--- Log for 09.04.108 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.14 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.133.61) 00.00.42 Quit DavidS1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.02.46 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.02.59 # linuxstb: I begin to see 00.03.44 # Nico_P: have you been able to into the buffer screen and skip backward to force full rebuffers and observed anything interesting? 00.04.04 # I'll try 00.04.45 # amiconn: i can't remember anything about that being a problem 00.06.14 # preglow: Codec buffer and plugin buffer are at the end of ram now, which is a different address depending on whether there are 32 or 64MB ... 00.06.30 # jhMikeS: I don't see much apart from what I said above about buffering and metadata competing over the disk 00.06.45 # amiconn: and moving them to the start of ram is the straightforward solution 00.06.49 # startish, at least 00.07.04 # I made a suggestion on how sections could be re-ordered at devcon 2007, but nobody actually implemented it 00.07.10 Quit simonrvn ("bbl") 00.07.13 # yes, i remember that 00.07.15 # which is why i asked 00.07.16 # jhMikeS: do you think it would be wiser to interleave metdata and audio loading? 00.07.34 # So I think that nobody is interested enough to actually do it 00.07.51 # amiconn: is it a lot of work? 00.07.53 # amiconn: would mostly just be linked script hacking, yes? 00.07.55 # Nico_P: I was considering the idea of having the buffering thread actually do the parsing if that's what you mean 00.07.57 # linker 00.08.24 # preglow: Not only. It also requires work in crt0 (relocating stuff after starting 00.08.47 # jhMikeS: i'm starting to think about doing some work towards supporting proper multiple sample rates... 00.08.53 # the linker script should be easier to fiddle with now when moved into the target tree and thus less ifdefy 00.08.58 # The image will be loaded at the start of ram, and an artifical gap in the file would be bad 00.09.00 # Bagder: definitely 00.09.27 # Bagder: If we do this reshuffle, we should probably do it for all targets 00.10.02 # Could be useful to get rid of the special 8MB archos builds, and perhaps also merge iriver h100 and h120 builds 00.10.06 Join crwll [0] (n=crawlie@a88-114-143-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 00.10.19 # jhMikeS: that could help, yes. we could make it load metadata with priority over audio 00.10.21 # adn ipv 00.10.26 # doh 00.10.32 # preglow: I'm having nightmares about that 00.10.36 # and ipod video 32MB and 6MB 00.10.43 # *64MB 00.10.43 # jhMikeS: yeah, i probably haven't thought well enough about it... 00.10.51 # but still, i see no _real_ reason it should be exceedingly hard 00.10.59 # DerPapst: No need to mention the original reason... 00.11.29 # sorry? ;-) 00.11.35 # Nico_P: isn't the buffer arranged as |MD|AUDIO|MD|AUDIO|? 00.12.02 # The codec won't start anyway until the metadata is loaded 00.12.22 # jhMikeS: it is, yes. but once the spaces are allocated there's no real constraint on the order with which we fill them 00.12.32 Quit bluebrother ("sleep. now.") 00.12.37 Quit Ave (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 00.12.40 Quit crwl (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 00.12.45 Join Ave [0] (i=ave@a91-152-238-56.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 00.12.50 # The iriver h100+h120 unification would need a bit of runtime behaviour modification (spdif enable polarity), but other builds do that too (archos, ipod 1st/2nd Gen....) in other areas 00.13.04 # which explains the variation in how long it may take a file to start playing 00.13.06 # amiconn: such a small runtime check is perfectly ok, if you ask me 00.13.07 # so I was thinking of loading the metadata for the 1st track, then part of its audio, then metadata for all other tracks, then remaining audio 00.13.50 # preglow: Of course. The mentioned examples do far bigger ones (the biggest I am aware of is the old/new lcd decision on archos player (!)) 00.14.11 # jhMikeS: well I don't fully understand those variations yet. when I say there's no constraint, it's theory. in practice we fill the audio spaces in sequential order 00.14.28 # amiconn: i think isolated cases are completely ok, it doesn't add any real complexity, and having fewer builds makes up for it 00.14.38 # * gevaerts expects the runtime checks for the meizu to be much bigger 00.14.44 # what I mean is that we could fill them in the order we want to 00.14.56 # The 2 LCDs have a completely different charset with a different number of user-definable characters, and completely different command sets too 00.15.02 # but a track won't start decoding until the metadata for it is ready so if that gets delayed...well, you get the idea 00.15.38 # it shouldn't, but yeah I see what you mean 00.15.51 # the codecs wait for it internally 00.15.58 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.16.02 # Well, the ipod color is a similar example (2 different LCDs). The ipod 1st/2nd Gen needs to decide on wheel enable, and adc read-out routine 00.16.36 # the current track should have buffering priority of course 00.16.49 # All bitmap archoses have several bits for selecting signal polarities. Oh, and the Ondio FM has 2 rather different tuner drivers... 00.16.51 # amiconn: the Meizu M3 needs to check for different LCD modules and different DACs. 00.17.17 # jhMikeS: yes, but I think it's a good idea to only buffer part of its audio data and then move on to metadata for the following tracks 00.17.26 # So, such decisions are normal 00.17.40 # and after that, fill all the remaining audio data 00.17.41 # I'm not sure about the 2 Mini builds though 00.18.48 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Connection timed out) 00.18.53 # markun: All the different M3 versions look the same externally? 00.19.05 # ^Meizu M3... 00.19.19 # MM3? 00.19.28 # linuxstb: maybe the serial number starts differently 00.20.05 # the M6 models start with TP, SP, or SL 00.20.09 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.20.48 # jhMikeS: I could try to start implementing that maybe tomorrow, unless you want to do it 00.21.44 # I also just started a reorganization of audio_check_new_track, but I think moving metadata loading to the buffering thread has more potential right now 00.21.46 # I'm working on Gigabeat S stuff atm 00.21.52 # linuxstb: seems not all d2 units have dab :/ 00.22.32 # jhMikeS: heh, then please don't change :) 00.22.42 # preglow: Correct. 00.22.48 # jhMikeS: \ô/ 00.22.52 # I think Bagder has bought one without DAB. 00.22.56 # damn, i'm itching for one of these buggers now 00.23.02 # jhMikeS: did you see aliask's SPI patch btw? 00.23.10 # yes mine's without dab 00.23.19 Quit XavierGr () 00.23.19 # You _may_ need to buy it from the UK - I'm not sure where else they're sold with DAB. 00.23.23 # linuxstb: I talked to gevaerts about adding some runtime detection and optional macros to make an optimized build for a particular revision 00.23.31 # linuxstb: i've found norwegian stores that claim to have ones with dab 00.23.33 # * amiconn would like a rockbox target with DAB support, but not touchy stuff like the D2 :\ 00.23.39 # I found it in Sweden with dab too 00.23.46 # Bagder: did you open it up yet? 00.23.51 # nope 00.24.00 # OK - it was launched in the UK first, but obviously is now more widely available. 00.24.20 # seems to cost around 2k nok for a dab one 00.24.26 # the D2 actually has screws visible 00.24.41 # BigBambi: :) BTW, what's \'/ ?? (Visual IRC sucks with Unicode) 00.24.41 # the meizu seems harder to get into 00.24.51 # I didn't open mine 00.25.02 # Nico_P: no...someone should have said something :) 00.25.03 # jhMikeS: It was an 'o' with a circumflex (a little hat) on it 00.25.14 # don't think i'll end up justifying the cost when i've already got other mp3 players :/ 00.25.19 # I would be curious to know if the DAB module is the same as the Logik DAX - I've documented the DAX on the wiki 00.25.21 # in the middle of '\' and '/' 00.25.23 # \/ 00.25.24 # i need to get more advanced habits :P 00.25.41 # jhMikeS: Nah, little hat not two dots 00.25.57 # * gevaerts prefers \☺/ 00.26.03 # that's an "O"+"~" here 00.26.05 # * Nico_P sees a flat hat in what jhMikeSsaid 00.26.23 # Nico_P: what about ô vs ö 00.26.30 # * gevaerts sees a wavy hairstyle there 00.26.40 # for me, first is little hat (not flat) second is two dots 00.26.41 # BigBambi: there I see the difference 00.27.16 # I guess my font is too small for jhMikeS' hair to be wavy 00.27.20 # aha 00.27.46 # jhMikeS: Anyway, originally it was an 'o' with a '^' on it :) 00.28.05 # jhMikeS: it's FS#8792 in case you haven't seen yet 00.28.42 # grah, the arm cores are quite nice too 00.28.56 # \/ 00.29.27 # * jhMikeS wonders how he missed that FS 00.29.45 # \☺/ \☻/ 00.30.12 # jhMikeS has a questionmark in his face for me... 00.30.56 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.31.54 Quit toffe82 ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]") 00.32.50 # Nico_P: It's stated it's not really an SVN suited patch. I was doing a interrupt-based one with nodes so it can handle all the SPI chips in the system (and read/write multiple values) 00.33.26 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 00.33.38 # jhMikeS: yes. I guess it might save you some time if it had stuff he found out 00.33.55 # we need read/write multiple to do backlight fading which is hardware controlled and needs two values sent withing 30uS. 00.35.31 # Bagder: is the retailos usable? 00.35.47 # haven't tried it yet actually 00.36.26 # still doing the primary charging 00.37.03 # but it boasts flac and ogg playback etc 00.38.08 # JdGordon: ping 00.38.42 # Nico_P: It'll probably be thread based (to allow sleeping) but actual handling of the PMU interrupts can be done on a worker thread. 00.39.37 # preglow: assuming you're still taling D2, the retail firmware is actually usuable. 00.39.42 # s/taling/talking 00.39.55 # btw, the processor is currently only running half speed after boot (the core clock divider is set to /2 by retailos so it's at 264 MHz). 00.40.03 # shotofadds: cool, nice to be able to use it somewhat for videos and the like while porting 00.40.24 # shotofadds: btw, do you know what clock the cores run at? i see from the wiki the second runs at 30 00.40.31 # 300 00.40.42 # the wiki is incorrect, in that case 00.40.47 # really, now 00.40.54 # jhMikeS: what about USB? 00.41.00 # both cores run at up to 192Mhz 00.41.12 # both seem to be pretty capable too 00.41.14 # (although I have done no testing with COP whatsoever) 00.41.47 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 00.42.22 # Nico_P: I think the serial driver has to come first for detection. 00.43.48 # preglow: According to the D2's manual, it can handle 320x240@30fps (MPEG4 or WMV) 00.44.38 # linuxstb: which kind of sucks for tv out, but i guess it's far better than nothing 00.44.49 # linuxstb: mpeg2 should decode more efficiently anyway 00.44.50 # jhMikeS: do we know enough to be able to start implementing USB once the serial driver is ready, or is there more research needed? 00.45.15 # Does any of the new non-ipod colour targets actually have a reasonable LCD (i.e. not the pitch-black type)? 00.45.55 # sadly the D2's is pitch-black 00.46.05 Join wooster [0] (n=w@pool-70-107-93-184.ny325.east.verizon.net) 00.46.10 # Nico_P: I think there's not much more to know from the logic diagram. The tranceiver appears to be selected and controlled by OTG. 00.46.11 # what is meant by pitch-black type? 00.46.19 # not visible without backlight 00.46.27 # :/ 00.46.38 # jhMikeS: that means the imx31? 00.46.47 # it's the same screen as the ZVM, actually. 00.46.58 # shotofadds: Do you know if the D2 can do Band L DAB? 00.47.14 # (Band 3 is used in the UK) 00.47.14 # Nico_P: yes. toffe82 said the CS pin is C10 which is USB_OC on the ball map 00.48.19 # Which seems to go against "CS(GPIO)". 00.48.23 # linuxstb: I don't believe it can (though I can't recall where that answer came from) 00.48.44 # shotofadds: I hope it can't (my Logik Dax can't either...) 00.48.57 # linuxstb: I think it came from a Cowon Germany rep (re: ugrade to DAB+, etc) 00.49.07 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 00.49.34 # What have they said about DAB+? 00.49.38 Join CilliClone [0] (n=Cillian@client-86-31-46-131.leed.adsl.virgin.net) 00.49.53 # JdGordon: In the hope you read the logs 00.49.56 # Is it just me, or do rather a lot of jpegs not view correctly on rockbox? 00.50.18 # CilliClone: Depends how many progressive jpegs you have - Rockbox can't view them. 00.50.39 # Or what do you mean by "not view correctly" / 00.50.56 # http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/m6d2.html 00.51.03 # well, since DAB is (apparently) being switched off in favour of DAB+ in Germany, users wanted to confirm the D2 is software-upgradeable. Apparently it is. 00.51.06 # linuxstb: It gives an unsupported error 00.51.08 # * jhMikeS needs to see what "USB_OC" is anyway. 00.51.10 # shows the m6 next to d2 00.51.31 # I assume it's not reasonably simple for me to write a patch to fix that? 00.52.00 # JdGordon: I'm refering to this i.e. function "void list_draw(struct screen *display, struct viewport *parent, struct gui_synclist *list)". It came with your list vp commit. I'm wondering what the "struct viewport *parent" is needed for, the gui_synclist struct has a parent vp within, this could be used, or am I missing something? 00.52.01 # Bagder: the D2's a bit of a fatty compared to those two... 00.52.16 # shotofadds: That's a good sign then - so we can implement it too... (the DAB+ specs are publically available for free) 00.52.25 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.52.43 # linuxstb: that would seriously rock 00.52.55 # * kugel is jealous of all those d2 people :( 00.53.07 # Good night 00.53.10 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008040514]") 00.53.10 # This is going to be a bit orthagonal to the discussion, but I said I would report back, so pardon my pasting (I won't flood tho). 00.53.18 # One week ago (Tue, Apr 1) I stopped in and asked about buying a refurb Sansa e260 from buy.com, wondering if it was version 1 and would therefore work with Rockbox. 00.53.20 # * shotofadds is jealous of all these targets with >1 developer :( 00.53.28 # I got lots of help here, especially from BigBambi, pixelma and advcomp2019. I said I'd drop back by after it was delievered and so here I am to tell you that the buy.cm Sansa e260 that I got was indeed v.1 [FIRMWARE VERSION 01.02.18A ] and does work with Rockbox. 00.53.49 # SO I'm happy. I presume this will always be a crapshoot but the 2 refurb Sansas I've gotten from Buy.com in the past month (this e260 and a recent c250) were both Rockbox-compatible. 00.53.53 # wooster: Glad to hear it :) 00.53.55 # linuxstb: DAB+ would rock, completely. How hard can it be.......? 00.54.03 # ..end.. Sorry for the screen dump but I had it all typed out. 00.54.15 # Thanks bigBambi, I appreciate your help! 00.54.21 # it's great 00.54.23 # no probs, anytime 00.54.44 # shotofadds: he-aac isn't exactly a trivial decode, but it's completely doable on that core 00.54.49 # ok, now I'll leave so you folks can continue making this great software. Bye! 00.54.54 # shotofadds: Once DAB itself is working, supporting DAB+ should be trivial - we already have an aac+ decoder in Rockbox (I think...) 00.54.56 # wooster, great to hear too and no problem 00.54.59 # shotofadds: i'm seriously considering getting a d2 now 00.55.06 # thanks adv2019 for your help... bye! 00.55.12 Quit wooster () 00.55.20 # shotofadds: The only issue will be optimising it - it may struggle... 00.55.38 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.55.39 Quit gevaerts ("Reconnecting") 00.55.42 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-182.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 00.55.46 # linuxstb: have you looked at DAB on the dax? 00.55.51 # btw, what are the odds of bricking d2s? 00.55.53 # Not at all. 00.55.53 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 00.56.02 # preglow: practically zero 00.56.09 # I haven't managed it yet. 00.56.13 # what i wanted to hear :) 00.56.25 # preglow: There's a 4KB boot ROM in the SoC which gives a USB boot mode - that's what tcctool uses to transfer code to RAM 00.56.30 # how far have you gone towards really trying to brick it, though? :P 00.56.46 # linuxstb: did you look at any of the SDK links posted to the forum? there might be soemthing helpful in there, 00.56.56 # linuxstb: it's 8kb btw 00.57.04 Quit ender` (" Kids. You gotta love them. I adore children. A little salt, a squeeze of lemon--perfect. -- Harry Dresden") 00.57.15 # * jhMikeS wonders why one would want to "try" to brick a device 00.57.18 # I thought it was 4KB... Or maybe that's the tcc77x 00.57.44 # * linuxstb needs to stop starting new things and go back to the logik dax 00.57.45 # jhMikeS: well, not conciously try... 00.57.45 # preglow: I don't think that's possible. If you even go as far as destroying the low-level format of the NAND it'll try to re-format it. 00.58.05 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.58.05 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 00.58.45 # * shotofadds is off to grab some much needed sleep. 00.58.46 # USB_OC = USB OUTPUT CONTROL (why doesn't the RM just say so) :p 00.59.04 # shotofadds: Do you know if anyone has taken photos of the internals of a D2 DAB? 00.59.12 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.59.27 # AAC+ decoding should be fine on an ARM9 core, even given our decoder 01.00.06 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.02.00 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.02.15 # saratoga2: sure, it should even be doable on an ipod core, given nicely optimized code 01.02.25 # saratoga2: at least he-aac, parametric stereo might be asking for too much 01.04.48 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 01.05.37 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 01.07.58 Join perrikwp [0] (i=9821431b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-12d5a15d4c1eadaf) 01.09.43 # Nico_P: btw, on H10 I only see about 2s more buffering time over using the ata lock hack (and the disk is really slow on that). 22 vs 20 and I'm not sure it wasn't just some random variation. 01.10.40 # I need to do some timing 01.13.04 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.15.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.17.43 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.18.29 # the only difference between 30gig and 60/80gig is the sector size? 01.19.49 # jhMikeS: IIRC only the 80G has the 2k sectors (or maybe also the newer 30G) 01.19.53 # the main difference is RAM size (32 vs.64) and the 80GB disk has a different sector size (if I don't mix things up) 01.20.16 # preglow: I remember the Helix people claimed 80MHz or something equally ridiculous for ARM7 with 0 latency memory 01.20.27 # so i'm not too sure, at least not without dual core 01.20.46 # RAM size of 32 vs 64 _MB_ that is :) 01.20.47 # 5.5G iPod have 2k sectors 01.20.59 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.21.14 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 01.21.17 # * jhMikeS sees MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE 1024 defined unconditionally in config-ipodvideo.h 01.21.23 # so the 5.5G 30GB iPod has 2k sectors too 01.22.04 # whereas the 5G 30GB one has 512byte sectors :-) 01.22.20 # saratoga2: for aacplus version1 or 2? 01.22.22 # * gevaerts thinks the 5G is better : it has more sectors 01.23.28 # i think that was V1 only 01.23.40 # The 5.5G/80GB's *hard disk* has 1024-byte sectors 01.23.54 # All other ipod harddisks have standard 512-byte sectors 01.23.58 # saratoga2: https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/2005/aacfixptdec.html 01.24.13 # 30g compiles with large sectors and an #error in the #define block confirms that 01.24.22 # However, the 5.5G 30GB *and* 80GB present their disk as having 2048-byte sectors *over USB* 01.24.59 # This means that the file system uses 2048-byte *logical* sectors 01.25.30 # jhMikeS: It's called MAX_PHSY_SECTOR_SIZE, not PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE 01.25.48 # The ata driver reads the actual physical sector size from the identify info 01.26.05 # ah so 60MHz ARM9TDMI, which is probably around 70MHz ARM7TDMI 01.26.47 # deed 01.26.56 # doesn't fill me with hope 01.26.59 # amiconn: ok, but it's compiling with the lock hack too which means maybe I can actually test something 01.27.10 # so we're go on d2, but not ipod 01.27.21 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.27.25 # though maybe the SBR could be done on the COP 01.27.34 # saratoga2: not impossible, no 01.27.36 # jhMikeS: Maybe, although the ata driver won't use the caching layer if the disk has 512-byte sectors 01.27.40 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 01.27.44 # It could be forced to though 01.27.58 # ...on any disk-based rockbox target, btw 01.28.52 # I've forced the use of the caching layer on H10 with no trouble 01.29.55 # So maybe it's the filesystem and no the disk? 01.30.36 # not using the lock hack on 30gig is working fine too 01.30.44 # playing AAC and MP3 01.30.53 # 5.5G? 01.31.58 # there's 5g and 5.5G 30gig? where do you find that out? there's nothing on the outside. 01.32.33 # Yes, both do exist 01.32.57 # The 5G has 512-byte logical sector in the filesystem, whereas the 5.5G has 2048-byte logical sectors 01.34.15 # * jhMikeS finds it odd that "View Disk Info" says nothing about this :) 01.35.01 # which might be better in terms of long term replacement of batteries and hard drive the h320 or a ipod video 30gb ? 01.35.49 # amiconn: so phys_sector_mult would be 2? 01.35.56 # nope 01.36.07 # Don't confuse physical and logical sectors 01.36.32 # what here will tell me what I've got? 01.36.34 # The G5.5/30GB has ordinary 512-byte physical sectors, but 2048-byte logical sectors in the filesystem 01.36.48 # ok 01.37.23 # Just running fdisk will tell you (or ipodpatcher) 01.37.52 # Meh, forgot ipodpatcher tells the sector size (was thinking about how to read that) 01.38.05 # or the serial number ;-) 01.38.28 # ok, I didn't really pay too much attention 01.38.44 # * linuxstb wonders why he bothers making ipodpatcher show useful info ;) 01.39.01 # quick question, what is the name of the file that needs to be put into a folder if u dont want to add it to the database? 01.39.18 # database.ignore iirv 01.39.21 # *iirc 01.39.41 Quit Chronon_ ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 01.39.58 # kk and if i put that in root it should ignore everything right? 01.40.09 # yes 01.40.38 # [INFO] Ipod found - Video (aka 5th Generation) ("winpod") - disk device 2 01.40.38 # [INFO] Reading partition table from \\.\PhysicalDrive2 01.40.38 # [INFO] Sector size is 2048 bytes 01.40.50 # alright and iirc database.unignore should add the mp3 files in the database where the unignore file is? 01.41.00 # yes 01.41.03 # kk ty 01.41.39 Join Chronon [0] (i=vircuser@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 01.42.30 # jhMikeS: Ah, so it's a G5.5 01.42.36 # * DerPapst thinks he should get some sleep... 01.43.07 # so here, no hack = just great :) 01.43.25 # But why does the 80GB need the hack, then? 01.43.56 # Because of the 1024-byte physical sectors? Unlikely, because you tested with the caching layer. 01.44.10 # Because of the RAM size? No idea how likely that would be 01.44.19 # I have no idea unless something unrelated is wrong there 01.44.31 # But then the 60GB 5G would suffer from that too. 01.44.53 # Hmm, but you could try forcing the caching layer on the G5.5/30GB, as that gives a combination you didn't test yet, but the G5.5/80GB represents 01.45.12 # 1024-byte physical sectors *and* 2048-byte logical sectors 01.45.26 # will do. what should be changed to force that? 01.45.41 # Good night everyone :-) 01.45.47 # nighty 01.46.15 # Just replace the detection (lines 1262..1266) in the ata driver with an assignment: phys_sector_mult = 2; 01.46.23 Quit gevaerts ("good night") 01.46.23 Part DerPapst 01.48.03 Quit moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.48.13 # It's not actually a multiplier, it just limits the ata driver to read/write sectors in multiples of that number, and also aligned according to it 01.48.57 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 01.49.01 Part CilliClone 01.49.42 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-18-212-2.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 01.49.54 # still seems ok 01.51.09 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 01.51.58 # all the combos of locking / size are pretty indistiguishable in behavior 01.57.11 # I compiled this for 32MB ram, it should be 64MB? 01.57.35 # No, unless you want to see rockbox crash ;) 01.58.07 # Only the 60GB (G5) and 80GB (G5.5) models have 64MB ram 01.58.23 # ok but that pretty much leaves that as the only variable here 01.58.56 # Could also be rockbox settings differences 02.00.02 # Iirc I did some quick checks on other targets when this bug was reported, and couldn't reproduce the problem.... until a couple of days later I loaded cabbiev2. 02.00.30 # is the bug being discussed the skipping/gapping/buffering behaviour on startup? 02.00.30 # I do have cabbiev2 loaded. Perhaps resume to playback will do something. 02.00.31 # Changed back to a sane wps, and the problem went away... might be solved meanwhile thanks to bmp strips 02.00.40 # *restart 02.03.17 # Maybe that too. I don't normally use that (always start in file broswer for me) 02.03.17 # stripwax: hi! did you see that sliding puzzle is now using the smooth bitmap resize? 02.03.21 Quit hd (Client Quit) 02.03.38 # Nico_P - I did! :) haven't tried it out yet though 02.04.28 # amiconn/jhMikeS - fwiw (if you're talking about what I think you're talking about), I get that from time to time, with 5g 60 GB, using cabbiev2 02.04.57 # if that doesn't add any new datapoints please ignore me :) 02.05.12 # * jhMikeS has cabbiev2, database update, dircache scan and resume at startup without any unresponsiveness or dropouts 02.05.42 # jhMikeS: the dircache scan doesn't seem to change anything for me 02.05.55 # I do have albumart 02.06.08 # (but I don't have database enabled) 02.06.10 # * jhMikeS has that too 02.07.22 # my resume on startup resumes into the middle of quite a long playlist also 02.07.34 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-23-148-240.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 02.08.02 # all the disk bound threads are clawing away for it and it responds to input like nothing is running 02.08.21 # and my albumart is all called "cover.bmp" in the same folder as the corresponding audio file. trying to think whatever other differences there might be 02.09.48 # when I get a chance I'll put on the latest build and see if anything got better. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.11.18 # * Nico_P goes to bed 02.11.42 Join hd [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 02.11.45 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.13.29 # the database thread is occasionally being bumped from 20 to 15 (buffering priority) so I know that's working properly and there's contention 02.20.27 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 02.20.44 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF76F4.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.24.10 Join Mario_372 [0] (n=Mario_37@71.31.237.36) 02.24.40 Part pixelma 02.24.54 Join junzi [0] (n=tharg@pool-71-247-61-117.nycmny.east.verizon.net) 02.28.23 # can someone help me fix a sansa? 02.30.09 # Mario_372, just say what happened 02.31.23 # oh 02.31.26 # :p 02.33.05 # when i turn on the sansa it loads up then goes to refreshing database over and over i have tried everything can i get some help plz? 02.35.16 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.35.33 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.38.33 Join tatootian [0] (n=lol@bas13-toronto12-1167984922.dsl.bell.ca) 02.38.53 # when i turn on the sansa it loads up then goes to refreshing database over and over i have tried everything can i get some help plz? 02.39.00 # anyone know an alternative way of formatting an iPod when Ituens doesn't detect my iPod? o_O 02.39.18 Join joseph [0] (n=joseph@prj-576-169.sfac.auckland.ac.nz) 02.39.51 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 02.40.10 Nick joseph is now known as joseph_ (n=joseph@prj-576-169.sfac.auckland.ac.nz) 02.41.07 Nick joseph_ is now known as joseph (n=joseph@prj-576-169.sfac.auckland.ac.nz) 02.41.24 Quit joseph (Remote closed the connection) 02.41.46 # Mario_372: you mean it refreshes when you boot it to original firmware and then goes into the menus or turning in on once leaves it refreshing in a infinite loop? 02.42.09 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 02.42.15 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.43.53 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 02.44.00 # yes 02.44.08 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.44.18 # the first or second one? 02.44.44 # 2nd 02.45.08 Nick hd is now known as HellDragon (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 02.45.21 # I have to ask is rockbox installed? 02.45.38 # nope 02.45.39 Quit ol_schoola () 02.45.45 # do i need to install? 02.46.18 # If rockbox hasn't been installed I don't think that 02.46.31 # 's relevent here. But yes, instuctions in the wiki. 02.47.00 # tatootian, there's a manual method of restoring an ipod, but you need linux or OSX (or, i suppose, dd.exe) 02.47.38 # Mario_372: You came here because you want rockbox on the player, right? 02.47.38 # :/ 02.49.22 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 02.49.52 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 02.50.24 # i just want to get the sansa fixed where it doesnt loop the refreshing database 02.51.45 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 02.51.56 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 02.53.30 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-61.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.59.49 # try anythingbutipod for generic Sansa firmware questions 03.00.24 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=notroot@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 03.00.36 # ABABi! :p 03.05.19 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.05.20 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 03.08.15 Quit davina ("GNU/Linux the free alternative to Windows") 03.08.36 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.09.00 Quit saratoga2 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.12.46 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 03.15.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.17.17 Quit junzi ("Disconnecting") 03.47.05 Join A4- [0] (n=A4@86.89.84.164) 03.47.22 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.58.08 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 03.59.56 Quit A-4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.02.07 Part Llorean 04.06.10 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.06.33 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 04.07.09 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.12.14 Quit Mario_372 ("Going!") 04.16.13 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 04.16.28 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.16.44 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-243-34-31.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 04.21.41 Quit dandin1 () 04.22.27 Join MobileShaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.26.25 Join amdgoon [0] (n=velixzee@216.36.141.104) 04.30.34 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.32.50 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.2.7-dev") 04.35.32 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 04.35.48 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.39.14 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF43AC.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.40.06 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.40.06 Nick MobileShaid is now known as Shaid (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.45.34 Quit Cannoli ("If You Can't Be Famous, Be Infamous...") 04.45.35 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 04.52.14 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-243-34-31.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 04.53.17 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 04.55.02 Join MobileShaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.56.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.56.39 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=d31c5f5a@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 04.57.32 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 05.04.17 Join WeaponX [0] (i=Prisoner@dsl-209-90-146-233.tor.primus.ca) 05.04.21 # quick question 05.04.45 # song lyrics on a 5.5g 80gb ipod video, possible to view them through rockbox? 05.07.17 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.10.11 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.10.11 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 05.11.44 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.11.44 Quit Horscht (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.11.45 Nick MobileShaid is now known as Shaid (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 05.12.44 Quit Shaid ("*toink*") 05.13.53 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 05.14.39 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=d31c5f5a@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 05.15.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.17.56 Join BrendanW [0] (i=BrendanW@ppp-71-137-110-146.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 05.19.05 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.20.19 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.20.43 Join [b]b_ [0] (n=b@c-24-99-102-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 05.26.01 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-174-251.nyc.res.rr.com) 05.29.02 # WeaponX: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2372.0 05.31.16 # I'm having an issue installing a theme. It's called Crashbox and it is here: http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 ; I've installed it fine and changed the theme and .wps in the settings menu. The background works, the font works, but when I play a song it doesn't display the play button like that, it does it the default wa. 05.35.52 Quit [b]b_ (Remote closed the connection) 05.41.45 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 05.46.31 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 05.46.46 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 05.54.34 Quit DataGhost (Nick collision from services.) 05.54.42 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 06.00.34 Quit Zarggg () 06.07.50 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=d31c5f5a@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 06.09.40 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ () 06.14.44 Quit csc` ("If you can't do anything smart, do somethin right ~Serenity") 06.15.31 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 06.29.17 Join Chronon_ [0] (i=chronon@c-24-20-117-106.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 06.29.23 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 06.30.23 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 06.37.56 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 06.38.14 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.48.55 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 06.49.07 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 06.49.07 Quit ol_schoola () 07.11.07 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=dave@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 07.14.50 Part toffe82 07.15.26 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@83.150.91.127) 07.15.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.21.00 Quit bughunter2 ("Leaving.") 07.24.01 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.25.20 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.37.40 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 07.46.29 Quit Rob2222 () 07.49.24 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-87-182.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr) 07.56.31 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCDC83.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.00.02 Join pondlife [0] (n=Steve@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 08.01.40 Quit pondlife (Client Quit) 08.04.03 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCDFF9.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.09.41 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@88.32.100.177) 08.10.37 # Hi all! I'm preparing the audio file where I demonstrate how much noisy is the player's hard disk when I'm using rockbox (how much more noisy than when using the OF). Where should I send it? Should I send it at all? I think 08.10.55 # the fact of the hard disk being noisy is important from a performance point of view - the hard disk is slower when using rockbox than the OF. 08.11.38 Join gatestone [0] (n=app@wlan.telis.fi) 08.14.34 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.19.13 # mrkiko: interesting indeed. which player is it? 08.21.09 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 08.21.25 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 08.21.33 # i just managed to brick my ipod :/ 08.21.40 # LinusN: H340... 08.21.41 # it wont even turn on. 08.22.18 # This is my worst nightmare. :/ 08.22.21 # BrendanW: all the people here always told me it's impossible to ruin definitely an iPod 08.22.50 # That may be true, but not if it won't turn on for you to make any changes to it! 08.22.51 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.23.26 # all I did was reboot it after letting it run through and search my music database 08.23.29 # now it won't turn on. no bueno. 08.24.02 # BrendanW: I was thinking you where installing a boot-loader 08.24.23 # If the problem occurred this way, then I may not be a firmware-related problem. 08.24.38 # I know that, but it has worked well until then. :/ 08.24.54 # I've never had ANY issues whatsoever. This leads me to believe it was a firmware issue. 08.25.17 # BrendanW: what happens if you connect the charger? 08.25.35 # I'm going to go get my wall charger now, but via USB to PC, nothing. 08.25.40 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 08.26.14 # BrendanW: for how much years have you used rockbox 08.26.43 # BrendanW: sometimes it helps to hold Play+Select for a looooooooong time 08.27.36 # I've had to hold it for 30seconds once 08.27.36 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.30.09 # I'll try that in a moment, nothing works with the wall charger. 08.30.19 # mrkiko: I've used it for... about 5 hours? 08.31.32 # :) 08.31.48 # :( 08.32.08 # rip ipod :/ 08.32.28 # I really doubt it's RIP 08.32.40 # Plug the charger. Let it charge for a while - an hour or more. If you then still see nothing on the display, try resetting it again 08.32.43 # what actually "RIP" means? 08.32.53 # mrkiko: rest in peace 08.33.10 # :) 08.33.20 # BrendanW: what iPod do you have? 08.33.51 # As mentioned, it *is* practically impossible to brick an ipod 08.33.58 # I have a 5.5g Video. It was fully charged when I held Play to restart it, and it wouldn't boot up. 08.34.50 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 08.35.03 # amiconn: if I happen to have an iPod i will demonstrate that it's not so impossible :) 08.35.05 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 08.35.33 # and I know I will do it unvoluntarily 08.35.35 # :) 08.36.00 # mrkiko: Of course you can damage it physically - that I wouldn't call bricking though 08.36.29 # :) 08.36.49 # Mine is 100% fine physically. No damage whatsoever. Eek! 08.36.50 Join dberg918 [0] (n=8102f0c7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-68894251e87bb109) 08.36.52 # No... I was talking about a "software bricking" 08.37.19 # I was told that aniway the iRiver H3x0 serie is the eaasiest to brick 08.37.46 # BrendanW: aniway an electrical damage may be possible. 08.37.55 # Hi, I'm looking to gain write access for the wiki, I have a WPS I wanted to share with the community 08.38.16 # * jhMikeS had that happen a couple times and fiddled around and somehow brought it back 08.38.36 # jhMikeS: ??? 08.38.39 # the front page of the wiki says I needed to come here for permission... 08.40.07 # mrkiko: It got stuck so reset wouldn't bring it back. I think I used the hold switch or something. 08.40.13 # dberg918: wikiname? 08.40.52 # DaveBerg 08.40.59 # hang on 08.42.11 # BrendanW: Did you try flicking the Hold switch on then off and then doing the reset key combination? 08.42.22 # I did. 08.42.38 # jhMikeS: Sometimes the buttons don't want to react, it seems. Flipping the hold switch on & off once should fix that 08.42.48 # Have you tried putting it on a table first and then holding the keys very still for over a minute? 08.43.10 # BrendanW: You push 'Select' to turn the iPod on, not Play 08.43.21 # Chronon_: Yeah. 08.43.24 # Select being the button in the middle 08.43.32 # Shaid: I know, but to turn it off, I held Play. 08.43.40 # dberg918: done, happy editing! 08.43.41 # and then menu+select to reboot 08.43.42 # It didn't work immediately so I left it on hold for several seconds. This was all reflex so I wouldn't get blamed for breaking a device that isn't mine. 08.43.54 # Thanks Linus :) 08.44.50 # There is one (very inlikely) case how software could _apparently_ brick an ipod, which requires opening it and disconnecting the battery for a while to bring it back to life 08.45.02 # s/inlikely/unlikely/ 08.45.25 # i once had my ipod hang so bad i couldn't reset it with the buttons, i ended up opening it and removed the battery. that solved it. 08.45.37 # I've had that happen to, Linus 08.45.47 # that voids your warranty, though 08.46.07 # This would happen if software would put the PCF into standby without setting the wake-up bits 08.46.15 # use a plastic card or guitar pick, not a screwdriver :) 08.46.42 Quit dberg918 ("CGI:IRC") 08.46.43 # it happened to me just by not returning from an interrupt (while i was developing the serial driver) 08.51.40 # That's strange... 08.52.19 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.53.15 # amiconn: i thought so too 08.53.58 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 08.54.09 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.54.24 Join disorganizer [0] (n=c2785409@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aa8e6e0c5458452f) 08.54.45 # So far I was always able to bring any ipods back to normal with the 2-button reset (Menu+Play on 1st..3rd Gen, Menu+Select on all newer ones). Seems to be a hardware reset, except for the PCF 08.54.58 Join Christopher1 [0] (n=christop@ip68-3-220-253.ph.ph.cox.net) 08.56.11 # Sometimes it's necessary to hold the buttons quite a while (up to 30 seconds), or flip Hold on&off, then try again on the newer ones 08.56.34 # regarding buffering of metadata and audio data: i think interleaving md and ad reading would make sense (like reading track1-md, then 1st block of track1-ad, then track2-md, then 2nd block of track1-ad, then track3-md, ....) [just for the logs] 08.57.25 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-135-22.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 08.58.30 Join Bagderr [0] (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-954f71d506ae75d1) 09.02.54 # @nicop: i forgot to mention your name in my comment above, hope you read the logs :-) 09.02.56 # * amiconn thinks just reading stuff in order would be KISS 09.03.29 # I.e. track 1 metadata -track 1 autio - track2 metadata - track 2 audio etc 09.04.18 # but propably loading it interleaved would be faster to fill the md-entries and speed up skipping :-) especially for those who seem to skip through tracklists often 09.04.32 # and with large mp3 files 09.04.55 # Why do you need the metadata faster than the audio? That makes no sense 09.05.10 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 09.05.58 # Reading in sequence causes less seeking on disk, i.e. less noise and faster access overall 09.06.18 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-90.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.06.38 # it's possible atm to desync metadata from the currently playing track and skipping backward even moves to the next track in the wps then it moves back 09.06.39 # (with the exception of metadata located at the end of a file - a braindead concept, but some tagging formats use it) 09.07.29 # the question is: why does playback only start if md exists? wouldnt it make more sense to start playback without md? 09.07.43 # that way the md could be filled even when at the end of the track. 09.07.52 # it would also be a good idea to not open the file for metadata and then again for buffering but once instead 09.08.25 # Metadata at the end of the file could be read after the audio for all but the first track 09.08.51 # but why do we need id3 data before playback? the display of the wps could be updated later 09.09.01 # Actually not all, but all *fully buffered* tracks except the first 09.09.23 # disorganizer: "later" in this case could mean several seconds later, which would be bad imho 09.09.54 # codecs require metadata to be loaded prior to decoding anyway 09.10.08 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=jon-kha@83.150.91.127) 09.11.27 Quit ChristopherW (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.12.43 # under this preconditions ... i must admit that sequential reading would be best. even if skipping time goes up (i dont care about it anyways because i rarely skip). 09.12.52 Part Jon-Kha ("[IRSSI] Mike Tyson says Irssi BITES! Do you HEAR what I'm saying?!") 09.13.01 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@83.150.91.127) 09.13.18 # * disorganizer is afk for some minutes 09.13.25 Nick disorganizer is now known as dis-afk (n=c2785409@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aa8e6e0c5458452f) 09.14.32 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 09.15.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.20.54 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.24.03 Join petur2 [0] (n=petur@ip-212-239-214-166.dsl-static.scarlet.be) 09.28.07 # TowerOfRockbox is slowly becoming our best wiki page! ;-) 09.31.32 Quit jhulst_ ("Konversation terminated!") 09.32.10 # hehe 09.35.07 Join DavidS1 [0] (n=Tordre@n098h202.wsr.mun.ca) 09.37.02 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 09.39.29 # * Llorean added his personal tower, though a few members may be questionable for qualification. 09.39.43 # naw...nothing others havent done 09.40.14 # we'll split it into "clean" and "unclean" towels uh towers one day :-P 09.40.38 # by that time, hopefully the "unclean" will be fully ported ;) 09.41.12 # the grey area is broken units or pieces of targets that have rockbox ports... 09.41.38 Quit petur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.41.40 # we need a 22 page document describing the rules! 09.42.04 # * Bagderr needs more coffee obviously 09.43.16 # Reminds me of the good, the bad and the ugly. Some linux playback framework categorises its plugins that way (gstreamer?) 09.43.32 # * petur2 noticed flight prices gone up :( delaying that date costs money... 09.43.44 Nick petur2 is now known as petur (n=petur@ip-212-239-214-166.dsl-static.scarlet.be) 09.45.15 Quit Chronon_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031100]") 09.49.18 # has there been any talk on gevaerts' proposed list of gsoc qualification tasks? 09.50.24 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.50.31 Quit DavidSG (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.51.53 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 09.53.38 Join DavidSG [0] (n=Tordre@n098h202.wsr.mun.ca) 09.54.56 # Nico_P: Should I also reply, not being a mentor? 09.55.13 # markun: sure, feel free. we need ideas 09.55.24 # indeed, mentor or not doesn't really matter 09.55.36 # I should escape from here - going to lab... at later! 09.55.37 Quit mrkiko ("leaving") 09.56.42 # it's not in the list but we also need a qual task for the resampler proposal 09.57.06 # what exactly is a qualification task? 09.57.53 # LinusN: you have a PM if you didnt notice... 09.58.06 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 09.58.15 # jhMikeS: something neither too hard nor too easy, that should show us the level of the student and get him acquainted with our environment 09.58.45 # and possibly help us pick one of the students that have opted for the same project 10.02.32 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-182.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 10.04.03 Join Tomkiewicz [0] (n=Tomkiewi@156.17.166.91) 10.06.04 # should I just add my own +1 0 and -1 to the scores in the email? 10.06.31 # hi, when I want to make patch and use "diff -c file1.c file2.c" i get ugly output with "!" chars instead of "+"/"-" on beginning of changed lines - what command should i use to make good patch under linux? 10.06.41 # markun: no need for that imo, I think we should do a committers vote on them soonish 10.06.52 # agreed 10.06.55 # ok 10.07.14 # we just need some more info/details on the students (in)abilities 10.07.54 # Tomkiewicz: try -u 10.08.02 # * Nico_P leaves for school 10.08.04 # maybe we can ask them all to be able to build rockbox? 10.08.05 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.08.15 # in preparation of the task that is 10.08.24 Quit DavidS1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.08.53 # even that took my student quite a while last year :( 10.09.00 Quit cg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.09.34 # markun: thanks, it works :) 10.09.42 # It would be useful for them to hit the ground running. 10.09.55 # I mean, having a working build environment in place 10.10.17 Join cg [0] (n=cromos@dsl-olubrasgw1-ff8fc100-80.dhcp.inet.fi) 10.10.55 # Urgh, I just updated and now I see the bad back-skip behaviour too 10.11.10 # I thought I already had the current playback.c, but maybe not... 10.12.27 # do w have e-mail addresses for all students or an easy way to communicate? 10.13.03 # petur: I can see their addresses in their applications 10.13.09 # Is there a way for non-mentors to view the applications? 10.13.19 # pondlife: no, they're not public 10.13.24 # OK 10.13.33 # Bagderr: I figure we need a fast way of communicating because there is little time 10.13.44 # pondlife: The webapp has lots of bugs, so I guess there is a way in. 10.13.49 # :) 10.14.05 # I don't have time to hack on Rockbox, less still on Google 10.16.21 # if it helps, I can extract the addresses and hand over 10.16.48 # at least those for which gevaerts have qualification tasks I think we should mail them out and see 10.17.20 Join ChristopherW [0] (n=christop@ip68-3-220-253.ph.ph.cox.net) 10.17.56 Nick ChristopherW is now known as Christopher2 (n=christop@ip68-3-220-253.ph.ph.cox.net) 10.18.01 Nick Christopher2 is now known as ChristopherW (n=christop@ip68-3-220-253.ph.ph.cox.net) 10.18.55 # pondlife: it goes back by making sure it went forward far enough first? :p 10.20.11 # Very possibly ;) 10.20.18 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 10.21.13 Topic "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevCon2008 - Updated - see Dev ML and edit the individual pages! | Rah rah rah! Summer of Code!" by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.21.21 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 10.22.17 # * gevaerts reads the logs, and reports that he also has had to remove the battery from his iPod. That's what you get from playing with PCF settings... 10.32.34 Quit Tomkiewicz ("Leaving") 10.34.56 # * petur waits for gevaerts to release DevConEuro2008 10.35.30 # how's 6-8th of June? 10.35.32 # * gevaerts has released DevConEuro2008 10.36.34 # Bagderr: too close to the coming of our baby :/ 10.37.01 # petur: tell her to stick a cork in it then.... 10.37.09 # oh... 10.39.08 # the 6th is a national holiday here so the office is empty that friday 10.39.33 # then again, if the majority selects the date, I guess I'll live with it 10.40.08 # * petur will ask wife to start jumping up/down somewhere mid-may 10.40.40 # :-) 10.42.34 # * gevaerts suggests an extremely novel idea : if it's not on a 'friday-is-a-holiday' weekend, we could actually go and see the sights then 10.42.56 # haha, yeah 10.43.11 # * pondlife is probably not going to make it...:/ 10.43.19 # Based on these dates, I mean. 10.44.19 # * gevaerts accuses pondlife of not following scorche's formatting rules 10.44.31 # Rules?... 10.44.41 # Oopw 10.44.45 # Oops oops 10.46.35 # * petur notes that his timing comment was there before the formatting rule 10.48.52 # Hmm, it's much easier for me to only list dates I can make 10.49.08 # This is going to be a long list of weekends.... 10.49.42 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-088-070-007-220.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.50.49 # * petur wonders if mid-may would be an option as a date or if that gives problems for students 10.51.33 # too early for travel costs 10.53.06 Quit Jon-Kha (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 10.54.27 # OK, hopefully that's formatted better.. apologies for the use of "perhaps" 10.55.41 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 10.56.08 # pondlife: does that mean that you could perhaps attend if it was June 6-8? 10.56.37 # I suspect not.. I just removed that as I don't know for sure and it's not in my control. 10.57.06 # Wouldn't want to lose anyone else on my behalf, but there's a small chance. 10.57.30 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.58.34 # working out workable schedules between people would be so much easier if we all had our own personal relativistic temporal distortion controls enabling someone to go experience a months worth of time in 1 normal day and vice versa as convenient... 10.58.35 # LinusN: I guess if it can't be end of July then that would be my next preference. 10.58.53 # ok 10.59.23 # ze: If we all had that, then Rockbox would get finished and we wouldn't need DevCons :) 10.59.28 # ze: maybe an idea for a plugin? :-P 10.59.43 # LinusN: heh :p 10.59.44 # Surely the 'beast is powerful enough 10.59.57 # pondlife: finished in what kind of timeframe though? 11.00.13 # That depends on how you're measuring 11.00.31 # Anyway, gotta work now, thanks to lack of temporal control 11.00.34 # something would still take just as long for you to do, even if you chose to do a months worth in a day... still be a month to you 11.00.55 # I'd probably be very old... or rather even older 11.02.01 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 11.02.03 # you could leverage in such a way that it averages out... stretch your time for a deadline, then skip a boring year :p 11.02.21 # I doubt it... I never have anything but deadlines 11.02.54 # think of them as lifelines ;D 11.02.58 # * pondlife fears it is his fate to always be a paving stone in every critical path 11.02.58 # * scorche schedules a deadline in pondlife's notebook for devcon 11.03.24 Join aliask [0] (n=aliask@rockbox/developer/aliask) 11.06.19 # Heathrow to Stockholm is cheaper than I remember.. £99-£126 11.06.55 # * scorche envies the price 11.07.14 # scorche: Where are you flying from? 11.07.24 # west coast, USA 11.07.51 # Is the boot-loader creation one of the most difficult task for a port? 11.08.01 # pondlife: I hpe that is b=not BA, or that they have terminal 5 fixed by then ;) 11.08.01 # scorche: Any particular airport, or is that the name of one? 11.08.10 # pondlife: likely LAX 11.08.12 # hehe, I travel light 11.08.38 # And, it's Scandinavian Airlines - http://www.cheapflights.co.uk/flights/Stockholm/London-Area/ 11.08.44 Quit DerDome (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.08.44 # mrkiko: no, but figuring out all the details to actually be able to do the bootloader is! 11.08.48 # although i might have to make a matrix of A to B flights versus A to C to D to E to B flights 11.11.47 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-209-118.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.12.44 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 11.15.15 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@83.150.91.127) 11.15.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.16.25 Quit dis-afk ("CGI:IRC") 11.20.14 Join webguest65 [0] (n=d5d7c684@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2eb3a643ce6a6be4) 11.24.18 Quit blippe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.28.07 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 11.29.20 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m170.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.33.25 Quit ChristopherW ("Leaving.") 11.33.46 # have you guys considered www.doodle.ch for date planning? that usually works rather well. 11.38.26 Join ChristopherW [0] (n=christop@ip68-3-220-253.ph.ph.cox.net) 11.41.12 # The D2 port seems to be progressing rather well, which is nice. I wondered if there is any general idea yet on how to support the touch screen? 11.41.59 # there are 2 sets of ideas 11.42.00 # i believe it supported in a rough way already, by splitting the screen in a few areas and treating each area as a single button 11.42.19 # * amiconn would like some comments on his firmware-level target-specific indicator handling idea 11.42.30 # that idea, and the one where you actually click elemnts on the screen 11.42.50 # I think we might end up wanting both 11.43.01 # probably 11.43.03 # amiconn: Where do you describe that? 11.43.15 # amiconn: "indicator handling" ? 11.43.25 Quit ChristopherW ("Leaving.") 11.44.37 # Bagder: Yes. The icons (outside the main display area) on archos Player, the software controllable ata led on archos, the charging led(s) on X5 and M5,. and the charging, ata, and multi-colour status leds on M3 11.45.04 # also the mrobe remotes have indicator icons also 11.45.09 # My idea was to move this into firmware + target tree, and have the apps just call little functions to set them 11.45.33 # On targets not having a special way to indicate this or that state, they would collapse to empty macros 11.45.53 # amiconn: I'm perfectly fine with that approach! 11.46.04 # amiconn: a seperate function for each indicator? 11.46.42 # A function for each type of indication (battery, charging state, general state (like playback (+paused), fm radio etc) 11.46.59 # ...with enum values specifying what to set them to 11.47.18 # sounds like a good idea 11.47.23 # how about a single set function which takes a enum value for the indicator and a value for it? 11.47.32 # set(HDD, 1) 11.47.48 # actually... 11.47.49 # Would this be synced with the WPS conditionals somehow? I guess not.. 11.47.51 # * JdGordon shuts up 11.48.10 # * JdGordon rereads and notices you said unused ones would be macroed out 11.48.17 # .. not ifdeff 11.49.32 # It would be handled at firmware level as much as possible. E.g. battery and charging can completely be handled there 11.49.54 # JdGordon: for clicking elements on the screen i guess the whole display would have to be somewhat different for the D2 then? 11.50.05 # The status bar code would be independent of that (but could query it in turn if desired) 11.50.51 # Lynx_: the OF of the D2 pops up "buttons" on top of the GUI that you can tap on that works like buttons 11.50.56 # rockbox could do that as well 11.51.05 # Lynx_: depends.... atm there is working touchpad code for the list which can ahdnle any size screen as long as its rctangle... but we may end up going for a grid layout for the touchpads which would be completly different to non touchpads 11.51.22 # Bagder: i know, i have one. this has the disadvantage of clicking twice for everything, though 11.51.29 # indeed 11.51.47 # at least from a "black" state 11.52.52 # Bagder: well, also from a normal state, assuming the buttons are not always present and cover some filebrowser or wps or whatever. that's how the OF does it. 11.53.59 # Lynx_: if you compile the mrobe500 sim youll be able to see how it works in rockbox atm... the d2 sim might work also, havnt tried it there 11.54.04 # use the mouse to "touch" 11.55.46 # JdGordon: ok, i may try that when i get around to it, thanks 11.56.29 # actually after using the D2 for a few weeks now the verdict on the touchscreen changed from 'pretty cool' to 'no so great', as the single input system anyway 11.58.28 Join ChristopherW [0] (n=christop@ip68-3-220-253.ph.ph.cox.net) 12.00.38 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.01.28 # hm yeah but comparing with the M6 I'm not sure which is worst ;-/ 12.03.25 Quit ChristopherW (Client Quit) 12.04.02 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnb078.ugent.be) 12.04.27 # anyone heard anything about 16 gb d2s? 12.04.47 # there are cheap 8GB SD cards ;-) 12.05.15 # the 16GB ones not being so cheap yet 12.06.29 # i think linuxstb mentioned some rumours about a 16 gig d2, but i don' think i can be bothered to wait anyway 12.09.06 Quit BrendanW () 12.09.40 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 12.11.34 Quit K4rP4D ("Leaving") 12.11.46 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 12.17.15 Quit J-23 (Remote closed the connection) 12.17.47 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 12.25.04 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.28.28 Join ChristopherW [0] (n=christop@ip68-3-220-253.ph.ph.cox.net) 12.33.25 Quit ChristopherW (Client Quit) 12.43.11 Join webguest35 [0] (n=d9e1fed5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-695eb671e2493065) 12.43.29 # does rockbox support UTF 8 or UTF 16 ? 12.44.20 # both 12.45.15 # thnaks, because Foobar V9 up writes RG to ID3 tags in UTF16 only, great that rockbox can read it 12.46.12 Quit mrkiko (Remote closed the connection) 12.47.14 # markun: is utf16 supported ? It's not in the Default Codepage list 12.49.19 # gevaerts: well, we support UTF-16 encoding in id3v2 12.50.05 # * gevaerts bows to superior knowledge and goes back to eating his noodles 12.50.10 # if UTF16 isn't included it might explain why some albums are louder than others, as I RG'd 90% of my collection with Foobar v8 (which has a ISO setting), and the rest with Foobar v9, 12.50.39 Quit gatestone () 12.51.43 Quit madspin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.52.31 # webguest35: you can check if the RG values are set in the context menu of the WPS 12.52.40 # if they are not set correctly they should be fixed 12.54.13 Quit webguest65 ("CGI:IRC") 12.55.08 Quit J (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.57.08 # markun, the RG values appear in track info,soI guess that all is OK 12.57.31 # good 12.58.05 # thanks 12.58.08 Quit webguest35 ("CGI:IRC") 13.01.55 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-61.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 13.09.31 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008032514]") 13.10.10 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=d31c5f5a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3e7ceed56e666c9d) 13.11.19 Join mindmedic [0] (n=mindmedi@143.205.215.17) 13.11.51 Quit JdGordon|uni (Client Quit) 13.14.56 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@dhcp-25-193.fh-friedberg.de) 13.15.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.18.12 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.28.14 Quit Zom (Remote closed the connection) 13.28.25 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 13.29.44 # any chance jhMikeS or preglow feels like mentoring? "high quality resampler" seems like your area... 13.31.57 # * JdGordon puts his hand up for one of the RaaA apps, but tihnks others have more of an idea what they want for that than me 13.32.45 # there's only one "real" RaaA, the other is more like a weird dream :-/ 13.33.22 # linuxstb: Llorean: either of you particularly want to mentor that? 13.33.56 # perhaps linuxstb would consider a codec app? 13.34.35 # Did lh give the first slot number estimates? 13.35.20 # I don't think so 13.36.13 # Ah ok ... I would have though that you'd wait for the slot estimates before assigning mentors :) 13.36.20 # what's RaaA? 13.36.28 # dionoea: not at all 13.36.37 # markun: R as an A :) 13.36.38 # it's better to have assigned mentors now 13.36.47 # If you say so :) 13.36.54 # and then we can sort the ones with mentors in the right order 13.36.56 # and ignore the rest 13.37.22 # gevaerts: did you list of students also contain the "weird dream" ones? 13.37.30 # meeting 13.37.36 # you -> your 13.37.40 Quit mindmedic (Remote closed the connection) 13.38.52 # markun: I don't think so. It might be a bit outdated with the last minute applications though 13.39.07 # Estimates seem to be there now 13.39.09 # was the ipod classic proposal serious? 13.39.45 # Not in my view 13.40.25 # can we change our evaluations? 13.40.48 # JdGordon: you can add new evaluations I believe, so you can balance them out 13.41.24 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.42.56 # Bagderr: indeed, but i can't really guarantee that i'll have enough time for doing a proper job this summer 13.43.10 # i'd rather not replay last years half-arsed mentoring 13.43.59 # also, i think making a new resampler might be kind of a small task for an entire summer of work, unless it also entails optimizing it 13.44.28 # perhaps time-stretching/pitch-shifting can also be included in the project 13.45.36 # preglow: do you think the speex resampler is worth looking at? 13.45.42 # yes 13.45.54 # evaluating different designs will surely be part of the project 13.46.07 # but yes, this is right up my area of expertise, so i probably should mentor in some capacity 13.46.53 # I'm happy to mentor a RealAudio codec - I've already done a little work on a RealAudio container parser suitable for Rockbox... 13.54.39 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-185-185.access.telenet.be) 13.56.19 # we should assign the RFID project back to google 13.56.49 # i'm doing that now 13.57.39 # RFID and rockbox? 13.57.40 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.58.04 # we want to implant rfid chips in rockbox users 13.58.10 # for "statistical" purposes 13.58.12 # ;) 13.58.26 Join ap0 [0] (i=kvirc@nfb68-1-88-169-81-101.fbx.proxad.net) 13.59.23 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 14.04.34 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 14.05.01 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-185-185.access.telenet.be) 14.07.41 Join Cookster [0] (n=d1e2240a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-710993f1c08170b8) 14.08.20 # mcuelenaere strikes 14.08.41 # ba buuum! 14.08.49 Quit tedrock (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.09.18 # question: Have they started working on 2nd Gen Ipod Nano yet? Because my friend told me about the website today and I checked it out and the site said they didn't support Ipod Nano 2nd Generation, can anybody give me any answers? 14.09.27 # Bagderr: first gotta fix yellow ;) 14.09.28 # Cookster: no support for 2nd gen nano 14.09.34 # no work being done either, afaik 14.09.38 # "they" ? 14.09.46 # Cookster: You are free to work on it if you want, of course :) 14.09.47 # mcuelenaere: yay! ;-) 14.10.02 # Cookster: rockbox are us, we, you and I, not "they" ;-) 14.10.23 # nah I was just wondering, no thanks, still have schooling to do, and ya didn't know 14.10.25 Quit Cookster (Client Quit) 14.16.00 # * amiconn wonders what mcuelenaere is doing... 14.16.33 # I wasn't quite sure why this should affect the Archos build... :) 14.17.13 # damn, my first commit and all I get is yellow.. 14.17.16 # It's an addition to scramble 14.17.35 # * preglow panics and runs around in circls 14.17.47 # We have scramble for sims now? :) 14.17.58 # sims build the tools 14.18.09 # I know, just joking 14.18.12 # mcuelenaere: That is what makes me wonder - you should get these warnings locally, independent of what target you build for... 14.18.23 # didnt someone offer to fix the MAkefile stuff? 14.20.13 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.22.16 # there he goes :) 14.22.18 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-185-185.access.telenet.be) 14.22.28 # fix what makefile stuff? 14.22.41 # I thought most of what we have in the build system is Makefile stuff... 14.22.46 # sorry, I'm back 14.22.53 # amiconn: that's the problem, apparantly my compiler isn't strict enough? 14.23.45 # mcuelenaere: what's your native gcc version? 14.23.57 # Bagder: There are numerous broken dependencies... 14.24.06 # yes 14.24.08 # Bagderr: had any chance to play with the d2? 14.24.22 # preglow: it's playing OF music right now 14.24.38 # Bagderr: any impressions 14.24.39 # ? 14.24.47 # i'm going to bloody slaughter this keyboard 14.24.50 # man, does it suck rod 14.24.54 # Bagderr: gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) 14.25.12 # mcuelenaere: that that's the explanation, 4.x presents more warnings 14.25.21 # and all the yellows in the tables are 4.x 14.25.41 # preglow: seems to be a pretty decent OF 14.25.53 # touch screen of course having its own set of issues 14.26.06 # but I think they've solved it decently 14.26.48 # Bagderr: I'm using the most recent Rockbox VMWare image, I don't suppose this makes upgrading to GCC 4 possible without compiling it? 14.27.05 # I bet you can apt-get install gcc-4.2 14.27.13 # or even 4.3 14.27.45 # only problem is that half my system gets upgraded then 14.27.53 # and the last time I tried this, it didn't worked 14.27.57 # oh 14.28.06 # so that's why I'm hesitant to try.. 14.28.23 # There is more than one vmware image. Afaik the first one is still built based on oldish debian 3.1 ... 14.29.24 # hmm is http://mikachu.rockbox.org/Debian-4.7z up to date? 14.29.37 # I think I got that one 14.29.59 # http://download.rockbox.org/vmware/ 14.30.39 # mcuelenaere: want me to fix the yellow? 14.31.42 # * Bagderr doesn't know much about the vmware image, but uses real native linux 14.32.01 # Bagderr: go ahead, in the mean while I'll try downloading gcc 4 and compile it 14.32.33 # * mcuelenaere gots native linux too, but is most on the time on WinVista because he hasn't migrated yet :( 14.32.44 # mcuelenaere: if you run apt-get install gcc-4.2 you can see what it will do before pressing Y 14.33.03 # I know, and it wants to upgrade quite some stuff 14.33.53 # * gevaerts has gcc 2.95, 3.3, 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 installed 14.34.07 # I recall someone else having the same or similar probs with the vmware image 14.34.57 # gevaerts: 3.4! 14.34.59 # :-) 14.35.23 # (being the last in the 3.x series it makes some sense actually) 14.36.17 # mcuelenaere: how's the state for bootloader/sim/normal builds for zvm? closing in to getting added to the build table? 14.36.58 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 14.37.06 # Sim: not done 14.37.09 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 14.37.12 # Normal & Boot are compiling 14.37.27 # But atm bootloader/creativezvm.c is just a playground of code 14.37.34 # got to be sorted out a bit :) 14.37.57 # and for the moment I'm only working on the USB driver, because that's a blocker 14.38.04 # ok, well there's no hurry me just curious 14.38.21 # damn VMware runned out of space 14.39.06 # the builds could be added to the table, they are more or less usable 14.39.12 # but it isn't really needed 14.39.20 Quit TMM (Client Quit) 14.39.30 # I see some of the SoC applications haven't had a reponse from the student for a while - should we "ping" them to see if they're still interested? 14.40.20 # mcuelenaere: the main point with adding them to the table is to make sure they remain green/building fine 14.40.46 # and first when it makes sense we provide downloadable zips 14.40.47 # ah, well they aren't really green atm ;) 14.41.08 # early ports tend to be a bit on the yellow side... 14.41.19 # indeed :) 14.42.41 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 14.43.11 # linuxstb: I think we should, at least for projects we're still interested in... 14.43.17 # The http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html link on the front page made my pc crash 14.43.37 # wow 14.43.37 # And again, after I tried it for a second time 14.43.54 # kugel: time to upgrade that OS of yours 14.44.01 # Yesterday there wasn't such a thing 14.44.05 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.44.09 # at least it's a bit longer than yesterday :P 14.44.19 # Bagderr: the iaudio m3 sim is still yellow 14.44.22 # Bagderr: My OS is latest version, too latest probably 14.44.43 # Bagderr: Is that known for old OSes? 14.45.11 # Anyway, yesterday it worked, weird. A link should crash my box 14.45.14 # LinusN: oh how... strange 14.45.22 # 64-bit host? 14.45.39 # kugel: no, but if you can crash your OS with a link in a web page it is crap 14.46.15 # hm I bet it is (64 bit) 14.46.18 # Bagderr: fixed ;) 14.46.27 # My OS is ubuntu 8.04 (latest updates) with FF3.0b5 14.46.32 # gevaerts: goodie 14.46.50 # kugel: maybe it is just that you run alpha 14.46.52 # eww, beta 14.47.00 # Bagderr: Is it crap when it worked until today? 14.47.28 # kugel: an OS that crashes due to a user-land browser misbehaving is crap 14.47.32 # by definition 14.47.44 # can anyone disagree to that? 14.48.06 # i can't 14.48.15 # * JdGordon can 14.48.18 Join disorganizer [0] (n=c2785409@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0f5aaa0ec0b92e72) 14.48.22 # * JdGordon can argue with anyone about anything :D 14.48.24 # JdGordon: Did you read the logs? 14.48.32 # * linuxstb assumes Rockbox isn't an OS 14.48.36 # kugel: yeah, you missed me by 10 min :p 14.48.47 # meh 14.48.52 # * JdGordon forgot the question though 14.49.03 # well an OS without memory protection is a bit more fragile of course and goes under other rules 14.49.06 # * moos point Protagoras and Gorgias to JdGordon ;P 14.49.11 # JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080409#00:52:00 14.49.41 # the parent is the viewport to draw the list in 14.49.44 # Bagderr: I guess they removed the memory protection yesterday in that case 14.50.03 # your vp patch should be chaning that viewport instead of it being passed as NULL 14.50.13 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-185-185.access.telenet.be) 14.50.21 # JdGordon: There are two parents, no? 14.50.28 # no 14.50.31 # only one 14.50.38 # synclist has a parent vp too 14.50.43 Part amdgoon 14.50.55 # yeah, those names should maybe be fixed 14.51.21 # the parent passed in is the one that gets drawn to... the parent in synclist struct is either the pased parent or the default one 14.51.29 # its the pointer to whats actually being used 14.52.10 # which target had the same dsp as the mr500? 14.53.11 # Creative ZVM 14.53.20 # JdGordon: Ok, anyway, I played a bit with parent editing. I get a weird behavior: The main menu updates the rest of the screen properly, the file tree not. Note that the main menu only updates properly after changing the display->update_viewport(); stuff a bit at the end of list_draw 14.53.23 Join NewGirl [0] (n=da6f04e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e6dff305afec43b3) 14.53.33 # JdGordon: and ZVW, Zen Vision, ZVM 60GB 14.54.25 Join DefineByte [0] (n=defineby@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 14.54.47 # JdGordon: The not-updating parts were the main reason I used a second viewport 14.55.46 # mcuelenaere: is eigimas patch on the tracker to play audio on the mr500 usefull at all to you/those ports? 14.55.58 # kugel: thats expected... the file browser doesnt set the parent yet 14.56.17 Quit ap0 ("Bye.") 14.56.21 # HI all I have an hopefully easy question? 14.56.31 # JdGordon: Yea, I noticed that. tree.c passes NULL instead of a vp 14.56.51 Join Hidden [0] (i=piglet@centaur.sch.bme.hu) 14.57.07 # JdGordon: However, I'd expect that your list vp commit made all lists using vp properly 14.57.09 # JdGordon: yes, I believe so. But I haven't tested it yet, but it should be compatible 14.58.10 # NewGirl: Just ask... 14.58.16 # if I want to add music manually to my Ipod where would I put the files? 14.58.40 # Anywhere you want to. Most people create a top-level "Music" folder, and organise the files under there. 14.59.03 # do I put them in the same directory that Ipod places them? 14.59.06 # do I put them in the same directory that Ipod places them? 14.59.43 # NewGirl, if you want that, you have to use itunes or another program that manipulates the itunesDB, like ephpod or similar programs. 14.59.44 # NewGirl: you can, but you don't HAVE to 14.59.54 # and RockBox will be able to find the files there or anywhere? 15.00.04 # NewGirl: correct 15.00.17 # sweet! 15.00.44 # JdGordon: I needed to change the viewport updating in bitmap/list.c to 15.00.46 # display->set_viewport(NULL); 15.00.48 # display->update_viewport(); 15.00.49 # in order to make the main menu update properly 15.00.49 # I'm trying to get away from using IckeyTunes. 15.02.50 # Thank you krazykit, GodEater and linuxstb for the help! 15.03.07 # byebye all 15.05.40 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB41ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.05.49 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3f0092bf6592d94a) 15.05.52 # * Bagderr considers enabling -W -Wall for the tool builds 15.06.45 Quit NewGirl ("CGI:IRC") 15.08.24 # better fix a few more warnings first 15.09.13 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.09.48 # do the archos sims have sound? 15.10.19 # * JdGordon gets his answer from SOURCES 15.10.37 # JdGordon: Nope. 15.14.05 # the archos sims once had sound, using libmad 15.15.24 # When was that?? 15.15.32 # * LambdaCalculus37 doesn't remember that 15.15.34 # back in the x11 days 15.15.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.16.04 # No wonder I don't remember that... :) 15.16.06 # * amiconn doesn't remember that at all, and he does know the separate x11/win32 sims... 15.16.21 # but afaik it was only a patch that never got in for real 15.16.53 # it's hard to remember 130 years back in time... 15.16.55 # i think it got in, but you had to build libmad yourself 15.16.58 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-185-185.access.telenet.be) 15.17.14 # and uncomment a few lines in the simulator code 15.17.16 # * linuxstb has a very faint recollection of working on that 15.17.20 # of course svn has the truths somewhere in there 15.17.32 # it's probably in the attic 15.18.14 # amiconn: is the warning in button-m3.c hard to get rid of? 15.18.16 # In a box covered by dust and spiders... 15.18.17 # * pondlife suspects that adding audio to the Archos sims isn't the best way to start unification.... 15.18.33 # LinusN: Not very, but I rather want to rearrange code 15.18.38 # i see 15.19.03 # The remote detection (plus remote type for irivers) is more a button thing than an lcd thing if you ask me 15.19.39 Join J [0] (n=john@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust297.nott.cable.ntl.com) 15.19.49 # JdGordon: Is it "eigima" or "eigma" ? 15.20.04 # umm 15.20.15 # the M3 sim warnings vanished at least 15.20.32 # they were accurate but funnily only detected by that single host 15.20.38 # pondlife: -i i think 15.20.57 # I'll let you correct it... :) 15.21.41 # amiconn: true 15.22.08 # Quick question on cast syntax: Is "x = (int)y" C whereas "x = int(y)" C++ ? 15.22.41 # * LambdaCalculus37 checks his C books 15.22.47 # * pondlife has no C books 15.23.23 # do they do int() in C++? 15.23.40 # pondlife: "x = (int)y" is C, according to K&R. 15.24.05 # Yep, I think so... I would have used "len < size_t(length)" at work... 15.24.19 # C++ is weird 15.24.36 # what a funny way to pollute the namespace 15.24.37 # I tried using C++... my verdict: I like C better. 15.24.44 # * LambdaCalculus37 is glad Rockbox is coded in C 15.25.39 # hmmm, when i think of it, that wouldn't matter 15.26.17 # I always though the cast syntax was a bit odd when I came new to C. 15.26.38 # It still looks like a confused function to me, to be honest. 15.26.40 # 6 projects now have at least temporary mentors 15.27.14 # int(x) is c++ 15.27.23 # well, a cast is not a function in my head so I think it makes it more confusing to make it look like it 15.27.35 # * pondlife rearranges his head 15.27.37 # well, you can also do static_cast(x) :P 15.27.44 # pondlife: still, i prefer when casts don't look like functions 15.27.47 # and my head is the RIGHT head! 15.27.47 # Urgh,,, the curse of the <> 15.27.55 # * preglow cuddles templates 15.28.08 # I can cope with C++ as long as there's no templates 15.28.15 # Prefer C though 15.28.19 # then there's also reinterpret_cast, const_cast, dynamic_cast. c++ does have its casts 15.28.41 # i can cope with c++ just fine, but template use should stay simple 15.28.44 # things can get hairy very fast 15.28.47 # they sure do beat macros 15.28.56 Quit DefineByte ("Bye all") 15.29.14 # "the most recent build took 4mins 38secs" ! 15.29.15 # * pondlife agrees, then tries to add a menuitem 15.29.28 # tha's 76 really fast builds... 15.29.33 # Bagderr: Is that a record? 15.29.47 # I mean, per build, of course 15.29.55 # I've not seen anything faster on 76 builds at least 15.30.09 # Then it goes in the record books! 15.30.20 # * LambdaCalculus37 writes in the new record for fastest builds 15.30.30 # femlab.bme.duke.edu did a good job.. 15.30.30 # 3.6 seconds per build 15.30.55 # that's downright amazing 15.31.19 # what is our policy on which wpses to bundle? do we just bundle everything that's in svn? 15.31.43 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-208-236.student.uu.se) 15.31.53 # we bundle what the script thinks fit, which basicallty is what's in svn 15.32.32 # but I think we're not really going for adding many more to svn 15.33.43 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.33) 15.33.43 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.36.38 # imho, one of the document viewer projects could be worth trying 15.36.51 # there being three different applications 15.37.32 # (switches subjects invisibly and fast to keep readers on their toes) 15.41.11 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-185-185.access.telenet.be) 15.41.33 # * preglow can't see the actual applications 15.41.54 # only mentors can 15.42.37 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.44.12 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-209-143.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15.44.33 # does the newer VMware image contains linux kernel 2.6? 15.44.52 # wow, it's not even 2.6? 15.45.07 # no :) 15.45.18 # and that prevents apt-get from installing libc 15.45.27 # but I can't apt-get linux kernel 2.6 either :( 15.45.29 # This sounds horribly familiar... 15.45.54 # I tried repeatedly to get a VMWare image up to date, gave up in the end and used one GodEater made 15.46.17 # But mainly through lack of clue and time 15.46.31 # (and that apt-get kept killing my OS) 15.46.45 # I think I'm just going to switch to native linux, these vmware images aren't worth the effort 15.47.10 # I'd have had the same problems natively I expect... 15.47.26 # Were I starting with that same machine 15.47.49 # you mean with the same debian image? 15.48.11 # Yes. I would still have no clue :) 15.48.32 # well, I don't need to care about the debian installation; as I have openSuse already installed :) 15.48.36 # Give me a root password and I shall destroy your OS! 15.48.40 # :p 15.49.11 # I just assumed (incorrectly) that apt-get would magically work. It never did 15.49.36 # that vmware image must be cursed somehow 15.49.45 # No idea what libs it updated, but I always ended up with many many errors 15.50.16 # GodEater's image is nice though, but not hosted anywhere AFAIK 15.51.08 # allright, I'm going to reboot into linux 15.51.11 # see you in a sec 15.51.14 Quit mcuelenaere () 15.52.11 # * linuxstb just notices that our SoC applications now span two pages... 15.52.38 Quit petur ("stkov") 15.55.31 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-185-185.access.telenet.be) 15.58.02 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 16.00.27 Quit disorganizer ("CGI:IRC") 16.02.14 # should rockboxdev.sh work besides in the vmware image? 16.02.22 # yes 16.02.41 # if not, you probably lack some required package 16.03.05 # I'm just about to download some packages 16.03.23 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF43AC.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.03.46 # pondlife: I think the image is still on humyo where you got it from 16.04.12 # Maybe it should be put on the wiki? 16.04.17 # I can't check now though, as "Personal network storage and backup sites are blocked by WebSense" 16.04.27 # I thought you couldn't make it work ? 16.04.35 Join caligula [0] (n=d4758142@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6a0d1ea1f85d7357) 16.04.36 Join perrikwp|class [0] (i=98213489@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7da5497118abec64) 16.04.57 # No, I could make it build, but by the time I got networking working I realised my poor PC was far too slow to donate 16.05.13 # oh - what did you do to make the network work in the end then ? 16.05.18 # Or maybe I never got networking working... can't remember 16.05.20 # this is news to me! 16.05.35 # I just assumed my PC is a bag of shit 16.05.51 # not that it sounded like one though I assume? Unless running the Rockbox simulator counts ? 16.06.51 # Well, I did run the sim, and even then it didn't sound like one 16.09.19 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.09.55 Join DavidS1 [0] (n=Tordre@n098h202.wsr.mun.ca) 16.11.24 # GodEater, pondlife: link please? 16.11.39 # Sorry, I didn't keep the link... 16.13.55 # np 16.15.18 # what are differences with the shared version? what GodEater did cook? :) 16.15.57 # moos, it's a Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon based image, although I ditched Gnome in favour of a slightly lighter WM. 16.16.27 Quit caligula ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.17.22 # GodEater: Oh ok, thx. 16.19.24 # Bagderr: i would be willing to be assigned as mentor for the resampling thing, but i would really like some assistance in case i end up busy 16.19.26 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-211-078.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 16.19.33 # it contains an up to date rockbox dev environment (including the multi-lib stuff for the Gigabeat S) 16.20.49 # preglow: we've already discussed about having two mentors for each student to better load sharing etc 16.20.55 # well, ok 16.20.58 # but we need one primary for the app etc 16.21.02 # i'll just apply rockbox for mentoring privs, then 16.21.15 # please do 16.22.26 # Bagderr: there 16.23.04 # there! 16.25.04 # for the record: I want all committers (not just mentors) to vote on the project order, and I'll mail about that separately 16.25.10 # I wouldn't mind being a 2nd mentor for some project either 16.25.23 Join NewGirl [0] (n=da6f04e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-60f7762f56875716) 16.25.31 # GodEater: do you have a link for me please? 16.25.32 # markun: then do sign up to get you the proper mentor status (tshirt!) etc 16.25.45 Quit mcuelenaere ("Konversation terminated!") 16.25.59 # * amiconn also made a vmware image 16.26.08 # yes, I guess I could do that, but I might not have a lot of time 16.26.13 # Debian based, without X11 at all 16.26.33 # It's configured to build cross-compiled win32 sims 16.27.29 # http://download.rockbox.org/vmware/debbox.7z 16.27.44 Quit DavidSG (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.27.48 Join Tomkiewicz [0] (n=Tomkiewi@156.17.166.91) 16.27.59 # There might be some minor configuration problems though 16.28.14 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 16.28.40 # we need to have assigned mentors and a set order by April 18th 16.29.02 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23E295.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.29.47 # Yes I'm back :( I created a directory on the root called /Music, put in a few songs,. Then tried the Update Now for the database but my songs still dont show up in the database. I then tried Initialize Now and still now songs. The songs that were istalled bu itunes are there and playable am I missing a step in doing something ? 16.30.13 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 16.30.25 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 16.30.26 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.30.32 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 16.30.39 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-212-050.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 16.31.15 # hi, I wants to edit wiki - where can I get permissions to do that? 16.31.45 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 16.32.03 # Bagderr: is there a way to cleanly handle multiple applications for the same project to make things work properly if a selected student goes to another org ? 16.32.08 # Tomkiewicz: here is the right place 16.32.27 # gevaerts: Is a student meant to apply for multiple orgs? 16.32.34 # pondlife: they can, yes 16.32.35 # TomekWasilczyk, right? 16.32.36 # so, my nick on TWiki is TomekWasilczyk :) 16.32.38 # yes 16.33.16 Quit blithe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.33.40 # NewGirl: Did you shut down Rockbox (long press on the PLAY button) and then restart? 16.33.41 # Tomkiewicz: done 16.33.47 # thanks 16.33.47 # gevaerts: that's basically handled "manually" during the closing period 16.34.15 # Bagderr: ok, I wasn't sure if there was still room for manual intervention 16.34.20 Quit Tomkiewicz ("Leaving") 16.34.27 # yes I did that f both operations 16.34.40 # I think there's always pretty large room for manual stuff on Google's side 16.35.25 # I noticed our ARM emulator man has a large amount of projects submitted 16.35.52 # NewGirl: Can you play the files if you just browse to them via the "Files" menu? 16.36.20 Quit perrikwp|class ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.36.30 # I haven't tried that yet, but I will now! 16.37.29 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-185-185.access.telenet.be) 16.38.09 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.38.27 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 16.38.38 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy15.netz.sbs.de) 16.39.55 # http://download.rockbox.org/vmware/Debian-4.7z is v4 of VMwareDevelopmentPlatform right? 16.40.15 # linuxstb They are there and I can play them, but not in the database 16.41.51 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 16.42.57 # Anyone heard of the "bink" audio format? It seems to be a modern game format and a patch has just been submitted to ffmpeg... 16.43.24 # * gevaerts thinks he has heard of it 16.43.26 # NewGirl: Sorry, I can't help - the database has always "just worked" for me... 16.45.00 # there's a bink video format too 16.45.30 # Yes, the patch calls itself "a working demuxer and audio decoder for the Bink multimedia format." 16.45.30 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.47.11 # Bink isn't new at all 16.47.12 # linuxstb: there was an entry on mike's blog about that format recently. I'll get you the link 16.48.04 # linuxstb Ok thanks for trying anyway.....and for the bink search for Bink and Smacker video files its been used in a quite a few video games that I know of 16.48.55 # All the links I've found seem to focus on the video, without much of a description of the audio format(s) 16.48.59 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bink_Video 16.49.07 # i've heard about bink, yeah 16.49.11 # the video format has been around for ages 16.49.20 Part LinusN 16.49.48 # I remember its predecessor, Smacker. 16.50.24 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.50.50 # linuxstb: wiki.multimedia.cx has info about audio/video/container 16.50.56 # I can't find the blog entry though :/ 16.51.03 # maybe it was on kostya's blog 16.51.58 # Nice description.... http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=Bink_Audio 16.52.18 # ah ... hehe :) 16.52.19 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.52.27 Join mcflow [0] (n=mcflow@88-134-3-18-dynip.superkabel.de) 16.53.22 Quit NewGirl ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.53.34 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-185-185.access.telenet.be) 16.54.29 # Hmm, looking at the decoder it seems to store floats in the compressed bitstream... 16.54.39 # \o/ 16.55.15 # something certainly floats in that stream 16.55.46 # moos: no sorry, I have been blocked from surfing the site where I left it from work - so I can't tell you what the link is now. Was hoping pondlife would still have it. :( 16.58.26 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.59.20 # GodEater: no problem, thanks anyway. 16.59.41 Part Bagderr 17.02.16 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 17.03.00 Quit ender (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.06.07 # we should seriously consider stopping the use of menu+select to mean "exit plugin" ... 17.08.05 # can anyone tell me how i exit the nano recording screen? 17.08.15 # why, suddenly it worked... 17.08.38 # confusing... 17.08.55 # mcuelenaere: rockboxdev.sh should work out of the box with the latest Debian image, and yes it is 17.09.06 Join unicor1 [0] (n=andre@87.210.107.56) 17.09.09 # * scorche|sh reads all the talk and wonders if it is about time for him to make a new image 17.09.09 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 17.10.49 # scorche|sh: apparantly arm-elf-gcc is v4.0.3 while 'normal' gcc is 3.3.5 17.11.51 Part mcflow 17.12.54 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3132.gwdg.de) 17.13.41 Join NewGirl [0] (n=da6f04e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ecc61377babbe722) 17.15.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.16.18 # I fnally found my MP3 in the database they are there in can anybody recommend and good and by that I mean free ID tag editor for MP3's 17.17.24 # NewGirl: EasyTag: http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ 17.18.58 # * gevaerts has also used easytag. It seems to work 17.20.21 # scorche|sh: if you update the image I've added to comments on things that would be good to fix in the wiki, 1) the user is not a member of the 'audio' group so sim crashes when playing 2) install the latex-ucs package to make it possible to build the manual 17.20.52 # mcuelenaere: sounds right 17.21.27 # is there an easy way for updating gcc to a newer version (not involving apt-get)? 17.21.30 # yeah...if i do do a new image, i am going to start from scratch and not just build on the past ones...but it is a bit low on the priority list right now 17.21.44 # mcuelenaere: depend what you mean by "easy"... 17.22.09 # I don't mind compiling some packages.. 17.22.23 # LambdaC Thanks you I'll give it a try 17.22.27 # but I suppose gcc 4.x isn't really needed, so it isn't that important 17.22.39 # x86 gcc that is 17.22.59 # yeah...the image is getting a bit ancient... 17.23.39 # question: should I commit several parts of the ZVM port or do it in one big commit? 17.24.25 # mcuelenaere: IMO, small patches are better - they're much easier for others to review 17.25.11 # ok, then I'll commit the DM320 IC driver now 17.25.16 # (especially if they change code for existing targets). But if the commit is simply new files for the ZVM port, then just commit them all at once... 17.27.51 # mcuelenaere: Where did the hmac-sha1.[ch] files come from? There's no (C) or license info in them. 17.29.47 # isn't there? I thought I added it 17.30.05 # hello everyone 17.30.26 # do you have any idea whom should I contact if I have problems with rockbox on my iriver H10? 17.30.48 # linuxstb: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3174.html 17.31.14 # and http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2202.html 17.31.46 # Hidden: What sort of problems are you having? 17.32.03 # the scrollpad isn't working 17.32.20 # even without touching it it's going up&down pretty much randomly 17.32.29 # and because of this it's pretty much unusable 17.32.50 # H10 5/6GB or 20GB? 17.33.00 # 6GB 17.33.02 # Hidden: do you use the most recent build? 17.33.13 # yep, but I've tried old ones, too 17.33.14 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.33.28 # mcuelenaere: I've only read the first document briefly, but I can't see any explicit license to use the code... 17.33.41 # Hidden: does the original firmware work normally? 17.33.54 # yes, most definitely 17.34.27 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-185-185.access.telenet.be) 17.34.37 # I've tried svn rev 15140 and 17024 17.34.47 # with pretty much the same results 17.35.06 # sometimes it's usable for a few seconds after booting rockbox -- but most of the time it isn't 17.35.21 # linuxstb: scroll way down rfc3174 17.35.40 # I forgot the copyright notice though 17.36.17 Part unicor1 17.36.55 # mcuelenaere: Which paragraph/section? 17.37.30 # search for "Full Copyright Statement" 17.38.01 # Yes, I've read that. 17.38.53 # It talks about the document, not the C program. 17.40.14 # mcuelenaere: RED... and your commit message seems to be incorrect 17.40.57 # amiconn: about tho fix that; about the commit message: it supposed to be a 17.41.22 # linuxstb: right, so it doesn't have a copyright for the C program. what should I do now? contact the authors? 17.41.22 # I mean the part about it not being enabled... 17.42.45 # yes, apparantly it is enabled in the mrobe; I thought otherwise 17.43.01 # mcuelenaere: I'm not sure... I'm sure there are other implementations of HMAC-SHA-1 with a clear license - e.g. here http://www.koders.com/c/fidF9A73606BEE357A031F14689D03C089777847EFE.aspx 17.46.06 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.52.34 Part linuxstb ("Leaving") 17.53.45 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.53.58 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 17.56.39 # Many thanks to everybody who helped me today with my problem, Everything is working like it should now (I wish all my problems could be solved like this). 17.56.40 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.57.37 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 17.58.03 Quit NewGirl ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.59.13 Quit gevaerts ("work->home") 18.01.52 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-243-34-31.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 18.03.25 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-185-185.access.telenet.be) 18.06.43 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@ip565fbeaa.direct-adsl.nl) 18.09.25 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-213-073.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 18.10.00 # could someone with gcc 4.x compile this patch (http://pastebin.com/m14822833) and tell if it gives warnings? 18.12.22 # mcuelenaere: The link 404'd. Can you post it again? 18.12.31 Join piga [0] (n=leonardo@143.106.24.194) 18.12.37 # http://pastebin.com/m14822833 18.12.45 # don't include the () 18.15.02 # hmm, my h320 is playing track 14 of 12 now... 18.15.20 # hunk #1 of the tools/hmac-sha1.h failed 18.15.36 # on svn rev 17053 18.18.11 # http://pastebin.com/m4a19f311 18.18.14 # this one is fresh 18.18.50 Quit Llorean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.20.20 Quit PaulJam (".") 18.21.57 Join Spex [0] (i=opera@dslb-088-074-222-224.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.21.58 Join mikus [0] (n=5316ee24@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e1893aa6e432d462) 18.23.38 # no warnings for "gcc -O -ansi -g -c -o hmac-sha1.o hmac-sha1.c" 18.23.49 # and with -W -Wall ? 18.23.58 # a moment 18.24.10 # thx 18.26.21 # gcc -O -ansi -g -W -Wall -c -o hmac-sha1.o hmac-sha1.c 18.26.24 # no warnings 18.26.29 # ok, perfect 18.26.34 # thanks for testing 18.26.39 # gcc version 4.1.3 20070929 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.2-16ubuntu2) 18.27.12 Join polluxx [0] (n=polluxx@xdsl-87-79-50-164.netcologne.de) 18.27.45 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.27.49 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-210-172.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 18.28.20 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 18.28.45 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 18.29.19 # * bluebrother just noticed the "paperclip" tool entry on the DevConEuro2008 page :) 18.29.56 Quit polluxx (Client Quit) 18.31.42 Join polluxx [0] (n=polluxx@xdsl-87-79-50-164.netcologne.de) 18.31.54 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-182.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 18.37.56 # hmm, I won't be able to attend at the first proposed Devcon date in Stockholm ... 18.38.07 # any news from the Berlin front? 18.38.07 Part pondlife 18.39.20 # amiconn: did you have a place we could converge on? 18.39.50 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 18.40.27 Part polluxx 18.43.22 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 18.44.56 # So, I was browsing the web and www.rockbox.org just fine the past hours, until I clicked on the 4weeks link on the front page (by accident). Surprisingly it crashed my pc again. 18.46.24 # clicking a website crashed your machine? 18.46.25 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.46.32 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-211-245.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 18.47.03 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 18.47.12 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@layl001.digis.net) 18.47.35 # bluebrother: Yes, at least this particular link 18.47.39 # kugel: you should probably get that fixed... 18.52.46 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3025.gwdg.de) 18.54.18 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 18.55.11 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 18.55.23 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 18.55.38 # scorche|sh: can you get me a rockbox cloak? 18.55.50 # sure! 18.56.58 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 19.00.30 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.01.51 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-213-083.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 19.02.39 # * Nico_P isn't sure FS#6882 was to be closed 19.03.02 # mcuelenaere: it would help if you could identify to nickserv first ;) 19.03.34 # strange, I though mIRC identified me automatically.. 19.03.38 # thought* 19.03.52 # anyhow, thanks :) 19.04.16 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-223-246.dsl.scarlet.be) 19.04.49 # Nico_P: when playing a dir with repeat set to all the tracknumber displayed in the wps is not reset when the dir starts over so it can display track 14/12 for example... 19.05.23 # n1s: good point 19.08.20 Join linuxstb [0] (n=dave@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.08.38 Quit bughunter2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.09.25 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@67-194-15-209.wireless.umnet.umich.edu) 19.11.39 # mcuelenaere: done 19.12.19 # huh, wasn't it already done at [19:03:16] ? 19.13.51 # likely, but i am not sure what time zone that is... 19.14.10 # GMT+1 19.14.22 # well, never mind. thanks! 19.14.40 # bluebrother, scorche|sh: I can offer free hosting location, but unlike at contactor in Stockholm, it can't be used for sleeping 19.15.18 # And since the location is rather central (near Alexanderplatz), the hotels nearby aren't exactly cheap 19.15.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.15.45 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.15.56 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.16.09 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ec9bd19820079c3f) 19.16.37 # * bluebrother heads to 24c3 wiki to look for hotels 19.16.59 # we can always group up in a suite somewhere...or group hostels close by? 19.17.04 # amiconn: Alexanderplatz? Does that mean DevCon will be in Berlin? 19.17.21 # kugel: there are currently several competing bids 19.17.24 # DevConEuro* 19.17.41 # either way, could you send a mail off to the Dev-ML in the fashion of Bagder, amiconn? 19.17.42 # kugel: not jet decided, berlin or stockholm are the options.. 19.18.08 # I'm absolutely in favor of Berlin. Mainly since I leave there, but also the central position 19.18.20 # And Stockholm was the place several times now AFAIK 19.18.27 # we are well aware... 19.18.30 # scorche|sh: check http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Accommodation 19.19.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 19.19.36 # kugel: several times == twice 19.19.40 # * Nico_P would've loved to attend devcon, but has a week full of exams starting on the 9th 19.20.54 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.21.00 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@91.97.241.42) 19.21.35 # * bluebrother added his two blocked weekends in june to the wiki page 19.22.07 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF43AC.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.23.23 Join gevaerts_ [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-134.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 19.23.29 # Nico_P: similar boat as you -- won't be able to make it on the first proposed Stockholm date in June 19.23.40 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 19.23.44 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-134.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 19.24.07 Quit TMM (Client Quit) 19.24.42 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.26.55 # hmm, 17 people who'd like to attend in Euro. Nice. 19.28.46 # gevaerts: I need some help with usb_serial logf. I tried to make an e200 build to run on the philips sa9200 with usb serial logf enabled on boot. Linux seems to recognize the device, but I don't get a /dev/ttyUSB0 node. 19.29.12 # bluebrother: Versus only 8 for the U.S. 19.29.27 # low_light: have you modprobed the module? 19.30.38 # low_light: (what Nico_P said), and did you call the correct usb_core_enable_driver() ? 19.31.58 Quit MethoS- (No route to host) 19.32.14 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@91.97.241.222) 19.33.04 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=dave@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.33.04 Quit mikus ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.33.56 Join DavidSG [0] (n=Tordre@n098h202.wsr.mun.ca) 19.35.09 Quit midgey () 19.42.37 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=dave@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.43.40 # JdGordon: ping 19.45.15 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.46.13 Quit linuxstb_ (Nick collision from services.) 19.46.15 # * toffe82 waiting for low_light results 19.46.18 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=dave@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.48.53 # linuxstb: I think JdGordon did the same (at least in the menu) in r16812...using 2 viewports 19.49.21 # menu.c.361 struct viewport *vps, menu_vp[NB_SCREENS]; /* menu_vp will hopefully be phased out */ 19.50.34 # Which is why updating the unused parts of the screen isn't a problem anymore when editing the "parent" (which I avoided in my customlist patch with the list_info vp) 19.50.49 # in menues 19.51.46 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.51.50 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3006.gwdg.de) 19.54.29 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.55.41 # gevaerts: yes, I followed the instructions on the wiki 19.56.04 # gevaerts: here's some output: http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/dmesg.txt http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/lsusb.txt 19.56.48 # gevaerts: and here's the patch I used: http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/e200_usb_serial_logf.patch.txt 19.58.20 Quit DavidS1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.58.21 # low_light: you need to call usb_core_enable_driver(USB_DRIVER_SERIAL,true); somewhere before connectiong (i.e. in usb.c near the other usb_core_enable_driver() calls 19.59.28 Join Ig0r2 [0] (n=ig0r@rke75-6-88-164-185-24.fbx.proxad.net) 19.59.45 Nick Ig0r2 is now known as [SDK] (n=ig0r@rke75-6-88-164-185-24.fbx.proxad.net) 20.00.53 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=dave@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.01.09 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 20.01.11 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=dave@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.02.17 Quit ol_schoola () 20.04.40 # gevaerts: so, insert it at line 207 in usb.c? 20.04.58 # scorche: I'm a bit confused regarding your devcon timing restrictions. They say 'Anytime' in bold (i.e. what you cannot make)... 20.05.42 # low_light: actually, where you inserted it should be fine. I'm investigating further 20.07.38 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.08.25 # <[SDK]> anybody's using mediacoder ? i use rockbox profile butcan't get a right mpeg file for my ipod video. any tips ? 20.09.25 # amiconn: better? 20.09.50 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@f053154221.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.09.50 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3006.gwdg.de) 20.10.21 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.20.214.140) 20.11.18 # low_light: I'm beginning to fear that making usb run from the bootloader might not be so simple after all 20.11.38 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-164-187.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 20.12.14 # gevaerts: it's not the bootloader, it's a normal build (with logf) 20.12.36 # low_light: ok. Does it have working threading ? 20.13.23 Join Hilton [0] (n=chatzill@75-165-234-225.slkc.qwest.net) 20.13.28 Nick Hilton is now known as Hillshum (n=chatzill@75-165-234-225.slkc.qwest.net) 20.13.47 # gevaerts: does NUM_ENDPOINTS(=3) includes ENDPOINT0? 20.13.48 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.14.23 # low_light: probably usb_detect isn't working (usb-fw-pp502x.c). Maybe change that to just always include USB_INSERTED 20.14.39 # mcuelenaere: yes, so NUM_ENDPOINTS=3 means endpoints 0,1,2 20.14.40 # gevaerts: the sa9200 is pp5024 (same as e200). So all processor related stuff should work. 20.15.09 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20.15.50 # low_light: then I would guess at the usb_detect() issue. That uses a GPIO pin (but lying here shouldn't harm) 20.17.10 # * amiconn spotted a dead link in the wiki 20.17.12 # ahh, forgot about that. 20.17.40 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008040514]") 20.17.51 # * preglow wonders why tcc7801 has a count leading zeros unit when the armv5 core already has an instruction for it... 20.18.25 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.20.40 # Hmm, no idea where to get the rvf directshow filters from (Jrg's site at t-online is long dead) 20.21.20 # preglow: Isn't the tcc7801 the one with 2 different arm cores, arm920t + arm940t? 20.21.38 # If it is - the 920t is v4t, not v5 20.22.10 # amiconn, does archive.org not have a copy? 20.24.28 # amiconn: aye 20.24.58 # 926ej-s is armv5 20.25.35 # arm's processor versioning is on crack 20.26.17 # ah ok 20.26.37 # both cores are armv5, so i don't see the need for that thing 20.26.45 # * amiconn still wonders why the tcc7801 combines 2 different arm cores which are so close in specs 20.26.50 # having to write then read from a memory location is waaaay slower than just calling clz 20.26.52 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.27.01 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.27.25 # it's probably just reused from other cores which use lower specced cpus, though 20.27.33 # amiconn: for the same reason portalplayer used two cores? 20.27.37 # amiconn: Is this what you're looking for? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/VideoDirectShow/RvfMux.zip 20.27.41 Join ChristopherW [0] (n=christop@ip68-3-220-253.ph.ph.cox.net) 20.29.29 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@77-99-112-231.cable.ubr16.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.29.42 # LambdaCalculus37: Oh, so it's there. 20.29.58 # UsefulTools has a dead external link 20.30.04 # * amiconn goes to edit that 20.32.16 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 20.32.32 Quit Christopher1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.32.36 Quit ChristopherW (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.33.04 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@91.97.241.67) 20.35.10 Quit Hillshum ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]") 20.36.01 # does the ipod mini have rockboy? 20.36.24 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpne045.ugent.be) 20.37.02 # nope 20.37.11 # So far nobody implemented the necessary scaling 20.37.21 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 20.37.59 # Same goes for the fullsize greyscale ipods - rockboy is only available for all (?) colour targets, plus iriver H1x0 and iaudio M5 20.38.24 # Plus archos recorder, but that can only be called experimenatl 20.38.42 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 20.39.42 # thanks 20.41.19 # <[SDK]> any help to encode video with mediacoder ? :o 20.41.49 # amiconn: VERY experimental. :) 20.42.09 # * LambdaCalculus37 remembered how slow Rockboy was on the JBR when he first tried it 20.42.25 Join linuxstb [0] (n=dave@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.43.19 # [SDK]: there are multiple ways to encode videos...try ffmpeg 20.43.21 # LambdaCalculus37: yeah. Around 2 fps - and you can't recognise much because of the rather brutal downscaling 20.44.02 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.44.15 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 20.44.18 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@ip565fbeaa.direct-adsl.nl) 20.50.05 Quit MethoS-- (No route to host) 20.50.46 # looks like our current slot count is posted 20.51.11 # LambdaCalculus37: There are still HCl's beginnings of a dynamic recompilation engine for rockboy, which nobody ever picked up again.. 20.53.18 Quit [SDK] ("Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de") 20.53.18 # amiconn: I can look through some of the code and see what's there, but I can't guarantee anything coming out of it. My coding skills are still kind of "meh", for lack of a better term. 20.54.55 # rockboy still needs lots of work to reach its full potential, if you ask me :/ 20.57.42 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=dave@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.58.16 # gevaerts: still the same...no /dev/ttyUSB. A /dev/usbdev2.2_ep00 does appear. 20.59.40 # low_light: did you just modprobe usbserial, or did you specify the correct vendor and product ?