--- Log for 01.04.108 Server: heinlein.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 17 days and 20 hours ago 00.00.11 # I don't know about step 8 but I'm pretty sure about steps 3 and 4. Anyway the device should not depend on the exact enumeration sequence used by the host. 00.00.32 # * phinze will use the nutshell as a quick intro, and give the dead tree reference more credence 00.00.32 # Compiling can be enabled for all bitmap targets. The #if inside the plugin ensures that it ends up as 0-byte file on colour targets, and hence won't be packaged by 'make zip' 00.00.33 # amiconn: i now too (more or less) 00.01.00 # amiconn: ah didn't know. 00.02.01 # bertrik: I'll do a trace tomorrow to verify step 4 on XP. Step 3 is at least inaccurate (low speed devices...) 00.03.57 Quit midgey () 00.04.06 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.04.12 # phinze: don't worry too much about it. You'll find out in time, and for usb audio you don't actually have to care about enumeration (except for the contents of the configuration descriptor). And if you want to give something credence (i.e. it's actually important), use the official spec (http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/) 00.05.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.09.06 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.09.10 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]") 00.09.28 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 00.11.13 # gevaerts: fair enough 00.11.41 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 00.12.14 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.12.31 # phinze: chances are that you won't encounter anything critical enough to need the actual spec anytime soon of course 00.13.19 # gevaerts: still good to know i have 650pgs of Truth hanging out there in case i need it :) 00.13.31 # :) 00.13.46 # amiconn: hmmm...easy to rename that then. that codes still rather at the prototype stage anyway (I may take a completely different approach that uses sems instead) 00.13.51 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 00.13.52 Join Ravendug [0] (n=ravendug@73.100-84-212.ippool.ndo.com) 00.14.28 # jhMikeS: If you want to check which WAIT_* macros to avoid, check w32api/winbase.h 00.14.29 Join Chronon [0] (i=vircuser@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 00.15.44 # It currently has WAIT_OBJECT_0, WAIT_ABANDONED_0, WAIT_TIMEOUT, WAIT_IO_COMPLETION, WAIT_FAILED 00.15.46 # I know window's wait returns but didn't think about windows headers colliding. :\ 00.16.48 # is it possible that this is also the reason why some button presses aren't working correctly in my cygwin compiled sim (depending on context one or two buttons don't do anythinh)? 00.16.59 # *anything 00.17.27 Quit bertrik ("bye") 00.17.38 # * jhMikeS tries to think of different names that aren't too weird 00.18.46 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.18.52 Quit CyBergRind|w (Success) 00.18.57 Join dionoea_ [0] (n=dionoea@yop.chewa.net) 00.19.14 Quit davina^ (Remote closed the connection) 00.19.37 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f0bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4b2ef64227924559) 00.19.47 Quit dionoea (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.19.58 # What does everyone think of task 8835 ? 00.21.32 # jhMikeS: hi 00.21.35 # crzyboyster: Yes, that's been suggested a few times in the past. 00.21.36 # Could be useful for cariants of the same theme as he states in the request 00.22.00 # Nico_P: hello 00.22.39 # btw, I have a 30 gig iPod video in hand - does that one ever exhibit problems like the 60/80? 00.22.50 # Potentially another one of the new WPS features. It would probably save space on people's hardrives too and make theme packs easier to handle (better for the new rockbox-themes.org site?) 00.22.57 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m179.net81-66-123.noos.fr) 00.23.02 # jhMikeS: you seem to think most of the playback bugs are due to concurrency issues, is there a way I could make them appear more often? 00.23.35 # crzyboyster: the main problem I see is that you can break a theme by removing another one. 00.23.40 # I don't know whether the 30G displays the same issues as the 60/80G 00.24.25 # amiconn: still not able to compile the plugin but installing test build now. 00.24.33 # * gevaerts suggests adopting the .deb format for themes, so we can handle dependencies 00.24.35 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 00.25.02 # gevaerts: I see. Another thing that might be nice would be that if you could decide which wps folder each specific bitmap points to (exact path /wps folder/bitmap.bmp) 00.25.10 Quit mirak (SendQ exceeded) 00.25.41 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.25.42 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 00.26.08 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m179.net81-66-123.noos.fr) 00.26.25 # Nico_P: well, you could take out the mutex_enable_preempt line. frankly I'm about this close >< to just rewriting playback.c. threading has to be proven correct logically since what fine now can 1) a bug is too rare to detect with testing 2) a change in order can make a race condition that never happened into one that almost always happens 00.26.33 # "The USB host controllers have their own specifications. With USB 1.1, there were two Host Controller Interface 00.26.33 # Specifications, UHCI (Universal Host Controller Interface) developed by Intel which puts more of the burden on 00.26.34 # software (Microsoft) and allowing for cheaper hardware and the OHCI (Open Host Controller Interface) 00.26.34 DBUG Enqueued KICK phinze 00.26.34 # developed by Compaq, Microsoft and National Semiconductor which places more of the burden on 00.26.34 # hardware(Intel) and makes for simpler software. Typical hardware / software engineer relationship. . ." 00.26.50 # lol 00.27.16 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 00.27.16 # * phinze apologizes for the line breaks 00.27.46 # jhMikeS: yeah I totally agree... I've been wishing to have time to rewrite it for a while now 00.28.02 # and wishing I had the skill too ;) 00.28.03 # DerPapst: Really strange; test_scanrate compiles fine for all my non-colour bitmap targets... 00.28.45 # jhMikeS: If you decide to start doing it I'd love to discuss it and maybe try to help 00.29.11 # * gevaerts is going to sleep 00.29.11 # Nico_P: There's no coordination of streams like with mpegplayer and as such I feel like playback of a single stream should be rather straightforward to code. 00.29.31 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC") 00.29.50 # indeed 00.29.52 # I can barely follow the *why* of much of what is done currently 00.29.55 Join artifex [0] (n=530b6f57@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-547ee0378b923a35) 00.30.02 # amiconn: as far as i can see it works fine. using contrast of 56 now 00.30.06 # night gevaerts 00.30.19 # amiconn: investigating the test_scanrate.c issue now. 00.30.21 Quit kraizee (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.30.38 # jhMikeS: So far I've grown to accept it and try to fix it for lack of time to rethink it 00.30.41 # DerPapst: Hmm, 56? Quite a bit higher than what I need on 1st/2nd Gen... 00.30.47 Quit gevaerts ("goodnight all") 00.31.11 # hi all 00.31.14 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 00.31.22 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.31.58 # jhMikeS: do you have some kind of design in mind? I guess something quite similar to mpegplayer? 00.31.59 # What did you use before? 00.32.22 # Nico_P: it's one of those things I have to get ready to take the changes as far through the system as gets revealed...I don't doubt it's a month or two worth of careful checking 00.32.30 # 46 iirc 00.32.51 # Interesting... 00.33.00 # amiconn: and this ipod has some kind of problem with a too high default contrast :-) 00.33.37 # Could you try changing CONTRAST_REG_H as a test (lcd-gray.c line 65) 00.33.41 # amiconn: in the of i have to keep it at it's minimum. if i increase it above 50% the LCD goes blank. 00.33.43 # Nico_P: I'm sure I'd pull ideas from it if they're suitable but the buffer works much differently there (has random access and streaming operation) 00.33.59 # You could try (in order of increasing contrast) 0x500, 0x600 and 0x700 00.34.09 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=82c20d68@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.34.10 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 00.34.16 # do you think the current buffering code is going to need much work to be made thread safe? 00.34.57 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 00.35.22 Quit artifex ("CGI:IRC") 00.35.37 Quit XavierGr () 00.35.52 # Can't tell how much right now but a handle usage protocol must be clearly defined. It's likely possible to not use mutexes at all and to use a concurrent linked list implementation. 00.36.58 # amiconn: not a big problem for this 3G but for the other it would. the contrast of my other 3G is that low i have to increase the contast to the max in the OF inorder to see anything -.- 00.37.04 # would there be a significant gin in doing that? 00.37.10 # but i can try of course 00.37.12 # s/gin/gain 00.37.24 Quit knittl (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.39.09 Join hotgrrl013 [0] (n=kakazza@213.47.43.77) 00.39.11 # Nico_P: if all threads can pass almost uncontended then yes esp. if two cores use it 00.39.14 Join dionoea [0] (n=dionoea@yop.chewa.net) 00.39.37 # makes sense 00.40.00 Quit dionoea_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.40.01 # also, I'm curious as to how you debug/check such code? 00.40.54 Quit phinze () 00.42.14 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.44.34 # Nico_P: stare at it or diagram it logically and make sure it's correct. that's basically it for threading. 00.45.51 Quit shotofadds ("Leaving") 00.46.02 Quit n1s () 00.47.36 # hmm... I wonder if it would be worth trying a model checker :) 00.48.11 # * Nico_P has been learning TLA at school and is looking for a practical use 00.48.54 # What's TLA? 00.48.59 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 00.49.03 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_Logic_of_Actions 00.49.24 # basically you specifiy your system and it checks all possible cases 00.49.54 Quit ender` (" Variables won't. Constants aren't.") 00.50.59 # * jhMikeS tends to imagine code being executed concurrently by multiple processes and juggles the order of arival/delays around to be sure each step result in the desired outcome(s). 00.51.10 Quit kakazza (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.51.20 Nick hotgrrl013 is now known as kakazza (n=kakazza@213.47.43.77) 00.52.01 # jhMikeS: does that work the same with cooperative threading as it does with preeptive? 00.52.20 # or do you just think preemptively, knowing it will apply in coop? 00.52.44 # meh, that's basically twice the same question 00.53.10 # jhMikeS: Thanks, that's a helpful mental image. 00.53.22 Join dionoea_ [0] (n=dionoea@yop.chewa.net) 00.53.59 Quit Chronon ("Off to install Linux on my home PC.") 00.54.21 Quit dionoea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.55.41 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 00.57.31 Join DarkSaboteur [0] (n=3d588399@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-34b79c88fc9d16a0) 00.57.58 Quit waldo ("Konversation terminated!") 01.05.04 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 01.05.12 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23E925.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.05.12 # Nico_P: I tend to think utterly parallel since code that survives that survies the others. Each is just a variable degree of the same thing. 01.06.14 # right.... I really need to train into that way of thinking 01.07.11 # * jhMikeS has to go fetch his gf, bbl 01.07.21 # jhMikeS: do you have any possible weak spots of the current playback engine in mind? I should have a little more free time soon(ish) so I'd like to make quick fixes 01.07.27 # I'll read the logs ;) 01.09.31 Join Rincewind [0] (i=SRGw9cjC@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 01.10.29 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@67-194-50-138.wireless.umnet.umich.edu) 01.15.55 # that zajacattack in the forum makes me angry... 01.16.09 # you are not alone 01.16.30 # ban him.. as april fools joke :-) 01.16.42 # hehe :) 01.17.04 # that means one day off for you. and maybe he learned his lesson :-P 01.17.34 # somehow I like the idea... 01.17.45 # or one could accidently forget to unban him ]:-> 01.17.49 # That's cruel - just banning him for one day... 01.17.50 # it wouldnt be the first time he was banned 01.18.18 Quit midgey () 01.18.22 Quit Rincewind ("bye") 01.18.57 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 01.24.29 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 01.27.34 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 01.29.35 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FIVE-FOURTY-TWO.MIT.EDU) 01.31.30 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.33.31 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.37.02 Quit renkho ("Lost terminal") 01.41.30 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.42.17 Join ukl [0] (n=stephan@92.226.221.15) 01.43.00 # Hmm... this might not be the perfect place to ask, but it's the best one I could imagine. Has anybody here got a Samsung YP-U3*? 01.43.15 # ukl: is this related to rockbox? 01.43.28 # Unfortunately not. 01.43.38 Quit JordanG ("Leaving") 01.43.42 # But I'd appreciate a gentle push into the right channel :) 01.43.50 # scorche|sh: well, one is a DAP and the other is a firmware for DAPs, so I would say it's related 01.44.48 # ukl: what is the question about? If it's Samsung specific maybe you can find a forum. 01.44.54 # markun: unfortunately my question only refered to the sound quality, not any firmware issues (as I doubt this little thing meets some kind of minimum requirements for being able to run rockbox) 01.45.05 # anythingbutipod.com probably has a samsung section in their forums 01.45.15 # ukl: "Imagine Colors in your music" ;) 01.45.19 # I just hoped to find someone to tell me if the background noise of it is really that bad, maybe comparred to other players... 01.45.45 # linuxstb_: no synestesia here... ;) (where does this line you quoted come from?) 01.45.52 # http://www.samsung.com/my/products/audio/mp3player/yp_u3zb.asp 01.46.09 # linuxstb_: as you can see, btw, I'm still looking for an mp3/ogg player... trying to lower my standards according to my wallet 01.46.23 # meizu M6SL? 01.46.28 # :) 01.46.40 # Still 193 C240s in stock at bigpockets... 01.47.26 Quit kakazza () 01.47.59 # I really liked this samsung yp-u1 I used for a while some days ago...but background noise... 01.48.05 # linuxstb_: I'm liking mine btw... pity it's only 1G because it's a nice change from bulky HD players 01.48.30 # Nico_P: I'm waiting for the button map to become sane... But yes, it's a nice little player. 01.49.07 # linuxstb_: do you know how to confirm in the vkeyboard? 01.49.43 # you can use volume up or down, I recommend - the manual and FS#8824 01.49.47 # No idea. I struggle with that on most targets... 01.49.52 # * linuxstb_ should rtfm 01.49.57 # same here 01.50.07 # or believe me :P 01.50.27 # pixelma: oh I hadn't seen your answer. thanks 01.50.44 # ukl, AnythingButiPod.com might be the best place to look like markun said 01.51.04 # * pixelma still wonders about the verrry verbose debug output when playing WMAs in a "normal" sim 01.51.25 Part toffe82 01.51.28 # Thank you... it's incredible how much time I can spend on not-being-able-to-decide. 01.51.53 # the keyboard really needs an overhaul IMHO 01.52.41 # ukl: Just be sure it's rockboxable ;) 01.53.05 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 01.53.06 # yes, but that's kind of a step up the €-ladder 01.53.23 # linuxstb_: do you perhaps have an opinion on whether it's worth renaming iCatcher.128x96x1.wps to iCatcher.128.96x2.wps? Would make sense in combination with the display specs but only monochrome graphics are used currently 01.55.22 # pixelma: Does it get installed correctly? I assume it's the iaudio rwps? 01.56.34 # yes, Iaudio remote wps and it gets installed correctly (X5 sim) but haven't checked the M3 yet... 01.57.10 # Ah no, looking at wpsbuild.pl, it seems to try all depths until it finds a matching one. 01.57.20 # (starting at the highest the LCD supports) 01.57.51 # So no, I think it probably makes sense to keep it as x1, just in case we get a 128x96x1 target... 01.58.42 # hmm, ok. I have all the mono versions ready then 02.00.50 # linuxstb_: btw. imagemagick's montage tool is really nice for the work :) 02.00.58 # I know ;) 02.01.25 # that was my way of saying "thank you for the hint" ;) 02.01.54 # Happy to help - it's tedious work at best. 02.03.34 # yes, especially the long sublines for the animation in iCatcher 02.05.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.05.50 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3fcb2aa359799633) 02.06.53 Quit ali_as ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz") 02.08.27 Join saratoga22 [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ed1214deb3bc2e73) 02.08.33 Quit saratoga22 (Client Quit) 02.08.36 Join saratoga22 [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-00c5ae7d70791438) 02.08.45 Quit saratoga22 (Client Quit) 02.08.50 Join saratoga3 [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-efc7a7ad25de0b51) 02.09.25 # are any of the Telechips targets nearing maturity? 02.10.03 # The D2 port is progressing well, my logikdax is sleeping... 02.10.05 # I noticed that the 78XX and higher chips would also be good canidates for mpegplayer upgrades 02.10.07 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.10.08 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 02.10.15 # since they're almost Gigabeat S level of CPU power 02.10.50 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.11.58 # can the D2 play audio yet? 02.12.02 # saratoga: did you leave something enabled in some wma related files which shouldn't be enabled for some everyday sim user? The output is huge compared to playing other codecs 02.12.49 # pixelma: theres some debugf output, but i don't see much reason to remove it 02.13.01 # i assume if you're looking at the wma codec under the sim you're probably trying to fix it 02.13.06 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 02.13.12 # Or testing a WPS... 02.13.19 # I just play it to "debug" iCatcher 02.13.19 # with wma files? 02.13.36 # people here actually use those? 02.13.40 # (because it had no wma icon so far) 02.13.47 Join phinze [0] (n=phinze@pcp027324pcs.jesres.mu.edu) 02.13.54 # IMO debugfs should be removed, or at least disabled by default. 02.13.56 # i can remove them if they're really annoying people 02.14.15 # (I'm probably guilty of leaving some in the asf code) 02.14.30 # I wouldn't have anything against some 02.14.31 # i suppose the seeking ones can probably go now that seeking seems stable 02.14.35 # ah 02.14.35 Quit ol_schoola () 02.14.36 # linuxstb_: So when you say it's going well (the D2 port), is there a progress map on the wiki perchance? 02.15.01 # Thundercloud_: I've no idea. shotofadds (the person working on the port) posts to the forum thread frequently though. 02.15.23 # Ah okay 02.15.28 # *checks* 02.15.41 # Also, what kind of programming skills do you really need to get involved with rockbox? 02.15.47 # And I see commits to SVN quite often... 02.16.04 # the D2 has a really interesting CPU 02.16.15 # but it's *a lot*. It's constantly scrolling and after a few seconds of playing the backlog is full and I can't see what the WPS parser told me ;) 02.17.32 # and its actually documented 02.17.32 # Thundercloud_: Just C programming - the level of skill depends on how deeply you want to dig into Rockbox. 02.17.32 # linuxstb_: Ah I see 02.17.32 # I just completed a course on embedded systems 02.17.32 # Thundercloud_: Using C? 02.17.32 # linuxstb_: PIC ASM and C 02.17.51 # you'll do fine 02.18.03 # Cool 02.18.09 # I've got a D2 myself so I can possibly help out a bit 02.18.11 # * linuxstb_ notices the SoC deadline go by and wonder if applications are closed 02.18.17 # If I have time that is :P 02.19.13 # linuxstb_: It was extended. 02.19.13 # My exams'll be over by like May 12th so you never know. 02.19.13 # they extended it a week 02.19.13 # * pixelma points linuxstb_ to the mailing list 02.19.13 # Yeah, 7th April now 02.19.13 # too slow 02.19.13 # how many are there already? 02.19.13 # gsoc apps i mean 02.19.13 # Good, so still time for rockbox-as-app-app 02.19.13 # linuxstb_: ? 02.19.25 # A "rockbox as application" application 02.19.36 # everyone around here has an iphone as it is 02.19.43 # i'm wondering if i should point my school's mailing list at GSOC + rockbox and see if we can't get a few more CS or CE students to apply 02.19.57 # linuxstb_: So that would be what? A version of rockbox for an x86 platform? 02.20.15 # also, its getting really annoying how the webclient somehow manages to reverse the order of posts if they're sent close enough 02.20.17 # Thundercloud_: more for mobile phones 02.20.21 # Maybe, or maybe for portable devices - e.g. a Symbian port. 02.20.23 # DerPapst: Ah I like this 02.20.26 # and pdas 02.20.30 # linuxstb_: Symbian? Aw poo :P 02.20.45 # Well to be fair a J2ME port is probably out of the question correct? :P 02.20.56 # Thundercloud_: Many devices use it, and it's possible (afaik) to use gcc 02.21.21 # iphone is probably the most attractive port imo, since theres so much 3rd party development and hacking already done 02.21.22 # linuxstb_: The unfortunate thing is, mine doesn't :P 02.21.37 # DerPapst: there are 15 eligible applications 02.21.48 # Nico_P: "eligible" ? 02.21.58 # saratoga3: iirc if you use the official iPhod SDK you cannot access the filesystem directly. 02.22.14 # linuxstb_: well, 'not yet marked ineligible' :) 02.22.22 # hehe 02.22.29 # we don't want or need the official sdk 02.22.55 # saratoga3: true.... 02.23.13 # i just thought i'll throw it in here ;-) 02.23.15 # the jailbreak might be useful though 02.23.34 # any really good new apps too? 02.23.38 # yes that will be necessary to defeat code signing 02.23.45 # or whatever it is apple uses 02.23.55 # but all that work is done, and the arm tool chain is already available 02.24.13 # linuxstb_: did you see my complaint-wondering-question hours ago? 02.24.36 # pixelma: No, what time? 02.25.27 # haha the D2's LCD controller can take pixel's in YUV format 02.25.43 # Yes, that's quite common for these PMPs 02.26.09 # I think the DM320's LCD controller is similar 02.26.12 # saratoga3: apparently it's now possible to run homebrew 02.26.23 # given they release the pwnage though 02.26.24 # linuxstb_: around 17:30 in now yesterday's logs 02.26.36 # Nico_P: its been possible for ages 02.26.45 # really? 02.26.47 # the new hack just lets you replace the entire OS 02.27.10 # what would you understand as sound being "dynamic"? (I don't understand this review...) 02.27.10 # pixelma: Ah yes, kugel reported the same issue... 02.27.11 # basically lets you flash your own OS instead of just running apps in the OS 02.27.14 # saratoga3: yeah, that's what I meant. I was thinking of a regular rockbox port, not rockbox as an app 02.27.29 # i think that would be a bad idea 02.27.30 # pixelma: It's on my to-do list (which I'm just writing...) 02.27.40 # saratoga3: really? why? 02.27.52 # apple has provided us with all their drivers 02.27.54 # linuxstb_: ok, just wanted to let you know (or know if I remembered wrong) 02.27.58 # not using them would be silly 02.28.11 # additionally, it would not be possible to support the phone part of the iphone 02.28.24 # The iPhone and iPod Touch are basically PDAs anyway. 02.28.35 # Not really the target of "Rockbox as a firwmare" in the first place. 02.28.39 # and speed wouldn't be an issue so a native rockbox isn't needed either 02.28.55 # and for what advantage? we gain nothing by trying to reverse engineer hardware that already has what is effectively a wide open unix based OS 02.29.23 # good point 02.29.46 Quit Thundercloud (No route to host) 02.30.28 # honestly i hope rockbox eventually moves in that direction 02.30.47 # I hope we keep both directions open :) 02.30.55 # * Nico_P goes to bed 02.30.58 # reverse engineering hardware consumes a lot of developer time and in the future as portable devices become more advanced and more open it seems like this shouldn't be so necessary 02.31.22 # I hope you're right ;) 02.31.28 # not to mention the increasing complexity of SOCs makes it increasingly difficult 02.32.09 Quit Nico_P ("bed calls") 02.32.40 # i shudder to think how the PP work would have gone on had PP actually been competent to design something useful 02.32.45 # saratoga3: Then work on rockbox-as-app for Soc ;) 02.32.59 # not really my area 02.33.03 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=notroot@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 02.33.19 # i hated my OS class and don't really know much about unix development 02.33.30 # i like DSP and not much else about programming 02.33.55 # i don't think i'd be much use otherwise 02.34.57 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-61.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.36.29 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 02.36.36 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.42.31 Quit DarkSaboteur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.49.00 # saratoga3: On gigabeat you can already listen to music while playing Rockboy as long as the ROM fits in the plugin RAM 02.49.30 # yeah thats what i figured 02.50.14 # someone do that 02.50.14 # also the easiest GSOC in the world would be that Moto Cellphone port 02.50.23 # the codes already written, just have to get it commited 02.50.32 # The problem with Doom is DRAM, not IRAM 02.50.40 # argh stupid out of order webclient bug 02.50.46 # Hmm.... I wonder if limiting the range to those hardly larger than a pocket lighter made decisions easier... 02.51.18 # ukl: Please, this is an on-topic channel pertaining to Rockbox... 02.51.30 # Llorean: sorry. I'm stopping it. 02.51.59 # hmm on second thought maybe i should apply for merging that Moto port 02.52.08 # saratoga3: Regarding the Motorola phone port, it also needs some work to integrate it into the build system, doesn't it? 02.52.31 # if no one else steps up to do Rockbox as an app, I'll change my application 02.52.36 # Llorean: I have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me 02.52.44 # i think there'd still be a fair amount of work involved regardless 02.53.20 # At the very least, it'd be a great place to start "rockbox as an app", since "app" targets in the build system need to be definable, rather than just special cases of the sim. 02.53.35 # blackhawk didn't seem too intereseted in keeping his code compatable with rockbox 02.53.39 # its probably a real mess 02.53.55 # s/probably// 02.54.46 # he did eventually remove the album art patch for us I think 02.55.23 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("This computer has gone to sleep") 02.55.28 # has anyone applied for the rockbox as an app project? 02.55.46 # noone that gets whats the tas is has 02.56.06 # hmm 02.56.34 # There was Rockbox as a JAVA app, I believe... ;) 02.56.40 # if I write up an application and submit it could it be held in backup in case someone else wants a crack at it? 02.57.37 # saratoga3: It would be great if you wanted to do it, but be aware that it's likely to be all the things you don't like, such as modifying Rockbox's build system to allow a new category of targets, and probably abstracting the GUI code to enable Rockbox to interface with the host OS's GUI. 02.57.59 # yes I'll have to think carefully about that 02.58.22 # but I think the host already used SDL so thats probably not too bad 02.58.44 # IMO it should be more than just porting a sim to a new OS... 02.59.16 # ideally it would revolve around gettnig a framework in place for using rockbox as an app 02.59.32 # build system, cleaning up sim code, etc 03.06.24 # saratoga3: We still have another week, so yes, if you wanted you could prepare an app and wait until next Monday before submitting. 03.08.44 Join tanjahreeen [0] (n=4427f7d3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-68baa9ac39b76974) 03.09.58 Quit tvelocity_ (Remote closed the connection) 03.10.38 # Hi guys, I am currently having a probelm with my sansa that already has rockbox on it. After I have fully charged it, it resets and boots the rockbox firmware. But rockbox displays the battery level at 65%. Is this a glitch currently being worked on by rockbox? or am I doing something wrong? 03.11.26 # Bye the way, it has the latest build 03.13.38 Quit tanjahreeen (Client Quit) 03.23.01 Part ukl 03.26.08 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.26.23 Join TD-Linux [0] (n=wheeeeee@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux) 03.26.44 # hello, I am having difficulty finding the voice files on rockbox's download page 03.27.08 # I was able to find the fonts 03.28.36 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.28.41 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@67-194-50-138.wireless.umnet.umich.edu) 03.29.13 # hmm... yes, the links have currently vanished 03.30.19 Quit oofus (Remote closed the connection) 03.30.36 # I kinda need the voice files 03.30.43 # my ipod is, err, currently lacking a screen 03.31.16 # I hope to find someone who can fix this in a few hours but at this time of day it's calm here... :\ 03.32.32 # pixelma: out of curiousity, which post of zacablahblah's were you looking at when you commented? 03.32.35 # is there an alternate download link? 03.33.09 Quit Pio (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.34.35 # TD-Linux: unfortunately I could only find one with too old voice files which won't be of any help 03.36.04 # scorche: I looked at the 10 most recent posts and it had the first reply to Febs in it and the following "the moderators" blablah... but I should really get some sleep 03.36.15 Quit midgey () 03.36.22 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 03.36.36 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23F0F4.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.36.52 # ah 03.36.57 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 03.37.17 # TD-Linux: Which ipod? 03.38.53 # nano 1g 03.39.29 # http://www.rockbox.org/voices/ipodnano-20080331-english.voice 03.39.29 Join Bagder_ [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 03.39.33 # aha found them 03.39.38 # browsing download.rockbox.org 03.40.07 # The ones dated 2006-12-23? 03.40.37 # I seem to have a problem loading themes, when they load they're often using the wrong font or iconset. 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Is there something I'm not doing right here? 03.40.37 Join phenobitch [0] (i=juma@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 03.40.54 # yeah two years old :/ 03.41.07 # are they in SVN somewhere? 03.41.10 # OH 03.41.14 # thanks for the link! 03.41.17 # I missed it 03.41.21 Part pixelma 03.41.22 # Thank google's cache... 03.41.41 # * linuxstb sleeps 03.41.45 Quit linuxstb (Client Quit) 03.42.43 # okay now 03.42.45 # moment of truth 03.43.21 # how long till I hear something? 03.44.07 # is there something special for 'blind users' ? 03.45.24 Join Pio [0] (n=sean@64.251.10.106) 03.46.35 Join renkho [0] (n=renkho@exoduz.net) 03.46.53 # hello all 03.47.36 # im in the process of rockbox my iriver h320 :) 03.47.43 Quit argumentD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.48.07 # but something that i dont have it clear yet, is which files should be on the root of the iriver 03.48.28 # is actually only: H300.hex 03.48.31 # and some folders 03.48.47 # the version of the firmware is 1.29E 03.49.21 # so i just patched the file: h300.hex with the fwpatcher 03.49.44 # what now? i need to replace the H300.hex of my iriver with the patched one? 03.49.52 # what more should i copy? 03.50.01 # i extracted the rockbox distribution 03.50.07 # bootloader-h300.bin <-? 03.52.32 # renkho: Are you following the directions in the manual? 03.52.44 # hmm I don't think rockbox is booting 03.52.49 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98213942@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4cf0e9a968b2ad0a) 03.52.53 # how do I tell if it is apple firmware or not? 03.52.56 Join _Bagder_ [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 03.53.09 # Llorean: yeah im trying 03.53.42 # also how long does it take rockbox to load? 03.54.02 # renkho: Specifically, what step in which instructions are you at? 03.54.09 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.54.19 # TD-Linux: A few seconds. But if your screen is broken, it's basically impossible to know what's going wrong. 03.54.26 # :/ 03.54.30 # i just patched the firmware (1.29E) 03.54.32 # lsusb says apple computer, inc 03.54.40 # with the fwpatcher 03.55.00 # and extracted the rockbox distribution into the iriver 03.55.11 # so i see a folder called: .rockbox 03.55.18 # into the h300 drive 03.55.36 # still the original h300.hex on it 03.55.52 # that i had to downgrade because in the first place i had installed the 1.31K 03.56.39 # renkho: The manual has numbered steps... which is the first step you have not completed? 03.56.56 Quit Bagder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.56.59 # TD-Linux: When you connect by USB it's always going to be in the apple firmware, because we don't have a USB mode and reboot into it. 03.57.08 # :/ 03.57.19 # okay 03.57.23 # so I disconnect ipod 03.57.28 # Llorean: im in the 5th step of manual installation 03.57.33 # hold down menu + select for a while, nothing happens ... 03.57.48 # renkho: Now, what exactly are you asking? 03.58.13 # TD-Linux: It will be very hard to tell if anything happens, since your screen is already off/broken. 03.58.19 # i got a file looking around: bootloader-h300.bin 03.58.22 # hmm these headphones do work 03.58.23 # TD-Linux: if you put headphones on, though, you might hear a pop. 03.58.23 # do i need that one? 03.58.28 # they sound terrible though o.O 03.58.32 # yeah I do hear a pop 03.58.37 # renkho: The manual doesn't say you need it. 03.58.45 # TD-Linux: That's when the iPod reboots. 03.58.55 # okay let me listen again 03.59.08 Join Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 03.59.16 # there's a pop when I plug it in :P 03.59.21 # so at least I have power 03.59.34 # maybe it needs to charge more ? 03.59.42 # the pop should indicate power tho 03.59.54 # does the voice say WELCOME TO ROCKBOX! or something? 04.00.02 # Llorean: sorry i was a bit confused when i opened this link: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/ 04.00.13 # TD-Linux: No. 04.00.25 # what's the first way I can get sound? 04.00.33 # pushing random keys? 04.00.35 # renkho: But the manual does not tell you to download this file. 04.00.48 # TD-Linux: If voice is working, scrolling up or down should move you in the list, and it should read entries. 04.00.52 Quit phenobitch (Remote closed the connection) 04.00.57 # op nope it isn't 04.01.01 # I bet I'm in apple firmware or something 04.01.09 # * TD-Linux is going to retry the flasher 04.01.43 Join phenobitch [0] (i=juma@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 04.01.46 # actually I'll try the gui this time 04.02.14 # Llorean: ok, so im ready for copy the patched .hex file into the iriver and reboot it 04.02.45 # how much time does it usually take the upgrade? 04.03.49 # renkho: Pretty quick. 04.04.05 # ok 04.04.34 # arg now I can't make it mount 04.05.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.05.57 # ooh yeah:D 04.06.01 # it worked :D 04.07.00 # recoginizes and make scsi device 04.07.12 # but 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Sorry, but it needs to be done. | We feel that Rockbox is becoming known more as a gaming platform, so we have decided to start phasing out audio capabilities. Here's hoping for a better, mor " by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.17.50 # argh 09.18.16 Topic "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Now announcing our joint venture with zune-linux to add the Zune devices to our target list! | Prepare for a bumpy road as we transition from a linux base to our own custom kernel. | We feel that Rockbox is becoming known more as a gaming platform, so we have decided to start phasing out audio capabilities. 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I'm sure we can tweak this a lot more once he gets back for real 09.28.25 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 09.28.52 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 09.29.35 # two new builds added to the table 09.30.00 # * jhMikeS reads "How Coupon Cactus Works..." and immediately spots a contradiction 09.30.39 # B4gder: how did contact with these folk get established? 09.31.41 # the guys that buy this spot from us sell it to the link owners, they contacted zagor and offered money for adding text links 09.32.17 # I mean, the coupon guys have not contacted us 09.32.23 # so when do we add popups? :P 09.32.33 Join testtesttest [0] (n=c2243601@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1bd45f0e34b89bb6) 09.32.36 # it's all about the money 09.32.52 # and lots of money for tiny text links is good value for us, imho 09.32.53 # B4gder: and the devcon tickets/beer we can purchase with it! ;) 09.33.00 # yes indeed 09.33.11 # * jhMikeS has never lifted a finger for any other reason *big chuckles* 09.33.40 # about devcon.... a date? 09.34.12 # petur: Bringing one? 09.34.15 # 500USD is well worth getting for that tiny text link imo....although with the current dollar trends... 09.34.17 # Sounds like a plan. 09.34.31 Quit EspeonEefi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.34.37 # scorche: there will be more links there too soon as well, as I believe they pay for up to ten links 09.34.52 # * petur hits Mouser_X with an empty beer bottle 09.35.00 # so 5000USD per month? 09.35.01 # lol 09.35.19 # the 500 is for that "box" place, which may contain 10 links 09.35.31 # ah....rats :) 09.36.20 # petur: If you did, you'd have me beat (at least you'd have someone to bring). 09.36.22 # :P 09.36.53 Quit testtesttest (Client Quit) 09.36.58 # * Mouser_X will say no more, and attempt to be on-topic now. 09.37.32 # petur can bring his "new date" for next year's family version of devcon ;-) 09.37.55 # * petur throws more bottles 09.38.37 # lol 09.40.41 # I'd love a devcon date too 09.40.55 # I'd like a date of any kind... 09.40.59 # Sorry. 09.41.05 # ack....i was going to send a mail off tonight too =/ 09.41.11 # B4gder: maybe we can go together ;) 09.41.21 # yay! 09.46.03 # Hmm, according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PortalPlayerUsb I should have an EXTRA_DEFINES line in Makefile.... 09.46.14 # "..change the EXTRA_DEFINES line to say..." 09.46.26 # Is this wrong, I see no EXTRA_DEFINES line 09.46.51 # unless it's been removed recently, then no 09.46.54 # export EXTRA_DEFINES bla bla in the root Makefile? 09.46.59 # pondlife: you can also add the define to the config header file 09.47.13 # Hmm, Niotepad++ went crazy and picked up another Makefile :) 09.47.18 # config-.h 09.48.19 # hey we need a commit! 09.49.29 # That's one wide table :) 09.50.37 # indeed 09.51.04 # Did we consider putting the sims and bootloaders in separate tables? 09.51.14 # hmmm 42? 09.51.31 # How many beers must a man gulp down? 09.52.11 # nah... think quality, not quantity 09.52.26 # s/think/drink 09.53.45 # thrink 09.54.44 # * scorche wonders why petur is starting this early 09.54.59 # jhMikeS: Hey, you Gigabeast guys still using confusing mtp transfers? I haven't heard much talk recently, but I remember someone had a link a few days ago to "much improve MTP support" in the latest Ubuntu alpha, which looked like you could natively browse MTP devices rather easily. 09.55.30 # Llorean: that's probably mtpfs 09.55.48 # Any good? 09.55.58 # not really 09.56.01 # never tried it... mtp-sendifle works fine for me 09.56.05 Join krz [0] (n=irc_by@turbo.sml.by) 09.56.09 # it still suffers the same problem with the device not resetting 09.56.12 # not causing me any trouble either 09.56.20 # i.e. you get one transfer, and then have to replug 09.56.21 # Alright 09.56.24 # we just send the tar over and the bootloader untars it 09.57.24 # but it leaves it in the filename database anyway 09.59.51 # Well, for iTunes stuff (from #rb-community), I don't have any idea how the idea is being proposed. 09.59.59 # But I don't see why it has to be part of the core. 10.00.10 # As in, being able to import stuff is fine. 10.00.28 # Because if it were a plugin, it wouldn't be able to keep the iTunes database in sync with the Rockbox one. 10.00.28 # Create an external app/plugin/whatever, that can interact with the Rockbox DB. 10.00.37 # You'd have to manually invoke it. 10.01.02 # Nico_P: in the EVENT_HANDLE_REBUFFER processing you're using queue_send. is there any chance that queue_send to the audio queue will be used? if it does that without a reply first, it will deadlock. 10.01.18 # Llorean: yes, but is having it done automatically for those who do use iTunes and rockbox worth it being in the core? 10.01.26 # Oh, you mean for the iTunes DB that's currently on the iPod... I see. 10.01.57 # and where do we stop when people ask for other similar things? 10.01.58 # Mouser_X: Yes. You listen to songs, and it keeps the local iTunes DB playcount updated, which then causes the PC-side one to be in sync when they sync. 10.02.09 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-02068.home.otenet.gr) 10.02.37 # "well, iTunes 'stuff' gets to be in the core...why cant be in there too?" 10.02.45 # scorche: "iTunes" is more or less a software extension of the "iPod" experience. It's nearly integral with the hardware. Just because we cut the tie from it doesn't necessarily mean we should enforce an inability to effectively use the software. 10.02.52 # I barely use the Winamp ML, and everytime I've used the Rockbox DB, I've not liked it. 10.02.59 # It can be explained as "finishing support for the iPod' 10.03.08 # So, I can see uses for it, but I don't use it much. 10.03.26 # My main worry is maintainability - we only have one developer interested in Rockbox's native database, and I can't see anyone wanting to maintain itunes db support if the student disappears after the summer. 10.04.34 # hopefully the student sticks, and the work is made separate enough to not hinder us if it stays untouched after the summer 10.04.36 # linuxstb_: As far as I see, "support" for the iTunes database should be a system that imports all data from it into our DB when changed, and exports bits back to it. So we don't really interact with it beyond that, and there's little to maintain unless the format changes. 10.04.52 # I'm all for an external app that can interact with the Rockbox DB, but (iPods excluded), I don't think it needs to be in the core. 10.05.09 # B4gder: Well hopefully it'd be in #ifdefs too. 10.05.14 # Llorean: What if Rockbox's core changes - e.g. the way track change events are handled for example? There are two things interacting... 10.05.16 # that too, yes 10.05.48 # linuxstb_: That would, though, be recorded in the Rockbox database. The export could get its data from that, rather than from the actual playback system, couldn't it? 10.06.09 # The way I see it, iTunesDB <--> Rockbox DB <--> Playback 10.06.12 # i dont know...i suppose i am just of the opinion that we should not be coddling proprietary systems in the core unless there is a very good reason (which i dont see this being as a manual plugin or program would work fine) 10.07.04 # Llorean: That could be iTunesDB <--> file tags <--> Rockbox DB .... ? 10.07.10 # * jhMikeS just had a soft deadlock when letting an album play to the end and so wonders if that's what just occurred 10.07.43 # pondlife: The iTunesDB isn't necessarily based on file tags, and I think the data the Rockbox DB gets from it should be the data it can't already get from Tags (don't take artist, album, etc from it at all) 10.08.00 # Mostly playcounts, ratings, and custom playlist stuff. 10.08.25 # * scorche heads to sleep and resigns to reading logs tomorrow 10.08.41 # I'd like playcounts/ratings to be put back into tags, personally - no idea if that's possible though... 10.08.52 Nick dionoea_ is now known as dionoea (n=dionoea@yop.chewa.net) 10.09.01 # I like the per-track info to be stored with the track 10.09.24 # pondlife: In regards to iTunes though, they relate to two different files (the one in the library on the PC, and the one on the player) 10.09.35 # At least, as far as I know. 10.09.54 # Urgh, that's not nice 10.10.05 # Sorry, never used iTunes 10.10.28 # I was more thinking that you're only lacking the bridge between iTunes and file tags 10.10.46 # plus iTunes and playlists 10.11.35 Quit J ("leaving") 10.11.50 # The way I see it, at least, is for the data we can't extract from file tags. 10.12.12 # And for writing back the data they expect to be present on the host when things are done. 10.12.28 # Would EXTM3U be any help? 10.13.14 # Don't think so. 10.13.39 # Are there standards to store ratings/playcounts in tags? 10.14.01 # Whether they are or aren't, it wouldn't solve the problem with keeping the iTunes database up to date. 10.14.18 Join J [0] (n=john@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust297.nott.cable.ntl.com) 10.14.22 # scorche: Well, assuming software USB, one possibility would be to run the update, as a plugin, before USB connection if the feature's enabled, I'd imagine. 10.14.23 # IT would if there were a db <--> tags application 10.14.53 # pondlife: An iTunesDB <--> tags? If such an application existed, it wouldn't need to be part of Rockbox at all. 10.15.00 # Exactly 10.15.11 # As in, it would be irrelevant to this discussion... 10.15.13 Join ze0 [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 10.15.26 # Hence no need to put proprietary stuff into Rockbox 10.15.30 # Which is good, no? 10.16.02 # Hmm, on another topic, anyone here tried our USB storage on a C200 recently? 10.16.08 # I can't see how it would keep the on-player database up to date when syncing with iTunes... 10.16.23 # gevaert's meizu arrived! 10.16.37 # yay 10.16.46 # * B4gder wants linux based DFU 10.16.49 Quit ze (Nick collision from services.) 10.16.49 Nick ze0 is now known as ze (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 10.17.01 # Llorean: I like the plugin idea that updates on USB connect/detection. 10.17.05 # they must've done away with the auto-ghosting for some reason :/ 10.17.45 # B4gder: gevaerts told me he could take a look at the USB traffic going on so we can modify the DFU util from OpenMoko 10.17.53 # Mouser_X: I just don't see it as being worth doing if it requires the user to invoke it, or otherwise manually cause updates, because if that's the case it's no longer a Rockbox project, and should simply be a PC app. 10.18.00 # I'd love that 10.18.21 # And if it's to be automatic it either needs to be in the core, or there needs to be a mechanism in place to run the "update" plugin, such as that. 10.18.49 # B4gder: do you have your player already? 10.19.12 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.19.37 # no, it wasn't in stock where I ordered it so I don't know when I'll get it 10.19.46 # if it takes too long I'll order it from somewhere else 10.19.54 # jhMikeS: I'm not sure, don't you mean queue_send to the buffering queue? 10.19.57 # I guess it's not too late to a project along the lines of "create a library for PC-based applications to use to interface with the Rockbox database, and add sync-with-Rockbox-device support to 1 or more media players using this library". 10.20.06 # s/to a/to add a/ 10.20.25 # linuxstb_: We've still got a week for applicants. 10.20.27 # markun: I'll just enjoy seeing your progress in the mean time! ;-) 10.20.40 # B4gder: don't expect anything this week (exams) 10.20.54 # linuxstb_: You might want to also suggest it to Songbird or some similar app, so they can add it as an SoC idea from their side. :-P 10.20.56 # Nico_P: that both threads send synchronous messages to each other 10.23.08 # B4gder: could you look into the voice file link issue (missing in the "Daily builds and voices" pacge)? 10.23.27 # page too 10.23.31 # jhMikeS: yo might be onto something... there's a queue_send in what that audio_flush message will cause 10.23.50 # pixelma: working on it right now 10.23.50 # and the queue_reply only comes after everything has been done 10.24.04 # B4gder: nice, thanks :) 10.24.17 # I actually don't even see the queue_reply 10.25.28 # jhMikeS: in case you haven't seen it, the flush message causes audio_invalidate_tracks() > audio_fill_file_buffer() > audio_load_track > buf_request_buffer_handle > queue_send to the buffering queue 10.25.28 # Nico_P: via bufgetid3 in audio_check_new_track can call queue_send to the buffer thread (through one really long string of function calls) 10.25.41 # so there are two cases :/ 10.26.05 # actually the one I cited above seems more likely to happen to me 10.26.42 # jhMikeS: when is the queue_reply sent? 10.27.33 # if you haven't replied explicitely already, it's done automatically when waiting on the queue again 10.27.37 Quit framo ("moo") 10.27.52 # ok. I guess it should be dones right before calling audio_invalidate_tracks() 10.27.57 # does that need to be synchronous? 10.28.12 # I'm not even sure 10.28.37 # it can probably not be... 10.28.56 # * Nico_P needs to go 10.29.25 # I'll be back in an hour or so 10.37.24 # Hmm, I'm not having much luck with our USB 10.37.57 # or rather, our USB storage. WinXP slowly recognises it, but can't find a driver for "Generic volume" 10.38.16 # Any action in Device Manager is very very slow. 10.38.56 # Guess I need to wait until gevearts arrives? 10.41.34 # pondlife: already tried they keybeep? 10.41.41 # *the 10.41.43 # Yes 10.41.51 # I can repro, and might have a fix 10.42.23 # cool 10.53.19 Join MartinR [0] (n=5848c002@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-268766fc98812087) 10.55.12 Quit MartinR (Client Quit) 10.55.32 Join Martin_R [0] (n=5848c002@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f82dbfba5dac2c53) 10.55.47 # pixelma: The c200 really doesn't need keyclick anyway - the keypad (physically) clicks anyway. 10.56.58 # pixelma: voice links are restored! 10.57.15 # pondlife: yes, that's true. But I guess it's the same issue the Ipods have so if you could fix it there... 10.58.08 # B4gder: nice, there was someone asking here for it this night which reminded me... 11.00.18 Quit cool_walking__ (Remote closed the connection) 11.01.00 Quit Martin_R ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.05.59 Join Martin_R [0] (n=5848c002@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cf3275df8b191f82) 11.07.55 # and now the daily source seems to work too 11.08.08 # I broke it when I switched to 7zip 11.09.34 Join eric_j_lowe [0] (n=chatzill@66.183.78.28) 11.09.39 Nick eric_j_lowe is now known as homielowe (n=chatzill@66.183.78.28) 11.10.15 # Imho rockbox should not support the itunes db with any on-target code 11.11.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.11.22 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 11.11.28 Quit Martin_R ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.11.45 # B4gder: I think the idea was mentioned before but could the voice files also be provided in a zip (maybe named target-specific) in the correct file structure so that people could just unzip it to their player (like everywhere else) and don't have to do the renaming? 11.11.58 Join Martin_R [0] (n=5848c002@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b7cdddfcb02be00) 11.11.59 # yes... 11.12.25 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 11.12.33 # I'll work on it 11.12.48 # I'll try to remember to update the manual then... 11.13.14 # pondlife: regarding the slow Windows response, can you please try my latest Patch in FS#8562? 11.13.32 # Martin_R: Yes, it'll be a relief :) 11.13.48 Quit ch4os_ ("Lost terminal") 11.18.14 # the zip files actually get a bit smaller too 11.18.26 Quit Martin_R ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.18.44 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 11.21.59 Join Martin_R [0] (n=5848c002@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-05db501415bd1959) 11.22.59 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.23.19 # * Martin_R gets always disconnected by this web client... 11.24.26 Quit ColinT (Remote closed the connection) 11.24.26 # pixelma: ok, voices are now provided in zip files 11.24.39 Join ColinT [0] (n=realizat@69-11-97-130.regn.static.sasknet.sk.ca) 11.24.40 # Martin_R: Your patch helped a lot 11.24.47 # B4gder: that was quick :) 11.24.48 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 11.25.32 # yeah, I just fixed those other things so the scripts were more or less in my head already 11.25.41 # pondlife: To get high speed with Windows, you have to push in the USB plug slowly. Rockbox seems to need some time between connecting VBus and the data lines. 11.25.55 # I'm happy with full speed for now 11.26.02 # 1GB doesn't take long :) 11.27.27 # pondlife: Nice to hear. 11.28.30 # B4gder: I imagened the voice files being in .rockbox/langs dir but they are in a build-* directory. No problem but I'd like to know what to describe... 11.28.50 # ah right... 11.29.35 # you think having the full path makes it easier? 11.30.07 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.30.58 # I'm not sure, just my first thought that if they could just unzip to their player it would be nice (because they know the procedure). Maybe someone else has an opinion too 11.30.59 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 11.32.37 Quit Martin_R ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.32.59 # I guess that rbutil needs to be updated then too, once we have settled for a way 11.33.30 Join Martin_R [0] (n=5848c002@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-91e5f9282654bbd6) 11.33.42 # pixelma: I agree with you, all our zips should be consistent. 11.34.39 Quit Martin_R (Client Quit) 11.35.29 # ok, full path it is 11.35.33 # rebuilding the zips 11.44.51 # B4gder: Are you keeping both versions (.voice and .zip) on the server? 11.48.21 Join solrize_ [0] (n=phr@unaffiliated/solrize) 11.48.40 # if anyone cares i tested an a-data 8gb micro-sdhc card in a rockboxed sansa e260 today and it worked fine. 11.49.39 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m170.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.57.45 Join ali_as [0] (n=as@ambix.plus.com) 11.58.36 # * ali_as chuckles. 11.59.59 # linuxstb: no I'm switching to plain zips now but the old voices are still there 12.04.47 # I mean for their 30 days until removal 12.09.51 # B4gder: I was just thinking it could be useful to keep both until rbutil is updated (assuming rbutil installs the .voice files). 12.13.45 # I don't think it downloads voices 12.14.26 # hm it does... 12.16.03 # so ok, I'll build both until rbutil is updated 12.17.01 # does rbutil do the renaming? 12.17.28 # I aggree completely with amiconn on the iTunes db issue 12.17.36 # I just read the feature pages about it 12.17.42 # "# Install voice file (from the webpage)" 12.17.50 # I would guess so 12.19.00 # I'm off for now 12.19.02 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say moo") 12.21.15 Join disorganizer [0] (n=c2785409@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b1f63c6753c1443b) 12.23.38 Quit XavierGr () 12.27.13 Quit disorganizer ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 12.34.07 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 12.47.58 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@77-99-112-231.cable.ubr16.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 12.51.15 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 12.51.53 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.44) 12.52.25 # pixelma, GodEater: If you get a chance, could you try the patch I've put at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8836 ? 12.52.56 # The pcmbuf beep problem is very odd indeed, but I think the horrible noise is dead. 12.53.04 # I wish I knew why! 12.53.06 # pondlife: will have to wait till I get home of course.... 12.53.20 # Of course, no rush. This isn't production-quality stuff 12.53.32 # is it the key beeps ? 12.53.42 # he said, lazily not even checking the tracker entry 12.53.45 # Well, yes - but it's a more basic problem than that 12.54.00 # Some kind of memory caching thing in pcmbuf, I suspect 12.54.24 # I need some PortalPlayer guru to look into it really 13.01.07 Join PaulJam [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCDDC8.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.01.46 # * Nico_P is having trouble with the graphics API 13.02.32 # why doesn't rb->lcd_puts_style(x, y, string, STYLE_DEFAULT); display anything when rb->lcd_putsxy(x, y, string); did 13.04.44 # ah crap 13.05.59 # new question: can I display inverted text at a pixel xy position? 13.06.24 # well.. it should be obvious! 13.06.32 # STYLE_BLAA is not supposed to go there.. 13.06.37 # DRMODE_BLAA does 13.06.58 # got me good when I started playing with the viewport stuff in the lists :p 13.07.20 # JdGordon: I'm pretty sure the argument is STYLE_*, but I think lcd_puts_style takes char coordinates, not pixel cooredinates 13.08.24 # april fools? ... :'( 13.08.37 # i must have got them confused in the other direction then 13.08.51 # you can do what you want though... 13.10.07 # ... aparently not... 13.10.23 # even by using lcd_set_drawmode? 13.10.33 # setup a viwport at the x,y you want and use its drawmode? 13.10.35 # or that 13.10.44 # with lcd_pustyxy 13.11.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.11.29 # I'm not sure which drawmode is which though 13.12.15 # ah, I guess I want SOLID and SOLID|INVERSEVID 13.13.35 # victory \o/ 13.13.45 Quit cool_walking_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.13.57 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-191-99.access.telenet.be) 13.14.33 # remember to reset it after your done... 13.14.44 # yes :) 13.14.49 # or use a viewport which would be betterer 13.14.59 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCCD76.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.15.18 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 13.15.23 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=PaulJam_@p54BCCD76.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.19.39 Join ByeongKeon [0] (n=skysign@221.150.30.39) 13.20.01 # I don't think I need a viewport for what I'm doing 13.31.19 # jhMikeS: Please could you look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8836 some time...? 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14.20.16 # here 14.20.51 # LinusN: I've made a small proof of concept plugin for a virtual keyboard of sorts 14.21.01 # oh? 14.21.10 # you use the scrollwheel to select letters 14.21.52 # they are set in a circle, in such a way that the letter selected corresponds to where you press the wheel 14.22.49 # Nico_P: have you ever looked at http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ ? 14.23.03 # no.. looking 14.23.40 # Nico_P: what if someone with a 1st or 2nd gen Ipod would have answered your question? ;) 14.24.06 # pixelma: haha, I would've been screwed :) 14.24.16 # anyone want to try it and give me feedback? 14.24.33 # It won't work on 1st..3rd Gen, and also not on mini 1st Gen 14.24.50 # amiconn: because they have no touch wheel, is that it? 14.25.21 # No, because those can't read absolute wheel position 14.25.25 # oh 14.25.51 # Only 4th gen (greyscale & colour), Mini 2nd Gen, Nano and Video can 14.25.55 # Do we have a HAVE for that ability? 14.25.58 # I guess it can be adapted though... absolute is not really needed but it allows faster input 14.26.11 # I used HAVE_WHEEL_POSITION 14.26.15 # gevaerts: hello~ i'm ByeongKeon 14.27.23 # gevaerts: dasher looks nice :) 14.27.35 # ByeongKeon: hello. 14.27.41 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.27.43 # Nico_P: Needs a pointer though, no? 14.28.04 # pondlife: yes 14.28.05 # Maybe we could use their predictive text somehow.. 14.28.45 # * petur hates predictive text 14.28.55 # * pondlife too, but it was an idea 14.28.57 # Nico_P: I'm not sure if it does. After all, they manage to use breathing-sensors as input devices... 14.28.58 # so, no voluteers to give my plugin a try? 14.29.29 # gevaerts: thank you for your comment on my application. 14.29.47 # ByeongKeon: I'm not sure if I (personally) am the most qualified person to comment on your proposal (although it looks interesting to me), so maybe others on the channel can pitch in 14.30.46 # * gevaerts looks around for people interested in document viewers 14.32.29 # I just read the application 14.33.48 # ByeongKeon: do you own a target supported by rockbox? 14.33.56 # Nico_P: did you read my application? can i get your any comment? 14.35.47 # Nico_P: I have 14.36.10 # ByeongKeon: I seriously dount you can implement that all in the time given, unless most of the code exists and you just need to port it. 14.36.20 # s/dount/doubt 14.36.49 # gevaerts: your Meizu has arrived! 14.37.14 # just need to pick it up :) 14.37.26 # ByeongKeon: I just read it, yes. it's interesting, but have you seen the template gevaerts linkt to? 14.37.26 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 14.37.45 # * dionoea wonders how many DAPs gevaerts bough during the last few weeks. 14.37.49 # ByeongKeon: I do have one (small) comment. I would move the content aware image resizing to the end, so if you get into time problems you still have a finished system (albeit without resizing) 14.37.56 # dionoea: too many ;) 14.38.12 # markun: great! 14.38.30 # gevaerts: I'll try to pick it up tomorrow 14.39.00 # markun: mail me the info for payment and similar, and I'll send you my address 14.39.13 # Nico_P: hand it to me 14.39.28 # ipod 5G 14.39.41 # LinusN: rock or patch? 14.39.57 # rock, please 14.40.05 # Actually, I'd like to develop similar system, when I got my PDA first. 14.40.22 # LinusN: ok, just let me build it ;) 14.40.44 # ByeongKeon: have youi created similar applications before? 14.40.50 # Nico_P: make it 30GB 14.41.00 # ok 14.41.02 # * petur goes to typing class :/ 14.41.27 # petur: yes but, it's not exactly same. 14.41.33 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=PaulJam_@p54BCD24C.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.41.39 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 14.41.49 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 14.41.59 # * gevaerts re-reads his comments to the application and joins petur in this typing class 14.45.59 Join Bagderr [0] (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1b4e4baa60d30331) 14.46.13 # Nico_P: yes Nico_P, I read template. 14.46.53 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5f99386c838fd270) 14.47.04 # now now, git's aprils fool's joke wasn't very convincing 14.47.46 # Bagderr: where is it? 14.48.06 # Google's aprils fool's joke are :) 14.48.33 # http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/78653 14.48.35 # gevaerts: give me a chanc to prove it. :D 14.48.48 # linuxstb_: i was just wondering, was there any progress on the customizeable statusbar apart from your initial hack? (i haven't read all the logs since then) 14.48.50 # *jokes 14.49.29 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.49.34 # ByeongKeon: I'm probably the mentor with least seniority of all, so you mainly have to convince the others :) 14.49.57 Join kakazza [0] (n=kakazza@unaffiliated/kakazza) 14.50.25 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 14.50.28 # * Bagderr is one of the old, grumpy, old, did I say grumpy? mentors 14.50.28 # Hi, when booting my iPod mini into EDM with Select+Play, how can I then turn it of in that mode rather then rebooting it with Menu+Select? 14.50.55 # Nico_P: works fine, it takes a little while to get used to the absolute positioning 14.52.12 # how would you handle larger alphabets and lower-case? 14.52.36 # ATM I don't ;) 14.53.28 # but I guess there could be a toggle to switch between different screens. we wouldn't want to clutter the screen 14.53.43 # selecting letters would be hard with too many 14.53.55 # gevaerts: I can implment DocumentViewer in time, because, 'content aware image resize' is already implmented. 14.54.12 # Nico_P: yes, that's the general problem with this approach, i guess 14.55.13 # LinusN: yes. three screens would probably be enough though... lowercase, uppercase and special (numbers and main special chars) 14.55.22 # kakazza: you can't - you have to reboot it 14.55.36 # Creative's going after custom driver hackers to their hw it seems 14.55.42 # http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=116332 14.55.47 # Nico_P: Umlauts? Cyrillic? Greek? Kanji? 14.55.50 # Bagderr: yes, very sad 14.55.55 Nick GodEater_ is now known as GodEater (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 14.56.06 # I wonder where that'll put our creative port guys 14.56.08 # amiconn: spoilsport :) 14.56.24 # i must be getting old - i think the default font size on the 5G is waaaay to small 14.56.37 # on the next boat to gitmo? 14.56.37 # ByeongKeon: ok. Maybe you should edit your proposal to mention that. 14.56.59 # LinusN: wait till you see it on the mr500... 14.57.01 # and the d2 bootloader appeared! 14.57.13 # now we just need to spank shotofadds to fix the warnings ;-) 14.57.29 # * gevaerts points out that dasher supports umlauts, punctuation,... fine 14.57.31 # i think we have a too small font on the gigabeat as well 14.57.47 # Bagderr: Creative's April Fool joke? 14.57.51 # no 14.57.58 # posted 28th of march 14.58.02 # Ah, yes 14.58.11 # That is sad. 14.58.16 # gevaerts: I tried dasher. it's nice but takes some getting used to. also I don't think it's possible to use it without some kind of pointing device 14.58.41 # gevaerts: I'll update my apllication with more specific milestone. 14.59.49 # amiconn: I'm not even sure I want to go further into my circle keyboard idea though... it just popped in my head earlier today and I wanted to try it. I'm not convinced it's viable 15.00.19 # gevaerts: can I chat with you once more? after I update my application. 15.00.48 # ByeongKeon: sure. I probably have a meeting in a few minutes, but I'm online reasonably often. 15.01.10 # ByeongKeon: try to follow the template too, that way we'll have all the information at hand when evaluating the application 15.02.04 # Nico_P: I think (but it's been a wile since I looked at it) that it can work with one 'scroll-like' device and one or two buttons. 15.02.07 # Nico_P: thank you for your advice. 15.02.46 # Bagderr: very interesting thread! 15.03.01 # * pixelma sighs 15.03.46 # LinusN: do you mean the font that is now in the default theme or the built-in one? 15.03.56 # pixelma: the default theme 15.04.10 # it's ridiculously small 15.04.44 # Bagder: Iiuc this creative problem shouldn't affect us. It seems he adapted existing driver packages (i.e. Creative's code) to run on another OS and other soundcards 15.04.52 # the main menu fills barely 1/4 of the screen 15.05.01 # if they just hadn't picked such a "skinny" font... I think nimbus is much more readable at the same font height (because it's boldish) 15.05.47 # * Nico_P prefers boldish too 15.05.54 # amiconn: it may be so, I didn't properly research exctly what he did 15.05.56 Join hotgrrl013 [0] (n=kakazza@213.47.43.77) 15.05.58 # gevaerts: you are probably on meeting, see you tomorrow, i'll bring more detailed application. 15.07.03 # ByeongKeon: there are more mentors around than just gevaerts... 15.07.33 # the guy was hacking binary drivers to enable features creative had disabled for vista 15.07.36 # I think we're 12 mentors signed up or something 15.07.45 # can't look right now 15.07.47 # * gevaerts is not in his meeting yet :) 15.08.01 # they also didn't like the fact that he was requesting donations for his work 15.08.33 # did he distribute creative's drivers then? 15.08.44 # he distributed modified versions 15.08.55 # ok, then I see their view of this 15.09.12 # Nico_P: have a look at http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/movies/BreathDasher.mpg (25MB). If that works, it can work in rockbox... 15.09.22 # so they're completely within their rights, but the fact of disabling hardware features in drivers is very disputable 15.09.23 # petur : sorry, I completely forget that. 15.09.39 # and of course that's exactly why we've always made an effort never to distribute other's stuff in Rockbox 15.11.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.14.59 # Bagderr: just gevaerts left some comment, so I thought, the other mentors are not interesting my application. 15.15.10 Quit kakazza (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.15.15 Nick hotgrrl013 is now known as kakazza (n=kakazza@213.47.43.77) 15.15.55 # we want the best possible applications from all students 15.16.07 # so that we can then pick the best 15.16.12 # ByeongKeon: we're all interested in applications, but gevaerts seems to be our chief interrogator ATM :) 15.16.23 # he's our front man 15.16.26 # the man with the bat 15.16.40 # :-) 15.16.46 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.16.52 # * gevaerts still doesn't understand how he got in that position 15.17.04 # Bagderr: does the google page show a list of mentors oris it just in our wiki? 15.17.44 # petur: I think the list at Google's is only available to mentors 15.18.48 # Bagderr: from what I understand there is an application template somewhere that gets automatically shown when a students submits an application or something. Maybe our gsoc admin could copy the wiki template there 15.18.50 # s/mentors/admins/ 15.19.06 # aha only admins can see that 15.19.14 # * Bagderr reveals his status... 15.19.36 # gevaerts: yes, but that field is so stupidly done anyway so I doubt it'll help a lot 15.20.12 # but yeah, I should put something there 15.20.12 # Bagderr: according to Creative we are probably also selling a product to anyone who donates to us after downloading rockbox, don't you think? 15.20.44 # markun: we don't give them Creative-copyrighted code 15.20.49 # markun: well in their case the guy seems to provide Creative's code 15.20.52 # we don't 15.21.05 # so I can see how he could be argued to "sell" Creative code 15.21.14 # Yes, all of our code is written from scratch, correct? 15.21.22 # correctomente 15.21.38 # So what's Creative so worried about? 15.21.52 # LambdaCalculus37: we're comparing us with the Creative driver case mentioned above 15.22.18 # Bagderr: Ahh. 15.22.20 # LambdaCalculus37: the modified drivers enabled features that they didn't want enabled for certain cards 15.22.37 # well, _that_ we might be able to do too 15.22.52 # petur: But if they didn't want this to happen, they should've enabled those features to begin with. 15.22.54 # features in their code, I think 15.23.13 # Is there anything we have that the Creative players don't? 15.23.27 # * LambdaCalculus37 goes through the checklist 15.23.31 # a lot I'd guess 15.23.31 Quit ByeongKeon () 15.23.40 # but not that they would have a case about 15.23.55 # "we decided not to enable doom but you guys did!" 15.24.06 # Bagderr: I can understand that they don't like him to modify their drivers, but I don't see what the problem is with people donating money to that guy. 15.24.26 # markun: I doubt he pockets any of that money very much. 15.24.26 # markun: I think the big mistake was for him to distribute their stuff 15.24.35 # yes 15.24.37 # Like us, it's probably just for bandwidth and server costs. 15.24.50 # he should've made a patch tool and distributed that 15.25.03 # it would've been a lot harder for creative to argue against 15.25.21 # I think that would've been a smarter way of distributing the enhancements, rather than directly touching upon the drivers. 15.25.50 # of course it would also make it slightly harder for users 15.25.51 # Bagderr: And yes, Creative wouldn't really have any ground to stand on if he did so. 15.26.44 # Bagderr: Also, didn't we have to do a similar thing with the iriver H100/H300 firmwares? 15.26.52 # we do, yes 15.27.09 # Distribute an external app that patches the firmware with the bootloader for Rockbox, which you then flash back to your device. 15.27.41 # * Bagderr pats us on our back - oh man we are good! ;-) 15.27.49 # :) 15.27.57 # See, we did the smart thing! 15.28.19 # Just download an app, point it to the drivers, click Patch... done! 15.28.26 # * JdGordon points to the mi4 collection on haxx.se and thinks the halo needs polishing... 15.28.42 # they're not distributed by Rockbox... 15.29.02 # and they're unaltered 15.29.05 # i didnt say whos halo... 15.29.12 # And never removed from the package. :) 15.29.16 # its still redistrobuting their ip 15.29.25 # which may be against their aggrements 15.29.32 # indeed 15.30.30 # but it is on purpose hosted by me and not strictly associated with Rockbox 15.30.51 # Bagderr: poor guy :) http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&message.id=120062#M120062 15.31.38 # :-) 15.32.22 Join plb [0] (n=plb@cpe-24-164-153-130.si.res.rr.com) 15.32.43 # I like the comparison with number of US troops killed in Iraq 15.32.50 # seems very... reasonable 15.33.33 # hm so how's the progress with the d2 coming along? 15.33.58 # plb: seems to be moving ahead pretty good, there's now even three D2 builds in the build table 15.34.29 # but I think shotofadds might feel a bit lonely at times 15.34.29 # that's great...I can't wait to test it out 15.34.36 # heh 15.34.43 # why is that? 15.35.15 # I think he's about the only one doing all of the dirty work. 15.35.18 # Bagder: Yeah, with exactly 42 (!) warnings... that's for sure on purpose... 15.35.41 # ah...well he's got a lot of support in the iaudiophile forums ;] 15.35.44 # * gevaerts expects the D2 splashcreen to say something about panic 15.35.56 # bah, target specific warinngs are nothing to be scared of! 15.35.57 # whats the deal with 42? 15.36.13 # Nico_P: read a book... 15.36.25 # and get the answer 15.36.27 # Book ? Listen to the radio series ! 15.36.28 # but not the question 15.36.42 # dont spoil it! 15.36.47 # :) 15.37.05 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.37.14 # * Bagderr whistles 15.37.22 # a few more builds and ill have to upgrade my monitor again... 15.37.23 # hehe now I know 15.37.29 # plb: "support" is not what we need on the D2, code and skill are 15.37.32 # damn wide screen 20" just doesnt cut it anymore 15.37.58 # * petur explains JdGordon that resolution counts, not size 15.38.02 # Bagderr: well I can't help on that one ;] 15.38.05 # but shotofadds is doing great I think 15.38.29 # damn 1680px width res just doesnt cut it anymore 15.38.34 # yep 15.38.45 # JdGordon: 8pt font! 15.39.11 # bah... 20" and just 1680px? 15.39.22 # Bagderr: what did you answer to the proposal to separate build types? 15.39.35 # * Nico_P has 1680 in 15"4 15.39.56 # * petur has 1920x1200 in 15"4 15.40.10 # Nico_P: I don't think I answered that at all... 15.40.15 # * gevaerts has only 1400x1050 in that size 15.40.15 # petur: what make is that? 15.40.20 # but yes, the build table needs something 15.40.24 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-232-036.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.40.30 # dell latitude D820 15.41.09 # Nico_P: the nice thing is that the resolution prevents you from programming after drinking too many beers :) 15.41.10 # I thought that kind of resolution was only available with at least 17" 15.41.16 # hehe 15.41.20 # unfortunately, resoluion isn't everything 15.41.29 # I've seen so crappy dell 1920 screens 15.41.37 # that I didn't dare buying one 15.41.57 # Bagderr: did you look at mine last devcon? 15.42.25 # not very closely to compare with others, no 15.43.06 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 15.43.11 # I've seen two other ones that both looked a lot worse than my current 1680x1050 15.4" 15.43.23 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.43.38 # Bagderr: you have an asus F3Jm, don't you? 15.43.43 # I do, yes 15.43.50 # same as mine :) 15.44.24 # the screen is really nice but it does weird things somtimes 15.44.34 # it does? like what? 15.46.48 # I get some artifacts... white pixels on a black bg produce a red outline and some pixels in white areas become cyan 15.46.53 # it comes and goes 15.47.04 # I have nothing of that 15.47.14 Join w0rd54 [0] (i=blackdev@100mbit.top-site.us) 15.47.37 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-209-094.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15.47.37 # yeah I didn't find much about it in my research, I'm probably just unlucky ;) 15.50.24 Quit plb ("Lost terminal") 15.50.27 # my f3j suffers from (the apparently common) broken headphone detection :-( 15.50.56 # ah I got that one too. sending it for repair went fine 15.51.06 # will send it in soon myself 15.52.41 # I don't think I ever tried that ;-) 15.53.12 # :-) 15.57.34 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.57.47 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.59.14 Join Spex [0] (i=opera@dslb-088-074-207-201.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.59.26 # guys u are the best :D 15.59.39 # your firmware is fuqqin awsome 15.59.41 # thx alot 16.03.02 # you're welcome! 16.03.23 Quit corevette (Remote closed the connection) 16.04.00 Quit knittl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.04.23 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 16.05.25 Join phinze [0] (n=phinze@pcp027324pcs.jesres.mu.edu) 16.09.23 # I wonder if we perhaps can come up with a build table concept that hides the zero-builds for the typical use-case 16.09.47 # since as long as they're zero, very few people wants to investigate them clsoer 16.09.51 Join major_works [0] (n=chatzill@ool-45745dcc.dyn.optonline.net) 16.11.00 # I sometimes look for the build server info there if there is something odd in the delta table 16.11.37 # it'd still be available but perhaps a click away or something 16.11.50 # just thinking out loud 16.12.10 # Bagderr: http://www.meizume.com/rockbox/5919-structure-infomation-block-nandboot-m6sl.html#post59513 16.12.14 # I'm not sure splitting the table in more than one is the best idea 16.12.16 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.44) 16.13.06 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 16.13.13 # markun: aha 16.13.57 # Bagderr: although I have no idea which nand util he is talking about 16.14.55 Quit phinze () 16.15.35 Quit major_works ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]") 16.16.44 # Bagderr: I do see a NandUtility.dll in the folder of Samsung's DFU Manager 16.22.32 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.33) 16.29.20 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.37.00 Quit PaulJam (".") 16.37.13 Part Spex 16.37.34 Join low_light [0] (i=187b2f62@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d5aae6ad38a493dc) 16.39.07 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.39.15 # Can someone make me a custom e200tool build? 16.40.39 Join TheCompWiz [0] (n=tmealey@wsip-68-109-200-102.mc.at.cox.net) 16.41.02 # low_light: did you receive your gogear sa 9200 ? 16.41.07 # toffe82: hi. got my gogear sa9200. 16.41.12 # :) 16.41.28 # I documented the recovery and service modes in the wiki 16.41.38 # did you try to do something with it ? 16.42.24 # Not yet. I was going to see if the e200tool works on it 16.42.28 # low_light: how did you find them? 16.43.36 # there was a google video toffe82 found that gave the clue 16.43.41 # to update, you don't need the udater from philips, you just have to copy the file in the system folder 16.44.30 # the recovery works ? I couldn't make it works ??? 16.45.07 # 15 seconds ;) perhaps I didn't wait enough 16.45.19 Join sneeze [0] (i=8182e902@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2f9558a8ec861127) 16.45.41 # yeah. the player seems to go into a suspend mode if you don't hold it long enough 16.46.00 # * LambdaCalculus37 goes to look at the GoGearSA9200 wiki page 16.46.19 # has rockbox had many sumemr of code applications yet? 16.46.35 # sure :) 16.46.53 # low_light: so you think you can get a copy of the bootloader ? 16.47.19 # markun: did you receive the connectros ? 16.47.36 # connectors ^^ 16.47.44 # toffe82: i did...thanks :) 16.47.50 # toffe82: no, not yet 16.48.00 # i found it amusing how "TOP" is actually the bottom though... 16.48.12 # * gevaerts got them this morning, but didn't look closely at them yet 16.48.24 # sneeze: are you interested in a project ? 16.48.31 # scorche|sh: ?? 16.48.35 # gevaerts: yeah, i have one in mind 16.48.54 # i don't think it's enough for a summer project though 16.48.57 # toffe82: my hope is that e200tool can. 16.48.59 # toffe82: well, the lettering of TOP is face down 16.49.07 # sneeze: Well, pull up a chair and have a cup of coffee, and tell us. :) 16.49.10 # one would think otherwise, but /shrug 16.49.14 # * LambdaCalculus37 gives sneeze a cup of coffee 16.49.22 # sneeze: what would you like to work on? 16.49.23 # Well alright 16.49.27 # * gevaerts goes to get a cup of coffee as well 16.49.43 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.49.46 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 16.49.50 # I want to make a database editor of sorts, that lets you manage your songs right on the ipod 16.49.57 # anyone know what causes the sansa to reboot when usb is plugged in? 16.50.01 # as far as renaming/deletion and moving things around 16.50.01 # Has a "coffee over IRC" rfc been published? 16.50.22 # TheCompWiz: it's intentional 16.50.49 # sneeze: changing the tags by moving the songs around in the database? 16.50.51 # but devices *are* found in windows... (finds both the player & sd card) ... 16.50.59 # or moving file around in the filesystem? 16.51.00 # right before it reboots anyway. 16.51.18 # markun: i mean editing the tags basically 16.51.52 # dionoea: How about writing a coffee brewing plugin for Rockbox? :) 16.51.54 # I think tag editing could be enough for the summer 16.52.10 # LambdaCalculus37: Does that require a hardware mod ? :) 16.52.11 # Just pick your preferred brew from a menu, then sit back and let it brew! 16.52.18 # HTCPCP! 16.52.22 # GodEater: any way to prevent a reboot? 16.52.26 # TheCompWiz: they devices you see just before rebooting are not functional 16.52.34 # ok. 16.52.36 # markun: awesome 16.52.44 # how 'bout listening to music while charging? 16.52.45 # sneeze: but I'm not a mentor this year :) 16.52.49 # TheCompWiz: hold menu whilst plugging in 16.53.07 # markun: no worries man, i'm going to start on my application today 16.53.08 # GodEater: tried that one... worked on previous builds... dosn't anymore. 16.53.08 # Bagderr: that wouldn't work over IRC though :/ 16.53.09 # so it depends on what others think of it. Write a nice proposal if you are serious about it. 16.53.17 # dionoea: true, it needs some refinement 16.53.26 # sneeze: ok, good luck 16.53.31 # thanks :) 16.53.37 # Or maybe they have a hyper text on IRC spec somewhere 16.54.23 # markun: out of curiosity, when you were a mentor, what was the ratio of applications received vs. applications accepted? 16.54.26 # if you had to guess 16.54.27 # sneeze: in case you didn't see it yet, please follow the template we put at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GSoCApplicationTemplate2008 . 16.54.35 # Could someone make an e200tool build changing the vendor and product id's to 0x471 and 0x14f 16.54.51 Join markun_ [0] (i=54f18042@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-642e6090a56027da) 16.54.59 # sneeze: last year we got 20 applications and got 4 slots assigned 16.55.26 # sneeze: nice webclient at mibbit.com! 16.55.31 # TheCompWiz: what exact version are you using ? 16.55.36 # no doubt :) 16.55.48 # e250 the "current build" as of today. 16.56.24 Quit markun_ (Client Quit) 16.56.33 # TheCompWiz: I've just tried it on my c240 - it appears "Select" is the thing to hold on that 16.56.34 # r16913 16.56.39 # can't speak for the e200 series though 16.57.20 # just tried it 3 more times... still no go. 16.57.50 # TheCompWiz: Maybe a Sansa e200 owner could tell you the exact button. 16.58.02 # * LambdaCalculus37 has a c240; no e200 devices 16.58.19 # LambdaCalculus37: it used to be the menu button... which did work in the past... but dosn't now. 16.58.25 # TheCompWiz: LambdaCalculus37 he said that it works on previous versions, so I assume he knows... 16.58.45 # it got moved to the select button :( not the menu button. 16.58.48 Join Spex [0] (i=opera@dslb-088-074-207-201.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.58.52 # found it at least. 16.58.56 # guys i have a divied by zero error 16.59.03 # and cant turn off my sansa e200 16.59.13 # what can i do? 16.59.15 # ??? 16.59.19 # push & hold the power button for about 30-sec 16.59.24 # it will turn off. 16.59.29 # woot 30 sec? 16.59.39 # yep 16.59.41 # 30 seconds. 16.59.45 # lol nice 16.59.47 # it worked 16.59.54 # that was fast 16.59.55 # Does anyone else have any feedback on my tag editor idea? 16.59.55 # thx alot 17.00.13 # guys is there a bmp viewer or smth 17.00.15 # Spec: Less on the shorthand and more regular English, please. 17.00.30 # * LambdaCalculus37 points to the IRC guidelines: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines 17.00.57 # sneeze: tag writing in general would be nice. Also for a replaygain plugin for example. 17.01.07 # Spex: There's Rockpaint, which can (sort of) function as a bitmap viewer. 17.01.09 # * TheCompWiz hates l337 sp33k... plz 2 lurn 2 spek teh english. kthxbye. 17.01.31 # ya but when i try to open a bmp file with a plugin i dont see the rockpaint plugin 17.01.47 # Spex: What device are you using? 17.01.55 # e200 17.01.57 # sansa 17.02.00 # (10:59:03 AM) Spex: and cant turn off my sansa e200 17.02.17 # i already turned off 17.02.26 # thx it worked 17.02.56 # ah well 17.03.00 # Spex: Righty right then. Hold SELECT to go into the context menu, and Select Open With... > rockpaint. 17.03.11 # ya found it 17.03.20 # wow u have all players infront of u? 17.03.32 # * TheCompWiz hates l337 sp33k... plz 2 lurn 2 spek teh english. kthxbye. 17.03.36 # * gevaerts reminds Spex of the Y, O, and U keys 17.03.50 # Spex: Is your keyboard busted? 17.04.06 # ups sorry guys 17.04.14 # And no, I only have five supported players, three of which are iPods. 17.04.16 # i'll use "you" now 17.04.16 # oops is spelled with 2 o's 17.04.16 # :D 17.04.56 # it's in me sometimes i do write "u" in english exams :D 17.05.06 # 1337 for live ^^ 17.05.09 # Just because I do help desk doesn't always mean that my mantra is "I read the manuals so you don't have to". ;) 17.05.32 # Spex: Well, we don't allow shorthand English or 1337-sp33k here. 17.05.41 # dang LambdaCalculus37... how am I going to continue to be lazy? what the heck man! 17.05.57 # ya ok i understood 17.06.07 # Some of our visitors are either visually impaired or don't speak English natively, and use screen translators to read the site and channels. 17.06.10 # reading manuals??? isn't that supposed to be the last-resort? 17.06.12 # or is "ya" also shorthanded? 17.06.17 # it is 17.06.17 # So please show them a little respect. 17.06.45 # TheCompWiz: We tell people to. We're not robots running 24/7 tech support here. 17.07.05 # i show them alot of respect. they made me a better live 17.07.06 # you're not? ... so much for my oil-can Christmas present 17.07.15 Part LinusN 17.07.30 # this rockbox is really great stuff 17.07.35 # thanks 17.07.59 # i was very frusttrated because my sansa e200 only sorts music by its id3-tags 17.08.15 # i was looking for a patch that sorts by folders 17.08.21 # * TheCompWiz thinks the sarcasm isn't quite thick enough yet. 17.08.33 # * LambdaCalculus37 cuts the sarcasm with a knife 17.08.42 # and now i have a fully new firmware that supports so much more 17.08.44 # Spex: Have a look at our lovely manual: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html 17.08.48 # and also little games 17.08.51 # Many of the answers are in it! 17.09.08 # And it's made from a space-age polymer plastic for years of enjoyment! :) 17.09.08 # i have no answer :D 17.09.17 # Anyone know if there's a user interface for making the play lists? (outside of the internal one) 17.09.43 # *i have no question 17.09.43 # TheCompWiz: Yeah, a standard text editor. 17.09.55 # The playlists are M3U formatted. 17.10.08 # !me thanks all rockbox developers 17.10.09 # Just make sure all of the paths in the playlists are correct! 17.10.32 # Spex: Off-topic, but IRC commands are /command. 17.10.50 # uhm long time i used it 17.11.07 # * LambdaCalculus37 gets back on topic 17.11.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.11.12 # right the "!" is for like status page or smth 17.11.17 # LambdaCalculus37: beer? 17.11.21 # * Spex thanks for all :D 17.11.26 # markun: Beer! 17.11.34 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-126-215.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.14.10 Part Spex 17.14.15 Join Spex [0] (i=opera@dslb-088-074-207-201.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.14.46 Join langhaarrocker [0] (n=Philflie@dslb-084-061-100-091.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.16.11 Quit bughunter2 ("Leaving.") 17.16.22 Quit low_light ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.17.38 Join Rincewind [0] (i=TKeiXmkC@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.18.32 # Since quite a while there's a 'new' recording trigger feature Trigtype. Is there a reason why the options haven't been combined with the options of the "Trigger" settings? 17.21.13 Part Bagderr 17.22.01 Join mcflow [0] (n=mcflow@88-134-3-18-dynip.superkabel.de) 17.24.05 Quit langhaarrocker ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 17.30.01 Quit sneeze ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.40.44 # Bagder: Why not split the build table. Users generally only care about the target build, but devs need to know they didn't break any bootloaders or sims.. 3 tables would work for me. 17.41.45 # pondlife: do users care about the build table? 17.42.09 # Probably not, but Bagder's earlier comment... 17.42.12 # * pondlife hunts 17.42.43 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.42.57 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 17.43.27 # Ah, I misread "user-..." not "use-case". 17.43.57 # I like the idea of green, rather than just hiding the good builds in some way. 17.47.16 # the color of hope? :) 17.47.40 # pixelma: The color of a happy planet? :) 17.49.05 # The color of poison ? :) 17.51.31 Quit petur ("gonne") 17.52.40 # gevaerts: I read in the logs that we have a couple more theme editor gsoc apps now. 17.52.55 Join tweakism [0] (i=teatime@colobus.isomerica.net) 17.52.55 # what do you think, do I have to fear them? 17.53.07 # Is there a real USB stack for rockbox, perhaps in SVN or something? 17.53.18 # nope...it is fake 17.53.21 # :/ 17.53.23 # it's all pretend 17.53.23 # man that sucks. 17.53.34 # an illusion of the mind even 17.53.40 # a hallucination 17.53.43 # It never existed. 17.53.55 # ... are you being sarcastic? 17.54.01 # somewhat 17.54.02 # tweakism: there is a work in progress 17.54.02 # :D 17.54.21 # gevaerts: is it possible to load MP3s using the current existing USB functionality, perhaps in SVN? 17.55.05 # tweakism: yes it is 17.55.10 # tweakism: but it's very slow 17.55.15 # I see. 17.55.28 # Well no great loss. I should buy a microSD SDHC card anyway 17.55.29 # tweakism: what player are you talking about, by the way? 17.55.33 Join dandin1 [0] (n=anon2155@bas7-ottawa23-1088832488.dsl.bell.ca) 17.55.43 # sansa c240, it looks like the USB stuff may not be implemented at all for it anyway. 17.55.55 # tweakism: Give it time; it needs polish. 17.56.02 # yeah I can wait. 17.56.05 # I just thought perhaps.. 17.56.40 # Rincewind: of course you have to fear them :) I don't really like to compare applications right now though 17.57.09 # tweakism: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb for current status information 17.57.20 # gevaerts: thank you. 17.57.30 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.58.07 # ok, then I just wait and see. I can't change anything now anyway. Stupid deadline extension :( 18.00.11 # Rincewind: If you want to make some changes, I guess a comment from one of the mentors should do the trick. And if it's any consolation, all current theme editor proposals were submitted before the original deadline 18.01.50 # gevaerts: yes, but now the other's have time to polish their applications. I don't have much time because I have a very important exam this friday. And then vacation. 18.04.56 Part solrize_ ("Leaving") 18.06.00 # well. I stop complaining now. Competition makes it interesting :) 18.07.17 # :) I do understand your feelings though... 18.08.30 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.09.39 # * scorche|sh wonders when Lenovo will roll out the new version of their ultraportable 18.09.48 # oh whoops...wrong channel 18.10.26 # * Rincewind likes the X300 too, except the price 18.10.42 # hush and move to the other channel =/ 18.11.40 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23CB1B.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.15.46 # well thanks for your help guys 18.15.53 # mucho gracias 18.15.54 Part tweakism ("peace.") 18.20.26 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 18.20.47 Quit gevaerts ("work->home") 18.20.50 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 18.20.50 # toffe82: got the connectors! thanks 18.21.25 Part Spex 18.21.47 # markun: don't forget, do not plug them without modify them 18.22.36 # toffe82: i need to order the other ends of the cable, so it will be a little bit before i actually use them 18.23.12 # I have some WPS files that used to work a few days ago (build r16873 or earlier) but now some of the images don't display (progress bar, background, etc.). Did something change recently with the loading/displaying of bitmaps in the WPS? 18.26.12 # yes, the WPS parser got a little stricter again, check for syntax errors like missing closing | . Actually such a "broken" WPS shouldn't show up but it still does but not the things which