from mic, and not in general useage 02.59.44 # i dont have the buzzing anywhere else 02.59.51 # meh, I copied from backdrop, and now I have list viewport twice 02.59.53 # :/ 03.00.21 # Gartral: I thought the problem was that the mic picked up electrical noise from the LCD? 03.00.54 # thats MY problem, the listed problem it interference in playback of ANY song 03.00.59 # Gartral: But I don't know the Sansa hardware, so probably best to wait for someone who does... 03.01.46 Quit Pio (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.02.04 # merh... i like it anyway, i got the sansa specifically for rockbox 03.02.42 # Gartral: You won't hear it during playback unless you have low impedance headphones. 03.03.01 # It's a lot easier to get it while recording, since everyone has the same internal mic. :-P 03.03.04 Join webguest99 [0] (n=4104c944@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d2efbf5e4c870302) 03.03.13 # Thanks linuxstb 03.03.25 # i wear a $3 pair, and a $50 pair, i dont hear it either way 03.03.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.03.31 Quit webguest99 (Client Quit) 03.03.50 # linuxstb: Done. But not yet prepared for default customlists (i.e. list viewport: 0,0,...."), only for default "list viewport:" 03.03.59 # Gartral: And I can hear it with my $20 pair, and not my $80 pair. It's the impedance and sensitivity that matter, which doesn't actually bear any real relation to cost. 03.04.02 Quit EternalRains (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.04.06 # s/list/"list 03.04.27 # Pourly designed HV supply for the LCD? 03.04.33 # poorly 03.04.54 # true, and seeing as the package just said Sanyo Headphone and no info, i cant give the impedence levels 03.05.22 # linuxstb: I'm gonna upload the complete patch to the tracker now 03.05.33 # Gartral: that's what the internet is for :) but if you don't have the problem, it seems rather pointless...even if you do i guess 03.06.04 # but the mic picks up the buzz... and it gets captured in the audio... 03.06.13 # kugel: It would be useful if you could describe your changes, plus what you think is left to do with the patch. 03.06.47 # linuxstb: sure, I was about to do that :) changed much since the v5 version 03.06.49 Quit argumentD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.06.51 # Gartral: yeah, happens on mine too. i just set the backlight to turn off really quick when i need to record, i don't think there's much else you can do 03.07.00 # linuxstb: I wonder if you are really interested in this patch 03.07.11 # or any other dev 03.07.23 # i just switch lock and BL goes out :P 03.07.52 # wait, patch for what? 03.08.08 # linuxstb: What I forgot: I asked you some minutes ago how to tell wpsbuild.pl that this setting should only go into the cfg if the target has HAVE_LCD_BITMAP 03.09.37 # Gartral: List viewports, more than one conversation is happening at once here. 03.09.42 # also, just quick random bug, turning Rockdoom sideways and booting ANY wad causes the player to crash with a error code 03.09.59 # ok, thought it was pertaining too mw 03.10.03 # me* 03.12.04 # kugel: I think the feature of custom list positions is generally wanted, so if your patch works well, I can't see why it won't be committed. 03.13.50 # :) 03.14.07 # kugel: Doesn't it just copy the list viewport setting from WPSLIST? 03.14.14 Quit luisbg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.14.14 # y 03.14.39 # I wasn't sure which theme is for what player actually, so I coped into every :/ 03.15.24 # There's just one I think - progressive.11x2x1.wps (11x2 is the dimensions of our charcell target) 03.16.34 # Do you mean that one, which only consists of the name and author? :) 03.18.21 # Yes, there aren't many theme settings on the Player... (i.e. none) 03.19.22 # ye, i see 03.19.35 Quit mud_rb__ (Remote closed the connection) 03.21.06 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.22.40 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-189-11-16.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.24.33 # is it me, or does charcells don't know about parse_list? 03.24.46 # do not* 03.25.19 # ah, yea 03.25.21 # why? 03.25.39 # linuxstb: ^ 03.26.15 Join Pio [0] (n=sean@64.251.10.106) 03.26.22 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-172-5.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 03.26.36 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.26.42 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.34.01 # rockbox is amazing 03.34.25 Join omine [0] (n=edu@200-204-74-161.dsl.telesp.net.br) 03.34.45 Part omine 03.35.16 Join webguest55 [0] (n=3aac3128@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ffb3d74812b9fc77) 03.35.23 # anything that can take a peice of hardware that sounds like the rusty tin can orchestra, and make it sound like what it does now, truely deserves some form of applaud 03.35.51 Join TaylorKillian [0] (n=Administ@d60-65-59-145.col.wideopenwest.com) 03.37.19 # hi people i just started using this program on my ipod video 30gig last night and now it wont loadat all just wondering if someone could spare a min and help me out? 03.37.46 Quit webguest55 (Client Quit) 03.37.54 Join webguest93 [0] (n=3aac3128@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bac16af1d07c9d00) 03.38.10 # hi people i just started using this program on my ipod video 30gig last night and now it wont loadat all just wondering if someone could spare a min and help me out? 03.38.24 # linuxstb: I think i have most of your objections fixed, except the last one (I'm refering to your comment in FS8799) 03.39.48 # I'm not sure how to fix that though 03.40.50 # kugel : hi people i just started using this program on my ipod video 30gig last night and now it wont loadat all just wondering if someone could spare a min and help me out? 03.41.05 # hay man can u help me out 03.41.30 # No, sorry 03.41.48 # webguest93: did you try resetting your Ipod? 03.42.17 # my pc dosent actualy recognise my ipod when i plug it in 03.42.49 # i have it connected now and i have a blank screan 03.44.16 # no, I mean a manual reset, holding the reset button combo - menu+select I think for quite some time (up to 1 minute reported) 03.45.00 # ill try holding it for a whole min 03.46.58 # nope not even for over a min 03.47.05 # if i sent it back t apple do you think they could reload it without recognising the change in the program 03.49.00 # webguest93: Did you turn hold off and on first? 03.49.03 # Er, on and off, rather 03.49.54 # i togeled the hold button 03.50.59 # And nothing comes on screen at all? 03.51.06 # nothing 03.51.15 # it worked last night 03.51.32 # i turned it of and on a few times testing it and it was all good 03.51.39 # Leave it in to charge for a day or two, then try again. 03.51.40 # off* 03.51.55 # Rockbox can't prevent Menu+Select from resetting it, so there's something else going on here. 03.52.39 Quit framo ("moo") 03.53.13 # ok cool ill try that then,i have one of the old powerpoint charger conecters so ill leave it conected to that 03.54.05 # do you think apple would recognis it if i returned it to them to fix cause it's still in warenty 03.54.23 # they would reset it straight off wouldent they 03.54.52 # If they look at the disk at all, they'll recognize it. As well, you've almost certainly violated your end of the warranty, so they're not obligated to fix it. 03.55.33 # i guess the worst they will do is charge me to fix it or return it to me 03.56.50 Part pixelma 03.57.10 # thanks for your help 03.57.30 # Llorean* 03.58.00 Quit TaylorKillian (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.58.44 # Llorean, linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8799 I uploaded the new version 04.01.46 # comments are appreciated 04.02.36 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.02.43 # kugel: I agree that other non-list screens should not be touched by this patch at all. I suspect when they're viewportified the appropriate decisions for what to do with them (inherit the list viewport, use a custom separate one, etc) can be debated. 04.03.26 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 04.03.50 # Ok, I come to the same decision 04.04.30 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF4918.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.04.39 # if at all make them consistent, then in another patch, I'd say 04.06.27 Quit webguest93 ("CGI:IRC") 04.08.37 # IMO the text editor should be allways fullscreen, with white foreground and blackground, regardless of the list or other viewports or settings 04.09.08 Quit piga ("Leaving") 04.10.55 # kugel: Some people might disagree (black background, white foreground or green foreground are often considered high-contrast and and "accessibility" feature) but overall, yes, it probably should reset the viewport to fullscreen and use its own settings. I'm not saying you need to implement options within it, "sane" defaults like black text on white backdrop can be used for now, I'm sure. 04.11.41 Quit tessarakt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.11.55 # I wasn't about to implement a setting, don't worry :) 04.12.52 # the problem is only, that the viewports use the list dimensions for some reason (bug? if yes, not caused but discovered by patch). I don't really like that 04.14.07 # Don't quote me on this (I haven't really looked into the code side of viewports yet) but something I read suggests that the plugins inherit from their parent, which I guess would be the list? 04.16.27 # I don't know 04.16.47 # probably, I guess that's why JdGordon_ made this commit 04.17.05 # to make it possible to draw into their own parent 04.17.15 # (if I got this correctly) 04.18.01 Quit Nevtus ("Gone") 04.18.41 # Llorean: for your information, the bin size increase with my customlist patch is 1024 bytes 04.18.52 # didn't think that it would be that much 04.19.56 # But I think most of this is caused by making the generic viewport parsing function, which linuxstb suggested (and which is a good idea after all) 04.20.03 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.20.19 # bin size increase meassured with an e200 bin btw 04.20.28 # There's always going to be some bin cost for new features. The key is spending it where it gives the most benefit. :) 04.22.14 Quit Gartral ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.22.33 # Sure, I totally agree 04.23.55 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-199-99.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 04.24.19 # I just made the settings, since I absolutely hate hidden settings, you know 04.24.49 Join Nevtus [0] (n=Nevtus@unaffiliated/nevtus) 04.26.15 Join mud-rb [0] (n=mud@dialup-4.156.9.182.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 04.26.28 # linuxstb: aww, I wanted to post a patch fixing those #ifdefs :( 04.28.10 # just kidding 04.40.34 Quit m0f0x () 04.48.01 Quit Tuplanolla (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04.48.29 # 8 lines in a row =/ 04.49.45 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.50.33 Join argumentD [0] (n=argument@cpe-76-173-115-95.socal.res.rr.com) 04.52.19 Part Ravendug 04.54.23 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.58.57 # :/ 04.59.20 Quit cool_walking_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.59.34 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 05.03.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.08.05 Join v0rt3x [0] (n=43c168f5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c56aa0c41fed9d89) 05.09.21 Quit v0rt3x (Client Quit) 05.28.18 Join mud-rb_ [0] (n=mud@dialup-4.156.9.243.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 05.31.37 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 05.40.39 # what exactly does the "debug" option do in configure (for advanced build types)? does it only have meaning for the simulator or something? because i can never seem to get it to build on e200... 05.40.59 # i mean when i try to build for the actual device, not the sim 05.41.05 Join phinze [0] (n=phinze@CPE-65-30-152-122.wi.res.rr.com) 05.41.38 Quit phinze (Client Quit) 05.41.54 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.42.40 Join Terra [0] (n=dd7c3c5a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-76e3d4660afd459e) 05.43.51 # hello? 05.44.47 # Uh, if anyone can actually see me, and I'm not lagging, could someone please help me out with the themes for rockbox (iPod Nano)? 05.45.18 # what do you need help with specifically? 05.45.33 Quit Terra (Client Quit) 05.54.22 Quit mud-rb (Connection timed out) 06.04.03 Quit argumentD (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.05.12 Join phinze [0] (n=phinze@CPE-65-30-152-122.wi.res.rr.com) 06.05.14 Nick mud-rb_ is now known as mud-rb (n=mud@dialup-4.156.9.243.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 06.05.45 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 06.27.40 Quit CaptainKewl ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 06.36.54 Join Klapaucius [0] (n=8cb4846c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-23977596b1472cb9) 06.37.20 # anyone here a sansa e200 user? 06.37.41 # yes 06.38.16 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-243-34-31.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 06.38.21 # do you use the bookmark feature? 06.38.42 # not really, no 06.38.55 Part toffe82 06.38.58 # if you ask your question someone might be able to help anyways 06.39.03 # it doesn't appear to work on mine 06.39.12 # I can open the bookmark menu 06.39.21 # but I can't seem to create a new bookmark 06.40.23 # any ideas? 06.40.32 # does it give you an error or anything? i don't have any music on my player right this second (working on a plugin) so i can't really try it. 06.40.57 # and has it ever worked, or is this the first time you're trying it? 06.41.15 # first time I'm trying it 06.41.17 # no errors 06.41.22 # just no action whatsoever 06.42.34 # let me look in the manual, i don't even know what that feature is supposed to do... (did you by the way? some features are...less than obvious without checking the manual) 06.44.04 # thought I did 06.44.16 # seemed pretty straightforward 06.44.18 # (thanks) 06.44.19 Quit Llorean (Nick collision from services.) 06.44.21 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-243-34-31.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 06.46.00 # if i understand this correctly, it's just supposed to create a bookmark file when you tell it to. it doesn't really mention any other response. have you tried loading the file again after turning on the "Load Last Bookmark" option? 06.46.52 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 06.47.05 # yeah, there are no bookmarks created in the first place 06.47.12 # I get a message saying 'no bookmarks' 06.49.06 # this mentions a "Maintain a List of Recently Used Bookmarks" option. is that turned on? (assuming that the Recent Bookmarks menu is where you are looking) 06.50.13 # yep 06.50.16 # all options are enabled 06.51.54 # then i'm not sure. is this a recent build of rockbox? not that i'd expect it to matter much, i'm fairly sure this feature has been stable for quite some time... 06.52.11 # yeah, recent build 06.53.05 Join hd [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 06.55.18 # you might try looking directly for the .bmark file on the drive, see if it's created at all. i'm not sure i'm reading this right, but it seems like it should be in the same directory as the sound file 06.55.50 # other than that, you might have to wait for the guys that know what they're doing to return from idle :) 06.56.25 # I'll check the forums, but thanks a lot for your time! 06.56.33 # np, sorry i couldn't really help 06.58.25 Quit Klapaucius ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.03.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.05.31 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-18-212-2.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 07.08.20 Quit hd (Client Quit) 07.17.57 Join hd [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 07.20.14 Join pandrew [0] (n=andrew@86.122.168.48) 07.23.04 Quit A-4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.28.44 Quit midgey () 07.41.36 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 07.44.10 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-117.nycap.res.rr.com) 07.51.42 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-199-99.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 07.53.54 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-117.nycap.res.rr.com) 08.06.37 Join ghost [0] (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-199-99.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 08.07.07 Nick ghost is now known as sarice (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-199-99.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 08.07.08 Quit sarixe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.07.13 Nick sarice is now known as sarixe (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-199-99.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 08.07.37 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.13.43 Join jeremy89632 [0] (n=www_ctpo@cm134.delta196.maxonline.com.sg) 08.13.49 # hellos. 08.13.54 Quit axionix_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.15.41 Part jeremy89632 08.21.40 Nick sarixe is now known as room (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-199-99.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 08.21.46 Nick room is now known as sarixe (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-199-99.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 08.25.28 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 08.25.30 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD0FC.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.43.48 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.56.11 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 09.01.53 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-199-99.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 09.03.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.19.04 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 09.32.00 Join mud-rb_ [0] (n=mud@dialup-4.156.222.243.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 09.32.28 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 09.36.27 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 09.47.00 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@77-99-112-231.cable.ubr16.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 09.47.55 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 09.48.26 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.48.26 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 09.49.40 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 09.50.11 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 09.50.25 # Hi all ! 09.50.28 # I'm finally back again 09.50.31 # :) 09.50.34 Join Cricri [0] (n=4d66f449@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-184779a25f023b64) 09.50.38 # I would like to ask a question... 09.50.56 # Why does actually rockbox restart the same song when advancing in playlist? 09.52.10 Quit mud-rb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.52.29 # It happens reliably effectively when auto-change dir is enabled and you press "next" when you're listening the last song. At that point the song will restart and if you press "next" again, then the second song in the next dir is played, the first is skipped. 09.52.30 # Yay, just received my Sansa e270 09.52.37 # To listen to the first song you should: 09.52.40 # Now checking the instructions before jumping in 09.52.45 # * press twice the "back key" 09.52.52 # * press wtice the next key 09.54.15 # This has always been a rockbox behaviour... 09.54.49 # And another note: rockbox crashes not reliably when I'm on the file browser and no songs are playing. 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It would be nice to at least have FUNCTIONAL playback on my music player, as it stands rockbox is irritating to use 13.25.36 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.25.55 # leftright: well, no one has told us, obviously 13.26.07 # leftright: file a bug report, if anyone had noticed it, it would surely have been fixed 13.26.37 # ahh, good you're here preglow. i've read the logs and saw my change shows errors... 13.26.39 # preglow: ? (known to me, and there were a few complaints here,,,) 13.27.18 # preglow, I reall;y respect the work you put in, but I am fed up with the issues that playback has, my H140 is a music playback machine, so at least get that right 13.27.18 # i can reproduce the error 13.28.03 Join tom1298 [0] (n=tom@host86-128-218-115.range86-128.btcentralplus.com) 13.28.10 # Buschel: ah, good, i was just thinking about telling you :) 13.28.42 # Buschel: storing double words needs the pointer to be dword aligned, and i don't know if that is guaranteed for that particular pointer 13.28.43 # leftright: umm... do you think that this tone will get it done quicker? If it was easy someone had fixed it... try fix it yourself and file a patch... 13.28.49 # preglow: if i change the asm-code to only process 1 sample per loop it still crashes :/ 13.29.01 # Buschel: weird 13.29.08 # preglow: now trying to use strh instead of packing 13.29.17 # Buschel: but data abort means something is unaligned 13.29.19 # crashed 13.29.29 # and a int16 pointer being unaligned is rare 13.30.11 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 13.30.41 # pixelma, no that tone wont, but this bug has been evident for while, and in the ,meanwhile while important bugs persist rockbox gets prettier 13.30.54 # preglow: now it crashed in fiq_handler (pcm-pp,o) 13.32.05 # the question is, what is more important a "pretty" looking rockbox, or a solid playback engine ? 13.32.07 # gotta rebuild 13.32.28 Quit Lear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.33.23 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 13.33.57 # leftright: but you can't force people to work on everything, for example it would not be possible for me at all to change something in the playback engine without studying C and this specific code for I don't know... a year? 13.34.19 Join mud-rb__ [0] (n=mud@dialup-4.156.9.148.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 13.35.52 # piexlma, I understand, and you do good work in your field, but while advancement is good surely having the basic functionality of a music player working right is important and should take priority over "beautification" 13.36.19 # pexelma not piexlma 13.36.30 # urrgh, pixelma 13.37.15 # I would rather want stable playback too but I know I can't force it this way 13.38.15 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 13.39.21 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23DB9F.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.40.00 # preglow: hmm, when using strh for each sample instead of packing it crashes in fiq_playback() (pcm-pp.o) 13.40.55 Join Tuplanolla [0] (n=jani@a80-186-126-4.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 13.41.36 # I understand, but rockbox's functionality is slowly being eroded by "bug creep", as it is I dont use any of the exotic features due to bug's, I really just use default settings, and even basic functionality is becoming buggy, not good for rockbox's credibility 13.41.57 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 13.42.04 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 13.44.21 Join qwedsa_ [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 13.44.33 # * amiconn wonders why leftright doesn't use the magics of TAB completion ;) 13.44.45 # leftright: if you read the logs of the past 2 month you'll notice that the core devs are aware of the various playback bugs and that they try to fix them. A lot have been fixed already. However, some bugfixed make new bugs appear. 13.45.02 Join A-4 [0] (n=A4@86.89.84.164) 13.45.29 # s/bugfixed/bugfixes 13.45.36 # amiconn; because sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't 13.47.20 # pixelma: just a year? ;-) 13.47.31 # the tab completion works only with one character, e.g. for my nick you can only type "p" and then "tab" a few times through the list of nicks starting with "p" 13.48.02 # DerPapst: maybe, if I don't sleep and eat etc. ;) 13.48.20 # hehe :-) 13.48.20 # yes, true, but then I find it quicker to type the name, but today I'm dyslexic :-) 13.49.13 # tabcompletition works for several characters for me. e.g. pi 13.49.20 # I meant the tab completion in the webclient 13.49.51 # * DerPapst loves tabcompletition, esp. for nicks like lambdacalulus37 13.49.55 Quit mud-rb_ (Success) 13.49.56 # ahh 13.50.06 # well, nvm then 13.50.12 # that wouldn't have happened if he was around :P 13.50.35 Quit qwedsa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.51.42 # thanks for work you put in, I just had to voice my opinion, even if it is ignored by the "managers" of this project 13.52.02 # * amiconn agrees with leftright 13.52.05 Join mikus [0] (n=5316b780@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0e36ba2e360119b0) 13.52.22 # Unfortunately the swcodec playback engine is something I can't really help with 13.52.56 # linuxstb: thanks for the cleanup on the backdrop defines... but what's the diff between HAVE_LCD_REMOTE and HAVE_REMOTE_LCD? 13.53.38 # If you want to use rockbox *and* want stable playback, a hwcodec target is still the only option 13.53.56 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.53.58 # Nico_P: The former is wrong, and the latter is correct 13.54.13 # HAVE_LCD_REMOTE simply doesn't exist 13.54.19 # oh... 13.54.41 # amiconn, I know that some of you put in really good work in your respective fields, and there are several of you that put in good hours here, and I do appreciate that, but the "mangers" of this project are absent with the result that bug creep is affecting basic functionality of rockbox 13.55.23 # There are no managers in that sense, as rockbox is a community project 13.55.50 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.55.54 # preglow: i can only reproduce the crash when using crossfade and skipping a lot. if the problem might be that the *dst pointer is unaligned -> pcmbuf_request_buffer() might return the pointer unaligned, correct? 13.56.06 # leftright: I'm one of the people working on the playback engine. I know about the track skipping bugs, but currently I have no idea why they appear. some help reproducing them would be warmly welcomed 13.56.08 # as i said, it is known that there are problems and the persons familiar with this part of the code are working on fixing things. 13.56.13 # while being shouted at isn't 13.56.43 # Buschel: well, sounds logical 13.57.10 # Why would a sample pointer ever become unaligned? 13.57.12 # preglow: who is into this stuff? 13.57.20 # Nico_P, jhMikeS 13.57.20 # i believe 13.57.44 # pondlife helps too 13.57.57 # deed 13.58.07 # and lostlogic 13.58.48 Nick Nevtus_ is now known as Nevtus (n=Nevtus@unaffiliated/nevtus) 13.59.34 # Nico_P; basically, I start playback from stop by inserting a album (filetree), I then add two or three more albums, it then plays the first song and when changing tracks it might play the same song again or it will play the first song again after three songs have played 13.59.51 # leftright: on what target? 13.59.56 # H140, Random folder advance is on 14.00.00 # leftright: Does it happen if you don't add a second or third album? 14.00.07 # yes 14.00.17 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.00.24 # and what about random folder advance? is it needed for the bug to appear? 14.00.37 Quit mikus ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.00.37 # that i haven't tried yet 14.00.39 # also, does someone know which targets this bug has appeared on? all SWCODEC? 14.00.59 Join mikus [0] (n=5316b780@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a52fb1c210118b7f) 14.01.04 # I had id about 1,5 months ago on my 5.5G as well. 14.01.12 # repeating tracks that is. 14.01.32 # ok then I'll be able to repro if I'm lucky... I think it only happened to me once 14.01.39 # what about the sim? 14.02.01 # but i haven't used rockbox longer then 15 minutes since then, so i don't know if it has been fixed yet. 14.02.14 # seen it on my Sansa and I believe in the sim too 14.02.24 # i noticed that while a 5hour car trip. 14.02.48 Part pixelma 14.03.40 # * DerPapst only has a hand full of songs for the sim, so he wouldn't notice any repeats. 14.04.18 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 14.05.01 Quit hannesd (No route to host) 14.05.06 # leftright: I'd like to know which bugss you find most annoying currently? are there others apart from that one (FS#8513, right?) ? 14.05.34 # * Nico_P will be back in a few minutes 14.07.08 # Nico_P; #8513 is to me the most annoying as it affects basic functionality of the principal feature of a music playback device 14.09.04 # its like having a tv set that changes channels on its own, said tv is of no use 14.12.22 Join piga [0] (n=leonardo@200-161-96-45.dsl.telesp.net.br) 14.14.46 # How much did you pay for the TV compared to Rockbox? 14.15.36 # thats not the pint here 14.15.43 # point=pint 14.15.48 Quit Pio (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.15.50 # It is if you want to compare to a TV 14.15.54 Join Pio [0] (n=sean@64.251.10.106) 14.16.10 # We all find the playback bugs annoying, but having such a bad attitude won't help 14.17.46 # leftright: I understand your furstration but unfortunately you can't do much about it. 14.17.59 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.18.14 # I understand the frustration too, but coming in like that is not going to induce people to donate more of their spare time 14.18.24 # leftright: Stress testing can be a big help and if you ever find a way to reproduce the said problem report it immediately 14.19.30 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 14.19.30 Quit mikus ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.20.42 # BigBambi: yes I agree "bitching" can't help (no offense) :P 14.21.07 # XavierGr: Yeah, it is only likely to make people think "Sod you then" in my opinion 14.21.53 # * XavierGr just learnt a new word :) 14.21.58 # sod? 14.22.07 # yeah never heard that one before 14.22.15 # It's a British term 14.26.34 # * Nico_P was a bit annoyed but admits leftright makes a valid point 14.26.40 # Exactly so 14.27.22 # The point is valid, but the attitude was counter-productive 14.28.15 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 14.29.28 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 14.29.37 # leftright: have you been able to verify the link with the rebuffering? and does it also happen on manual skips? 14.30.29 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.20.214.140) 14.31.08 Quit spiorf (Client Quit) 14.31.20 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host140-214-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 14.31.21 Quit mud-rb__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.31.44 Join mud-rb__ [0] (n=mud@dialup-4.156.9.148.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 14.34.24 # Nico_P; the HDD light doesn't illuminate prior of post this problem, so i guess that it wasn't buffering at the time, and after skipping past the repeated file it plays fine for a while again 14.36.38 # I really respect what you guys do here, but I worry that rockbox is becoming rudderless, and loosing direction 14.36.51 # It is a community project 14.37.03 # You cannot force people to work on things they do not want to 14.39.19 # * amiconn scratches head 14.41.30 Quit bertrik ("bye") 14.42.55 Part Chipsaru 14.44.46 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 14.51.19 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 14.51.25 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23DB9F.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.56.36 Quit piga ("Leaving") 15.03.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.22.36 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 15.22.49 Join Chipsaru [0] (n=chips_ru@193.138.147.102) 15.25.01 Join domonok1 [0] (n=Domonoky@e176240112.adsl.alicedsl.de) 15.25.14 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.25.53 # Bagder: how do you build sources now? I see release has been removed completely. 15.25.55 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 15.27.02 Join Khalsa [0] (i=khalsa@tremulous/developer/Khalsa) 15.27.57 # Good Show Chaps. Rockbox is farking awesome. You devs rock. Keep up the good work. You guys are awesome. 15.28.14 Part Khalsa ("") 15.31.23 Quit tom1298 ("leaving") 15.32.01 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 15.34.58 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 15.34.59 # * domonok1 wonders how that "video streaming plugin" (gsoc application to rockbox) should work... seems strange.. 15.35.11 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 15.37.55 # * domonok1 also wonders what rfid freight tracking has to do with rockbox.. ( another gsoc application).. ? :-/ 15.43.01 Quit domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.45.54 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 15.45.58 Join gregzx_ [0] (n=chatzill@dtk64.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 15.47.23 Quit A-4 () 15.49.59 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 15.51.31 Quit gregzx_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]") 15.52.13 Quit qwedsa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.52.27 # domonok1: there's no way to distinguish between 30G and 60/80G videos in rbutil? 15.53.11 # Nico_P: you have to choose the 60Gb yourself, it will both as 30GB.. 15.53.16 # +detect 15.53.21 # ok 15.53.51 # because ipodpatcher also cant distinguish, and the usbids are also the same.. 15.54.30 # so the only way would be to somehow ask for the disksize, and thats difficult to do on 3 different targets :-) 15.55.48 # yeah, I was a bit surprised but then I remembered it wasn't really possibke 15.56.33 # domonok1: btw, I agree with you on the new GSoC proposals... there's hardly relevant to rockbox 15.57.53 # I hope we're going to get some better ones 15.58.14 # me hopes too 15.58.20 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよăȘら") 15.58.56 Join A-4 [0] (n=A4@86.89.84.164) 15.58.56 # If only I were able to code... 16.02.11 Quit gregzx (Connection timed out) 16.04.43 Join Rincewind [0] (i=6xLZbatE@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 16.04.52 Quit preglow (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.04.52 NSplit heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 16.05.18 # domonok1: not sure but i remember that the firmware partitions size is different on the 30GB and 60/80GB iPods. And since ipodpatcher can read/parse the partition table i think it should be possible that ipodpatcher can "guess" the RAM size. 16.06.50 # though it isn't 100% reliable, since apple sold refurbed iPods with 32MB ram and large harddrives. 16.09.17 # hhmmm... interesting gsoc apps. 16.09.27 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FIVE-FOURTY-TWO.MIT.EDU) 16.09.35 # where are they? 16.10.12 # DerPapst: "interesting" isn't the word that comes to my mind 16.11.05 Quit Zarggg_ () 16.11.14 # DerPapst: you're a potential mentor? 16.11.18 # heh.. there was a tad sarcasm included in this statement ;-) 16.11.46 # where can I have a look at the apps? 16.11.47 # oh no... i'm more thinking of being a student 16.11.57 # you can't yet. 16.12.09 # awww.. ( 16.13.18 # iirc there are now 4 apps. THe usabillity study, the Theme editor (Rincewinds app) and the 2 domonok1 mentioned. 16.14.00 # and only one usefull app... :-/ 16.14.27 # theme editor I assume 16.14.32 # I hope the 2 guys with the rm codec and the LLVM thingy apply too. 16.14.54 # s/thingy/compiler 16.15.00 # :-) 16.15.08 # at least theme editor sounds like the only rockbox related task 16.15.43 # but videostreaming sounds fun too. 16.15.53 # * DerPapst buys a wifi dongle for his ipod 16.16.05 Join eightfold [0] (n=eightfol@c83-251-149-27.bredband.comhem.se) 16.17.40 Join PaulJam [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCDCF1.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.17.44 NHeal heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 16.17.44 NJoin preglow [0] (i=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) 16.18.35 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-8-207-14.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 16.19.45 # * DerPapst should finish his gsoc application proposal (the "Benefit to the Rockbox project" part is hard for not so important game plugin). 16.21.48 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("This computer has gone to sleep") 16.22.57 # what does a usability study have to do with coding btw? 16.23.21 # DerPapst: If there aren't enough other applications then I think your proposal would be accepted despite a weak importance 16.23.36 # changing keymaps and menus after finishing the study. 16.23.57 # * DerPapst hopes so too :-P 16.24.26 # ah, so the study would also involve actualy coding the proposed changes 16.24.33 # changing keymaps and menus, because a student wants it? before that hell freezes over... 16.24.46 Quit Nevtus (Remote closed the connection) 16.25.33 # well, it can can happen with good comunication and politics. I guess this makes usability study a hard project then. 16.26.05 Join Nevtus [0] (n=Nevtus@unaffiliated/nevtus) 16.27.50 # yeah. but the coding isn't such a big bussiness then anymore. Rearranging the menus and changing keymaps can be done in probably less then 2 days. 16.29.21 # designing a new ui based on viewports would take a little longer 16.30.21 # well the menus (aka list code/appearance) don't have to be changed. they're intuitive enough. 16.30.42 # and the recording screen and fm screen need a rewrite anyways. 16.31.39 # well, the order of the main menu could be re-aranged 16.31.53 # moves "settings" further down 16.32.11 # * Rincewind can conduct his own usebility study next week because he is buying sansa c240 for his friends 16.32.16 # yes. but that is easy. 16.32.36 # and there is already a new proposal on the wiki 16.33.02 # oooh, where? 16.33.34 # * DerPapst looks 16.33.35 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-164.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 16.35.03 # Horscht: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuLayoutDiscussion 16.35.53 # hi gevaerts :-) 16.36.20 # ty 16.36.38 # * gevaerts just skimmed over the two new gsoc proposals, and wonders if those people actually even searched for rockbox on the web at all 16.36.45 # hehe 16.36.59 # Hi DerPapst! How's your application coming along ? :) 16.37.26 # i'm at the "Benefit to the Rockbox project" part. 16.37.39 # ...and having a hard time 16.38.04 # Try 'helping rockbox get enough gsoc projects' ;) 16.38.25 # I would have thought that was fairly essential, and one of the things you would know before proposing it? 16.38.26 # heh... 16.38.42 # If it doesn't benefit rockbox... 16.39.07 # BigBambi: Yet another game isn't very important for rockbox... 16.39.12 # Well, games attract users 16.39.23 # DerPapst: Ah, a game 16.39.23 # this is actually the way i'm going 16.39.34 # "the plugin system in rockbox is a very handy and popular feature of rockbox. Addiontaly is a very popular game and will probably increase rockbox' popularity!" 16.40.10 # this sentence is GPL 16.40.20 # "This game will attract more users, so people like BigBambi will be even busier keeping the forums clean" :) 16.40.25 # * DerPapst Ctrl+C's and Ctrl+P's 16.40.28 # Is it a competition to use the word popular (and variations) as many times as possible in the smallest number of words :) 16.40.39 # CTRL+P ? 16.40.45 # gevaerts: hehe :) 16.40.46 # s/P/V 16.40.55 # ah, thought so 16.41.21 # * DerPapst doesn'T want to print the entire log... 16.42.08 # * gevaerts thinks that the "Benefit to the Rockbox project" part is probably mostly needed to see if the applicant knows what rockbox is, in an indirect way 16.42.35 # I change the license of my sentence from GPL to WTFPL 16.42.41 # i know what rockbox is about. may i skip that part? ;-) 16.43.04 # No. 16.43.21 # awww :-( 16.44.12 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279529752.dsl.bell.ca) 16.44.25 # Actually this sections starts with "I know that rockbox is all about music playback [...]" 16.44.28 # heh 16.45.45 # yay for /notic 16.46.09 # ;-) 16.47.26 # DerPapst: you're lying! You _do_ know that rockbox is mostly about pointless discussions on irc ! 16.48.40 # true indeed.. how could i forget. 16.49.11 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.49.32 # But maybe you are smart in accidentally forgetting that part in yout application ;) 16.49.43 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.49.52 # hehe 16.50.24 Quit Horscht (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.51.11 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 16.51.19 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 16.51.27 # yay, my client crashed 16.51.30 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 16.56.12 Quit leftright ("CGI:IRC") 16.57.05 # * gevaerts thinks that "an RFID system for rockbox player tracking" would be an interesting project that could benefit some developers 16.58.08 # * BigBambi gets his tin hat 16.58.14 # "oh, crap, where the hell in this mess is my player?" 16.58.44 # DerPapst, what game are you inteding to port in the GSOC anyways? 17.01.15 # Horscht: IIRC it's Battleships, with AI 17.01.43 # yes 17.02.08 # yay, battleship 17.02.48 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.03.01 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 17.03.03 # * DerPapst doesn't see how RFIDs could benefit rockbox. 17.03.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.06.56 # DerPapst: are you planning on writing this from scratch, or will you reuse code from gbatnav or kbattleship (or another one that I don't know) ? 17.07.15 # write it from scratch. 17.07.28 # the radio frequency beams improve the sound of mp3s with very high bitrates! 17.07.31 # i didn't even know this 2 programs exists 17.07.39 # * gevaerts likes the idea of google paying 5000 USD to let him play battleships :) 17.09.49 # too bad there is not a gsoh (google summer of hardware) :) 17.10.38 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@182-015-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 17.10.40 # * DerPapst only know 2 people that might be attracted to gsoh... ;-) 17.10.49 # including you toffe82 :-) 17.11.13 # :) 17.11.21 # DerPapst: I found them by 'apt-cache search battleship' 17.12.10 # * gevaerts would expect more than two people for gsoh. No idea how many of them are students... 17.13.02 # * Rincewind would like a vhdl fpga project for summer of code 17.13.30 # * gevaerts waits for a theme editor in vhdl :) 17.14.01 # * bertrik has only a vague idea what gsoh stands for and doubts if it is rockbox related 17.14.09 # preglow: do you know of anyone else who could reproduce the crossfade-issue (and can build a software)? 17.14.43 # gbatnav seems to be waays to heavy for a port... and kbattleship seems similar, except my version won't have that pretty graphics probably. 17.15.06 # bertrik: google summer of hardware. 17.16.43 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF4918.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.16.52 # DerPapst: I didn't really look at them, but knowing what names starting with g or k usually imply, you are probably right 17.16.53 # Buschel: I have a sansa e260, I can build the software and won't mind spending 1 or 2 hours trying to reproduce a problem 17.18.29 # betrik: great! can you please apply the following patch -> http://pastebin.com/m18d330ba 17.19.01 # if that's a solution to a problem, I better reproduce the problem first 17.19.12 # betrik: enable crossfade and skip between songs. just check whether there is either any crash or noise 17.19.44 # betrik: i have it each dozen track changes or so (without the patch) 17.20.00 # ok, I'll revert to standard settings and enable cross-fade 17.27.29 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 17.27.54 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 17.28.12 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23F61A.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.30.19 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A5DEC.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.31.23 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-0cev9vm.cable.mindspring.com) 17.31.53 # JdGordon_: ping 17.32.18 # jhMikeS: ping 17.32.48 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.33.20 Join mud-rb_ [0] (n=mud@dialup-4.156.9.17.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 17.34.06 # Davide-NYC: hello 17.34.14 # hello 17.34.23 # Buschel: so far I skipped through about 30 songs back and forth I've not seen any crashes or heard any glitches 17.34.41 # I'm seeing some other weirdness but I'm not sure it's related to cross-fade 17.34.49 # hmm, bad. 17.37.59 # i've posted it to flyspray. hopefully somebody of the users who have this failure can check it. 17.38.08 # betrik: thanks for your time! :) 17.38.39 # ok, no problem. What is the FS#? If I do find the problem, I'll add it to the tracker. 17.39.02 # #8651 17.41.16 # I did see very weird (negative) values in the real and usefl bars in the buffering thread debug screen 17.41.59 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.42.50 Join TaylorKillian [0] (n=Administ@d60-65-59-145.col.wideopenwest.com) 17.46.10 Quit cool_walking_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.46.40 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 17.47.01 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 17.47.05 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCEBBA.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.47.48 # hello everybody 17.48.13 # Hi TaylorKillian! Are you still considering a gsoc proect ? 17.48.24 # yup 17.48.56 # still trying to find out exactly what i need to do for the arm emulator ;) 17.49.04 # how many applications have been submitted so far? 17.49.21 Quit mud-rb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.49.25 # Great! Always good to have someone really look into a project before applying 17.50.32 # ceclin: we have 5 so far 17.51.14 # ceclin: five, I would say that only one or two are any use (the others are either bad or not rockbox related) 17.51.20 # Is Linus Feltzing on this channel? 17.51.41 # His nick is LinusN. He seems not to be here right now 17.51.51 # I'm working on my proposal right now, I hope to have it in later on in the day. 17.51.55 Quit phinze () 17.52.25 # gevaerts: Alright thanks, I think he'll be able to help me out the most. 17.52.56 Join C2H5OH [0] (n=etanol@87.235.46.148) 17.53.17 # bertrik: the negative values in the buffering screen aren't too worrying I think... 17.53.33 # Nico_P: why can't everyone see those applications? 17.53.41 # Nico_P: what is the 5th? 17.53.46 # kugel: they're visible to mentors only 17.53.55 # :( 17.54.03 # DerPapst: another usability study proposal 17.54.07 # heh 17.54.18 # DerPapst: You seem to know about the applications, are you a mentor? 17.54.45 # nope... just a good reader :-P 17.54.47 # ("DerPapst: iirc there are now 4 apps. THe usabillity study, the Theme editor (Rincewinds app) and the 2 domonok1 mentioned.") 17.54.57 # ceclin: What have you decided to go for? RealAudio or game codecs? 17.54.59 # ah ok 17.55.26 # linuxstb_: how do you like my latest version of customlist? :) 17.55.34 # ceclin: or maybe both? ;-) 17.55.51 # TaylorKillian: If I remember correctly, saratoga is the one who put the ARM emulator on the possible project list, so you might also talk to him. 17.56.00 # * BigBambi is a big fan of more codecs 17.56.06 # kugel: Try setting a list viewport starting at 0,0 when the statusbar is enabled... 17.56.21 # I figured I'd do RealAudio as implementing game codecs wouldn't take all 3 months. Though in my proposal I said id do both if theres time 17.56.27 # linuxstb_: the list gets moved down 17.56.31 # at least it should 17.56.35 # kugel: Try it... 17.56.38 # gevaerts: cool, I'll try to contact him. thanks 17.56.39 # ceclin: yay! 17.56.39 # * Horscht is also a big fan of more codecs 17.56.42 # ceclin: cool 17.56.58 # hi 17.57.00 # not for using them, but for the sake of knowing to be able to use them 17.57.03 # * gevaerts wants more codecs on rockbox, but not in general 17.57.17 # C2H5OH: nice nick... 17.57.23 # what codecs would be useful for rockbox? 17.57.24 # thanks :-) 17.57.37 # bertrik: Any and all? :P 17.57.40 # bertrik: .au ? 17.57.41 # what molecule is that? 17.57.43 # * DerPapst dreams of beer... 17.57.48 # alcohol 17.57.49 # ethanol i guess 17.57.49 # I was wondering if it's possible to *replace* the ipod nano (1st gen) firmware by the rockbox firmware 17.57.49 # ethanol? 17.57.52 # Nico_P: ethanol 17.57.53 # yep 17.57.55 # * domonok1 thinks the student with the new usability application, didnt really read our website.. :-) 17.58.01 # yes, it's ethanol 17.58.06 # linuxstb_: doh! 17.58.14 Join PaulJam__ [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCE684.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.58.25 # DerPapst: the OH functional group is an alcohol group - ethanol is just one of many :) 17.58.33 # linuxstb_: did you know about that or was that just a guess? if yes, why didn't you comment in the fs tast 17.58.39 # s/tast/task 17.58.44 # C2H5OH, if you install the rockbox boot loader, rockbox will boot by default 17.58.51 # I know :-P I wan't sure if everyone here knows what ethanol is ;-) 17.58.59 # Horscht: yeah, but I still have around 90 megs wasted 17.59.11 # 90 megs can hold some more mp3's 17.59.16 # C2H5OH: Yes, I believe there is a fucntion of ipodpatcher that will replace it altogether 17.59.17 # gevaerts: oh I thought .au was very similar to wav and hardly needs a codec, but I'll look it up 17.59.23 # Davide-NYC: gnip 17.59.35 # C2H5OH: yes you can. with a bit fdisk and dd magic. 17.59.37 # BigBambi: nice, so I just have to follow the docs 17.59.54 # C2H5OH: try running ipodpatcher to give you its help output 17.59.55 # kugel: Because you're here, so I thought I would let you know before I give you all my feedback on flyspray.... That was just the first viewport I tested, and it didn't work.... 17.59.56 # but... won't that break the ipod? 18.00.04 # bertrik: very probably. I think it's just a different header mostly 18.00.13 # BigBambi: but ipotpatcher can't shrink the firmware patition 18.00.15 # I mean, will he still be able to transfer files (go into disk mode)? 18.00.18 # Horscht: It doesn't remove the flash bootloader 18.00.25 # DerPapst: Yes, that is true 18.00.41 # i see 18.00.49 # Horscht: the disk mode is not "volatile" 18.00.58 # jhMikeS: hi! saw your messages in the log...I'm not very familiar with boosting. do trigger_cpu_boost and cancel_cpu_boost need to be used symetrically? 18.01.01 # But I *believe* (note lack of surety) that you can use ipodpatcher to replace it then shrink the partition 18.01.06 # Horscht: I don't know if any of you have been through it 18.01.06 # * BigBambi looks at linuxstb 18.01.15 # Horscht: the recommended way to brick is with a hammer to (poorly) quote GodEater. ;-) 18.01.19 # but when the Ipod is out of battery and you don't charge it for a week or so 18.01.22 # * linuxstb_ looks back at BigBambi 18.01.24 # you have to restore the firmware via iTunes 18.01.38 # as I don't have windows (and virtualbox OSE does not support USB) 18.01.46 # Nico_P: no, boost is just "set a boost flag" and cancel is just "cancel the boost flag" 18.01.49 # DerPapst, a sledge hammer? 18.01.49 # linuxstb_: Am I correct about completely replacing the iPod firmware then reclaiming some of the firmware partition space? 18.01.53 # I'm just tired of using the work pc 18.02.09 # jhMikeS: and the flag is specific to the caller thread, 18.02.09 # ? 18.02.10 # BigBambi: Yes - I would interrupt you otherwise ;) 18.02.13 # linuxstb_: but not defining the viewport (which results in 0,0,.. too) doesn't have this problem :P 18.02.14 # Cool :) 18.02.15 # Nico_P: yes 18.02.30 # C2H5OH: I think the emergency disk mode always works, including when the battery is completely empty 18.02.38 # gevaerts: I know 18.02.47 # jhMikeS: ok so then it does make sense to only cancel the flag when not filling 18.02.54 # I'll commit the change 18.02.57 # C2H5OH: i've never heard that someone had to restore the ipod just because the battery was drained. 18.03.04 # kugel: I haven't looked at your code very much - I just tried compiling and testing it. It seems to work well apart from that issue. 18.03.14 # DerPapst: well, it happens 18.03.15 # So why would you need to restore with itunes ? 18.03.25 # gevaerts: I don't really know 18.03.27 # linuxstb_: thatnks for spotting 18.03.29 # Nico_P: BTW, I'm curious about the effect of this patch (which cuts 5 seconds off my H10 buffering time). http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/bump-buffering-priority.diff 18.03.39 # C2H5OH: you could also manually restore if you don't have access to itunes. 18.03.41 # the moral of the story for me is: as a Unix user, never again buy iCrap 18.03.51 # Nico_P: exactly. 18.03.54 # C2H5OH: Have you already reduced the size of your firmware partition 18.03.56 # ? 18.03.58 # jhMikeS: ok I'll test it 18.04.00 # linuxstb_: no 18.04.08 # I have a backup of everything 18.04.22 # I backed up the firmware with dd 18.04.22 # Nico_P: on 5g of course :) 18.04.28 # of course :) 18.04.54 # C2H5OH: No-one else has reported needing to restore with itunes on a weekly basis... Why do you need to do that? 18.05.06 # linuxstb_: is not on a weekly basis 18.05.11 # sometimes I stop using it 18.05.15 # with low battery 18.05.22 # it seems that the ipod never turns of completely 18.05.23 # * linuxstb_ wonders if scorche or scorche|sh is working on the new themes site 18.05.33 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.05.35 # and the battery keeps discharging 18.05.41 # Nico_P: if it's in the right direction, try subtracting more from PRIORITY_BUFFERING 18.05.51 # will do 18.06.05 # C2H5OH: though you should be able to reboot it into diskmode and charge it from there 18.06.12 # DerPapst: I know 18.06.22 # DerPapst: but it doesn't reproduce music 18.06.33 # heh... 18.06.36 # jhMikeS: you said a + in the OS stacks screen indicates boosting? 18.06.43 # Nico_P: yes 18.06.59 # C2H5OH: So after your battery has recharged, you're saying Rockbox will start, but won't play music any more? 18.07.04 # C2H5OH: Do you have a USB or a firewire wallcharger? 18.07.25 # DerPapst: no 18.07.33 # linuxstb_: "=-" instead of "-=" owns me ;; 18.07.37 # linuxstb_: I want to replace the ipod firmware with rockbox 18.07.55 # anyway, my ipod is wasted right now, I can play with it as I want 18.08.53 # * jhMikeS isn't sure the point anymore in having HAVE_SCHEDULER_BOOSTCTRL 18.08.56 # C2H5OH: try to replace the OF with rockbox and try to shrink the firmware partition afterwards. That might work. 18.09.19 # Nico_P: you are familiar with crossfading? 18.09.27 # Buschel: not at all 18.09.29 Nick PaulJam__ is now known as PaulJam (n=PaulJam_@p54BCE684.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.09.38 # hmm, whom to ask? 18.09.39 # DerPapst: so the ipodpatcher installs the rockbox firmware in the same partition as the apple firmware? 18.09.51 # No, the rockbox bootloader 18.09.51 Join mud-rb [0] (n=mud-rb@dialup-4.156.9.17.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 18.10.00 Quit mud-rb_ (Remote closed the connection) 18.10.08 # jhMikeS: what does it do? 18.10.23 # BigBambi: ok, and the firmware is in the data partition, right? 18.10.35 # that's why it's so easy to upgrade, I guess 18.10.37 # jhMikeS: is a boosted thread scheduled differently than a nonboosted one? 18.10.49 # IIUC, ipodpatcher inserts the Rockbox bootloader so that it is called by the Apple flash bootloader, and then loads either Rockbox from the data partition, or the Apple firmware from the firmware partition 18.11.13 # BigBambi: you don't have to install the bootloader if you don't plan to use the OF at all. 18.11.30 # C2H5OH: ./ipodpatcher -wf rockbox.ipod should do the trick 18.11.33 # DerPapst: I'm just talking about normally 18.11.43 # ah.. nvm then ;-) 18.11.51 # mmmm 18.11.55 # allright 18.12.48 # C2H5OH: then drop .rockbox on the fat partiton and test if it is working. 18.14.03 # ok 18.14.12 # Nico_P: no, just says that the tread wants CPUFREQ_MAX in effect 18.14.55 # ok, so it's not much use to boost the audio thread when it's loading tracks (since the buffering thread is already boosted at that time)? 18.15.05 # HAVE_SCHEDULER_BOOSTCTRL is just a #define to exclude per-thread boosting (which used to have an automatic element) 18.15.26 # and currently it's defined? 18.15.40 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.15.52 # Nico_P: yes it is. a thread should just call that whenever what it's doing is best run a max cpu 18.16.02 # ok 18.16.19 # then I think I'll add a call in audio_fill_file_buffer 18.16.48 # the .au format doesn't look that complicated 18.17.18 # making sure audio has one prevents an unboost if it's awhile before buffering gets another handle 18.20.12 # hmm I got a brief audio skip 18.21.18 Join Ravendug [0] (n=ravendug@73.100-84-212.ippool.ndo.com) 18.21.18 Quit Pio (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.21.19 # (after adding the trigger_cpu_boost call to audio_fill_file_buffer) 18.21.20 Join Pio__ [0] (n=sean@64.251.10.106) 18.21.28 # bertrik: http://www.opengroup.org/public/pubs/external/auformat.html 18.21.53 # Nico_P: but it only untriggers if buffering is done, right? 18.22.19 # it untriggers in audio once all tracks that can be added have been added 18.22.27 # and in buffering once buffering is complete 18.22.56 Quit K4rP4D (Remote closed the connection) 18.23.09 Quit ol_schoola () 18.23.10 # there should only be two set_cpu_frequency calls during buffering then 18.23.32 # and that's not good? 18.23.38 Join ccd [0] (i=ccd@41.248.4.55) 18.23.42 # hi all! 18.24.07 Quit Nevtus ("Gone") 18.24.07 # another thread becoming boosted should only increment the boost counter so no call to set_cpu_frequency. 18.24.31 # do u know about hitachi HDD ? 18.25.02 # only one to raise it when the first thread boosts and one to lower it when all threads go idle (this is tracked internally) 18.25.04 # audio and buffering become boosted at roughly the same time... the boost in audio shouldn't last very long whereas the one in buffering lasts as long as the buffering 18.25.32 # I didn't have the skip again... I'm not even sure it wasn't in my track 18.25.33 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.25.49 Join Nevtus [0] (n=Nevtus@unaffiliated/nevtus) 18.26.47 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 18.27.31 # * Nico_P commits 18.28.39 # linuxstb_: should be fixed now 18.28.43 # jhMikeS: I'll test your patch now 18.29.10 # Nico_P: thanks 18.29.34 # * gevaerts has enabled crossfade on his ipod to try to reproduce the bug, and really doesn't understand why people want this feature 18.29.53 # * jhMikeS wants to nuke that feature in the worst way 18.30.27 Join TaylorKillia1 [0] (n=Administ@d60-65-59-145.col.wideopenwest.com) 18.31.22 # jhMikeS: it's worse with the patch 18.31.58 # worse than the hack or worse than previous to the hack? 18.32.38 # worse than SVN (that's the hack I guess), and compared to before the hack I couldn't really say, it's roughly the same 18.33.13 # buffering seems faster though (faster than before the hack) 18.33.40 Part ccd 18.35.01 # linuxstb_: what would you suggest about the recalculation of the list at every redraw? 18.35.54 # I think the best would be, to calculate this only upon settings load, and give the draw function the needed information 18.36.02 # something's really screwy with that port since it only speeds up my other targets quite noticeably with absolutely no UI cost. 18.36.08 Join nikosapi [0] (n=nikosapi@ip-222.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net) 18.36.34 # jhMikeS: sorry, was AFK, wondering if the WRS code separation was being considered at all? 18.37.14 # hello, is there a simple way to add a shutdown option to the main menu? (I'm using the latest 5.5G 64MB ram iPod build) 18.37.37 # Davide-NYC: I think it's wanted in order to be able to personalize the rec screen 18.38.02 # nikosapi: Do you compile your own Rockbox build? That's the only way to change the menus. 18.38.18 # I thought it was wandted (by jdgordon) just to rewrite the WRS, no necesarily make it customizable IIUC 18.38.32 # linuxstb_: ah, I saw that patch on the bug tracker 18.38.53 # linuxstb_: I guess I have no choice but to build it myself... 18.39.01 # nikosapi: A patch changes the source code, after which you compile 18.39.02 # Actually, I understand that the WRS rewrite is on hold until the code gets separated. 18.39.15 # kugel: I don't know the answer (at the moment...) 18.39.16 # Davide-NYC: I thought some customizeable aspect was the goal :\ silly me. 18.39.29 # BigBambi: Yep 18.39.48 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.40.07 # jhMikeS: only one or two users asked for customization and I think the consesus is that icustomization is overkill for the WRS. 18.40.17 # nikosapi: Out of curiousity, why would you want that menu item? Would it be faster to access than just holding the PLAY button? 18.40.25 # * jhMikeS just finds himself obsessing now over what's wrong on 5g 18.40.51 # jhMikeS: Damn you! Get obsessed with the gigabeast instead :) 18.41.08 # hehe 18.41.48 # linuxstb_: I use the bookmarking feature, so I takes a good 6 seconds of holding down play/pause for it to finally turn off. I'd rather just click shutdown and have it make the bookmark and turn itself off 18.42.03 # * jhMikeS detests that locking hack and knows it's not right and indicates some deeper issue 18.42.03 # s/I/it/ 18.42.40 # nikosapi: 6 seconds until you see the "shutting down" message, or 6 seconds until it's actually off? 18.42.56 # linuxstb_: Let me time it :) 18.44.25 # BigBambi: No worry. It might be good to put that one down and concentrate on that. Maybe the answer will reveal itself in an unrelated activity (which happens alot). 18.44.36 # \o/ 18.45.30 # linuxstb_: yup, exactly 6 seconds till the "Shutting Down" appears 18.45.41 # which makes perfect sense 18.45.58 # hold 3 secs for bookmark and another 3 sec to shut down 18.46.19 # nikosapi: The patch is your only choice (if it still applies) - building isn't too hard though if you wanted to 18.46.31 # nikosapi: What is the flyspray number for the patch? 18.46.40 # 6733 18.48.02 # linuxstb_: If it matters, I can't say that list browsing is slower on my e200. But I agree anyway, that it should be changed 18.48.06 Quit TaylorKillian (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.49.35 # kugel: It just seems the wrong place (logically). But I know it's like that in SVN, not something you've added. 18.49.37 # * jhMikeS notices that the browser doesn't show up on now S unless a key (just tried the menu key) is being held and hold is off (statusbar is visible). It was ok at last check. 18.52.24 # hmmm, crossfade gets effectively disabled when enabling/disabling the EQ during playback 18.56.28 # also the pcm buffer in the buffering debug screen stays at about 15% of max instead of the usual 80% (or so) 18.56.45 # BigBambi: the patch still seems to apply properly 18.57.41 # nikosapi: Ah cool. I don't/won't use it myself, but hopefully it'll do what you want 19.03.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.04.08 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.04.19 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.06.44 # jhMikeS: I can't see anything other than the status bar no matter what I hold 19.07.14 # Sounds like it could be a lists/viewports issue... 19.07.49 # I'll try to track it down 19.08.00 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4E170.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.08.06 # Shame the lack of UMS makes transferring builds such a pain in the arse 19.08.11 # :) 19.08.21 # * Buschel seems to have FS#8651 solved now 19.08.44 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 19.09.03 # BigBambi: With hold off and the window button held it comes up every time for me. 19.09.20 # jhMikeS: Trying that, but nothing 19.10.20 # make -j3 && make tar 19.10.25 # oops :) 19.11.00 # yeah I didn't get anything either... how long do you have to press menu before it appears? 19.12.04 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 19.12.08 Quit Buschel () 19.16.52 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 19.19.41 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3CF10.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.21.43 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 19.22.25 Join phinze [0] (n=phinze@pcp027324pcs.jesres.mu.edu) 19.22.35 # brilliant, so ipodpatcher refuses to work if there is no firmware in the ipod 19.22.36 # :-/ 19.24.04 # C2H5OH: What do you mean by "no firmware" ? What did you do to it? 19.24.44 # heh 19.24.51 # I was playing :-P 19.24.52 # i guess the apple ascii stop sign is broken 19.25.40 Join MethoS [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-209-246.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 19.28.50 # linuxstb_: I guess there is no way to "force" writing to a device, right? 19.29.11 # no. unless you implement it :-P 19.29.41 # C2H5OH: Yes, restore your ipod to a known working state... 19.30.21 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965F8B.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.30.37 # or use dd and scramble (in rockbox svn repo) ;-) 19.30.45 # ok 19.31.48 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 19.32.13 # can scramble add a firmware partition layout to *.ipod files? 19.32.37 Join disorganizer [0] (n=artemis@p5B11CDDC.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.32.55 Quit PaulJam (".") 19.33.57 # Nico_P: I have hold off and the menu key held until the browser shows up 19.34.11 Quit Pio__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.35.16 # rasher: I intend to commit my new source tarball script to show 19.35.52 # * BigBambi has so far narrowed it down to r16400 works and r16500 doesn't 19.36.35 Join brunocardoso [0] (n=bruno@201.82.128.83) 19.37.53 # oh we're 5 gsoc applications now 19.38.03 # we're at even 19.38.17 # Bagder: read them before you're too happy ;) 19.38.33 # just the names is enough to not make me too thrilled 19.39.02 # Bagder: sounds great, currently my sims page has old source because I used the release script 19.39.08 # aha 19.40.06 # http://pastebin.ca/962361 for now 19.40.30 # * gevaerts rereads the latest usability proposal and finds 'I would not read any documentation on how to use the player beforehand' :) 19.41.37 # * DerPapst likes moo magic 19.41.58 # gevaerts: hehe 19.42.31 # DerPapst: make sure to put in your application that you did read the entire manual ;) 19.43.01 # * DerPapst fears he didn't read it entirely yet... 19.44.01 # * gevaerts thinks that DerPapst should not have admitted that :) 19.45.12 # * domonok1 thinks it fine not to read the manual, if you dont ask stupid questions already answerd in the manual.. :-) 19.46.20 # ... which i try to avoid... most of the time ;-) 19.47.17 Nick hd is now known as HellDragon (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 19.47.45 # I think that someone should post a comment on that application with some questions, but I have no idea what questions... 19.49.01 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 19.49.34 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 19.53.30 # jhMikeS: holding the menu key with hold off doesn't make the menu appear here 19.53.40 # Nico_P: I've noticed that the rockbox.tar file still shows up in the MTP file list even though its been deleted (I suppose because it's in its database file). 19.53.43 # unless I have to hold it for a long time 19.54.00 # * BigBambi never gets it either 19.54.03 # no, just start hold while in the bootloader 19.54.08 # ah 19.54.10 # *holding 19.54.20 # with hold on ? 19.54.28 # ah got it 19.54.29 # but I'm getting close to what breaks it 19.54.31 # with hold off 19.55.00 # r161433 works, r16435 doesn't 19.55.01 # jhMikeS: any idea why this is needed 19.55.09 # 161433/16433 19.55.12 # not yet 19.55.32 # Bagder: how many active developers would you say we currently have? 19.56.38 # BigBambi, jhMikeS: could it have something to do with viewports? 19.56.59 # if 16435 broke it, it looks like a USB commit did it 19.57.33 # jhMikeS, Nico_P: r16434 works, r16435 doesn't 19.57.41 # * BigBambi breathes a sigh of relief 19.57.45 # 16434 is a coldfire-only change 19.57.46 # That was tedious 19.58.22 # * BigBambi blames gevaerts! :P 19.58.41 # Nico_P: since the beginning of the year, there have been 838 commits by 43 committers 19.59.01 # * gevaerts blames BigBambi. Now just to find out for what ... 19.59.09 # haha :) 19.59.51 # gevaerts: thanks... I'll round that up to ~50 :) 20.00.00 # IIRC that's what ohloh says 20.00.27 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 20.00.45 # Sounds plausible. Some of those have only one or two commits 20.02.01 # BigBambi: I haven't followed, what is this 'it' that breaks in r16435 ? 20.02.28 # gevaerts: The display of anything but the status bar within Rockbox on the gigabeat S 20.02.52 # So don't worry basically :) 20.02.59 # bye guys, and thanks a lot :-) 20.03.01 Quit C2H5OH ("leaving") 20.04.10 # * gevaerts wonders how he managed to breat _that_ with this commit... 20.07.15 # Nico_P: I'd at least like to commit this part of the last patch (but keep the lock hack for 5g) http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/buffer-priority-and-32K-chunk.diff 20.07.44 Quit Chipsaru (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.08.04 # jhMikeS: do you want me to test it beforehand? 20.08.27 # I'm pretty sure it'll be fine though, 32K always seemed to improve things 20.08.57 # it does increase the priority which won't behave exactly the same with that locking mechanism 20.09.16 # so, any thoughts on why so many commits break buffering on 5g ipods only? 20.09.33 # gevaerts: unless you hold menu whilst it is booting that is, then it works fine still :) 20.10.36 # Horschti: not really, since everything goes exactly the opposite way on that one as to others 20.11.25 # inverted bytes! 20.14.20 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.15.46 # the previous "buglet" in choosing threads had effects on every target as expected but this 5g is not of this world 20.22.07 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 20.22.24 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23F61A.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.23.00 # Can someone reproduce this? I try to load http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsSansaE200#Razor on my e200 and the wps doesn't load properly 20.23.46 # The sim says: We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/wps/Razor/' 20.23.47 # ERR: Failed to load image 21 - /.rockbox/wps/Razor/; even though the dir is there 20.24.39 # Which of the four WPSs are you trying? 20.24.52 # isn't that trying to load a directory as an image? 20.24.59 # jhMikeS: Yes 20.25.10 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.25.22 # linuxstb_: razor, the link should lead to that 20.25.50 # kugel: There are four zip files inside one zip... But the problem is lines with no image name - e.g. %xl|v||2|0| 20.26.03 # I used the first zip 20.26.48 # I can't spot such a tag 20.26.55 # the "rockbox" in the lower right corner on H120 gets a cool effect from the line selector 20.27.18 # also, the whole wps seems to fail, the progressbar and the wps backdrop don't apply as well 20.27.53 # jhMikeS: just tested your patch. buffering *seems* faster and responsiveness doesn't seem to be affected. I say commit :) 20.27.59 # kugel: Yes, images are now checked as part of the wps parsing, and the WPS rejected if they are not all loaded. 20.28.00 # linuxstb_: Ahh yea, there's two of those lines 20.28.15 # I don't get the default wps though 20.28.32 # it measures faster on other targets too (beyond what 32K alone will do) so I agree :) 20.29.28 # IMO the default wps should be shown, it indicates an error best 20.29.58 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.30.09 # of course I agree - it's my patch :P 20.30.21 # kugel: Are you testing with a clean SVN? 20.30.33 # linuxstb_: Yep 20.31.11 # not even the customlist patch applied. I allways get a fresh source and compile the sim to double-check issues 20.33.54 # btw, regarding adding an error message: I did it, but it gets masked by "settings loaded" when the WPS is loaded along with a theme 20.34.27 # can anyone give me a one sentence summary of the arguments to rb->set_int ? const char* unit seems to not do anything, and what do function and formatter do? (especially function) 20.35.39 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 20.38.27 Join DerPapst277 [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23F61A.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.38.30 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 20.38.32 Nick DerPapst277 is now known as DerPapst (n=DerPapst@p5B23F61A.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.39.11 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.39.12 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.41.28 Join maretard [0] (n=43bfa262@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1c6456edda61ba21) 20.41.51 # Hello everyone! 20.42.07 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A52DC.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.42.24 Join Chipsaru [0] (n=chips_ru@193.138.147.102) 20.42.40 Join leftright [0] (n=d9e1f1a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fc18deaba6a5b6f4) 20.42.40 Quit Arathis2 (Client Quit) 20.42.40 Quit maretard (Client Quit) 20.43.43 # * kugel this it would be great if the sim would show the coordinates when you hover over the window with the mouse 20.43.46 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.43.49 # thinks* 20.43.58 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 20.43.59 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.44.18 Quit Zarggg () 20.44.31 # I have been trying for hours now to get my wps to display my battery status, it used to work fine. I have included %wd, but it still wont show my battery status 20.44.56 # kugel: save that for Rincewinds app :-)# 20.45.14 # ^^ 20.45.32 Join Alvin [0] (n=Miranda@c-67-191-162-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 20.45.38 # kugel: there are probably some tools that let you do that for any window 20.45.40 # kugel: I think JdGordon had a patch pretty much to that effect 20.45.45 # hi everyone! 20.46.04 # Nico_P: where is that? and why is it not in svn? :) 20.46.31 # I don't know where it is, nor why it's not in svn 20.46.56 # uhh, just wondering, how does one "start" developing with Rockbox on a new platform? 20.47.28 # Alvin: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 20.47.42 # ah 20.47.44 # thankees :D 20.47.46 Quit brunocardoso ("Ex-Chat") 20.47.56 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.47.56 # haha, i tried to find a page like this before, but couldn't :D 20.48.11 # it'l show %bv but not %bl what has changed recently that it wont accept my old %bl ?, any ideas ? 20.50.33 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 20.51.32 # kugel: your latest patch works fine. now the only things missing to make the wps-world perfect is multiffont and (even more important) a viewportified statusbar :-) 20.52.01 # disorganizer: You mean costumizable statusbar? 20.52.13 # disorganizer: I doubt that the statusbar in a vp would change much 20.52.36 Quit leftright ("CGI:IRC") 20.52.39 # disorganizer: But thanks for testing, nice to hear that it works 20.52.44 # i mean whatever linuxstb's hack did :-) 20.53.12 # * kugel didn't know that my patch helps the making the *wps*-world perfect :o 20.53.34 # well, theme-world in fact :-) 20.53.38 # oh jeez, this is bad. i can't even access the zune's system files at all. T_T 20.55.04 # kugel: also a wps just looks bad if the nice graphical layout is broken by a fullscreen list imho :-) the graphical elements we use for wps's (aka areas of the screen) should be consitent throughout the ui. 20.55.33 # true true 20.55.49 # That was my intention for the patch ;) 20.56.11 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.56.17 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.56.23 # now the only thing left is to be able to display some elements of the wps (aka album/artist/battery/time/...) on all screens :-) 20.56.26 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.56.30 Join picky [0] (n=4fd3eff6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3029952f1f6e4ec5) 20.56.37 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 20.56.40 # well, except multifont, and propably vertical peakmeters *g* 20.56.43 # Llorean:ping 20.56.57 # * jhMikeS demands circular peakmeters 20.58.13 # * gevaerts thinks this limitation to two dimensions is disturbing ;) 20.59.05 # * jhMikeS feels cramped in fewer than 4 or 5 dimensions :p 20.59.35 # A couple of days ago there was a talk about play list behavior. I.e. whether it should be cleared when playback is stopped and a song is inserted. And whether playback should be started then. Did it come to a conclusion? If not: couldn't we just have two settings for this? That would settle all the interests. 20.59.37 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.00.57 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.01.56 # iirc peakmeters are already 3D... x and y achses and of course the t achse :-P 21.02.29 # * gevaerts spots German words ;) 21.03.20 # xis... 21.03.25 # *axis 21.03.27 # * DerPapst runs 21.03.31 # achsel? 21.03.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.06.38 # Anybody else who could tell me about playlist behaviour discussion? I see some nicks of very active users but they seem not to be aktive right now. 21.08.29 # linuxstb_: eh...i was sleeping, but i am now.. 21.08.49 # any irc op arround? 21.09.00 # o_O 21.09.12 # is that a yes? 21.09.24 # that depends on what you need 21.09.31 # a unban 21.09.40 # from Keripo 21.09.55 # i guess logbot banne3d him a while ago 21.09.58 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 21.10.08 # scorche: Is the plan to force all themes to use the same license, or is there going to be a selection of acceptable licenses? 21.10.15 # oh, thats nice 21.10.29 # linuxstb: the former...if they want another license, they email me 21.10.41 Mode "#rockbox -bb *!*@*.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com *!*62dcbd9e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se* " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 21.10.59 Join Keripo [0] (n=Keripo@CPE001111e441f8-CM001a6680d4fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 21.11.08 # hey Keripo :-) 21.11.15 # Bagder: wow...that was a broad ban... 21.11.17 # * Keripo pokes in 21.11.20 # scorche: Why? Either there's a choice, or there isn't... 21.11.50 # linuxstb: I finally got around to doing the ipodpatcher fix I talked to you about a long, long time ago 21.12.13 # Keripo: I've forgotton what that was... 21.12.17 # linuxstb: alright...then we can force the former then...i was planning on using the email methos as an un-documented feature and if they did, i would lead them to a permissibe license like cc-by-sa anyway 21.13.01 # scorche: Which license has been chosen? 21.13.08 # cc-by-sa 21.13.26 # linuxstb: It was originally just "fix all the error levels so that success actually returned 0 and failure actually returned 1" but then I just redid the entire main.c and redid the formatting, etc. 21.13.54 # scorche: 3.0? 21.13.58 # scorche: OK. I just noticed some themes use a non-commercial version of the CC. 21.14.10 # linuxstb: yeah...not a fan of that 21.15.00 # What's the submission process going to be? Is it going to be fully automatic, or some manual processing? 21.15.27 # linuxstb: should I just add the patch to the flyspray or is there anyone in particular who I should talk to? 21.16.04 # some manual so far...there will be plenty of improvements along the way including broken filters, automatic things, etc...there will be a "feature request/to-do" list on the wiki page 21.16.08 Quit picky ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.16.17 # Keripo: Yes, please add it to flyspray. 21.18.52 Join jerl92 [0] (n=jer_l_@ip-66-254-43-208.mqdsl.megaquebec.net) 21.19.03 # scorche: Is Rockbox's real-name policy being applied? 21.19.58 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=bughunte@ip565fbeaa.direct-adsl.nl) 21.25.57 # linuxstb: yes, however they can display a nick publicly on the site...we require a full name for CC-by-sa purposes, of course so they need to enter that in the agreement box 21.26.20 # Keripo: sorr about being banned...you got caught by someone's overly broad ban 21.26.25 # sorry, even 21.27.24 # sure, no prob ; ) 21.28.43 # quick question though - will rbutil be affected by any changes in ipodpatcher or are they completely separate 21.28.46 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]") 21.28.58 # * scorche looks at the 8 versions of r-t.org he has in his working directory and wonders which one he was actively working on =/ 21.29.14 # * scorche runs to the test server 21.30.23 # Keripo: rbutil uses ipodpatcher.c (and ipodio-*) directly. main.c is just ipodpatcher itself. 21.31.03 # understood 21.35.02 Join mud-rb_ [0] (n=mud-rb@dialup-4.156.9.213.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 21.37.50 # scorche: I don't understand. If you're saying you need the real name for CC-by-sa purposes, doesn't that mean everyone that downloads a copy also needs it? 21.39.43 Part eightfold 21.41.37 Quit bughunter2 ("Leaving.") 21.41.54 # linuxstb: i can always put their name in a text file that comes with the theme...this is how it is currently set up 21.44.43 # a gsoc question: there is a part about rockbox-ui (pitchscreen, quickscreen). does the wording mean that those screens should be wps-ified? 21.45.14 Quit bertrik ("bye") 21.45.25 # scorche, you're a good person to talk to about the SoC, no? 21.45.59 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host140-214-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.46.11 # that depends on what you want to talk about... 21.46.12 # disorganizer: No 21.46.19 # disorganizer: not from my reading of it 21.46.58 # ok. so the wording should propably clearer on what is to be done there. just for my feeling of it. 21.46.59 # * DerPapst votes for wps-ifying entire rockbox. 21.47.16 # * disorganizer votes for viewportfying the Papst :-) 21.47.19 # disorganizer: of course you are free to propose to do that anyway, and argue about why it's needed. DerPapst will gladly help you do that :) 21.47.22 # DerPapst: please don't... 21.47.37 # scorche|sh, I know it's late, but I'm strongly considering applying. 21.47.47 # * disorganizer is no student any more (im so old... :...( 21.47.53 # * DerPapst orgnaises disorganizer :-P 21.47.58 # (And Rockbox is the first project that comes to mind.) 21.48.12 # BHSPitMonkey: It's not late, you have 48 hours... Do you have any projects in mind? 21.48.12 # BHSPitMonkey: it isnt too late...in all likelyhood the applications will go on a further week 21.48.25 # linuxstb, that's another problem, I don't. 21.48.33 # heh 21.48.37 # * gevaerts recommends not counting on that extension yet... 21.48.40 # And, on top of that, I feel like I won't make the cut. 21.48.52 # BHSPitMonkey: well, that is part of the GSoC...you need to pick a project that motivates you 21.49.08 # or make one yourself *cough* 21.49.20 # * gevaerts hands DerPapst a throat lozenge 21.49.28 # DerPapst: well, "pick" includes picking from one's head or even the tracker 21.49.29 # I want to apply with Rockbox simply because I've been in here for years, I know the community and the project already. 21.49.59 # gevaerts: i think i may incorporate that into a future bot.. 21.50.05 # But, I've never delved into its code before. I feel like that rules me out or something. 21.50.15 # BHSPitMonkey: then there should be at least something that you think is missing 21.50.16 # * DerPapst eats the throat lozenge 21.50.20 # BHSPitMonkey: it surely doesnt 21.50.23 Quit preglow (heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21.50.23 NSplit heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 21.50.35 # * disorganizer is not paepslicher as DerPapst :-P 21.50.42 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 21.50.43 # damn, +t 21.50.46 # linuxstb_: are you going to fix that? I mean that the default theme is not applied when the image checks fail 21.50.53 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 21.51.05 # * gevaerts is running out of throat lozenges and adds them to his shopping list 21.51.17 # s/as/than, and it's perfect ;) 21.51.55 Quit mud-rb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.52.04 # BHSPitMonkey: depending on what you want to do, getting to know the relevant code can be reasonably easy 21.52.12 # * disorganizer is just to drunk atm obviously 21.52.17 # linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8827 <- patch if you want to look at it later or redirect it to someone else 21.52.18 # +o 21.52.25 # kugel: I agree it should be fixed... 21.53.03 # I feel like I would want to either work on UI or codec-related ideas... 21.53.18 # Ok, I'm just gonna open a fs task, and someone will do it for sure ;) 21.53.22 # BHSPitMonkey: what is your programming background? 21.54.18 # Rincewind, I studied C/C++ a little in high school, but I've been off of it for long time. Right now I'm a first-year CS major, so I've been doing a lot of Java. 21.54.30 Join webguest28 [0] (n=18a80329@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2dd0c3fb99b2e