--- Log for 01.05.108 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 29 days and 18 hours ago 00.02.58 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.04.27 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.04.45 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.07.22 Quit styleism (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.08.52 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/") 00.10.21 Join ISPgeek [0] (i=ISPgeek@6532158hfc168.tampabay.res.rr.com) 00.10.52 Part ISPgeek 00.13.35 Quit barrywardell () 00.16.39 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 00.16.50 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.21.18 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 00.22.05 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.23.01 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.25.11 Join tedr0ck [0] (n=tedrock@d235-144-17.home1.cgocable.net) 00.27.34 Quit tedrock (Nick collision from services.) 00.28.01 Quit tedr0ck (Client Quit) 00.28.13 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-144-17.home1.cgocable.net) 00.30.45 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 00.30.55 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.35.15 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.36.48 # JdGordon: I've put together a simple test_touchpad plugin ( http://www.pastebin.ca/1003385 ). Could you take a look and I'll commit if it's ok? It might help in debugging some of the glitches I'm seeing. 00.37.00 Quit tedrock (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.37.02 # I'll pick up any comments tomorrow as I'm out of here for the night. 00.37.06 # hey 00.37.17 # ok, ill look at it later this arvo 00.37.30 # it's really quite simple, but effective I think 00.37.38 # see ya. 00.37.40 Quit shotofadds ("Leaving") 00.38.44 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-144-17.home1.cgocable.net) 00.41.27 Join blo0dy [0] (i=chainsaw@i.will.tell.u.some.hotstories.de) 00.41.31 Join ZincAlloy [0] (n=d9eeed88@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a0147c3045b6245d) 00.41.44 Quit leox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.41.49 # hi 00.41.55 Quit Synergy6 ("Adios") 00.43.01 # anyone had any further luck with the e200 v2 port , what already isnt posted here http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html 00.43.19 # that is about the v1 00.43.29 # see the forums thread for the latest work 00.43.53 # is it working ? because if not I would like to help just dont know where to start 00.44.04 Join leox [0] (n=leox@165-162-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) 00.44.08 # we cannot yet run code on it, so no 00.44.26 # what can I do to help get this going ? 00.45.22 # I was looking on the forum for the v2 link but cant seem to find it 00.45.26 # you can read the thread, as that is stated several times 00.45.33 Join Manoj [0] (n=srivasta@tiamat.golden-gryphon.com) 00.45.55 # blo0dy, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064 00.46.02 # krazykit, ty 00.46.12 # right on top in the New Ports forum, pretty much. 00.47.43 # so, todays current build has some issues with changing themes 00.47.58 Quit mf0102 (Remote closed the connection) 00.48.16 # like, the default theme should album art, but any theme I change to changes the nackdrop, but nothing else 00.48.38 # I see some information about the now playing song, and I see an equilizer, on a dark background 00.48.54 # reetting all settings takes me back to a working default theme 00.48.56 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 00.49.01 # is this a known issue? 00.50.27 # Ah, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16544.0 00.51.09 # So I need to hack the wps format 00.53.48 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p4FC244F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.54.01 Join Chex [0] (n=Stefan@74.210.84.152) 00.58.28 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 00.58.39 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 01.00.58 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=4b596e75@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e7d9c7753947f984) 01.01.12 # a 01.01.34 # Anyone know about this > http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16662.0 ? Is it possible and has anyone attempted it before? 01.01.56 # have you searched google? 01.02.25 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.03.11 # I did find this > http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ipod_Nano_200gb_Instructions/Page_1 but that's with a hard drive and not exactly what I want... 01.03.33 Join erillanos [0] (n=46fd4f9e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eb49be5df1165e3b) 01.03.45 # crzyboyster, and the fact that uncyclopedia is not a reliable source for anything. 01.04.13 Quit erillanos (Client Quit) 01.04.38 # What exactly is uncyclopedia? 01.04.41 # chances are, it's not worth your effort. Assuming the NAND are surface-mount, you'd need special soldering equipment to safely remove and replace the NAND, assuming it even works at all 01.04.57 Join w1ll14m [0] (n=william@dhcp-077-249-150-171.chello.nl) 01.05.23 # crzyboyster, try reading the front page of the site to see? 01.05.23 # haha 200gb nano 01.05.24 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.05.40 # crzyboyster: uncyclopedia is the UNcyclopedia 01.08.31 # uncyclopedia is about as funny as a funeral 01.09.58 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.10.33 # damn. arboxWidgets does not work with any of the archived daily builds 01.10.56 # so how do people find themes that work with, say, the current build? 01.11.35 # all of the ones on our wiki pages should work with the current builds. 01.12.01 # http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 ? 01.13.37 # I'm a bit surprised. It says that arboxWidgets was last updated on April 4th 2008, which is pretty recent in WPS terms AFAIK 01.14.05 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 01.14.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g 01.14.07 Join kugel_ [0] (n=chatzill@e178067078.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.14.11 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (n=chatzill@e178067078.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.14.21 # i don't think there have been any commits remotely recently that would break WPS that previously worked. 01.14.43 # krazykit: Wrong :) 01.14.46 # other than ones making parsing more strict 01.15.25 # The image check was committed recently, where the wps only loads, if all images to be loaded, load properly 01.15.52 # right, but if the WPS was made correctly in the first place, that wouldn't be an issue. 01.15.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#arboxWidgets 01.16.07 # I can't seem to get that to work 01.16.58 # It seems to miss hold.bmp 01.18.49 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.18.53 # lol 01.18.55 # However trivial this may sound, this is step 1 and it may require various degrees of violence. 01.18.57 # hahaha 01.18.59 # : 01.19.01 # :) 01.19.20 # just read the new port twikik 01.19.58 # Manoj: Try downloading http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGigabeatF/arboxWidgets_G.zip and copying the hold.bmp from there to .rockbox/wps/arboxWidgets/ on the ipod 01.21.19 # gevaerts: Thanks. You are a godsend 01.21.20 # krazykit: Seems that you were wrong :) Or an update accidently removed hold.bmp 01.24.29 # kugel, no, seems the theme was broken in the first place. 01.25.18 # krazykit: Oh, I didn't see this little if in your previous post :( 01.25.30 # * gevaerts hopes that linuxstb and scorche|sh get the new theme site working soon 01.25.51 # gevaerts: That did it. It works now! 01.26.15 # kugel, no worries :) 01.26.52 # gevaerts: me too :) 01.27.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.27.34 # Manoj: great :) There are some tools in the source to check wps files for that sort if issues, and there are plans for a new theme site that automatically checks themes for those errors, but it's not done yet unfortunatly 01.28.08 # * gevaerts assumes that scorche|sh means that the ball is now in linuxstb's camp :) 01.29.43 # gevaerts: has been for the past few weeks 01.38.14 Join DELL_Unlock [0] (i=dell@41.248.6.154) 01.38.18 # hi all! 01.40.30 Quit ender` (" Top reason why compilers are like women: Miss a period and they go crazy") 01.40.30 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.41.02 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE1E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.41.18 Part toffe82 01.41.58 Quit DELL_Unlock (Client Quit) 01.42.25 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.43.28 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE1E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.43.50 # * gevaerts uploaded a fixed arboxWidgets.zip 01.44.46 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 01.44.49 Join kugel_ [0] (n=chatzill@e178085180.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.44.52 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (n=chatzill@e178085180.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.47.52 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.48.29 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE1E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.50.56 Quit tedrock (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.51.02 Quit bertrik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.51.25 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-144-17.home1.cgocable.net) 01.51.27 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.52.39 Quit gevaerts ("bedtime") 01.54.14 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p4FC244F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.54.31 Quit waldo (Remote closed the connection) 02.02.18 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.02.51 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE1E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.04.55 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2c15faad11f1c177) 02.09.07 Part pixelma 02.09.08 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.09.20 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE1E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.14.38 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.18.51 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.24.49 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=notroot@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 02.24.50 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 02.24.50 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 02.24.50 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 02.24.51 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 02.24.52 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=768aa35f@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.25.03 Quit tedrock (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.25.03 NSplit leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.25.03 Quit leox (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.25.03 Quit Bagder (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.25.03 Quit EspeonEefi (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.25.03 Quit FOAD (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.25.03 Quit kerframil (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.25.03 Quit lostlogic (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.25.03 Quit sbhsu (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.25.03 Quit parafin (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.25.03 Quit Chex (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.25.03 Quit crope`` (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.25.03 Quit Rick (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.25.06 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.26.04 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-189-11-16.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 02.26.05 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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Starts up fine, plays and all that, only hangup is that when I plug it in to USB it hangs and I have to remove the battery to reboot 03.54.17 # Didn't see this in any documentation, wondering if it was a bug in the current build? 03.56.30 # hold the power button for 15 seconds 03.56.53 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.58.29 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE1E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.58.36 # Ah, ok, good, guess I wasn't patient enough... but it still freezes when I plug in USB 04.00.52 # are you booting into OF manually or are you talking about the auto reboot to OF? 04.02.02 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.02.29 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE1E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.03.04 Join dergrunepunkt [0] (n=dergrune@OL79-89.fibertel.com.ar) 04.03.25 # anztac: when and where did you get the bootloader from? you may have got one with a bug which doesnt let the OF start 04.03.25 # Sorry, OF? 04.03.34 # sansa firmware 04.03.42 # oh, OF boots fine 04.03.53 # I got the rockbox off the current build page 04.04.24 # What happens is that if I am in RockBox firmware and plug in USB, the whole thing hangs and I have to reboot 04.04.31 # hmm.... usb shuoldnt be crashing it then :p 04.04.53 # hangs? or the screen goes funny and eventaully fades to black? 04.05.23 # Itgoes funny, for a second, or hangs there, or sometimes it gets as far as the USB picture and then it just hangs 04.05.27 # hi, does anyone knows how to personalize the menu tree? 04.05.41 # Doesn't register on the computer, doesn't change picture or respond if I remove USB 04.06.00 # dergrunepunkt: you need to edit the code and recompile 04.06.23 # thanks scorche 04.06.54 # anztac: i seem to remember this happening on a few sansas for an unknown reason...it shouldnt matter once the USB stack goes in thought 04.06.58 # -t 04.07.06 # there is a way to use 48x48 icons or so? 04.07.25 # that is a bit...big... 04.07.25 # scorche: is that an update that is coming later? 04.07.35 # anztac: it is in progress 04.07.52 # dergrunepunkt: not without recompiling th code... iirc the largest is 24x24 04.09.00 # did u try to do that? 04.09.07 # scorche: thanks =) I suppose I will either reboot into OF for USB for a while or wait it out until the USB stack gets released 04.09.15 # Really want OGG support and stuff, heh 04.09.44 # it isnt hard to boot into the OF 04.10.28 # Agreed 04.10.51 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.10.56 # dergrunepunkt: i was right... there is a hardcoded limit to 24x24... easy to change if you can build yuor own 04.11.10 # Thanks guys, appreciate the info 04.12.17 Quit anztac ("peace") 04.12.31 # JdGordon|uni: I'll give it a try 04.13.04 # you need to change MAX_ICON_HEIGHT and _WIDTH in apps/gui/icon.c 04.13.07 # very easy to do 04.13.12 # this v2 firmware is actually more complicated then it looks 04.13.59 # the problem is the space between lines, right? 04.15.35 # no 04.15.47 # the problem is the RAM that needs to be allocated for the images 04.15.59 # atm it only grabs enough for a full set of 24x24 images 04.16.35 # and how the original firmware uses large icons? 04.16.47 # less icons? 04.16.54 # completly different 04.17.17 # 48x48 is rediculously huge though 04.17.29 # that 24x24 is an artificial limit... 04.17.35 # thats why you can change it 04.17.39 # 24x24 it's too small 04.18.01 # its not set higher because 99% of users dont need such large images and it wastes the buffer whichh would be better used storing audio 04.18.37 # thats a good point 04.19.01 # still, it would be good to have bigger icons ;) 04.19.18 # r u a developer? 04.19.41 # yes 04.19.48 # the icons is my area :p 04.19.55 # great! 04.19.57 # :) 04.20.29 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.20.57 # I have been using rockbox only for a few days, and I showed to my girfriend and that's the first comment she did 04.21.01 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 04.21.38 # the original firmware uses big icons easy to distinguish 04.22.02 # (I have a sansa e260) 04.22.39 # large icons wont look so good anyway because rockbox lines the icons up to the text lines... it doesnt center the text in the icon height like the OF does... 04.23.26 # thats something I noticed, as I said before 04.23.42 # how much buffer the icons use? 04.24.10 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.24.26 # in the grand scheme of things... nothing :p 04.24.49 # 24*24*27*2*2 04.25.06 # 62kb 04.25.20 # 1/2 sec of low quality mp3... 04.25.28 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE1E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.26.15 # but like i said... using large icons would be crap anyway because the text/icon alignement is wrong 04.26.20 # and not likely to ever be fixed 04.26.48 # it's a shame 04.27.49 # because in my personal opinion that's something that can be better 04.33.21 # there are bigger issues... 04.34.30 # yeah unless you're willing to fix it, complaining doesn't do much 04.35.50 # 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wait 04.42.56 # yep, cool 04.43.17 # have you done anything with the motorola patch yet? 04.43.49 # can you review this post and let me know what you think? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14165.msg107383#msg107383 04.44.11 # JdGordon|uni: yes I've read through it and removed all the crap that was included by mistake 04.44.49 # i'm curious about which phone i should be ordering 04.45.21 # and unfortunately blackhawk seems to drop off the face of the earth for weeks at a time so i can't ask him about the GPL situation for the libraries he seems to need to link against 04.45.54 # you dead set on a linux based one? 04.46.05 # is there another option? 04.46.45 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.47.39 # regardless, i think merging in blackhawk's work is a great first step, even if we eventually decide to expand the project 04.47.56 # his fork of rockbox runs on a half dozen targets and seems surprisingly popular 04.48.08 # yep 04.48.16 # which post in particular in that thread? 04.48.29 # the last one on that page where he talks about the qte libraries 04.48.47 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.48.53 # i know next to nothing about linux programming, but it soudns like hes linking about some moto system library or whatever to get access to the device's buttons 04.51.04 # I dont know about the legal issues there... 04.51.20 # if hes using possibly leaked headers we could get into shit creak from commiting it 04.51.57 # yes thats why i was wondering if i should avoid the targets using the leaked headers 04.53.07 # probably a good idea :p 04.54.04 # though perhaps reverse engineering the few function calls actually needed for rockbox would be a good part of this project 04.54.28 # should be easy enough to find their entry points in the binary 04.54.41 # since id oubt we really require that many 04.55.44 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE1E3.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.55.47 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.56.02 Join 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09.38.02 # meh 09.38.32 # * amiconn still didn't have the time when he was around a computer with corel to sketch his layout idea 09.39.35 # dont take this the wrong way... but I'm not waiting for it anymore... 09.40.20 # Maybe it's easier to describe than to draw it... 09.40.50 # My idea has the icons on the inside, btw 09.40.50 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.41.45 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.42.09 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC32A.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.42.46 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.42.59 # JdGordon: btw. reading the logs - the one guy's Sansa problem was probably only that the automatic reboot into OF doesn't work from a running Rockbox and if you try it just hangs either on a black screen or even Rockbox's USB screen and needs a hard power off 09.43.28 # it doesn't work sometimes with some builds that is 09.46.07 # * amiconn will try to describe his idea anyway 09.47.33 # (1) Put he left and right items into one viewport each, which is 2 lines high, vertically centered (exception described later), and (LCD_WIDTH/2 - ICON_WIDTH) wide. 09.48.32 # (2) The viewport for the left item is placed at the left LCD margin, the one for the right item at the right margin. This leaves a gap of (2*ICON_WIDTH) at the centre. 09.49.23 # (3) Put the setting into the first line, and the value into the second line. Center both, unless they're too long, in which case they should scroll 09.50.14 # (4) For the bottom item, make 2 viewports at the bottom, which are 1 line high and (LCD_WIDTH/2) wide, side by side 09.51.01 Quit waldo ("Konversation terminated!") 09.51.05 # (5) Put the setting into the left of those viewports, right aligned, and the value into the right viewport, left aligned. Again, they should scroll if they're too long for their viewport 09.51.54 # (6) Put the arrow icons into the centre (that's what the reserved space is meant for) 09.52.14 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.53.05 # lol @ (2), dunno about (5) 09.53.13 # the rest is bassically how it is now 09.53.30 # iv added a margin between the side items so the icon could go there easily 09.53.46 # and I dont like the side items centering the text 09.53.53 # (7a) (classic 3-option quickscreen) In case of a biig font and/or small screen, so that vertically centering the left & right items doesn't leave enough space below them for a complete text line, push them upwards so that there is enough space 09.53.57 # * Dhraakellian goes looking for the best way to update his e200's original firmware from Linux 09.53.59 # its more obvious if they are aligned to the lcd side 09.54.51 # (7b) The concept can be extended to 4 options, but that obviously excludes the adjustment described in (7a) 09.55.00 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC32A.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.55.03 # Dhraakellian: why would you want to? but if you have sansapatcher it can do it 09.55.17 # JdGordon: curiosity, mainly 09.55.46 # JdGordon: I think centering would probably be good for the other extreme: small font and big screen 09.56.10 # If the items are aligned to the lcd sides, they're far away from their associated icons 09.56.16 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.56.58 # not in that case... the viewports dont take up the whole width/2... only as wide as the title + some margin in the extreme case 09.56.59 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.57.20 # even if they are centered they would be a fair bit from the icons 09.57.27 # Of course you could move the icons outwards, but you would have to do this symmetrically for the left & right item 09.57.34 # why? 09.57.44 # i mean, symetrically why 09.58.19 # It will look very unbalanced if one option is wide and the other is narrow if you don't keep the icons symmetric to the centre 09.59.10 # would it? 09.59.34 # I think so 09.59.43 # maybe we just make the width the wider of the 2 items, solves the porblem fine 09.59.48 # and have the text aligned 10.00.26 # using the (mostly valid) assumption that setting names are always longer than the setting values 10.02.02 # I wouldn't rely on this assumption, but determine the width using both setting and value 10.02.31 # Hmm, but that might cause some jumping... 10.03.07 # I doubt customizing the screen will ever be commited so that assumption is safe... 10.04.24 # the down arrow above the text looks funny :p 10.04.35 # * amiconn still has no real idea how to fix the quickscreen so that the quick method of operation will work again 10.04.44 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.04.50 # That's unrelated to the layout though 10.04.58 # ... its doable... but a bit tricky 10.05.13 # * JdGordon really should have got a ajbr from scorche while i was there :/ 10.05.14 # Yeah, it might need lots of context list entries 10.05.33 # no.. I dont tihnk so 10.05.38 # Further complication results from the 2 different quickscreens on recorders 10.06.30 # you can get the actuall button being pressed... it doesnt have to use actions.. 10.06.36 # actoin_get_button() or something 10.06.44 # The F3 screen can't be operated as expected atm (i.e. it can't be exited with F3) even with the slow mode 10.07.38 # Hmm, maybe 2 context lists will do the trick, one for quick, and one for slow mode 10.08.02 # The quickscreen code would select the table based on a status flag 10.08.17 # * amiconn has to think about this a bit more 10.09.31 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD97E.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.12.02 # does dispay->mono_bitmap() ignore the viewport? 10.15.02 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@127-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 10.15.18 # It shouldn't do... 10.24.55 # stupid brakcets :( mono_bitmap is working fine 10.29.55 # amiconn: http://imagebin.ca/view/H4CGRWe.html 10.30.17 # a bit of a hack is needed for the bottom icon when its only 1 line, but it works :) 10.30.53 # the margin between the icon and text on the side items needs to be wider on the sansa though 10.39.31 # JdGordon: how is the vertical alignment of the side done? It *looks* a bit arbitrary 10.39.57 # its pushed up from center a bit... 10.40.08 # having it actually centered looks very odd on the sansa 10.40.50 # a bit? What happens e.g. if I use a bigger font on the Archos screen? 10.41.01 # about to paste a screeny 10.41.22 # http://imagebin.ca/view/1XYRC402.html 10.41.38 # wored out slightly better than I thought it would actually 10.41.49 # although those icons are probaly confuing 10.41.53 # confusing 10.42.02 # I think that as long as we don't go for a 4-option quickscreen, the left & right options should probably be vertically centered between the top of the lcd and the upper margin of the bottom option 10.42.04 # the bottom line is scrolling 10.42.41 # JdGordon: that looks confusing and with viewports I don't see the need for it 10.42.41 # thats close enough to how the alignemnt works now... 10.43.01 # JdGordon: I think the left and right items should never be staggered 10.43.14 # Just make the contents scroll if they would be too wide otherwise 10.43.21 # I'd agree with that. 10.43.31 # I disagree but I'll try it... 10.44.23 # in that screenshot I wouldn't know what's left and right and where the options belong 10.46.31 # the icons need to be put on the value line if either needs to scroll 10.47.04 # why not have the arrow icons fixed in the middle? 10.47.09 # I wouldn't mind that. 10.47.30 # actually... no, I can fiddle a bit more... 10.47.38 # A small central viewport that was << and >> on the top row, and a centered V on the bottom row? 10.48.31 # yeah 10.48.38 # only when needed though 10.48.41 # dinner time 10.50.27 # * amiconn is running his not-so-regular update-all-targets build round 10.50.57 # * pixelma discovered a weird bug (?) - tried watching a windows written m3u in the text_editor and the lines get cut off after the first \ (though everything is there) 10.51.45 # as can be seen when trying to edit a line - the full path is there when entering the vkeyboard 10.53.22 # text viewer handles it correctly 10.56.15 # hmm... actually it seems too be something else but doesn't look right still 10.56.37 # s/too/to 11.01.15 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.02.05 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 11.03.26 # * amiconn likes the write-protect trick for suppressing the sansa database update 11.04.19 # * pixelma too :) 11.08.04 # whats the write protect trick? 11.08.54 # If you write protect the database files, I think? 11.09.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.09.57 # Write protect the /SYSTEM folder 11.10.19 # just write protect the system directory (didn't bother finding out which files exactly) and the OF database refresh only takes 2 seconds or so until the OF finds out that it cannot write to it 11.10.20 # Then the OF will complain that there's not enough space to update the database, and that's it 11.11.50 # guess you wouldn't be able to listen to the music in the OF but who cares... 11.14.58 # * amiconn wonders what's up with the mailing lists 11.16.29 # No single mail since monday 11.17.25 # Maybe we're just lucky? 11.18.41 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 11.20.23 # we did get spam posted to it since though ... (trapped I mean) 11.22.17 Join ZincAlloy [0] (n=d9eee54a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-321742744d983c1f) 11.22.52 # hows this? http://imagebin.ca/view/1k7W-ZA.html 11.23.23 Part homielowe 11.24.52 # * JdGordon not particularly happy with all the special casing going on thoughu 11.26.29 # actually.. its not all that bad 11.26.29 # * amiconn thinks the quickscreen won't need much special casing 11.27.17 # that screeny look good? 11.27.35 # * JdGordon will clean up patch and chuck it on the tracker so he can work on his assingment for the next few hours 11.31.18 # I think the left & right options are placed too high 11.31.25 # Otherwise it looks good 11.31.39 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 11.32.27 # Imho the left & right arrows should also be centered to the left & right options 11.37.19 # 8553 is updated... please try it out... 11.37.42 # the arrows make it hard to read if they are sandwitched between the two scrolling titles... 11.37.56 # and yes, they are too low in that pic, but dont want to move them too high up 11.38.29 # the items themselves I tihnk are good there, having the 1 line between them and the bottom item makes it easier to distinguish them 11.44.39 # What the heck should this weird wiki edit have meant?? 11.47.55 # The "brick" edit? 11.48.02 # yep 11.49.20 # One can only pray it was an attempt to put a cute nickname on the large, rectangular player. 11.49.42 # But that is probably stretching to find a "good" reason. 11.50.05 # *stretching in an attempt to find... 11.54.01 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdd.ucd.ie) 11.56.56 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 11.58.34 # hey barrywardell, thanks for that sync 12.02.21 # no problem. I had it mostly done already but was too lazy to finish it and post to the tracker 12.03.22 # do you think it should be committed? there's still the problem that it could make the bootloader too big to fit in IRAM and not work as a result 12.03.33 # i wouldnt object :) 12.04.04 # but that only happens if there's a bigger logo than the default one 12.05.32 # wouldn't make me wonder if people tried to customise that too 12.07.26 # the solution would be to not try to copy the bitmaps to IRAM when the bootloader loads, but I think that would involve fiddling with .lds files which I don't understand 12.07.27 # the only thing I would change is fix apps/sources to only compile the rockbox iumage for bootloaders and not the others... if that makes a difference 12.08.25 # JdGordon: it would only speed up compile time. still a good idea though 12.10.21 # barrywardell, JdGordon: Maybe hard-code a check on the .bmp size, and put a comment next to it saying "Tinkering with this can break your bootloader, and this can be very bad." 12.11.33 # Llorean: the problem is that the size of bmp allowed depends on the size of the remaining bootloader. the whole thing has to be smaller than IRAM 12.11.53 # maybe we could check the size of the mi4 at the end and print a warning if it's too big though 12.12.51 # barrywardell: Maybe refuse to put the MI4 header on it if it'll be too big? 12.14.05 # good idea. I'll try to do that now... 12.14.16 # the other thing I wasnt sure about is having the background different in the bl and the main image... but I guess it could be good so if it does freeze we know in which binary at least? 12.16.10 # JdGordon: the text changes too when we go from bootloader to main. I think it would be nice for the background to stay the same (either rockbox blue or black?) 12.16.24 # blue 12.19.13 # ok 12.19.27 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 12.20.14 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 12.22.07 # barrywardell: Maybe the size check for the archos firmware can be used as an example 12.22.30 # amiconn: ok, i'll look at, thanks 12.30.47 # * linuxstb votes black rather than rockbox blue for default 12.31.33 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.33.18 # * amiconn votes rockbox blue 12.33.49 # the benefit of black is that it fits well with the default theme 12.34.01 # * markun votes for black 12.34.11 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 12.37.40 # hmpf 12.39.34 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.44.01 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 12.44.07 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 12.49.14 Quit AndyI (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.49.35 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 12.55.18 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.00.04 # ugh, the calculator makes quite a bit of assumptions based on the archos recorder... 13.00.20 # Well it's a very, very old plugin. 13.00.29 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.07.34 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D341.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.09.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.16.30 # * JdGordon thinks Buschel should bug scorche for the host mask thingy... 13.18.34 # jdgordon: what is thingy about? 13.18.57 # Nico_P has joined this channel (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP). 13.19.05 # instead of (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D341.dip.t-dialin.net). 13.19.48 # ah, i am not very anonymous ;) 13.19.49 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.20.14 # btw, just found out that iPod OF does always enables the accessory power 13.21.33 # *enable 13.24.42 # hmm, great. after one-time booting OF rockbox doesn't start anymore. hangs in startup screen... 13.27.17 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.29.27 Nick miepchen^schlaf_ is now known as miepchen^schlaf (n=miepchen@p54BF7CB7.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.32.44 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet20.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.34.53 # Buschel: That would seem to help justify Rockbox having a setting... Is it enabled or disabled by default in Rockbox? 13.35.33 # linuxstb: disabled to save power by default 13.37.13 # Hi Buschel :) 13.37.21 # hi seed :) 13.37.51 Join xpitr [0] (n=xpitr@apn-77-114-181-180.gprs.plus.pl) 13.38.02 # hello. 13.38.26 # I have an question regarding compiling plugins for rockbox (sansa, arm processor) - would any gcc toolchain for ARM work? 13.38.49 # You should use the recommended one, as per the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page 13.39.20 # well, I've read it, but I wonder if other (for example devKitArm) would work 13.40.10 # xpitr: The only one we know works is the recommended one (that's why it's recommended...). Feel free to try others, but my suspicion is that you'll be wasting your time. 13.40.11 # hmm, my build based upon r17294 doesn't start up anymore. based upon r17196 works 13.40.30 # okay, thanks, I'll just give it a try 13.41.39 # Buschel, linuxstb: I just don't like having to tell people who report that their accessory doesn't work to check whether the setting is enabled or not 13.42.05 # pixelma: I agree - I would enable it by default. 13.42.26 # maybe there is still the option to detect an attached accessory via ADC -- i won't give up this one in the next days ;o) 13.44.27 # Maybe the issue is that if there is no power to the accessory, it doesn't do anything to enable the ipod to detect it... 13.44.27 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.45.07 # maybe... but at least we do not know. and thus there is some room for re-engineering 13.48.07 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 13.48.15 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 13.48.32 # nevertheless, changing the default setting is an easy job. if you are very concerned about it, i will change the default 13.50.47 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.51.12 # maybe I should change the setting to "Disable accesory support: yes/no"? more clarity about what it does 13.52.20 # That implies Rockbox supports accessories ;) 13.52.37 # linuxstb: at least some work :) 13.53.17 # linuxstb: additionally I could think about also switching off the line out then ;o) 13.53.21 # * n1s strongly favours the 'enable' type of settings over 'disable' 13.53.22 # * Buschel hides away 13.53.33 # I think "Accessory power supply" is a sensible name for the setting - it's accurate. 13.54.02 # n1s: I agree. Any view about the default value though? 13.55.02 # linuxstb: it's a bit tricky, but I think it should default to on because that is what people will expect 13.55.45 # default off: pro = everybody directly has the better battery life, con = users may complain the forums that their accessories do not work after update 13.56.04 # * markun thinks he has code running on the meizu 13.56.24 # default on: pro = notihng changes in terms of functionality, con = most users will not care about changing the setting to save power if they do not use accessories 13.56.36 # *nothing 13.56.54 # Buschel: how much longer is runtime with it disabled though? 13.57.02 # But in a way this is a bonus power saving - i.e. something we do on top of Apple's firmware. We're obviously still doing other things wrong. 13.57.24 # pixelma: I only know about 5.5G 30GB -> 30-50 minutes 13.57.42 # Buschel: Is that an estimate, or the result of a real runtime test? 13.58.21 # linuxstb: from real runtime measurements on my (pimped) version 13.59.10 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@124-168-60-36.dyn.iinet.net.au) 13.59.10 # pimped = running @24MHz normal clock for higher efficiency for mpc-playback 13.59.59 # I've put an updated version of the bootlogo patch if anyone wants to take a look. FS#7977 14.00.43 # It now checks the size of the bootloader produced and also doesn't build unnecessary bitmaps 14.01.07 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p4FC24496.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.05.08 # Buschel: So we should expect less of an improvement for users using standard SVN builds, and other formats to mpc? 14.06.33 Quit HellDragon (Remote closed the connection) 14.11.22 # linuxstb: thats pure math -> the setting saves 1.5mA. mp3-playback without WPS needs about 35mA (svn, = ~11.5h runtime) -- disabling power supply -> 33.5mA (=~12h runtime). the more efficient the codec is, there more additional runtime you will have. 14.11.22 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.11.40 # linuxstb: for a 30GB with 400mAh battery 14.15.03 # linuxstb: the most efficients codecs will at least run @30MHz which equals ~31.5mA (=12.7h). without power supply these will run @~30mA (=13.3h) 14.15.44 Quit w1ll14m (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.17.54 # sounds weird that apple gave up on over half an hour of extra run time 14.18.09 # proper accessory connector design might make that power supply switchable 14.18.30 # i've attached my special dock debug adapter and measured the voltage supply 14.18.47 # but in this case, i think the setting should stay 14.19.01 # however, i do perhaps think the default should be "on" 14.19.59 # I agree that it should default to having it powered... 14.20.27 # i will change it if i got my ipod running again :/ 14.20.50 # something wrong with it? 14.21.45 # If the AppleOS can just leave it on, and get away with it, that means we're probably missing one other "major" power drain, right? 14.21.46 # seems i've had a crappy build. wish me luck -> rebooting 14.22.43 # yay! works again :) 14.23.28 # haha 14.23.29 # good :) 14.23.41 # Llorean: deed, but we'll still get this one for free 14.23.51 # * Buschel feared he bricked his ipod with the debug adapter... 14.23.55 # rockbox is more advanced than retailos, and always will be, so i think such a setting is appropriate 14.24.01 # Buschel: debug adapter? :> 14.24.02 # preglow: Yes 14.24.43 # preglow: just some hand-soldered adaptor to be able to measure all pin out of the dock :) 14.25.29 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965E8C.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.25.54 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.26.00 Join Synergy6 [0] (n=Synergy6@0-1b-24-4c-ae-79.hb.esol.dur.ac.uk) 14.26.08 # * Buschel will boot to OF now and measure some other pins 14.27.05 # w00t 14.27.21 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.28.39 # viewported quickscreen adds ~500bytes to the rec v1 build 14.30.35 # JdGordon: can we get rid of the nasty sysfont only strings with that? 14.30.56 # done already 14.31.07 # ? 14.31.08 # deprecates about a dozen strings 14.31.16 # i mean.. its in the patch already 14.31.25 # ah, ok, that's great :) 14.32.48 Part pixelma 14.35.33 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 14.39.36 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 14.42.37 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.42.53 Quit ali_as ("Ack, IRL.") 14.48.11 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@ip565fbeaa.direct-adsl.nl) 14.48.13 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 14.51.36 # on the dock connector the only difference of iPod OF vs. rockbox seems to be a) pin13 (accessory power) and b) pin18-pin20 (serial port) 14.55.54 Join ZincAlloy [0] (n=d9eee54a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-393c648add1d7bcd) 14.55.54 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.01.26 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 15.07.28 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.09.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.13.25 Join webguest32 [0] (n=58e5a3e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3ffe42aa2c1902df) 15.14.09 Quit webguest32 (Client Quit) 15.15.12 Quit desowin (Remote closed the connection) 15.18.08 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f35b3cf4b810ada8) 15.19.08 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 15.20.01 # n1s: is this the right way to deprecate a string? http://pastebin.ca/1003880 15.20.48 # yeah, that works 15.21.38 # will that waste the littlest space? 15.26.13 # That wastes very little space. 15.26.56 # yeah, the littlest you can without braking the format 15.27.45 # basically it's just two id bytes and two null bytes 15.28.04 # what's better is that it saves clips in the voicefiles :) 15.29.37 # I guess once the rec screen is converted we can bump the lang version and reclaim all the SYSFONT_ space back 15.31.19 Join Synergy66 [0] (n=Synergy6@0-1b-24-4c-ae-79.hb.esol.dur.ac.uk) 15.31.32 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.36.01 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 15.39.29 Join lear [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 15.41.20 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.41.49 # * Buschel committed new default for accessory power setting 15.43.21 Quit Synergy6 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.44.52 # * JdGordon decides to try always drawing the QS icons in a seperate viewport instead of only when items scroll... 15.51.07 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d6202170e3ac3092) 15.51.52 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 16.01.34 # * Buschel will go and have some now, it's father's day! :) 16.02.02 # * Buschel of course meant "having some beer" 16.02.08 # bye 16.02.09 Quit Buschel () 16.02.18 # Bye! 16.04.50 Quit Ragnor (Nick collision from services.) 16.05.00 Join Ragnor [0] (n=Ragnor@dslb-084-060-156-036.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.13.44 # hell yeah! 16.13.52 # got it down to ~200bytes on rec v1 :) 16.14.00 # w00t 16.14.21 # \o/ 16.14.29 # I have absolutely no idea what that means 16.14.35 # But I just felt like being happy 16.21.23 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.23.19 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-8.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 16.26.33 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.21.196) 16.29.19 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7CB7.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.30.38 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 16.32.38 Quit m0f0x (Connection timed out) 16.33.32 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=Miranda@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 16.40.11 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.45.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.50.11 Join dudus [0] (n=dudus@201.91.122.251) 16.58.18 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 16.59.19 Part pondlife 17.09.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.17.40 Quit lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 17.20.28 Quit desowin (Remote closed the connection) 17.25.47 Join druidbartek [0] (n=9c11f0a9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fe3623c54403517b) 17.27.17 Quit druidbartek (Client Quit) 17.32.10 Join Davidz [0] (i=Davidz@60.166.106.224) 17.36.43 Join druidbartek [0] (n=Miranda@156.17.240.169) 17.37.36 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 17.38.20 Quit Davidz () 17.38.49 Join styleism [0] (n=styleism@87-194-104-214.bethere.co.uk) 17.44.31 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-220-26.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 17.45.32 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.45.43 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 17.48.07 Part druidbartek 17.56.49 # does anybody object to committing my latest bootloader logo patch? It's in FS#7977 17.58.52 # I don't, but it's really up to the devs. :) 17.59.31 Join nplus [0] (n=npl@141.25.Globcom.Net) 17.59.38 # barrywardell: In principle, no, but let me look at the patch... 18.00.04 # OK, thanks 18.01.16 # I don't understand why you need the MAXBOOTSIZE variable - IIUC, the linker script (if written correctly) should already mean you get such a warning. 18.02.26 Join dandin1 [0] (n=anon2155@bas7-ottawa23-1088834472.dsl.bell.ca) 18.03.28 # it doesn't seem to though 18.07.53 # ah, is it because boot.lds doesn't specify the length of IRAM? 18.09.19 # I think so. I'm not an expert on lds files, but apps.lds has a MEMORY section, defining the start addresses and lengths of memory blocks - boot.lds doesn't. 18.09.35 # You probably also need to add "> IRAM" to each of the sections 18.10.47 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 18.10.55 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 18.11.02 Join hd [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 18.11.28 Nick hd is now known as HellDragon (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 18.11.48 # I'm just trying that now. I don't know much about .lds files, but I'll see what I can do 18.14.02 # ok, think I have that working now 18.14.19 # apparently from #ipodlinux there has been some development on the 5g serial 18.14.26 Quit K4rP4D ("Leaving") 18.15.05 # More progress than LinusN made? 18.15.53 # not sure 18.17.14 # i cannot remember LinusN's progress, but this is what i see in the channel: < rpress> Allright, I've got the 5G serial port working, TX & RX. If someone else wants to commit it to CVS that would be great. 18.18.04 # Hmmm... 18.19.25 # * LambdaCalculus37 doesn't remember LinusN's progress on the 5G serial either 18.19.38 # scorche|sh: We can always take a look at it when they finally commit. 18.20.04 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8624 18.20.27 # It sounds like it's got a bit more than just TX/RX 18.20.39 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.20.53 # Llorean: Thanks... kinda forgot there was a patch in Flyspray already. 18.23.43 Quit styleism (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.24.01 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 18.24.12 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 18.26.39 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 18.27.39 # linuxstb: thanks for the tip. Another update posted if you have a chance to take a look 18.32.54 # barrywardell: I've just noticed - the patch is just for the e200? 18.33.59 # yes, for now. I can make the same changes for other targets easily 18.35.45 Join mrkiko [0] (n=pv@adsl-ull-85-33.47-151.net24.it) 18.36.11 # for pp bootloaders, it should be just a matter of defining HAVE_BOOTLOADER_LOGO 18.36.22 # Apart from ipods... 18.36.29 # yeah 18.37.11 # Do we need a new #define? If you moved the showlogo.c function to its own C file, then you could just do it on a bootloader by bootloader basis, without needing to add a new #define. 18.39.26 # true, but then we can't differentiate between different bootloaders of the same type, eg. all bootloaders that use main-pp.c would have to have it enabled at the same time 18.42.45 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 18.45.35 # Is that a problem though? 18.48.12 # Maybe not, I just though it would be better to have a choice per-target 18.51.21 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.03.24 Part toffe82 19.05.25 # I'll commit the lds fix 19.05.30 # anyway 19.05.50 # is it just h10, mrobe, ipod and sansa that need it? 19.06.49 # Those are the only PP targets that we have. 19.07.11 # ok, great. 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In that case, maybe amiconn or petur can get the USB PID; they both have the 5/6GB H10. 20.10.46 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.11.51 # I'm also wondering why there is an entry for "5GB MTP" and "5/6GB MTP" 20.11.56 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.12.15 # rbutil should be able to detect if the h10 is in mtp mode and inform the user too ... if it's possible 20.12.45 # That would be nice. 20.13.06 # bluebrother: you could get the configuration descriptor and use that 20.13.28 Quit ch4os_ ("w drodze na lepszy serwer") 20.13.43 # gevaerts: it would be easier if the PIDs differ -- rbutil already can do that ;-) 20.14.12 # I'd need to figure out how to get those USB strings on w32 ... and I really hate w32api 20.14.21 # bluebrother: of course, but if they don't differ... 20.14.39 # right. Let's hope they differ ;-) 20.15.13 # btw, do you know how I can retrieve the device string on w32? It would be nice if I could show it to the user if an unsupported player is detected. 20.15.48 # No idea. 20.16.06 # * gevaerts doesn't know high-level USB APIs 20.17.26 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 20.21.20 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98214858@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-df2e59c07964bfc0) 20.22.41 Quit ch4os_ ("leaving") 20.22.52 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 20.26.42 # if I draw a rectangle with DRMODE_SOLID, and then try to put text with putsxy in DRMODE_SOLID|DRMODE_INVERSE the text is invisible... how should i do this? 20.27.09 Quit Dhraakellian ("Rebooting to Hardy Heron") 20.27.51 # o 20.29.46 Part Manoj ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 20.29.52 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.30.03 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 20.35.03 # bluebrother: Once gigabeast installation is added to rbutil, rbutil will have knowledge of attached MTP devices - so maybe that could help (if USB PIDs don't). 20.35.34 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.35.40 # linuxstb_: Ditto for the ZVM. 20.36.01 # * LambdaCalculus37 redirects that to linuxstb 20.36.05 # :) 20.36.07 # LambdaCalculus37: Does that also use sendfirm (or something similar)/ 20.38.02 # linuxstb: I believe mcuelenaere had mentioned using sendfirm to send a patched firmware as well. 20.38.09 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967C3F.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.38.49 Quit spiorf ("Non so cosa voglio, ma lo riconosco se lo vedo") 20.39.03 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host13-217-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.39.08 # linuxstb: No, scratch that. 20.39.27 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZVMPort#Upload_Code_To_The_Player 20.40.41 # linuxstb: in terms of we need MTP support for the beast? 20.41.00 # ah, I got it to work :) 20.41.13 # n1s: Got what to work? 20.41.35 # bluebrother: Yes. 20.41.56 # linuxstb: For the initiall install, we need MTP support, correct? 20.42.37 # LambdaCalculus37: the textdrawing I asked about 20.43.07 # Yes. On Linux/Mac, libmtp will do the job (I'm assuming it will be fine on the Mac), but on Windows I think someone will need to work out the native win32 MTP API. 20.43.57 # n1s: Ahh. 20.44.18 # * LambdaCalculus37 is still working on the Gigabeat S manual 20.44.34 # Can't do an install chapter without a finalized install method. 20.45.37 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 20.45.52 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.46.03 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 20.46.25 # IIUC, the Gigabeast install procedure will be 1) Upload firmware file via MTP (either a 100% pure Rockbox image - easy, or a combined OF/Rockbox image - harder, given the OF isn't easily available). This will contain the Rockbox bootloader. The user will then need to disconnect and reboot into the Rockbox bootloader, which will detect there is no rockbox install, and enter UMS mode. 20.47.33 Quit petur ("burps...") 20.48.08 # would we be able to install the bootloader on other mtp player via mtp upload? 20.49.27 # bluebrother: We should ask mcuelenaere about the ZVM when he comes on. That's the only other MTP-only device that I can think of that we have a port in the works for. 20.50.03 # LambdaCalculus37: well, my idea was to upload the bootloader to players like the h10mtp directly -- without using the ums trick. 20.50.26 # but I have no idea if this is possible with mtp. I don't know mtp and have no such device ... 20.50.47 # bluebrother: I only have two MTP-only devices: my Gigabeast and my Dell DJ. 20.51.18 # And the Dell DJ (whenever I can finally sit down and write code for) may work like the ZVM does in terms of patching the firmware and uploading it. 20.51.39 # (Bootloader, I mean...) 20.51.45 # bluebrother: I've no idea if that would work or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did. 20.52.40 # hmm, how does sendfirm work right now? Does it use libmtp / libgphoto2? 20.52.57 # * bluebrother heads to the svn checkout ... 20.52.58 # Just libmtp I think. 20.53.24 # But libmtp works on top of libusb - which doesn't work nicely with Windows. 20.53.40 # dang. 20.53.49 # didn't someone use sendfirm on windows? 20.54.31 # Yes, but it's not for end-users by the sound of what's needed to get it to work. 20.55.05 # hmm. That's not good :( 20.56.39 # This seems a good set of links for Windows MTP programming, but I don't have a Windows dev environment to try it out - http://connect.creativelabs.com/opensource/Wiki/MTP%20Programming.aspx 20.57.01 # I tried getting it working with mingw (cross-compiling from Linux), but failed. 20.57.30 # hmm. That means we need another SDK from microsoft -- and I bet this won't work with MinGW 20.57.43 # Yes... 20.58.31 # I'm sure it can be made to work with mingw - the problem I had was something to do with symbol names and leading underscore characters in the MS .lib 20.59.03 # hmm. Are we even allowed to link OS code with the MS SDK? 20.59.03 # I found some instructions for how to fix that (modifying the lib), but couldn't get them working. 20.59.14 # That crossed my mind as well. 20.59.40 # Maybe we'll just need a standalone installer (similar to sansa/ipodpatcher) to do the bootloader install. 21.00.06 # rbutil could even run it as an external app. 21.00.25 # possible. We also haven't managed to include e200rpatcher up to now :( 21.00.31 # But we need to solve the technical problem of getting it working first. 21.00.46 # yep. 21.01.05 # hehe, googling for MTP has a irc log at the first page of matches ;) 21.01.29 # bluebrother: e200rpatcher is still very awkward to use. Doesn't it require a device driver uninstall and reinstall in windows still? 21.01.30 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 21.01.41 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 21.01.44 # * linuxstb goes to vote... 21.01.56 # Llorean: I don't know the details but it needs a device driver. 21.02.21 # If I recall you install the device driver, run the patcher, this results in a change of vid/pid, after which you need to uninstall the device driver and reinstall a new one. 21.02.34 # * Nico_P tried out Microsoft's MTP SDK 21.03.03 # Llorean: No, that was the old e200tool-on-windows method. 21.03.07 # Aah 21.03.08 # one one fo my windows boxes, the example initator program was able to send a patched nk.bin to my beast 21.03.21 # e200rpatcher just requires a one-time driver install 21.03.21 # linuxstb: e200rpatcher just requires a single driver install then? 21.03.26 # Right 21.03.58 # Nico_P: Nice. So you basically have a native win32 sendfirm? 21.04.46 # linuxstb: yes, but it's still very rough 21.05.05 # also it didn't work at all on another box 21.05.14 # * linuxstb waits for the beastpatcher commit 21.05.59 # Is there any obvious difference between the two boxes? 21.07.08 # linuxstb: So we're going to call it beastpatcher, then? :) 21.07.19 # I find it acceptable. 21.07.23 # If I say it often enough, the name will stick ;) 21.07.56 # But if it's going to work on the ZVM as well, then I guess not... 21.07.59 # linuxstb: the working one had wmp10, the other had wmp11 21.08.18 # problem is I don't have access to those machines ATM 21.08.20 # Isn't there different versions of the SDK? 21.08.38 # * LambdaCalculus37 figures the ZVM firmware patcher will be zenpatcher, then 21.08.50 # I was using "mtppk12.exe" 21.08.57 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 21.09.16 # * linuxstb spots a pint of beer 21.09.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.09.53 # Nico_P: I've got a Vista machine ("native" MTP I hear) if you need me to test the windows beastpatcher at some point. 21.10.22 # I missed beer? 21.10.50 # Llorean: unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to work on one anytime soon. maybe you could try building the test program though 21.11.20 # shotofadds: I was referring to your nick... 21.11.21 # also I don't know anything about building C under VS 21.11.26 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 21.11.45 # d'oh! sorry, I really am half asleep today :( 21.11.52 # possibly more than half 21.11.53 # Llorean: I tried it with VS C++ express 2008 and it worked fine. 21.12.30 # I have an old copy of VS 6 somewhere. Well, I've got like four copies of it. When I was in school, every programming competition seemed to come with a copy of Visual Studio Pro. 21.12.44 # But I guess Express is more modern, and is free? 21.13.22 # yes 21.13.28 # it might work with VS6 though 21.13.29 # http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=A2E73160-E862-4F19-BB26-C0CAFE798955&displaylang=en 21.13.50 # would any of the .Net libraries make MTP easier on Windows? 21.14.58 # I don't know of any MTP code in the .NET libs 21.15.39 # the link on http://opensource.creative.com/mtp_mssdk.html seems to have stopped working :/ 21.16.17 # Nico_P: so you used vs for building? 21.16.48 # bluebrother: yes. there is a VS solution file in the bundle and I didn't investigate very far 21.17.20 # unfortunately we can't build rbutil easily using vs -- some POSIX-like stuff is needed that's missing from VS :( 21.18.06 # maybe it can be massaged into working with other envs. but I don't know this kind of stuff at all 21.18.10 # maybe I should get a sansa to have a player with MTP ... 21.18.35 # I'm wondering about the legal status too. 21.19.09 # if windows had an api like libusb ... 21.19.11 # Am I reading this version right? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16691.msg124134#msg124134 21.19.43 # This guy hasn't freaking updated since January of 2006!? 21.20.12 # Nico_P: Looking at the license, I'm not sure we're allowed to distribute anything we create with that kit anyway 21.21.13 *** Invited to #os200805 by duvall!n=duvall@192.18.41.196 21.22.45 # :/ 21.23.40 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.23.52 # It keeps repeating that you're only allowed to do basically anything along with your licensed implementation. 21.23.57 # maybe we're allowed to use their code as inspiration though. I'm not sure whether we'd need to actually reuse any of that code 21.24.58 # from what I've seen, the win version of sendfirm would be much the same as the current version: send the file with the right typecode and voilà 21.25.38 # Is there an equivalent for getting a file? 21.25.41 # so if the equivalent of libmtp is included in windows, all we need is to use the right header files 21.25.41 # Can we dump the nk.bin first? 21.25.48 # let me check 21.26.20 # Being able to build a dual boot image from files already on the player would be nice. :) 21.26.40 # hmm actually I don't need to. MTP provides funcs to get files, but the player won't let you access the nk.bin 21.26.44 # it's one way only 21.26.58 # :( 21.27.15 # to retrieve a file you need its ID, and the one that is returned when you send the firmware file is bogus 21.27.53 # Ah 21.27.53 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.28.51 Quit ch4os_ ("leaving") 21.29.21 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 21.29.58 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.29.59 # Llorean: do you have what's needed to build the initiaro example? 21.30.21 # Nico_P: You said you just need VS Express? 21.30.28 # yes 21.30.57 # Then I could get what I need. I've downloaded the .exe for the porting kit, but that's it so far 21.31.11 # LambdaCalculus37: I've posted a reply to that thread ... 21.32.49 # And I've clarified the 1839 issue. 21.34.31 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-THREE-SIXTY-FIVE.MIT.EDU) 21.35.16 # Llorean: Thanks... it's been so long since I've seen Rockbox use CVS that I entirely forgot about the revisions being timestamped instead of revision stamped. 21.36.31 Quit ch4os_ ("leaving") 21.36.43 Quit EspeonEefi (Client Quit) 21.38.54 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 21.40.37 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 21.40.56 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.41.37 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.42.38 # Nico_P: Apparently I won't be testing it any time soon. VS Express refuses to install, it errors out after the pre-requisites install. 21.42.49 # * Llorean will prod at it some later 21.44.36 Join _sourcemaker [0] (n=sourcema@p5B2DD63E.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.44.53 # * n1s kicks gcc, why does it do different things on different machines... 21.46.09 # LambdaCalculus37: I figured the revision cause when I was out the room ... iirc we changed to svn only a bit more than a year ago 21.46.40 # but it's quite funny how fast one gets used to it. 21.47.26 # * bluebrother thinks about making ipodpatcher aware of permission denied errors when opening the disc 21.48.04 # bluebrother: Exactly. When I first started using Rockbox (2006-12-28), it was just about the time the project was switching over to SVN. 21.48.42 # I had pretty much not seen the CVS revisions at all. 21.51.15 # I used cvs for quite a while. But anyway, we cleard that up so everyone is happy again ;-) 21.53.20 Join perrikwp [0] (i=9821707c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f4d3270aa96909bf) 21.53.43 Quit nplus ("Leaving") 21.55.46 Join ali_as_ [0] (n=as@ambix.plus.com) 21.57.01 Part xpitr ("Oh, bai") 21.57.44 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 21.57.54 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 21.58.25 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 22.03.19 # bluebrother: Select+Play... 22.03.53 # oops ... 22.04.35 Quit desowin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.05.36 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.05.37 Quit kerframil ("boot testing") 22.05.46 # Llorean: dang, I should've realized that in the first place -- I do own an Ipod :o 22.13.59 Quit ali_as (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.24.49 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.28.10 Join thegeek_ [0] (i=thegeek@s220b.studby.ntnu.no) 22.32.45 Quit ch4os_ ("leaving") 22.34.57 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 22.35.53 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 22.36.10 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@124-168-60-36.dyn.iinet.net.au) 22.36.17 # regarding rbUtil and MTP, I got some windows WPD API using C code laying around if you're interested ( http://www.verzend.be/v/1469257/WpdApiSample.rar.html ) 22.36.44 Quit parafin ("So long and thanks for all the fish") 22.36.46 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 22.37.02 Quit Bagder ("*plopp*") 22.37.35 Part _sourcemaker ("Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org") 22.38.44 Join Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 22.38.45 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.42.07 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 22.42.24 # Llorean: I doubt that it will be possible to build rockbox in VS these days 22.43.22 # mcuelenaere: do you know about the "MTP porting kit"? http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=A2E73160-E862-4F19-BB26-C0CAFE798955&displaylang=en 22.43.41 # Way back when we had separate win32 and X11 sims, it was possible to build the win32 sim in VS, but it broke at some point and support was removed way before we switched to sdl 22.44.13 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.163.196) 22.44.27 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.44.34 # Nowadays rockbox is kind of tied to gcc, and removing this dependency will probably be very hard 22.44.45 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.45.06 # Nico_P: I think I tried them all and few of Microsoft's SDK's worked; then I used the most recent vista WinSDK which got me this working implementation 22.46.48 # Who needs mtp support? 22.48.12 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 22.48.13 # * bluebrother points to the beast 22.48.15 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.49.55 # Ah, yes, might be necessary for installation there :/ 22.49.57 # * mcuelenaere hates these windows installs; they don't even tell you *where* they've copied their file to.. 22.53.47 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 22.53.53 Quit nicktastic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.54.53 # mcuelenaere: You don't need to know... ;) 22.55.09 # bweh, I gave up :) 22.55.30 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 22.55.55 # could memory corruption on a DAP trigger rebooting? (context=DMA transfer which requires 32bit alignment, but I believe not all data passed to ata_read_sectors() is 32bit aligned) 22.56.18 # Good installs write a logfile of thier operations... 22.57.33 Join BuddyLe1 [0] (n=Scott@resh1804.tigernet.trinity.edu) 22.58.12 # mcuelenaere: File data has no guaranteed alignment of course, so ata_read_sectors()/ata_write_sectors() are required to handly any alignment. 22.59.50 # and the only functions who access copy_read_sectors()/ata_read_sectors() are disk.c and fat.c ? (without plugins etc) 23.00.14 # That's one reason not to use DMA for ATA on coldfire (the other is that the optimised CPU transfer is actually faster than DMA, and optimising DMA by using the auto-align feature doesn't work) 23.01.25 # copy_read_sectors() is only ever accessed by ata.c. The only reason why it's not static is that this function resides in an asm file for several architectures. 23.01.25 # on the ZVM non-DMA and ASM-optimized ATA access are pretty slow 23.01.47 # Hey guys I have a question/problem with Rockbox on my iPod Mini 2nd generation: when I plug it into my USB port it shows a USB plug on the screen, then one second later it shuts down and has to be manually reset. Does anyone know how to wipe it clean and start fresh, or why this is happening? 23.02.00 # amiconn: yes I know, but the buf pointer passed to ata_read_sectors() is passed on to copy_read_sectors() 23.03.01 # and I'm trying to work out why my DMA implementation doesn't work 23.03.38 Quit dudus ("Ex-Chat") 23.04.46 # ata_read_sectors() is accessed by fat.c, disk.c, usb_storage.c and some bootloaders 23.05.32 # How fast is "pretty slow" 23.05.33 # ? 23.06.28 # BuddyLe1: set the player to emergency disc mode. The FAQ handles this. 23.06.38 # hmm what's normal Rockbox loading time until it reaches the main menu? 10-15 seconds? 23.06.50 # without the bootloader phase 23.06.54 # Alright thank you bluebrother. 23.06.54 # That depends *heavily* on the target 23.07.39 # I'd consider 10..15 seconds the maximum (including the bootloader) 23.08.16 # But this is no reliable measure, as it depends on many details (settings) 23.08.49 # If you have plugins working, use test_disk.c to measure read and write speed for various block sizes 23.09.13 # ...plus the speed of some file system operations, like create/scan/open/delete 23.09.35 # plugins aren't working yet because the key maps aren't done 23.09.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.10.11 # or is it possible to build some without? 23.10.27 # Imho it would be better to try making things work first. Optimisation can be done later 23.10.29 # http://paste.felixbruns.de/118 - 5G serial port. Anyone here who can test it? 23.10.44 # * amiconn remembers the first versions of the Ondio MMC driver 23.10.46 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.13.06 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.13.28 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.13.38 # fxb: i take it that you have seen this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/8624 23.14.14 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c50e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3f76e27700ef8f0c) 23.14.20 Quit mrkiko ("Lost terminal") 23.15.01 # scorche|sh: nope. 23.15.50 # fxb: not sure if rpress came here or there first, but /shrug 23.15.51 # rpress posted that patch in our channel, but can't test it. 23.15.58 # ^^ 23.17.35 # i gave him a RAM dump yesterday. 23.20.04 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 23.23.19 Join plasticfir [0] (n=1812bbac@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3be219ab64bad191) 23.23.51 # i installed Rockbox on my gigabeat F a few days ago 23.24.40 # where can i find unsupported builds for the gigabeat? i looked at the forums but there was only 2 23.24.57 Quit plasticfir (Client Quit) 23.25.02 Join plasticfir [0] (n=1812bbac@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5bde6e10b7330a4c) 23.25.14 # plasticfir: we dont discuss unsupported builds here...as you can probably tell, they are...unsupported 23.25.22 # hello? 23.25.33 Quit plasticfir (Client Quit) 23.28.42 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.32.02 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 23.37.58 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3f029@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c67d1a81816934d1) 23.39.15 # Hello. WOuld it be ok to make scroll wheel move the cursor updown in the calculator plugin on sansa e200? (In addition to up/down buttons) 23.40.04 # This would also have the nice effect that you could fully control the cursor with arrow keys in the sim. 23.40.10 Join webguest61 [0] (n=4ab4c9eb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1d7272ce080b0a47) 23.40.20 # i have a question about an ipod 23.40.34 # i have a question about a 5th gen 30gig ipod 23.40.46 # Just ask it. 23.40.54 # hello? 23.40.58 # fml: sounds like agood idea to me :) 23.41.09 # webguest61: is this your question? 23.41.21 # sorry..internets being slow 23.42.05 # i installed rockbox for a friend. it work perfectly and everything. well she somehow managed to delete the ipod firmware. i cannot seem to get it back 23.42.15 # n1s: how would I implement it? Define CALCULATOR_UP2 for e200 and insert #idef CALCULATOR_UP2 in the event loop? 23.42.25 # webguest61: what happens? 23.43.13 # webguest61: Do you mean you don't know how to dual-boot and start the Apple firmware? 23.43.28 # fml: something like that, yes 23.44.33 # the ipod updater wont read it and my itunes wont read it cause its not 7.0 or above. i cannot run itunes 7 for some unknown computer reason 23.44.53 # n1s: ok. He-he, then I'd make scroll wheel not just go up and down but wrap to the next column so that you can reach every button with just the wheel! 23.45.04 # webguest61: can you boot into the original firmware? 23.45.25 # n1s: like the torus mode in reversi. 23.45.43 # i know how to dual boot. she deleted it. i have no idea how. when i try to dual boot it just loops 23.46.10 # fml: might, be nice, I don't have aby device with a wheel so i don't really know what is the nicest way to use one. 23.46.25 # without extra commas... 23.46.39 # * amiconn thinks that the calculator should make better use of screen space 23.46.57 # I.e. do away with "2nd" if all buttons fit on a single screen 23.47.22 # The vkeyboard does this too 23.48.25 # I'll prepare the patch when I get time. Bye! 23.48.29 # webguest61: tried emergency disc mode? 23.48.42 # amiconn: I agree, also it should probably make some light viewport use 23.48.49 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC") 23.50.12 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 23.50.13 # Using the UI font was only one step in making it more usable on displays with small pixels 23.50.19 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.50.35 # Of course, if it makes layouting easier 23.50.46 Quit webguest61 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.50.55 Join webguest68 [0] (n=4ab4c9eb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b511cae58dbe2a0b) 23.51.07 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 23.51.25 # is that holding play and select? yes it goes into disk mode but itunes wont 23.51.31 # read it 23.51.42 # some of the buttons can be removed anyway because all they do is print "Comming soon *_^" in the display (soon is obviously subjective :)) 23.51.51 # webguest68: well, if it's in disc mode you can manually restore the disc layout and firmware. 23.52.37 # check http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore 23.53.19 # need to restart. trying a fresh itunes install 23.53.47 Quit webguest68 (Client Quit) 23.56.24 Join webguest75 [0] (n=4ab4c9eb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5a20e3bc66f7bea4) 23.56.24 # * amiconn thinks those "coming soon" functions should rather be implemented than the buttons removed 23.56.34 # "soon" is overdue now... 23.56.44 # hi im the person with the ipod problem 23.56.53 # any ideas? 23.57.46 # webguest75: we gave you ideas...